SPOILERS: PoA Flitwick

[advil]

What was up with Prof. Flitwick in PoA? In the first two movies he looked all... Goblin-ish. In this one he looked like a normal person.. Just really small.

Was that even flitwick? Who conducted the choir for the "Double double toil and trouble" song, and when Sirius slashed the Fat Lady and he was walking with Snape and Dumbledore... I'm pretty sure it was him, but not positive..


Do any of you know if it was?

[Josiah45]

I think it was a new flitwick. I hate how they changed people up but hey its still an awesome movie!

[dafyd]

Was that even flitwick? Who conducted the choir for the "Double double toil and trouble" song, and when Sirius slashed the Fat Lady and he was walking with Snape and Dumbledore... I'm pretty sure it was him, but not positive..According to the IMDb - http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0304141/fullcredits - he's just 'Wizard', played by Warwick Davis. Same actor, just no makeup, and no name!

[hawk1245]

I remember Warwick Davis saying he wasn't playing Flitwick in POA, that he was now the hogwarts music instructor. Don't remember where. Makes sense to me. He also talks different. When he says "No Headmaster" it isn't Flitwick voice, it sound almost like a french accent.

[advil]

Ah I see, thanks for clearing that up. I liked the old Flitwick :(.

[Stephen]

Me too, advil... me too...

[alterego]

this new character looks kinda nazish.

[dafyd]

this new character looks kinda nazish.I wouldn't go that far... but yeah, he does look kinda like a German teacher at my school!

[Stephen]

I didn't like him. Why not just have Flitwick conduct? They better have the good ol' Flitwick back in GoF.

[meg2101]

Noooo, not Professor Flitwick!!! He was my favorite! I haven't seen the movie as of yet, but I sure hope they didn't change him...

[ThruTheVeil]

I was so mad that they changed Flitwick. And yes, dafyd, he is just "Wizard." I saw that in the credits and almost went nuts. Warwick Davis is "Flitwick," not "Wizard!" Who comes up with these things? Honestly!

[Auror Williamson]

But the credits say "wizard" because in PoA, Warwick is not playing Flitwick. He is just playing a "wizard".

[advil]

"Accio Flitwick"


nothing :(

[ThruTheVeil]

But the credits say "wizard" because in PoA, Warwick is not playing Flitwick. He is just playing a "wizard".

Right, I understand that. I'm upset that he is just playing a wizard.

[bowlwoman]

The first time I saw him, I thought he looked like Ben Stiller. :D

Possible Spoilers:





Flitwick didn't really have a role in this story, so I'm glad they at least kept Warwick Davis in the movie (even incognito). There were several teachers missing this time around: Sprout, Flitwick, Hooch, Madam Pomfrey. They are all pretty minor characters in the book (important, but not major), so I can see why they were gone. Even McGonagall got the shaft with a couple of headshots and one brief scene.





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bowlwoman

[harripottrfreek]

I was thinking the same thing...I was like I just don't think that's Flitwick, he's the same height, but doesn't make him that character. So yeah...I think the actual Flitwick will reappear later on and he was just playing a double role (well it would have been double if Flitwick would have been seen)...

[daniel4hp]

It makes sense that they cut Flitwick, since there was no point in having him in the movie, nor would it particularly make sense to have Flitwick be music instructor. So I'm fine with the change. But maybe that's just because I didn't feel any particular like (or dislike) for Flitwick's movie character.

[Marisa]

Wow... I never noticed, I just thought that the music instructor was Prof. Flitwick...

[jasper]

I hated the way Flintwick/ Warwick Davis looked in the first two films. They made the actor look like a goblin puppet. He looks better in PoA-- if he's playing Flintwick or not.

[dafyd]

nah - i don't like the new one as much as the old one, but why can't they just make him more 'normal'?! surely not all small people in harry potter look like goblins or (i quote from above) a nazi!

[hawk1245]

Just a thought, wouldn't it be funny if in GOF they had both Flitwick AND Choir Instructor Wizard in the same film? Thats would be interesting, but I doubt it.

[AvatarofTime]

He looked like a tiny Charlie Chaplin, I think. :p

[Prometheus]

I hated the way Flintwick/ Warwick Davis looked in the first two films. They made the actor look like a goblin puppet. He looks better in PoA-- if he's playing Flintwick or not.

