Christians encouraging Christians

[HogwartsChaplain]

After writing comments intended to encourage another member of the Christian faith, ultimate sacrifice has asked:
Is there another thread more appropriate for those thoughts?
This can be such a thread.

May God bless you all as you seek to encourage one another to being faithful followers of Jesus!

[ultimate sacrifice]

I posted this in another thread and it was the wrong place to post it, so I leave it here for all believers to consider.

Originally Posted by ultimate sacrifice
"I write these things today to encourage the believers in this thread, not to debate with the non-believers. As in the words of Moody..."Constant Vigilance!" Have fun with a great mystery series in the Harry Potter books, but always be vigilant regarding your faith and make sure that you can separate JKR's Harry Potter literature from reality. Just remember that the Harry Potter books are not an endorsement of witchcraft, etc. They are fiction and they are fun to read and they are a classic good vs evil story. Keep that in mind as you read and try not to take the story literally and seek out other sources for your comfort and strength. The reality for the believer is that God does not wish for believers to participate in the practice of witchcraft, etc. Lev. 19:26. Read the story of King Saul consulting with the "medium" at En-dor in 1 Samuel 28:3-25. For further instruction on this matter, read Exodus 22:18, Deuteronomy 18:9-14, Leviticus 19: 26 & 31. There does exist another power in this world, it's source is not the Holy Spirit and for "Christians", the Holy Spirit is in our existence and is our strength."

Our church youth group is just starting a Bible Study and my daughter is participating. She loves it! It's called "The Gospels According to Harry Potter" by Corrin Neal. (I hope I spelled that right, she doesn't have the book, the youth director does.)

Thanks for starting this thread, Hogwarts Chaplain, this will be a great place to seek encouragement and give it!

[HogwartsChaplain]

Our church youth group is just starting a Bible Study and my daughter is participating. She loves it! It's called "The Gospels According to Harry Potter" by Corrin Neal. (I hope I spelled that right, she doesn't have the book, the youth director does.)
Actually, the book is The Gospel According to Harry Potter by Connie Neal. I have that book, have read parts of it, and participated in an online book discussion with the author last year. Good stuff!

There are several other books that are similar on the market, but mine are all still in boxes from our recent move.

[ultimate sacrifice]

Actually, the book is The Gospel According to Harry Potter by Connie Neal. I have that book, have read parts of it, and participated in an online book discussion with the author last year. Good stuff!

There are several other books that are similar on the market, but mine are all still in boxes from our recent move.

Thanks for the update on the correct name and title. I think I'll get it and use it as a resource with my kids and their friends. Seems like we always start talking Harry Potter when they have friends over. My daughter said that there were similar studies/books based on Chronicles of Narnia and The Lord of the Rings. Same kind of title??? Can you give me a heads up when there is another "online discussion" like the one you did last year? I've never done anything like that, not too computer literate, but that sounds really interesting and something that I could turn into an "event" with my children and some of their friends. :tu:

Thanks again for the resource clarification, can I buy it at Waldenbooks or do I need to go to a Christian Bookstore and order it??? I live in a smaller community of 50,000-ish, so we don't have a lot of options.

[HogwartsChaplain]

Thanks again for the resource clarification, can I buy it at Waldenbooks or do I need to go to a Christian Bookstore and order it??? I live in a smaller community of 50,000-ish, so we don't have a lot of options.
I now live near a "bigger" town of 5000! As with any bookstore, it's up to the staff to decide what books to carry. I ordered my book from Amazon.com. If you have several books to order, when the total is $25 or more, shipping is free, and no tax.

There are several other "The Gospel According to..." books; I remember hearing that the Simpsons one is really good. If you go to Amazon.com, you can probably find others-- search on "gospel according." Other stuff will come up, too, but once you find one, it probably will provide links to others in the series.

God's blessings to you and your family!

[Sugabeen]

I once read a sign which simply said

God sometimes puts us in the dark, to remind us that He is light


I thought it was really beautiful, and it encouraged me at the time, maybe someone else will stumble upon it here and it will speak to them too.
I won't say what I felt that it meant, or debate what it could mean, because if its what you need to hear, you'll just know, and it will speak to your situation...

[MakoDraco_luvme]

Hello! I am a fellow believer too. Thank you fo opening this thread. I will surely visit again. Its nice to see "others" on here.

[LewsTherin]

I'd just like to encourage other Christians to, well, raise the standard. The world we live in is in desperate trouble and the only hope it has is God, and if God is to do anything He needs willing people. Thus, we need to take a firm stand on certain issues. Also, I'd encourage all Christians to pray like they've never prayed before. All it takes is a little faith to light the fire, folks, and once that fire's going, we could see Revival in our lifetimes.

[ultimate sacrifice]

Also, I'd encourage all Christians to pray like they've never prayed before. All it takes is a little faith to light the fire, folks, and once that fire's going, we could see Revival in our lifetimes.

That is so true! I'm starting a designated prayer time with the youth director from our church to pray for the youth in our church. My daughter is in 8th grade now and it is unbelievable the "stuff" that has come her way just since this school year started. She's a good girl, and seems to make good choices, however, I'm not taking anything for granted!

Our world needs prayer, too! Scripture teaches us to "Pray without ceasing!"

[Ashkins]

That is so true! I'm starting a designated prayer time with the youth director from our church to pray for the youth in our church. My daughter is in 8th grade now and it is unbelievable the "stuff" that has come her way just since this school year started. She's a good girl, and seems to make good choices, however, I'm not taking anything for granted!

Our world needs prayer, too! Scripture teaches us to "Pray without ceasing!"
It is amazing what is being thrown at our children and youth. "The Power of a Praying Parent" is a great guide book. We have started getting together with parents and youth every month to pray just for the youth. Since we started doing this 5 months ago we have seen a HUGE difference in the youth of our church. Something that is easily over looked in daily life.

[Sirius Seeker]

Ultimate Sacrifice, thanks for pointing me to this thread.

I only have a minuite to post, but I just wanted to throw out one of my favorite quotes. I think it sums up a lot:

"I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen; not because I see it, but because by it I see everything else." C.S. Lewis

I look forward to spending more time in here...it has the potential to be far more edifying than some of the other threads. Glad to find that its here.

[DougJohnston]

Has anyone heard this poem before? Its one of my favorites :tu:

<center>
Footprints in the Sand

One night I dreamed I was walking along the beach with the Lord.
Many scenes from my life flashed across the sky.
In each scene I noticed footprints in the sand.
Sometimes there were two sets of footprints,
other times there was one only.
This bothered me because I noticed that during the low periods of my life,
when I was suffering from anguish,
sorrow or defeat,
I could see only one set of footprints,
so I said to the Lord,
“You promised me Lord,
that if I followed you,
you would walk with me always.
But I have noticed that during the most trying periods of my life
there has only been one set of footprints in the sand.
Why, when I needed you most, have you not been there for me?”
The Lord replied,
“The years when you have seen only one set of footprints,
my child, is when I carried you.”
</center>

Mary Stevenson (Zangare) is the author of the poem "Footprints in the Sand". She wrote it in 1936 (when she was only 14 years old).

[ultimate sacrifice]

Yes, Doug, I have read that poem before and we have it on the wall in our youth room at church! It is ironic to consider all of those times when we just didn't think we were going to make it through a struggle and then in hindsight, we recognize the help and strength the Lord sent our way! "He leadeth me, He leadeth me, by his own hand he leadeth me!"

"Christ will not send us where he will no lead us." ...."Sail on Dear One!" Beth Moore

Welcome, Sirius Seeker!

[Snowthorn]

Glad to see everyone here! I hope that we can be an inclusive and not an exclusive presence on this forum. Christians are maligned constantly for narrow-mindedness and I hope this forum can help each other to encourage and uplift. I'm only speaking from a little frustration in having to defend the 'narrow' way to true freedom and expression--that being freed by the Lord is exhilarating and exciting. That life as a Christian has Meaning and Purpose! oka...just venting....
Buck up people! Pray for open minds and hearts!

[Mundungus Fletc]

Dougjohnson you beat me to it - I'm probably quite a lot older than most of you here and it always comes to mind when times are bad. The other thing I always turn to are the Screwtape letters. Screwtape's take on Christians and our weaknesses is brilliant. As someone who often prays "God in whom I hardly believe help me to believe' C S Lewis' comments on the cyclical nature of belief are incredibly helpful.

[Sirius Seeker]

While we are posting things of encouragement, I wanted to post a song that I have come across recently that has to be one of the most beautifully written I have heard in a long time. I encourage anyone to find the music, because while the words are beautiful, the melody makes them even more so.


In Christ Alone (Keith Getty & Stuart Townsend)

In Christ alone my hope is found, He is my Light my strength my song.
This Cornerstone, this solid ground, firm through the fircest drought and storm.
What heights of love, what depths of peace, When fears are stilled, when strivings cease.
My comforter, my all in all, Here in the love of Christ I stand.

In Christ alone, who took on flesh, Fullness of God in helpless babe.
This gift of love and righteousness, Scorned by the ones He came to save.
'Til on that cross as Jesus died, The wrath of God was satisfied.
For every sin on Him was laid, Here in the death of Christ I stand.

In Christ a ground, His body lay, Light of the world by darkness slain.
Then bursting forth in glorious day, Up from the grave He rose again.
And as He stands in victory, Sin's curse has lost is grip on me.
For I am His, and He is mine, Bought with the precious blood of Christ.

In Christ a life, no fear in death, This is the pow'r of Christ in me.
From life's first cry to final breath, Jesus commands my destiny .
No pow'r of hell, no shceme of man, Can ever pluck me from His hand.
'Till He returns, or calls me home, Here in the pow'r of Christ I'll stand.

[Snowthorn]

I love this song!! The newsboys have it on their Adoration CD.
We arranged this for 4 parts in our choir... it was just beautiful.

[ultimate sacrifice]

You know, sometimes I have felt so alone in these forums because of my beliefs and frankly, I asked for it because of my signature thingy at the bottom, but the activity in this thread has given me a little perk, I guess. I'm not alone in these forums after all.

Man, I gotta tell ya, I've taken some pretty nice hits from some people who post in the forums, but this is so nice, there's a little message in my inbox that tells me that there is a new post at the "Christians encouraging Christians" thread and that's nice!

Take care y'all! I hope you have a blessed day.

"We are pressed but not crushed, persecuted not abandoned, knocked down, but not destroyed...we are blessed beyond the curse for his promise will endure, and his joys gonna be my strength".... from the praise song..."Trading my sorrows"

[Sherlock Holmes]

No, you're not alone. There are more Christians here than you might think, though most of them are not vocal about it. Of course, when you are outspoken, some people will react to that, often badly. Still, don't be afraid to say what you believe. :)

And, if people do "hit" you, don't be afraid to report it. Attacking people's beliefs isn't tolerated.

[Somnombulist]

ahh Jesus... The very first Hay-soos.
Jesus...what kinda Jewish name is that? is it like Bob Dylan? I hear his last name is really Zimmerman...

[ultimate sacrifice]

ahh Jesus... The very first Hay-soos.
Jesus...what kinda Jewish name is that? is it like Bob Dylan? I hear his last name is really Zimmerman...

That's funny! Somnomulist! The very first hay-soos. But I don't get the "last name is really Zimmerman"...thing...please explain it to me, I feel kind of dumb for asking, but I really don't get it, honest. :angel:

Thanks, Sherlock!

Here's a little encouraging thought for y'all...

"Faith is...Remembering I am indispensable to GOD...when I feel I only clutter up the landscape."

[HogwartsChaplain]

Jesus...what kinda Jewish name is that? is it like Bob Dylan? I hear his last name is really Zimmerman....

I don't get the "last name is really Zimmerman"...thing...please explain it to me, I feel kind of dumb for asking, but I really don't get it, honest.
Bob Dylan's birth name was Robert Zimmerman. He's from my hometown (though long before my time). And I think his family was of Jewish heritage.

Thanks for the quotations! Here's another to add to the collection:

“The Bible is the cradle in which the Word of God is laid.”
~ Martin Luther (1483-1546)

[ultimate sacrifice]

That was a good one, Hogwarts Chaplain! I am looking forward to the movie that will be coming out about Martin Luther, I've seen the adverstisement somewhere...I can't remember...USA/TNT/AMC Networks??? If anyone knows, please let me know!

Hope you all had a great day today...we went to Church and Sunday School and then out for brunch and then worked on decorating the house all day with Christmas stuff everywhere! I JUST LOVE THIS TIME OF THE YEAR, so much to be thankful for and this time of the year really causes me to think about it!

[LewsTherin]

That was a good one, Hogwarts Chaplain! I am looking forward to the movie that will be coming out about Martin Luther, I've seen the adverstisement somewhere...I can't remember...USA/TNT/AMC Networks??? If anyone knows, please let me know!

Well, I don't know when it shows over there but I've already seen it (it showed on the art circuit), and it is a brilliant movie. I went to go see it with no prior knowledge about Martin Luther and I was totally blown away by the man's courage. I just don't know how he had that kind of guts. So, it really opened my eyes as to what he taught and his life. A thoroughly remarkable man.

[ultimate sacrifice]

I saw an advertisement on television this morning! It's coming out on DVD, so I can just go buy it and watch it at my leisure as many times as I want! Yea!

[HogwartsChaplain]

I believe the Luther DVD is out already.

This quote also is appropriate as we prepare for Christmas:

“I marvel not as much at the virgin birth as I do at the Virgin’s faith.” ~ Martin Luther

And this one is so true...

