Do you think Atlantis really existed?

[Nathaniel]

Just curious is all.

I do believe Atlantis did exist, and that the Carribean is what remains of it (with Cuba being it's "shining jewel"). I just finished a book called "Gateway to Atlantis" by historian Andrew Collins (published in 2000 by Carroll & Graf Publishers). It's very, very convincing. So what do you think? Did Atlantis exist?

[whizbang121]

Not any more. But I think it did.

[Duckboy]

I thought there was like some sort of scientific evidence that it did infact exist?

[HannahStarr]

I agree with whiz. It obviously doesn't exist now, but I think it once existed a long, long time ago. I believe there is evidence that shows it did exist, but I could be wrong.

[Nathaniel]

Yes, there is evidence. However, many scientists, historians, and the like, dispute and try very hard to diprove this evidence (and usually fail miserably at it). They don't want to have to change what we're taught about history. They like it as "Columbus discovered America and that's that!" They are honestly to scared of the change it would bring in History if the fact that not only did Atlantis exist, but that the Ancient World had trading routes with it and with America got out. That's why historians and scientists work hard to say that Atlantis doesn't exist. Andrew Collins was heavily "bashed" for his book "Gateway to Atlantis" (which y'all should read), because of its theories and facts. It, in my opinion, proves Atlants existed, which is what most historians and scientists do not want.

[Midnightsfire]

Check out the last post on this link (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=19956).

[JofpGallagher]

I am moving this to the History Corner

[Charmed]

I'm a big ancient history fan so I have read my fair share on books and articles on Atlantis. In my opinion, yes Atlantis did exist. But I believe it was the Greek Island of Thera. Thera was destroyed by a volcanic eruption around about 1500BC. I think the story of Thera was embellished on for Plato's stories.

I do believe Atlantis did exist, and that the Carribean is what remains of it (with Cuba being it's "shining jewel").
I was stumped by this theory for awhile but here is my logical explanation. Gondwanaland and Pangaea. The Earth was originally a "Super-continent" and as a result countries and continents were joined together. As time went by the continents drifted apart. Thus giving some far away places the features and similarities between fauna and flora and also the shape of the country itself.
If you take some time and look at an Atlas you will see the World is like a jigsaw puzzle the Southern part of the globe(Gondwanaland)-that of India, Australia, New Zealand, South America, Africa, South East Asia, Antartica can all fit together.
The same with the northern which formed Pangaea.

[AncientPlum]

Atlantis did exist. The island will actually rise again but not like the cartoon, no living people will be found. I don't remember where it will rise but most likely in the Atlantic--I know--no brainer. The unfortunate thing about when Atlantis rises from the ocean, there will be Tsunami's on the east coast that will destroy most of it and the West coast will be no more because there will be earthquakes that will literally tear it away from the continintal U.S. in addition to dumping it in the ocean. There will be probably be some remnants of the west coast where one can live but basically Cali will be a island. This event will happen within our lifetime but it's nothing to worry about now. I won't happen until the years 2023-2026 which is 20 yrs away so enjoy your life on both coasts.

It's your choice whether or not to believe this. I actually got this info from psychic Slyvia Browne's website. She's has been very accurate in most of her predictions. I hope she is wrong about the disaster that will surround the rise of Atlantis as it would be catastrophic if it comes to be.

[linzee4life]

I think that Atlantis existed, but not to the extent that we beleive it did. I think that Atlantis was at one time a secluded and rich nation. I do not believe however that Atlantis had the scientific advances that we have yet to achieve today. All that we have to go on is the statement of one man. I understand that it is Plato, but that is all we have to go on.

[Midnightsfire]

What Charmed mentioned, Thera. I l am leaning towards that one meself. (It was a Minoan civlization, ergo, very rich.) Very unfortunate that Santorini decided to throw a fit. (Volcano...went boom...big boom...very big boom. Certain Chinese writers wrote of hearing it...)

[Nathaniel]

I'm a big ancient history fan so I have read my fair share on books and articles on Atlantis. In my opinion, yes Atlantis did exist. But I believe it was the Greek Island of Thera. Thera was destroyed by a volcanic eruption around about 1500BC. I think the story of Thera was embellished on for Plato's stories.

Yes... but Atlantis's end came from the ocean, not a volcano.

I was stumped by this theory for awhile but here is my logical explanation. Gondwanaland and Pangaea. The Earth was originally a "Super-continent" and as a result countries and continents were joined together. As time went by the continents drifted apart. Thus giving some far away places the features and similarities between fauna and flora and also the shape of the country itself.

