Seven Deadly Sins

[leenielou]

The Seven Deadly Sins are:

Pride, Anger, Jealousy, Greed, Sloth, Lust and Gluttony.

Pride This can also be called Vanity. It is described as excessive belief in oneself and abilities.

Anger Also known as wrath, it is told to be manifested in those who spurn love.

Jealousy The desire to either be another, or to desire anothers qualities.

Greed The desire for material wealth and gain.

Sloth Also laziness, the avoiding of physical or spiritual work.

Lust The craving for pleasures of the body.

Gluttony The desire to consume more than is needed.

After seeing the Magnum adverts, I started to wonder about these so-called Deadly Sins. So my questions for you all are;

1) Do we agree that these can be called sins? (Or, for those who do not believe in sin, wrong?)

2) Which of these did you perform today, and in the context that you did, could you class them as wrong? Do you feel guilty because of it?

3) In your opinion, should there be any other sins/wrongs added to the list? Any other human actions that you feel are as bad or worse?

[daniel4hp]

1) Do we agree that these can be called sins?
Yes, I think these can all be considered sins, at least in certain contexts. I see gluttony and lust more specific to individuals who chose to live a "holy" life (ie monks), but we can all be guilty of them.

2) Which of these did you perform today, and in the context that you did, could you class them as wrong? Do you feel guilty because of it?
This is harder... these sins are obviously very general, and I don't remember specific instances of being proud, lazy, etc., but I'm sure I have done some of these today. I tend to feel more guilty for specific sins than these general ones -- these general sins are useful for identifying what is a sin, but I feel more guilty if I do a specific thing.

3) In your opinion, should there be any other sins/wrongs added to the list? Any other human actions that you feel are as bad or worse?
I'm not sure. As I said above, these are broad catagories. One thing that I see as missing is irreverence for God, which I think is a sin. And there are obviously things like murder and stealing that are sins, and which aren't specifically listed here, but which may fall into one of these catagories. This list is more aimed at our motives, rather than our actions, which I think is nice. :shrug:


BTW, I'm sending this over to the Chapel.

[Angora]

1) Do we agree that these can be called sins? (Or, for those who do not believe in sin, wrong?)

No. Except for Sloth those are all feelings, and you can't control how you feel. If you can't control something, you can't be held responsible for it. If you can't be held responsible for it, it can't be right or wrong.

What you can control is how you act, and your actions based on those feelings could be considered right or wrong. But just feeling jealous or lusty or greedy doesn't mean anything.

2) Which of these did you perform today, and in the context that you did, could you class them as wrong? Do you feel guilty because of it?

I don't really keep track... probably anger and pride? No I don't feel bad about it. I didn't do anything I shouldn't have done and I can't control how I feel, so...

3) In your opinion, should there be any other sins/wrongs added to the list? Any other human actions that you feel are as bad or worse?

Behaving in a contradictory way to the way you believe you should behave.

Being irrational.

[LewsTherin]

1) Do we agree that these can be called sins? (Or, for those who do not believe in sin, wrong?
Pride and anger can be both good and bad. Pride in one's hard work is a good thing, where as pride (you think you're better than everyone else) is not. Anger that drives you to make a positive difference can also be good. The rest I would classify as sins, yes.

2) Which of these did you perform today, and in the context that you did, could you class them as wrong? Do you feel guilty because of it?
A few of them, and I did do them in the wrong context, so yes, I would say I feel guilty about it. But I don't dwell on it. I ask forgiveness and go on.

3) In your opinion, should there be any other sins/wrongs added to the list? Any other human actions that you feel are as bad or worse?
Lying, being deceptive.

[leenielou]

I guess I'd better answer my own thread. Sorry that I put it into Knockturn Alley - I was a little tired.

1) Do we agree that these can be called sins? (Or, for those who do not believe in sin, wrong?
I think that in certain contexts they can be called sins. I did not write how they supposedly impeded/ignore Godly teachings, but if you look here (http://deadlysins.com/) then you can see. Perhaps the most serious of offences are sins, but some of them I do see as a little ridiculous e.g. gluttony and sloth.