“Every Christian goes through three conversions:
first, the heart; then the head; and finally the purse.” ~ Martin Luther

[HogwartsChaplain]

Sorry to double-post... but since we've just been discussing Luther, I thought I'd pass this along:

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'Luther' DVD, VHS Available From Augsburg Fortress Nov. 30

CHICAGO (ELCA) -- "Luther," the big-screen historical biography of one of the most controversial religious figures in history, is available beginning Nov. 30 from Augsburg Fortress Publishers, the Minneapolis-based publishing ministry of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA), according to a news release from the publisher.

The motion picture, released in 2003, is available from Augsburg Fortress on DVD at a special introductory price through December, the news release said. It is also available in the VHS format.

In addition, the DVD or VHS tape, and the book "Martin Luther: A Life," published by Augsburg Books, can be purchased as a package, the publisher said.

Born in 1483 in Eisleben, Germany, Luther was a pivotal founder of the Protestant Reformation. Luther became an Augustinian monk in 1505 and was ordained a priest in 1507. While he studied for a doctor of theology degree, he discovered significant differences between what he read in the Bible and the theology and practices of the Roman Catholic Church. In particular, Luther believed that the Scripture said faithful people are saved by the grace of God and not by any specific things they may do to earn salvation. He objected to the Roman Catholic Church's practice of the sale of indulgences.

On October 31, 1517, Luther posted 95 theses (or challenges to the Catholic Church). Luther hoped the church would reform its practices, but his action ignited a serious conflict. Those who followed his teachings left the Roman Catholic Church. His name became synonymous with the followers of his teachings, and the word "Lutheran" is still part of the names of several church bodies in the world today.

Starring Joseph Fiennes, the film begins with Luther's vow to become a monk and continues through his effort to spread religious freedom throughout Europe. The film was shot on location in Italy, the Czech Republic and several sites in Germany.

"Martin Luther: A Life," lends context and detail to Luther's life, the Augsburg Fortress news release said. The Rev. James A. Nestingen, professor of church history and recognized Luther scholar, Luther Seminary, St. Paul, Minn., authored the book.

Information about how to order "Luther" and "Martin Luther: A Life" is at http://www.augsburgfortress.org on the Web.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Good to see you back at CoS, HC! :)

[Margie]

I am a Christian as well and am often disturbed by the beliefs some non-Christians on mugglenet seem to have about our faith. It's wonderful to see so many intelligent Christians posting here. I feel so bad every time I hear another story of someone who was burned by a religious experience and thinks it's what Christianity is about. I would be so lost without Jesus as my friend and guide. My life would be so empty and selfish without following his guides for loving others and being strong in the face of evil. When I started praying and trusting him my life changed for the better. I love that there are other Christian's out their who are also Harry Potter fans and that we can have a positive voice in this forum.

[Merrymime]

I'd just like to say that I love this thread. I'm so glad it's here. It was so nice and refreshing to just come and read this whole thread. I had never seen it before. Of course, I hadn't really looked. I'm so glad I finally did and that there are a good number of Christians that read Harry Potter. I think Sherlock Holmes is right that there are probably quite a few Christians on these forums, but they're just not being vocal. If they are anything like me, they just didn't really take the time to look through the whole site to find any threads where they could share their faith or beliefs. It's all about Harry Potter, right? So, we just talk about Harry Potter.

Anyway, I love this thread so much. It was very encouraging to me and I know that it will be in the future, as well. I did have a question and I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask it, but I've heard different people in the forums say that JKR is a Christian. Is she really? Has she mentioned it in any interviews? I would guess that she's probably Christian, because there are so many Christian ideas, morals, etc. in the books. But, I was just curious to know for sure.

Also, I didn't want to post on this site without actually giving some word of encouragement, as well. So here it is:

"Be still and rest in the Lord; wait for Him and patiently lean yourself upon Him." Psalm 37:7

I don't know about you guys, but I need that one daily...especially lately. I've not exactly arrived with the whole 'waiting patiently' bit. :sigh:

Oh, and Margie, I know what you mean. My father was raised in church, but he had some bad experiences with some of the people in that particular church when he was about 20 years old or so. And so he decided he didn't want to have anything to do with church or God. This was before I was even born. But, as may years passed (about 15 or so), he began to see the difference between God and those people. And through seeing me, my mother and my sister all living a Christian life and not doing the things that he experienced, he's come back to God. So, I guess my point is that there is hope for those that turn away. And that if you can be the best example of a Christian that you can be, then that can even help someone who has been burned by other Christians.

[ultimate sacrifice]

WElcome Merrymime!

Here's the quote from JKR regarding her religious beliefs...

Originally from The Times of London, late June 2002...

"Meanwhile, Rowling remains a member of the Church of Scotland and keeps saying, “I believe in God, not magic.” She also has stated that the magical elements in her books come from her studies in British folklore. This means she is trying to tap some of the same wellsprings as C.S. Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkein and even Charles Dickens.

Last year, Rowling told a Canadian reporter that she is a Christian and that this “seems to offend the religious right far worse than if I said I thought there was no God. Every time I’ve been asked if I believe in God, I’ve said, ‘yes,’ because I do. But no one ever really has gone any more deeply into it than that and, I have to say that does suit me. ... If I talk too freely about that, I think the intelligent reader-- whether 10 or 60-- will be able to guess what is coming in the books.”

I was thrilled when I read this quote! It has impacted how I "theorize" about the overall plotline.

Hope you all are having a good day, today!

[Sirius Seeker]

I would like to say again how refreshing it is to have this thread here. Even though it is not highly posted on and no "hot topic" is being debated or discussed, I am encouraged simply by its existance.

I have found that openly discussing my beliefs about God, Christianity and my own personal faith on these forums have left me with mixed emotions. I know that there is no shortage of non-believers in the world, but it has been quite the experience for me to openly and honestly share my beliefs, only to have them met with such opposition. But it has also provided me with great practice in apologetics, has provided me the opportunity to put my faith into words, and (for lack of a better expression) to have them field tested against people who do not share my beliefs. As someone who is married to a seminary student who will one day be a college campus minister, this has provided me with some great insight into the questions, arguments, and problems that people have against Christianity. I see this as an experience to learn to see Christianity from the other points of view so that I can relate better with similar views in the future.

But that still does not make it easy to stand firm day in and day out in a situation where you are clearly the minority. There are a lot of presuppositions about Christianity out there, a lot of people who have been hurt by rare examples of Christians and therefore use them as excuses to dismiss the faith and therefore God as well. But we are not called to change the world on our own power; the salvation of others is not based ultimately on our actions or words. We are called to plant the seeds, it is God who does the rest. We are called to live lives that reflect the new life that is within us. We have an opportunity on these forums to represent positive examples of Christianity. We can speak our beliefs with conficence and know that God will use our words as He sees fit.

I have recently been very encouraged by Isiah 55:11, "So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it." Continue to speak your heart, continue to keep the Word in your heart. For what comes out of the Word, His truth, will not return to Him void. He will use us and our words as He sees fit. Do not be discouraged by the appearance of His Word falling on deaf ears, or good examples falling on blind eyes. God in His sovereignty will accomplish all of His purposes. We must simply be willing to stand firm in the face of opposition and stand together for encouragement and support. That is why I am thankful for this thread and for all of you who share in this daily struggle.

[Spirit]

Has anyone here read The Purpose Driven Life by Rick Warren? It's a very good Christian book -- it basically explains everything. A lot of Christians often get confused about things (what am I here for, why am I here, why do some prayers go unanswered, why am I not happy here on earth, etc.), and this book clears it up and explains things. It made everything make sense for me anyway. I would recommend it for anyone who has ever asked themselves any questions that concern Christianity.

[Sherlock Holmes]

But that still does not make it easy to stand firm day in and day out in a situation where you are clearly the minority. There are a lot of presuppositions about Christianity out there, a lot of people who have been hurt by rare examples of Christians and therefore use them as excuses to dismiss the faith and therefore God as well. But we are not called to change the world on our own power; the salvation of others is not based ultimately on our actions or words. We are called to plant the seeds, it is God who does the rest. We are called to live lives that reflect the new life that is within us. We have an opportunity on these forums to represent positive examples of Christianity. We can speak our beliefs with conficence and know that God will use our words as He sees fit.
The people you speak of should also be reminding us of the tremendous power and effect of our words and actions on others. And it's very hard to undo a bad example.

On your other point, I agree, one of the best things about this place is the ability to be challenged by people from all walks of life and cultures. I've certainly had religious discussions with atheists, agnostics, Muslims, and other denominations of Christians that I would never have met in real life. I do think God can work through new technology like Internet forums. :)

Spirit, yes, I've read The Purpose-Driven Life. As you say, Warren does a good job of explaining why your life will will work better when it's dedicated to the purpose of pursuing Christ. I plan on reading it again before too long: I think it's one of those you need to read every so often, to remind you.

[ultimate sacrifice]

Spirit,

Our Sunday School class is doing a study using the book, "The Purpose Driven Life". I think it is really a deep book and the concepts are very hard to put into practice for sure!

Sirius Seeker, I was thinking of Is. 55, when I was reading the first part of your post and the Poof! You quoted it. And Sherlock, you are right, the opposition that we encounter in the forums is a tremendous lesson to us, we must continually strive to set a good example for others and even more so, forgive as we have been forgiven. That's probably my greatest weakness as a Christian, I can love the unlovely and I can give to the poor and serve the needy, but I struggle so much with forgiving those who have hurt me and those that I hold dear. This is one of the key components of our faith. And wouldn't you know...it's one of the hardest things to practice!

Take care all!

[Alfonzo]

Hey guys! :D The forums can be a very good but also a very challenging place to share your faith - the obvious setback being that intellectual discussion rarely brings anyone to faith :sigh:. It can also get quite heated on the threads, and it is very hard to explain to people about Christianity without being branded 'intolerant' or a 'bigot'... I don't want to offend people but we need to get the truth of our message across - and I also don't want to offend people because I'd like to get into Hogsmeade ;). It is a hard balance, but we do have to live 'out of our comfort zone' (to use the cliché)...

EDIT: I actually feel so awful right now - I put a link into my signature to a cartoon that I used to find funny. I forgot about the particulars of what were in that cartoon, namely a swear word (possibly more than one). I feel really bad because I'm worried that it could have damaged my witness... I really hope I haven't offended anyone or put anyone off christianity because of this...

[Sirius Seeker]

The forums can be a very good but also a very challenging place to share your faith - the obvious setback being that intellectual discussion rarely brings anyone to faith.
Very true indeed. It's always good to keep that one in mind when posting, or when you post and don't get the response you were going for. Not to say that you are necessarily always met with hostility... sometimes total apathy is far worse. After one particularly honest post regarding my faith, the response I recieved was "nice fairy tale you told there." /sigh.

It can also get quite heated on the threads, and it is very hard to explain to people about Christianity without being branded 'intolerant' or a 'bigot'... I don't want to offend people but we need to get the truth of our message across
Challenging, isn't it? The most important thing (for me) to remember is that a lot of people on this forum have been hurt by Christians in the past and are therefore more hostile or disillusioned when it comes to Christianity. We have an amazing opportunity here, but I always try to remind myself of these things whenever I post or become involved in a thread:

1. I have, through this forum, a unique opportunity to talk openly to people of various religious (or non-religious) backgrounds in a very honest way because of the degree of annonimity (?) we have through the computer. I have a chance to learn more about what they believe and they have a chance to learn more about what I believe. I find these forums to be a really great learning experience in so many different ways.

2. I am learning what it means to be gracious and patient. The fourms do get heated, but that doesn't mean that I should as well. Religion is a very sensitive, very personal topic. I have had to learn when to step away and when to speak my heart. Getting defensive, offensive, angry, short, or rude does not get us anywhere. Do not let people push your buttons. You know what you believe, and you believe it to be truth. Others will not see it that way and may tell you so, but you never know who is looking on, who is reading and not responding, who might be affected (positively or negatively) by what you have to say. Remember Isiah 55:11 and be faithful (but respectful) in your responses. Also don't expect to change anyone's beliefs in just a few posts. Don't expect much change at all. Just continue the dialogue and see where God takes it from there. Who knows. We may plant seeds that God takes years to water...

3. We might be some of the few Christian examples that someone on this forum knows. We are called to love one another graciously. We are also called to go into all the world and proclaim the good news. That should never mean stuffing unwanted theology where it doesn't belong. So much about sharing your faith is about establishing relationships with people first. We miss out on a lot of the the relationship aspects because of the nature of this forum. Therefore the way in which we respond is so important. If we want our views respected, we must also respect the views of others.

4. Have fun! Even though I have had my beliefs questioned, debated, "disproved," and opposed, I have found that my faith is now stronger because of it. It has made me dig out my Bible more. I've learned about new and/or different topics in order to discuss or defend them better. I have a new appreciation and thankfulness for my faith that had recently slipped into the more uneventful and routine. Besides, I have discovered how much I actually enjoy talking about my beliefs.

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Sorry if I rambled on too much...just wanted to get out some stuff that has been on my mind lately. Have a great week, everyone! :)

[Mundungus Fletc]

That should never mean stuffing unwanted theology where it doesn't belong.

:agree: I agree 101% - Evangelism in the modern world is a tricky business. Start ranting and proclaiming the faith and in the Western world at least you guarantee you will not be listened to. Live the life, answer questions when asked, and who knows what God will achieve through you.

[ultimate sacrifice]

Sirius Seeker and Mundungus Fletcher,

I couldn't agree with you more. Ironically, Christianity is growing more in third world countries than in the western world.

The countries with the most wealth, etc...have no use for Christ and his Gospel, the countries with the most poverty and persecution towards Christians are accepting the Gospel. When religious freedom is threatened the Gospel of Christ thrives...when we are comfortable and have the freedom to worship freely and openly and without persecution, we reject and rely upon our own strength.

