Draco, a thief?

[Justin Etre]

OK, I know the film messes with things, but why cut the scene in the dark arts shop, when Lucius says he hopes that Draco amounts to more than a thief...but then decide to add two scenes of thieving by Draco...the scene in Flourish and Blottes when he tears a page from a book and when he is in his own common room and he steals a little present box...

What was that exactly trying to tell us? Maybe Felton told Columbus that he was sick of fangirls swooning over him, or maybe JKR felt we liked him too much and wanted us to see him as a true baddie. I don't think Draco would sink to the level of thievery, even his evil must be upper class, e.g. buying his way onto a quidditch team

[Fuchsia]

I don't see how this is any change. It shows how little regard he has for the feelings of others.
And it was funny.

[Snidget]

I think that they just put that part in, to sort of show the people, who hadn't read the books, that he was evil. Like they couldn't get it already, but still, that's all I think they put it in for.

[rotsiepots]

Children who have been abused or neglected are more likely to engage in anti-social behaviours, from bullying and fighting to theft and vandalism. Perhaps Columbus was just trying to illustrate the ramifications of Lucius' style of parenting?

[xicanti]

I think it could be a way of reffering to the Knocturn Alley scene in the book without actually including it. Interesting as that scene would've been to see, it would've taken up lots of time, so they can still show what might be an aspect of his character, (it's hard to tell from the book passage whether Lucius actually things Draco is a thief or if he's annoyed that the shop owner would insinuate that his son might be such a thing), by having those two other little bits in other parts of the movie.

[lanifiel]

Theres no degree of evil to him he just chooses options of whatever he wants to do...

[mystically_mad]

we do seem to become involved in draco threads dont we lanni (your new nickname). i havent seen the movie so i cant give my expert opinion

[Justin Etre]

I like Draco as a topic of discussion, he has such hidden depth, i personally can't wait to see the fourth film, the scene where our trio find Draco in the forest by the QWC, when the death eaters appear...just to see how calm he is or isn't.

In the final few books his true colours will really shine through, whether they be red and gold or green and silver. I have a feeling that he feel assist harry, and finally stand up to his dad.

[pasalita]

A theif? I thought of him as more a klepto, actually. I mean, he randomly tears a page out of a random book in random-old Flourish and Blotts. I don't quite understand that.

But, it is an interesting little twist to Draco as a character. Perhaps this was one of the several ways Columbus took the liberty of interjecting his vision of the plot?

[dumbleedore]

Someone has somewhere pointed this out and I thought i'd bring it up again...

Maybe the piece of paper Draco tore was the soloution to the chamber of secrets and he planted it on Hermione somehow... we only know that the page was torn out of a book... we don't know for sure that Hermione tore it out...

Don't shoot me! It's not my thought!

[Emma]

Originally posted by Fuchsia
I don't see how this is any change. It shows how little regard he has for the feelings of others.


This was my opinion, exactly.

[Inkwolf]

I think it's more likely the page had a particularly nasty spell he wanted to learn....

[Justin Etre]

Unlikely I'm afraid inkwolf, as the scene took place in Diagon Alley, where they sell nice things, no evil curses or spells.
So if he wanted a truly nasty spell then shouldn't he have looked in Knockturn Alley?

++Also why was 'Moste Potente Potions' just lying on the shelf ready to be read by any student, shouldn't it have been in the restricted section?

[Tomlover17]

they mentioned that it was in the restriced section...but that area in the movie didnt look like it was all that well gaurded like in the first probably just a mistake

[ronweasleyismyhero]

I considered Draco a kleptomaniac in this movie. I mean, some random page and some random gift? They had Dean Thomas as a pyromaniac in the last one and this time, it was Draco's turn. Chris Columbus just randomly decides to add these things. Oh well - Tom Felton looked very hot in the first scene at Flourish and Blotts :D

[dumbleedore]

The restricted section thing got to me as well... the book was fair too easy to get for a dangerous book!

And we know there is a restricted section, Harry goes into it PS/SS.

Although, why didn't they sneak in under the invisbility cloak and get Moste Potente Potions? Take a peice of parchment and a quill and copy it. It'd add more adventure.

[Justin Etre]

The books in the restricted section automatically know if they are allowed to be read or not, that is why the book Harry picked up screamed when he opened it.

It's magic, enchanted - They know whether or not the person picking them up should be there, hence the book screaming in PS/SS.

[dumbleedore]

I think that book was just a screaming book period.

[HPButterfly]

Originally posted by ronweasleyismyhero
They had Dean Thomas as a pyromaniac in the last one and this time, it was Draco's turn.

Say wha huh?? Dean was a pyro? *Racking brain trying to remember* Help!

Originally posted by ronweasleyismyhero
Oh well - Tom Felton looked very hot in the first scene at Flourish and Blotts :D

Amen brudda! That look he gave when Lucius banged the cane on his shoulder... Woo hoo! lol He was also especially spitty...

[dumbleedore]

It was actually Seamus as the pyro...

Tom Felton (to me) seems to have outgrown his role. He's the eldest of the child cast (he's only a year younger than me!), yet he has the most childish voice! lol! Although, he is delightfully evil.

[Rowena Ravenclaw]

Originally posted by rotsiepots
Children who have been abused or neglected are more likely to engage in anti-social behaviours, from bullying and fighting to theft and vandalism. Perhaps Columbus was just trying to illustrate the ramifications of Lucius' style of parenting?

Makes sense to me. It also shows Draco's sense of entitlement: whatever he wants, he gets, one way or another.

[fawkesthepheonix]

Lol, I was wondering about the stealing! I understand the box in the common room, it seems like something he'd do. (Take something that was lying around) But the book thing? I thought they'd do something with that, but they didn't really. Unless I've missed something big...

[HPButterfly]

Originally posted by dumbleedore
It was actually Seamus as the pyro...

Oh, right! "I don't appreciate the insinuation, Longbottom! And if anyone cares to notice, my eyebrows have completely grown back!" LOL, that must be an insult if you get cracked on by Neville... :D

Originally posted by dumbleedore
Tom Felton (to me) seems to have outgrown his role. He's the eldest of the child cast (he's only a year younger than me!), yet he has the most childish voice! lol! Although, he is delightfully evil.

Hee hee, I don't think he outgrew his role, not yet... Well, he is beginning to look his age (finally!), especially in the Diagon Alley scene. Ha ha! Maybe his being the eldest and having the most childish voice was just something for the role, something to make him look like a spoiled rich brat... Or not. :D

[Mistress of Magic]

I looooooooooooooooooove TOm Felton I think the present thing he was a theif but, the book thing I think he was just being mean so when you buy the book, you will see the page is missing and you will never know what is on the page and you will be mad ^_^ I think he is sooooo hot and I told my friend and she says now she's starting to like him. AND WHEN WILL SOMEONE HOST MY FANFIC!?!!?!?!?!

