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Rowena_DUELS
November 13th, 2003, 12:37 am
What house do you think Umbridge would be in, and why?

I'm writing a fanfic, and I need to sort her, but I can't decide...she doesn't seem to fit in any of the houses!

Dedalus
November 13th, 2003, 12:45 am
I think she's ambitious enough to be a Slytherin, with her pride at being senior under-secretary to the Minister, sucking up to the Minister at every given opportunity and strutting around at being, briefly, Headmistress. That trait shone strongly.

Weatherby
November 13th, 2003, 12:49 am
She's a Slytherin. She was quite nefarious about achieving her goals. It may be unfair to assume she's a Slytherin but she was in the top of the MoM. She screams ambitious.

hesdead-dealwithit
November 13th, 2003, 1:52 am
Slytherin is the obvious choice. For some reason, though, Ravenclaw is screaming itself at me. Maybe it's that I think she is smarter than most people, maybe it's because Ravenclaw to me reeks of having no backbone. But Slytherin it sill could be.

Weatherby
November 13th, 2003, 2:12 am
I wouldn't say she was smarter than most at all.
Ravenclaws don't necessarily have no backbone. They are more known for planning and use their wits than charging ahead into battle.

She's a Slytherin.

rotsiepots
November 13th, 2003, 6:30 am
This has been discussed in the past and it was generally agreed upon that Umbridge would have been a Slytherin. In addition to the points already raised, she has quite a dislike of all sorts of "half-breeds", so her temperament is well suited to Slytherin.

Loz
November 13th, 2003, 7:34 am
Umbridge wasn't smart, so she couldn't be in Ravenclaw. She was far from brave so she'd make a terrible Gryffindor. She was an awfully ambitious person who seemed to hold some belief in Pure-blood mania, so Slytherin seems like a good choice. On the other hand - she was fiercely Loyal - and it says nowhere that all Hufflepuffs are nice... so she could have been in Hufflepuff. She set the dementors on Harry for the Ministry, for Fudge. It was warped, but in her mind she was doing the right thing.

There's always the possibility she went to a European school. I imagine Durmstrang.

Picko
November 13th, 2003, 12:33 pm
Picko reckons that she could've been either a Hufflepuff or a Slytherin, the way she sided with the Slytherin's make me think that that is what house she was most probably in.

Alcina
November 13th, 2003, 12:39 pm
Is there actually any concrete evidence that any teachers other than the Heads of Houses are sorted at all? As far as I know, there is no mention of any teacher other than the heads of houses supporting a particular house.

Of course many of them probably went ot Hogwarts themselves, and hence would have a house from their own schooldays, but I don't recall any concrete evidence that Umbridge went to Hogwarts in her youth either?

Rose Hunter
November 13th, 2003, 2:19 pm
As much as it sickens me to admit that cow could be in the same house as myself, I'd have to say Slytherin.

I didn't know demon spawn had such a liking to the colour pink.

sawyer
November 13th, 2003, 2:40 pm
Her ambition and evilness should put her in Slytherin, but she is also so incompetent...I've always had the idea that most of Slytherin students are very smart (Draco, Lucius, Snape, Pansy...).

Rose Hunter
November 13th, 2003, 3:00 pm
Her ambition and evilness should put her in Slytherin, but she is also so incompetent...I've always had the idea that most of Slytherin students are very smart (Draco, Lucius, Snape, Pansy...).

Crabbe, Goyle...

Pansy? Competent?

sawyer
November 13th, 2003, 3:05 pm
Crabbe, Goyle...

Pansy? Competent?
They are (great) exceptions to the rule. We don't know much about Pansy: perhaps she should be intelligent and cunning, at least she appears not stupid at all to me.

