Who will guard Azkaban?

[[Pretty]_[Unicorn]]

I'm curious to who will take the place of the dementors in taking guard over Azkaban. Possibly wizards and witches but wouldn't that mean more breakouts because they won't impose as much fear as the dementors and they might not sense when someone is leaving or trying to break out as the dementors do. They make the jailmates scared and it is because of them that the prison was guarded for no breakouts. The only people to really break-out of Azkaban from the dementors are 2 people-Sirius and Crouch Jr. So they have been doing a good job but I feel that placing people to guard it will cause more escapes. They need a new replacement.

[The Red Duke]

Well, remember that we don't know how many people are in Azkaban anymore. After Voldemort broke out his followers, that very well could have reduced the number of people in the prison by half or more. Besides, with Voldemort's 'most dangerous supporters' out in the populace, the Ministry could very well decomission Azkaban, move the current prisoners the Auror headquarters in the Ministry, where it's not a personnel burden to keep them.

There are only finite amounts of Aurors, and very likely all of them are going to be used to catch Death Eaters. Assigning them to Azkaban, miles away from anywhere useful, would be tactically insane, but keeping prisoners in Auror headquarters would keep the personnel base near to where they would be needed.

[London_luv89]

Maybe some other creatures....

[hesdead-dealwithit]

We normally assume that the guards at Azkaban have always been dementors, but considering that I would be that the dementors weren't guarding the prison during the first war (probably, they were and still are LV's natural allies, they would help him), and it is unlikely that after being a traitor to the good side wizards would reinstate them as guards, it is my opinion that wizards only instituted the dementors as guards of Azkaban after the first war. They realized how powerful the dementors were during the first war and wanted them to guard the prison. I find it more likely that wizards would recognize power, even power that was used against them, and wield it, than forgive traitors.

[dobby_rocks]

That is a good point they had to have had some other gurads before the Demonters became the guards. They loyal to Voldmort,but after his down fall and Fudge offreded the job to them all those people to suck happeniess away they couldnt resiste.

I think right know Azkaban would be their last concern and they might put the at least the Death Eaters in the Minsterey as said

[Dedalus]

Random, but I don't think the Dementors are loyal to Voldemort. I think they're just loyal to their own hungers. Whoevers offers the most wins! They don't have souls so they can't really have opinions ;)

I think they'd use human guards temporarily. Probably not Aurors, because they need them to do the hunting down - they're too precious to set on guard-duty at times like this.

[The Red Duke]

It's entirely possible that Azkaban was founded only after the first war, to hold Death Eaters. Most of the very famous incidents we hear about in History of Magic classes are minor (well, except the Goblin Rebellion) are comparatively mild next to the atrocities perpetrated by Death Eaters. Anybody have any evidence that Azkaban was founded a long time ago?

Granted, the reactions in court were horrified when someone mentioned people being sent to Azkaban, but if it was widely publisiczed as being a little rock way out to sea guarded by Dementors, the reaction is understandable.

[Prof.Aze]

I guess after what happened they will let the goblins do the guarding work that the dementors left... Before that Witches and wizards in the ministry will try to put a lot of spell around the wizarding prison and the goblins will do their work...

I think goblins are suitable for the work because as i remember in book 5, Charlie or Bill said that they are not yet convinced on whom to take side with but with a big possibilty on the good side since the bad side murdered one of the goblins before... :)

Correct me if i'm wrong... I already forgot some of it... I need to read the book all over again...

[teffybob]

Random, but I don't think the Dementors are loyal to Voldemort. I think they're just loyal to their own hungers. Whoevers offers the most wins! They don't have souls so they can't really have opinions ;)


Well actually they have lots of souls just not one of their own ;) ;) They suck the souls out of people

Anyways, There is probably some spell or something to keep them in. Or even a new job for witches and wizards. Imagine the job pamphlets for the 5th year's Career thing "A highly exciting and dangerous jobs, requirements: Defense against the dark arts, you may need it dealing with these criminals.

[Hermione]

I guess after what happened they will let the goblins do the guarding work that the dementors left... Before that Witches and wizards in the ministry will try to put a lot of spell around the wizarding prison and the goblins will do their work...

I think goblins are suitable for the work because as i remember in book 5, Charlie or Bill said that they are not yet convinced on whom to take side with but with a big possibilty on the good side since the bad side murdered one of the goblins before...

But goblins are only concerned with money or at least that's what we've been lead to believe. It wouldn't be a wise move for the ministery to let goblins guard Azkaban, as you said the goblins are being nuetral at the moment but who knows what they'll do next. It's almost like saying "We don't know what side you want to take but watch our prisoners, if you decide to go to the Dark Lord please don't let the convicts go."

I think that wizards will have to guard the prisoners, at least temporarly, maybe with Moody since he does believe in constant vigilance and that would diffinetly be needed seeing as all the escaped Death Eaters are back in Azkaban.

[hesdead-dealwithit]

Random, but I don't think the Dementors are loyal to Voldemort. I think they're just loyal to their own hungers. Whoevers offers the most wins! They don't have souls so they can't really have opinions ;)
I'll have to disagree here. When LV said the dementors were his natural allies, to me that sounded as more than just at heart they both were evil, but they had functioned as allies in the past - ie, in the second war. I think they will always side with Voldemort and have always sided with Voldemort, and therefore they can't always have been guards of Azkaban (because the people wouldn't take back traitors) but were installed after the war (because they needed to guard many dangerous prisoners, they had seen the ruthlessness and power of the dementors first hand, and they had realize to a certain extent they are loyal to their hungers).

[Marcy]

If the dementors leave azkaban to join Voldemort it is possible that all wizard prisoners will escape, not only DEs

[rotsiepots]

Azkaban is probably like the Bastille; feared and hated by the majority, but containing very few prisoners.

The Death Eaters escaped and will, inevitably, do the same at some point during their current imprisonment. Perhaps once they've escaped again the Ministry will temporarily shut down the prison? I can imagine they will probably have better things to do than to guard people like Willy Widdershins or Dumbledore.

If not, I'm assuming they'll use Aurors or human guards.

[Magi]

Well actually they have lots of souls just not one of their own ;) ;) They suck the souls out of peopleI thought they had NO soul.

IIRC, Lupin told Harry that if Dementors feed on a person long enough, they will reduce the person to something like itself: "....soul-less and evil...".


As for guarding Azkaban, it wouldn't be a stretch to think the Ministry will create new job openings for prison guards. They have the Magical Law Enforcement Patrol (the good old neighbourhood cop), Hit Wizards (I guess wizard version of police SWAT), Aurors (FBI, MI5, etc.), and security wizards (eg. Eric Munch). So why not a "Magical Correctional Service"?

[Jill]

I think the dementors and the inmates will both join sides with Voldemort, that is why Lucius Malfoy has been put in a place where he might end up in Azkaban. Lucius can help the dementors break free and rally the inmates to join Voldemort.

[ginnybatbogeysyou]

I think Azakaban will be guarded by wizards after the Dementors have turn the tha bad side. I think this will cause a lot of problems, becasue people are much more easy to overpower than a soul-sucking Dementor.
Maybe they could use dragons as guards? If one tries to escape, the dargon to their job and we get fried inmate. :lol:

[Wab]

I think smart security rather than scary guards are the key to Azkaban.

Azkaban is an unplottable island out in the North Sea.

The only two escapes during the Dementors period were people who slipped beneath the Dementors' psychic radar.

Making Azkaban only accessible by boat would make it pretty near impregnable.

[ae1vart0n]

The dementors already left azkaban. It was in the Daily Prophet article at the end of OotP.

Personally I think House Elves. They're powerful, trustworthy and always appointed to the dirty work. Some of them might see it as an honor and volunteer.

[Kaonashi]

I'm thinking spells would be much better. The prison is out to sea anyway, making it hard to get to without a boat. A Non-Apparation, non-boat-landing spell would keep them in nicely, and maybe they will get soe sort of crature we haven't heard of yet to make sure that none of the inmates gets off the island. They wouldn't have Aurors do it, and having ordinary wizards guard it would jsut be too risky.

[Dedalus]

I'll have to disagree here. When LV said the dementors were his natural allies, to me that sounded as more than just at heart they both were evil, but they had functioned as allies in the past - ie, in the second war. I think they will always side with Voldemort and have always sided with Voldemort.
They didn't side with Voldemort because they agreed with his values, though. They don't care about the purity of a wizard's blood or Muggles or shaking up the wizarding world by brute force, like his Death Eaters do. Not everything that's an evil creature is going to side with Voldemort because they see him as evil, because there's different things that make a person evil. What about the Death Eaters and other nasties they had up in Azkaban, who the Dementor's didn't spare? They didn't side with them despite them being as evil a bunch of creatures as Dementors are.