[*Charmed Child*]

Originally posted by Mistress of Magic
I looooooooooooooooooove TOm Felton (...) I think he is sooooo hot (...)

I totally agree! :D

By the way... Feltom lovers, here is a pic you might like... well.... I have more if you want!!! ;D
Also, check out my new thread: Which Harry Potter ACTOR do you think is the hottest?

See ya'll!!

[Dracofan4ever]

I still think draco put that paper in hermione's bag or something.Because for one herminoe love's book's so why would she tear out the paper instead of taking the book with her?Where else would she have found it?

[Hermione]

Charmed Child, I never even looked at Felton that way but, seeing that picture..... made me see him in a new light. He's not that bad! As for stealing the gift in the common room I thought was funny, it was just Columbus' way adding to the book, like Seamus the Pyro!!

[stellaluna]

i only liked to know, what was standing on this side he pulled out of the book....

[Cat]

Originally posted by pasalita

But, it is an interesting little twist to Draco as a character.

You really think so? In the books, Draco paints himself as a powerful mastermind. He's trying to gain without paying, and this is the level he's at. For a twelve year old, random acts of theft and destruction are cunning and dastardly... He's not up to corrupting goverment officials quite yet.

[dumbleedore]

Originally posted by Dracofan4ever
I still think draco put that paper in hermione's bag or something.Because for one herminoe love's book's so why would she tear out the paper instead of taking the book with her?Where else would she have found it?

Someone has mentioned this somewhere... unless I dreamed it...

But Draco tearing out a page from a book wasn't mentioned in the book, so I think we can discount it.

Maybe Tom just ad-libbed that bit.

[mystically_mad]

Originally posted by Hermione
As for stealing the gift in the common room I thought was funny, it was just Columbus' way adding to the book, like Seamus the Pyro!!

I think Columbus got that idea from the book, when they are learning to levitate. Seamus set his and Harry's feather on fire, remember?

[Butter Bloom]

I'm new here and I love Mugglenet.com. It's so cool and extremely informative. Reading all those facts and theories has made me even more spastic about OotP.

Anyway, to the point of my first posting. The CoS DVD is said to have subtle hints. I was wondering something about Draco Malfoy. This may have been asked before, but there are too many messages to go through and check. In Flourish & Blotts he's standing on the staircase and looking through a book, then he rips out a page and slips it into his pocket. He's standing too far away for me to see what book he's holding. Does anyone have an idea as to what book it is and the significance of ripping out a page? :banghead:

The other thing about Malfoy is in the Slytherin Common Room when Ron and Harry are talking to him as the two dunderheads. Malfoy takes the little green box with a white bow and stuffs it in his pocket. At first, I just assumed he was being a spoiled rich kid and taking whatever was lying around without asking because he's used to getting everything he wants. He opens the box, but we don't get to see what it is. Does anyone have suggestions about this? :banghead:

I also have to mention an opinion here. I'm an H/G shipper all the way. Yes, Harry was stroking Hermione's hand (a little too much for me, it was disgusting considering he's meant for Ginny :clappy: ) and they hugged at the end. Yes, those could be clues for the future, but there were also some clues at the end about Harry and Ginny. He was stroking her hand a bit in the Chamber and when Fawkes was carrying them, Harry was holding onto Ginny and it certainly wasn't that way in the book. My eyes were bugging in the theatre when I saw that. So, I'm trying to be optimistic here about that because I consider it a big, yet subtle, hint.

Okay, that's all I have to say right now. I didn't mean for this post to be so darn long-winded, but I have very strong viewpoints where Harry Potter is concerned. Just ask my dad, he's a Harry/Hermione shipper and we have disagreed about that quite a bit.

Bye all,
Butter Bloom

[Weatherby]

Hi you may want to check out 'Who will fall in love with whom' discussion in The Great Hall. There's been avid discussions on the book and movie regarding whose ending up together. :)

As for the stealing thing I'd take it as artistic freedom. They decided Malfoy was a morally ambigious fellow who would steal.

[Snowpoke]

I think Malfoy steals those things because he is a spoiled (and nasty) rich kid. I do wonder what the significance of the book page is, though. There's no mention of it in the books. It's a nice detail in any case.

[WhiteSlash]

I have to wait till monday to tell you all the foreshadowing.
I'll try and see what he takes. I haven't seen it yet.

[Butter Bloom]

Cool. Thanks for that. I'll check it out. I agree about your Malfoy assessment too. I was just wondering if anyone had other ideas about that. :p

[go_anna40]

Well, Malfoy has seemed to be spoiled. But on the other hand, wouldn't he be afraid since his father is treating him horribly wrong.
I think Draco would be the bad boy who would steal stuff, but what if Lucius found out he ripped the page out of that book and had to be replaced? And I thought Lucius telling Draco not to touch anything was bad...imagine his face when he's told he has to replace a valuable book?
I guess I'm split on this one.

[PadfootBlack]

Well, Butter Bloom, I feel your pain. I've been dying to find out what was going on with the page out of the book and the little box in the common room.

I heard one silly rumor that the page was the same one Hermione had in her hand when she was petrified, but that's a kinda ridiculous notion. The only thing I can think of to back that up is that one of the deleted scenes on the DVD shows her with some clothes that she stole from Slytherin's laundry. I figured maybe the paper was in one of those robes, but that's still kinda strange since the book makes it obvious that she got that info from the library. In the movie Harry only briefly mentions that she had been in the library, but it still shows that can't be the same paper.

As for the box in the common room, your guess is as good as mine.

[Jedi Potter]

I have to look at that scene again, it could be anything. Also it is interesting to note in the COS book it does mention that Draco took a huge notice at the Hand of Power and the storekeeper mentions that it is used by theives so that does show that Draco is a little thief.

[Earendil]

Every time I see him rip out the page in F&B and pick up the little box in the Common Room, I go "HUH?!" :banghead:
Glad you brought that up!
No idea why the filmmakers stuck those things in there, unless they just wanted to show what a little toad Malfoy is.
I tend to hope that it's supposed to be significant, because it just seems so random that he found this little gift-box lying around and pocketed it. I mean, was that really necessary? Hopefully it will be revealed later.

[Dracofan4ever]

I compared the tears in malfoy's paper and hermione's,
and they look very similar.I think it would be cool if he
was secretly helping the trio out.

[Snowpoke]

I think it just illustrates his disrespect for all people and things. As much as he probably is afraid of his father, he also hates him. I don't think Lucius would even care about such a small matter, as long as it wasn't one of his books.

I wonder: was it an improvisation on Tom's part? Or the director's?

[rotsiepots]

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[Starseyer]

Originally posted by Dracofan4ever (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=105868#post105868))
I still think draco put that paper in hermione's bag or something.Because for one herminoe love's book's so why would she tear out the paper instead of taking the book with her?Where else would she have found it?


Why would he give Hermione the solution?
Remember:
"Last time the Chamber was opened a Mudblood died. Just a matter of time until one dies this time. I hope it's Granger."
-Draco Malfoy (not exact, but that's the gist of it)

[Jedi Potter]

I think she ripped it out when she saw the Batalisk it just came out when she fell.

