M-13 - Fake IDs

[Mireille]

I read an article recently that talked about the use of fake ids to get into bars. It was rather disturbing to hear how many teenagers, under the age of 21 in the USA, use fake ids to get surved alcohol. I don't remember the percentage, but I do know that it sounded high.

However, there has been a crack down on using them. Police are now, on occation, going into well known bars that college students like to party and drink. The police then go around asking for idenification and can somehow know what is fake and what is not. This new method of busting underage drinkers has been effective from the sound of the article.

So, I ask everyone, is it worth getting a fake id?

If yes, then why?

And have you ever used or have a fake ID?

[Llopin]

Well, I think it's kind of right to affirm most teenagers are too impulsive and don't think twice about their actions, and getting fake IDs is a good example. Teens are vulnerable, and even if they seem in fact rather ingenuous. Of course, to be honest, I don't think it's right to get a fake ID, the laws are not to be broken. Getting fake IDs and therefore getting into a dangerous situation isn't worth even trying, specially when concerning age problems: the teens will grow up and eventually be able to get into the (slightly overrated) bars.

But of course, I guess teens have always illegal thoughs, getting a fake ID and getting inside a bar is a lot of fun, it's revolutionary, it's cool, until you get caught. I haven't experienced this, nor I want to. Besides, teens must be busted for a thing as sad (and stupid) as alcohol. They're definetively too impatient...

[::Revolutionary::]

I can see why kids would want to get a fake ID to drink, because it's cool:rolleyes:

if i've ever had a fake ID? Nooo...Kids can drink from the age of 15 in Denmark

[NiCk RiDdLe]

wow 15 in denmark. crazy. well i'm a teenager and i've never thought about using a fake id. i mean what if you get caught? i'm no goody good either but, it's not a good thing to do. And if you get caught, there are numerous accounts of crime you can get charged with.

[Animagi rock!]

Here in Switzerland you can drink beer at 16 and everything else at 18, so there's not as large a problem with fake IDs. That doesn't mean that noone drinks before they're 16, though. You just don't do it in bars. You go to a private party or get an older friend to buy it for you at a store.

The point is, however hard you try, the teens will start drinking when they want to and not when you want them to, whether it's legal or not.
I personally never had the desire to get drunk, not even after I was allowed to, so I've never needed a fake ID. Had I wanted to, however, I don't see what could have stopped me.

[triki1988]

Well, here, it seems to be a huge problem. In Europe, since leagal drinking ages are lower and they don't make a big deal out of it, not as much people go get drunk at clubs to look "cool".

Would I ever use a fake I.D? Nope. I like to abide by the rules.
Besides, my aunt made me take sip of wine during Christmas eve a couple of years ago and it made me feel queasy and I felt like I was going to vomit all over myself . Then, my uncle cooked some salmon one day for us and my dad gave me some white wine to try it with- it tasted horrible.

[ssimons]

Fake ID's...I don't understand why people use them, it's so stupid. I have a lot of friends who have them, and I know that a couple of them have gotten caught, and it's a pretty hefty fine...I don't remember what it is though. But I don't understand why they don't have their older friends by it for them, which they do sometimes anyway...crazy.

[NYCwitch920]

It's not the fact that teenagers are getting fake ID's but the fact that they're getting substances that they usually wouldn't get from their friends. I've seen people in my school bring in alcohol into school and mix it with soda. They get their older siblings to buy it for them. Fake ID's are an even worse thing to do. I would never bring a fake ID to any club because I know I would probably get caught and I'm not that eager to get drunk and vomit all over myself. I'd rather not do that.

[bellatrix669]

I have never used a fake ID, as I don't think that I'd like the bar scene. And as far as purchasing alcohol goes, on a college campus, it's not hard to find people over 21 who are willing to buy it for you. I do, however, admit to engaging in underage drinking, one time to the point of physical illness.

[harp230]

I don't see much purpose to fake ids really. i have never known anyone to have one. I dont know if it is just my experience or the area i live in, but getting what you want regardless of you age is not too much of a problem. There is either someone who will buy for you, you know someone so they let you in to a bar anyway, or they just dont care either way.

[TMRiddle_Peeler]

I think that fake IDs ar a reaction to the idiotically high drinking age in North America. If a kid wants to drink, it's not really that hard to get liquor (though it's a fair pain in the arse if you're 15 or younger). But to the majority of teenagers I know, there's not really anything morally wrong with underage drinking.

The problem here is that it leads to a disrespect of the Law. The same thing goes for Marijuana law. When kids (or anyone, really) fail to see the efficacy of a law, they'll break it. If it's a dumb law it gets broken. And when that happens, other laws lose some of their potency. If you're a 16-year-old and your older sibling buys you and your friends alcohol, or if you're 18 and you use your friend's ID to go clubbing, you are now a criminal. That makes breaking other laws less of a leap.

My personal complaint on this is that it's a ruddy pain to get ahold of a permanent and convincing fake ID around here, so I have to wait another two months 'till I'm 19 :evil: .