It's scary sometimes!

[cptncatholic]

Start ranting and proclaiming the faith and in the Western world at least you guarantee you will not be listened to. Live the life, answer questions when asked, and who knows what God will achieve through you.

"Preach the gospel always,
when necessary use words"
-- St. Francis of Assisi

I'm also glad to see this forum here. Peace to you all!
And if someone can tell me how to add my avatar, I'd
really appreciate it!!

tc

[danfan4ever]

Has anyone here read The Purpose Driven Life by Rick Warren? It's a very good Christian book -- it basically explains everything. A lot of Christians often get confused about things (what am I here for, why am I here, why do some prayers go unanswered, why am I not happy here on earth, etc.), and this book clears it up and explains things. It made everything make sense for me anyway. I would recommend it for anyone who has ever asked themselves any questions that concern Christianity.
My dad has it and I opened it today and read a chapter and I like it and I'm going to read it now!
The chapter I read was just what I needed too!

[LewsTherin]

Sirius Seeker, I agree that we need to be patient and respectful when dealing with non-Christians. However, I also believe that sometimes direct confrontation is neccessary. There were times when Jesus did not mince his words, and his authority and wisdom were such that his enemies could not respond. I for one do not believe in sitting back and letting people walk all over the bible and spread falsehoods about it. If I can correct misconceptions, I will, as calmly and and as respectfully as I can, but also firmly. Remeber that Jesus was not all meek and mild.

I guess it comes down to discerning when to fight, and when to back down. And that discernment comes from the Holy Spirit. So, let's get right with God. Once we manage that, I believe we will carry a great deal more spiritual authority and, at the Holy Spirit's direction, will make a big impact on this forum.

Although *blushes*, to be perfectly honest, my temper does often get the better of me. I'm working on it though.

[danfan4ever]

I have noticed that when talking with non Christians that if you be 'forceful' it doesn't usually work out very good. Most non Christians problems are beliving that God is there. They say 'If God put the earth here, then who put God there.' They don't understand that God just is.

[LewsTherin]

I tend to think that some non-Christians don't want to understand. Either that or they are deceived and incapable of understanding. I dunno. I think it's better to be firm than to sit back and take the abuse they dish out. That way, they can respect your faith and don't consider you a coward.

But that brings me to something I wanted to mention earlier. If we see a fellow Christian being attacked by other posters, lets not just sit back and watch. If you see that the Christian does not have a solid grounding and is floundering, get involved and help them (and tell the other folks to back off). And lets not just leave a Christian to debate alone against three of four other people; lets help them. As Christians we should stick together and use our strengths to compliment each other's weaknesses. We can make a far bigger impact acting together than we can alone.

[danfan4ever]

I tend to think that some non-Christians don't want to understand. Either that or they are deceived and incapable of understanding. I dunno. I think it's better to be firm than to sit back and take the abuse they dish out. That way, they can respect your faith and don't consider you a coward.

But that brings me to something I wanted to mention earlier. If we see a fellow Christian being attacked by other posters, lets not just sit back and watch. If you see that the Christian does not have a solid grounding and is floundering, get involved and help them (and tell the other folks to back off). And lets not just leave a Christian to debate alone against three of four other people; lets help them. As Christians we should stick together and use our strengths to compliment each other's weaknesses. We can make a far bigger impact acting together than we can alone.
Well, you are definetly right, but I just think you shouldn't go and try and attack them instead of trying to be reasonable about it. I WILL NOT sit back and let them mock me or fellow Christians and I most definately WILL NOT let them make fun of my God.

[Judas]

The thing that I hate most among the christians is that nobody has the desire to help out others in need. I will be somewhere and I see a youth group from a church that I have heard of haven't and I won't even say hello. I miss those perfectly good momments to lend out a helping hand to tell others keep up with the good fight. To keep chasing after God and his own heart. but unfortuntely all i do is walk on bye and say is: Nobody would even say hello to me so I guess its ok.

[danfan4ever]

The thing that I hate most among the christians is that nobody has the desire to help out others in need. I will be somewhere and I see a youth group from a church that I have heard of haven't and I won't even say hello. I miss those perfectly good momments to lend out a helping hand to tell others keep up with the good fight. To keep chasing after God and his own heart. but unfortuntely all i do is walk on bye and say is: Nobody would even say hello to me so I guess its ok.
I think that's something that many people have trouble doing but remember God's Golden Rule "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." I know it's hard. I'm working on it too and I don't think I will ever accomplish it completely but you have to try. :tu:

[jess1834]

I am so excited about this thread! i am also a christian, I am now leading a bible study and God is using me in some pretty awesome ways. We are going through a tough time in the world today. But keep praying!

[Judas]

The life of a follower is suppose to be the toughest way in life. That is why so many people choose to the easy path. Its always a good reminder to know that we are not in this thing alone, we have God, the church, and of course our friends. But lets remeber what this season is truly about on christmas morning shall we. I love the gifts I mean what kid doesn't. But sometimes there are more important things in life.

[LewsTherin]

Well, you are definetly right, but I just think you shouldn't go and try and attack them instead of trying to be reasonable about it. I WILL NOT sit back and let them mock me or fellow Christians and I most definately WILL NOT let them make fun of my God.
I certainly don't believe we should attack anyone. But, if a person makes uneccessary comments, then we should stand firm and say; "Listen, that's out of line."

Otherwise, I have a prayer request. I'm struggling with an apparent injury to my stomach muscles and the pain is really quite severe. I'd appreciate any prayers for healing.

[Benzo]

The life of a follower is suppose to be the toughest way in life. That is why so many people choose to the easy path. Its always a good reminder to know that we are not in this thing alone, we have God, the church, and of course our friends. But lets remeber what this season is truly about on christmas morning shall we. I love the gifts I mean what kid doesn't. But sometimes there are more important things in life.
There is no easy path, what makes you think the other paths are easy?

[Judas]

I believe that all of the other paths are easy is mainly because how many people on earth have not commited a sin. The only one is Jesus who is God stepped out of heaven and took on human form. So I believe that all other past must be easy. It is easier to drink and be merry then to do what is right and try to live your life according to how Jesus lived His. I'm not saying that life is easy if you do not follow Jesus in fact lots of crappy things will happen to you. But look at everyone who falls into that mix of people. They are just followers following everyone. Everyone knows about that path that they choose. But those who choose the past less traveled(Robert Frost) do not know what is ahead of them.

[Sugabeen]

Otherwise, I have a prayer request. I'm struggling with an apparent injury to my stomach muscles and the pain is really quite severe. I'd appreciate any prayers for healing
Glad to LewsTherin! I trust that you will feel better soon!
On a different note and to encourage those of you, who like me have wondered if they are making the right decisions and debating whether God is able to use them in a seemingly strange situation -
I'm working in a bar as a temporary job and I have to work on Christmas Day. My family is in another country anyway, so I wouldn't have been able to be with them, but I have agonised over whether it was right to work there over Christmas. I mean, its one thing to have to work if you are a doctor or nurse for example, but being in a bar seemed a bit controversial.
Anyway, only a few days into my work, I have had the opportunity to meet loads of people and the fact that I am working over Christmas and am a Christian has sparked conversations with people about my beliefs. People who have said that they have no belief have actually started discussions with me and have wanted to hear what I believe.
I don't know what you all think of this, but I'm inspired by the fact that I can be there for others and even share the meaning of Christmas with people rather than just remembering it by myself.

[ultimate sacrifice]

I certainly don't believe we should attack anyone. But, if a person makes uneccessary comments, then we should stand firm and say; "Listen, that's out of line."

Otherwise, I have a prayer request. I'm struggling with an apparent injury to my stomach muscles and the pain is really quite severe. I'd appreciate any prayers for healing.

Lews, I'll be keeping you in my prayers, please keep us posted as to your status!

[danfan4ever]

Otherwise, I have a prayer request. I'm struggling with an apparent injury to my stomach muscles and the pain is really quite severe. I'd appreciate any prayers for healing.

You got it friend!

[cptncatholic]

I'm struggling with an apparent injury to my stomach muscles and the pain is really quite severe. I'd appreciate any prayers for healing.

I'll send up prayers for your stomach along with my own prayers for healing.
Peace be with you!
tc

[danfan4ever]

So everyone ready for CHRISTmas?

[Judas]

Otherwise, I have a prayer request. I'm struggling with an apparent injury to my stomach muscles and the pain is really quite severe. I'd appreciate any prayers for healing.

Consider a new brother in Christ. And by the way everyone Merry Christmas

[Benzo]

It is my last post here because I am questioning not encouraging Christians so I am off topic.
I believe that all of the other paths are easy is mainly because how many people on earth have not commited a sin. The only one is Jes us who is God stepped out of heaven and took on human form. So I believe that all other past must be easy. It is easier to drink and be merry then to do what is right and try to live your life according to how Jesus lived His.
You could be surprised of how many people try to do the right thing and have the same values as Christians without being one. I saw atheists, Agnostics and Muslims who were closer to what Jesus taught us than many Christians. People of good will and great heart are not exclusively Christians.

I'm not saying that life is easy if you do not follow Jesus in fact lots of crappy things will happen to you.Crappy things? What do you mean? That people are lost and sinning and having fun sinning? Come on! There are millions of Muslims who don't drink, respect their body and people around them. Buddhist are for self-respect and against any kind of violence. Go and visit the world, we are all the creation of God and most of us try to be the best they can.

But look at everyone who falls into that mix of people. They are just followers following everyone. Everyone knows about that path that they choose. Yes there are people who have a hard time to know what is best for them and will continue to do mistakes after mistakes, but how many of them have the means to change their life? Yes the bible can do miracles but there are thousands of people struggling so hard in their daily life that they simply don't have the education, the money, the help from significant people, to realise that their path could be different.

[ultimate sacrifice]

So everyone ready for CHRISTmas?


Yes and NO! I have a little shopping left to do, but really excited about the holidays! I get to host family at my house this year and I have 8 brothers and sisters, all are married and all but one has children! WhooHoo! Fun!

I know that we take this time to remember the birth of Christ and his coming as God in Flesh to the earth to live and experience all that we experience and to ultimately offer himself up as the perfect sacrifice to atone for us...and I know that this is not really the actual month and day of Christs birth, but it is just a wonderful time of year for me. I love everything about Christmas....I try not to "buy in" to the commercialization of it all, (too much anyway) but I really do enjoy the holiday season!

I'll be serving as Worship Leader at the 6:30 Christmas Eve service at my church and as you all know Christmas and Easter are the two holidays where "non churched" or "marginally religious" people come to church, so I am praying that God will use me to be an instrument of his peace and love and joy and compassion this Friday! I'm excited about the whole weekend!

And on another note, yes Benzo, this is the wrong thread. We come here to encourage each other in our faith. I don't say this to offend you, but just to ask you to respect our desire to have a "safe" place in the forums to support one another and not debate with people of other faiths (or no faith at all). I hope you understand, if you ever have a need and desire our encouragement or prayers, please feel free to post, but we do not want to tear each other down or challenge the Gospel of Jesus Christ in this thread, we want to build each other up and encourage each other. Many of us have posted in other threads and have taken our stand on those particular topics. This is our "home base" so to speak in the forums and I am more than willing to offer you encouragement and support and prayer if you so desire, but I don't come to this thread to "point/counterpoint" about Jesus Christ and Christianity. Again, my intention is not to offend you, but to simply ask you to respect the intent of this thread.

If I don't get back here before Saturday....God Bless you all this holiday season and grant you peace of mind, heart and most of all....JOY TO THE WORLD! :tu:

[danfan4ever]

Yes and NO! I have a little shopping left to do, but really excited about the holidays! I get to host family at my house this year and I have 8 brothers and sisters, all are married and all but one has children! WhooHoo! Fun!

I know that we take this time to remember the birth of Christ and his coming as God in Flesh to the earth to live and experience all that we experience and to ultimately offer himself up as the perfect sacrifice to atone for us...and I know that this is not really the actual month and day of Christs birth, but it is just a wonderful time of year for me. I love everything about Christmas....I try not to "buy in" to the commercialization of it all, (too much anyway) but I really do enjoy the holiday season!

I'll be serving as Worship Leader at the 6:30 Christmas Eve service at my church and as you all know Christmas and Easter are the two holidays where "non churched" or "marginally religious" people come to church, so I am praying that God will use me to be an instrument of his peace and love and joy and compassion this Friday! I'm excited about the whole weekend!

And on another note, yes Benzo, this is the wrong thread. We come here to encourage each other in our faith. I don't say this to offend you, but just to ask you to respect our desire to have a "safe" place in the forums to support one another and not debate with people of other faiths (or no faith at all). I hope you understand, if you ever have a need and desire our encouragement or prayers, please feel free to post, but we do not want to tear each other down or challenge the Gospel of Jesus Christ in this thread, we want to build each other up and encourage each other. Many of us have posted in other threads and have taken our stand on those particular topics. This is our "home base" so to speak in the forums and I am more than willing to offer you encouragement and support and prayer if you so desire, but I don't come to this thread to "point/counterpoint" about Jesus Christ and Christianity. Again, my intention is not to offend you, but to simply ask you to respect the intent of this thread.

If I don't get back here before Saturday....God Bless you all this holiday season and grant you peace of mind, heart and most of all....JOY TO THE WORLD! :tu:
I will pray that you do well! I know you will, though! I'm really excited about Christmas and I love buying/making gifts for my family too! I LOVE this time of the year!

You have a Merry Christmas too!

[tgraveline]

well this is cool. I must say its good to see some christians here as many christians had a hard time with these books coming out and stuff and telling the children in the churhes to not read them, and then they said that LOTR is better, but honestly, i'm find it hard to see that really.

