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Magi
October 20th, 2003, 9:41 pm
One thing in OotP that got me worried:
Harry picking a fight with Dudley.

Dudley almost punched Harry's lights out when he felt threatened enough. Is Harry under the delusion that he's invulnerable? Why on earth would he threaten Dudley like that, when he knows Dudley could beat the crud out of him if he really wanted to?

Dudley is smart enough to know that Harry can't do magic without his wand.

Is Dudley going to break or steal Harry's wand and beat him up, in later books?

morgan le fay
October 20th, 2003, 9:47 pm
Is Dudley going to break or steal Harry's wand and beat him up, in later books?

oh my that is so simple that dudley might be able to do it! i never even considered it! :sigh:

even if harry felt "invulnerable" at the beginning of ootp, i dont think that he still does by the end of the book. so many things happened inbetween. plus if the order pays a visit to privet drive as they warned they might, then dudley wont want to go messing with harry. if he DOES beat up harry, he'll get his comeuppance ;)

Rowena Ravenclaw
October 20th, 2003, 9:53 pm
I doubt Harry goaded Dudley because he was feeling invulnerable--quite the opposite. He was feeling helpless, and desperate for something to happen, so he essentially manufactured a confrontation with Dudley. Doesn't mean Dudley won't retaliate, but I think the fear of the Dementors'll keep him in check for the most part.

NiCk RiDdLe
October 20th, 2003, 10:57 pm
I don't think anything major will happen with "Big D". Oh that's such a hillarious name. If something does, someone will be there to stop it, I hope...

EndlessDreamer
October 20th, 2003, 11:04 pm
I think Harry was hoping that by picking a fight, he would get SOME information from Dumbledore, so the fight would have been like a cry out.

Katy Kedevra
October 20th, 2003, 11:16 pm
Dudley wouldn't touch Harry just because it's possible for Harry to use magic. Besides, Dudley breaks the rules all the time and nothing bad ever happens to him so why couldn't Harry get away with it; he has before.

Besides, in my own little weird way I thought this a sort of touching and bonding moment. You could just see two brothers walking down the street making snide remarks to one another but being brothers all the same and still caring about each other. Even though they aren't brothers and they don't seem to care at all about one another, they were brought up together since each of them can remember and after a while, a bond can form, whether you like it or not.

cleansweep11
October 21st, 2003, 12:51 am
I totally disagree with Katy Kedevra. It was not a bonding moment. Draco and Harry are always doing that("Training for the balet,Potter?"),but you don't seee any bonding between them.Harry felt so insecure he needed somthing. He needed to fill the empty space and he didn't care what Dudley did to him.

Lestrange
October 21st, 2003, 1:14 am
cleansweep, me and my brother make snide remarks to each other all the time. :D

He was trying to taunt Dudley into having a fight with him. I'm pretty sure that somewhere in the text, it reffered to Harry trying to syphon off his frustrations into Dudley, to make him feel angry because Harry himself was feeling angry, frustrated, and helpless.

People usually are controlling and threatening like that when they can't control anything else in their lives; and they want to control and manipulate others to make themselves feel important, I suppose.

Oh, and Dudley did hit Harry while in distress... He couldn't see anything, I think, because of the dementors.

Ecthelion
October 21st, 2003, 1:48 am
What Harry was experiencing the moment he picked a fight with Dudley was recklessness, not pure ignorance and arrogance.

You must remember that at that point, Harry was extremely distressed by numberable undesireable situations going on in his life. All of his luxuries had been taken away from him after a very rough year...and to go into the condition he was in, that's a tough transition to say the least. What we saw was a breaking point, he simply couldn't hold it all in anymore. So naturally, he let some of it go and it just so happens that Dudley was the victim.

Also:
Dudley is smart enough to know that Harry can't do magic without his wand.

Actually he can....remember Aunt Marge? :)

Is Dudley going to break or steal Harry's wand and beat him up, in later books?