So I still think they take the best offer. They don't want to not work for humans, for some reason - perhaps they're a bit stupid and need wizard help in other things, or the opposite and have enough sense to not want to be hunted down, but they will take whichever human has the most to offer them. They live for their stomaches. They are evil creatures, definitely, but I don't think they care whether a human is or isn't.

[deadlocked]

Personally I think House Elves. They're powerful, trustworthy and always appointed to the dirty work. Some of them might see it as an honor and volunteer.

I do not agree. I think other magical creatures like goblins could be PAID
to guard the prison. They guard gringotts and that's the safest place besides Hogwarts...

[Constant Vigilance]

I think the best solution is to hire the goblins to guard Askaban: they have years of security experience in Gringotts, they have capital to invest, they have dragons and complicated vaults to convert the cells, they are famed for their fierceness and the make their military hardware (remember Hagrid's unbreakable helment for the giants). They have curse breaking experts (so they know tricks to open traps and stuff)Speaking of Hagrid, he could sell them a batch of blastendedskrewts and maybe Fluffy (with ear plugs).

Any goblin brutallity problem would be benogn in comparison to the Dementors.

Gringotts could make a unit specially for this contract, a tipe of Vinnell of the Wizarding World. Think about it, it's like what the US does in Saudi Arabia with Vinnel: the Army downsised so they outsoursed services and now the Saudi National Guard hires them. The Ministry has a similar problem: not enough manpower (not due to downsizing though, Aurors are just rare). Lots of countries outsourse prisions.

It would be a good idea, leaves the Order of the Phoenix free for concentrating on Voldi and keeps Azkaban away from the incompetent Fudge and in hands of no nonsense professionals.

However a minimun number of Aurors would be needed, to supervise and cast patronuses if the Dementors attack Azkaban (as the patronus is the only defense and we don't know if goblins can cast them. Even dragons should be useless versus Dementors)

And whoever proposed house elves has an interesting point: they are loyal and powerfull (but wizards just want them dumped on menial labour so that they remain unimportant) this could be Hermionie's chance to get them to do something more demanding and build confidence! At least they'll have a clean prision.

[roberto]

It wouldn't be nice but you could put the prisoners under the imperious (sp?) curse. Or you could force them to take potitions that leave them unable to do anything for the duration of their stay. I'm guessing there is an anti-apperation spell over the island (if it works for Hogwarts, why not there?) so you could get dragons or something to guard everyother way in.

[Constant Vigilance]

It wouldn't be nice but you could put the prisoners under the imperious (sp?) curse. Or you could force them to take potitions that leave them unable to do anything for the duration of their stay. I'm guessing there is an anti-apperation spell over the island (if it works for Hogwarts, why not there?) so you could get dragons or something to guard everyother way in.

It would be as horrible as the Dementors, a constant torture for years. No improvement in Dumbledore's POV probably. Would be as cruel as the old sistem. People do suffer under the Imperious Curse.

[Comrade Duke]

One of the simplest solutions would be to kill off all the people charged with serious crimes and release the ones done for minor crimes and scrap the place, but it overall would be a brutal and not a very good solution.
Anyway, with a war on there will be new prisoners (or old prisoners recaptured),
So they need to keep a prison of some description.
The previously mentioned idea of using goblins is good so I would suggest:
Keep Azkaban and then hire in security goblins, but also have a small staff of Ministry wizards for further security.
Another devious idea could be to keep Azkaban running, but open a top secret high-security prison at a new location for the sole purpose of holding Voldermorts supporters so as Voldermort would hopefully not know where his captured followers are held.
He could attack Azkaban, but it would be risky and he would come off empty-handed.

[Magi]

I like the Goblin idea. Although I think they might be weak against bribes.

[JenJen]

I'm wondering if the Ministry of Magic will allow the use of the Imperius curse on the prisoners...it'd be a good way to keep them in, anyway.

[Constant Vigilance]

One of the simplest solutions would be to kill off all the people charged with serious crimes and release the ones done for minor crimes and scrap the place, but it overall would be a brutal and not a very good solution.
Anyway, with a war on there will be new prisoners (or old prisoners recaptured),
So they need to keep a prison of some description.
The previously mentioned idea of using goblins is good so I would suggest:
Keep Azkaban and then hire in security goblins, but also have a small staff of Ministry wizards for further security.
Another devious idea could be to keep Azkaban running, but open a top secret high-security prison at a new location for the sole purpose of holding Voldermorts supporters so as Voldermort would hopefully not know where his captured followers are held.
He could attack Azkaban, but it would be risky and he would come off empty-handed.

Good Idea, Azkaban could be a decoy. The important prisioners could be stashed away underground in Gringgotts, under dragon guard

[hesdead-dealwithit]

I have a strange feeling that the goblins won't want to take sides. Just from what we've heard about them so far, they seem to be pretty shady. They don't seem to be "good" or "evil." Because of that, I find it hard to believe that the goblins would guard prisoners from the war, whether in Azkaban, Gringotts, or anywhere else.

[Dedalus Diggle]

Let's see - how about moving the quintapeds to patrol the area around the walls. They prefer to eat humans, so escape would be problematic. Of course that leaves flying as an escape. Dragons would be good for that. And just to be extra sure - use the Time Room at the Department of Mysteries to turn them all either into babies or extremely aged seniors.

[moving_bush]

I think that all the prisoners were released and are going to join the side of LV

[GryffindorSeeker]

Well, some of the prisoners are probably to insane from the dementors to do any fighting, I would think. Maybe there are some ministry officials that are keeping an eye on them.

[hesdead-dealwithit]

You would think that the prisoners have to be brought out, because otherwise the war would be won too easily. But at the same time, I have a hard time picturing them being released - Fudge has already said that they have revolted, and it seems that reading between the lines the dementors have been working for LV ever since the priosners originally escaped - months and months ago. So I don't think the dementors can possibly be the guards again, so I think that the people they probably will use as a replacement will very hard to defeat. Especially on an inpenetrable rock in the ocean.

[[Pretty]_[Unicorn]]

I would suggest goblins. I mean they guard Gringotts and have never failed except in Harry's first year. Goblins are sinister looking than regular wizards. The Ministry knows that having the wizards guard the jail will hold the jail loosely because they can be corrupted or just besieged. Goblins seem to hold true but gold makes their heads spin so bribing them would be very easy.

I think the Ministry will look for something like a dementor but this time something that they will have better control over.


Also anyone know how i can check how many posts i've made. It seems that the number of posts that was under your name is gone.

[hesdead-dealwithit]

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Also anyone know how i can check how many posts i've made. It seems that the number of posts that was under your name is gone.
Click on Search and search for posts by you in the proper forums.

[Alastor D]

Here is a theory for those who believe that character names are foreshadoving:
The prisoners will be put in chains and Kingsley Shacklebolt will be in charge.

But why isn't this moved to the Hall of prophesy?

[Weatherby]

I think the goblin idea is a good one.
Or they could curse the place as they do in Gringotts. But instead of jinixing those trying to get inside they jinx those trying to get out.

[Jaded_Wanderer]

Vampires are allies of Voldie's now too, aren't they? Coz if they're not, then what about them? Plenty of fresh blood from attempted escapees, & for psychic vampires (they're supposed to feed on people's emotions....if they exist in the HP world) there would be an absolute smorgasboard....

[Field]

This might seem quite harsh but I think they should just kill all the death eaters, i mean there obviously guilty and they have shown that by breaking out and breaking into the MoM, there isnt a really efficient way for guarding them either, why not just kill them off so they don't cause anymore trouble? i Mean take it from a point of view if you were in the order of the pheonix. There going to break out somehow for sure, and your obviously going to have to duel them later on and they might kill your loved ones, it would be pretty logical IMO to just kill them before they cause anymore crimes.

[Alcina]

This might seem quite harsh but I think they should just kill all the death eaters, i mean there obviously guilty and they have shown that by breaking out and breaking into the MoM, there isnt a really efficient way for guarding them either, why not just kill them off so they don't cause anymore trouble? I mean take it from a point of view if you were in the order of the pheonix. There going to break out somehow for sure, and your obviously going to have to duel them later on and they might kill your loved ones, it would be pretty logical IMO to just kill them before they cause anymore crimes.

There's the same problem here that there is in the real world; how can you be sure that someone is actually a DE (in a world with memory charms and the Imperius, especially)? This poses a moral problem with the idea of killing people just because you think they are probably a DE.

There seem to be problems with most of the solutions proposed here:
Goblins are of dubious loyalty and may be more loyal to gold than the Ministry.
Imperius can be thrown off, especially after a prolonged period of time. Plus which, we don't know much about how Imperius works, but I imagine it's quite an effort on the person casting it to maintain it and keep issuing commands to the criminal in question.

Seems to me the best solution would be wizards, though how you'd make sure they were trustworthy is anyone's guess....