2) Which of these did you perform today, and in the context that you did, could you class them as wrong? Do you feel guilty because of it?
Well, it's only 08:12 here, so not many so far! But if I chose yesterday, then it would probably be a lot or all of them. They are almost daily occurences. I don't think that I was jealous, but probably all of the rest. I don't really feel guilty because of it, but if it was a specific bad circumstance then I probably would.


3) In your opinion, should there be any other sins/wrongs added to the list? Any other human actions that you feel are as bad or worse?
Like Lewstherin, I thought to myself when writing the thread that lying and deception should be there somewhere. That could be classed as a real sin, unlike eating too much and wanting to sit down instead of do the washing up.

[daniel4hp]

Pride and anger can be both good and bad. Pride in one's hard work is a good thing, where as pride (you think you're better than everyone else) is not. Anger that drives you to make a positive difference can also be good.
Good point. A lot depends on context.

[Benzo]

Pride, Anger, Jealousy, Greed, Sloth, Lust and Gluttony.

Pride This can also be called Vanity. It is described as excessive belief in oneself and abilities.

Anger Also known as wrath, it is told to be manifested in those who spurn love.

Jealousy The desire to either be another, or to desire anothers qualities.

Greed The desire for material wealth and gain.

Sloth Also laziness, the avoiding of physical or spiritual work.

Lust The craving for pleasures of the body.

Gluttony The desire to consume more than is needed.

1) Do we agree that these can be called sins? (Or, for those who do not believe in sin, wrong?)
Yes. When it is a repetitive behavior that keeps you away from having a good health or making someone focussing only on his own little person. We live in a society and if everyone focusses on those behaviors, that won't help the society.

2) Which of these did you perform today, and in the context that you did, could you class them as wrong? Do you feel guilty because of it?
Greed: I wanted to win the lottery
Lust: Sex is so good.
Gluttony: Two pastries and a chocolate bar to start my weekend.
No,I don't feel guilty because it is quite trivial

3) In your opinion, should there be any other sins/wrongs added to the list? Any other human actions that you feel are as bad or worse?
Racism, sexism, murders, rapes, robberies, physical and verbal abuse, wars, slavery, and in a less dramatic category; cheating, lying (sp?), going against his values.

[Silvilocks]

1) Do we agree that these can be called sins? (Or, for those who do not believe in sin, wrong?)

Taken to extremes, anything is wrong. I'd say "extremism" (if there is such a word) should be added to the list. But as LewsTherin said, there's good and bad. Lust isn't wrong if you're talking about a couple in love who can't keep their hands off each other, and no-one will ever make me think it's wrong to skip the housework for the sake of an extra hour in bed on Sunday.

2) Which of these did you perform today, and in the context that you did, could you class them as wrong? Do you feel guilty because of it?

Today, I couldn't say. Over a week, I'd say all of them, with the probable exception of gluttony. In context, I wouldn't say any of them were wrong. And no, it doesn't worry me.

3) In your opinion, should there be any other sins/wrongs added to the list? Any other human actions that you feel are as bad or worse?

Intolerance. Cruelty. Mental sloth - having intelligence and being too lazy to use it. What I'll call negativity - those who can never see any good in the world or the people around them. And deadliest of all right now - interrupting me for the third time in what's supposed to be a quiet half-hour on CoS.

Interesting topic, leenielou. :)

[remusjlupin1980]

The term "7 Deadly Sins" is a misnomer. I've been to Catholic school and I can tell you that these seven are NOT necessarily "sins" in themselves. They are qualities that can LEAD one to sin. One can feel anger, greed, lust, sloth, gluttony, envy and pride but if one does not act on these feelings, they do not become sins. They only BECOME sins if you let those feelings lead you to do bad things.

[Doggy]

The term "7 Deadly Sins" is a misnomer. I've been to Catholic school and I can tell you that these seven are NOT necessarily "sins" in themselves. They are qualities that can LEAD one to sin. One can feel anger, greed, lust, sloth, gluttony, envy and pride but if one does not act on these feelings, they do not become sins. They only BECOME sins if you let those feelings lead you to do bad things.