But really, if kids are going to drink, they're going to drink. I say let 'em into bars at 15 and have done with it.

[tomluva9]

I have to say that my cousin has bought a fake ID but the only reason was because my dad's 50th was held in a bar, she wasn't going to drink she'd never do that, she just wanted to be at my dad's party....
but she went to all that trouble for nothing, they let me in and I was 14 at the time :lol:

Neways in answer to the questions I don't think it's worth it(even with my cousin :lol: ), and I have never used a fake ID myself and never want to. If your stupid enough to waste your money on a fake ID to underage drink then you don't deserve to be able to drink.

[Dark Fallen Pride]

is it worth getting a fake id?
No not really, anyone can pretty much get beer for free around here...
although they really are starting to crack down on teen drinking, so maybe everyone will start getting a fake id...

And have you ever used or have a fake ID?
No, I don't drink

[Aranel]

Fake ID's aren't a problem in my area, I live in a rural area and there are basically no clubs, the real problem here is drunken parties with large amounts of gate crashers.
But I think they are problem when you get closer to Sydney.
The drinking age here is 18. I don't see the point of fake ID's, but then again, I don't like alcohol at all...

[haycheng]

Fake ID has always been a problem in US. Many college kids go to drain with a fake ID. Some of them simply ask the older friends to buy them beer. It is indeed a problem as it is against the law. Moreover, it seem Americans are lack of self-control about how much they drink. When I get out on Sat morning and walk to the library, I can see beer can everywhere. I can also see broken glass.

I never have a fake ID personally, as I never drink. I have not ever drink ever after I am old enough. I just do not see why you want to drink, especially beer.

[Laufa]

Fake ID has always been a problem in US. Many college kids go to drain with a fake ID. Some of them simply ask the older friends to buy them beer. It is indeed a problem as it is against the law. Moreover, it seem Americans are lack of self-control about how much they drink. When I get out on Sat morning and walk to the library, I can see beer can everywhere. I can also see broken glass.

I never have a fake ID personally, as I never drink. I have not ever drink ever after I am old enough. I just do not see why you want to drink, especially beer.


See, that's the whole thing! Fake ID's are common in the US, where the drinking age is 21, and here in Iceland almost every girl I know has one, and a few guys..the drinking age is 20. If the drinking age was lower, say, 18 (when you are legally an adult here) hell, I'd wait to get into bars and clubs..I guess most people would.
Good for you not to drink :) I don't like beer myself, the taste makes me feel ill :sigh: But I drink the stronger stuff, guess I'm a coctail maker at heart :lol:

Anyhow, back on subject; fake ID's will without a doubt be a problem for a longer time, will the government not realize that we do not need them to decide when we should drink, but us when we are legally adults..(I'm speaking for Iceland now, how old is that age in the US? :) )

Love,
Eyrún

[Mireille]

The age when people are no longer minors is 18 in the USA. This means that they are now adults, but cannot drink until 21. It's kind of backward if you ask me.

For this reason, I think that is why Fake IDs are a problem. I've never used one myself or have drunk but I do know people who have. It's the thing to do, or so they think so. I personally have decided never to drink. It's just something I don't believe in.

I do know that if you are caught with a fake ID the price is pricey. It could even get you jail time. It just depends.

[PrtVeela]

My friends went down to my other friends (confusing...but try and follow ;) ), college and they got fake id's so they could go to the bar, where my friend proceeded to get smashed, start crying get kicked out of the bar, and tell drunken confessions.

I have also decided to never get drunk, I've drank before, no big whoop. Personally I'm quite afriad of the person I'd become, I'd probably tell my friends how I really feel about them, ;). Either that or have lots and lots of permiscious sex ;).

[haycheng]

Well, to me drinking is a medical concern. I do not want to die because of drinking. There are enough toxic that I take in by eating normal meal, I do not want to add another thing to the list.

Fake ID always link to drinking or bar. I do not see the problem of drinking, personally. However, Americans certainly have a weird way to drink, especially the youngers. Most of them do not stop until they are drunk. It is evidented by their leftover around the campus....

[Laufa]

Well, to me drinking is a medical concern. I do not want to die because of drinking. There are enough toxic that I take in by eating normal meal, I do not want to add another thing to the list.

Fake ID always link to drinking or bar. I do not see the problem of drinking, personally. However, Americans certainly have a weird way to drink, especially the youngers. Most of them do not stop until they are drunk. It is evidented by their leftover around the campus....


Exactamundo! It's the same here! Because of the high drinking age, people of the country are not allowed to set up a "drinking-culture" where they learn to treat alcohol with care, and not just use to get hammered, but because they enjoy good wines and beer!
Luckily, the news have just gotten through that in the year 2005, 18 year olds and upwards will be able to buy beer and light wines here in Iceland :) I will be 18 then! Yippeeee! ;)

Love,
Eyrún

[bellatrix669]

Since my consumption of alcohol depends on the benevolence of others, I generally drink flavored vodka mixed with juice. But the one thing I will not touch is beer; I hate the mere smell of it. But I'm really responsible with my drinking and only drink because of the feeling of relaxation I get. (NOTE: This is NOT a promo for underage drinking; this is only my opinion.)