[umbridgeroks]

maybe there wont be any1 2 guard azkaban. in book 3 prof. flitwick taught the hogwarts doors 2 recognise sirius black and im sure dumbledore cud cum up wiv a charm or sumthin 2 guard azkaban?!

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[deadlocked]

I dont think the goblins would be weak against bribes because if they are found out they will be in azkaban(If that is where they go.)

[Jill]

I don't think there going to need guards at Azkaban prison because the prisoners could escape with the help of the dementors, if that is what Voldemort asks of them.

I think that all the inmates could join the DE as additions to Voldemorts army as they will come in handy once the war starts. There are already DE in Azkaban so it is possible that they have already rallied together the inmates and the dementors are on Voldemorts side, doing his bidding. That makes the rallying just that little easier.

So I don't think Azkaban will need gaurding as there will be no inmates to guard. :)

[Comrade Duke]

I don't think there going to need guards at Azkaban prison because the prisoners could escape with the help of the dementors, if that is what Voldemort asks of them.

I think that all the inmates could join the DE as additions to Voldemorts army as they will come in handy once the war starts. There are already DE in Azkaban so it is possible that they have already rallied together the inmates and the dementors are on Voldemorts side, doing his bidding. That makes the rallying just that little easier.

So I don't think Azkaban will need gaurding as there will be no inmates to guard. :)

Regardless of how many there are now, there will be more.
Due to the kind of warfare I predict (Guerrilla) capturing prisoners will be one of the most effective ways to gain information about the movements of Voldermorts forces and the activities that they plan.
So prisoners will be captured when possible and interrogated.
You could simply execute them afterwards when you’re done with them, but it may be desirable to keep them, and to prevent them rejoining their master.
That’s why putting them somewhere unexpected would be a good idea.
If Voldermort can't find them, he can't get them.
There is always the chance he could find out the location of his captured forces either through intelligence gathering, or through capturing prisoners of his own, so wherever the prisoners are held, they should be guarded by a loyal and capable guard force ready to keep prisoners in, and would be rescuers out.

Gringots could be an idea, convert empty vaults into prison cells.
It has the advantage of being an already established complex with already installed security measures and very tough units (Goblins) to watch over.
But as pointed out, Gingots has been broken into in the past by an agent of Voldermort so perhaps security would have to be upped.

Anyway, even in times of war there will still be petty (and not so petty) criminals out there who will commit crimes unrelated to Voldermort.
They need to be punished, and since Voldermort should have very little interest in breaking them out (except perhaps to cause more problems to the Ministry of Magic) using an already known prison establishment such as Azkaban should be fine.
Use some nasty magical beasties that should have no reason to defect under the control of a skeleton crew of wizards/witches (don't want to tie up too many forces) and things should be absolutely spiffy.

[Skylark]

This could be completely off topic....but....isn't some of the terror and horror associated with Azkaban due to the effects of the Dementors??? Without them, how bad can the place be? It's just a muggle prison then....who knows, maybe complete with workout gyms and recesses too.

It's just...the fear...and that's what really acts as a law enforcing mechanism...is that if you do something horrible you don't only go to jail...you meet your worst fears, depressions....you lose your mind, your will to live...even for a short time-that's harrowing. That keeps wizards in line probably...what could replace that? Should it be replaced??

[hesdead-dealwithit]

This could be completely off topic....but....isn't some of the terror and horror associated with Azkaban due to the effects of the Dementors??? Without them, how bad can the place be? It's just a muggle prison then....who knows, maybe complete with workout gyms and recesses too.
The way I see it, it is Alcatraz with dementors. The names are similar, even. So while the main reason you would think Azkaban is so bad is because of the dementors, it's not all them. No one loved Alcatraz, and I have a feeling that Azkaban without the dementors wouldn't be too nice either.

[Skylark]

true true....but, ****, I'm too much a goody two shoes to know anything about prison life... :grumble:

[hesdead-dealwithit]

Well, I think you should break the law in some way and come back and tell us what it's like.

[Tonks08]

They could use Aragog and his spidery friends ;) lol.

On a more serious note...
They could use Griffins... they're good at gaurding stuff, (pretty sure about that) i cant find my Magical Beasts and where to find them at the moment though.

[Alastor D]

Good at guarding stuff, yes but people? They feed on raw meat. I'm afraid there isn't very much wildlife on that island, nor pastures for livestock....

[SnorkackCatcher]

The way I see it, it is Alcatraz with dementors. The names are similar, even. So while the main reason you would think Azkaban is so bad is because of the dementors, it's not all them. No one loved Alcatraz, and I have a feeling that Azkaban without the dementors wouldn't be too nice either.

Yup, the demenors seem like a recent addition. Assuming they've had a wizard prison for a long time, it's got to be loaded with spells to prevent people using magic to break out.

As a temporary measure I'm sure they're using Aurors; in fact longer term I can't really see a good alternative. I'd assume that Azkaban is only for serious crimes though - a sentence there with the dementors as guards amounted to torture.

[Medroso]

How-a-bout putting all of the prisoners into a long sleep. The potion would be given or forced down their gullets and the amount given would determine how long they’d sleep for. The people who’d committed petty crimes and were sentenced to maybe a year in prison would be given a light dose. They’d wake up when they’d done their time and would be free. Now the Death Eaters could be put to sleep forever, they’d never wake up. Hence they wouldn’t be able to escape since they’d be unconscious and you wouldn’t need guards to keep people from escaping, just guards to keep people form getting in and rescuing them.

Simple donch’a think?
:cool: :D

[Serpentine]

The Aurors will be too busy to fight and capture Death Eaters, I doubt they can guard Azkaban too. But I like the idea of umbridgeroks (doors charmed to recognize people, like in PoA against Sirius). :tu: A Draught of Living Death would be a solution as well, but only if that there's an antidote available if the convicted turns out to be innocent or guilty to a lesser extent. As for vampires, I don't know we've been told about their loyalties yet, so an alliance of the vampires to Voldemort is just an assumption so far.

But honestly, I don't quite see why it seems to be taken as a fact that goblins are greedy and easy to bribe. They have all the gold they could ever want in the vaults of Gringott's, nobody could get it out without their help. Why should they be bribed by gold then? :huh:

Granting them equal rights with wizards seems to be a better way to win them over, they seem to be keen on more rights (see goblin rebellions). And seeing that they are tough fighters able to fend for themselves, I can see them taking over as Azkaban guards as soon as they're convinced that Dumbledore has better conditions to offer than Voldemort. Apparently Bill Weasley is already working on that, along with Griselda Marchbanks contacting her "suspicious goblin groups". Heehee, now with eleven Death Eaters back in Azkaban they'll jump at the chance to get back at the DEs who killed that goblin family... :elaugh:

[thinkpink38]

Yeah, because the dementors just recently began gaurding Azkaban, there had to have been someone or something else guarding it. Perhaps, like many of you have stated, they put tough spells on the prison, that which would restrain the prisoners from escaping. But regardless of who is guarding the prison, if they have no wands, how would they escape, if it's just them and the cell, there is no means of escaping.

[RubberSoul]

I'm not sure about the putting the prisoners into a long sleep idea. That would be no punishment - it would like hibernation. The whole point of prison is taken away if they don't even realize that they're imprisoned.


Either that or the house-elfs could take over control of Azkaban as Lucious was no match for Dobby and I would not he was poor at magic.
That's an idea. They're loyal (most of them) and have the ability to overpower wizards. Size is no guarantee of weakness.

[Picko]

I'm inclined to think we'll just have wizards as they should be able to keep the prisoners under control just like muggle guards do on muggle prisons. I also don't mind the House-Elf option, that would be sort of ironic to say the least :D

[Luna27]

Good question...I'm guessing Aurors will guard Azkaban. I don't think the goblins would do it...they seem to be money-minded creatures. Either way, an outbreak will surely occur early in book 6.

[Pumpkin Juice]

Maybe they'll get house elves to guard the prison. After the way Dobby handled Lucius, looks like they're pretty powerful little creatures and not to be messed with - which is probably why they were enslaved and conditioned to be the way they are - so they wouldn't be a threat to wizards and witches.

So that's one possibility. Or maybe other creatures such as centaurs.

Or most likely, other wizards and witches will do the job. I would imagine that imprisoned wizards and witches without their wands stand little chance to prison guards who have wands. Unless you're just so extremely powerful you don't need a wand like Dumbledore and Voldemort. But the liklihood you could capture one of those kind alive is highly unlikely. It would be more likely you'd have to kill them because you could never imprison them.

[Cat]

Unless you're just so extremely powerful you don't need a wand like Dumbledore and Voldemort.


Even Dumbledore and Voldemort need wands, otherwise they wouldn't use wands at all.