This is generally excepted... but it isn't a 100% proven fact.

If you take some time and look at an Atlas you will see the World is like a jigsaw puzzle the Southern part of the globe(Gondwanaland)-that of India, Australia, New Zealand, South America, Africa, South East Asia, Antartica can all fit together.
The same with the northern which formed Pangaea.

True... but when you put the continents together, even with the islands,there are holes.. especially around the Carribean area. Maybe there something missing in that area that could fill those gaps more perfectly.

Anyways, what about the Sargasso Sea? And waht about the walls they found near Cuba under the ocean? Those walls dould not have been done by nature. They were to perfect for water to have crafted them.

[HarryPotter]

I believe it existed, and maybe its ruins are still somewhere lost in South America, the Argentinan Pampa, for instance

[Classical_Wizar]

Yeah i do havent read any of the books to back up any facts but i think i would try one of these days.

[Nathaniel]

Yeah i do havent read any of the books to back up any facts but i think i would try one of these days. Try "Gateway to Atlantis" by Andrew Collins.

[Szymulation]

I used to believe it existed. But now I think if there was an Atlantis, it would of been found by now.

[squirpy]

I think it did, but I don't think it was as overblown as some of the stories suggest. I think it was just a pretty big island that sank. I don't think they're going to find people who have adapted to live in the ocean and have built cities or anything.

Plato describes Atlantis in some of his writings. His descriptions made it sound like an island with a walled city on it.

[Classical_Wizar]

I used to believe it existed. But now I think if there was an Atlantis, it would of been found by now. There are parts of the ocean that we haven’t explored yet because of the pressure, and with the constant moving of the earth it could be possible that it sunk without a trace.

[free_girl]

I used to believe it existed. But now I think if there was an Atlantis, it would of been found by now. I think it does it exist. I think we will find it eventually. Not now but eventually, I mean the earth is 12,714 km in diameter from pole to pole, and is about 40,000 km in circumfrence. We do have hi tech equipment to find places and stuff, but come on 40,000km. I think it would take you a while to find it too.

[Freak of nature]

[QUOTE=HannahStarr]It obviously doesn't exist now, but I think it once existed a long, long time ago.QUOTE]

I agree. It doesn't exist anymore. But I have a strong feeling that it once did...just like Avalon. And because of stupidity of mankind it perished. I don't know about evidence but this is how I feel. :agree:

[free_girl]

[QUOTE=HannahStarr]It obviously doesn't exist now, but I think it once existed a long, long time ago.QUOTE]

I agree. It doesn't exist anymore. But I have a strong feeling that it once did...just like Avalon. And because of stupidity of mankind it perished. I don't know about evidence but this is how I feel. :agree:
What is Avalon? :huh:

[Charmed]

Yes... but Atlantis's end came from the ocean, not a volcano.

Yes. But in my theory Atlantis was Thera. And Thera was destroyed by a volcanic eruption.

[Midnightsfire]

A couple well presented websites:

Atlantis...Thira? (http://www.angelfire.com/hi/alhawk/atlanthira.html)

Origins of Atlantis (http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/thera/atlantis.html)

Avalon roughly translates to "Isle of Apples" and is a land of immortal heroes to where a mortally wounded King Arthur (http://www.occultopedia.com/k/king_arthur.htm) was taken after the battle of Camlann.

[Kimmetje]

I think it did excist sometime back, but not anymore. It would be so cool if a scientist found something out and got Atlantis back out of the water. I do think/hope that...

[red_fairy]

I think that at one point it did exist, but doesn't anymore, obviously. I don't know whether it was destroyed by a natural disaster, like a volcano, earthquake, tsunami, or stupidity of mankind, as in destroying the land so badly, environmentally or technoligically, or an act of god, but I believe that it existed. Who knows if we'll ever find it. I don't think it will, because the earth has had all this time to shift and corrode. It could have sunk down in the soil of the ocean also.

[ComicBookWorm]

No, I don't think it existed. But there is evidence for a large earthquake and tsunami that devasted the isle of Thira near Crete. It would have dated to around the right time to be part of the legend of Atlantis.

Anything they have found in the Caribbean has proven to be natural stone features. It's fun to think about lost civilizations, but finding them has been more elusive.