[Snowangel]

I'm now 25, so fake ids are not an issue for me. But, when I was underage (here the drinking age is 19), I was a goody-goody and would never have tried to go out to clubs. None of my friends were into it and it would have invovled a lot of lying to my parents and such. It would have been a lot of trouble just to get alcohol. Now that I can drink legally, I still don't drink a whole lot. I just don't see the mass appeal of getting drunk. As for many kids, they tend to want to do what they know they're not allowed to. Hence the abundance of fake ids.

[haycheng]

I seriously do not understand the Amercia college students, ever I am one of them. While many do not drink, many do drink. Most of them do not just drink, they drink until they are drunk. I wonder why people ever want to get drunk. It must be a very painful experience, just by their leftover in the next morning.

[Mireille]

I too am a college student and I read something somewhere on campus that there are two types of students. One parties at any chance they can and the other never goes to a party while they are enrolled. I thought that was amazing. Although it's hard to prove.

I know the parties around my campus are easily accessable for anyone. I don't know if they just surve you or not, but I think they do. It's just the bars that you need an ID to get into.

I found it interesting that the punishment varies from state to state. One state will only fine the individual caught with a fake ID while another state has the individual caught serve jail time.

[MadMagic]

I only have one more year until I am twenty-one and at the moment I can't see myself getting a fake id. Expecially not just to go to a bar to drink. I am way too paranoid about getting caught ever to get a fake id. It seems like everyone has one though (ok not everyone). But tons of underage people I know have them and go to bars regularly. Hopefully I will be able to contain my overwhelming desire to become a bar person until my 21st birthday. :p


Although, my brother is in a band and they might start playing at bars. So if he does, then I think I would have to get a fake id so I could see my brother play. Maybe he can sneak me in the back door somehow and I can avoid the whole fake id business.

[Falchman]

I had a fake ID, well i made one myself cos i used to work in LegoLand in windsor :), and u could make ID badges which had your passport photo on, and ur name and age, and ur employee number on it 2, if the dude who made them in the office like ya :D

Of course a lot of people did this, and the local clubs and bars, front room, chicagos and liquid called legoland and told them what was happening.

Now u cant use them :p but i dont need 2 anymore cos i am 18.

but morally if u think u are old enough an mature enough to go out binge drinking go ahead.
I know a few people who are of age and are as mature as my 12 year old brother, and go out drinking 4+ nights a week getting bladdered etc.

[FreyaCrescent]

Up until recently near where I live, there was no need for IDs, fake or otherwise. You could just be allowed into clubs if you looked about the right age. But now clubs in towns have really started to clamp down on underage drinking, and practically everywhere is ID-only. In the UK the legal age for alcohol is 18, and I've known people as young as 14 go down town into bars and get drunk off their arse. Getting absolutely lashed has never really appealed to me, I think it's a pretty daft way to behave at whatever age.

I certainly don't agree with the use of fake ID's. Governments set a legal age at which they believe a person should be mature enough to drink, and I agree with that. If you get caught with a fake ID (or even, where I live, if you're caught without ID and you're underage), then the consequences for both yourself and your parents are dire. Fines, criminal charges and the works. I have never, and would never, use one. I just wouldn't like to take that risk.

[Falchman]

FreyaCrescent
TBH i get lashed with my mates every so often, its a fun way to let off steam and have a joke. I can never go out to a bar and drink a pint and have a chat with my mates, cos they are out to get bladdered like i am :).

[FreyaCrescent]

FreyaCrescent
TBH i get lashed with my mates every so often, its a fun way to let off steam and have a joke. I can never go out to a bar and drink a pint and have a chat with my mates, cos they are out to get bladdered like i am :).
I'm not saying that I don't like to have a good time - I'm not a Fun Fascist. I wasn't criticising people who go out getting rat arsed with their mates All I was saying is that I personally don't enjoy drinking so much that I'm keeling over. Not only because I'm underage, but also because I don't find a permanent hangover hilarious.

[Falchman]

I'm not saying that I don't like to have a good time - I'm not a Fun Fascist. All I was saying is that I personally don't enjoy drinking so much that I'm keeling over. Not only because I'm underage, but also because I don't find a permanent hangover hilarious.
nice use of aliteration :)
I like drinking, u loose all inhabitions, and have a great time doing it. I never really get a hangover... if u drink water before u go to sleep, u wake up without a hangover cos u are not dehidrated (sP).

[Mireille]

Just a reminder that this thread isn't about getting drunk and hangovers. It's about fake ids and their use. Just trying to stay on topic here.

[::Revolutionary::]

Just a reminder that this thread isn't about getting drunk and hangovers. It's about fake ids and their use. Just trying to stay on topic here.



<teen accent>Dude....Last night, I was like soooooo hammered....Dude...I have such a hangover</teen accent>;)

[haycheng]

Just a reminder that this thread isn't about getting drunk and hangovers. It's about fake ids and their use. Just trying to stay on topic here.