[FlooHead]

"I think she ripped it out when she saw the Batalisk it just came out when she fell."

From the the position Hermioni is in, it seems to me that she was looking around a corner, through a mirror. If the Batalisk snuck up on her, then why would she be holding up the mirror? Having only just read about the Batalisk?

Heather

[Jedi Potter]

I don't know, I think it is also possible that she thought it might be the Batalisk because of the clues involving only Harry hearing the voices and she looked it up to confirm it. I can't remember if the book said anything about this, but I still don't think that Draco would be helping them and he never would have figured it out to begin with, I don't think his father told him what the monster was.

[Shi]

I think they should have put that Borgin and Burkes bit in, too. I'm also dying to know what was on that page and in that box he took! Do you think it is of any importance. Well, if it was, they probably would have told us... unless it is one of those things that the scriptwriter knows and we don't!

[Butter Bloom]

Lots of replies to my question!! Well, some people may think that Draco taking the little green box and putting it in his pocket, was just his spoiled nature of "I can have anything I want because I'm a Malfoy" is the answer to the riddle.

I personally think that it meant something. JKR doesn't do anything without some sort of significance attached to it, especially the page being torn out of the book. Darn it, if we could only see what the cover of the book is!! :angry:

PadfootBlack...that is an interesting theory you heard, but I agree with you. It would be too much of a coincidence. It would almost be like saying Malfoy was helping Harry out, which is a load of dung. He might do that in the future, grudgingly, when he's really put to the test by Voldemort (which I think he will), but not now especially. Besides, Hermione got that page from a library because that's where she dashed off to just before being attacked.

I know Hermione loves books and true, why wouldn't she just take the whole book, but since the entire story is from Harry's POV, we won't ever know unless Hermione talks about that in the future. Maybe she didn't have time. Maybe she only had time to grab a mirror from her dorm and rush to the library. In her haste to get away because she heard the basilisk slythering along the ground, she may have torn the little section out and tried to get back to Harry and Ron. Then, as we all know, she ran into Penelope and was Petrified. I mean, it's just a theory of mine, but we'll never really know, I don't think.

I'm not being down on Malfoy here because I like him too, even though I certainly wouldn't turn my back on him. I'd walk away backwards, wand drawn. I just believe he's too jealous of Harry to be secretly helping him. And 2nd year was the only time if he had somehow managed to slip Hermione that page, but that's just too farfetched this early in the story. No, I think he'll have to make a choice and I think he may just choose to help get rid of Voldemort, but only at the last second. Kind of like Darth Vader with Luke and the Emperor.

I have another question. I'm 22 years old and does anyone else feel weird when saying, "Dan Radcliffe is going to be such a hottie after he grows up." :??: Because he's like almost 10 years younger than me, but he's cute.

Okay, there was another nastily exhausting reply that I didn't intend to get so long. Bye.

Butter Bloom :p

[Loz]

I found the page ripping particularly amusing, especially Tom's expression whilst doing it - it was very much a "Hmm, interesting. No-one will notice. I'll take that!" kind of face. It most certainly isn't described in the books, but I believe it is something along the lines of the page having something interesting to Draco. Yes, it is Flourish and Blotts but there is no reason to suggest they don't have a particularly nasty recipe for a potion, or a cruel jinx in one of their books. Also doing this conveys a complete disregard for others - as someone else mentioned. It shows that he is not particularly nice. A slick haired, nasty little character, really.

The minature present on the other hand is particularly interesting, especially how he asks Crabbe/Ron, Goyle/Harry if it's theirs before opening it. It is once again a demonstration of his uncaring for others feelings, but also something else. The way he looks at it, his expression is both curious and mournful. He recently got a present of a nimbus two thousand and one from his father, but that wasn't given out of love. This little present has been carefully wrapped, some care and attention given to it's presentation.

I'm inclined to believe both these scenes were scripted and that Kloves asked Rowling if that helped demonstrate certain aspects of Draco's character absent from the first film.

[NYCwitch920]

We should expect this as normal behavior for Draco. Despite the fact he is wealthy, he doesn't seem to mind taking things from others.

[Moontrimmer]

From the moment I saw the scene where he appears to randomly rip out a page of a book, I had a feeling something fishy was going on. It may look like an act of random vandalism at first, but on closer inspection, it appears it may have some significance in an upcoming story. Steve Kloves did mention a scene in the movie that was going to be important later on.

[Dracofan4ever]

Ok I just watched the dvd again and decided to check
out the rip's in the paper's more closely.And IT IS THE SAME PAGE.
But who know's mabye they just used the same paper for that scene!
Anyway's it is the same.:wow: :D

[Loz]

Nice try Dracofan4ever - but there is absolutely no way you could tell that, it's a medium-long shot, lol! And another thing - that part is not in the books - there is absolutely no reference to Draco helping Hermione in any way, shape or form, so it is unlikely that they would completely change the story for the second film.

[Dracofan4ever]

Yes I could tell,I wouldnt have said that it was the same page unless
it was,so you can say I'm wrong all you want.:p :rolleyes:

[Loz]

Okay. You could tell. I apologise (snicker).

[Butter Bloom]

Maybe we should stop before we begin arguing...*laughing and smirking*. Anyway, we all have our own opinions. I do admit that the page Malfoy tore out of the book was similar looking to the page Harry had. The prop people were probably using the same parchment or something.

Besides, Malfoy told Crabbe/Ron and Goyle/Harry that he didn't know who was behind the attacks. Usually, if someone is playing a double agent, they know about what's going on with either side. Malfoy said he didn't know who was doing it. Wouldn't that make more sense for Malfoy to know, especially if he tore the page out for them?

It's also possible that Malfoy may have dropped the page in Flourish and Blotts and Hermione picked it up, but she would have said something right off the bat to Harry and Ron about it.

Now, if it didn't fall out and Malfoy was carrying the page in his robes, how in Hogwarts School did Hermione get a hold of it? That just doesn't make any sense that Malfoy would have passed it secretly to Harry, Ron and Hermione.

Well, it's probably a mute point by now anyway, isn't it, lozenger8?

[mystically_mad]

I think they meant she found it in Draco's pocket when she was taking the robes from the laundry but why would she look in Dracos when she was after Crabbe and Goyles?

[Loz]

Yes, i believe it is a mute point Butter Bloom, ;).
I just don't get the reasoning that Draco would give the parchment to Hermione, or that she found it somewhere. Whilst Hermione loved books, she loves her friends more - and she had the answer right in front of her - there are obviously no photocopiers in the Wizarding world so why not rip it out? Why didn't Draco say anything about the basilisk either? I would imagine he would have gone on and on about it slithering its way towards you if he had known it was - and he would have known if that was the page.