Rose Hunter
November 13th, 2003, 3:11 pm
Then you agree that it is not too far-fetched that Umbridge might also be one of those 'great' exceptions.

sawyer
November 13th, 2003, 3:17 pm
Then you agree that it is not too far-fetched that Umbridge might also be one of those 'great' exceptions.
Finally yes, but it's only after I've excluded all the other choices. Hufflepuff? No (It could be my own house if I was a wizard!); Gryffindor? No, it could be only a joke; Ravenclaw? But she is not so intelligent! :elaugh:

Sinistra
November 13th, 2003, 3:31 pm
Hufflepuff isn't out of the picture because she is quite loyal (in a twisted way) and a hard worker. She monitored all the other teachers' classes as well as teaching her own. That poor women must have not had any time fior sleep. I feel for her ........... *not*

Slytherin is also a possibility, though her fondness for pink and kittens might have made her an outcast.

Dedalus
November 13th, 2003, 3:35 pm
Is there actually any concrete evidence that any teachers other than the Heads of Houses are sorted at all? As far as I know, there is no mention of any teacher other than the heads of houses supporting a particular house.

Of course many of them probably went ot Hogwarts themselves, and hence would have a house from their own schooldays, but I don't recall any concrete evidence that Umbridge went to Hogwarts in her youth either?
She said, in the Opening Feast, "it's good to back here again" (not in those words exactly, but basically that).

That and it's not a bad assumption, considering she's British and Hogwarts is the British school of magic. Probably all the teachers went to Hogwarts when they were younger, and were sorted like everyone else is now.

phoenixsong
November 13th, 2003, 7:36 pm
Slytherin is also a possibility, though her fondness for pink and kittens might have made her an outcast.Pansy Parkinson to the rescue!:Pansy Parkinson in very frilly robes of pale pink was clutching Malfoy's arm.Pink is definitely a Slytherin colour!

Auror Williamson
November 14th, 2003, 12:53 am
I distinctly remember reading where Umbridge was wearing green slytherin clothes, and was sitting with the Slytherin students in the Gryffindor vs. Slytherin quidditch match.

I can't seem to find the particular passage, but I did find the following excerpt which was taken following Harry's scuffle with Malfoy.

George and Harry both wheeled around. Dolores Umbridge was standing in the doorway wrapped in a green tweed cloak...

Besides that, it is very obvious that Umbridge is a Slytherin due to her mannerisms and views on various issues.

Rose Hunter
November 14th, 2003, 1:26 am
Especially apparent due to her burning hatred of non-human races.

:) I like how the Centaurs sorted her out in the end.

SiriuslyBria
November 14th, 2003, 6:52 am
Even though it does seem a tad too easy to say Slytherin, I agree that that was most likely her house. Neither Gryffindor nor Ravenclaw really fits, so that leaves Slytherin and Hufflepuff. While she is loyal, she also seems too much the embodiment of a Slytherin to be anything else, IMO.

Puffskein
November 14th, 2003, 2:13 pm
Slytherin makes most sense, because of her dirty dealings. It would explain why she favoured the Slytherins so much. Suggesting she's a Hufflepuff is an insult to the memory of Cedric Diggory - she does not value fair play and she's intolerant (unlike Helga).

phoenixsong
November 18th, 2003, 2:49 pm
I distinctly remember reading where Umbridge was wearing green slytherin clothes, and was sitting with the Slytherin students in the Gryffindor vs. Slytherin quidditch match.
I can't seem to find the particular passage, Here it is:
"You mean Umbridge?" said Harry. "She won't, she's got her whole Inquisitorial Squad sitting with her, didn't you see?"This at the final Quidditch match. Now, it doesn't exactly say that she didn't ask all those Slytherins on her Squad to move to where she was sitting, though she might have. But it is probably likely that she is sitting with them in the Slytherin section. But no mention of Slytherin rosettes or anything.

Jonny Boy
November 19th, 2003, 9:04 pm
I would imediatly say that she is a Slytherin but she seems more like a Hufflepuff.