While I understand what you mean, the reality is that fake IDs and drinking are inseperatable. While Fake ID can get you other than drink or get you in a bar, most people use them for such purpose.

[Mireille]

What I was trying to do was stop the thread from becoming a "I've gotten drunk so many times" thread. The rating M-13 wouldn't be the correct rating if it did turn into that. That's all I was trying to stop.

[haycheng]

What I was trying to do was stop the thread from becoming a "I've gotten drunk so many times" thread. The rating M-13 wouldn't be the correct rating if it did turn into that. That's all I was trying to stop.
lol, I have to agree. I am wonder what else an adult can do legally other than drinking though? smoking?

[dumbleedore]

Legal age here is 18 and I turned 18 in February. I'm in a small town and fake ID's aren't really needed- it is incredibly easy to sneak into the nightclubs and bars here. The local nightclub got busted recently with about twenty or so 16 years olds who'd gotten in- they now three times check ID's.

Someone I know made a fake ID themselves which was pretty convincing- it worked on me, I thought it was a typo on their license that they'd discovered! They were going to try it out, but they decided the risk wasn't worth it, especially when we didn't know what the implications would be.

I was never tempted into getting one though- my sister used to pester me to find some way, but I decided to be good and wait. Doesn't mean that I didn't induldge in the habits of people who are of age, I just didn't do it in places that I wasn't allowed.

But it does make you think- why is it that at 17 years, 362 days, 23 hours and 59 minutes you're too young to drink/smoke whatever, yet a minute later you're apparently old enough? :huh:

[Drusilla]

But it does make you think- why is it that at 17 years, 362 days, 23 hours and 59 minutes you're too young to drink/smoke whatever, yet a minute later you're apparently old enough? :huh:

It's weird in India- I lived in Delhi last year, where the legal drinking age is TWENTY-FIVE. And it's completely stupid, because only one of the bars I visited during the year asked me for an ID-I think it was because I had my hair in two braids :blush: . I really don't see the point of an ID in that scenario, because everyone knows we're underage by State law but doesn't do a thing about it. And it's all the more stupid, because for a quarter of the price of your drink in a bar, you can go out and get a good bottle of vodka and drink it in the comfort of your own room-there's no restriction on sale of liquor, only on consumption. Is that stupid, or is that stupid?

[DragonBlk17]

So, I ask everyone, is it worth getting a fake id?
I don't think it's worth it. I mean the parents will find out sooner or later that the child is using alcohol or cigarettes. And if they're going to a club or something.

If yes, then why? N/A

And have you ever used or have a fake ID?
No I haven't. I'm guessing some of my friends have though because I know one kid who smokes outside of our school.

[dumbleedore]

And have you ever used or have a fake ID?
No I haven't. I'm guessing some of my friends have though because I know one kid who smokes outside of our school.

You don't always need a fake ID to do that ;)

[DragonBlk17]

You don't always need a fake ID to do that ;)

You're right! I forgot that they could possibly steal some from their parents who might smoke. Thanks dumbleedore. :)

[grrliz]

So, I ask everyone, is it worth getting a fake id?
Well, it depends what worth you place on underage drinking. It wasn't "worth" it to me because I had no desire to do it.

And have you ever used or have a fake ID? Nope.

In Ontario the legal drinking age is 19, but a lot of bars are now changing their rules and you have to be at least 21 to get it; they're trying to crack down on the number of young people in hopes that it also helps crack down on the number of underage drinkers. Part of the time it depends on where you go. My friends and I went to a club once and brought her younger sister, who was sixteen at the time -- they didn't even bother to check her ID! The crowd was mostly in their late twenties / early thirties, which you'd think would make them suspect a sixteen year old trying to get in, but nope.

[LuvHP_001]

So, I ask everyone, is it worth getting a fake id?
No way. It's stupid because you can get caught and especially now that they have a new method of doing....Come on, just wait until you're old enough,PATIENCE!

And have you ever used or have a fake ID?
No way! :no: :no: :no: :no: :no:

[Wab]

Never had a fake ID but in the days before photo licences in NSW we just borrowed a licence of someone who was legal and used that.

But to re-enforce what has been said before they are probably as common as they seem in the US because of the ludicrously high legal age of 21 which basically means you can vote, die for your country, enter a contract or marry but you can't buy a beer.

Madness.

[PLIMPY]

I have never had a fake id, and I don't really know anyone who does. If any of my friends want liquor their, one of our parents will buy it for us. The only thing our parents care about is that we don't drink and drive, but I don't drink anyway so that isn't really a problem. I am more than happy to be the permanent desiganted driver. Back home, my younger sister and her friends knew places that would sell to minors, so even they didn't bother to get fake ids. Now that I am in college, it really doesn't seem like an issue. You can get into any bar around her, they just like give you a different colored wristband and like an X on your hand. Most of the girls just get a guy to buy for them or something. At one of my friend's school, they actually supply the liquor for on campus parties, and one of my friends who is in a fraternity and actually lives above the "party room", most certainly doens't have any trouble getting alcohol. Not that I am saying these are necessarily good things, but it certainly makes having a fake Id an uneccessary risk. For me, if I can't get in, I don't go, but it really seems like a lot of effort to get something that is, at least here, abundantly available. The drinking age in itself is somewhat silly. It seems so random that you have to wait until you are 21 for something that is not nearly as bad or dangerous as war.