[Azura's_Heir]

I believe that Atlantis did exist at one time in the worlds past. Where I do not know. I also am not sure that it was the same as described by Plato's teachings. The reason that I do believe thast it did exist is the number of myths from all of the world that tell of a great island empire and its fall into the sea. All myths hold some small grain of truth and this myth is one that is found, in varing forms, the world over.


Yes... but Atlantis's end came from the ocean, not a volcano.

Yes, but volcanic eruptions can cause disaster from the sea as well. The city of Pompai was destroyed by a volcanic eruption. However the same volcanic eruption and earth activiy also cause a huge wave to come in from the sea blocking off all chance of escape. The natural forces are conected together and it is possible that Atlantis may have been destroyed by multiple forces that played off of one another. Say pressure of underground magma leading up to the eruption of a volcano leads also to the formation of a tusnami. As what happened in the city of Pompai. However due to the nature of the landscape part of the land is washed away. (This could even be done by ash and mud - see Mt. St. Helen's eruption) Anyway it would have been a massive catastrophe for any civilaztion in its path, wehter the triggering factor was volcanic or ocean based doesn't really matter once the city is destroyed

[Spirit]

I think that Atlantis existed, and I think that we will eventually find it. It's out there, somewhere.

[Master Qui-Gon]

Atlantis exists just as much as sea worms and yetis and green little martians do. It's just another tough myth.

Atlantis was described to be somewhere inside the Mediterranian, and there's no way in hell an island can move more than a few metres in only 2000 years. Not that there would be any reason to believe it existed in the first place.

Besides, I'd love to hear about what forces can sink an entire island in such a short time-span at all.

The only way Atlantis could "exist" is if it was some kind of allegory for another island, and the "sinking in the sea" part was simply symbolic for some other event.

[Nrv4evr]

I do believe Atlantis existed, but was not what Plato said it was to be. Historians tend to exaggerate the truth poetically, and Atlantis was probably just an exotic island with inventions different from the Greeks, not necessarily advanced.

It could also, like Qui-gon hinted at, be a metaphorical island, but I've never read the actual document, so it's too early, or late, to say.

[Annabelle Black]

I do think Atlantis existed and probably as Plato described it. I was watching a show on another topic the other day but a scientist said that only about 1% of the earth's oceans have been explored. So that leaves a whole lot of water for Atlantis to be lost in. Just consider how long it took to find the Titanic when people already had a general idea where it sank.

Let me clarify what I just said. A scientist said that only 1% of the earth's ocean floor has been explored.

[Nathaniel]

No, I don't think it existed. But there is evidence for a large earthquake and tsunami that devasted the isle of Thira near Crete. It would have dated to around the right time to be part of the legend of Atlantis.

What is the date of the destruction of Thira?

Anything they have found in the Caribbean has proven to be natural stone features.

Really? Will you show me the evidence, please?

It's fun to think about lost civilizations, but finding them has been more elusive.

Well... we haven't exactly explored the entire ocean.


We don't just have Plato's word for Atlantis. Historians like Andrew Collins have searched and found very probable eveidence that Atlantis existed. He uses things like the theory that there may have been civilizations on America before the Vikings. There are things in the ocean near Cuba that cannot be natural, not the way they're constructed. Plus, there is the Sargasso Sea and the area around it that could be caused by a sunked landmass. American tobacco has been found in Egypt and Africa during the time of Pharoes (or however you spell it) and even before them. I do see evidence for Antantis's existence, altough I do not believe it was as advanced as Plato says. I'll bet that it was advanced for its time, though.
There is also the matter of the Seven Caves in (I think) either Latin America or Mexico (or maybe Florida, but I'm not sure) that seem to depict a destruction of the planet by meteor showers. These are one of the main premises of "Gateway to Atlantis" by Andrew Collins. Meteor Showers can cause tidal waves that could sink an island.

[eggie]

Yes it did because they found it like 2 years ago.

It does. They found it on some island. It was barried under the sand and rocks. And they found rooms and pottery and alot of other stuff!

So it does exist!

It exists so haahaa!

[Darkillness]

Sure, why not? There are a lot of unexplained mysteries just on Earth, Atlantis is one of them. What about Babylon's Hanging Garden's or Stonehenge? The Hanging Gardens were never found but they're considered to be one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World. And we all know about the crazy theories Stonehenge has. There probably was an island that was inhabited by some people that were isolated from the Greeks and made different discoveries. It exists now only in ruins and we haven't found it yet. Think about it: archaelogists find old remnants all the time. We need to really start working on those oceans... And it's very possible that it's a metaphorical reference, or something about a known island that appeared weird and got changed over time. 2000 years is a lot for people.