I agree completely- in the books Flitwick is a normal human (though tiny), so why make him into something different in the films? What was he meant to be anyway? Was he part goblin or house elf or something like that?

[Dottie]

this new character looks kinda nazish.

I'm not so sure how Warwick Davis looked anything like a "Nazi" in the film. I didn't see any red band around his arm with a swastika, by any means. But now I'm really curious to hear your explination on how you came to this conclusion. :)

[HPs_Lil_witch]

...i just have pone thing to say...whoever sia dbut it is still an awesome movie is right...we spend so much time finding mistakes we dont concentrate ont he good points lol

[Magical_Me]

The old Flitwick would have had more chance of giving kiddies nightmares than any Dementors or Basilisks. Honestly, he looked like a muppet gone horribly wrong.

[Zydeko]

don't tell me the actor played flitwick in the first and second films died like the actor played albus dumbledore. we are losing good actors. it is bad. it is sad.

[dafyd]

don't tell me the actor played flitwick in the first and second films died like the actor played albus dumbledore. we are losing good actors. it is bad. it is sad.It's the same actor, not the same character - the new small guy isn't Flitwick... we think!

[jasper]

He's not dead. He's just not made up a muppet gone horribly wrong (thatkyou, Magical_Me!)

according to his web site, http://www.warwickdavis.co.uk/, his character on PoA is "Professor" and in the earlier movies it was "Prof. Flintwick."

From looking at his list of roles, it seems to me he is usually made up to look non-human. Maybe
Columbus had too much of Willow or Leprechaun or even Wicket the Ewok in mind when Warwick Davis was made up for the earlier films. He was apparently the goblin bank teller as well as Flintwick in the first movie.

Anyway, he's alive, and he's going to be playing Marvin, the Paranoid Android in the HitchHiker's guide to the Galaxy! Yea!~

[Silkeng]

I am glad people here knew that wasn't supposed to be Flitwick, it was bugging me. I hope he is back as himself I have always thought Flitwick was adorable.

[RhondaWeasley]

From looking at his list of roles, it seems to me he is usually made up to look non-human. Maybe
Columbus had too much of Willow or Leprechaun or even Wicket the Ewok in mind when Warwick Davis was made up for the earlier films. He was apparently the goblin bank teller as well as Flintwick in the first movie.


But Willow in 'Willow' was a normal (but very short) HUMAN wizard who used his own face and was very cute. I was always rather peeved that they use horrid goblin make-up for a perfectly normal character (he has a perfectly lovely face, why cover it up). Odd that Warwick is playing 'proffessor nobody' in PoA, when (if he's returning) he could just be Flitwick. That's rather stupid, but I'm in favor of less made-up Flitwick, as he's simply playing (like in Willow) a short human wizard.

[dumbleedore]

If it wasn't Flitwick, then I don't mind how he looked. However- if Mike Newell thinks it looked good and keeps him like that in his Flitwick role I won't be happy...

[Loz]

It's Warwick, but it isn't Flitwick, as far as I am aware :). This would be his third character in the Harry Potter films (Go Warwick :clap: )! He seriously is one of the hardest working actors...

[GryfndrHeadGirl]

ugh i thought the flitwick "makeover" was terrible

[Knut4UrThghts]

ugh i thought the flitwick "makeover" was terrible


Me, too. I realize that he's supposed to be a different professor and not Prof Flitwick, but seriously, who DIDN'T think he was Flitwick with a makeover when they saw the movie? I thought he looked like a mini-me version of Adolph Hitler!! Flitwick is one of my favorite characters. Love the scene where they are learning Summoning charms and "Professor Flitwick goes zooming by with a resigned look on his face." Or when he "squeaks and falls off his chair."

[Jedi Potter]

I think he looked fine as a different character. Hopefully they will at least give him a name at some point :p Seriously I think Davis will be back as somebody in the next one I think they like him in these the Potter films.

[Camsin]

I think that once the actors have done one movie, we all think about them as that person in the other movies. We will always see Prof Flitwick as we saw him in the first movie, even if we liked it or not.

That's why it will be hard to change actors, since we have grown accustomed to them already :P

(sorry this was abit off topic)

[Haellinnion]

I've actually met Warwick Davis, nice person. Pity Flitwick isn't in it though perhaps he'll be in the next?

[ravenclaw02]

this new character looks kinda nazish.