Kaonashi
November 19th, 2003, 9:19 pm
She doesn't seem lke a Hufflepuff at all. Hufflepuffs value fair play and above all equality. Helga Hufflepuff basically said in the Sorting Hat's song: Just give me the rest that you don't want and I'll teach them all I know. Umbridge was loyal to Fudge but at the same time she did not use fair play in her dealings with others. Very ambitious, she even accused Mc Gonnagal of wanting to help Dumbledore unsurp Fudge as Minister of Magic and placing herself as the secretary because that's the exact thing that SHE would try to do. Of course, McGonnagal said that she was barking mad.

I've noticed that people do tend to be more than a bit partial to the House that they themseves were sorted in. Snape, a former Slytherin, favors them. McGonnagal, though strict, gives Gryfinnidor slack from time to time. Professor Sprout seems to just enjoy teaching and is quite impartial, which is a Hufflepuff trait. Not sure who the House Head for Ravenclaw is...I've heard everything from Flitwick to Sinistra.

FarhanaK
November 19th, 2003, 11:08 pm
Um.....let's see she isn't very brave so Gryffindor OUT!Definently she is not smart she is pretty pathetic so Ravenclaw OUT!She is too ugly to go into Slytherin OUT!She doesn't work so Hufflepuff OUT!What the heck just kick her out of Hogwarts.For God's sake Hogwarts wants to CLEAN. :lol: ha ha lol.

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hesdead-dealwithit
November 19th, 2003, 11:24 pm
Everyone says she isn't brave so she can't be a Gryffindor, but I'm not so sure. Look at her standing up to the centaurs. Sure, she was being stupid and ignorant, but there also was a little bit of braveness there. And it also takes courage to stand up to Dumbledore like she did all through the book. I think she could go into any house.

FarhanaK
November 19th, 2003, 11:57 pm
Posted by hesdead-dealwithit - Today at 4:24 pm
Everyone says she isn't brave so she can't be a Gryffindor, but I'm not so sure. Look at her standing up to the centaurs. Sure, she was being stupid and ignorant, but there also was a little bit of braveness there. And it also takes courage to stand up to Dumbledore like she did all through the book. I think she could go into any house.


I kind of disagree because I don't think it was bravery that she did with the centaurs and dumbledore but it was kind of a show off thing because she worked at the ministry of magic and she was that thing I forgot what it was.

hesdead-dealwithit
November 20th, 2003, 12:02 am
But it still took a little bit of courage. I don't know about you, but if I was in her situation, I would have just folded. It's a very different type of bravery than we're used to, because it is based on ignorance rather than knowledge, but it's still bravery.

NiCk RiDdLe
November 20th, 2003, 1:07 am
I say she belongs in Slytherin. That's just my opinion.

Jonny Boy
November 20th, 2003, 1:19 am
She doesn't seem lke a Hufflepuff at all. Hufflepuffs value fair play and above all equality. Helga Hufflepuff basically said in the Sorting Hat's song: Just give me the rest that you don't want and I'll teach them all I know. Umbridge was loyal to Fudge but at the same time she did not use fair play in her dealings with others. Very ambitious, she even accused Mc Gonnagal of wanting to help Dumbledore unsurp Fudge as Minister of Magic and placing herself as the secretary because that's the exact thing that SHE would try to do. Of course, McGonnagal said that she was barking mad.

I've noticed that people do tend to be more than a bit partial to the House that they themseves were sorted in. Snape, a former Slytherin, favors them. McGonnagal, though strict, gives Gryfinnidor slack from time to time. Professor Sprout seems to just enjoy teaching and is quite impartial, which is a Hufflepuff trait. Not sure who the House Head for Ravenclaw is...I've heard everything from Flitwick to Sinistra.
Maybe she didn't want to be in Hufflepuff but got put in it. Heck harry was supposed to be in Slytherin.

hesdead-dealwithit
November 20th, 2003, 1:25 am
I say she belongs in Slytherin.
Most likely. But she's too much of a multi-dimensional character for us to really know. Remember one thing - she may have chosen specifically not to be in Slytherin, consciously (like Harry) or unconsciously.