Anyways, though. I would love to just encourage all of you to really just continue seeking that personal relationship you have with god. A point to remember though, there are two sides to every conversation and believe me god really does speak to us. I think a lot of christians kind of feel like god doesn't really talk to us, he only talks to great people, just look at who the disciples were and the fact that David was a sheperd and stuff. Its really how big your heart is and how much faith you have in him and the biggest part really is listening. People like to have quiet times but those times are them just rambling to god. Remember patience is a virtue, though i do not pretend to have any, lol. Not sure why i wrote about this actually, just felt like this is the best kind of encouragement i could give at the moment.

Also, I am always free to hear anything out from people here and willing to add anyone into my prayers. I would also ask that you would pray for me and my girlfriend, as i just got back from my missions trip in germany, met her there actually and its just tough being away, but we are really growing, and we know we will get married and stuff. We really just need prayer for strength in knowing and trusting each other, also that her flight here to visit would be a safe flight on the first of january. So if anyone could remember to keep her in mind that day, that would be awesome.

If you ever want to talk, just pm me or email me please

tg

[ultimate sacrifice]

Safe travels for tg's girlfriend and continued growth and understanding with one another as you seek God's guidance on your future together.

[LewsTherin]

Thanks for your prayers, I really appreciate it. It turns out I over-extended myself doing some weights at gym and hurt my stomach muscles. Luckily, it's nothing serious and should heal within two weeks or so. Just got to take it easy in the mean while. So, thanks again for your prayers; every one helps.

[tgraveline]

wow, lews therin telamon, may i ask what it was you were doing to do that. as i have no idea where you told the first part of this to. I hope the healing process doesn't hurt too much, i know weight lifting can hurt me sometimes so i don't do it as much anymore, but gonna get back into it again. I'll be praying for a speedy recovery then.

tg

PS Love the name cause the books rock

[danfan4ever]

Merry Christmas!

[dawningoftime]

Just wanted to wish you all a Merry Christmas and pray that anyone traveling today or tomorrow has a safe trip.

[Judas]

Merry Christmas

[danfan4ever]

Merry Christmas! Hope you are all safe! Did ya'll see they have a Atheists encouraging Atheists forums???

[ultimate sacrifice]

Merry Christmas! Hope you are all safe! Did ya'll see they have a Atheists encouraging Atheists forums???

You know they say they best form of flattery is Imitation, DanFan! lol!

Church was AWESOME last night and we had a great time with my side if the family yesterday evening and a great time this morning and we are off to my husbands family now for the evening and then tomorrow, will be back home late tomorrow evening.

Hope you all are well and that you have a blessed holiday today. Talk to ya when I get back in town!

Jesus is the reason for the season! :tu:

[LilyEvans]

Merry Christmas! I hope God blesses youall and you have a peaceful new year. :)

[danfan4ever]

You know they say they best form of flattery is Imitation, DanFan! lol!

Church was AWESOME last night and we had a great time with my side if the family yesterday evening and a great time this morning and we are off to my husbands family now for the evening and then tomorrow, will be back home late tomorrow evening.

Hope you all are well and that you have a blessed holiday today. Talk to ya when I get back in town!

Jesus is the reason for the season! :tu:
Well, in that case I'm flattered! ;)
Talk to you again soon!

[Pegasus]

Interesting...When I saw the Atheist thread pop up, I thought it might be nice to do something like that for my religion, but I'm not sure if there are enough LDS members to support a thread. I know they're here--I get owls now and then--I'm just not sure how active they are on CoS. Anyway, I was glad to see this thread here--looks like there are enough Christians to support a thread.

[danfan4ever]

whats LDS?

[tgraveline]

LDS stands for latter day saints. Its what you will see under the title church, the church of christ i belive or jesus. Then under it you will see of latter day saints. Meaning that the church is mormon. Though there is much debate on whether or not mormons are christians, most churches not mormon do not consider the mormon faith to be christian and some of the mormon churches believe they are the same, but basically another testament if you would. Where jesus came to the americas. Then Joseph Smith along with the help of Moronai i believe found a big magnifying glass and these scriptures and translated the language into english and there is where the book of mormon got its start. If i'm wrong on any of that explanation Pegasus, please let me know.

tg

[danfan4ever]

OH, okay thank you.

[tgraveline]

no probs man. I know a lot of them, cause where i live there is a large amount of them in my town.

tg

PS they are good atheletes, lol

[Alfonzo]

Just some things that have been on my mind lately... One thing that I notice time and time again is how misinformed people are on these forums about Christian doctrine. We need to be on our guard about this and correct mistakes where we can - we need to stand firm upon God's word and not allow for any misconceptions. It is our responsibility that the people on these forums know God's message. It is also important not to play down God's holiness, and therefore his judgement. It is often tempting to play down this, but It is vital that we don't. It is crucial that we don't scare people, or constantly harp on about Hell and damnation, but it undermines the value of God's gift of grace if we consign his judgement to 'just a day job'.

[danfan4ever]

I know what you mean Alfonzo so many people are quoting things in the Bible that aren't even there!

[Pegasus]

LDS stands for latter day saints. Its what you will see under the title church, the church of christ i belive or jesus. Then under it you will see of latter day saints. Meaning that the church is mormon. Though there is much debate on whether or not mormons are christians, most churches not mormon do not consider the mormon faith to be christian and some of the mormon churches believe they are the same, but basically another testament if you would. Where jesus came to the americas. Then Joseph Smith along with the help of Moronai i believe found a big magnifying glass and these scriptures and translated the language into english and there is where the book of mormon got its start. If i'm wrong on any of that explanation Pegasus, please let me know.
Um, not quite...
The official name of our church is The Church of [I]Jesus Christ[I] of Latter-Day Saints. We are most definitely Christian. The nickname "Mormon" does come from The Book of Mormon, another testament of Christ, which contains the record of the ancient inhabitants of the Americas, the ancestors of the Native Americans. A small part of that is Jesus' brief visit to America after His resurrection. How we got the Book of Mormon is a long story, but there was no magnifying glass involved.
Our religious beliefs differ from other Christian religions, just like Protestant beliefs differ from Catholic beliefs, but we believe that Jesus is at the head of our church and we believe in the literal resurrection of--as well as the Second Coming of--Jesus, as well as many other things. We are most definitely Christians, and anyone who tells you differently honestly doesn't know what they're talking about.
As far as correcting people, I've decided that it's not only fruitless but impossible to "prove" spiritual things in a logical way. Whether they can be proven or not, they are very real, and that's all there is to it, so I'm trying to exercise self-control in the DoIMC. However, it is nice to have a place to stick my head in when I'm feeling alone on the forums.

[tgraveline]

hey pegasus, Nothing against you man, but i honestly just do not see Mormons as being christian. I've had a lot of discussions about it, and seriously i just believe they are not. I am not sure what to do, cause well i've had plenty of debates on it, and well i've seem to have won them all, but it never ends pretty. I do not dislike mormons at all, in fact i admire many aspects of what they do. I just truly do not believe that you guys are on. I truly do not think that the book of mormon is not another testament of jesus christ and therefore, i just do not think the belief is right on. I hope i don't offend you, cause its hard to get my point across and not offend someone in this area. If you like you can PM me and we can talk off the boards as this is truly not something to be discussed on the boards.

tg

[anabel]

I though this thread was for us to encourage each other, not debate who is right in their version of Christianity. "In my father's house there are many rooms." One for the Catholics, one for the Baptists, etc, etc, as the saying goes. There is probably one for Mormons as well! As long as we can all say, "Jesus is Lord", then we are Christians, right?

[tgraveline]

Like i said, i want to keep that part off the boards. Yes i do think baptist and catholics are christians like you said. Some have interesting thoughts that i do not believe. I am just not going into it any more, cause i know more than you think about Mormonism.

Ahh i remember someone saying something about how we should not be too lenient on telling people they will go to hell or to heaven depending on their life and whatnot. Yes that is true, but there is a perfect time and place for it. As there is for many things in life. If someone is having a rough time in life and aren't really liking it, you don't go hey, you are going to hell. Nah, you talk with them and see where it leads you both, and if the opportune moment comes, then you take it. You have to understand that it cannot be pushed on people in our society today like it could be in the past or whatever. People today are much more reactive and will shut themselves away if you push too hard. You have to let them come at their own pace. Which means its hard work for us. So many christians i've seen either mess it up or they give up. There is so much distrust and fear of the church these days. Thats why i say just really love people and god with all your heart. Be those two things and the rest will come to you, the gits you have to be used in the kingdom of god and all.

tg

[Pegasus]

Whatever you choose to believe, tgraveline. Jesus is a very real part of my daily life, and I have covenanted to take His name upon me.
If anyone has any other questions about my beliefs, I saw a thread about it a few months back...I can find a link. The official Church website is www.lds.org.
About the second part of your post: Religion should be good news, not a threat.

[tgraveline]

yes i agree very much. Thats why i don't like to just push people so hard about it. I tell people how i believe quite often. Online and in real life. I tell them i'm christian and if they are not and do not like christians much, i respect the fact that they do not want to talk about it, but over time then i can give them the good news by how i live my life as an example. If it came across as a threat, i have no idea what i said that would make it sound as such.

tg

[Pegasus]

No worries--I was agreeing with you. Jesus told us to be peacemakers. That's why I'm trying not to argue in the DoIMC--I joined this forum to talk about Harry Potter.
It looks like the thread I was talking about may have been pruned. Just let me say that our church suffered a lot of persecution in the beginning and there are still people who hate us and like to spread a lot of lies about us. If you want the truth, I gave you the website.

[cptncatholic]

I truly do not think that the book of mormon is not another testament of jesus christ

That's a double negative....
Keep faith!!! And a sense of humor!!!


Now for my real post: I'm sure you heard of HogwartsProfessor.com (http://www.hogwartsprofessor.com). Professor Granger recently published an article in the December issue of the Catholic Digest. Great article! It was entitled 'Why My Family Adopted Harry Potter'. That was the first that my wife and I heard of John Granger and his writings. But my wife surprised me at Christmas by giving me a copy of his latest book 'Looking For God in Harry Potter'. I've only just started reading it, but I am really enjoying what he has to say and his approach the JKR's writing.

Peace!
T.C.

[Pegasus]

Looks like an interesting read.

[ultimate sacrifice]

Hi All,

Hope you had a great holiday! I'm trying to get caught up, I have one question, what is DoIMC???

Also, what is this about a John Granger? An author or something??? Would like to know more!

And...I've heard that Chronicles of Narnia will be a movie...anyone know anything about that?

We need to be praying about the earthquake and the tidal wave thing in Asia...that is horrific and I think that it is possible that there will be repurcussions on other continents, I heard on the news that this earthquake shook the earth's "axis" or something like that....isn't that just too wierd for words???

At times of disaster like this, I wish so much that Jesus would just return and take us all to be with him, because the earth and humankind are in a real mess!!! I feel very grieved in my spirit. Not for myself, because I know where I am going, but for so many people on this earth and all of the violence and treachery..we are ruining the earth and killing each other at will, it's just crazy!!!

[cptncatholic]

Also, what is this about a John Granger? An author or something??? Would like to know more!

First, John Granger is no relation to Hermione.

His website is www.hogwartsprofessor.com (http://www.hogwartsprofessor.com/)

He was a presenter at the Nimbus 2003 conference in Orlando, Florida

In June 2004, he published a book called 'Finding God in Harry Potter'

He had much of the same training in classical literature that J.K. Rowling had, in addition he studied both Latin and Greek and can read them fluently. In his book, he breaks open a lot of the literary devices and traditions that J.K. works into the novels. In addition he translates the spells, which are written predominantly in Latin. He points out the distinct differenct between the use of magic in the novels and real-world 'occult magic'.

Well, here! Let me give you a sampling:

Note: This was taken from the December 2004 Catholic Digest

- Gryffindor, the name of Harry's dormitory, has Christian implications: It is named after its founder Godric Gryffindor, whose first name means godly or worshipful, and it contains the word griffin, a mythological figure and common symbol for Christ (like Christ, the griffin has both an earthly and heavenly nature; it is half lion and half eagle).

- Slytherin, the dormitory of Harry's enemies, bears the mascot of a serpent. The villian of the books, who is also associated with Slytherin, is Lord Voldemort, who has serpentine features as well as a pet snake.

- The books recount a constant battle between good and evil, not only between characters, but also within Harry himself. Harry is depicted as the counterpoint and figurative twin to Voldemort, the villain of the series. Thus the protagonist struggles, as do all humans, between the good and evil in one's own nature.

- Harry is a name affiliated with royalty – several English kings bore the name – and, therefore, with being the heir to a great kingdom. Harry's last name, Potter, may be viewed as a reference to God, who is sometimes called "the potter" in the Bible (e.g. Isaiah 64:8). Pronounced, potter also sounds like the Latin pater for father, as in God the Father. Harry Potter may therefore be read as Heir to the Father. Harry Potter is not the Son of God as Jesus Christ is, but in the manner that you and I are sons and daughters of God. Harry is the fallen man seeking to be both image and likeness of God.



Should I share more as I read more? Perhaps start a thread?

Peace!
tc

[Dementor Dave]

Hi All,

Hope you had a great holiday! I'm trying to get caught up, I have one question, what is DoIMC???

The Department of International Magical Cooperation is the Debate forum located directly below this.

And...I've heard that Chronicles of Narnia will be a movie...anyone know anything about that?



There is indeed a movie coming about the C.S. Lewis books.. information can be found here...Official Site (http://www.narnia.com/)

[danfan4ever]

Hi All,

Hope you had a great holiday! I'm trying to get caught up, I have one question, what is DoIMC???