:rotfl: When we left PoA for the second time, my brother turned to me and asked, "One thing - why has Flitwick turned into mini-Hitler?"

I read somewhere (and now can't find the quote) that Cuaron wanted to give Flitwick a "more modern" look, which is why he went with the younger (perhaps Hitler-esque) look. However, I hope that they just made him a random wizard instead of Flitwick version 2.0. Flitwick is supposed to be old and grayed and adorable like he was in the first two! I know the movies aren't stickler to canon, but he couldn't just change halfway through the series!

[xharrypotterx]

Well, I thought that Warwick Davis' new character did seem a bit Hitler-esque.

When I first saw PoA and I saw that character, I thought it was Flitwick, and I got really sad. I mean I thought it was kinda random changing a character's appearance so dramatically from one film to the next....and then I saw the credits and breathed a sigh of relief.

Flitwick must make a reapperance in GoF, however, or I will be disapointed. He is the one who teaches the summoning charm to Harry, and without it, how can Harry complete the first task of the Triwizard Tournament?

[ravenclaw02]

Flitwick must make a reapperance in GoF, however, or I will be disapointed. He is the one who teaches the summoning charm to Harry, and without it, how can Harry complete the first task of the Triwizard Tournament?

Good point! I would absolutely keel over and vomit if they cut Flitwick and gave Hermione all of the credit for teaching Harry accio. They do seem to heroine-ize Hermione to the umpteenth degree (at the expense of other characters, ahem, Ron), and I could totally see them pulling something like that!

[xharrypotterx]

I hope, for everyone's sake, that nothing like the removal of professor Flitwick takes place in the GoF movie..haha..unfortunately I can see them pulling something like that.


.....oh, and I would 'keel over and vomit' too........hahaha....

[no1 potter fan]

they made him look stupid fltwick was supposed to be a normal human appart from being very small not some goblin

[hawk1245]

JK never said anything bad about Flitwick, maybe she told them he was part goblin. I mean she told them lots of things, like what Dean Thomas looked like (it was left out of the UK version that he was black, but it present in the US one). I quite liked the way Flitwick looks in the films myself

[Magda Quadle]

During the movie my hubby leans over and says, "What's up with Flitwick's new do?" So if even a non-Potter-head like him noticed what were the rest of us supposed to think?

Cuaron: "Introducing the the newer, younger Flitwick, to go along with the 'groovy Dumbledore'!"

Fans: *scream in frustration*

Cuaron: "Ummm, ok... Introducing the Hogwarts choir master who definitely isn't Flitwick. Yup, he's definitely just a 'wizard'."

Fans: "Look we'll swallow the uniform changes, the Fat Lady's extream makeover, and we'll even choke down the 'groovy Dumbledore', but enough's ENOUGH! GIVE US BACK OUR CHARMS PROFESSOR!!!"

Cuaron: "Ha ha too bad. The movie's already been finished and I've moved on so that another director can add his 'vision'. *cackle's evily* But if you're lucky I'll be back for OotP!"

Fans: "Noooooooooooo... Where the @$%@'s Peter Jackson when you need him!?!"

(ok, I actually did enjoy the film though... just thought I'd poke some fun at the topic :p )

[Daltervia]

Maybe this will be more relavant here:

There were a couple of changes to the staff of Hogwarths from the beginning, which I can see the reason for (less money to pay), but which are kind of funny:

(and a couple of other inconsistancies too!)

Madam Hooch - Philospher's Stone ONLY
Professor Flitwick - PS and COS ONLY
Choir Master - POA ONLY
Madame Sprout - CS ONLY
Madame Pomfrey - COS ONLY
Madame Price -
Quite a few Extra Teachers...

All the Ghosts...

The Bloody Baron, The Fat Fiar and the Grey Lady in PS ONLY
Nearly Headless Nick in PS and Cos Only

Some of the Pupils...

Susan Bones - PS and COS Only
Pansy Parkinson - POA Only
The Boy who reads from his book in Divination about the GRIM. POA Only
Most of the Quiddich Players, or atleast Oliver Wood - Gone in POA
Lee Jordan?
Millicent Bulstrode - COS Only..I think...
Lavender and Pravati make their entrance in POA (?!?!)

Changed Actors (?!?!)

The Fat Lady
Fudge (I think...he looked different)
Dumbledore (But they had too...)
Tom (COMPLETELY CHANGED FROM PS)
Angelina Johnson (?!?!?)