[Ana-Magus]

So, I ask everyone, is it worth getting a fake id?
Well, it depends what worth you place on underage drinking. It wasn't "worth" it to me because I had no desire to do it.

And have you ever used or have a fake ID? Nope.

In Ontario the legal drinking age is 19, but a lot of bars are now changing their rules and you have to be at least 21 to get it; they're trying to crack down on the number of young people in hopes that it also helps crack down on the number of underage drinkers. Part of the time it depends on where you go. My friends and I went to a club once and brought her younger sister, who was sixteen at the time -- they didn't even bother to check her ID! The crowd was mostly in their late twenties / early thirties, which you'd think would make them suspect a sixteen year old trying to get in, but nope.

Oh, Canada!!!! I grew up in Buffalo, NY which is about 15 minutes from the Canadian boarder. We would just cross the boarder into Niagara Falls, Ontario and go to the bars where we could drink at age 19 (with a designated driver, of course). I don't remember wanting to go out to bars bars before that age... we were more into house parties - and even that was far and few between.

I am guilty of a fake ID story... not for my personal use though. I was on the subway with some friends and we found a ID on the subway floor. It looked remarkibly like my boyfriend, and the age was the same as me. Since my boyfriend was a year and a half younger than I am, it was tough when he couldn't hang out in a bar with me and my friends (all 22 at the time). We took the ID and he successfully used it until he was 21. In his defense, he doesn't drink - at all. He just used it so he could hang out with everyone and he was always the designated driver. and I am now married to him :D

Nothing tragic happened when we used this ID... but fake ID's have a tragic potential and I don't recommend it.

[deadpoetjs]

Ahhh, college. What a great time. I don't have a fake ID because I don't feel like shelling out 60 bucks for a good one, when alcohol is always available anyway.

Everyone who said that the drinking age is ludicrously high was absolutely right. 21 is insane. At 18, you're allowed to die for your country, vote, get married, among other things. I mean, seriously, you can get married, but you can't legally drink at you're own wedding.

I'm a Pistons fan and thought it was funny that when they won the NBA championship and were spraying Champaign all over the place that it was possible for the police the come in and arrest Darko Milicic (19) for not being of legal age.

But anyways, fake IDs. Like I said, in college, they're pretty much useless because alcohol is everywhere you turn anyway, so I don't see the point of them.

[caindo]

I'm 18 years old. And to be truthful, I've never really WANTED to go to clubs. For one... I can't dance :lol:. But really. I suppose they're worth the wait? I was invited to go to a club just last weekend, and really had no desire to go. I suppose clubbing is better once youre' 21 and can legally drink and all. But for those who don't/can't drink, there really is no fun to it. It could just be a social "fit in" type of thing. And I've never known anyone that used a fake ID.

[Aoweil]

Is it worth getting a fake id?/If yes, than why?

I don't think "worth it" is the correct way to put it. Kids get fake id's as a way to rebel. It's thrilling to them to "put one over on the system" and to get away with something that they legally shouldn't be doing. Things like alcohol (especially in countries that are very restictive when it comes to drinking ages), are seen as a forbidden fruit. Some parents flip out if their kid has a sip of champaign, which makes it more appealing for some kids to sneak a beer when they can.

The same forbidden fruit analogy goes for night clubs. An age restiction is in place, and kids who want to test and see what they can get away with will try and get into those night clubs. Much like a toddler will test their boundries, so will teens. They don't want to wait until the legal age to do something, and they want to find out what they are missing so they get a fake id.
I suppose those who get a fake id and are never caught will think it's worth it to have a fake id, but I wonder what those who were caught will say?

And have you ever used or have a fake ID?

Nope. Closest thing I have to a fake id is a fake drivers license with Marilyn Monroe's picture and info on it that I bought in a Florida novelty shop. ;)

[Azura's_Heir]

So, I ask everyone, is it worth getting a fake id?
For me I really don't think that it is worth getting a fake ID. Unfortunately I do know other kids who seem to have no problem with getting ID's. :(


And have you ever used or have a fake ID?
Nope, not me. I just really don't see the point in using one. It's not like waiting until your of age is that hard. Besides I really don't see what is so exciting about going to a bar and drinking alcohol. I mean really? I don't have a fake ID either. Unless one counts the fact that I still have all of my school ASB cards from 6th grade on.So not exactly fake as they are still of me, but I could still use one of them to show myself as being younger. I guess. But what would be the fun in passing myself off as being 12/13? Nothing. I don't even know why I still have them except because I am a pack rat who hates to throw things out.