Anyway, I think it would be best if wizards and witches guarded Azkaban. It's not meant to be a place to dump unwanted creatures. Wizards and witches could do it perfectly well. The criminals are, presumably, all human too so it would only be fair. But without wands they would be useless against the guards.

But that begs the question of what will happen to the Dementors. Clearly they can't stay in Azkaban, but they can't be allowed to roam the streets!

[Pumpkin Juice]

Even Dumbledore and Voldemort need wands, otherwise they wouldn't use wands at all.
They don't need a wand to do all the things they can do. How exactly did Voldemort possess Harry's body like that? There was no flick of a wand.

Yes, they still do use wands for some things, but they have such a powerful magic that there are things most wizards and witches can't do that they don't do with a wand.

[padfootgrim]

hmm interesting... dragons sounds plausible.. what about sphinxes? or griffins?

[Cat]

I don't understand why most people think creatures or a different species should guard Azkaban rather than humans. Humans with no magic can guard ordinary prisons. So humans with magic should be capable of guarding magical prisons.

They don't need a wand to do all the things they can do. How exactly did Voldemort possess Harry's body like that? There was no flick of a wand.

Yes, they still do use wands for some things, but they have such a powerful magic that there are things most wizards and witches can't do that they don't do with a wand.

But there are different kinds of magic. Some can apparently be done without a wand, some can't. They even use wands for some simple spells so it's not just a power thing.

[Luna27]

Yeah...I think all wizards have the capability PumpkinJuice is speaking about to some extent. But I think she's right that Dumbledore and Voldermort can probably pull off more complicated magic without a wand. I'm just thinking back to the first book when Harry recounts several odd occurences. The first when Dudley and his friends are chasing him and he just thinks how he wants to get away from them and he ends up on the schoolroof. Then there was the thing with his hair growing overnight...not to mention blowing up Aunt Marge in PoA. And in PoA when he's running to the locked room under the staircase to get his trunk...the door just explodes open magically because he needs it to. He didn't have his wand or anything, and he didn't say a spell, but his emotions were so high that the door seemingly burst open for him. I think it's like wizards and witches have innate power and the wand just helps them harness it or concentrate on doing a particular thing. Maybe it's just sheer willpower.

I'm with Cat though...witches and wizards should guard Azkaban. (I suggested Aurors earlier). I mean...didn't the MoM learn it's lesson with the dementors? They jumped ship at the first opportunity. Non-wizards/witches have been treated unjustly to an extent...or thought of as 'half-breeds' etc. The odds of Voldie coming up with a more desirable position is high with a group that has no real loyalty to the wizarding community.

[Cat]

[COLOR=MediumTurquoise]Yeah...I think all wizards have the capability PumpkinJuice is speaking about to some extent. But I think she's right that Dumbledore and Voldermort can probably pull off more complicated magic without a wand. I'm just thinking back to the first book when Harry recounts several odd occurences. The first when Dudley and his friends are chasing him and he just thinks how he wants to get away from them and he ends up on the schoolroof. Then there was the thing with his hair growing overnight...not to mention blowing up Aunt Marge in PoA. And in PoA when he's running to the locked room under the staircase to get his trunk...the door just explodes open magically because he needs it to. He didn't have his wand or anything, and he didn't say a spell, but his emotions were so high that the door seemingly burst open for him. I think it's like wizards and witches have innate power and the wand just helps them harness it or concentrate on doing a particular thing. Maybe it's just sheer willpower.


That was lack of control causing the magic to sort of burst out. It doesn't mean that more powerful people can do their magic wandless. Maybe certain spells can be performed without the use of a wand, but the wand seems to channel the magic properly in most cases. It doesn't seem to be about how powerful you are and I don't think the wand is meant to be the equivalent of a set of training wheels.

Time for a quote from J. K. Rowling?
You can do unfocused and uncontrolled magic without a wand (for instance when Harry blows up Aunt Marge) but to do really good spells, yes, you need a wand.

- Comic Relief chat, March 2001.


I'm not sure about Aurors being prison guards. They already have a job. The prison guards might have to be a bit like Aurors, but Aurors are more like a police force.

[Luna27]

I didn't say that they can go around doing everything without a wand...I meant that it's possible that wizards have raw power, particularly when emotions are high, and they can cause certain things to happen. I don't think wands are useless. But a prison cell only has a little lock. Unless they do some serious updating of the prison. I know security wasn't too high before because the dementors kept everyone in check. Anyway, all it takes is for one death eater to break out of his cell and hit a guard and take his wand. I suggest Aurors simply because they seem to have specialized training against the dark arts, and if need be they can be given the permission to perform spells that the general wizarding world can't. I can't remember, but maybe there is a level of authority below Aurors that can be used. I guess they could make a taskforce or something...but that seems like it would take some time to set up. I don't think they can just drop people in and expect them to be able to guard death eaters as cunning as Malfoy. But, if Fudge is still in charge he might do something that idiotic.

[Alastor D]

I'm not sure about Aurors being prison guards. They already have a job. The prison guards might have to be a bit like Aurors, but Aurors are more like a police force.

As it seems the MoM has relied on dementors too long to have any ready trained personnel for this, aurors may be the best choise anyway.

Or perhaps they should send in a bunch of obliviators to make the prisoners completely unaware of their criminal backgriunds? :evil:

[Lil Red Head]

It's entirely possible that Azkaban was founded only after the first war, to hold Death Eaters. Most of the very famous incidents we hear about in History of Magic classes are minor (well, except the Goblin Rebellion) are comparatively mild next to the atrocities perpetrated by Death Eaters. Anybody have any evidence that Azkaban was founded a long time ago?


Well, we know that Azkaban was around when Lily was in school, which would be before the 1st war really got started. Petunia shudders and makes comments when it's brought up. I got the impression that Azkaban had been around for a while.

I don't know why, but I got the impression that Azkaban hadn't always been guarded by the Dememtors. I do find the house-elf idea intersting. They are powerful, and it would be a different line of work, but they could still consider themselves enslaved if necessary.

[Discordia]

That's a very good question. The dementors are gone so I don't see why they just can't use magic. I'm sure there's a really powerful spell to do the trick.

[Picko]

Or perhaps they should send in a bunch of obliviators to make the prisoners completely unaware of their criminal backgriunds? :evil:

And that would be the best suggestion I've heard :D

But it makes you wonder why they don't.

[Discordia]

Or perhaps they should send in a bunch of obliviators to make the prisoners completely unaware of their criminal backgriunds? :evil:


Oh, you knwo they've probably got humanitarian reasons for it. I mean they can use demetors suck the sould out of someone but I guess they feel better going to sleep at night knowing that atlease the prisoners of Azkaban have some bit of there minds left. If was the minister of magic I'd have gotten Bellatrix a long time ago. Actually I'd have killed her myself and let her rot in hell. God knows she could do with a little roasting:evil: But alas we can't always get what we want in life.

[Nys]

But hasn't it been said that memory charms can be removed by a powerful enough wizard, this is what happened to Bertha Jorkins (I think that was her last name). All they need is a 'baddy' on the outside to remove this memory charm, and they're all bad again.

[lemondrop]

I don't think working in Azkaban would be too appealing to most wizards. They would have to pay them alot.

How about Security Trolls? Wasn't Hermione checking out a pamphlet on working with security trolls? They were used to guard the Fat Lady and rumor had it that Umbridge was using them to guard Harry's broom.

[FreckledApples]

ok ill post this here...

the first thing i thought of was trolls, but then i was like 'aren't they stupid?' and now i've come up with something! House Elves!! ok we already know they have magical powers of their own. but we don't know how powerful. i believe their powers are very strong, because if they weren't dobby wouldn't be able to apperate into hogwarts. i think if S.P.E.W. or something like it really takes off, then house elves will be the new guards of azkaban. i dont think it would be aurors because they need them out on the streets fighting the free death eaters. and if you think about it humans are not reliable at all magical creatures would be best. this is because if they set wizerds up then they would be WAY to easy to overcome, especially if a death eater is attacking them because they have dark magic...

[smartypants]

Azkaban ws certainly magically protected in many various ways before. Some creatures may have been used, but srely most of the ways to make sure nobody broke out was magical.

Many of these protections was probably removed or neglected when the Dementors became guards, since with the Dementors you hardly need walls. :)

[Prof.Blink]

I think the best solution is to hire the goblins to guard Askaban: they have years of security experience in Gringotts, they have capital to invest, they have dragons and complicated vaults to convert the cells, they are famed for their fierceness and the make their military hardware (remember Hagrid's unbreakable helment for the giants). They have curse breaking experts (so they know tricks to open traps and stuff)Speaking of Hagrid, he could sell them a batch of blastendedskrewts and maybe Fluffy (with ear plugs). I really like this idea. I think this is quite a good solution, assuming of course, that they are not in any way bribed or blackmailed.