Also, what is this about a John Granger? An author or something??? Would like to know more!

And...I've heard that Chronicles of Narnia will be a movie...anyone know anything about that?

We need to be praying about the earthquake and the tidal wave thing in Asia...that is horrific and I think that it is possible that there will be repurcussions on other continents, I heard on the news that this earthquake shook the earth's "axis" or something like that....isn't that just too wierd for words???

At times of disaster like this, I wish so much that Jesus would just return and take us all to be with him, because the earth and humankind are in a real mess!!! I feel very grieved in my spirit. Not for myself, because I know where I am going, but for so many people on this earth and all of the violence and treachery..we are ruining the earth and killing each other at will, it's just crazy!!!

Yes, my cousin informed me yesterday of Chronicles of Narnia becoming a movie. I heard it was going to be the second book first(they are filming them out of order)

And yes, we definately need to pray for the victims of the Tsunami.

I want Jesus to come back too, but on the other hand there is still so many people that need to be reached. But they had their chance what do you say? :huh:

[danfan4ever]

:clap: Happy New Year! :clap:

[ultimate sacrifice]

Should I share more as I read more? Perhaps start a thread?
tc

Yes, please do! I want to hear more and talk more about it, because I have my own ideas that are not so popular in the regular threads, especially about the power that is behind that door that melted Harry's knife!

Letting my daughter have a new year's eve party tonight! We are having a blast decorating and stuff! I think I am having as much fun as she is! lol!

Happy New Year Everyone!

[Spew Member]

I want Jesus to come back too, but on the other hand there is still so many people that need to be reached. But they had their chance what do you say? :huh:

Wow.

[HogwartsChaplain]

Sisters and brothers in Christ,

If you want to read a relevant sermon, try this one:

A Christmas Tsunami
by Pastor Nathan Nettleton
Melbourne, Australia
January 2, 2005

http://www.laughingbird.net/SermonTexts/0343.html

God's blessings to all in the New Year.

[Mith]

Hey guys, just checking in here to encourage you all. I know its hard, especially debating other people, but just remember this. It is ultimatley up to God whether or not he lets the unsaved see. If they are not elect, nothing you or i can say will turn them to God. If one man can convince someone of something, another can turn him. The important thing is that we are out there trying. Dont go into a debate lookking for results, look for a blessing or lesson from God ;)

[danfan4ever]

Welcome to the forum brother in Christ :angel: !!!

[ultimate sacrifice]

Hey guys, just checking in here to encourage you all. I know its hard, especially debating other people, but just remember this. It is ultimatley up to God whether or not he lets the unsaved see. If they are not elect, nothing you or i can say will turn them to God. If one man can convince someone of something, another can turn him. The important thing is that we are out there trying. Dont go into a debate lookking for results, look for a blessing or lesson from God ;)

Welcome Mith!

You are right, it is up to God, we are his vessels, I personally do not go looking for a debate...in fact, I've responding to a lot of the posts in some of the other threads, instead, I pray for the poster and follow along and keep praying for people in the forums, I speak up occasionally, but I really have found that sometimes it is just futile to debate.

I trust you all had a good evening last night. We had a great time, must have had over 50 8th graders at my house last night, the down side, is that I need to get the carpet cleaned, the up side is that they were here, not out running around and not at a party with older kids getting into things that could get them into trouble!

I had one little boy/girl thing going on and they seemed to enjoy "frontal" hugging for an extended amount of time, I finally went out to the front yard and told them I was going to split them up, no more "front to front" if they wanted to hug each other, they could hug "side to side", when I walked back in the house, the kids started clapping! So, I really only had to be the bad guy once last night, thankfully, they didn't challenge me. the girl was embarrassed, tho. My daughter said that she didn't know how to handle the situation, so didn't speak up and tell the boy that she was uncomfortable. It was obvious that he was a little more experienced than she was.

And of course the boys got a little rowdy a couple of times and I had to call them out and make them behave, but that is to be expected with that age and that many kids. In the end, Hope I made a good impression with the kids and built a few relationships with my daughters friends, so that when they are in high school and the real tempations come, they'll be comfortable saying..."let's go to Hannah's house" rather than going to the pasture parties and the "keggers" and the like....and hopefully we can hold off some of the adolescent behaviors that plague young people these days...It seems that the kids keep getting involved in unhealthy behaviors at a younger and younger age, we are hoping to hold off some things like that for my daughter until she is strong enough to handle it assertively and hopefully, she'll make a few good choices a long the way!

Sisters and brothers in Christ,

If you want to read a relevant sermon, try this one:

A Christmas Tsunami
by Pastor Nathan Nettleton
Melbourne, Australia
January 2, 2005

http://www.laughingbird.net/SermonTexts/0343.html

God's blessings to all in the New Year.

Thank you HogwartsChaplain, I read it and printed it off, I'm teaching high school sunday school tomorrow morning and I'm sure the kids will want to talk about it all and the devastation. Appreciated the link a lot!

[Wandering Bard]

I speak up occasionally, but I really have found that sometimes it is just futile to debate.

Debate is never futile. There are always new angles to an argument: we are all still learning.

[Mith]

haha, nice one line, "there are always new angels to an argument."

[Byrum]

There is indeed a movie coming about the C.S. Lewis books.. information can be found here...Official Site (http://www.narnia.com/)
Didn't they already do a movie on the Chronicles of Narnia, The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe? Or are they making all the other ones now, I remember that it wasn't the only one.

[cptncatholic]

Didn't they already do a movie on the Chronicles of Narnia, The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe? Or are they making all the other ones now, I remember that it wasn't the only one.

I remember seeing a low-budget BBC movie of the Lion, the Witch, and the wardrobe. But I don't know if they did any of the others.

tc

[Byrum]

Yeah thats probably it, but I remember seeing it because we had to do it as a play in 7th grade. They used a real lion too so that was really cool. And they had Edmund and Lucy and the White Witch and that funny character, the one with the donkeys legs for legs but I can't remember his name, Mr. something, started with a T I think. Anyway they definately made a movie, but it was probably low budget.

[anabel]

Sisters and brothers in Christ,

If you want to read a relevant sermon, try this one:

A Christmas Tsunami
by Pastor Nathan Nettleton
Melbourne, Australia
January 2, 2005

http://www.laughingbird.net/SermonTexts/0343.html

God's blessings to all in the New Year.Thank you very much for that link. I found it very helpful.

We have to remember that it is not only the people we are debating with who read our posts. Even if we can't "win" a discussion, the people reading will see both sides of the argument. Also what we say here, even if it doesn't seem to help now, may well bear fruit later on, even many years later when people remember what they read and it suddenly makes more sense to them. Don't lose heart!

Happy New Year, everyone!

[hpfan_08]

Sisters and brothers in Christ,

If you want to read a relevant sermon, try this one:

A Christmas Tsunami
by Pastor Nathan Nettleton
Melbourne, Australia
January 2, 2005

http://www.laughingbird.net/SermonTexts/0343.html

God's blessings to all in the New Year.
That was a really good sermon, really makes you realize that God is behind everything and that we have nothing to fear. Although he may take what we love most from us, we still have and always will have what we should love teh most, and what loves us the most; God.

[ComicBookWorm]

I haven't posted here since this isn't a thread that has any meaning for me. But I would like to say that offering judgmental opinions of me or any one else on the Does God Exist thread is not going to further your cause. It doesn't cast any Christian in a good light to appear condescending. It was bad enough when someone attacked Pegasus and said she wasn't a Christian here on a thread about Christians supporting each other.

[danfan4ever]

I haven't posted here since this isn't a thread that has any meaning for me. But I would like to say that offering judgmental opinions of me or any one else on the Does God Exist thread is not going to further your cause. It doesn't cast any Christian in a good light to appear condescending. It was bad enough when someone attacked Pegasus and said she wasn't a Christian here on a thread about Christians supporting each other.
I don't think anyone attacked Pegasus. If they don't believe its a Christian belief than I don't see what they did wrong pointing that out. As for judge you or anyone else in the "Does God Exist thread" I don't see anyone doing that os you can stop right there.

[Snowthorn]

Let's clarify the "cause" you speak of, shall we? I for one have only one cause to support. That is to speak truth and act accordingly. I'm not out to persuade anyone. The idea with the Christian message is that Love exists and waits for us all to decide. The choice is yours and yours alone. Being a Christian is not acting Christian-like but Christ-like.
I apologize if you felt you were condescended to. People have fallibilities and being a Christian does not equate to intelligence nor does it equate to complete understanding or empathy either. If you were treated rudely by a Christian, it was the fact that they were rude, not because they were Christian. Kindly do not classify all Christians as pushy opinionated and on a crusade of some sort. I'll apologize for some misdirected impressions on others by Christians (with probably good intentions) But I'm certainly not going to apologize for being a Christian.
And please don't think I'm telling you off for replying to you. I, like anyone else, dislike being pigeon-holed. Thanks

[danfan4ever]

I don't like when people post where they aren't suppose to. It just seems to me wrong.

[badbad87]

I don't like when people post where they aren't suppose to. It just seems to me wrong.
They felt attacked and I don't really find it a problem that they posted in here. Let's just stop attacking people's ideals despite our differing beliefs.

[ComicBookWorm]

I don't think anyone attacked Pegasus. If they don't believe its a Christian belief than I don't see what they did wrong pointing that out. As for judge you or anyone else in the "Does God Exist thread" I don't see anyone doing that os you can stop right there.
You must have missed the post where someone told me how sorry they felt for me. And that I was the type of person to make others lose their faith.

And as for what was said to Pegasus, it was an unfortunate display of intolerance that didn't reflect well on the person doing it.

I don't like when people post where they aren't suppose to. It just seems to me wrong.I think anyone can post here. They just can't have a debate here.

[Snowthorn]

I just find it interesting that this thread tries hard to encourage each other and speaks mostly of how much they love God, while on the Athiests for Athiests thread they commonly complain how they've been condescended to by other Christians. I have yet to see a Christian over there "stirring the pot" so to speak when it's not the appropriate forum. I find it so frustrating sometimes.
Look, if you're agnostic, atheist, whatever, non-Christian and you're reading this thread, then welcome. I appreciate you for your open-mind, even if you don't believe and have probably been hurt by the church in the past. I applaud you for keeping abreast of things. I don't consider you spies or snoopies. I encourage you to seek out and question and challenge. But PLEASE, don't paint some bible-belt brush on me. I hope that some day you'll meet a Christian. And I mean a real one. One who doesn't deny being born-again. One who lives and breathes their faith everyday in every circle of acquaintance and not just for 2 hours on Sunday. One who allows God to BE GOD in all aspect of their lives and not consider it controlling slavery but true freedom. One who understands the OMNI in all-knowing, ever-present and all-loving. One who realizes that God will never be fully understood but that we are called to understand that which He's allowed us to understand, and that is more than enough. One who appreciates that He is Justice and Mercy, Holy and Righteous. Meet a real Christian. Then come and tell me who is and is not a believer.

[ComicBookWorm]

No one is trying to stir the pot. I was objecting to the comments made about me by a Christian. I was trying to point out that no one advances the cause by making such judgmental statements about someone whether it is an atheist like me or a Mormon like Pegasus. I haven't made any assessment about who is a believer or non-believer. I don't really care about that. Christians worry about things like that.

There is plenty I could say if I wanted to stir the pot, but I have not voiced any of those opinions since this isn't the place for them. I'm 56, so I've met every kind of Christian possible in my lifetime. I have only met one man who was impressive. He was a Coptic Christian who lived his faith in everything he did. He didn't need to show off his beliefs since they were evident in everything he did. I respected him for that.

Atheists just want to be left alone. They don't proselytize or preach. They do like to explain their beliefs since so many people have misconceptions about them.

[Snowthorn]

You misunderstand me. I'm not asking you, an atheist, to understand God. You've been open on your stance on things. I can appreciate that. I merely challenge you to meet someone who does live out their faith. You say you have, glad you've met one. Thirdly, I have no intention to proselytize or preach to you. I re-state that my cause as a Christian is to speak truth and live it out. That's it. Not make you choose either. Preaching and proslytizing connotates persuasion and conversion. I seek neither. Simply put, it's not my job. So don't tell me that my opinions are there to convince. They're just statements.

[ComicBookWorm]

You misunderstand me. I'm not asking you, an atheist, to understand God. You've been open on your stance on things. I can appreciate that. I merely challenge you to meet someone who does live out their faith. You say you have, glad you've met one. Thirdly, I have no intention to proselytize or preach to you. I re-state that my cause as a Christian is to speak truth and live it out. That's it. Not make you choose either. Preaching and proslytizing connotates persuasion and conversion. I seek neither. Simply put, it's not my job. So don't tell me that my opinions are there to convince. They're just statements.
I didn't say anything about your preaching or your opinions, did I? I was stating how atheists approach things. It was in response to the accusation made by someone else that I am the type of person to make people lose their faith.

[Snowthorn]

Fine, let's just drop it, shall we?

[LewsTherin]

They do like to explain their beliefs since so many people have misconceptions about them.
Then we're in the same boat, really. Athiests have misconceptions about Christianity, and the Christians on this forum attempt to right the lack of understanding. Christians have miconceptions about Athiests, who then also try to right the lack of understanding. Should we then not be able to sort out those misconceptions?

[anabel]

I think some of the Atheists in these forums fail to understand how Christians feel about God. He is our Father, we love him, and if people insult him or tell us we are ignorant for believing in him we do get upset about it. Compare us with Harry, Fred and George when Malfoy insults their parents, if you like. It makes us angry and angry people often respond quickly without thinking it through. Nor do we like to be called stupid, attacked personally, or informed that we are ignorant and that science can prove everything. Christianity is much older that Science, and has stood the test of time.