First of all, Dudley is a disoriented and misguided child. The way he turned out was not his fault, even though, as always, he had a choice. As people have pointed out, Dudley punched Harry out of fear and panic...possibly the only combination of emotions that could overpower his unnatural fear of magic. Plus, the fact that Harry did save Dudley's life. Whether or not Dudley fully acknowledges this at least subconsciencesly, not verbally, remains to be seen. But if he does, we may see a distinct change in character.

Also, the Dementor attack really was a harrowing and fearful experience for Dudley that he instinctively knows is inextricably connected with magic. It could very well be that he distances himself even further from magic than he already was.....quite possibly including Harry (or in otherwords...blatently ignoring him. After all, it's a hereditary reaction of the Dursely's to do this ;) ).

WeasleyIsOurKing
October 21st, 2003, 1:52 am
Dudley is smart enough to know that Harry can't do magic without his wand.

Well, actually, Harry can do magic without his wand. Does Aunt Marge ring a bell?

True, it was uncontrolled, unconscious magic, but magic nonetheless.

Magi
October 21st, 2003, 1:56 am
Actually he can....remember Aunt Marge?That was accidental, though.

Dudley had pounded Harry many times before Harry went to Hogwarts. The only difference, to Dudley, is that Harry now has a wand. Take away the wand, Harry is as vulnerable to physical attack as any muggle.

quite possibly including Harry (or in otherwords...blatently ignoring himYes, that would be the most likely outcome.

cleansweep11
October 21st, 2003, 2:00 am
Lestrange...........I'm not saying that siblings don't do that to each other.........I know they do. I was just saying that I don't think that it applies in this situation

EndlessDreamer
October 21st, 2003, 3:22 am
But remember when Harry found himself on teh roof of the school once after Dudley's gang had been chasing him? That was before Hogwarts.

And in the book it does say something about Harry wanting to put his frustration into Dudley.

pottergirl33
October 21st, 2003, 4:16 am
i think it was explained in the book why harry did that. "a muscle was twitching in Dudley's jaw. it gave harry enormous satisfaction to know how furious he was making dudley; he felt as though he was siphoning off his own fustration into his cousin, the only outlet he had." :lol:

Spirit
October 21st, 2003, 4:36 am
I think it was both a cry for help and he was being reckless. Kind of like when your having an argument with someone and you say something you later regret. And like pottergirl33 said, it explained it in the book when it said "It gave Harry enormous sastifationto know how furious he was making Dudley; he felt as though he was siphoning off his own fustration into his cousin, the only outlet he had."

FoolOnTheHill
October 21st, 2003, 4:46 am
Harry was getting Dudley angry because that's all he felt he could do. He had to do something, and if he got punched in the face because of it, I don't think he'd really care. But then again, I really think that if the Dementors hadn't come, Dudley would not have punched Harry. He only punched him because he thought Harry was doing magic. I think Harry was otherwise completely safe from a Dudley beating. (Stupid dementors ruin everything.)

Hermy121
October 22nd, 2003, 9:52 pm
I think the main reason Harry picked a fight was because he was all cooped up all summer. I know sometimes when I have been in the house for a while I feel like going out and getting into a fight. And I think he also felt that Dudley was to scared to acially do anything. Rember the only time he hit him was when it was dark and Harry couldnt see. He wouldnt be able to block it or anything. And sometimes Dudley can be such a :censored: do you really blame Harry for threatning him. :no:

Katy Kedevra
October 22nd, 2003, 11:22 pm
This next summer either Dudley's going to get closer to Harry or distance himself enormously, I doubt their relationship will stay the same. It depends whether or not Dudley realizes Harry saved his life. As for hitting Harry, I agree with a bunch of people saying that it was only because it was dark, he was having all happiness sucked out of him and he freaked out and went to what he thought was the source of the prolbem-- Harry.