[Nymphadora08]

In Alberta Canada, where I live, the drinking age is 18. I think it is inane when you are considered mature enough to pick the leader of your country and not mature enough to dicide wether or not you can drink. Fake ID's are....worth it. I'm sorry, but I love nightclubs, and dancing, so when my friends started to turn 18 near the end of 2003, I got a fake so a could join them. You don't really need a fake to get alchohol though, there is always someone who can buy it for you, as other people have already said. Anyway, I never really drank that much in the first place, but it can be fun on occasion.

[Tane]

Fake IDs only promote the braking of laws laid down by your country and teaching people the difference between what is acceptable and what is not at a given age is an important role. To encourage people to obtain fake IDs is the same as getting them to break a law and as a result they can end up in court if caught by the authorities.

With me fake IDs was not that much of a problem as I did not start to drink until I was 21 anyway due to the amount of work I had to do. The hangover always put me off and I could not afford to waste days with such illness the following morning.

[Nys]

I've never used a fake I.D, though I did once use someone else's I.D to get into a bar.... I was only about a month being legal age, and I'd never done something like that before. I mean I had indulged in drinking, but not in a public place... i wouldn't advice it, and seriously its not that great being able to drink. I know people who stopped drinking once they turned the legal age, becaues it just didn't seem fun to them anymore, that's just a waste as far as I'm concerned....

[Kimmetje]

So, I ask everyone, is it worth getting a fake id? If yes, then why?

I don't know now, but maybe in a few years I would want one though I don't think I am the kind of person who would do something illegal. I think getting a fake ID is actually like stealing from a candy shop. You want something and you get it illegaly. I think I am actually too goody goody as a person and I don't like bubbles or like Amaretto (of which my dad gave me some) when there is like firework going on inside your mouth, well that's how I felt.

In Holland you need to be 16 to drink and that's like 5 years difference with the USA. Here they did a sort of test and it seems that 46% of the Dutch who are thirteen go out and buy like Bacardi Breezers and other alcohol. I found that rather disturbing as I am thirteen and I would just never do that. But I think the real problem is that they get if from their parents (they steal it from the fridge and like no one finds out about it) or even get it from the supermarket. Kids in Holland are tall sometimes so the person behind the cash check thinks the kid (thirteen) is actually sixteen, that is just really bad...

[GSCY]

Well, the only way this would be an issue for me now is if my son, got one several years down the road. But back in my day, I had a fake ID, I made Fake ID's (pre-internet so you had to get posterboard and copy a license and then photograph it to scale), hell I sold fake ID's. I did indeed get caught and fined for a fake ID too. But after that I got another fake ID that lasted until my twenty-first birthday. So I have run the gamut of experience on this one, but it is experience that is over a decade old. With a nod to hypocrisy, I would tell all the teenagers to wait until college, and begin whatever experimenation you choose then. I do not know how serious the bars are about calling the cops, when I was in high school if they detected a fake ID they just wouldn't let you in. I got arrested for something else and my fine sprung from that search. But if today they are "cracking down" it is true that most bars and parties are not worth the hassle. If you are going to drink do it over at a friends house and don't drive. I am also somewhat wowed by the lack of fake Id's here. I figured after the internet everyone would have one.

[Sturgis Podmore]

I dont have a fake ID and the think that fake ids generally do look fake enough to tell that that its fake. If you are asked for ID and dont have any the worst they are gonna do is that they are going to be turned down!! So what if you do, if i have been turned down into a club or at an off liscence it hasnt stopped me getting drink another way or trying half and hour later when the bouncers have changed! SO i do think fake ID's are worth it but they are not necerssary as most places let you in anyway!

[Nymphadora08]

[QUOTE=Tane]Fake IDs only promote the braking of laws laid down by your country and teaching people the difference between what is acceptable and what is not at a given age is an important role. To encourage people to obtain fake IDs is the same as getting them to break a law and as a result they can end up in court if caught by the authorities.

But this thread asks if you think fake ID's are worth it, and I answered truthfully what I thought, that it was forth it for me, because I enjoy going out with my friends. Just because you have a fake ID doesn't mean you won't be responsible with regards to drinking, it also depends on the person, I think, whether of not they can 'handle the power' or whatever, lol

[~oSiRiS~]

Ahhh, college. What a great time. I don't have a fake ID because I don't feel like shelling out 60 bucks for a good one, when alcohol is always available anyway.
Yeah just about every bar in Detroit will sell to minors anyways.

I had quite a few friends that had Fake ID's back when we were 16 or so. They used to use them to get into the bars and clubs over in Canada. I used one to get into casino Windsor but thats about it. I did not use it to drink but gamble.( not much better in most peoples eyes)

Here in Michigan they added a bunch of different features to our license that was supposed to make it harder to create fake IDs. One of which is a magnetic strip on the back. It allows the clubs and casinos to swipe it in a machine to see how old you are. This made most fake IDs useless.
It also drove up the cost of getting a good fake ID. Nothing a magnetic card reader/writer won't fix.