[ultimate sacrifice]

The topic of this thread is "Christians encouraging Christians"...and Since Hogwarts Chaplain and I kind of started this thread...I would appreciate it if we kept to the topic of the thread...I realize that all COS members can cruise through any thread and read anything that they want, but the purpose of this thread is to give those of the Christian faith a place to go to seek prayer and encouragement and support and fellowship.

I am asking all to please keep within the topic, whatever happens in another thread, should be resolved in that thread, if you have a problem with another members statements, beliefs, etc...please resolve it in that particular thread or through private messages. I do not want to see this thread turned into a debate forum nor do I want to see Christians ridiculed and harassed for their beliefs and yes, their mistakes.

When someone states in their post that they know that this isn't the place to make particular statements, then they know that this isn't the place, so please do not do it.

This is a place to encourage and build one another up in the Christian faith. This is a place to exchange information and resources regarding the Christian faith, and this is a place to seek prayer from other Christians. The purpose of this thread is not to "evangelize" anyone, nor is it to debate differing theological positions within the Christian faith. Let's keep it on topic and if you do not wish to seek encouragement, prayer, Christian fellowship or Christian Education resources, then please do not post in this thread, there are plenty of other threads addressing many other topics, but the intent of this thread is to encourage and build one another up in the faith.

Colassians 3:12-17

[SmoochHeart]

I think some of the Atheists in these forums fail to understand how Christians feel about God. He is our Father, we love him, and if people insult him or tell us we are ignorant for believing in him we do get upset about it. Compare us with Harry, Fred and George when Malfoy insults their parents, if you like. It makes us angry and angry people often respond quickly without thinking it through. Nor do we like to be called stupid, attacked personally, or informed that we are ignorant and that science can prove everything. Christianity is much older that Science, and has stood the test of time.

Thank you Anabel, this was a very important statement to be made, and you have said it very well. :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:

[Wandering Bard]

I think some of the Atheists in these forums fail to understand how Christians feel about God. He is our Father, we love him, and if people insult him or tell us we are ignorant for believing in him we do get upset about it. Compare us with Harry, Fred and George when Malfoy insults their parents, if you like. It makes us angry and angry people often respond quickly without thinking it through. Nor do we like to be called stupid, attacked personally, or informed that we are ignorant and that science can prove everything. Christianity is much older that Science, and has stood the test of time.

Not a very nice portrayal of atheists: comparing them to Malfoy!

[SmoochHeart]

Not a very nice portrayal of atheists: comparing them to Malfoy!


She is not saying that Athiests are mean heartless vermin like Malfoy, but rather she has given an analagous example of how she feels when someone insults her beleif in her Father in Heaven.

[anabel]

Not a very nice portrayal of atheists: comparing them to Malfoy!I was comparing Christians with Fred, George and Harry, actually.
Thanks, SmoochHeart!
It's not just my belief that is being insulted, but my Father himself.

[Dementor Dave]

Didn't they already do a movie on the Chronicles of Narnia, The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe? Or are they making all the other ones now, I remember that it wasn't the only one.

Yes. There have actually been several productions, animated and live action. But nothing on the scale of the slated movie forthcoming.

[Sherlock Holmes]

The topic of this thread is "Christians encouraging Christians"...and Since Hogwarts Chaplain and I kind of started this thread...I would appreciate it if we kept to the topic of the thread...I realize that all COS members can cruise through any thread and read anything that they want, but the purpose of this thread is to give those of the Christian faith a place to go to seek prayer and encouragement and support and fellowship.


I'd like to echo this. I don't want to see this thread and the Atheists thread turn into two cliques opposed to each other. If anyone has problems with posts made by someone about Christians or atheists, please owl me and we'll sort it out.

[Butterbeerjunky]

I'd like to echo this. I don't want to see this thread and the Atheists thread turn into two cliques opposed to each other. If anyone has problems with posts made by someone about Christians or atheists, please owl me and we'll sort it out.
That is not my intention, first off (I just really want to make that clear!) So my point is that I am an athiest/humanist and some of my good friends are christian and baptist, and I would hate for our threads to be "pitted against one another." On the contrary, I believe that we should feel free to speak with each other to show that just because our beliefs differ doesn't mean we all can't discuss things maturely!
Who says that Athiests can't encourage Christians and Christains can't encourage Athiests...we should all encourage each other have some strong beliefs and faith...you believe in god...I believe that people are innately good and that we can all work together to make the world better...the point is we believe, and that's a good thing!!!

[badbad87]

That is not my intention, first off (I just really want to make that clear!) So my point is that I am an athiest/humanist and some of my good friends are christian and baptist, and I would hate for our threads to be "pitted against one another." On the contrary, I believe that we should feel free to speak with each other to show that just because our beliefs differ doesn't mean we all can't discuss things maturely!
Who says that Athiests can't encourage Christians and Christains can't encourage Athiests...we should all encourage each other have some strong beliefs and faith...you believe in god...I believe that people are innately good and that we can all work together to make the world better...the point is we believe, and that's a good thing!!!
Oh I am so loving you right now and yet I don't even know you...haha.

[ultimate sacrifice]

After writing comments intended to encourage another member of the Christian faith, ultimate sacrifice has asked:

This can be such a thread.

May God bless you all as you seek to encourage one another to being faithful followers of Jesus!

This is the original post for this thread, I hope we can all stay with it.

[purplehawk]

I was comparing Christians with Fred, George and Harry, actually.
Thanks, SmoochHeart!
It's not just my belief that is being insulted, but my Father himself.


So said Bellatrix LeStrange in the Hall of Prophecy. As a Christian myself, I thought to read through this thread and perhaps find a bit of encouragement. I was disappointed in the extreme. Many of the arguments, the smugness, the puffed-up self-importance, the holier than thou attitudes I've read here remind me a good deal of the pureblood mania drawn so eloquently by Rowling in the Potter books.

Can you folks not see how you are coming across? Even to those who share your belief in God?

[anabel]

I was just trying to explain why we might sometimes come across in a negative way.
I hope this thread can be more for encouraging each other. I need some encouragement, and I was disappointed when conflicts from another thread were brought in here.

[purplehawk]

You know, though, Anabel... when so-called "Christians" start wielding political clout, they're wide-open for "conflicts from another thread." Christianity has to do with the heart and soul of individual believers, not how many neo-conservatives are appointed to the Supreme Court. There is strength enough in the hearts and souls of many individuals to accomplish good works, but when conservative Christians begin bashing more liberal Christians - not to mention those of other religious faiths, or no faith at all - they have truly lost sight of the message of our Lord and Savior.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Conflicts from other threads have been dealt with by me and the posters involved.

This is the last time I'll say it: this thread needs to move on or it will be closed.

[HogwartsChaplain]

So... to get us on a more positive track...

How would Jesus respond to a disaster on the scale of the tsunami?
As a follower of Jesus, what will you do?

That is not, of course, to say that only Christians can help-- I hope all people will feel called to help. But, by the power of the Holy Spirit, what will your faith in Jesus lead you to do?

[ultimate sacrifice]

Hi everyone,

I just finished reading a really great book by Francine Rivers... It's called "Redeeming Love". Francine Rivers writes "Christian Fiction" and her novels all have a Christ centered plot, they are usually about a Christian character and that characters struggles. This one was terrific, it's based on the book of Hosea, so if any of you have time to read novels, etc, I'd recommend this one! You can buy any of her books at a Borders or Waldenbooks, etc. I'm sure they have her stuff in Christian bookstores as well, I just haven't gone to one to find out.

She has published several books but one of my favorites is a 3 book series called "The Mark of the Lion", it's 3 novels and they are AWESOME! The main character is Hadassah, story takes place during the fall of Jeruselem and moving forward in the first century A.D. Those novels just blew my mind with all of the historical research that she did and how accurately she portrays the living conditions and the Roman Society, etc. I would highly recommend those books as well.

Anyhoo, hope you all are well and that you have a great day today, we are iced in here in my part of Kansas! My husband is arriving in Kansas City from Phoenix late this evening, about 11:00 PM and will have to travel 3&1/2 hours to get home and the roads are very icy and by tonight everything will have melted a bit and then iced over again, so I would appreciate safe travel prayers for my husband from Kansas City to home. His name is Bary. I suggested that he spend the night in KC, then drive home tomorrow morning, but I didn't get a firm commitment from him on that one!

Talk to you all later!

[anabel]

I'll be carrying a collecting tin door-to-door on Saturday. We re-routed the church collection last weekend as well and got much more money than usual - people really want to give. Prayer helps, even though the scale of the disaster makes it difficult. I find it feels better to pray for people by name than to ask God to help "everyone affected by the tsunami", but there are just too many for us to even begin naming them. It is comforting to know that God knows every victim by name and has a much bigger perspective on this - that he can see what is hidden from us and what we can't explain, however much we would like to.

[GryffindorGr]

Hi everyone,

I just finished reading a really great book by Francine Rivers... It's called "Redeeming Love". Francine Rivers writes "Christian Fiction" and her novels all have a Christ centered plot, they are usually about a Christian character and that characters struggles. This one was terrific, it's based on the book of Hosea, so if any of you have time to read novels, etc, I'd recommend this one! You can buy any of her books at a Borders or Waldenbooks, etc. I'm sure they have her stuff in Christian bookstores as well, I just haven't gone to one to find out.
Omg. I read that book a few years ago and cried. (I'm so sensitive and moved by peoples experiences I guess) She is so good!! It's in my little library. ^_^

She has published several books but one of my favorites is a 3 book series called "The Mark of the Lion", it's 3 novels and they are AWESOME! The main character is Hadassah, story takes place during the fall of Jeruselem and moving forward in the first century A.D. Those novels just blew my mind with all of the historical research that she did and how accurately she portrays the living conditions and the Roman Society, etc. I would highly recommend those books as well.
Thanks for the tip! I will certainly go check those out. She's really amazing in the way she portrays emotion and the power of God. Doesn't portray God as this cruel God at all but one who lets us choose our paths and choices. *more for the library*

by HogwartsChaplain
How would Jesus respond to a disaster on the scale of the tsunami?
As a follower of Jesus, what will you do?

That is not, of course, to say that only Christians can help-- I hope all people will feel called to help. But, by the power of the Holy Spirit, what will your faith in Jesus lead you to do?
As a follower of Jesus, what would I do?
Besides praying, (which my initial response when I first heard about it, was place my hands over my face and started crying. Then wiped my tears away and called up any of my friends who were connected to the disaster)
So my response like many was to send money. What can you do at this point? There are many options actually in what to do, and one of them is to go there and help. Since I’m unable to do that and I’m sure the military aid is helping out as much as they can, plus red cross, etc, one can only pray. I love the power of praying, and it only takes a few minutes in a busy day. Just a remembrance in your thoughts for those who lost their lives and for those who are living in the aftermath of the disaster. They need all the support they can get to get their lives back in order.
ETA:
by anabel
Prayer helps, even though the scale of the disaster makes it difficult. I find it feels better to pray for people by name than to ask God to help "everyone affected by the tsunami", but there are just too many for us to even begin naming them. It is comforting to know that God knows every victim by name and has a much bigger perspective on this - that he can see what is hidden from us and what we can't explain, however much we would like to
Exactly my sentiments. :)

[purplehawk]

We were just getting back into our home after a blizzard and ice storm booted us and nearly half a million central Ohioans for four days. I was already in a prayerful frame of mind at the time. We were able to move the four of us into our daughter's home, where we enjoyed a happy Christmas, family-style. So many others were camping out on the floors of high school gyms, where the Red Cross had set up temporary shelters.

We were able to return Christmas night to find all the fish in my aquarium had frozen to death, the lack of electricity and near-continual freezing rain had rendered the sump pumps useless and several feet of water had flooded the basement. Even the carpet in the lower levels was ruined.

I was experiencing a mixed-bag of emotions the following morning when I first learned of the tsunami disaster in the newspaper. We had no internet or cable TV at the time. I set to work right away. The hubby and I found out where to send checks and dispatched one at once. I then spent several hours working with the women of my service groups, organizing an impromptu fund raiser. Within 48 hours we had raised over $30,000 which was quickly sent off to the relief effort.

Our pastor spoke of the disaster at church that morning and I was thrilled to hear the money had already begun coming in. Unasked. There was no need. We are Christians and responded to the catastrophe as Christian people should. Many of our parishioners are associated with University Medical Center and we were proud to send off a medical team of four doctors and six nurses with attendant support personnel, all paid for by our little church.

[Snowthorn]

anabel-- love the spirit behind your tin-collecting idea. However, I should caution you. Many warnings have come out that there are fraudulent agencies collecting funds for relief and those monies are not getting to where it's needed. For the authenticity of the fund drive, might I suggest promoting a reputable relief agency of your choice? I think you may get a better response. Christian and non-Christian organizations all have the capability of doing the most with our little. The Red Cross, Salvation Army and World Vision, all come to mind. I personally chose to donate to World Vision. They're focus is on kids and their communities and this disaster has created thousands of orphans. They also have resources already in place because of their current work, an advantage. www.worldvision.ca (http://www.worldvision.ca) for Canucks and www.worldvision.org (http://www.worldvision.org) for Americans. If you're not North American they have offices worldwide.
Peace.

[ultimate sacrifice]

We are making our financial donation through out church. (United Methodist) However, I am so overwhelmed by the complete devastation! It just blows my mind! When I hear about the stories of 6 month old babies sucked out of the arms of a father and washed out to sea and 18 month old babies stranded on floating mattresses, it just grieves my spirit. And now, the child trafficing thugs are stealing children and babies! Ahhhh, it is just too much, it really makes me physically ill!