Tirwen Lupin
October 22nd, 2003, 11:34 pm
I agree with what's been said about Dudley hitting Harry. He panicked at what was happening, and felt it was the only thing he could do.
I don't think he'll smash Harry's wand in the future. He knows that it's the source of most magic, but I don't think he'd have forgotten what happened to Marge. He probably thinks that if he smashes the wand, as easy as it may seem, Harry could still do something to him.
And as for Harry picking a fight with him--Harry was annoyed and bored as well, and recklessly decided to pick a fight. I doubt he was feeling invulnerable.
This next summer either Dudley's going to get closer to Harry or distance himself enormously, I doubt their relationship will stay the same. It depends whether or not Dudley realizes Harry saved his life.
That's very possible. I can imagine Dudley trying to turn a blind eye to the previous summer, but I like your idea.

PlaceboAddict
October 22nd, 2003, 11:57 pm
I'd just like to bring up a comment/question, comment first - Harry will be of age to do magic (judging by Gred and Forge) the next summer, so he'll be able to threaten Dudley with that, anyways. I mean there'd still be a year to go, but he could easily say something along the lines of 'the day I turn 17, you're a dead man' just to freak him out....

Question: Even if you're of age, is it still illegal to do magic in front of magic, even if it's family? I thought it would make sense, but Petunia said that Lily was always going around turning rats in to teacups or something during the summer, so.... thoughts?

Severus15
October 23rd, 2003, 12:15 am
Harry was justed really ticked off and felt like being a jerk(not that I blame him). He was taking out all his feelings on dudley. I have no worries whatsoever that Harry will be in any way threatened by Dudley in future books. Personaly, I'd be more concerned for Dudley. If Harry was in a bad mood in the fifth book, imagine the state he'll be in in the next one what with Sirius dying and all.

Katy Kedevra
October 23rd, 2003, 12:24 am
Question: Even if you're of age, is it still illegal to do magic in front of magic, even if it's family? I thought it would make sense, but Petunia said that Lily was always going around turning rats in to teacups or something during the summer, so.... thoughts?
I think that Fudge added the whole "doing magic in front of a muggle" thing just to make Harry's charges sound even worse and to back up the case against him. If no magic was allowed to be preformed in front of your family because they're muggles then Lily was breaking the law (assuming it also doesn't count that she was most likely underage too) and then there was Arthur who destroyed the Dursley's Living Room and put it back together in front of them. If doing magic in front of the Dursleys is such a crime, then those wizards who erased Aunt Marge's memory should have probably given a little dose to the Dursleys. And then there was Hagrid who preformed magic on Dudley (even though it was probably not allowed even though he could do magic for that period of time). With all this I'd say the Dursleys are included with the magic folk, whether they like it or not!

Jill
October 23rd, 2003, 12:27 am
Harry was justed really ticked off and felt like being a jerk(not that I blame him). He was taking out all his feelings on dudley. I have no worries whatsoever that Harry will be in any way threatened by Dudley in future books. Personaly, I'd be more concerned for Dudley. If Harry was in a bad mood in the fifth book, imagine the state he'll be in in the next one what with Sirius dying and all.


Me too, I mean Dud needs be careful what he says to Harry during the summer. The way Harry was snappy at his friends, well, god nows what he might do to Dud if he says something out of line. I can see the Drusleys having a very hard time with Harry this summer, not that I feel any remorse for the Drusleys, they deserve what ever Harry gives them.

A snout to go with Duds tail wouldn't go a miss.

EndlessDreamer
October 23rd, 2003, 12:49 am
I hope that Dudley and Harry will get closer become sort of like brothers. But if that does happen something else will happen between the two of them that may first and for most push them together, but eventually a real loving relationship will develop

chop
October 23rd, 2003, 12:54 am
I'd just like to bring up a comment/question, comment first - Harry will be of age to do magic (judging by Gred and Forge) the next summer, so he'll be able to threaten Dudley with that, anyways. I mean there'd still be a year to go, but he could easily say something along the lines of 'the day I turn 17, you're a dead man' just to freak him out....

Question: Even if you're of age, is it still illegal to do magic in front of magic, even if it's family? I thought it would make sense, but Petunia said that Lily was always going around turning rats in to teacups or something during the summer, so.... thoughts?
I may be wrong, but the twins were of age in the summer between sixth and seventh year at Hogwarts (they received their OWL result at the beginning of GoF) and Harry is only starting sixth year, so I think he will not be of age yet.