FarhanaK
November 20th, 2003, 8:12 pm
Well....yeah it took a little bravey how about 1% but that is not enough for gryfindor so OUT!Once again......hee hee hee.... :evil:

Blackophile
November 21st, 2003, 8:58 am
She cannot be a Gryffindor or Ravenclaw. But from Hufflepuff and Slytherin, I'll choose Slytherin.

witch_child
November 21st, 2003, 7:22 pm
I don't think that it was bravery to stand up to Dumbledore and the Centaurs, more like ignorance and a feeling that she was above them. She bought into her own lies that she was better than the half-breed centaur, so she didn't have any reason to be afraid of them in the first place. As for Dumbledore, she bought into all the hype that was in the Daily Prophet (probably helped to make up most of it). My vote is definately for Slytherin, she used whatever means she needed to get whatever she wanted. And the whole blood ink pen thing has to be some kind of dark magic. I don't think that Hufflepuff would ever resort to that and Ravenclaws would be way too smart for all that other stuff. There is no way that Gryfindor could have been her house, she is too prejudiced against it, along with the fact that I don't see any GH triats in her.
I am prepared to eat my words if JKR sees differently :p

IThinkNot
November 22nd, 2003, 7:48 pm
"I think you would have been better suited to my own house. We Slytherins are brave, yes, but not stupid. For instance, given the choice, we will always choose to save our own necks."
(Phineas Nigellus)

Slytherins have thier own kind of bravery. That's Gryffindor out.

"Slytherin House, where those of cunning and ambition will always find their kind..."
(Sorting Hat)

Slytherins are intelligent in a very manipulative way. That's Ravenclaw out.

"Use your head. You know where she came from; you must know to whom she is reporting."
(McGonnagol)

Slytherins play on the side that wins. Fudge was the highest power in the land, with the Ministry reigning over Hogwarts. That's Hufflepuff out.

So, my guess would be Slytherin. (And Pansy Parkinson proves you can still love pink and be evil at the same time.) :)

Constance
November 22nd, 2003, 8:34 pm
I vote Slytherin...

With her prejudice agains half-breeds and dark-magic quill there is only once place where she can belong.

(BTW, i'm not insulting Slytherins...h*ll...i'm one myself....)

Twinkly eyed
November 22nd, 2003, 8:45 pm
somebody mentioned that she might be put in Hufflepuf, as she was loyal, i think she is only loyal to the ones who can put her in the right places, and make her life very comfortable, i mean, she wasnt loyal to Dumbledore but she was loyal to Fudge.(who had her a VERY nice job!).........hmmm, i reckon she is most suited to Slytherin, as she has a pure-blood mania, and because she is sooo evil! :D

FarhanaK
November 27th, 2003, 3:35 am
I still think that Umbridge shouldn't even put a toe on Hogwarts.

Jonny Boy
November 27th, 2003, 12:58 pm
Maybe she started out good like Hermione or lavender or Parvati or some other good girl but power got to her head (like with Percy) and she has become really evil.

Cho Chang 29
November 27th, 2003, 1:20 pm
Maybe she never went to Hogwarts...

She might of come from Drumstrang - they specialised in Dart Arts - perfect training for a DA teacher.

Mad Macca
February 14th, 2004, 11:41 am
But she's not really a DA teacher.

Haha, I saw the title for this thread and I was getting all ready to say "OH, her house has lots of frilly lace curtains and ornaments all over the place" :lol:

But like the majority of people here, I have to agree that if Umbridge went to Hogwarts she would have been in Slytherin. She sides with Slytherin and always be's nice to them, when I think most of the other teachers don't prefer them to other students (no offence to you Slytherin folk out there though!). Her hate of half breeds surely takes the cake. Shes your stereotypical slytherin! :D

VelvetSkies
April 24th, 2004, 1:19 am
Hate to say it, but Slytherin. Not all Slytherins are bad, though. Don't get the wrong idea. Read signature.

noxerised
July 14th, 2004, 11:08 pm
i think she was in Hufflepuff...she doesn't really excell at anything, except knowing how to torment (and you can learn that anywhere)...she was just a nobody, until Fudge took her as an assistant, then her head exploded w/ visions of grandeur...