[roz]

In CoS just after Lockhart has given Harry a copy of all his books we see Malfoy ripping a page out of a book before returning it to a pile. What is he doing? Why is he doing it? Does it have any connection with the story?

Roz.

[Mad Macca]

I think that the people who wrote the movies just added it in, so that people who hadn't read the books, or seen the first movie, could see what type o character our Draco is. I doubt it will be important.

[Mireille]

Mad Macca has a point. It's characterization at its best. Being distructive is one way Draco is characterized so why not have him destroy a book that he probably has to purchase? We don't even know what book it was. To me, it looked like it was one of Lockhart's books, so it could be a subtle way of saying that the male chracters in the movie don't care much for the Professor. It's hard to say. Maybe it will become important as time goes by.

[Weatherby]

I think this is similar to making Draco a thief.
It saves time by showing his lack of regard for other people through those nefarious means.

[Alastor D]

I agree with Weatherby.
Also in the COS film he pocketed someone else's christmas present. That one wasn't in the book either.

[Little Devil]

Just shows I think he's still a bad boy. ;)

[Llopin]

That was discussed some time ago when the film was released. I still think it's not his type character. In the books Draco isn't described as being some kind of kleptomaniac, he's just bad, and not all bad boys are thieves. Besides, why would he get a random book's page if his family is not exactly poor? I find it quite stupid, and to present a character's personality by making him strip some page isn't very brilliant. Just looking at his looks and how he talks you can guess he's quite evil.

Conclusion, I think that those thefts could have been easily ignored.

[rikuownsyou]

:grumble: I love Draco and would never call him a thieve..never:smooch: I think thta it was cool when he did butt I dont see where taking something like what he took was somehting to get upset..about.:crush:

[mystically_mad]

It was someone elses things. He just took them. I think that is what they are talking about.

[Perdita]

I'm thinking along the same lines as Inkwolf, that the page that Malfoy ripped out of the book has some significance.

Why? Something about him tearing out that one page as opposed to stealing the entire book makes it look fishy to me. It makes me think that there might be more than meets the eye.

I know that the gift-stealing scene contradicts this theory. And honestly, I don't really know what to make of it.

Since Rowling didn't write that part, I can't really say how my idea will play out. Perhaps Malfoy is collecting information on a specific topic, and this might be revealed later on in the series?

After all, Kloves was the one who wrote the script; and Rowling has said that she's told him more than she's told anyone; and she also said that Kloves is very good at guessing. Maybe Kloves picked up on something about Malfoy and decided to plant a clue early on in the film series?

[Weatherby]

That could be true. Rowling also said Columbus chose to forshadow things [we know what that is :D ] she didn't until book five. But I don't think she sounded happy about it.

[Winky3]

I knew it!! I knew he was ev il!!!!!!!!!!....Oh wait I knew that with out this proof.... ;D

[mystically_mad]

Its all very interesting then isnt it.

[jennymac]

I like to think that the page he tore out was the page that hermione found. I know it's not in the book, but we only see things from Harry's point of view, and Draco came up behind him in the book. If you think about it, he would have know what was in the chamber. I'm sure Lucius knew and told Draco. Remember when McGonagall told them the chamber was the home of a monster, Ron turned and looked at Draco and he gave this smile as if he were hiding something.

[mystically_mad]

Why would Draco be helping Hermione though?
Also in the books it is Proffessor Binns who tells the story of the COS and the Slytherins arent in that class.

[Michelle]

Yes, because CC chose to foreshadow things: maybe this is why he put Draco to do that & McGonagall to tell them about the chamber, because if Binns had told them about it then Draco wouldn't be there. I don't know if I managed to make my post to make sense...

[mystically_mad]

The slytherins dont have Transfiguration OR History of Magic classes with the Gryffindors anyway.
CC could have foreshadowed that I guess if Draco is going to turn good but I dont think he is so why would he rip out one page of a book? I think just to be annoying.

[malfoyschick]

Maybe the page Hermione found was the same page that Draco ripped out. The book seems to make it clear that Hermione found that page in the library but we don't know that. Draco could well have slipped it in her bag or something. Also wouldn't Madam Pince have jinxed Hermione or something if she ripped a page out?

Even if Draco is a klepto he still looked really sexy in that F & B scene.

[Sirius83]

I dunno, that sounds pretty far fetched, the whole ripped page thing. Here's the bugger though, that box Draco stole when talking to Harry and Ron(Crabbe and Goyle? :lol: ) - i wonder what was in it?

[7va]

I think Draco knew Crabbe and Goyle were Harry and Ron.
He shaked the box, remember? It might be some sweets inside, and surely if they were really Crabble and Goyle, they would say that the box was theirs immediately.
And so Draco even took the box away to test them.....in which they did nothing...and Draco found that they are not Crabble and Goyle ,so Draco surely would not tell them anything about Chamber of Secret even if he knew.

[mystically_mad]

Originally posted by malfoyschick (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=342891#post342891))


Even if Draco is a klepto he still looked really sexy in that F & B scene.

Definitely!!!

7va, I dont think so. The movies are based on the books rememebr and in the books Draco had no idea at all. He probably has never heard of the polyjuice potion before.

[Bit]

If he was paying attention in Snape's class then he's heard of Polyjuice potion. That's how Hermione found out about it, Snape talked a bit about it. However, Snape probably over-exaggerated how hard it is - "simpletons like the lot of you have no hope of ever creating a potion this complex" - and the thought never popped into Draco's head that Crabbe and Goyle weren't truly who he thought they were.

Yes, Draco is a bit of a klepto. In the books, it was hinted at in Knockturn Alley, with the storeowner saying that the Hand of Glory was the best friend of thieves and plunderers, and then Lucius said he certainly hopes Draco might amount to more than a thief, but then says that that may be all he's good for - after all, a GIRL MUGGLE-BORN beat him in every subject. Possibly foreshadowing the role Draco will have in the future - but which side will he steal for?

[mystically_mad]

I dont know if that is actually foreshadowing although you could be right.

[DocHollidaywe]

He is a hardcore Clepto!!!

[Ms.Sirius]

I don't see how this is any change. It shows how little regard he has for the feelings of others.

Yeh, I would have to agree with this too. Draco is supposed to be a little jerk, and he doesn't care who he hurts or whos property for that matter.
:grumble:

[vickygirl4]

What I don't understand is why he ripped the page out of the book? What book was it? What was on the page? Why did he need it? That didn't seem like just some random act of mischief, I think he had some purpose for tearing that page out. Maybe that's forshawdowing?

[rachael_22090]

i wasnt paying attention to what he was doing! i was gapping over his looks!!! wow he looked hot in florish and blotts!!!!!!!

culumbus probley just added that to show how he thinks he is too good to pay for something he wants.

[mystically_mad]

He did look exceptionally hot didnt he.

It looked like a random thing, do you know how annoying it is when your book has a page missing? I think it was just him being inconsiderate...to put it nicely.