Maybe, the wizards could just give the prisoners a potion for enchanted sleep. I think i remember snape saying something about not making it too strong because the drinker may never wake up. They could just make it strong enough to keep them asleep until the war is over, and in the meantime have them guarded either by wizards or creatures. That way they cannot escape. :scared:

[Barbara Kennedy]

I really like this idea. I think this is quite a good solution, assuming of course, that they are not in any way bribed or blackmailed.

Maybe, the wizards could just give the prisoners a potion for enchanted sleep. I think i remember snape saying something about not making it too strong because the drinker may never wake up. They could just make it strong enough to keep them asleep until the war is over, and in the meantime have them guarded either by wizards or creatures. That way they cannot escape. :scared:
To do that they would have to know precisely how long the war would last and who would win.
I don't think there are any Seers out there that are accurate enough to give either side that information.

[jen15poms]

Maybe, the wizards could just give the prisoners a potion for enchanted sleep. I think i remember snape saying something about not making it too strong because the drinker may never wake up. They could just make it strong enough to keep them asleep until the war is over, and in the meantime have them guarded either by wizards or creatures. That way they cannot escape. :scared:

I like the idea about the goblins...and also this one about the enchanted sleep! I think that would be a very effective way of keeping prisoners under control until the war is over and the dementors are brought back under the control of the Ministry (if they even decide to use the dementors again...maybe they will also be destroyed)

[hermy_weasley2]

I don't think anyone will guarding Azkaban for a while. As far as the wizard prison is concerned, I think we're looking at a period of chaos. From what we've seen with Sirius's and Crouch Jr,'s escapes, the system has never been perfect anyway. Althoug, it is possible that there were enchantments all over the place.

[RadicaL]

I'm curious if there are spells placed on Azkaban's walls as they are on Hogwarts'. The spells on Hogwarts protect the students so they should place spells on Azkaban to protect it as they have done on Hogwarts. The only way Voldemort communicated to his Death Eaters who were behind bars or even took control of the dementors was telepathically I think or else he must've shown up in person but I think the latter didn't happen because Voldy was trying to keep a low cover so nobody would think that he is alive. An example of that would be when he showed up at the MoM and he even said that he didn't mean to show up but under the circumstances he did. So under pressure he did reveal himself but I don't think he was under much pressure when trying to get his Death Eaters out. He obviously knew that he could perform without any interference. So coming back to my point, if they had spells on the walls to have no one mess with the prisoners' minds, maybe the escape of the Death Eaters would have been delayed or had never happened-along with the dementors.

[Prof.Blink]

I'm glad you liked my idea jen15poms but i think Barbara is right. That didn't occur to me. :shrug: Well, i suppose you could give the prisoners the potion on a regular basis until the war is over. But then again, this plan isn't fool proof. LV could just wake them up somehow, and then escape.

[pepperimp]

I really think they might use dragons --

* Fudge did consider using dragons to guard Hogwarts after the dementors proved ineffective. Plus everyone (with the exceptiong of Hagrid) is scared by them...

* You couldn't have dragons running rampant in the prison, however. So they'd have wizards to keep them from murdering everyone... this means Charlie might have a postion good for spying!

[smartypants]

That would indeed be a very typically JKR-ish development. :)

[Adrelamas]

Taking of on someone elses idea of using Azkaban as a diversion, why not tell everyone you are putting the prisoners recently recaptured back into Azkaban. Even make it look like you're beefing up security, since the loss of the Dementors. (Remember, the reason the Dementors follow Voldemort is because he lets them 'feast' on more people then just wretched criminals.) Then, instead, quietly hide them away at the safest place in the wizarding world. Which is... Hogwarts!

Yes, it has it's risks, but with Dumbledore there, and the teaching staff, you have a practically built in 'guard force'. No one would really expect it, and as long as it was kept EXTREMELY secret... perhaps make Dumbledore the Secret Keeper for it, as well?... you'd have all those bad folk pretty much well locked up... behind non-apparation spells, hordes of house elves, not to mention so many OTHER things as well.

[OmarGama]

I think that only witches and Wizards will guard the prison.

[CentaurFirenze]

nahh to risky for the student's if you ask me
either Dumbledore or the MoM would disapprove
probably Dumbledore, he's always thinking about those students.

[Ayden]

I don't think there going to need guards at Azkaban prison because the prisoners could escape with the help of the dementors, if that is what Voldemort asks of them.

I think that all the inmates could join the DE as additions to Voldemorts army as they will come in handy once the war starts. There are already DE in Azkaban so it is possible that they have already rallied together the inmates and the dementors are on Voldemorts side, doing his bidding. That makes the rallying just that little easier.

So I don't think Azkaban will need gaurding as there will be no inmates to guard. :)

that's pretty much what i think. There won't be anyone to guard for one thing....and Voldemort has already proven that breaking into Azkaban is not that hard. One of the first things he did when he came back was free his deatheaters from Azkaban. And he DID come back....which isn't exactly an easy thing to do. He has throngs of people that are still loyal to him. there are only about two people who still stand a chance against him Dumbledore and Harry. Even those two can't keep him from breaking into Azkaban if he wants to. The only creatures that would be able to do anything against him are on his side....unless Hagrid convinces some Giants to be on their side, but if the good people had giants...why would they waste them watching a bunch of criminals. Magic can't work well on Giants, and once they pick a side, i believe they will have piced their side, and won't change over...but i dunno..yeah i'm not very sure here though. who knows what will happen. I guess we'll just have to wait and see...

[springthing4]

maybe the ministry will hire new people to guard them, or maybe they have a new beast to guard the prison. Or all the prisoners could just escape!

[Da_Chinkster]

lol no they wont just let them escape but they have to have some sort of beast guarding it. There will be more people escaping though without the dementors

[Nymphadora*]

I don't know, but the way things are going, Voldemort just broke out a lot of people out of Azkaban. The Dementors obviously knew about it. They will possibly rejoin Voldemort, and Voldemort's followers will be with Voldemort. The majority of the prisoners are there because of having alligences with Voldemort, so i think that the Dementors will stay, and keep a 'false' watch on the prison, making it look like they are guarding it, but they are really not. However, the MOM will soon know if the Dementors are not doing their jobs because more breakouts will occur, even if hardly anyone goes to Azkabanto check up on it. But eventually they will know.

[Alastor D]

As the dementors already left Azkaban, it's hard to imagine even Fudge believing them if they came back saying they want to be in the service of MoM after all.

[red_fairy]

I think they will have to have some of the aurors be guards. There really isn't a magical species that we know about that would willingly guard the prison. (Hmmm...maybe House elves. Just Kidding!) I'd say a sphinx would work, since one was used in the Triwizard tournement, but that could have been Hagrid cashing in a favor. I think that they will have to use aurors.

[Selyr Black]

I'm assuming more Aurors would be assigned to the Azkaban prison. The security wouldn't be as good as that of the Dementors, but I'm sure that they could put Anti-(dis)apparation charms on the entire place, or some other item. (Much like Hogwarts.)

If I remember correctly as well, the entire prison is on an island at sea, which would make it hard to escape in that fashion. Also, it's assumed (hopefully) that they would keep the wizards' wands in a seperate location from that location which the Azkaban prisoners are kept.

I also assume there are different cell blocks in the prison, Permanent, Semi-Permanent, and Holding, etc. The security in these different sections would be different.

There are charms that would of course be already put into place.

[atherella]

Bumping this thread.

With LV back in power, and the dementors on his side, the guarding of Azkaban is going to be very important in the upcoming two books. The dementors were obviously a very powerful guard force, as no one had ever escaped until Sirius. Now that there is a new batch of DEs in Azkaban, it wouldn't be much fun if Lucius and gang get right out of Azkaban. That actually doesn't seem too likely since JKR said we will be seeing more of Narcissa now that her hubby is locked up, which seems to imply that he'll be there for awhile.

The aurors are an idea, but, it seems that with all those "convicts", that they'd be able to overtake a huge group of DEs.

[verywierdperson]

I think they will just shut down the Azkaban prison for a while because Voldemort can easily break into azakaban and release the prisoners. The ministry will probably build a new top secret prison no one knows about to keep the newly captured death eater.

[sneff]

i dont think that they will shut down azkaban because there are people in there that are not death eaters and they will need to keep some sort of justice system and somewhere that they can keep other death eaters that they catch, if they manage to.

[yarddog1]

I like the iea of a dragon guard. But i think that the new guard will be one of the creatures Luna has mentioned. Probably Heliopaths.

[Danluver182]

there probably won't be many left in there after Voldie breaks everyone out anyways. But for now probably other witches and wizards. Not as effective but what else can they do? Maybe a new creature we havn't heard of.