Jim Freemason
July 14th, 2004, 11:13 pm
I made a thread a cpl hours ago not finding this one. Not a good searcher yet i guess.
Anyway, I think a good case could be made for any house except Ravenclaw. She did show fierce loylaty, so she could be Hufflepuff. She certainly is Nasty enough to be in Slytherin. And though the strength of her bravery might have came from her belief in the power of the Ministry, she did show Bravery against the Centaurs and in even going into the Forbiddin Forest. Let alone in confronting Dumbledore in his own office. So Who knows.
I vote that she was a Gryffindor that got corupted by power while in the Ministry.

Prof.Blink
July 14th, 2004, 11:23 pm
slytherin... she obviously favoured them in OoTP. She had their same narrow-minded attitudes and also choose slyhterin students to be part of her inquisitorial (?) squad.

ErickGama
July 15th, 2004, 2:37 am
I wouldn't say she was smarter than most at all.
Ravenclaws don't necessarily have no backbone. They are more known for planning and use their wits than charging ahead into battle.

She's a Slytherin.

So Revenclaws are the clever ones, aren't they? And of course Gryffindors are the brave ones. Hey! Why is Ron in Gryffindor if he is almost afraid of anything? Wow. And she is a Slytherin! Of course. She is as mean as Malfoy but what is it that chooses the ones in Slytherin? Is it the one that can do great things?

DerHalfBlood
July 15th, 2004, 2:49 am
Umbridge has gotta be from Slytherin. She might not necessarily be on Voldemort's side, but she sure was mean in Order of the Phoenix. Slytherin doesn't turn out all Death Eaters, but Umbridge is what mean people I could see the house giving out to the world.

Aramina
July 15th, 2004, 3:12 am
So Revenclaws are the clever ones, aren't they? And of course Gryffindors are the brave ones. Hey! Why is Ron in Gryffindor if he is almost afraid of anything? Wow. And she is a Slytherin! Of course. She is as mean as Malfoy but what is it that chooses the ones in Slytherin? Is it the one that can do great things?

Ron's brave when it counts. For instance, in the DoM, the CoS, under the trapdoor on the third floor (in SS/PS), in the Shrieking Shack (in PoA), and running around in the forest in the middle of the night with DEs marching through his campsite(in GoF). Besides, bravery is not not being scared, it is doing what you have to do even when you *are* scared.

SupFiggy
July 15th, 2004, 7:13 am
Maybe she went to Durmstrang, that's how she knew to do the cruciatus curse

Turiya
July 15th, 2004, 10:15 am
I think it is most probably Slytherin, since she stops at nothing, to gain (or in her case preserve) power.

Please do not forget, that she sent two dementors on Harry. In my oppinion, this was an atemted murder.
You have too remember, that at this time nobody in the Ministry knew that Harry could do a Patronous Charm, and 15 Year olds are usualy defenseless against a dementor.
Even if she didn't intended Harrys (and Dudleys, whatever bully he is, still an innocent bystander) Death, she at least accepted the possibilty.

Later then she did resort to torture, and very nearly resorted to crucio.

Kimmetje
July 15th, 2004, 10:17 am
I also think she went to Slytherin as she is evil and most of the Slytherins go bad (says so in the book) and Umbridge is bad so...Slytherin!

Shaadi
January 8th, 2005, 12:48 am
If she was in Hogwarts... I think she was in Slytherin and she was a loner. She is against Voldemort, although I'm sure she hates the mudbloods and halfbloods. And maybe that's because of her classmates.