[rmjoots]

From a religious study background, there are mentions of wicked cities and perhaps even normal cities that were sunk the depths of the sea in ancient scriptures. I don't doubt there was a city Atlantis that was sunk into the sea, as well as some others! I liken it to a city that was lost to volcanos, like Pompeii. No reason why a huge earthquake couldn't cause the coastline of a city to break away into the ocean.

People seem to fear that the "Big One" might cause L.A to go under. And the way "Hollywood" is nowadays, I wouldn't be surprised if it did "go" in that "Hollywood" fashion!!! Come to think of it, isn't New York also situated by the ocean coast too?

[Nathaniel]

Come to think of it, isn't New York also situated by the ocean coast too?

Hey?!!!!!!!!!!! Don't talk about New York like that :sad:! It is the best city out there! It will survive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :upset:


*coughs* Sorry, I just like New York... okay... I'm good:blush:.

[Nymph]

Yes, there is evidence. However, many scientists, historians, and the like, dispute and try very hard to diprove this evidence (and usually fail miserably at it). They don't want to have to change what we're taught about history. They like it as "Columbus discovered America and that's that!" They are honestly to scared of the change it would bring in History if the fact that not only did Atlantis exist, but that the Ancient World had trading routes with it and with America got out. That's why historians and scientists work hard to say that Atlantis doesn't exist. Andrew Collins was heavily "bashed" for his book "Gateway to Atlantis" (which y'all should read), because of its theories and facts. It, in my opinion, proves Atlants existed, which is what most historians and scientists do not want.

too much X-files can do that to a person... lol.

[Ranador]

I think it used to exist, it was destroyed. I think it might have been in the mediterranean or there are other candidates.

I don't think that they had any 'magic' powers or anything. I think they just had worked out technology that hadn't been seen before and observers were mystified and confused.

As far as it's destruction... probably natural disaster, with a volcano being my belief.

[Nathaniel]

too much X-files can do that to a person... lol.

Um... I actually don't watch X-Files, so that one sailed way over my head...

[Charmed]

What is the date of the destruction of Thira?

Around 1470 B.C.
Atlantis was first mentioned in 300B.C. in Plato's Critias and Timaeus.

[LuvHP_001]

I agree with whiz. It obviously doesn't exist now, but I think it once existed a long, long time ago. I believe there is evidence that shows it did exist, but I could be wrong.
I agree. I mean, i think there IS evidence supporting the theory but of course we can be wrong.

[DragonBlk17]

I believe in the possibility that Atlantis might have existed. Not that it actually did.

[the rez]

hehe. Hey, has anybody seen Stargate Atlantis on the Sci-Fi channel? Good show. Yeah. Atlantis prolly existed. I wonder where it is/was?

trez

[red_fairy]

I havn't seen it, but some of my friends are big stargate fans. I think with all the changes that have happened over all the time earth has existed it would be silly to immediately rule out a lost civilazation. Pompei was destroyed in a matter of days for instance. If a area was hit with a large enough disaster, i would say it would be possible.

[Nathaniel]

Actually, I followed Stargate: Atlantis for a while (but then we moved, and our cable was turned off...). It's a good show...

[Inkwolf]

There's a really interesting theory connecting Atlantis with something in my own state!

According to this book I read (Atlantis In Wisconsin), Atlantis was supposed to have buildings covered in copper. (Changed to gold in later legends, for obvious reasons.)

Well, the local Indians had stories about a strange tribe from far away that came to mine copper, and when they were finished, the flooded their quarry and left.

Rock Lake is believed to be the ancient flooded copper mine. It has mysterious mounds of rocks all over its floor.

They think the word 'Atlantis' might come from the name of the Aztalan Indians.

Here's a site about it...
http://www.rocklakeresearch.com/history.htm

I went to Aztalan State Park and Rock Lake a few years ago, on a little Weird Wisconsin trip I took. :p I also stopped by Bray Road where there were wolf-man sightings 10 years previously, and saw Miracle the White Buffalo whose birth was supposed to fulfill an ancient prophecy. And, if I had only known at the time, I drobve past the cheese shop where the last of the Schwinns to have run the Schwinn Bicycle company now works...

[Nerual]

I do believe Atlantis did exist. And if they ever find out where, It would be worth to go down there and see if there are any traces left of ancient civilisation. If we can go to the moon, we can go to Atlantis!