[SnorkackCatcher]

Well, you never know, the Ministry might take the opportunity to make Azkaban a prison as opposed to a torture chamber ... I'm with Dumbledore on this one, the presence of the Dementors there as guards makes Abu Ghraib look like a holiday camp.

The most likely solution short-term is just to station lots of Aurors there, as presumably the place also has plenty of wards on it to prevent anyone getting in or out by Apparation, Portkey etc. And the prisoners don't have access to wands (I remember Sirius saying "I had no hope of driving them [the Dementors] away from me without a wand").

[caindo]

THE BLAST-ENDED SKREWTS! LOL I'm just joshing. Though that would be quite entertaining.

[RemusLupinFan]

I agree the most likely form of guarding Azkaban will have is to bring in the Aurors to keep watch over the prisoners. Aurors are probably the most qualified wizards to keep tabs on the prisoners.

But I also like the idea of having dragons guard it as well. If this happens, it might bring Charlie Weasley into the story a bit more than he has been so far, since the dragons would definitely need looking after. Dragons are such large and dangerous creatures that the prisoners would have virtually no chance of getting past them, especially without a wand.

[yarddog1]

They probable will close down Azkaban, but only for a short time. Not even half a book. after it reopens they will have a multitude of things guarding it. Probably a few wizards. Maybe dragons, trolls, maybe some giants if they can get some, and other dangurous creatures. and like i said before probable something Luna has mentioned.

It would be cool if they had Blast Ended Skrewts

[SnorkackCatcher]

The trouble with trying to use dragons, manticores, chimaeras or whatever as watchcreatures would be that they're completely untrainable, and just as much a danger to the (human) guards as to the prisoners. At least it was apparently possible to talk to the Dementors, and get them to follow orders (usually).

[yarddog1]

They dont have to have human guards there though.

[nandu]

I think using the house elves is a plausable solution. It is constantly said they have powerful magic of their own but can't use it without their masters permission. hogwarts has over 100 house elves so they could be used. If that dosn't work feed them to a Nandu.

[SnorkackCatcher]

They dont have to have human guards there though.No, but they really should have intelligent guards there - if you station (for example) dragons around the place, they might try to eat any prisoner they see loose, but they aren't going to be watching the prisoners closely to see if they're planning something. And someone would have to feed the convicts (and the dragons), come to think of it.

In which context, the house-elves idea actually sounds rather plausible now I think about it. They do seem to have a number of powerful magical abilities (such as Apparating in and out of places with anti-disapparation wards on them, and blasting full-grown wizards without even needing a wand). They actually enjoy working long hours. They'd be happy to look after the prisoners. But if they're bound to the prison and the orders of its "owner" (presumably the Minister of Magic) they wouldn't be able to let themselves be talked into letting them escape. (That crosses over into the topic of whether house-elves should be treated that way, but I don't suppose anyone in the Ministry is going to care about that much.)

On the other hand, they don't seem to be that common (Hogwarts has the most of any British dwelling, and that's only 100 or so), and I don't suppose many of their current owners would give them up. Interesting idea though, isn't it?

[C8H10N4O2]

I believe they have to be usin aurors, as they are the only ones who could possible repel an attack -- although, they didn't in OotP. So if it wasn't aurors before OotP, it probably will be now.

[Nicole]

I have to wonder which prisoners are still in Azkaban. I hope we can assume that Sturgis Podmore served his time and was released (sentenced to six months for trespass and attempted robbery--article in Daily Prophet printed in September; trespass occurred 31 Aug.), although we did not see him return to the Order. If the dementors "revolted", did they kiss anyone/everyone? They are currently believed to be "taking direction from Lord -- Thingy." Wouldn't V give them orders to release only those who can be used for his cause? Wouldn't surprise me if V told them to kiss the others (if he has any doubt about their usefulness/loyalty). We know that Fudge put at least two innocent men in Azkaban without trials: Sirius and Hagrid. We are not told of others, but....well, we all know how JKR is with clues/hints/foreshadowing.


I waded through all the posts on this thread and have to disagree with Centaurs as guards because they want nothing to do with the humans (count Firenze as the only known exception and the rest are not going to accept him as any type of ambassador or arbitrator). I agree that Goblins, in general, are too easy to bribe--unless some way can be found to recruit them to the good side (a way to demonstrate that it is in their best interests). House-elves sound like the best suggestion so far, but the point that they are tied to their houses/owners makes them difficult to recruit for the job. (There can't be many house-elves outside of Hogwarts, can there? They are found in old wizarding families--think pureblood--and there aren't many of those left. I wonder how house-elves reproduce if they can't leave the house. They obviously have some method, Winky mentions her mother, Kreacher's ancestors have their heads on the walls of Grimmauld Place. How fast do they grow up? How quickly do they learn their magic? We have not been given enough info by JKR at this point. I did notice that they are not mentioned in Fantastic Beasts (not even in the section where any magical creature who could speak an intelligible language was invited to a council), and have to assume that they are somehow controlled by the Department for the Regulation and Control of Magical Creatures. Can that Dept. declare something like martial law to use house-elves?
The point about wizards needing a wand to break out--if a 13 year old can break open locks without one, others potentially have the power. The dementors suck out hope--hope of escape, and I think that, along with loss of a sense of self and the horrible pictures/thoughts they cause, was what kept any prisoners from blowing the locks (plus many just may not be powerful enough no matter how high the emotion).
I think the real question should be, "Will the dementors be staying at Azkaban or going out to terrorize the world?" If they stay, it looks like an incredibly tough (and probably pointless) fight to take back Azkaban. If they leave, I don't think the prisoners who remain will be worth incarcerating--V will need cannon fodder for his army, too, and will no doubt recruit any who may be useful to him. That leaves only the recently captured DE's--it wasn't stated anywhere that they had been sent to Azkaban (just prison). Fudge's statement to the Daily Prophet was made the same night as their capture, would he be stupid enough to send the DE's to Azkaban knowing the dementors had revolted?
Dumbledore is too protective of his students to allow DE's to be incarcerated at Hogwarts (although I rather like the idea of imprisoning them in the Chamber of Secrets--none of them speak Parseltongue according to Tom Riddle's statements; gives a reason for V to attack Hogwarts to free them). The Ministry has been shown to be vulnerable (or can we put them in the room behind the door that is always kept locked?). Everyone currently working for the ministry is going to be very busy putting out info on how to fight/defend against dementors and Death Eaters, gathering info about V and Co., adding security measures for places under threat of attack (Ministry, Hogwarts, the Minister's home, etc.), and tracking down V and Co. The only magical creatures I can think of for new guards are house-elves--intelligent enough, powerful enough magic, no desire to eat humans....Maybe Merpeople and/or Kelpies can aid in the retaking of Azkaban (someone mentioned boats), but I have to ask if they exist in saltwater (we have only seen them in the freshwater environments of the Hogwarts lake, the Hogwarts well, and Loch Ness (please correct me if I am wrong about Loch Ness being fresh water, I really do not know that)).
Sorry, very long-winded way to say house-elves would probably make the best guards.

[Lucybird]

Maybe dragons... they were talking about placing dragons in front of Hogwarts at the end of OOTP... Why did that never happen?

[soccergoddess24]

well if the centaur's weren't so STUCK UP, i'd say let's ask them! :tu:

*and i was just wondering,why didn't the MoM give the dementors permission to kiss all the DE's when they had the chance?!?!?!!*:sigh:

i guess it all leads back to if JKR used the "easy ways out" we wouldn't have the books! :)

[DragonBlk17]

I think that they will use a creature like a centaur or a dragon to guard Azkaban. They look like tough creatures to handle!

[soccergoddess24]

centaur's wouldn't agree to do OUR WORK!:grumble:

[Lucybird]

well if the centaur's weren't so STUCK UP, i'd say let's ask them! :tu:

*and i was just wondering,why didn't the MoM give the dementors permission to kiss all the DE's when they had the chance?!?!?!!*:sigh:

i guess it all leads back to if JKR used the "easy ways out" we wouldn't have the books! :)

Maybe because it's preety inhumane... people might protest if all DEs were given the kiss without a chance to redemm themselves

[DragonBlk17]

centaur's wouldn't agree to do OUR WORK!:grumble:

They're too loyal with their work too help out the humans!:lol:

[SnorkackCatcher]

That leaves only the recently captured DE's--it wasn't stated anywhere that they had been sent to Azkaban (just prison).Draco Malfoy implied they'd been sent to Azkaban, which must have other magical defences other than what the Dementors provided?

'You think you're such a big man, Potter,' said Malfoy, advancing now, Crabbe and Goyle flanking him. 'You wait. I'l have you. You can't land my father in prison -'

'I thought I just had,' said Harry.

'The Dementors have left Azkaban,' said Malfoy quietly. 'Dad and the others'll be out in no time ...'

