POA: Only 4 students at Hogwarts

[herbertsandbach]

So the rumour is that there is No Cedric Diggory,No Cho Chang,No Lavender Brown,No Patil sisters No Pansy Parkinson.The films seem to concentrating soley on Ron,Harry,Hermione and Draco to the exclusion of the lesser characters. I feel this makes JKR world less rich,whats your opinions ?

[Hannibal "Drax" Lecter]

Film versions of books need to save time rather than waste it on lesser characters that don't really have any grand scale meaning.

Of course, Cedric and Cho play substantial roles in the books, but there's no reason to think that in the film world, Harry doesn't develop his crush on Cho until Forth Year.

[HermioneJG]

i agree with u Hannibal. I think that in the film world, people should concentrate on Harry, of corse, we know that Cedric and Cho are very important, but their role seems to be less important than Harry, Ron and Hermione!. that's why they dont have the character u said.

[dumbleedore]

With a plot like PoA, it's just not feasable to have every single student mentioned in the movie- unless something happens when they're introduced making them nessecary. Dennis Creevey for instance- I doubt he'll get introduced unless he becomes important to the plot later on.

[Neonorne]

Cho and Cedric are not important in PoA the book either - they are only briefly mentioned. It's in GoF they both play a major part in the story. The films cannot cram everything from the books in. They need to choose just a few central themes and then concentrate on telling those in a way that makes sense. In PoA the main theme is everything that revolves around or branches out from Sirius and his fate, and what Harry learns about himself and his parents through getting involved in this, so that is what the film should concentrate on. Would be a disaster if for instance the complicated time turner twist were not given enough screen time to make any sense. So it's ok that neither of these minor characters is cast for PoA. Same as I have no problems with the fact that they seem to let Slytherin and Gryffindor share most classes. After all, the Slytherin and Gryffindor conflict is central to the series, and if they were strictly true to canon here, they might not get enough screen time for the Slytherins to make this conflict even evident to the public. After all, they cannot show every class ever mentioned in the books.

They should make a tv-series to get in all the subplots and littlel quirks and details of the Potterverse. In that format there would be time enough to do it. On the other hand, each episode of a tv-series wouldn't have that much of a budget, so special effects and CGI scenes wouldn't be as spectacular as these big bugdet films can make them. So yeah, it's a hard world, you can't have everything. Always these cost/benefit analyses to be made....:sigh:

[Sherlock Holmes]

Mugglenet has mentioned tryouts for the Patil twins, and I believe for Cho Chang as well. Their roles could well be compressed, but I doubt they'll be cut completely, as all three play important roles in books 4 and 5. If I'm not mistaken, Cedric Diggory has already been cast and appeared in CoS, as the boy that is threatened by the snake, which Harry calls off using Parselmouth.

[Neonorne]

The casting tryouts for the Patils and Cho are for GoF of course. I guess no one serioulsy doubted that those characters would appear in GoF? At least I assumed that you were only talking about PoA, herbertsandbach -but maybe I was wrong about that. If you worried about the series as a whole, I guess you can sleep well now. And no, that boy in CoS was not Cedric, that was Justin Finch-Fletchly. If that is supposed to be Cedric, some serious miscasting has been done here. No offence to that boy, he is perfectly ok, but he cannot pass as exceptionally handsome. I wish Sean Biggerstaff hadn't already been cast for Wood, a role he really didn't fit that well (no, not talking about his acting abilities, just his appearance) - he would have been such a fantastic Cedric. Oh well....

[Sherlock Holmes]

Ah, you're right, that was Justin Finch-Fletchly in CoS. Anyhow, I wouldn't worry too much about PoA leaving out too many characters: minor characters-who-turn-into-major-characters haven't been left out before (for example, Ginny in the Sorceror's Stone).

[hawk1245]

Well, rumor has it that Lavender Brown IS in POA. The supposed Lavender is standing next to Hermione in that pic of the trio during the COMC calss (the one with Ron's weird facial expression). Thesnitch.net has a girl listed as her as well. BUT, Cedric MAY have ahad a 'cameo' when you think about it. Right when mcgonagall calls the quidditch match off, Hufflepuff players can be seen flying in the backround. n reality, they probably took the Slytherin players and gave coloured their robes yelow. You can also briefly see Madame Hooch in the backround in the same scene. She was obviously played by a double though. And also, you are forgeting Crabbe, Goyle, Seamus, Neville, Dean Thomas and Lee Jordan, and fred and George, etc et... There just so many characters, only so many can be in the movie.