So, I ask everyone, is it worth getting a fake id? If yes, then why?
For me, yes it was worth making a fake ID. I am not much of a drinker. I never used it for it either. But I am a big fan of dice and a few other casino games. I used it to get into a few different casinos in the are when I was younger. So yes it was worth it. I wasn't getting drunk and wasn't going to hurt anyone.

[Ana-Magus]

Yeah just about every bar in Detroit will sell to minors anyways.

I had quite a few friends that had Fake ID's back when we were 16 or so. They used to use them to get into the bars and clubs over in Canada. I used one to get into casino Windsor but thats about it. I did not use it to drink but gamble.( not much better in most peoples eyes)

Here in Michigan they added a bunch of different features to our license that was supposed to make it harder to create fake IDs. One of which is a magnetic strip on the back. It allows the clubs and casinos to swipe it in a machine to see how old you are. This made most fake IDs useless.
It also drove up the cost of getting a good fake ID. Nothing a magnetic card reader/writer won't fix.

I think it's worse to use a fake ID in a casino. Especially in Canada! If you win over a certain dollar amount in one shot, you have to fill out tax forms. Chances are, a casino official is going to find out if your ID is fake. A bar will just kick you out if they find you using a fake ID, but it's standard casino policy to call the police in those cases. Do you really want to be arrested in a foriegn country? :D

[~oSiRiS~]

At the stakes a 16 year old would be playing, that wouldn't be an issue.
I do not play slots( hugh waste of money). So I wasn't going to hit some progressive pot for $100,000+
Playing $5 minimum dice tables where the most I had on the table at once was $350. I wasn't going to need to sign any tax forms.

But you bring up a good point. Not once did I think of what would of happened if I was caught. That would of been a great phone call home. :elaugh:

[Ana-Magus]

At the stakes a 16 year old would be playing, that wouldn't be an issue.
I do not play slots( hugh waste of money). So I wasn't going to hit some progressive pot for $100,000+
Playing $5 minimum dice tables where the most I had on the table at once was $350. I wasn't going to need to sign any tax forms.

But you bring up a good point. Not once did I think of what would of happened if I was caught. That would of been a great phone call home. :elaugh:

Not every sixteen year old has the confidence to play dice or sit at a table. And I doubt you can honestly tell me that you NEVER put money in a slot machine when you were in a casino underage.... :p :evil:

Like you, I grew up near the Canadian boarder. I know people who have been 'detained' in Canada. They didn't get treated very well. And that was BEFORE they even had access to a phone! :D You lucked out! :tu:

[~oSiRiS~]

Yeah I can imagine. Just getting stopped at the border and being harassed there was enough.

. And I doubt you can honestly tell me that you NEVER put money in a slot machine when you were in a casino underage...
I can honestly tell you that I have NEVER put a single penny into any slot or video poker machine, ever. I learned and researched the games before I went to the casinos(I don't like to lose). Anyhoo, I did not like how the machines are programmed. So I won't play them.


Do any other states have any anti Fake ID things on thier licenses?
i.e. Magnetic strips, holographic icons, watermarks...

[Ana-Magus]

Yeah I can imagine. Just getting stopped at the border and being harassed there was enough.


I can honestly tell you that I have NEVER put a single penny into any slot or video poker machine, ever. I learned and researched the games before I went to the casinos(I don't like to lose). Anyhoo, I did not like how the machines are programmed. So I won't play them.


Do any other states have any anti Fake ID things on thier licenses?
i.e. Magnetic strips, holographic icons, watermarks...

Nevada has holographic icons and this weird barcode on the back (it's not magnetic).

In New York State, the ID's have watermarks and that same barcode. And they are a horrific shade of pink. :D

[Athina]

Here, the age is 19 but I am still 18. As I have said before, I don't drink to get drunk ever. When I go to college soon I'd like to hang out in the pubs with 19 year olds so I'll just borrow my sister's ID card she looks sort of the same as me. :) I don't see anything wrong with it, I am so close to the legal age and I don't intend to get drunk or anything, just to have a good time.

[Bee]

The drinking age here is 19, which is a helluva lot better than 21! The only thing stopping me from getting a fake ID is that I wouldn't want to get caught and fined, although most bouncers will just take the ID away and tell you to go home.

Besides, people think that having a high legal drinking age stops kids from drinking. Hah, as if. There are plenty of older siblings that will be happy to get alcohol for you if you ask nicely. The only thing worth getting a fake ID for is getting into clubs.

[dumbleedore]

Do any other states have any anti Fake ID things on thier licenses?
i.e. Magnetic strips, holographic icons, watermarks...

Here in Australia, in New South Wales at least, we've got a hologram with the outline of Australia, a hologram that covers the whole thing with 'New South Wales' over and over again- plus we've got two photos on it, your signature and all your address details- this is on your drivers license, which is the main form of ID. I've been over ID'd in clubs a few times where they've really scrutinised my license and I've been asked to receit my address details and stuff like that- it's cause in my photo I've got long blonde hair and I've now got short red hair :lol: Plus I've got my glasses on and I don't wear them out.