Exactly. If no one ever felt these seven feelings; the world would probably be a lot better plaace today, since a lot of people wouldn't have done the things they have done. Most people in this world (myself included) have felt these sins; but a lot of people (again, myself included) haven't robbed a bank or killed someone because of it.

Even though I've probably lied and stuff because of it.

So yes; I think you could classify them the seven deadly sins.

[daniel4hp]

The term "7 Deadly Sins" is a misnomer. I've been to Catholic school and I can tell you that these seven are NOT necessarily "sins" in themselves. They are qualities that can LEAD one to sin. One can feel anger, greed, lust, sloth, gluttony, envy and pride but if one does not act on these feelings, they do not become sins. They only BECOME sins if you let those feelings lead you to do bad things.
Very good point. These are more the motives behind sins than the sins themselves. Things like lying, stealing, and murder are sins, but the reasons for these sins can be summed up in the "7 Deadly Sins." I think to often we concentrate on what we do, and not why we do it, so in that sense, these are very applicable. But, in and of themselves, they aren't sins; they are just the things that motivate us to sin.

[JofpGallagher]

1) Do we agree that these can be called sins? (Or, for those who do not believe in sin, wrong?
Pride and anger can be both good and bad. Pride in one's hard work is a good thing, where as pride (you think you're better than everyone else) is not.

I believe there is a part in the Bible that affirms that anything that we, as humans, do on this planet is “nothing” for God (I guess the word is “rubbish” since in the Spanish version rubbish is the closest word I could fine for the word “inmundicias”, but I decided just to put “nothing”). I believe this part of the Bible just wants to state that God is most important than anything we could do on this planet. So whether or not with your “hard-work” you feel proud of yourself that means nothing to God, since what matters is that you put God for over everything, even for whatever we do with our honest work on our terrestrial life.
I remember I had a harsh discussion with my religion teacher (A nun), because I couldn’t understand that, and I never understood it. I disagreed with her, and I’m with LewisTherin. If we do good materials or not materials things on this planet we can please God, and be proud of that.

Now the questions by leenielou

1) Do we agree that these can be called sins? (Or, for those who do not believe in sin, wrong?)

Sin is just a human word. I consider the Seven Sins as wrongdoings or sins (I make not difference) on the eyes of God. I have my reserves with Gluttony. Imagine this picture: a mother who knows that her son is stuffed. He ate very well. This kid is really a good boy, but as all kid he love sweets (Who does not?). In addition, her son just handed in his grade report from school with high grades. He asked her mother to allow him to have another big piece of that delicious strawberry pie. Mother, very pleased for her son’s performance in school say yes.
Is that a sin? Who sinned? The mother or the son?
I, honestly don’t see anything wrong in that. It’s a pretty normal picture that occurs a lot in real life. It happened to me and my brothers several times.

Another one I have a little bit of reserve depending upon my point of view is Envy. Ambition could be understood as envy. But I’m a bit confused with my thoughts here. Imagine this: somebody in this forum admires Emma Watson. That person is a fan!…this person says, I want to be like her. To be a successful actress. At the end this person does all the hard work necessary to achieve a dream. What was that feeling that person had at the beginning? Admiration? Ambition? Envy? I really don’t know. They can overlapped a little bit. Sometimes a little of envy can drive people to do grandiose things.

Also, I have my reserves with Pride for the same reasons exposed by LewisTherin.

2) Which of these did you perform today, and in the context that you did, could you class them as wrong? Do you feel guilty because of it?

I don’t know. Maybe all of them at some degree. One of the hardest thing in this world is to judge. What is consider lust? I saw a pretty good looking girl walking on the street. I kept my eyes maybe more than normal. She is really beautiful, and I was just watching her as I could watch a beautiful Waterfall or a nice Picasso. Is that lust? For some it may be, for others like me it is not. :shrug:


3) In your opinion, should there be any other sins/wrongs added to the list? Any other human actions that you feel are as bad or worse?[/B]

Seven Sins, Eight Sins, Twelve Sins, I really don’t bother with the numeration. Killing is a horrible act. So, let’s just add it as the number 8? Which number should we give to raping? I believe there are more sins or wrongdoings than the Seven Sins.