[AS_Muggle]

I remember seeing a documentary about Atlantis, and what city it actually was. I forget the name (if anyone knows, it would be great). Somewhere close to the Mediterranean if I remember correctly. Basically, a natural disaster caused the sea level to rise, and thus flooded the city. They recently found it at the bottom of the sea. It fits all the hallmarks of the story. The fact that it was very prosperous, and a major sea port (with canals, cf. the waterways of Atlantis), seems to fit quite well.

[caindo]

I read somewhere that some man is trying to say that... Ireland? or Scotland is actually part of Atlantis.

[Thuldorn]

I remember seeing a documentary about Atlantis, and what city it actually was. I forget the name (if anyone knows, it would be great). Somewhere close to the Mediterranean if I remember correctly. Basically, a natural disaster caused the sea level to rise, and thus flooded the city. They recently found it at the bottom of the sea. It fits all the hallmarks of the story. The fact that it was very prosperous, and a major sea port (with canals, cf. the waterways of Atlantis), seems to fit quite well.

I think I saw this same show and it was Thera. Also if I remember correctly, the Greek government isn't allowing any archeological exploration of the site.

[caindo]

The Berber tribes of North Africa have a legend of a warlike kingdom off the coast of Africa with rich mines of gold, silver, and tin. This tribe was called Attala. Attala is now under the ocean but according to prophecy will one day reapear. Is it coincidence that Edgar Cayce predicted the same thing.

The ancient Gauls, as well as the Irish, Welsh, and British Celts, believed that their ancestors came from a continent that sank into the Western Sea, The latter two named it Avalon.

The Basques, a racial and linguistic island in southwestern France and northern Spain, believed they are the descendants of Atlantis, which they call Atlantika.

It is believed among the Portuguese that Atlantis (Atlantida) once existed near Portugal and that parts of it, the Azores Islands, are still pushing up their peaks from under the sea.

The Iberian peoples of southern Spain trace their direct kinship to Atlantis and are increasingly aware that Spain still owns what may have been part of the Atlatnian empire, the Canary Islands. The original inhabitants of the island, when discovered, claimed to be the only survivors of a world-wide disaster.

Ancient Egiptian hieroglyphic texts mention Amenti, the paradise of the west, abode of the dead and part of the divine sunboat.

Found that on a site.

[Meghan73211]

In my opinion the kingdom of Knossos on crete seems like it is where the legend of Atlantis came from.

After discovery, they found that Knossos had technology that wasn't seen again until the romans. In 2000 BC they had plumbing, air condition, and running water. It was wiped out between 2000-1200BC by natural disasters (ie the idea that atlantis disapeared into the sea.)

It was located in the Aegean Sea. Making it a great pit stop for traders from all of the civilizations the world consisted of then (eqypt, greece, mesopotamia, etc.)

( :rotfl: *laughs at the_rez siggy* Wait, I'm a liberal :evil: )

[lily1993]

I have always thought that Atlantis was settled in the so called Bermuda Triangle, which is a area of water between Cuba, Maimi and Puerto Rico.
Since Atlantis was supposed to be a very advanced colony with techolongy, not founded around thier period of time, I think it would make sense.
Could their techolongy affect the aircrafts and navy ships travelling over the Bermuda Triangle?
But before you all dissmiss me as 'crazy' have you ever heard of the Philidelphia Experiment?
If you have not, try this website:
http://www.strangemysteries.com/viewpost_305456.asp
Could the force Fields of Atlantis formed the Bermuda triangle, which there for could have made the Philidelphia Experiment possible?
Are Atlantis, the Bermuda Triangle, and the Philedelphia Experiment all connected in some mysterious way?

[Nathaniel]

I have always thought that Atlantis was settled in the so called Bermuda Triangle, which is a area of water between Cuba, Maimi and Puerto Rico.
Since Atlantis was supposed to be a very advanced colony with techolongy, not founded around thier period of time, I think it would make sense.
Could their techolongy affect the aircrafts and navy ships travelling over the Bermuda Triangle?
But before you all dissmiss me as 'crazy' have you ever heard of the Philidelphia Experiment?
If you have not, try this website:
http://www.strangemysteries.com/viewpost_305456.asp
Could the force Fields of Atlantis formed the Bermuda triangle, which there for could have made the Philidelphia Experiment possible?
Are Atlantis, the Bermuda Triangle, and the Philedelphia Experiment all connected in some mysterious way?

A possible theory... must look more into it.