[Kaonashi]

In most of the clubs here in Chicago, they run your ID through a machine that tells how old you are. If it's a fake, they have a security camera up that takes your pic and you're not allowed in again...EVER. So in that aspect, it really isn't worth it. Sometimes the cops come in for ID checks and the bar/club can get hefty fines or have their liquor licenses suspended or taken away for serving minors, so club ownders really don't want to take that chance anymore.

[~oSiRiS~]

In most of the clubs here in Chicago, they run your ID through a machine that tells how old you are.
They do that around here as well. All the casinos in the area use those. There are ways to get around them. It does stop most people though. Not many kids want to pay the price for a good Fake ID or know how to make thier own.

[Nys]

The Queensland licence system isn't that good... I mean they are VERY fakable... Plus they are easy enough to get it so that the government will give you one... The plus 18 cards aren't' to hard to get either if you have the right friends who are prepared to lie...

But I've been ID'd a fair bit when I was down at uni... the security guards are likely to do things like ask you your address... and to quote your birthdate backwards....

[Spew Member]

I went to the movies with this guy, and when we got there he pulled out his fake student i.d. First of all, I don't know why you would carry a fake student i.d. around, but then when I looked at the picture I noticed that the while my date was hispanic, the guy in the fake i.d. was asian??? I was sure that the woman at the movie theater would notice, but she didn't even glance at the picture. Needless to say this was our only date.

Just thought I'd share :p

*slips out of thread*

[Dementor Dave]

I don't know if this is rare or uncommon, but as an underage college student in America, I've never had the need for a fake ID. If I want to drink, then there are certainly people who have no trouble buying drinks for me. I've always found the fake ID thing ludicrous and unneccesary.

[Adalbert Waffling]

Bleh, it's not that hard to get alchohol around here. And as long as it doesn't go overboard, I don't see a problem. I've had beer before, and whiskey, as well as wine. I like it, but I'm not going to get smashed either.

As for fake IDs, there is no need for one around here, unless you want to vote. hehehe.

[puer]

well I use my fake ID about every night so don't make fun of me. I love buying stuff with it and saying yah i am 21 (shure). But you know the whole idear of useing it to buy achollholl is stupid. I have never used it to buy acholhall maybee becuase i don't need an ID to get achollhall. :(. I mean i would like to be asked can i see your ID. You know when you get old and no one asks for your ID. You get sad.

[Thuldorn]

Either that or have lots and lots of permiscious sex ;).
And there's something wrong with that? :angel: :drool:

[aggroskater]

fake i.d's... well, they're not hard to get a hold of. My cousin (I dont even remember his name. I have so many cousins its amazing) got a hold of one easily. Something about teenage workers in the places where they're made. Anyway, all the police have to do to check for fake i.d's is just to insert the info in the databases that their laptops contain and find out if "you exist".

As for this reason, i have no desire to get a fake I.D. As well, Ive had many types of alcohol, and i must say that they all taste like **** to me, particularly beer. Just another reason why i dont bother with alcohol at all.

The funny part is the fact that having a fake i.d. is illegal doesnt bother me, considering i used to (broke my arm, cant right now) skate all over my city with my friends, and being chased/kicked out by cops was a part of life.

You know when you get old and no one asks for your ID. You get sad.

Hehe, "We card under 40". So, if your not asked for I.D. than you must be OLD. The dread O word. The word that puts so many people through mid-life crisis's...... Be nice. Card your customers.

[Mundungus Fletc]

You know when you get old and no one asks for your ID. You get sad.

Nah. You know you're old when they ask if you're entitled to an old aged pensioner reduction :sad: And ask for an id to prove it

[Silk E Smooth]

Fake IDs are really useless. Enjoy your youth while you have. There will still be plenty of beer for later.

[Meghan73211]

But anyways, fake IDs. Like I said, in college, they're pretty much useless because alcohol is everywhere you turn anyway, so I don't see the point of them.

As a college student myself I agree completely with that statement. There is no need to get a fake id! If you live in a college town clubs, bars, etc don't even id you. Especially if your female! Seriously, bars etc. are always looking for girls to come in because it brings in the guys. Not to mention the fact that most places only require you to be 18 to get in, so all you have to to is find some random person to buy you drinks.

[Hollis]

I don't know if this is rare or uncommon, but as an underage college student in America, I've never had the need for a fake ID. If I want to drink, then there are certainly people who have no trouble buying drinks for me. I've always found the fake ID thing ludicrous and unneccesary.

totally agree with you on this-- in college, it's safe anyhow if you _are_ going to try alcohol,do it in safety with friends. not at some random bar on a fake ID. Bad idea.

the guys I know who work as bouncers, you really really don't want to mess with.

The ONLY reason for trying to use a fake ID was in college when one was trying to see a musician or band that was playing at an over 21 venue. I lent my ID (I was 21) at the time to a very trustworthy friend who looked enough like me to get in with it. Thus, it was a real ID, just different person.

:angel: lol