But... who knows. She maybe WAS a DE. The thing is... how did she learn to do the Cruciatus curse?

dinkime
January 8th, 2005, 1:09 am
(moving this over from another thread speculating her house & how lupin knew her)

I think she would have been in Slytherin (many many years ago -- before the time of the Mauraders). Lupin knew her because she had tried to pass more laws against werewolves, not from school (at least not that I can remember reading), and even if they knew each other in school, Lupin also knew Snape and he was in Slytherin.

hermy_weasley2
January 8th, 2005, 4:30 am
Professor Sprout seems to just enjoy teaching and is quite impartial, which is a Hufflepuff trait.

This was an old post I know, but in GoF when Harry has been made the fourth champion and has taken Hufflepuff's glory he notices that Sprout is distant with him in class.

As for Umbridge in school, let's just look at the Sorting Hat's song. In OoTP it seems that the Hat is warning the school of division, but I think it had heard about Umbridge and was trying to warn them all of her.;)

Well, she's the model-Slytherin, of course

kathphphphp
January 8th, 2005, 6:36 am
gryffindor. haha just my guess

Raven_Girly
January 8th, 2005, 8:32 am
"I think you would have been better suited to my own house. We Slytherins are brave, yes, but not stupid. For instance, given the choice, we will always choose to save our own necks."
(Phineas Nigellus)

Slytherins have thier own kind of bravery. That's Gryffindor out.

"Slytherin House, where those of cunning and ambition will always find their kind..."
(Sorting Hat)

Slytherins are intelligent in a very manipulative way. That's Ravenclaw out.

"Use your head. You know where she came from; you must know to whom she is reporting."
(McGonnagol)

Slytherins play on the side that wins. Fudge was the highest power in the land, with the Ministry reigning over Hogwarts. That's Hufflepuff out.

So, my guess would be Slytherin. (And Pansy Parkinson proves you can still love pink and be evil at the same time.) :)

Yes, very clever IThinkNot; I think this post pretty much shows that Umbridge is perfect for Slytherin! Another thing that points to this is that she favoured the Slytherins in OotP.

runitzandrew
January 8th, 2005, 8:36 am
I like to think Umbridge isn't a witch and she's just some evil fat lady running around in Hogwarts.

Raven_Girly
January 8th, 2005, 8:48 am
I like to think Umbridge isn't a witch and she's just some evil fat lady running around in Hogwarts.
:rotfl:

fairy_lightz
January 8th, 2005, 7:54 pm
hufflepuff cause she doesnt really show she exells at anything

ikuko
January 8th, 2005, 8:39 pm
Well, while I agree that she was definitely not in Griffindor (she clearly did everything in her power to hurt it) I doubt that she was in Slytherin. Think about it: she does NOT really want to be a leader, her ambition is limited to "an important member of a ministry", and underling. Even when she becomes a headmistress, she treats the post as a department-head of the ministry, not as a boss in her own right. She bullies other teahcers, true, but most bullies do it to overcompensate theit insecurities.

As it was said before, all the horrible things she diid were not for her own benefit, but in a twisted sense of loyalty to the ministry. To me she appears to be a person with deep inferiority complex, who tried to fit for too long and too hard, and, when finally found a niche where she feels safe, could kill anyone who would challenge her position. It is the sense of her own inferiority that forces her to forbid questions from the pupils, mistreat the brightest and most capable, bully the teachers, run to ministry if any problem apper, dress in a "cute" way (to seem more appealing? ughhh). She was genuanly crashed and did not attempt to retaliate after her defeat.

There is not enough of true unabashed egotism for a slytherin, and not enough brains for Ravenclaw. There is, however, warped loyalty, hard working, and underlying inferiority complex, that places her in Hufflepuff.

As to the ideas that "it woukld be insult to the memory of Cedric" and such, people, come on. In every house there are nice and less nice peiople, and you can not judge entire house by some given specimen.