Incidently, did you know that there was someone who played "He Who Must Not Be Named" in PS/SS, and he was different from Voldermort at the End (Ian Hart)...

Any other strange inconsistancies?

[Magical_Me]

Fudge (I think...he looked different)
No, he was the same actor.

And I'm still reading people debating the subject matter. It's been established that the choir master and Flitwick are seperate characters played by the same actor.

[hawk1245]

Here are my explanations

Madam Hooch - Philospher's Stone (she is briefly visible in COS before the ill fated quidditch match against hufflepuff, putting the ball back. And she could have quit in the films)
Professor Flitwick - PS and COS (could just have been not visible, or too busy to be at the staff table.)
Choir Master - POA ONLY (there wasn't a choir formed untill poa from all we know, so they hired him)
Madame Sprout - (the greenhouses are visible in POA during the buckbeak scene, and herbology was mentioned in PS so she was there, we just didn't see her)
Madame Pomfrey - COS ONLY (actually, she IS in POA, and Draco mentionens her name, and you can see her after the quidditch match, and she was giving Harry and Dumbeldore some time alone to talk in PS)
Madame Price (She runs the library, so they probably don't have room for her on the staff table always.
Quite a few Extra Teachers...

All the Ghosts...

The Bloody Baron, The Fat Fiar and the Grey Lady in PS ONLY
Nearly Headless Nick in PS and Cos Only (Its a HUGE castle, they could be floating anywhere.)

Some of the Pupils...

Susan Bones - PS and COS Only (big Hufflepuff table, she could still be there)
Pansy Parkinson - POA Only (same as above)
The Boy who reads from his book in Divination about the GRIM. POA Only (held back a year)
Most of the Quiddich Players, or atleast Oliver Wood - Gone in POA (all the team is SUPPOSED to be there, we just never see them. A male quidditch player in gryffindor clors in in the bed next to harry, it could have been wood)
Lee Jordan (it's too rainy for us to hear his commentary)
Millicent Bulstrode - COS (she is also in PS during the potions class)
Lavender and Pravati make their entrance in POA (Wrong! Different actors played the patil twins and lavendar in the sorting scenen in PS, and Nevvile mentions Pavati during the troll scene)

Changed Actors

The Fat Lady (She's a PAINTING! They could have changed her)
Fudge (same actor)
Dumbledore (But they had too...)
Tom (I personally just imagine that there are two toms, the Landlord, and the Bartender. but thats just me)
Angelina Johnson (Had to, the other one apparently wasn't avalable)

Incidently, did you know that there was someone who played "He Who Must Not Be Named" in PS/SS, and he was different from Voldermort at the End (Ian Hart)... That was a joke. Ian Hart played Quirlle in the scenen in the forest, nad was voldemorts body, the other guy was Voldys(:) vioce and the shape of his face.

PS- Remember that the staff table can only hold so many people so some have to sit somewhere else, there are a LOT of teachers in Hogwarts, and only about 30 or 35 seats at the table. So Madame Pomfrey and Irma Prince sometimes have to go by the wayside so that actual teachers can seat themselves.

[Creatively Evil]

Aw..Flitwick was cool, but I'm not really that mad that they cut him out, compared to a lot of other stuff that was cut. It's just really annoying that we get used to everyone, and then they just leave, get cut, or die (poor Richard Harris :() I think they should keep the trio the whole series, because it'll be really, really weird seeing anyone else playing them.

[T_Z]

Mmmm...
Madame Hooch didn't appear in CoS nor PoA, the actress decided to quit bcos of the "low" payment.

[jasper]

Okay, if it turns out that small Flintwick has some kind of intersting parent (a goblin?) in the way that big Hagrid has a giant for a mom, then I'll forgive the way Professor Flintwick looks in the first two movies. Otherwise, there was no reason for him to look like that.

[hawk1245]

Mmmm...
Madame Hooch didn't appear in CoS nor PoA, the actress decided to quit bcos of the "low" payment.

There is either a CGI or double playing Madame Hooch in COS if you look careflully. Right when Mcgonagal steps behind the field to tell wood the match has been cancelled, you can see two peopl putting the balls away, one is mdame hooch. You can also see Hufflepuff players.

[Qeomash]

I personally liked the old Flitwick. He looked more like a wizard. The new one just looks...odd. Ah well, I guess wizards can go through mid-life crisis too.