[Cat]

It's certainly possible that Lavender is in it. They don't have to do a song and dance every time somebody is cast. They could cast children as 'students' and credit some of the actors with character names afterwards.

Anyway, the fact that there is no Cedric or Cho is understandable, since they aren't making a big fuss with Quidditch - having room for only one match, I believe - so the grand entrance of these characters is best left until GoF. I don't think there has been a Parvati, Padma, Pansy or Lavender in any of the movies, so they're not cutting anything out there (I know Lavender and Parvati are quite prominent in the book with the Divination lessons, but all you need there for the sake of the film is a classroom of unspecified students, some of them perhaps with an expression of awe).

Anyway, Neville is not being excluded. Seamus and Dean will probably be there. Fred and George, too. Lee Jordan doing the Quidditch commentary, perhaps? Crabbe and Goyle are there wherever Draco is. Ginny? Percy? There aren't as many named students as in the books, but there's no need to exaggerate!

[hawk1245]

It's certainly possible that Lavender is in it. They don't have to do a song and dance every time somebody is cast. They could cast children as 'students' and credit some of the actors with character names afterwards.

Anyway, the fact that there is no Cedric or Cho is understandable, since they aren't making a big fuss with Quidditch - having room for only one match, I believe - so the grand entrance of these characters is best left until GoF. I don't think there has been a Parvati, Padma, Pansy or Lavender in any of the movies, so they're not cutting anything out there (I know Lavender and Parvati are quite prominent in the book with the Divination lessons, but all you need there for the sake of the film is a classroom of unspecified students, some of them perhaps with an expression of awe).

Anyway, Neville is not being excluded. Seamus and Dean will probably be there. Fred and George, too. Lee Jordan doing the Quidditch commentary, perhaps? Crabbe and Goyle are there wherever Draco is. Ginny? Percy? There aren't as many named students as in the books, but there's no need to exaggerate!

And the Patil twin ARE in the backround in PS during the sorting. You can see a girl with Glasses talking to Hermione, and an identical girn WITHOUT glasses in another corner of the room.

[herbertsandbach]

I enjoyed both movies alot and am looking forward to number 3. I also understand the limitations of the film media. I just didn't think it would have hurt for a brief appearance of Cedric or cho before GOF, or even a name check for one of the other characters mainly for continuity but we'll have to see maybe they will. I seem to be on my own on this. Can't wait for the Yule Ball scene in GOF !!!

[daniel4hp]

I think its good to focus on Harry, Ron, Hermione, and Draco, because by excluding the lesser characters, it makes the plot much tighter and allows them to go into more depth with events that happen, rather than spending needless time developing characters that don't matter much. I suspect that the characters will be there, but they won't be focused on. As nice as it would be to include everything from the books, some stuff has to be cut, and cutting extra characters is a good way to do it.

[Ophelia]

It's certainly possible that Lavender is in it. They don't have to do a song and dance every time somebody is cast. They could cast children as 'students' and credit some of the actors with character names afterwards.

Anyway, the fact that there is no Cedric or Cho is understandable, since they aren't making a big fuss with Quidditch - having room for only one match, I believe - so the grand entrance of these characters is best left until GoF. I don't think there has been a Parvati, Padma, Pansy or Lavender in any of the movies, so they're not cutting anything out there (I know Lavender and Parvati are quite prominent in the book with the Divination lessons, but all you need there for the sake of the film is a classroom of unspecified students, some of them perhaps with an expression of awe).

Anyway, Neville is not being excluded. Seamus and Dean will probably be there. Fred and George, too. Lee Jordan doing the Quidditch commentary, perhaps? Crabbe and Goyle are there wherever Draco is. Ginny? Percy? There aren't as many named students as in the books, but there's no need to exaggerate!