PlaceboAddict
October 23rd, 2003, 1:11 am
yes, that's why I said he'd still have one year left this summer.... :)

Jill
October 23rd, 2003, 1:16 am
I just can never see Dudley or the Drusleys for a matter of fact, ever getting chummy. They have done too much over too long a period for any wounds to be healed. I feel Harry is going to vent some of his frustrations out on Dudley and the Drusleys, if there not careful. Not only that, I think Lupin might join in as well, considering how he felt after Siriuses death.

FoolOnTheHill
October 23rd, 2003, 1:46 am
I can't see Harry and Dudley ever having a loving relationship. Maybe, just maybe, there will be more respect. If Dudley realizes he's only alive because of Harry he might. Might. But then again, Big D's kind of an idiot. And knowing Dudley's personality, he'd probably never even admit it. Of course, JK did says that Dudley may surprise us so you never know. So I say respect, not love.

And this relates a little bit, I don't know if there's a thread on it, but I really wonder what memories Dudley saw when the Dementors came...

lupe
October 23rd, 2003, 2:23 am
[QUOTE=Lestrange]cleansweep, me and my brother make snide remarks to each other all the time. :D

He was trying to taunt Dudley into having a fight with him. I'm pretty sure that somewhere in the text, it reffered to Harry trying to syphon off his frustrations into Dudley, to make him feel angry because Harry himself was feeling angry, frustrated, and helpless.

People usually are controlling and threatening like that when they can't control anything else in their lives; and they want to control and manipulate others to make themselves feel important, I suppose.

QUOTE]
I too have a brother and we do the same thing.
I have to agree with you on the taunting Dudley thing because Harry was feeling angry.Misery loves company, you know it's true, and if Harry was going to be miserable he wasn't going down alone.He was hoping he would run into Dudley so he could take his frustration out on him.(my bro and I do the same thing)
I also agree with you on the second part too.

Jill
October 23rd, 2003, 2:36 am
I can't see Harry and Dudley ever having a loving relationship. Maybe, just maybe, there will be more respect. If Dudley realizes he's only alive because of Harry he might. Might. But then again, Big D's kind of an idiot. And knowing Dudley's personality, he'd probably never even admit it. Of course, JK did says that Dudley may surprise us so you never know. So I say respect, not love.

And this relates a little bit, I don't know if there's a thread on it, but I really wonder what memories Dudley saw when the Dementors came...

Actually Dudley is so stupid that the dementors probably felt sorry for him and in return, gave him a better brain, better manners and more respect for the wizarding world.

They probably didn't want to suck anything out of Dudley incase it killed them. Ok, so, I'm going through a mean spell write now. Can't help it, need to pick on Dudley. :rasp:

andiimim
October 23rd, 2003, 5:22 am
And this relates a little bit, I don't know if there's a thread on it, but I really wonder what memories Dudley saw when the Dementors came...


Imo dementors make you relive all the horrible things you've had or done in your life. Dudley has done some rotten things, especially to Harry. After the attack Dudley seemed a bit quiet. Not usual for him. He is normally trying to get Harry into more trouble. I think this was an awakening and Dudley will try to make a mends. I dont think they will ever be friends but I think they will come to a happy medium.

xray
October 23rd, 2003, 6:10 am
This is an interesting thread. I was thinking that maybe Dudley and even Uncle Vernon might wise up a bit. All Harry has to do is say, "You know, I'm not going to be underage for very much longer..." Uncle Vernon might even start to see how Harry could be a benefit. I doubt Harry would ever agree to help Uncle Vernon with anything through his magic but Harry can sure use the promise of it to his advantage if he plays his cards right.

rotsiepots
October 23rd, 2003, 10:50 am
I agree with those who said Harry was just baiting Dudley. Harry had been frustrated all summer and had so much repressed anger that he wanted Dudley to respond to his remarks in a physical manner, so Harry could then vent his frustration.