I would so love to adopt a child who has been orphaned, don't even know how to make that kind of thing happen, so I am praying about it. Praying for all of the relief agencies to get relief to the victims in an orderly and speedy fashion and also think that one of the best things that can be done is to help people replace their fishing boats and help them get their "livlihood" back before the black market people come in and take over.

It really is just completely unfathomable! The destruction is just unfathomable!

[badbad87]

Organized religion in many ways can be so helpful and important in times like these.

Just look at the various churches that are donating and the money they've raised.

I know my church has donated upwards 10 million in money and then around 70 tons of supplies. When the need exists, it is so helpful to have these organizations to pull the money together.

[anabel]

anabel-- love the spirit behind your tin-collecting idea. However, I should caution you. Many warnings have come out that there are fraudulent agencies collecting funds for relief and those monies are not getting to where it's needed. For the authenticity of the fund drive, might I suggest promoting a reputable relief agency of your choice? I think you may get a better response. Christian and non-Christian organizations all have the capability of doing the most with our little. The Red Cross, Salvation Army and World Vision, all come to mind. I personally chose to donate to World Vision. They're focus is on kids and their communities and this disaster has created thousands of orphans. They also have resources already in place because of their current work, an advantage. www.worldvision.ca (http://www.worldvision.ca) for Canucks and www.worldvision.org (http://www.worldvision.org) for Americans. If you're not North American they have offices worldwide.
Peace.I'll be collecting for the local branch of the Red Cross.

[danfan4ever]

That is not my intention, first off (I just really want to make that clear!) So my point is that I am an athiest/humanist and some of my good friends are christian and baptist, and I would hate for our threads to be "pitted against one another." On the contrary, I believe that we should feel free to speak with each other to show that just because our beliefs differ doesn't mean we all can't discuss things maturely!
Who says that Athiests can't encourage Christians and Christains can't encourage Athiests...we should all encourage each other have some strong beliefs and faith...you believe in god...I believe that people are innately good and that we can all work together to make the world better...the point is we believe, and that's a good thing!!!
I think that was one of the most sensible things you could have said. :tu: I agree completly. Although some, including myself, struggle with that at times.... :blush:

[anabel]

Purplehawk, I thought this thread is for encouragement, not debate. :angel: ;)

I've just got back, soaked through, from 2 1/2 hours of carrying a collecting tin door to door in rain and sleet. The district was divided up between all the volunteers, collecting for the Red Cross tsunami fund, and I don't know how much the total was, but I got about £500. I thought the weather was bad then, but after we all got to the bank, which opened specially just to count the money, the wind starting howling and now the rain is horizontal! So I think someone was looking out for us, even if we didn't see it at the time!

[purplehawk]

Purplehawk, I thought this thread is for encouragement, not debate. :angel: ;)

One would hope. It's encouragement I'm looking for in asking the question, though. Or maybe reassurance would be a better choice of word. Is this man's message of hatred and racism prevalent among the Southern Baptist ministry?

[GryffindorGr]

One would hope. It's encouragement I'm looking for in asking the question, though. Or maybe reassurance would be a better choice of word. Is this man's message of hatred and racism prevalent among the Southern Baptist ministry?
I dont know about it's prevalance but...
First and foremost, it would be a disgusting display of misuse from a man who has the ability to sway an audience with his “charm” and fervor, to use his hate and blind fury and hides it in the name of God. It’s very sad but you know, you hear this kind of thing all the time and you just feel even sadder because it turns a lot of people away from what God and Jesus should represent. Which is about love and caring about everyone, in the bad and good of us that we are representative of. (we should all be smart enough, and wary enough to know the difference) but if he is preaching about God and the separation of races, isn’t that common sense enough that he’s using it for his own agenda? Twisting terms and creating honey sweet words in the disguise of energy and fervent desire to those already harboring dislike, and extreme dislike of other races?

Well I don’t know who this Edgar Ray Killen is, so instead, I looked him up really quick on google, (not very many good sites) and one of my thoughts were, perhaps since he was a former KKK member, he wanted to atone for his prejudice and meanness earlier in life and preach the words of God, and then maybe he couldn’t do it so instead, used those words and misused it to show that God can be on his side and incite those already who are in the hate section against other races…so instead of preaching love, he preaches hatred and separation.(if he is indeed preaching this) But honestly most of us don’t know much about him so i don’t want to judge him but make some opinions and comments.

Even if I knew more about the facts of his life and what he’d done, I still wouldn’t judge him. (we'd certainly make psychological inquiries of his past and childhood behaviors, and his peers and if he's been abused, etc) Maybe in another alternative, he is still harboring hate and fury over things that happened to him earlier in life and he never “healed” you know? (Some people just have mental problems too) And although he seems to have the gift of gab,(if he managed to be a minister Baptist or that he’s got lots of followers already) he hasn’t healed parts of his hatred…and without healing, how can he heal other people?? And only has the ability to have followers who follow his own kind of emotional hate? Birds of a feather flock together I guess. Misery loves company?
And lastly, if he killed those people, justice usually gets them later in life.
As encouragement, to any denomination, is just remember what a God is suppose to represent to us. Memory is important because it seems as if people forget so much and only cave into their own emotional turmoil and past hurts, therefore making the wrong choices the rest of their lives and that’s my take on that.

[danfan4ever]

EDITED. Irrelevant to this thread...Jofp Gallagher

You should probably post this in the "Does God exist" thread or the one you said you saw this in. Ask someone there. This will just strike debate and that's not what this thread is about.

Glad to hear you all did so good on your drive! We are doing one at our school next week.

[anabel]

Please don't post that in the Does God Exist thread! It has nothing to do with whether God exists, but with how his name is misused and his word is misrepresented.

[purplehawk]

It has nothing to do with whether God exists, but with how his name is misused and his word is misrepresented.

Aye.

[danfan4ever]

Hey everyone! I'm so excited because we think we may have found us a new preacher! Now all we need is a new youth director and we'll be set!

[ultimate sacrifice]

Woot! Woot! Go DanFan4ever, so glad you shared your joys with us! Keep asking the Lord to provide you with the right person for the youth ministry position, There is a person out there who is just right for your congregation! Keep us posted as we all pray for God to send the right person for the youth at your church!

My major was Christian Education and my concentration was in youth ministry, so I know a little bit about what you are talking about. I believe ministry is a calling and youth ministry these days is such an important aspect of the life of the church. I'll be praying...if you would like to owl me with the name of your church and location, I'll talk do some talking to Jesus about it!

[danfan4ever]

Thanks :)!
I was reading Matthew 24 and was wondering what you all think about it. Do you see the signs???

Our school started our drive today! Our church raised like $2,000 for them! It's great to see everyone unite together for a good cause! A church not too far from here that is HUGE raised $300,000!!!!!!!!! It's great I know!

I can't wait until I get a job because I'm going to do the adopt a kid project! It's going to be great!

Hope everyone had a great day! ;)

[tgraveline]

lol, yeah our church raised like 22,000 one sunday morning which was quite impressive i thought. Yeah there are some huge churches just giving and giving. Its very cool to see Christians doing what we are about. And thats helping people and giving love.

tg

[ultimate sacrifice]

Hi everyone, read a neat little devotion today, this line stuck with me:

"Faith doesn't get you around trouble, it get's you through it."

Blessings,

Ultimate Sacrifice

[Wandering Bard]

Our school started our drive today! Our church raised like $2,000 for them! It's great to see everyone unite together for a good cause! A church not too far from here that is HUGE raised $300,000!!!!!!!!! It's great I know!

While I agree that the donations are a good thing, I think that the self congratulatory pats on the back are undeserved: considering how great the need is. We all have a responsibilty to help those in need and should not limit ourselves to giving only when eyes are upon us.

[Alfonzo]

I found an interesting article on worship today which brings up some good points. Here's the link:

It's All About Who, Jesus? (http://www.christianitytoday.com/leaders/newsletter/2004/cln40830.html)

I personally feel that it is true - we do focus on ourselves far too much, and I suppose the way to get past that is to fix our eyes on Jesus, through Bible-study and prayer. It always comes back to Bible-study and prayer! :D

[ultimate sacrifice]

I found an interesting article on worship today which brings up some good points. Here's the link:

It's All About Who, Jesus? (http://www.christianitytoday.com/leaders/newsletter/2004/cln40830.html)

I personally feel that it is true - we do focus on ourselves far too much, and I suppose the way to get past that is to fix our eyes on Jesus, through Bible-study and prayer. It always comes back to Bible-study and prayer! :D

Hi Alfonzo,

I read the article and found it very interesting and I think the writer "hit the nail on the head" so to speak! Forwarded it on to the pastor and youth pastor at my church. I am serving as worship leader and doing the children's sermon this Sunday, so it was a timely. Thanks!

I couldn't agree more about the Tsunami relief effort. This scripture comes to mind.

Matthew 6-18..."Beware of practicing your rightousness before men to be noticed by them; other wise you have no reward with your father who is in heaven. So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpert before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you."

The commentary in my bible says this:" Christ discusses three pharisaic practices of piety: almsgiving, prayer, and fasting...."that your giving will be in secret". Jewish tradition said that there was in the Temple a "chamber of secrets" into which the devout used to put their gifts in secret so that the poor could receive support there from in secret."

Jesus goes on to say more about prayer and fasting. Something for all of us to keep in mind as we serve our Lord.

Oh my goodness, JKR said that the second book, "Chamber of Secrets" holds clues to how the story will play out! I wonder if there is something to this scripture passage and Harry's journey in the next two books, I've always thought that he will return to the "Chamber of Secrets"! Ahhh! JKR used phraseology straight from the New Testement and Jewish Tradition...what could that mean? It has to do with that power behind the door that melted Harry's knife, I'm telling ya! Okay...I'm getting too excited! :blush:

[danfan4ever]

While I agree that the donations are a good thing, I think that the self congratulatory pats on the back are undeserved: considering how great the need is. We all have a responsibilty to help those in need and should not limit ourselves to giving only when eyes are upon us.

And that applies to what I said because? At my school drive, many of us Christains didn't want anyone to know how much we put in. We don't want the pat on the backs. :huh:

Anyways, I noticed something during the church the past 2 weeks. As some of you may or may not know, I am a very strong opionated person in the "Does God exist" thread. Sometimes people ask questions that I can answer, but I don't entirely know the answer myself. Well, these ALL the questions that I doubted all came up in church from either the Sunday before last till this past Wednesday. They have all been answered and I fully understand now. Some may say its a coincedence(sp?), but I know it's God helping me out!
I just had to share this, it has just inspired me so much this week!

[ultimate sacrifice]

That's AWESOME, DanFan!

There's a good book by Josh McDowell...Something about answering questions, I bought it about 10 years ago. It was very good, DanFan, but I can't remember the title completely, sorry, if you look under Josh McDowell, you'll find it! He's very good at apologetics.

I just feel so torn about whether or not I should get into any of those threads, I don't feel that God needs me to defend him. He is really quite capable, and frankly, unless the Holy Spirit is guiding me and speaking through me, I can really mess things up! I haven't felt led to go into the various threads and "point/counterpoint" with others about the existence of God and the diety of Christ, etc. That's just my take on things, I'm not being critical or "holier than thou", I promise, I just don't think that I need to debate others about God, some people just want to find a reason to argue and debate and scoff and taunt, so, I just let them, God is really quite able to keep on keepin' on in the face of all the taunting and heckling and scoffing. He's heard it all by now, there isn't one taunt or one jab that he can't take. He is our Holy Heavenly Father and he is Omnipotent and Rightous and it doesn't matter whether a person believes or not, He IS! AND HE LOVES US! How awesome is that, you guys, HE LOVES US! So what if people laugh and taunt and heckle and make jokes about us, really, so what! Be encouraged, DanFan...the KING of KINGS and LORD OF LORDS loves you and dwells in you! (Matthew 10:20)

Remember this scripture in Philippians chapter 2:9-11

"Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Good Night All!

[danfan4ever]

I'm not trying to convince them. I'm just defending my beliefs. I probably shouldn't debate it. Because God has to choose them, well you know what I mean. But I CAN'T take people dissing God either. I know it's nothing God isn't used to. It just makes me mad because of all the wonderful things God does and people fail to see them.

And thanks for your encouragment! I really love everyone here! Everyone has helped me so much with my journey through life.

I'm looking up books from him as I type. He has many. I think I want about 4 of them!

[anabel]

I post in the God thread because when I read the stuff people come out with in there, I just have to respond. Especially when they focus on things like "eating shellfish is evil", and other deliberate misconceptions. Sometimes they pull my posts to pieces, but I reckon if they don't reply to a post it's because they can't come up with a way to trash it. God doesn't need defending, but it worries me that people who are seeking him might be led to believe that only idiots believe the Bible and that God is no longer necessary to us. So I try to add balance to that thread, even though it can be hard when other posters are rude and mock Christian belief. It leaves me quite disheartened sometimes and I may take a break from it, but I never intend to give up saying that God is great and wonderful!

[Wandering Bard]

And that applies to what I said because?

Our church raised like $2,000 for them! It's great to see everyone unite together for a good cause! A church not too far from here that is HUGE raised $300,000!!!!!!!!! It's great I know!

I interpreted this to mean: "Our church raised so much money, isn't it great. Look what good christians we are."

If this was not your intention then I apologise but it is always the case that more can be done.

[danfan4ever]

I interpreted this to mean: "Our church raised so much money, isn't it great. Look what good christians we are."