[phoenixsong]

Seems to me, besides all the nice things it does for his character, as pointed out above, that Draco's theft of the book page and the present does what Borgin's comment would have done if it were in the movie: plant the connection between Draco and thievery. Perhaps, somewhere down the road, Draco will steal something important (perhaps something from the secret cache hidden beneath his dining room?), and if they were going to cut the scene of Lucius' conversation with Borgin, then these two instance of stealing performed the same function.

[harry-james-potter]

I noticed that in the Florish and Blott's scene of CoS, before coming up to Harry, Draco tore a page out of a red book. We know that "Fantastic Beasts & Where to Find Them" is red, and that Hermione ended up with the page on the Basilisk of "Fantastic Beasts & Where to Find Them". Might this have been the same page that Draco tore in Diagon Alley? And if so, had it been given gladly, forced to be given, taken/stolen, or possibly found to/by Hermione?

[cleansweep11]

Yah....I always wondered what was with the tearing out the page thing..................your probley right!

[miri]

Good call! I think a lot of people were baffled that Hermione tore a library book (and even more so when they took into consideration the fact that each of them had a copy of the book)...

So you're suggesting that Draco knew all about the Chamber of Secrets and the basilisk inside? So he lied to Crabbe and Goyle (polyjuiced Harry and Ron)? How did Hermione get the page?

Did she *borrow* his bag, find it, and then go to the Library to find a plan of Hogwarts complete with the heating system (pipes)?

Was Draco planning on trying to defeat the basilisk himself? Or was this Lucius' plan? Or was he simply learning all he could to protect himself?

This could open up so many possibilities for the last 2 books if it's right! :D

[harry-james-potter]

Good call! I think a lot of people were baffled that Hermione tore a library book (and even more so when they took into consideration the fact that each of them had a copy of the book)...


One note...Ron's book fell apart...this was in the very first page, I have it...

*typing by author* This book belongs to:
*hand-writing by Harry* Harry Potter
*scribble by Ron* shared by Ron Weasley because his fell apart
*neat hand-writing by Hermione* why don't you buy a new one then?
*scribble by Ron* write on your own book Hermione
*neat hand-writing by Hermione* you bought all those dungbombs on saturday. you could have bought a new book instead
*scribble by Ron* Dungbombs rule *four scribbley lines under "rule"*

[harry-james-potter]

Also, we assume that Draco knew about the plan, seeing as Dobby had, so could Draco have been trying to help Hermione?

[[Pretty]_[Unicorn]]

Wow yeah that is pretty weird. Maybe Draco is hinting of switching sides? I will try to reread the book and make sense of that but JKR is definately hinting about something. To solve that riddle could answer a lot of questions.

[miri]

One note...Ron's book fell apart...this was in the very first page, I have it...

*typing by author* This book belongs to:
*hand-writing by Harry* Harry Potter
*scribble by Ron* shared by Ron Weasley because his fell apart
*neat hand-writing by Hermione* why don't you buy a new one then?
*scribble by Ron* write on your own book Hermione
*neat hand-writing by Hermione* you bought all those dungbombs on saturday. you could have bought a new book instead
*scribble by Ron* Dungbombs rule *four scribbley lines under "rule"*

:lol: That's brilliant!

The only charity one I've read is the Quidditch one...

Could Hermione then have grabbed the relevant sheet from Ron's old book?

Did Ron's book fall apart because Malfoy did something? If his dad can slip Ron's sister a book, then Draco could have done a little exchange too...

[harry-james-potter]

hmm...never thought of that! CoS released about the same time as Fantastic Beasts too, I think!

[harry-james-potter]

The only charity one I've read is the Quidditch one...
There are only two.

[miri]

:lol: So I've read half of them? Cool! ;)

[Red Herring]

That Draco page-tearing thing puzzled me too. I eventually decided that it was thrown in as one more example of what a petty, nasty little kid he's supposed to be. (along with the present he found and opened in the Slytherin common room during the Polyjuice scene, and the bit where he poked his finger into a baby mandrake's mouth, then looked all hacked-off when it bit him, the dummy).

[rotsiepots]

This topic is also being discussed in Draco, a thief? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=2801)

That being said, Draco didn't rip any pages out of any books in Flourish and Blotts in the book version of CoS. Therefore, it's impossible for his literary self to give Hermione any help because the scene only happened in the film. As the films are based on the books there can't be a connection. It was just an attempt to show that Draco doesn't care about authority or the consequences of his actions.

Nothing more.

Hope that made sense.

[FawkesBox]

Isn't there a quote somewhere that JKR worked with Chris Columbus on the film, CoS, to develop subtle clues about who would end up together? There is some debate. I was always partial to the debate about a Draco/Hermione connection. Supposedly in class (transfiguaration?) you can catch them glancing at each other. Nevertheless, perhaps this is another one of these clues... something that JKR did not put in the book but is still important.

*Goes off to find the quote and watch CoS again* ;)

--------> Check out this page http://www.mugglenet.com/books/hpcouples.shtml
It mentions that Hermione/Draco in CoS "glance"

[Sabine]

I really don't like the thought, that there are clues in the films which you can't find in the book....

I mean ... is this a way to "force" someone to watch the films?

No! I refuse to take this seriously! ;)

Sabine

[FawkesBox]

But Sabine, this quote comes from JKR (paraphrased at the site above.) Although I would not say that a quote outside the books is more relevant that what is acutally in them, they both have the same source! (we, must, however, remember characters like Icicle and other things that JKR mentioned that never panned out)

[Mrs. Biggerstaff]

i dont think thats a great theory maybe its just one of those things like everything in HP (thats a sauce) books
but good theory tho!

[klatter]

Also, we assume that Draco knew about the plan, seeing as Dobby had, so could Draco have been trying to help Hermione?

In OOTP we learn that House Elves are bound to a house and cant leave unless asked to by their masters. Maybe draco sent dobby to harry to warn him and made dobby swear not to tell him who sent him. Also, Draco still hates harry so harry not returning to school would work to his benefit...... :rolleyes:

[Leah_Jones]

That was what harry thought, wasn't it? He thought that draco sent the elf on purpose to stop him coming back to hogwarts. I think ron said that or something.

On the idea of Draco+Hermione, hmmm, it could be possible, but I mean, all the horrible stuff that Draco did, especially to hagrid...could hermione ever forgive him? on the other hand though...if draco DID help Hermione to find stuff on the basilisk, hermione+draco could already be having a little fling. No, actually, they probably were before buckbeak. Oh! You know how Hermione had that little time turner? Well, what if she used it to go back in time, to like night and then sneak out of the castle, where she'd meet Draco, and they would make out or something? Did that make sense? Draco and Hermione were having an affair from the end of CoS to Buckbeak in PoA because draco helped hermione save harry. then, however, lucius forced draco into pretending that his arm hurt, that made hermione so mad that she hit him...
That sounds a little far-fetched, I know, but who knows...lol

-Leah

[rotsiepots]

Isn't there a quote somewhere that JKR worked with Chris Columbus on the film, CoS, to develop subtle clues about who would end up together? There is some debate. I was always partial to the debate about a Draco/Hermione connection. Supposedly in class (transfiguaration?) you can catch them glancing at each other. Nevertheless, perhaps this is another one of these clues... something that JKR did not put in the book but is still important.