[Sherlock Holmes]

This may be of some help in our discussion of sin, and especially, the "Seven Deadly Sins." My comments are in italics.

(See this site (http://atheism.about.com/library/glossary/western/bldef_sevendeadlysins.htm) for more detail. I also included a link to the definition of each sin from the Catholic Encyclopedia (http://www.newadvent.org/).)

In Christian tradition, those sins which have the most serious impact on spiritual development have been classified as "deadly sins." Which sins qualify for this category have varied - Christian theologians have developed different lists of the most serious sins which people might commit. John Cassian offered one of the first lists, and he came up with eight: gluttony, fornication, avarice, anger, dejection (tristitia), sloth (accedia), vainglory and pride.

Pride, also sometimes known as Vanity, is simply the excessive belief in your own abilities. Pride is the excessive love of one's own excellence. (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12405a.htm)

Envy, (synonomous with jealousy) the second sin, is an unacceptable desire to possess what others possess - this can include material objects (like cars) but it can also include character traits, like a positive outlook on life or patience. It is defined to be a sorrow which one entertains at another's well-being. (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08326b.htm)

Gluttony has traditionally been associated simply with eating too much, but it has a broader connotation and in fact includes trying to consume more of anything than you actually need, food included. ("An inordinate desire," said Thomas Aquinas). It is the excessive indulgence in food and drink. (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06590a.htm)

Lust, one of the more popular of the deadly sins, involves the desire to experience physical, sensual pleasures (not just those which are sexual in nature, although they are among the more common). General desire for physical pleasures is considered sinful because it causes one to ignore the more important spiritual needs and commandments. The inordinate craving for, or indulgence of, the carnal pleasure which is experienced in the human organs of generation. (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09438a.htm)

Anger, the fifth deadly sin, is also known as Wrath. This simply involves rejecting the Love and Patience, we are supposed to feel for others and opting instead for more violent or hateful interactions. The desire of vengeance. (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01489a.htm)

Greed, also known as Avarice, involves the desire for material or monetary gain. This is similar to Gluttony, except that in this case mere gain, rather than consumption, is the point. Avarice (from Lat. avarus, "greedy"; "to crave") is the inordinate love for riches. (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02148b.htm)

The final sin, Sloth, is the most misunderstood. It is often regarded simply as laziness, but it is more accurately translated as apathy. When a person is apathetic, they no longer really care about doing their duty to others or to God, causing them to ignore their spiritual well-being. In general it means disinclination to labour or exertion (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14057c.htm) (especially the work necessary for some spiritual good).

Keep in mind, by the way, that the idea of "Seven Deadly Sins", as apart from other sins, is mostly a Catholic doctrine and not necessarily held, or at least not emphasized, by Protestants or the Orthodox church.

[firebolt2000]

The one thing that has always really gotten to me about the Seven Deadly Sins is that it tends to frown down upon people who have committed them and that so many religious people that I have met will not talk to me or others who have committed one of the sins. Feelings of jealousy and lust and gluttony, etc. are natural feelings in everyone. It is a part of life that we have to accept. I don't think that any one of us can say that we haven't felt these feelings before, and don't be upset if you did, because it is natural, and God probably wanted us to feel some of these feelings, because if we did we would be perfect, and no one is 100% perfect.

[IcyIcicles]

1) Do we agree that these can be called sins? (Or, for those who do not believe in sin, wrong?)
All these actions are part of the human nature, so I do not think they are sins. Although they might be wrong, it really depends on the level how it is "executed" at. At some point, I think everyone commits it in some way even if they don't notice it. I dont believe that no one has gotten angry before, even Christians.

2) Which of these did you perform today, and in the context that you did, could you class them as wrong? Do you feel guilty because of it?
Pride I guess? I don't really know...like who wouldn't be happy and proud of themselves after they win some game? And then I guess greed? (C'mon! It's boxing day! Just a few more hours before the stores open...hehehe) Well these actions, they don't really hurt anyone so I don't feel guilty. I consider these actions to be pretty normal too....

3) In your opinion, should there be any other sins/wrongs added to the list? Any other human actions that you feel are as bad or worse?
I think intendingly hurting someone or themselves would be bad, but this action might be caused by the "sins" mentioned above...