He probably figured that belting Dudley would make him feel better...which isn't entirely dysfunctional, in my opinion. ;)

Weatherby
October 23rd, 2003, 10:55 am
I agree with rotsie.
Feeling better after releasing some of his frustration on Dudley doesn't make Harry a defective.

sawyer
October 23rd, 2003, 10:58 am
When Harry is angry, confused or worried ha can't control himself, so his behavoiur toward Dudley is just a consequence of his bad mood. He didn't think what Dudley could have done, he only thought about his personal satisfaction.

Jill
October 23rd, 2003, 11:21 am
When Harry is angry, confused or worried ha can't control himself, so his behavoiur toward Dudley is just a consequence of his bad mood. He didn't think what Dudley could have done, he only thought about his personal satisfaction.


Yes and Harry is still in that mood, if not worse. So the Drusleys as a whole are going to have to be extra careful this summer or they will get whats comming to them.

You see the Drusleys can be nice to Harry as much as they want but that doesn't mean Harry after all those years of being left out and abused is going to forgive and forget.

The Drusleys might come around to Harry but Harry probably will not come around to the Drusleys. Harry still needs to have the last word with them. I feel that last word will be this summer.

Go for Harry and give um what for, they need to repay him 15 years of hell, they can never make up for that, never.

Merrymime
October 23rd, 2003, 11:34 am
Right. I think this summer will be quite different. I have a feeling Dudley and the Dursleys will be keeping their distance from Harry. I have a feeling barely two words will be spoken between them all. They'll all glare at Harry when he enters the room, but all conversation will stop and they'll just say the very minimum of what is necessary for life.

Because, they don't want to say anything that will make Mad-Eye Moody chase after them.

Jill
October 23rd, 2003, 11:44 am
Yes but I can see Harry taunting them into saying something. I think Harry would love to see mad-eye moody chase them around. I know I would. Besides it would help Harry to get over his loss if Mad-eye moody chased the Drusleys around a bit.

After 15 years of hell, they deserve it. I think that Harry will keep reminding the Drusleys each time they are about to say or do anything to Harry by heading to the phone and picking up the reciever, then putting it down at the last miniute.

I can not see it as, all happy families, Mrs Drusley will be calm about it all, she might even take on board whats happened to Harry and at least make an attempt to be step mum but Mr Drusley, I don't think so. That mans stuburn and needs a good chasing to change his mind and opinions.

I say give it too em Harry. And if Dubleys still hurting little kids, then Harry needs to sort him out once and for all. :rasp:

sawyer
October 23rd, 2003, 12:02 pm
Perhaps aunt Petunia could be the only one who will change her attitude toward Harry: she knows what means that Voldie came back.

Jill
October 23rd, 2003, 2:21 pm
Perhaps aunt Petunia could be the only one who will change her attitude toward Harry: she knows what means that Voldie came back.

Yes I agree on this, Petunia throught out the whole HP series has always struck me as a woman obeying her husbands wishes and not really her own when it concern Harry. I just loved it when Petunia stood upto her husband Vernon at the beginning of OotP and enforced her wishes that Harry stayed.

At the end of OotP she too say nothing in defence of her husband, in fact Petunia said nothing at all to the others on platform 9 3/4. Thats because she knows whats best for Harry and I don't think Petunia wants to loose the closet relative to her sister.

I think Petunia hates wizards because that magic was responcible for destroying her family as a whole. You know it must have been hard for Petunia to here her relatives die one by one at the mercy of the DE and Voldermort. In many ways Petunia, by renouncing the existance of magic and hiding this from Harry, probably in her eyes was doing the best thing for him. She didn't want to loose another family member due to magic death, she was shielding him from that.

I never really believed what she said, because it was always said in so much pain.

So I hope Harry and Petunia give Dudley and Vernon whats for if they disagree with anything or pick on each other. Give it too em Harry and Petunia don't let them beat you down. :rasp:

I think after what the Drusleys have done to harry over the years, Harry does not need to be compationate to them at all. I know think that Petunia deserves just as much as uncle Vernon for not stepping in soon enough. Its just not write what they did to him and Harry deserves to get his own back on them, one way or another.