*Goes off to find the quote and watch CoS again* ;)

--------> Check out this page http://www.mugglenet.com/books/hpcouples.shtml
It mentions that Hermione/Draco in CoS "glance"

JKR wouldn't have worked with Chris Columbus much; I doubt she has any hints or tips to offer in the realm of direction. ;)

She does work with Steve Kloves on the scripts to ensure that all the "important" scenes are left in the films. I doubt very much, however, whether she advised the inclusion of any additional scenes to bring clarity to the books. It was probably Kloves just improvising.

[MadMagic]

Yes, I agree. I think the only thing JK is involved in is making sure that all the important scenes for the future are included. I doubt she would be interested in making suggestions about any future couple, especially since, as of book 5, there really are no couples.

[MadEye2003]

That's a brilliant theory. I watched the video yesterday and noticed that too, but never did I suspect that!

[Ginny999]

i think it is definatley possible for Hermoine and Draco to have a thing. but i would much rather have it in later books.
also i was watching an interview with J.K. Rowling and she said that she pointed out stuff that needed to be put in the film for later reliatioships and for later plot thickeners. i think all the little clues will possibly bring Draco and Hermoine together. :love:
Kairi

[JofpGallagher]

Good call! I think a lot of people were baffled that Hermione tore a library book (and even more so when they took into consideration the fact that each of them had a copy of the book)...

So you're suggesting that Draco knew all about the Chamber of Secrets and the basilisk inside? So he lied to Crabbe and Goyle (polyjuiced Harry and Ron)?
That is very possible. Apparently Lucius knew about it since he was the one that put the Riddle Diary in Ginny's cauldron. It may be possible that Draco knew it from his father, but Lucius made him to promise not to tell anybody. Draco knows that Goyle and Crabbe has not brains, so it could be very stupid to let them know such important information.

How did Hermione get the page?
There are many posibilities for that. If assuming that that page Draco tore was the one explaining about Basilisks, it could have followed that Hermione suspected about Draco being kinda tranquil with the entire issue of the Chamber of the Secret. But how she got the page? I can't think of an answer right now.

Was Draco planning on trying to defeat the basilisk himself? Or was this Lucius' plan? Or was he simply learning all he could to protect himself?
I don't believe that Draco had intentions to kill the snake. So far until book two Draco has demonstrated to be very coward. The scene in the Forbiden Forrest put him very bad. Hence I don't think he has the guts to confront the basilisk.

[ElanortheEldest]

I noticed that in the Florish and Blott's scene of CoS, before coming up to Harry, Draco tore a page out of a red book. We know that "Fantastic Beasts & Where to Find Them" is red, and that Hermione ended up with the page on the Basilisk of "Fantastic Beasts & Where to Find Them". Might this have been the same page that Draco tore in Diagon Alley? And if so, had it been given gladly, forced to be given, taken/stolen, or possibly found to/by Hermione?

You know - that scene has always irked me. With so much to fit into two hours they definitely focus some screen time on that and don't provide an explanation for it later. Decidedly odd.
I'm not sure about the "Fantastic Beasts..." explanation, but I'm quite sure there is a reason for it that will be explained later on.

We know Draco is a scumbag already. We know he has no respect for authority. Why take the trouble to show him destroying a book when but a moment later he is once again carrying out his nasty behaviour?

[rotsiepots]

Hermione got the page out of a book in the library. After she makes the connection she says to Harry:

"Harry -- I think I've just understood something! I've got to go to the library!"

Later McGonagall says that Hermione was found with Penelope Clearwater near the library:

"They were found near the library," said Professor McGonagall. "I don't suppose either of you can explain this? It was on the floor next to them..."

Hermione obviously dashed up to the library, ignored any warnings from Madam Pince and tore the page from a book herself. No Draco involved.

[miri]

And Draco would have been at the Quidditch pitch then, Rotsie, so there was no chance he could have slipped it to her?

I don't know if I believe in this theory, but, for argument's sake, what if Draco tore the page out, then asked Hermione if she knew any more about them, and it only just hit home at the point quoted above that he'd been asking because there was a basilisk at Hogwarts?

It's unlikely, but possible :)

Personally, I don't think Draco's only pretending to be a little maggot. I think it's who he is.

[Crayak]

We don't actually know for sure that Draco was at the Quidditch match and not the library. That match was Gryffindor/Hufflepuff so it would be possible that he would decide to skip it. One more point, Hermione could not possibly have ripped the page out of a library book. We this find out from the charity books from Dumbledore. He said "Madam Pince has been known to add unusual jinxes to the books in her care. I myself once doodled absentmindly on a copy of Theories of Transubstantial Transfiguration last year and the next moment found the book beating me fiercely about the head."

[miri]

What about a magical photocopying-like device? It's possible that Harry thought it was a torn-out page...

After all, on the back, was simply written *pipes*. If there had been other stuff there, then why assume the side she didn't write on was the important one? Most books have writing on both sides of the page, after all!

Remember - Ron and Harry were worried sick about their friend and school. It looked like a page, it acted like a page... why question it's pageyness?

[JofpGallagher]

And Draco would have been at the Quidditch pitch then, Rotsie, so there was no chance he could have slipped it to her?

I don't know if I believe in this theory, but, for argument's sake, what if Draco tore the page out, then asked Hermione if she knew any more about them, and it only just hit home at the point quoted above that he'd been asking because there was a basilisk at Hogwarts?

It's unlikely, but possible :)

Draco asking a favor to a muggle-born? :huh:
I don't think so Miri, well you said it's unlikely...maybe practically impossible. In addition, Draco could have asked to another person. I don't believe Hermione is the only genius know-everything in Hogwarts....

[harry-james-potter]

Hey, now you point it out it does seem a little far fetched, but it's possible.




http://www.quia.com/files/quia/users/padfoot-wanted/padfootdice
This is me, by the way. Resemblance?

[Windstar]

What are charity books?

I didn't catch that scene in the movie, I'd better go watch it again. :agree:

I don't think JKR would put something in a movie that wasn't in the book. That wouldn't be fair. And besides, wouldn't it be a bad sales technique? People wouldn't buy the books when they could just watch the movies and get more from the movies. I agree that it must have been something that the producer added. But, was it just a coincidence that it was a red book and Fantastic Beasts came out around the same time and was a red book?

I am a big "read the book first" before you see the movie fan.

[cleansweep11]

The charity books are Fantastic beasts and where to find them,and Quidditch through the ages. The profits from the books(which are written by JKR) go to charity.

Actually the do put different things in the movies.Like stuff that you can add in a movie but if it was in a book it would be too obvious. But that doesn't mean there isn't more clues in the books then in the movies.