[Amadeus]

1) Do we agree that these can be called sins? (Or, for those who do not believe in sin, wrong?)
Hmm.. They are sins if you were to strictly follow the bible. How I see it is just natural feelings that we tend to develop because we are just humans..

2) Which of these did you perform today, and in the context that you did, could you class them as wrong? Do you feel guilty because of it?
I don't know... Maybe I did but I can't really think of anything in particular.

3) In your opinion, should there be any other sins/wrongs added to the list? Any other human actions that you feel are as bad or worse?
Well, what gives humans right to define sins and wrongs? It is just merely perspective, not a defined, absolute rule that everyone must follow.

[Liselle]

Pride, Anger, Jealousy, Greed, Sloth, Lust and Gluttony.

1) Do we agree that these can be called sins? (Or, for those who do not believe in sin, wrong?)
I'm not sure if they can be all called sins as many of them seem to be "norms" of Human behaviour, while we were all created in God's image we are flawed creatures.....I think that Jealousy, Lust and Gluttony are the most "severe" personally

2) Which of these did you perform today, and in the context that you did, could you class them as wrong? Do you feel guilty because of it?
Hmm its early morning so I've not comitted any of them just yet as far as I know.....I do always feel guilty when I'm jealous, I know I'm lucky and some part of my always knows that I'm just being greedy and self serving when I'm jealous. I seem to be in a permanent state of Sloth :p....is it the same thing as being lazy?? Sometimes I think its hard to tell exactly what the sins exactly mean on a day to day basis *shrugs*

3) In your opinion, should there be any other sins/wrongs added to the list? Any other human actions that you feel are as bad or worse?
I think its one thing to be congnisant of the sins but its worse to act on them, just because you feel lustful it doesn't mean you have to go out and act on it, the same with jealousy and the others

[Hermywormy]

1) Do we agree that these can be called sins? (Or, for those who do not believe in sin, wrong?)
Yeah, I guess in a way.

2) Which of these did you perform today, and in the context that you did, could you class them as wrong? Do you feel guilty because of it?

sloth, and jealousy

3) In your opinion, should there be any other sins/wrongs added to the list? Any other human actions that you feel are as bad or worse?
i dunno.

[Tane]

The Seven Deadly Sins are:

Pride, Anger, Jealousy, Greed, Sloth, Lust and Gluttony.

Pride This can also be called Vanity. It is described as excessive belief in oneself and abilities.

Anger Also known as wrath, it is told to be manifested in those who spurn love.

Jealousy The desire to either be another, or to desire anothers qualities.

Greed The desire for material wealth and gain.

Sloth Also laziness, the avoiding of physical or spiritual work.

Lust The craving for pleasures of the body.

Gluttony The desire to consume more than is needed.

1) Do we agree that these can be called sins? (Or, for those who do not believe in sin, wrong?)

There not really specific enough to be classed as sins of today but I guess they are in excessive amounts, though can a sin come out of someone’s desire to overcome pain. For example is someone being glutton if they eat many sweets things because it eases there suffering by distracting them from there pain?

2) Which of these did you perform today, and in the context that you did, could you class them as wrong? Do you feel guilty because of it?

Well not pride, I don't have enough confidence in myself to write a positive UCAS/NMAS profile about myself, apparently I did not sell myself at all.

I don't know which I fall into, I guess if you class hating yourself for bad things might come under one of the categories but it is difficult to say because I am normally full of regret and remorse over the bad things I do to the ones I care about or love. So it can't be out of anger because love is not rejected as it is this emotion that causes most of my pain.

I feel very guilty indeed though to the point of wanting to be punished at times.

3) In your opinion, should there be any other sins/wrongs added to the list? Any other human actions that you feel are as bad or worse?

I can not think of any others.

[LuvHP_001]

What a load of :censored:! Any feeling are natural and so are jealousy,lust and the other that were listed. I'm wondering where are these sins are from...

Edit: I'll go over these again:

Pride This can also be called Vanity. It is described as excessive belief in oneself and abilities.

I feel that pride is not a bad thing at all. I WISH I had pride rather than my low self-esteem. Too much of pride or even anything can be bad.