Jill
October 24th, 2003, 6:46 pm
Well at least theres one thing on Harrys side when it comes to the way he has been treated by the Drusleys, people understand what he has gone through, enough to give him protection and support when he needs it. At least he does not get kicked out for doing something wrong because he simply is upset and has feelings over his losses and the life that has been delt him. People understand him that way, pitty that isn't true in real life isn't it. :sad:

I mean, when Harry asks for help he wouldn't get kicked out of a forum would he. Not this forum of course, they would possibly more understanding and less likely to lable Harry. Like some do, for example they labled him in GoF at the end and then sent him back the the Drusleys in a real state.

Jill
October 24th, 2003, 11:45 pm
I hope the Drusleys turn things around and start to make amends with Harry and at the same time I hope Harry can do the same. I read somewhere that Vernon tried a little magical chanting at the station in the end of OotP. Well thats a start, uncle Vernon should be encourage to chant as much as he wants, as long as he gives Harry a break.

This actually suggests that Vernons interested in that word that does not exist, he must have been reading Harrys books to get the chant in the first place. So we can hope.

EndlessDreamer
October 25th, 2003, 12:40 am
I still hope that Dudley and Harry become close, I mean near death situations are odd sort of things and usually good comes out of them, well in real life anyways, you know friendships being made, that sort of thing

Katy Kedevra
October 27th, 2003, 1:14 am
I still hope that Dudley and Harry become close, I mean near death situations are odd sort of things and usually good comes out of them, well in real life anyways, you know friendships being made, that sort of thing
Your post reminded me of this sentence in PS at the end of the chapter Hallowe'en:

There are some things you can't share without ending up liking each other, and knocking out a twelve-foot mountain troll is one of them.

Minus the troll part, I'd say that having dementors almost suck the soul out of you is another situation; maybe this sentence could be said in the case for Dudley and Harry? BTW, if you don't remember, that part was where Hermione became their friend.

PlaceboAddict
October 27th, 2003, 2:51 am
Call me a cynic, or perhaps just a Dudley hater, but I really don't see him being in anyway close to Harry after the attack. Number one, that would be WAY out of character for both of them, considering that they have hated eachother for 15+ years, whereas Hermy Ron and Harry disliked and annoyed eachother for 2 months, exactly. Secondly, Dudley would most likely associate his near death experience, with magic - which is then associated with Harry. That's the way it's always been in the Dursley household: Strangeness/Danger --> Magic --> Harry.... so wouldn't he hate Harry even more?

Still I doubt that Harry's in any immediate danger.... wouldn't it be great if there was a sequel to the Aunt Marge Chapter, where the same thing happens to Dudley? *mind wandering*...

EndlessDreamer
October 27th, 2003, 2:54 am
Your post reminded me of this sentence in PS at the end of the chapter Hallowe'en:

There are some things you can't share without ending up liking each other, and knocking out a twelve-foot mountain troll is one of them.

Minus the troll part, I'd say that having dementors almost suck the soul out of you is another situation; maybe this sentence could be said in the case for Dudley and Harry? BTW, if you don't remember, that part was where Hermione became their friend.


Yeah, I didnt' even notice that when I typed my last response, but that actually helps my case, thanks! And I do remeber it, but it just hadnt crossed my mind.

Kimmetje
July 26th, 2004, 6:44 pm
I loved the joke Harry made about the Dementors; 'You can't give a dementor the one-two (or some box move)'

I do think that Dudley and Harry will never be close. I think Harry will never forgive Dudley for putting Harry in the toilet and stuff like that which we saw in OotP's Occlumency lessons. Too much differences as well and Harry always get's less than Dudley which makes him jealous and jealousy is never a good thing in a friendship. The last reason is that Harry even threatened to do something to Dudley which proves again that they dislike each other.

Gwenog Jones
July 26th, 2004, 6:57 pm
I cannot see Harry and Dudley ever becoming close. The tension and hatred between the two of them has been building up for 15 years. It's not going to go away.