[Windstar]

Then I will definitely have to get copies of those books. :agree:

I would think that since the books come before the movie in the first place, then how could they put something in the movie that isn't in the book? It would have to be someone's interpretation of something in the book, not what was actually in the book in the first place. I thought I heard, somewhere, that JKR did have some say in the movies about what could be cut and what had to stay because it was important.

[cleansweep11]

Well JKR works with the Steve guy who does the scripts....I think its really little things like a glance or like the hug/hadshake at the end of Cos.

[Windstar]

I don't think that Draco would have anything to do with Hermione (unless it was to be mean to her) or vice versa. I don't think that Draco would have the intellegence to set it up so that Hermione found the page with out knowing that it was from him. She is too suspicous of everything to just take finding something like that page as a coincidence.

Under normal circumstances, Hermione wouldn't have torn a page from any book, but then again, this was an urgent matter.

I guess I just took it for granted that she did indeed go to the library, find the information, and set out to return with her findings to Harry and Ron.

Unless Draco was going to try to control the Basilisk himself, why would he have torn the page out of the book? He had to know that he wasn't the "true heir" of Slytherin though, so even if he knew that it was a Basilisk, why would he even try? Only the true heir can control it right?

[angelous]

hey..........Ive always thought about what was with riping the page out of the book..........you know your proubly right

[Guardian Angel]

Oh, my. This is very interesting thought. I've never realized it could be connected... but I did wonder what Draco did on CoS, tho.

P.S. "Fantastic Beasts..." seems like an interesting book. Does it really have all those Ron, Hermione and Harry lines on it?

[viktorija_hp]

P.S. "Fantastic Beasts..." seems like an interesting book. Does it really have all those Ron, Hermione and Harry lines on it?

Yeah, it's really interasting (and short) and has Ron, Hermione and Harry lines on it. You should read it.

[Sabine]

Under normal circumstances, Hermione wouldn't have torn a page from any book, but then again, this was an urgent matter.

I guess I just took it for granted that she did indeed go to the library, find the information, and set out to return with her findings to Harry and Ron.


I think you are completely right - this weren't normal circumstances ... Hermione was under a lot of pressure in CoS. So much that SHE first talked about making that potion and breaking a lot of rules. I think this clearly shows that this weren't "normal times".

Sabine

[mystically_mad]

In the movie AND the book she tears a page out of a book. I assume that it is a library book in the movie because it says that it is in the book.

[lxs234]

I don't know if someone already said this, because i don't want to read this whole thing but: in the fith book, Neville said he lost his rememberall "ages ago." In both the book and the movie, Draco seems interested in taking it. He probably just lost it like he said, but i found it strange that it was mentioned again, four books later.

[Lupin_Lady]

I don't know if someone already said this, because i don't want to read this whole thing but: in the fith book, Neville said he lost his rememberall "ages ago." In both the book and the movie, Draco seems interested in taking it. He probably just lost it like he said, but i found it strange that it was mentioned again, four books later.

But it could also be irony. Losing something... bad memory. The rememberall was supposed to aid Neville's forgetfulness. I think it was just a bit of a pun.

[Zachary1993]

He did steal Nevilles Rememberball in book one. Also I think Draco would steal something from someone if it was really important to them not because he wants it himself but because he wants to watch the people whom he stole it from suffer.

[GryffindorGr]

Interesting to note that the book he tore that piece of paper from was
from a two volume series. Vol. I, pp. 1-400; Miscellaneous Creatures That Won't Hurt You. The ripped page came from Vol. II, pp. 401-800, Creatures That Can.

As for the rest of the comments, yeah, Draco is a nasty bully isnt he? But a wealthy one who would usually buy the book if he wanted. Perhaps like everyone says, he is presented to us as a person who disregards property, does it?

[PotionsMstr]

YAY!!! I finally get to reply to these posts.

Ok, stay with me fellow lovers of all things HP. I am counting on you!

Regarding the little green box which Draco so callously pockets then decides to open. I thought that was SO strange to show in the movie.

Here is my case for why there could be no other reason for Chris to show it, but that it must needs be stage direction from JKR/Steve with a future purpose in mind... not just randomly showing Draco to be a thief.

First off, note something and tell me (I have only read the books through once so far) what rights the Prefects have to wonder school grounds at night. There is a reason I am asking this, so patience please! :)
In the book/movie, both Ron (in polyjuice) AND Draco seem confused as to why Percy is near the entrance to the Slyerian common room. "What are YOU doing here?" they BOTH ask.

Shouldn't they know (as second years by now) the 'rights' of a Prefect to walk the grounds? So, where can a Prefect go? I could possibly see Percy around Ravenclaw's common room waiting for Penelope, by why by Slytherin.
Mind you, as book 5 rolls around, we are unsure of where Percy's loyalty is going to land.
So, this being said, I noticed in the movie that he (Percy) is coming from the entrance to the Slytherian common room.

WHERE AM I GOING WITH ALL THIS?

THE BOX.... who left it and why? Could it have been Percy?
Now, what is IN the box?

I have a guess, and I think it is at least a fair guess.
I have studied the scene frame by frame. The box is octagonal, so it could be something round. This is mere speculation, but goes with my theory, so I'll leave it in.

Notice, if you slow the action down, that Draco puts the object he takes out of it to his ear.
Now, what sort of 'gift' would you, upon opening, put to your ear?

A watch.

I believe that is what it is. This would coinside with JKRs common reference to watches all throughout her books.

The reason that I don't believe that Chris Columbus decided to insert this little scene in here to 'show Draco's bad morals' and such, is because anyone with two brain cells to throw together has more than enough evidence (even in the movies, if that is all that someone sees...poor them, by the way) to show his 'evilness'.

Also, let's say the director (without proding from JK or Steve) wanted this in there for stage direction purposes... to give Harry and Ron a chance to see the polyjuice was losing its potency. Why wouldn't he have used the NATURAL prop to the book, which would have been The Daily Prophet. Draco had it in his hand as he was walking down the hall right before he found Crabbe and Goyle. He could have simply been directed to pick the newspaper back up again to momentarily 'distract' him from seeing that they were changing back.

I believe it is an insertion by JK/Steve for the purpose of something in the future for either Draco or Percy that was somehow forshadowed in the books and hasn't been picked up on yet.

Thoughts???? HELP! It is driving me insane... and I don't have far to go there.

[hawk1245]

YAY!!! I finally get to reply to these posts.

Ok, stay with me fellow lovers of all things HP. I am counting on you!

Regarding the little green box which Draco so callously pockets then decides to open. I thought that was SO strange to show in the movie.

Here is my case for why there could be no other reason for Chris to show it, but that it must needs be stage direction from JKR/Steve with a future purpose in mind... not just randomly showing Draco to be a thief.