*throws confetti* Yes! Seamus will still be POA! Seamus is the best!!!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: I hope they keep the same actor at least up until movie five... I don't know why, but I love that kid!

I was sad to see that Wood wasn't going to be in POA (at least, Sean B) One of my fav' lines is concerning Wood (well....I guess they could still mention it but not show him...but I really wanted to see Wood so happy about winning the Cup)

"Where is Wood?" said Harry, suddenly realising he wasn't there.
"Still in the showers," said Fred. "We think he's trying to drown himself."
POA American edition, pg. 180
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: I love that line!!!

[MnMbabe]

I hope everyone comes back! I too was sad that Sean B. wasnt going to be in PoA! ah, well. What can ya do though? im just mainly glad the trio is going to be in PoA and GoF. hopefully they will continue with the other movies! It would be a shame if they didnt.

[jasper]

They have to leave out some of it, obviously. I think Oliver Wood is going to be a big loss, but the other students won't be so bad.

[hawk1245]

*throws confetti* Yes! Seamus will still be POA! Seamus is the best!!!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: I hope they keep the same actor at least up until movie five... I don't know why, but I love that kid!

I was sad to see that Wood wasn't going to be in POA (at least, Sean B) One of my fav' lines is concerning Wood (well....I guess they could still mention it but not show him...but I really wanted to see Wood so happy about winning the Cup)

"Where is Wood?" said Harry, suddenly realising he wasn't there.
"Still in the showers," said Fred. "We think he's trying to drown himself."
POA American edition, pg. 180
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: I love that line!!!

I still kinda wonder why they cut him. I mean, just to have him in the backround with no lines, like Dean Thomas (he gets one line each movie), I mean, why not have him there? I don't care much, it just puzzles me. I suppose the shower scene could still be there. Cause they will probably show HP in the hospital wing after the match, so it's accuate to the book to not have him in that scene. They probably won't mention his name, because it might confuse people who don't rember him well from the first two. But it could still work. I think they could have Fred say "It's no big deal Harry." Then Ron could say "So the team is okay with Harry not getting the snitch?" and George could say "Well, our captain is still in the showers, and we reckon he is trying to drown himself, but other then that..." and Harry then grimaces.

[hawk1245]

I can not understand why they would cut Oliver Wood as it is actually that characters defining moment when they take the Quidditch Cup. So it seems a pity really that he will not go out with glory in the same way as shown in the PoA. Then again Oliver might return for films 6 and 7 if they get around to doing them that is.

Well, I can PERFECTLY see why the whole quidditch cup was cut out, that would take up too much time and would distract some viewrs from the Black part of the plot. But I don't understand why Oliver couldn't at least be seen flying around in the quidditch scene or something, it just seems odd.

[pegoheart144]

Film versions of books need to save time rather than waste it on lesser characters that don't really have any grand scale meaning.

Of course, Cedric and Cho play substantial roles in the books, but there's no reason to think that in the film world, Harry doesn't develop his crush on Cho until Forth Year.Not to mention saving some money. They have to pay all the extras even if they don't speak any lines.

[DarkMark90]

Like most other people, I'm sad they cut Wood. He has a bigger role in PoA than in CoS or SS. Its really stupid that they cut Wood.

[pegoheart144]

Since they've cut a lot of Quidditch scenes there's no reason to have Wood. In the game during the rain conditions were so bad that they couldn't identify the players well. So it wouldn't matter that much that they don't identify all the players on the team.

As I said before it costs money every time they add a character. They can't have all of their production costs taken up by extras. There are other more important characters that add directly to the plot.

[jasper]

I think Wood is a great loss. I think the emphasis on quidditch is POA needs to be there. The fight with Hermione over the Firebolt- I just don't think it comes across logical without win-at-all-costs-Wood. We're going to see Harry and Ron toss her friendship to the side without having Wood there to role model that level of fanaticism.

[hawk1245]

I think Wood is a great loss. I think the emphasis on quidditch is POA needs to be there. The fight with Hermione over the Firebolt- I just don't think it comes across logical without win-at-all-costs-Wood. We're going to see Harry and Ron toss her friendship to the side without having Wood there to role model that level of fanaticism.