[Mundungus Fletc]

Remus will become governor with other werewolves as guards. I'm sure there has to be a spell for instant moonlight (ad lunam instans?) if any DE gets out of their cell:evil:

[Lucybird]

They're too loyal with their work too help out the humans!:lol:
But surely they would be at risk from Voldy too? That might persuade them to help if not to guard Azkaban

[Kimmetje]

I think most Aurors will hunt down Death Eater's and try to locate them and help people who were attacked. It seems to me like they are going to be very busy finding Death Eater's and all to not have time to guard Azkaban. I can think of the possibility that like 10 Aurors and 10 other wizards will work together to guard, but no more as half the wizard world is afraid and probably wants protection, and they'll get that from the Aurors.

[atherella]

I think that they will use a creature like a centaur or a dragon to guard Azkaban. They look like tough creatures to handle!

As it's been said, centaurs would never agree to do the 'work' of humans. As for dragons, it's been stated a few times in the books that dragons can't be trained, and JKR even mentions that in an interview. How in the world would they be able to use dragons? How could they keep them in one place and get them to do what they want? Plus, how would anyone get in or out? It's said that Fudge has had to visit Azkaban on occassion, even mentions in PoA that Mr. Weasley had to visit Azkaban on one occassion. How could anyone get past the dragons who are visiting there? I'm not trying to be disrespectful, just wondering how a dragon could possibly be used?

[Lucybird]

Yeah I understand that but if you had people like Charlie on hand too then the dragons could be controlled... or they could use trolls... although I don't think they'd be very good they are too stupid. As for centuers well maybe they would be willing to help if it was good for them maybe if the wizards helpped them to be safe from Voldy

[DragonBlk17]

As it's been said, centaurs would never agree to do the 'work' of humans. As for dragons, it's been stated a few times in the books that dragons can't be trained, and JKR even mentions that in an interview. How in the world would they be able to use dragons? How could they keep them in one place and get them to do what they want? Plus, how would anyone get in or out? It's said that Fudge has had to visit Azkaban on occassion, even mentions in PoA that Mr. Weasley had to visit Azkaban on one occassion. How could anyone get past the dragons who are visiting there? I'm not trying to be disrespectful, just wondering how a dragon could possibly be used?

There has to be a few dragon trainers out there in the wizarding world in my opinion. Maybe they could be trained that way. Like Ron's brother Charlie is good with dragons. But then again maybe you're right.

[Tjokkie]

My question is were the dementors when in place at Azkabhan really sucking any joy from Voldemorts Death Eaters were they then already working for him and just keeping his death eaters safe until he returned?

[atherella]

There has to be a few dragon trainers out there in the wizarding world in my opinion. Maybe they could be trained that way. Like Ron's brother Charlie is good with dragons. But then again maybe you're right.

I'm actually judging more from what JKR said in an interview when asked if Harry would ever get a pet dragon. Here, I should have posted the quote the first time. :)

From a March 2001 interview.
Could Harry have a pet dragon?

JKR - You can't domesticate a dragon whatever Hagrid thinks. That's simply impossible. So no. He's got more sense. He might get a different pet at some point but I'm saying no more at this moment.

I bolded the relevant part for this thread. The other part of the answer leads me off onto another tangent, but, I'll keep quiet in here since it is off topic. :D

[GodricHollow]

Draco Malfoy implied they'd been sent to Azkaban, which must have other magical defences other than what the Dementors provided?

Surely there has to be the same charms as there are on Hogwarts or the prisoners would be able to just disapperate to a safeer location right?

[Lucybird]

I always imagined it surrounded by water but I guess that wouldn't faze wizards

[atherella]

I always imagined it surrounded by water but I guess that wouldn't faze wizards

And right you were!!!! :D
Where is Azkaban?

JKR - In the north of the North Sea. A very cold sea.

[feshnie]

Surely it won't be Centaurs, Giants, Trolls or dragon.
Centaurs would never leave their forest
Giants are too risky. They might eat the prisoners
Trolls are just stupid and stinky. Wonder if any prisoner can survive through their smell
Dragon might as well burn the Prison.

I always imagined it surrounded by water but I guess that wouldn't faze wizards
I guess Lucybird is right. Maybe no one will guard it.

[Lucybird]

But surely wizards can easily get over water?? Maybe they need their wands to do that and I bet there are charms surrounding it to stop people apperating or disapperating. Of course you have to as how the deatheatters got over the water... as they can I suppose any wizard could.

[Tane]

I get a worrying feeling that no one will be in Azkaban to guard as they might all escape but if they do not I think Acromantulas and Manticore. Then again I guess all the wizards that are still in Azkaban could be charmed in a way so that they can not leave, perhaps forget to ever leave the place.

[GodricHollow]

What like a binding charm to keep them in? but then what'd happen when they'd done their time?

[caspeer89]

maybe they should have mrs. norris patrol the prison, and a lot of aurors(forgot the spelling of that :huh: ) mrs. norris can keep an eye on things, she seems pretty good at finding hogwarts students :eyebrows:

[GodricHollow]

Brilliant idea! But then Filtch'd go there and Hogwarts would be without one of the tightest caretakers I've seen.... :upset: :evil: :cool: :eyebrows: :p :sad: :huh:

[Lucybird]

I bet the students would like that! But imagine if the new caretaker was worse *shudder*

[morgan le fay]

I don't think any new creatures will be employed. The Dementors are what made Azkaban what it was - hell. It was a true prison in that it literally would suck your life out, and prisoners ebbed away little by little (except the insane ones, like Bella). Without the Dementors, Azkaban is just an empty shell where depression and darkness were more permeated there than anywhere else. No other creatures currently discussed as candidates for replacement have the ablity that Dementors have, to intangibly affect the human psyche in such a damaging manner. Nothing else will guard Azkaban because nothing else CAN. Fudge has really fudged this one if he loses the Dementors to Voldemort.

[azkaban]

it's true that trolls are stupid and disgusting but there are security trolls, too. remember? umbridge hired one to guard harry's firebolt. and i can't exactly say where but i remember a few more things about security trolls. i mean, they must be mentioned a few more times. anyway, srecurity trolls might be good to guard azkaban? of course, they won't last too long because i'm totally sure that DEs will find out a way to escape from the new guardians.we know that the wizard world will be at war and it won't be a real war if most of DEs stay locked up in azkaban. they'll get to escape somehow but i believe that security trolls might really be helpful until that time.

[atherella]

it's true that trolls are stupid and disgusting but there are security trolls, too. remember? umbridge hired one to guard harry's firebolt. and i can't exactly say where but i remember a few more things about security trolls. i mean, they must be mentioned a few more times. anyway, srecurity trolls might be good to guard azkaban? of course, they won't last too long because i'm totally sure that DEs will find out a way to escape from the new guardians.we know that the wizard world will be at war and it won't be a real war if most of DEs stay locked up in azkaban. they'll get to escape somehow but i believe that security trolls might really be helpful until that time.

The other time we saw security trolls was in PoA after Sirius slashed the Fat Lady's portrait, and then gained entrance after finding Neville's list of passwords. The Fat Lady wouldn't take her post back without protection. So, when Sir Cadagon is replaced by the Fat Lady coming back, she had security trolls, armed with clubs (which they compared to see who's was the largest :lol:) trolling the corridor outside her portrait. I'm not sure if they'd be secure enough to guard Azkaban, but you're right, we have seen them twice guarding 'things'.

[magicatmidnight]

i think it might be security trolls too. it sounds likely, but even more likely is the fact that most of the prisoners will somehow escape. I mean, big V's got control of the dementors now so no more them, and professor umbridge proved that you don't need ministry permission at all times to send out dementors.

[Lucybird]

Maybe... obviously security trolls exist for a reason. Or maybe there is another creature we haven't come across yet that could do the job

[Da_Chinkster]

To me it doesnt really matter who guards Azkaban because the Death Eaters will be out in no time regardless of who guards it. I dont think anything will be as efficient as the dementors were and therefore it'll be easy for LV to break them all out of Azkaban. I do wonder though if LV will punish some or all of them for failing to retrieve the prophecy

[Lucybird]

yes... that's true... maybe they'll chosse to stay there so they don't have to suffer Voldy's punishment!

[Snape_Fan]

i think that azkaban is at the point of closing.becaus of all the break outs.they might come up with a differnt kind of prison who knows.but im pretty shure that dementors wont be in the picture.

[wildchild36]

Well, remember that we don't know how many people are in Azkaban anymore. After Voldemort broke out his followers, that very well could have reduced the number of people in the prison by half or more. Besides, with Voldemort's 'most dangerous supporters' out in the populace, the Ministry could very well decomission Azkaban, move the current prisoners the Auror headquarters in the Ministry, where it's not a personnel burden to keep them.