Lucybird
January 8th, 2005, 8:49 pm
This might seem like a strange idea but maybe Gryffindor... she reminds me a bit of Percy... but evil... very ambitious will do almost anything to get what she wants. And bravery does not have to be against evil nessercerly... it was brave you could say to send the dementors after Harry thinking of the consequences if she was found out... and to go up against the teachers all the time... there could have been some nasty consequences to that too

Tane
January 8th, 2005, 9:29 pm
Umbridge just screams out as a Slytherin because she tried to obtain her goals by all means and that is the Slytherin way. It would have been braver of Umbridge to back down at one point and admit that Dumbledore was not a crazy like certain ministers thought he was but she did not. All Umbridge wanted was control of Hogwarts in any way possible, a little like Snape wanting to get to teach DADA and Umbridge’s punishments matched that of the old Slytherin Headmaster when Tom was at Hogwarts.

ikuko
January 8th, 2005, 10:45 pm
Umbridge just screams out as a Slytherin because she tried to obtain her goals by all means and that is the Slytherin way. It would have been braver of Umbridge to back down at one point and admit that Dumbledore was not a crazy like certain ministers thought he was but she did not. All Umbridge wanted was control of Hogwarts in any way possible, a little like Snape wanting to get to teach DADA and Umbridge’s punishments matched that of the old Slytherin Headmaster when Tom was at Hogwarts.
That's exactly the thing. She could not be a slytherin, because they were not HER goals. It was a disgusting and overzelous servitude that made her the horror of Hogwarts. She didnt want anything better for herself than an approval from Fudge, maybe a promotion even closer to him. She did not want to be in charge! even when she was in charge of Hogwarts, she simply delivered it to ministry, not even attempting to use her position for anything personal. Just because she is such a miserable excuse for a human, does not mean that she is a slytherin. Marietta is a ravenclaw, and she isnt a very nice person, either.

tarachristwen
January 9th, 2005, 7:35 am
definitely she was in slytherin house when she was studying in hogwarts..she's so EVIL!!!!!!! :evil:

Tane
January 9th, 2005, 10:43 am
That's exactly the thing. She could not be a slytherin, because they were not HER goals. It was a disgusting and overzelous servitude that made her the horror of Hogwarts. She didnt want anything better for herself than an approval from Fudge, maybe a promotion even closer to him. She did not want to be in charge! even when she was in charge of Hogwarts, she simply delivered it to ministry, not even attempting to use her position for anything personal. Just because she is such a miserable excuse for a human, does not mean that she is a slytherin. Marietta is a ravenclaw, and she isnt a very nice person, either.Even though it was not necessarily Hogwart's and gaining control of the place, there was still a goal to have and that was to impress Fudge to gain extra credit and move up the rankings.

Unless it is a similar relationship to Voldemort and Pettigrew with Fudge and Umbridge in which case you have a real good point, she could belong to another house. Though the punishment that Umbridge gave to Harry did match the kind of punishment given by Slytherins or in some cases as with Snape exceeded that. Umbridge is quite brave considering that she confronted Dumbledore perhaps the reason Umbridge is so hard to place into Ravenclaw, Slytherin or Gryffindor is because she belongs to Hufflepuff.

Unicorn21
January 9th, 2005, 11:12 am
People are saying that when she stood up to Dumbledore that was bravey. I don't agree it was pure stupidity, she could never win against Dumbledore hes the most powerful wizard of the time (except maybe voldie).

Therefore I think Slytherin! where else would an evil toad come from?

no1 potter fan
January 9th, 2005, 11:46 am
Well I don't really know! She could be slytherin though because she nearly used the Cruciatus curse on Harry. But Harry did use the Cruciatus curse on a death eater and that doesn't make him evil. When she was teaching she was horrible to all of the houses apart from slytherin why? She could have been in that house! She doesn't seem evil enough to be in slytherin though even though she is evil she just seems mad. She isn't as evil or mad as voldie though! I don't think she could be in ravenclaw either because she didn't do anything nice for them when she was teaching either. She does't seem to be clever and most of the ravenclaws get on with the gryffindors and they seem to hate the slytherins but umbridge seemed to love the slytherins. So I don't think she could be a ravenclaw. Hufflepuffs are supposed to be loyal to each other I suppose she could have been a hufflepuff because she was loyal to Fudge but if she was in Hufflepuff she wasn't loyal to them either because she took loads of points off them too.This leaves us with Gryffindor I think that this is a no no (lol) but she must have been brave to stand up and fight Dumbledore or she could have been incredably stupid. So apart from that she doesn't seem brave at all. Again she was never kind to gryffindor. So I think that umbridge could have been a slytherin or she was just a mad old frog that went running around hogwarts wearing robes. She could have gone to another school? Or she didn't go to a school at all she could have been a muggle that got turned into a frog once and then one day fudge found her and kissed her (yuk)and she became human again and some of the magic got trapped inside her. :rotfl:

aoife
January 9th, 2005, 11:50 am
i'd say slytherin or hufflepuff cause she is bad but she is kinda dumb too

Hectate
January 12th, 2005, 9:27 am
Isee her as a Slytherin. She is certainly nefarious and despicable enough for it. And also very cunning.

fire_angel
January 12th, 2005, 9:38 am
I think she was in hufflepuff. So stupid, but Slytherin seems to fit her too. Somewhere between these two, only that she doesn't have the qualities of the houses, but the bad parts.

Turiya
January 12th, 2005, 10:42 am
That's exactly the thing. She could not be a slytherin, because they were not HER goals.
It was a disgusting and overzelous servitude that made her the horror of Hogwarts. She didnt want anything better for herself than an approval from Fudge, maybe a promotion even closer to him. She did not want to be in charge!

Crab and Goyle (both junior and senior) seem to be quite contend with their crony role.
I don't think that Slytherins all want to be (or are natural) Leaders.
Malfoy certainly is, but even older Slytherins (e.g. that Knot fellow) seem to turn to Draco, asking for advice.
Slytherins are neither stupid nor irrealistic, they know that there can be only one supreme ruler of the universe, and some probably even acknowlege that they might not be the best for the job.
So they go for the next best place in the hirachy, which means the place that suites them best.
With exeption of Wormtail and perhaps Malfoy sr. all DEs seem to be genuinly content with the place they have been given from Voldemort. (see Belatrix, Crouch jr., Macnair)

The important trait is not the choice of goals, but the means and the extend of ambition to archive them.

even when she was in charge of Hogwarts, she simply delivered it to ministry, not even attempting to use her position for anything personal.

Well her goal is to excell at the job she's been given, and if possible suprise fudge with how well she preformed.
And she defends her post and her goals with any mean availible to her.

On another note, I wholehartedly agree with your earlyer assertion that much of her bullying stems from insecurity, but appart from that being the case for almost all bullying, that doesn't make it less evil.
Fear is not, and can never be an excuse for bad deads.
Apart from that she seems to genuinly enjoy torturing people (her detentions, her excitment upon the prospect of using crucio, ...)

Just because she is such a miserable excuse for a human, does not mean that she is a slytherin. Marietta is a ravenclaw, and she isnt a very nice person, either.

What I have stated above, in addition to my earlier post make me quite confident in affiliating her with slytherin. Huffelpuf is IMVHO only a secend choice, even if I agree with you that not every bad person is from slytherin.

Turiya

Luna_Anne
January 14th, 2005, 9:00 am
Slytherin. She's despicable enough for it.

Prettee
January 14th, 2005, 9:12 am
She's definitely not a Gryffindor or Slytherin.
She doesn't possess any of the good qualities of Gryffindors. She can't be Slytherin because she'd have to be a supporter of Voldemort.
She's either a Hufflepuff or Ravencalw.
My guess is Ravenclaw, because she's not loyal enough to be a Hufflepuff, plus, ( even though we HATE to admit it ) she's pretty clever, and she needed top grades to work in the Ministry of Magic.

enchantedgerbil
January 14th, 2005, 10:06 pm
Probably in a large, dull, ugly grey-colored estate.

Oh wait; sorry. I do that a lot of times when people don't capitalize the word House. No worries though.

I'm undoubtedly sure that she'd be in Slytherin. She obviously favors them, and she is very... success-oriented.