I have always thought that Dudley would get into some kind of trouble, and Harry would help to save him, using magic of course. Then Dudley would at least respect and appreciate Harry, but they still would not become friends. Kind of like James saving Snape's life sort of. I don't know, I doubt it will happen but you never know :)

HPfan04
July 26th, 2004, 6:58 pm
but also in the 5th book, Harry temper is stronger! he even yells at Dumbledore! Hes just angry that hes so special and everyone keps bothering him and everything!!!!!!!!

aggiefan1206
July 26th, 2004, 7:06 pm
Dudley probably sees himself being a bully and what hes done wrong. We know he is afraid of Harry i wonder if he could see that or if something else. I think he may see the faces of the people he has picked on. Has Dudley ever been picked on? I wonder

Patrucio
July 26th, 2004, 7:10 pm
Well, from what little I thought I read Mrs. Rowling has let be known about Book Six, I believe we're going to learn about what Dudley saw when the dementors attacked him. Since everything's from Harry's POV, that means Harry's going to learn what Dudley saw as well. That would imply that Dudly won't be completely avoiding/ignoring Harry, because I doubt that Harry's going to just ovehear Dudley telling Piers about the dementors.

I think that Vernon will retain his absolute disdain of Harry. Aunt Petunia and Harry will likely have an understanding. After all, Harry actually knows why he has to stay with Aunt Petunia now, which will likely make his stay with the Dursleys more bearable this summer. Though I doubt that Harry and Petunia will actually be warm to each other, I expect to see at least some civility. Dudley isn't the brightest bulb in the lamp, but he does recognize what happened to him was magic and will likely come to learn/accept that Harry saved his life. After actually having the harrowing experience of nearly being kissed by a dementor, I think we will see Dudley coming to Harry (probably while Harry's keeping to himself at the park or something- away from the eyes of his parents) and wanting to understand what happened to him a little better. Much like with Aunt Petunia, I doubt Dudley and Harry will actually be friendly but they will come to an understanding.

Dudley have been irrevocably touched by the magic world several times. I would be very surprised if he doesn't make an attempt to learn about it this summer, if only to find a way to protect himself in the future.

aggiefan1206
July 26th, 2004, 7:18 pm
I think that Harry picking a fight with dudley was just a way to vent frustration like many of you have said. In the next book i believe that the DUrsley do need to watch what they do. I also think Petunia although she hasent really shown it does care for harry but keeps it hidden from the family an harry. Petunia eventually will have to tell harry something because i beleive she still know a lot of whats going on. Also harry did pick a fight but he also saved dudley from the dementors it shows something makes him care for the dursley in some respect. He didnt have to get the dementor off dudley. I just want to see how he is treated in the next two books because its true harry is almost of age.

RemusLupinFan
July 26th, 2004, 7:19 pm
Well, from what little I thought I read Mrs. Rowling has let be known about Book Six, I believe we're going to learn about what Dudley saw when the dementors attacked him.
I definately hope we get to learn about what Dudley saw when the dementors attacked him. I wonder if it has something to do with Harry...

As for Harry and Dudley fighting, I agree Harry was just baiting Dudley to watch him squirm, since he knew Dudley couldn't do anything to him while he had his wand. It's interesting to speculate on what would happen if Dudley ever got a hold of Harry's wand, however, I believe there is a very slim chance of this ever happening. Harry considers his wand his most valued possession because he can protect and defend himself with it. Therefore, I don't think any of the Dursleys will ever be able to get at his wand because he guards it very well. But if Dudley ever did manage to get it from Harry, I do think he'd try to break it.

Patrucio
July 26th, 2004, 7:33 pm
But if Dudley ever did manage to get it from Harry, I do think he'd try to break it.


While I do agree that it would be nigh-on impossible for Dudley to get his hands on Harry's wand, I don't necessarily think he would break it if he had the chance. It all depends on whether Dudley comes to decide that it's all Harry's fault that he was attacked by the dementors, or whether he comes to decide that Harry saved him from the dementors. It could go either way, I think...