I don't really care much. I mean, we still ahve the books, right? But yeah, the reason he was cut was for two resons: #1 The cup and The Firebolt (though its still there in the film) aren't that important and they would take too much time to set up properly, peopl with short attention spans would get it if you introduced it in five seconds, #2 Like many have said, it costs MONEY to have so much as one character to have lines.

[jasper]

Are we really quite sure budget issues- budget concerns- are in the forefront when decisions are being made in the WB Harry Potter movies? I mean, if this is really a reason that's put out there by the studio, I'll buy into it. But since I really haven't read much about the movie at all, I'm hard pressed to believe that they are sparing expenses or counting the cost in this way. The movie is going to rake in big. All it has to do is not stink, and they'll recover whatever they spend.

Really, I think time constraints and the pacing of the action are much more likely to matter.

[Neonorne]

I somehow can understand those of you who say: why couldn't Woold at least be in the background somewhere? That is because we as fans who know the book, love that character and would be pleased just to have a glimpse of him. (Not to mention those who would just love a glimpse of Sean, no matter his function in the film) But the point of the film is not to be an illustrated companion to the book. It's supposed to be and independent work of art on it's own. And if the Quidditch Cup theme is cut, and no whole matches are shown, he really have no function in the film at all. Why have Biggerstaff on the pay roll then? I am sure he is payed more than the ordinary extras, both because he is older, already has an acting carreer, and has been paid as a minor charactrer till now. And of course studios make that kind of considerations, they do this for the profit of it, not the love of Potter - that's possibly the director, scriptwriter etc, but not the budget guys. So they will not pay for Sean if he is not needed. And he is not.

Because I understand why they cut the Quidditch cup theme in the movie. Think about it. Wood of the films so far has not at all been shown as the fanatical Quidditch captain he is in the books. He barely has more than one line in each film. So what if winning the Quidditch cup is the defining moment of that character? We haven't gotten to know that character at all in the films, and we certainly haven't been told anything about the Quidditch cup. Heck, they haven't even gotten the rules of the game straight. If they wanted to focus on that cup now, they would need to take quite an amount of screentime to develop all this, otherwise the cup lifting moment wouldn't mean anything within the film. But that would be a disastrous waste of screen time when you consider how many other important themes they have to make sense of. Oliver is great, BUT he is a minor character, and the Quidditch cup is just a small subplot, it adds flavour but is not necessary.

And no, I don't agree Wood is necessary to understand the conflict between Ron and Hermione either. They ougth to consentrate that one around Scabbers and Crookshanks. That's central to the plot, and also enough to show the tension between those two characters. The Firebolt is actually not necessary. If they show only one match, they don't need it.

[pegoheart144]

I somehow can understand those of you who say: why couldn't Woold at least be in the background somewhere? That is because we as fans who know the book, love that character and would be pleased just to have a glimpse of him. (Not to mention those who would just love a glimpse of Sean, no matter his function in the film) But the point of the film is not to be an illustrated companion to the book. It's supposed to be and independent work of art on it's own. And if the Quidditch Cup theme is cut, and no whole matches are shown, he really have no function in the film at all. Why have Biggerstaff on the pay roll then? I am sure he is payed more than the ordinary extras, both because he is older, already has an acting carreer, and has been paid as a minor charactrer till now. And of course studios make that kind of considerations, they do this for the profit of it, not the love of Potter - that's possibly the director, scriptwriter etc, but not the budget guys. So they will not pay for Sean if he is not needed. And he is not.

Because I understand why they cut the Quidditch cup theme in the movie. Think about it. Wood of the films so far has not at all been shown as the fanatical Quidditch captain he is in the books. He barely has more than one line in each film. So what if winning the Quidditch cup is the defining moment of that character? We haven't gotten to know that character at all in the films, and we certainly haven't been told anything about the Quidditch cup. Heck, they haven't even gotten the rules of the game straight. If they wanted to focus on that cup now, they would need to take quite an amount of screentime to develop all this, otherwise the cup lifting moment wouldn't mean anything within the film. But that would be a disastrous waste of screen time when you consider how many other important themes they have to make sense of. Oliver is great, BUT he is a minor character, and the Quidditch cup is just a small subplot, it adds flavour but is not necessary.