There are only finite amounts of Aurors, and very likely all of them are going to be used to catch Death Eaters. Assigning them to Azkaban, miles away from anywhere useful, would be tactically insane, but keeping prisoners in Auror headquarters would keep the personnel base near to where they would be needed.

But wouldn't moving the prisoners to the MoM increase the chances of the Ministry being attacked by the prisoners. Think about. These prisoners are porbably pretty mad that Aurors have put them in Azkaban with the Dementors in the first place, and will probably want some type of revenge. And if an Auror isn't careful, their wand can get stolen and the prisoners can stage another mass breakout, this time out of the MoM, bringing more shame onto the English MoM (By shame I mean the whole thing of not "catching" Sirius, the other mass breakout from Azkaban, and the Minister lying for a year about LV coming back to power. Also, not the mention the antics of the free Death Eaters at the World Cup).

[Libertine]

what i'm more concerned about is that now dementors have joined with voldemort, what's to stop them from attacking muggles? muggles have no chance of defending themselves because they don't have magic powers, and there aren't enough aurors to run around protecting muggles from dementors (not to mention modifying their memories after they do).

[Magi]

A combination of Hit Wizards and Aurors, backed up by security trolls, might provide a bandaid solution.

I think in the long term, a dedicated office would have to be established under the Dept of Magical Law Enforcement umbrella for guarding Azkaban. Hogwarts graduates could look forward to shining new career path (although definitely neither glamorous or pleasant).

[Spew Member]

The Dursleys

[AlbusDumbled0re]

I'd say use some hit wizards, security trolls, along with some chimeras, and some big 3 headed dogs like Fluffy would be good.

[Spew Member]

I'd say use some hit wizards, security trolls, along with some chimeras, and some big 3 headed dogs like Fluffy would be good.

And a Hungarian Horntail :tu:

[caindo]

I'd say use some hit wizards, security trolls, along with some chimeras, and some big 3 headed dogs like Fluffy would be good.
And quite a few hippogriffs. Because they're mean when insulted, and you know those people in Akzaban aren't very nice atoll.

[Spew Member]

and a partridge in a pear tree...

[peddlerofdeath]

The Dursleys

Only after they gave Dudley only :gasp: 40 presents for his birthday instead of 42.

OR

After they gave Dudley only one present for Christmas... a tank.

[Spew Member]

Only after they gave Dudley only :gasp: 40 presents for his birthday instead of 42.

OR

After they gave Dudley only one present for Christmas... a tank.


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[caindo]

I cackled insanely at The Dursleys. Do you understand how MISERABLE the people at Azkaban would be!? They'd be worse off than when the dementors were there!

[Magi]

After they gave Dudley only one present for Christmas... a tank.:lol: That may prove highly counter-productive. Azkaban is to be guarded, not destroyed. :D

[Spew Member]

:lol: That may prove highly counter-productive. Azkaban is to be guarded, not destroyed. :D

But Aunt Petunia would clean it all up rather nicely I'm sure (just to make sure none of the neighbors would see) :p

[caindo]

I wonder if the same people that designed Hogwarts (as in... puts spells on it and everything) did the same to Azkaban? Beacuse if they can't apparate, and they actually manage to sneak past the various guards, they'd jump in the water. So I expect that the Giant Squid's familiy member and some merpeople would prevent any escapes.

[Spew Member]

maybe they could do a bubblehead charm like Fleur

[caindo]

But the merpeople were told not to mess w/ the champions. They could be told to drown ANYone that made it into the waters unless it were the Ministry or such. All charms eventually wear off.

[Spew Member]

But the merpeople were told not to mess w/ the champions. They could be told to drown ANYone that made it into the waters unless it were the Ministry or such. All charms eventually wear off.

You're right...They should have an army of HOUSE ELVES!!! That would put them all in their place! (Until one of the criminals asked for a cup of tea or something :huh:)

[caindo]

Kreacher should guard the main gate. He'd have some great insults for the inmates. And maybe manage to pry Sirius' mum's portrait off of the wall to put there. THAT would put some people in their place LOL.

[Spew Member]

Kreacher should guard the main gate. He'd have some great insults for the inmates. And maybe manage to pry Sirius' mum's portrait off of the wall to put there. THAT would put some people in their place LOL.


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Why don't we just get the most obnoxious characters we can find, Moaning Myrtle, Lockhart, etc...that would kill two birds with one stone wouldn't it?

Okay, I really need to go study geography now...

[caindo]

On a more serious note ;) What WOULD be able, or willing, to stand guard at Azkaban? Not many creatures, or people, would want to be at a place full of wizards who have committed some of the worst crimes imaginable.

[Spew Member]

On a more serious note ;) What WOULD be able, or willing, to stand guard at Azkaban? Not many creatures, or people, would want to be at a place full of wizards who have committed some of the worst crimes imaginable.

At first no one, and I think it will be really bad. Maybe Dumbledore will get the giants to side with them and then they could be the guards...but I don't think they would be very reliable. I don't think that wizards alone could guard Azkaban. Have the Dementors always been the guards I wonder?

[caindo]

I doubt giants would do much good. They're too big, and not very bright. Convicts are cunning. They could easily trick the giants. Perhaps some new kind of creature?

[Spew Member]

I doubt giants would do much good. They're too big, and not very bright. Convicts are cunning. They could easily trick the giants. Perhaps some new kind of creature?

You're right, maybe we should check the care of magical creature book?

[caindo]

Or Fantastic Beasts and Where To Find Them. I'm not so sure I would trust a book that would bite my hand off..

[atherella]

Dumbledore could lend out Peeves. He could hit them all with metal bars, or throw things at them. :lol:

This discussion is getting a bit silly now, although the comment about the Dursleys guarding Azkaban did give me a rather nice giggle. We've already seen Dudders with a tail and a foot long tongue. I hope before the series ends he gets totally transformed into something. I did read a quote from JKR that Harry will do magic on Dudley eventually. Maybe in book 7, after he turns 17 and is of age. Yay!

But, that's off topic again. I wonder if house elves are a viable possibility. We know that they have 'very strong magic', I wonder if it would be strong enough to keep prisoners at bay. In an interview with JKR, she said we'd be seeing more of Narcissa (Lucius's wife) now that Lucius is out of commission for the time being, which leads support that the prisoners will be in Azkaban for at least some time. There has to be SOMETHING keeping them in there.

[Lucybird]

Or just gererally an army of Poltergists! If they blew in the prisioners ears all night... like peaves did to Harry the prisioners would get sleep deprivation and then they'd have no energy to escape lol!

[Nathaniel]

Or just gererally an army of Poltergists! If they blew in the prisioners ears all night... like peaves did to Harry the prisioners would get sleep deprivation and then they'd have no energy to escape lol!

Ooh, that would be awesome. A ton of poltergeists!!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[DragonBlk17]

Or just gererally an army of Poltergists! If they blew in the prisioners ears all night... like peaves did to Harry the prisioners would get sleep deprivation and then they'd have no energy to escape lol!

Now why didn't the people who run Azkaban think of that?! :rotfl:

[Lucybird]

lol... hello Dragon are you sure you're not stalking me?! lol

[DragonBlk17]

Talking about ghosts.......there's those extra ghosts who live in Hogwarts. Maybe they can be the guards? :huh:

[caindo]

As long at Nick stays, it's okay! Maybe the Headless Hunt could help out. Threaten to chop off people's heads if they don't cooperate.

[Lucybird]

Could you though with a goast ake?

[marji]

If the giants come back, they could do it....

If not, what about the Aurors?

And ghosts can't stop anything, they will just make people feel cold! They couldn't stop a breakout attempt.

[chrono14]

or they could just kill all of them and never have to worry again

[caindo]

Yes, but if you give them death, that just lets them off easy. They need something to keep them there to be punished.

[RemusLupinFan]

I think it might be plausible for the Aurors to watch over Azkaban to make sure nobody escapes in the short term. The only problem is that many of the Aurors will probably be very busy fighting Voldemort and preparing for the fight (ie with extra training and such). Since there really aren't all that many Aurors, it may only be a temporary solution if they were to guard Azkaban. I suppose they could watch over it in the interim while a more suitable method of sentry can be devised. I’m not quite sure what would be the best method of long-term guarding of Azkaban, since many ferocious magical creatures like dragons probably aren’t suitable to guarding the prisoners (they’d probably end up eating them instead :p). I know it’s been mentioned that the goblins could do it if they are suitably compensated, but I’m not sure this would work if something were to go wrong and the prisoners made an attempt to escape (how much magic can goblins do? do they have the right to own a wand?). I agree the Centaurs would never agree to guard duty: for one thing, they are forbidden to wield a wand and for another, they would never work for humans. So I’m not sure how Azkaban could be guarded in the future, but I am sure that this will be a pretty important job, or else more Death Eaters may end up returning to Voldemort, and more prisoners will end up escaping justice.