First off, note something and tell me (I have only read the books through once so far) what rights the Prefects have to wonder school grounds at night. There is a reason I am asking this, so patience please! :)
In the book/movie, both Ron (in polyjuice) AND Draco seem confused as to why Percy is near the entrance to the Slyerian common room. "What are YOU doing here?" they BOTH ask.

Shouldn't they know (as second years by now) the 'rights' of a Prefect to walk the grounds? So, where can a Prefect go? I could possibly see Percy around Ravenclaw's common room waiting for Penelope, by why by Slytherin.
Mind you, as book 5 rolls around, we are unsure of where Percy's loyalty is going to land.
So, this being said, I noticed in the movie that he (Percy) is coming from the entrance to the Slytherian common room.

WHERE AM I GOING WITH ALL THIS?

THE BOX.... who left it and why? Could it have been Percy?
Now, what is IN the box?

I have a guess, and I think it is at least a fair guess.
I have studied the scene frame by frame. The box is octagonal, so it could be something round. This is mere speculation, but goes with my theory, so I'll leave it in.

Notice, if you slow the action down, that Draco puts the object he takes out of it to his ear.
Now, what sort of 'gift' would you, upon opening, put to your ear?

A watch.

I believe that is what it is. This would coinside with JKRs common reference to watches all throughout her books.

The reason that I don't believe that Chris Columbus decided to insert this little scene in here to 'show Draco's bad morals' and such, is because anyone with two brain cells to throw together has more than enough evidence (even in the movies, if that is all that someone sees...poor them, by the way) to show his 'evilness'.

Also, let's say the director (without proding from JK or Steve) wanted this in there for stage direction purposes... to give Harry and Ron a chance to see the polyjuice was losing its potency. Why wouldn't he have used the NATURAL prop to the book, which would have been The Daily Prophet. Draco had it in his hand as he was walking down the hall right before he found Crabbe and Goyle. He could have simply been directed to pick the newspaper back up again to momentarily 'distract' him from seeing that they were changing back.

I believe it is an insertion by JK/Steve for the purpose of something in the future for either Draco or Percy that was somehow forshadowed in the books and hasn't been picked up on yet.

Thoughts???? HELP! It is driving me insane... and I don't have far to go there.

Interesting theory. You aren't crazy, but I think it is unlikley.

[lxs234]

That is a super theory. Of course, if Percy had put it there, wouldn't Draco know? Oh, wait. Maybe he did..

[AffectedMangoO]

Wow, this is an amazing theory!!! I would never come up with something like that. I find it hard to believe that Percy would go into slytherins quarters though.

[PotionsMstr]

That is a super theory. Of course, if Percy had put it there, wouldn't Draco know? Oh, wait. Maybe he did..

Well, I don't know that he would know just because in the movie Draco asks if the package belong to either of the others. And he looks around before he opens it as if 'whomever it belongs to' will see him taking it.

But, I just think it is a really strange thing for Chris to add without being told to. Also, another reason I see more signifigance behind it is, let us say that Chris did put it in for 'Draco character' reasons, why on earth would he choose a prop present that Draco has to listen to, which he clearly does. I mean, if the director was saying, 'Hey guys, let's put this in here to show that Malfoy is evil and takes things, but, Tom, when you pick it up, be sure to put it to your ear."
I mean, that is just WEIRD!!! Why couldn't it be something he just looked at and tucked back into his pocket?
So, once again, I don't think it was the director's idea. So, what have JK and Steve got up their sleeve?

[PotionsMstr]

Wow, this is an amazing theory!!! I would never come up with something like that. I find it hard to believe that Percy would go into slytherins quarters though.

I would agree with you on that. However, remember that we don't know which side he is going to end up on. We could really make a case for good or bad. Perhaps, he was instructed to leave something for someone in Slytherin as a way to "watch" what they were doing.
And, if it is an established fact that Draco takes things that don't belong to him (as he had done earlier in the movie at the book shop), then we can readily believe he would take a gift that is not addressed to him. Maybe they needed this little hint in there with the package and thought to add the other so we wouldn't think about the package as much. Notice in the whole thread about Draco's theivery, hardly anyone pays much attention to the package theme.
Good one, JKR! She is so tricky! :eyebrows:

[PotionsMstr]

Interesting theory. You aren't crazy, but I think it is unlikley.

I can conceed that my theory is hogwash, believe me! :agree:

But can you tell me why you think it is unlikley so I can stop wondering about it? :)

[lxs234]

Your theory isn't complete hogwash. You know how sometimes when you get a present, you shake it to try to see what it is? I think that is what Draco was doing. He had gotten so many presents and gifts, being a brat, it was second nature. Of course, if he really wanted to steal it, he should have just put it directly into his pocket, not shooken it which would have given people more time to see he was taking it.

[hawk1245]

I can conceed that my theory is hogwash, believe me! :agree:

But can you tell me why you think it is unlikley so I can stop wondering about it? :)

Well, it's just the fact that JKR usually puts the really comlex hints in the books. Hate to put it this way, but movie viwers are sometimes alot dummer thin booke reeders. Readers have a more open mind, but still, ya never know. JKR and SC are very sneaky.

PS-Misspelled on purpose.

[PotionsMstr]

Your theory isn't complete hogwash. You know how sometimes when you get a present, you shake it to try to see what it is? I think that is what Draco was doing. He had gotten so many presents and gifts, being a brat, it was second nature. Of course, if he really wanted to steal it, he should have just put it directly into his pocket, not shooken it which would have given people more time to see he was taking it.

Yes, I would agree that many of us shake our presents... me included! Actually, though, what I was talking about with the 'putting it to the ear' reference is after he takes the object out of the box. This shows up really well on DVD frame by frame. Give it a try and you will see the sequence of events as follows:

Draco asks if the gift belongs to either of them.
Scene shifts to them shaking their heads (Harry in polyjuice has a funny look on his face).
Back to Malfoy, who pockets it.
The scene continues on... I am at work or I would really describe it.
However, as 'Crabbe and Goyle' see that are they are changing back, the scene cuts to Draco who is opening the present.
Scene goes back to the pair who are starting to panic.
You can see somewhere in this montage of scenes, Draco is looking at the object, which is now out of the box and is in his hand. He then brings it up to his ear as the boys start to run out.
The last shot of Draco shows that his hands are closed around the object.

So, it wasn't the package he was putting to his ear, it was what he had already taken out of it.

[AffectedMangoO]

I think we can say 'the thing' was a watch and that Draco stole it.
Maybe they put this in the movie to
a) point out that Draco is a thief
b) distract Draco from Harry and Ron
c) it has a deeper meaning, but why isnt it in the books???

As for Percy, I agree completely that there must be more to this,what is he doing near slytherins quarters? Why does Draco ask what he's doing there? If they wanted to make the movie shorter this was a part that they could cut out. Maybe it was a way of giving Percy a proper introduction, because he is important in later books/movies?

[lxs234]

Maybe it was a joke present. You know, you have a package inside another package.
I'm just kidding here. I have no clue now why he shook it, if he had already opened it.