And no, I don't agree Wood is necessary to understand the conflict between Ron and Hermione either. They ougth to consentrate that one around Scabbers and Crookshanks. That's central to the plot, and also enough to show the tension between those two characters. The Firebolt is actually not necessary. If they show only one match, they don't need it.
Wonderful point you made and I agree totally. Very well put. :tu:

[SilverWings]

The only thing that is bad about movies is that if you were to take an ENTIRE HP book, you'll have a 4-5 hour movie. Due to the fact that they don't have time nor the money do due such a thing (and if they did, I"m sure that you'd not hear one complaint from me) they have to know where and who to cut from the actual books. I was a little bit sad when they didn't bring back Sean B. but what can you do. He doesn't nessessarily place a huge role in telling the story. I also don't think that they will make a huge ephases (sp?) on Cedric until the 4th movie when he gets killed and Harry is competing against him.

Also, the past 2 movies haven't show the Patils either, but they mentioned Pavarti in the first movie when Nevile tells Harry and Ron that Hermonie had been in the bathroom crying all afternoon. Its little things like that that you'll see done in movies. Books, you can go into so much detail and movies you have 2 major things against you. Time and Money.

Mandi

[herbertsandbach]

So the final Cast list is out and we do have a Lavender Brown,Pansy Parkinson and Parvati Patel........

Not sure why they have immediately re-cast for GOF a potentially different Pavati then the one in POA though.

All the trailers look awesome....LET ME SEE THE GOD **** FILM !!!!!!!!

[Lupins Lover]

Pansy Parkinson is in PoA. I'm sure....... I'm sure I read somewhere in list of pictures about her being in the background, or standing beside Malfoy, or something like that.
I'm sure she's in it. But its not like she's a high profile character who people will make a fuss over her casting, so you never know, I could be right....... :)

[yo_dawg_sup?]

Pansy Parkinson is in PoA. I'm sure....... I'm sure I read somewhere in list of pictures about her being in the background, or standing beside Malfoy, or something like that.
I'm sure she's in it. But its not like she's a high profile character who people will make a fuss over her casting, so you never know, I could be right....... :)
yep heres a pic of here in PoA
http://images.mugglenet.com:8001/poa/stickerbook/sb5.jpg

[PaDfOoT5]

yeah, Pansy isnt really what I expected but oh well. Im really excited to see what Cedric, Lavender, and Parvati look like.

[OrlisGrape]

Pansy isn't AT ALL what I thought she'd look like. I imagined this girl with long black hair and glasses, with big teeth. I guess becuase she picks on the Trio so much , that she'd probably be one who was picked on too.

[herbertsandbach]

So I've seen the film and I think my initial fears over POA deleting minor characters was completely justified. Dean Thomas,Ginny & Percy Weasley,Mrs Weasley were all 1 line a piece. The only counter to this was the animal noise candy scene which was the hint of the freindship that is needed and doesn't take up much screen time. More small hints like this please for the future. Even Ron's input was left at witty one liners.

[rainbow84uk]

I don't agree Wood is necessary to understand the conflict between Ron and Hermione either. They ougth to consentrate that one around Scabbers and Crookshanks. That's central to the plot, and also enough to show the tension between those two characters.

Well they barely even do that...

[ninakix]

they didn't even really concentrate on scabbers and crookshanks... it was such a peicey movie.
parvati was in there... i really liked the casting for it. i also noticed alot of the gryffindor boys, which was nice. you don't see them hanging around as a group too much. :(

[jo schmo]

to tell everybody the truth, after seeing the first movie and finding it to be a mockery of the whole series i don't think the movies should even be linked to the books, but movies do that to their books (they take stuff out and add things in) and that is why i make a point of either reading the book or watching the movie. but, pertaining to taking the characters out, i think that that is taking major parts of the plotline out. if those characters are out, there will never be the harry and cho affair. cedric would not die and because of that he could never see the thestrals and from there he could never get to the ministry of magic because he cannot see the thestrals to ride them there. i have not yet seen PoA but am planning on to because of the new director and am hoping for a little less disappointment but am not expecting much. just my two cents

[rhtruluv]

They r holding auditions for parvati so she couldnt be there