[rjade829]

yeah, i wasn't a huge fan of PoA flitwick, but whatever.

Cuaron: "Introducing the the newer, younger Flitwick, to go along with the 'groovy Dumbledore'!"

Fans: *scream in frustration*

Cuaron: "Ummm, ok... Introducing the Hogwarts choir master who definitely isn't Flitwick. Yup, he's definitely just a 'wizard'."

Fans: "Look we'll swallow the uniform changes, the Fat Lady's extream makeover, and we'll even choke down the 'groovy Dumbledore', but enough's ENOUGH! GIVE US BACK OUR CHARMS PROFESSOR!!!"

Cuaron: "Ha ha too bad. The movie's already been finished and I've moved on so that another director can add his 'vision'. *cackle's evily* But if you're lucky I'll be back for OotP!"

Fans: "Noooooooooooo... Where the @$%@'s Peter Jackson when you need him!?!"

HAHAHAHA.
that's funny =)

well personally i loved the uniform changes, and groovy dumbledore didn't bother me *except for the fact that he didn't have light blue eyes*

and why wasn't the fat lady wearing pink??

anyway, according to imdb.com, flitwick's not in GoF...yet anyway.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0330373/fullcredits

[CatsinPixies]

I guess it's because Flitwick really isn't that important of a charecter when it comes to the plot of the story thus far. Too bad though - he was one of the funnier professors in the first movie.

[dobby_rocks]

Yes i dont think that was Professor Flitwick, it was simple the man who played him. In a diffrent role

[Daltervia]

QUOTE (from hawk 1245): but in which film is Madame Price in? I know she was cast, because it has her in the Warner Bros website, with her pic, but I don't remember seeing her in any of the films...

[Magical_Me]

Can I make this perfectly clear?


FLITWICK HAS NOT CHANGED. WARWICK DAVIS WAS PLAYING AN ENTIRELY SEPERATE CHARACTER.

I doubt it will sink in, though.

[jasper]

No- and quit shouting, please :p

The name of the character in the credits isn't enough to clear it up for me.

[Magical_Me]

So does that mean that every charcater that Mike Myers plays in Austin Powers is the same character? Ditto with Eddie Murphy?

Apparently official confirmation doesn't please some people.

[Magda Quadle]

Can I make this perfectly clear?


FLITWICK HAS NOT CHANGED. WARWICK DAVIS WAS PLAYING AN ENTIRELY SEPERATE CHARACTER.

I doubt it will sink in, though.

We know he's not Flitwick in the movies, but we didn't know that until the end credits. Even with the changes they made, we were still able to tell it was the same actor. So it was confusing to fans who didn't stay to see the credits. Even for those of us who did, it was distracting every time we saw him. It broke the reality of the movie, because everytime we saw him we wondered why he looked that way.

By the way, you don't need to yell. It will just end up turning the thread hostile and get it closed down. If you don't like to see people still continuing to confuse the "wizard" with Flitwick, there are always other threads. :) After all, there may still be a few "noob's" out there that want to discuss what they just saw. (Just helpful advice by the way, this wasn't meant as a chastisement. :))

[hawk1245]

QUOTE (from hawk 1245): but in which film is Madame Price in? I know she was cast, because it has her in the Warner Bros website, with her pic, but I don't remember seeing her in any of the films...

She was in COS. You can see her helping a student when Hermione gets the Moste Potente Potions book out. And she sits next to Snape in the final great hall scene, she sticks out like a sore thumb with her crazy outfit. She had a scene in the script where she accepted the form from Hermione, thats why she was cast for that paticular film, but it was cut from the final film to save time. As was much of the Lockhart/Hermione stuff.

[Magical_Me]

Sorry, but I wasn't yelling, I was just making the information stand out. Which is the purpose of bold and caps lock, though it does look like I'm shouting.

[jasper]

Well, if it was like the Myers or Murphy examples, after the PoA choir scene he would have aqppeared in PoA in the traditional Flintwick as well. That is what happened in the first movie where he played a goblin as well as Flintwick.

Official confirmation or not, I'd have made up my mind that the PoA character Warwick plays is how Flintwick should look. :D

Because, see, it's his appearance in the first two films that never pleased me.

So does that mean that every charcater that Mike Myers plays in Austin Powers is the same character? Ditto with Eddie Murphy?

Apparently official confirmation doesn't please some people.