If this was not your intention then I apologise but it is always the case that more can be done.
Umm, no that wasn't my intention. I mean I'm just saying look how good people can come together for a good cause.

[theprof]

I just found this thread, and I really appreciate the idea behind it! It's great that there are other Christians here who want to "encourage one another and build each other up" (1 Tessalonians 5:11) having a base of other believers is really important--I literally went "whoo-hoo!!!" when I found this! :p

To stick some encouragement of my own, here's a passage that I have clung to a lot recently:
"Though the mountains be shaken and the hills be removed, yet my unfailing love for you will not be shaken, nor my covenant of peace be removed," says the LORD, who has compassion on you.
"Oh you afflicted, lashed by storms and not comforted, I will build you with stones of turquoise, your foundations with sapphires. I will make your battlements of rubies, your gates of sparkling jewels, and all your walls of precious stones.
All your sons will be taught by the LORD, and great will be your children's peace."
Isaiah 54:10-13

I love this, cause it appeals to my ananlogical (if that's not a word, it ought to be! :p ), literary mind as well as my trembling soul. AND it gives me such hope--there's a good future there!!


Oh my goodness, JKR said that the second book, "Chamber of Secrets" holds clues to how the story will play out! I wonder if there is something to this scripture passage and Harry's journey in the next two books, I've always thought that he will return to the "Chamber of Secrets"! Ahhh! JKR used phraseology straight from the New Testement and Jewish Tradition...what could that mean? It has to do with that power behind the door that melted Harry's knife, I'm telling ya! Okay...I'm getting too excited! :blush:

Also, this bit intrigues me! It reminds me that when Jesus died, the VEIL in the temple was torn . . . I think of that every time I read OoTP!!
And I'm curious about the whole power behind the door thing, too--is there somewhere else where you've talked about that? I would love to hear it!!

[danfan4ever]

Just wanted to say :welcome: and hi! Glad you found the thread!


OOOOOOOHHH! I am now a fourth year! Yeay, let's celebrate! ;)

[Wandering Bard]

I mean I'm just saying look how good people can come together for a good cause.


You mean "good christians".

[danfan4ever]

No, people that aren't Christians have come together for this cause. Your over analyzing what I'm saying. If you have a problem with what I said, I'm sorry. This is not a debate room and I do not have to clarify what I said for you. I've tried, you won't reason. That's where I draw the line. This is a Christian encouraging Christian thread. So if you are here to attack us do it somewhere else. :rolleyes:

[Wandering Bard]

This is a Christian encouraging Christian thread. So if you are here to attack us do it somewhere else.


I wasn't trying to attack you, I'm sorry if it felt that way. If I am overanalysing I'm sorry, I just don't like the impression, which I am given from some ppl (not you, as you have now clarified) that Christians are being so generous: they are; but so is the rest of the population. Once again, I am sorry that I misunderstood you.

[danfan4ever]

I wasn't trying to attack you, I'm sorry if it felt that way. If I am overanalysing I'm sorry, I just don't like the impression, which I am given from some ppl (not you, as you have now clarified) that Christians are being so generous: they are; but so is the rest of the population. Once again, I am sorry that I misunderstood you.
It's okay. I just don't like it when it seems like someone is not trying to understand what I'm saying on purpose. Whether you did or not, it just seemed that way. And I'm sorry for getting mad. My temper gets the best of me sometimes. :angel:

[Sherlock Holmes]

Thanks, danfan and Wandering Bard, for handling the misunderstanding in a mature fashion. :tu:

[danfan4ever]

Thanks, danfan and Wandering Bard, for handling the misunderstanding in a mature fashion. :tu:
You know me. I'm as mature as they come. :rotfl: But it's no problem!

[Wandering Bard]

Thanks, danfan and Wandering Bard, for handling the misunderstanding in a mature fashion.

I'm just sorry I drew the wrong conclusion in the first place :blush:

[danfan4ever]

It's all gravy! :tu:

[GryffindorGr]

I post in the God thread because when I read the stuff people come out with in there, I just have to respond.
The God exist/not exist thread can be fun.
It's really all harmless and it's suppose to be fun, even if it gets a bit sarcastic. Isn't there sarcasm in dry humour? It also keeps you on your toes that there are so many views/povs where people see God or not see God.
I do agree that though we're different, we all still want to find answers when we can't agree. It would be totally wierd to have everyone just nod and say yes yes all the time, but honestly, i bet you we pretty much all want the same things in the end.

[Wandering Bard]

I think what the God exists? thread does is to make you think a lot more about your beliefs: which can only be a good thing. I don't think anyone is arrogant enough to assume that they can change anyone's beliefs. The variety of everyone's beliefs should be proof enough that we could very easily wrong and that should hopefully help everyone to be more tolerant, and a lot more humble.

And as GryffindorGr said, it woud be very weird if we all agreed on everything.

[danfan4ever]

It does keep you on your toes. I have found I have learned so much just by being there because oh the questions some people ask. It makes you look into it.

[PhoenixUK]

I think what the God exists? thread does is to make you think a lot more about your beliefs: which can only be a good thing. I don't think anyone is arrogant enough to assume that they can change anyone's beliefs.
Isn't that part of Christianity, though, both evangelising and also constantly criticising and reevaluating your faith? Even if you believe in God you should as such believe that God gave us the ability to be rational and hence if we use logic to decide that God doesn't exist, then it's upholding rather than attacking faith to yourself.

Hiding behind your faith and not allowing it to be attacked is a sign that you're blindly following your faith. It's what happens in cults, and it's a credit to Christianity that some of the most well thought out attacks and critiques of Christian thinking have come from within Christianity itself.

[danfan4ever]

So, how was everyone's weekend? Everyone ready for a great week of work and school?

[ultimate sacrifice]

So, how was everyone's weekend? Everyone ready for a great week of work and school?

Had a good weekend, DanFan, Church was uplifting and the kids are out of school today, so we are hanging out, my daughter went to the movies with a friend last night and then her friend stayed all night, they are in the living room playing game cube games with my 9 year old son, he's loving the challenge!

We took my daughters basketball team to see Coach Carter Sat. night, it was a good movie! The girls really liked it and seemed moved by the message. We have one girl on the team who isn't making grades, so she's not playing right now, I think she was encouraged to get to work and get her grades up!

Anyway, thanks for asking! We rented King Arthur and Luther last night, watched King Arthur, it was good, going to watch Luther tonight with my hubby!

Have a good day all!

[danfan4ever]

Had a good weekend, DanFan, Church was uplifting and the kids are out of school today, so we are hanging out, my daughter went to the movies with a friend last night and then her friend stayed all night, they are in the living room playing game cube games with my 9 year old son, he's loving the challenge!

We took my daughters basketball team to see Coach Carter Sat. night, it was a good movie! The girls really liked it and seemed moved by the message. We have one girl on the team who isn't making grades, so she's not playing right now, I think she was encouraged to get to work and get her grades up!

Anyway, thanks for asking! We rented King Arthur and Luther last night, watched King Arthur, it was good, going to watch Luther tonight with my hubby!

Have a good day all!
That's great! Speaking of King Aruthur and Luther...I have a test on them Thusday... better start studying :)

[GryffindorGr]

So, how was everyone's weekend? Everyone ready for a great week of work and school?
Very nice and relaxing, :)
Got a lot of work done as well. For a break, got to watch some movies. Very enlightening weekend with some sun and lots of reading done too.
Prayer was in there too and the weeks starting out very well thanks. Don't overstress too much. I never used to pray as much but as a resolution, I'll try and make an effort in meditation. Some people who don't believe in a religion or faith, do meditation each day, and feel that some of these methods help the spirit calm, especially in a very busy life.

[danfan4ever]

Very nice and relaxing, :)
Got a lot of work done as well. For a break, got to watch some movies. Very enlightening weekend with some sun and lots of reading done too.
Prayer was in there too and the weeks starting out very well thanks. Don't overstress too much. I never used to pray as much but as a resolution, I'll try and make an effort in meditation. Some people who don't believe in a religion or faith, do meditation each day, and feel that some of these methods help the spirit calm, especially in a very busy life.
Glad to hear it! Yeay page 7!

[danfan4ever]

Wow, we had a fill in youth minister tonight! He was awesome! He was funny, but he got your attention at the same time! He brought out a good verse I think it was Exodus 3:12-16 or so. He also brought up a point. A candle doesn't look so bright in a well lit room, but a candle looks like a bright star we the lights out. Think of the light being the Christians. So if you are ever like the only Christian around, just think of yourself as the one bright light that can shine light onto other around you! We need to keep this thread going! I love telling you guys about this stuff because I know you all will be happy to hear it. Can't wait to hear from you guys!
dannygirl!

[ultimate sacrifice]

You make me Smile, DanFan!

Thanks for the update! I loved your candle analogy! For Childrens sermon this past Sunday I did a little message using four candles, their names were faith, peace, love and hope. My children helped me, it was a neat experience.

Keep us posted on your progress!

[danfan4ever]

You make me Smile, DanFan!

Thanks for the update! I loved your candle analogy! For Childrens sermon this past Sunday I did a little message using four candles, their names were faith, peace, love and hope. My children helped me, it was a neat experience.

Keep us posted on your progress!
Glad to make you smile! I bet the children loved that!

[anabel]

Wow, we had a fill in youth minister tonight! He was awesome! He was funny, but he got your attention at the same time! He brought out a good verse I think it was Exodus 3:12-16 or so. He also brought up a point. A candle doesn't look so bright in a well lit room, but a candle looks like a bright star we the lights out. Think of the light being the Christians. So if you are ever like the only Christian around, just think of yourself as the one bright light that can shine light onto other around you! We need to keep this thread going! I love telling you guys about this stuff because I know you all will be happy to hear it. Can't wait to hear from you guys!
dannygirl!
I like that! Even a feeble candle flame can't be extinguished by the darkest of darkness. As long as the flame burns it gives light to it's surroundings. And with enough candles, there will be no darkness left.

[danfan4ever]

I like that! Even a feeble candle flame can't be extinguished by the darkest of darkness. As long as the flame burns it gives light to it's surroundings. And with enough candles, there will be no darkness left.
I'm glad you like it! I was so inspired by it, I figured everyone here would like it as well. :tu: I'm glad everyone does.

[anabel]

Keep up the good work! :agree: :D

[danfan4ever]

Keep up the good work! :agree: :D
I'll try :).. Anyways, everyone ready for the weekend? I sure am!

[Mundungus Fletc]

I like candle analogies. One of my favourites is 'stop whining about the darkness - light a candle'

And since it's one of my favourites here is the 'Jesus prayer'

"Lord Jesus Christ Son of God have mercy on me a sinner" It's an extremely old prayer, much used in the Orthodox church, that just about encapsulates everything I believe

[Lane]

Hey there all!! I am a Christian, so I thought I would say hey, and I hope all is well. It is good to see other Christians who are open to Harry Potter!

[anabel]

Hi Lane!

Mundungus, that is one of my favourite prayers for those times when prayer is difficult.

[ultimate sacrifice]

Welcome Lane! and Hi Mundungus, I 've seen some of your posts around the forums, good to have you here!

Have a good weekend everyone, I'm doing kids basketball games and a bridal shower and church. The ice is finally melting off here in Kansas, so, we are going to get our Christmas lights down! My husband was out of town New Years day and when he got back the ice storm had hit, and we are finally going to get the lights down! We haven't had them on since New Years Day, but they are still up on the roof! LOL!

[danfan4ever]

Welcome Lane! and Hi Mundungus, I 've seen some of your posts around the forums, good to have you here!

Have a good weekend everyone, I'm doing kids basketball games and a bridal shower and church. The ice is finally melting off here in Kansas, so, we are going to get our Christmas lights down! My husband was out of town New Years day and when he got back the ice storm had hit, and we are finally going to get the lights down! We haven't had them on since New Years Day, but they are still up on the roof! LOL!
I have a friend that moved here from Kansas and we pick on her by her proper English..LOL. We had a white Christmas but it has been like Spring here since then! Have fun!

By the way :welcome: Lane and HI Mundungus!

[Lane]

I have been to KC and Olathe twice and I loved it so much. I have a friend that went to MidAmerica Nazarene University and a couple who went to the Seminary there. Beautiful campuses and I really enjoyed the drive down from Canada!!

[ultimate sacrifice]

That's amazing Lane, I've been to the campus as well! What a small world, huh? I live about 3&1/2 hours west of Olathe, Ks in a small city. We like it, used to live in Olathe! We like our community and we like our neighborhood and the schools are okay. It's not metropolitan life by any means, but we can get that with a short drive east or west!

[Lane]

yeah, when I was in Olathe I spent most of my time at College Church (I think that is what it is called) which is right on campus of MNU. I was in Kansas for a missionary conference and then also to visit Nazarene Theological Seminary. My University sent me down both times, and they were two of the best weekends ever!!

[Scheherezade]

Thanks for starting this thread.

I just wanted to say that no one should ever forget Jesus' message of overarching love, and i mean overarching love... Which means (to me) that no one should use the message of God to condemn others, no matter what they do. All we can do is love.

That said, I love Harry Potter, and only certain people, (people who obviously have a hard time separating fantasy from reality) would actually think that the world of Harry Potter is real... and if they do, they have greater problems than Harry Potter to worry about.

[danfan4ever]

Tonight at church, we all song hymnals the whole time, and some people got up and sung some songs and stuff! It was really fun tonight! I love sining praises!

[danfan4ever]

Man, tonight at youth was awesome! Our older youth are really pulling together to keep up the youth band and outreach! I say we are doing pretty good with God helping us that is. Our band is doing great, and we have a fill in youth minister who is awesome!
Hope you all are having a great week!