Anger Also known as wrath, it is told to be manifested in those who spurn love.

Anger is VERY natural and it is very common is this world because like for example I have lots of anger towards this world full of hate,tension,and suffering. It's impossible to have no anger but rather all love. It's just not going to happen.


Jealousy The desire to either be another, or to desire anothers qualities.

Jealousy isn't a good thing,I agree,but it isn't a SIN. Poor people are jealous of others,is that bad? NO,it's NORMAL.

Greed The desire for material wealth and gain.

In this case I think that it is a very bad thing but again,not a SIN.

Sloth Also laziness, the avoiding of physical or spiritual work.

You're kidding,right? :huh: :huh: It's a not healthy thing to be lazy but to call it a SIN??!!

Lust The craving for pleasures of the body.

Oy! :rolleyes: I PERSONALLY believe that lust isn't a good thing at all but how many of you adults haven't felt it sometime in your life?

Gluttony The desire to consume more than is needed.
Like I said,it's a very bad thing indeed but it's common,and you can't avoid or do anything about it.

Sin is a very strong word and should be used carefully. None of these are sins but some ARE really bad. They are very natural and you can't avoid them.

[GryffindorGr]

1) Do we agree that these can be called sins? (Or, for those who do not believe in sin, wrong?)

Of course. It's a good label for it. We could also just call it very bad deeds that people should avoid.

2) Which of these did you perform today, and in the context that you did, could you class them as wrong? Do you feel guilty because of it?

I feel like I'm going to confess or something. Perhaps gluttony is my worst sin. I do tend to overindulge. Not on food but maybe overbuying(?)
Yes, I always feel guilty if I buy more than what I need, or bite off more than I chew kind of deal. So I try and compensate it by giving things away too.
(maybe this is greed then later I give it away?)

3) In your opinion, should there be any other sins/wrongs added to the list? Any other human actions that you feel are as bad or worse?

That pretty much covers a lot! And these guys who brought out the 7 deadly sins in a categorized fashion, by analzying human behaviors and their darkest sides did a very thorough examination.

[Fairyliquid]

If there is no sin....there is not virtue.

If everything were sin...how would we know it was not virtue?
If everything was virtue....how would we know it was not sin?
Who said it was sin?
who said it was virtue?
how do we know for sure its true?
do you believe everything you read in the bible?

[busy91]

1) Do we agree that these can be called sins? (Or, for those who do not believe in sin, wrong?)
Well ya'll know I'm odd, but I don't belive in sin, not the way religion teaches it.
People classify these as sins, I see them as human nature.

2) Which of these did you perform today, and in the context that you did, could you class them as wrong? Do you feel guilty because of it?
Hah! I do NO WRONG! Just kidding.
I am the queen of Sloth
I have kids, so Anger is on top of the list.
And that is it for today, well it is only 10:40am!

3) In your opinion, should there be any other sins/wrongs added to the list? Any other human actions that you feel are as bad or worse?

Well I think the rest of the evil is covered in the TEN, so I'm sure every bad thing that is in the world is covered between these two.

[Asrana]

I don't think the "Seven Deadly Sins" are sins but emotions that lead to sin.

[MoodyHarry]

Gluttony The desire to consume more than is needed.Hmm....It's interesting that gluttony can be considered a 'sin' when gluttony is a trait that humans are hardwired with for survival. Thousands to tens of thousands of years ago, homo sapiens and company did not have a grocery store to go buy food at. When one could get and eat food, they ate it and lots of it. No telling where the next meal would come from.
This is one reason many humans are obese today. The survival instinct in humans that tells us to eat and eat (for survival) works too well in our society of ever-available food. We don't know when to stop because our instincts are telling us otherwise.

The Seven Deadly Sins in my view was told to people most likely to prevent greediness of one individual. Think about it. In a civilized society a couple thousand years ago, again food is not plentiful. Parents would tell their kids that gluttony is a 'sin', effectively scaring the kids from taking more than there share and depleting necessary food stores.
The Deadly Sins were just a way to teach others right and wrong, eventually becoming entrenched into the societial belief system.