[Lady Greyjoy]

I think to understand this issue well, we must distingish Plato's Atalantis from other Atlanti. Atlantis has come to mean "lost and great civilization destroyed by a natural disaster", by that defininition there are many possible Atlanti (plural form of Atlantis).

However I think that the legend that Plato described corresponds nicely to the actual destruction of Thera (or Santorini).

I've visited the place and it is amazing to see how one eruption (albeit a massive one) has altered the island so much. Thera now consists basically only of a cliff rim, what was once the inside of the island is now the ocean.

Thera is also corresponds best to Plato's legend because it was located much closer to him than other candidates (a mere day's sail in modern times).

[lily1993]

Amen to that...

[Nathaniel]

I think to understand this issue well, we must distingish Plato's Atalantis from other Atlanti. Atlantis has come to mean "lost and great civilization destroyed by a natural disaster", by that defininition there are many possible Atlanti (plural form of Atlantis).

However I think that the legend that Plato described corresponds nicely to the actual destruction of Thera (or Santorini).

I've visited the place and it is amazing to see how one eruption (albeit a massive one) has altered the island so much. Thera now consists basically only of a cliff rim, what was once the inside of the island is now the ocean.

Thera is also corresponds best to Plato's legend because it was located much closer to him than other candidates (a mere day's sail in modern times).

Except that one theory (which is quickly becoming very popular do to the findings of cave paintings in, I think, Florida, supposedly dating back to the period theororized by Plato and averaged by others for Atlantis [again, see Gateway to Atlantis by Andrew Collins]) says that the major cause of the distruction of Atlantis was not a volcano, but a meteor shower, which caused tsunami's (which is not unheard in the world's history). Most of the craters all across America can possibly be linked to a meteor shower that dates back to the era.
Also brought up in the book mentioned above is that there is proof of trading between the "New World" and the "Old World" again around the same time, suggesting that people knew about America long before Christopher Columbus. Then there is the matter of the Vikings, whose major time agains supposedly falls around the "Period of Atlantis" (as I've now called it). There is also the fact that with Plato's coordinates, he was most probably talking about a kingdom in the Atlantic ocean, close to America.

Again, see Gateway to Atlantis by Andrew Collins. This book is where I generate my theories from. It points to the theories with almost undeniable accuracy.

And one more problem with the Thera theory (and I've said this before) is that Thera's ultimate end came from a Volcano. Atlantis's ultimate end came from the ocean (a tsunami, to be closer to "exact"). It's one of the reasons I stopped believing Thera was Atlantis (among others).

[starutena]

Atlantis is one of thoses things I don't get worked up about. I'm sure there probably was a real Atlantis, but the details have changed so drastically over time it will be impossible to find. I'm inclined to believe that the stories of Atlantis are all flawed in some way, so there will never be a definite answer to the puzzle. Plato is falible after all

[Classical_Wizar]

I do, but maybe I'm a dreamer and can see the higher technology of theirs and everything.
Yeah I still haven’t read the books on Atlantis but my gut tells me that there was once a civilization that matched today’s if it didn’t surpass us. Haha and I'm not even a sci-fi writer.

[grammer]

I agree with Lady Greyjoy. First we have to define what we mean by Atlantis.

There is a resort in the Carribean called Atlantis - it exists, you can fly or take a boat to it - but I"m pretty sure that isn't the one we're talking about.
:lol:

If we are talking about the Atlantis described by Plato - I believe that an advanced civilization (advanced to Plato) did exist at one time. I doubt that the details given by Plato were acurate, I believe that he was using the story to illistrate a point he was trying to make.

Some of the things Plato says can be interpreted to mean 1] an Island in the Mediterranian, or to mean 2] a continent in the Atlantic Ocean.

1] Thera is an island in the Mediterranian which fits much of Plato's description. There was once an island in the center of a bay on Thera which had a city on it. Neither the island, or the city (or about 2/3 of the Island of Thera for that matter) still exist. We know about the island and the city, because of a painting of it was found in the buried city of Santorini (located on the Island of Thera)

Santorini is a city much like Pompei, it was buried by feet and feet of volcanic rock. They can date the eruption that buried Santorini, it occurred before Plato. The volcanic eruption caused a Caldeara and the sea water rushing into the hot rock caused an explosion bigger than Krakatoa. This explosion caused a tsunami to hit Crete and is most likely responsible for the downfall of that civilization. (some people think that Santorini, and Crete may have been part of the same ocean-going civilization)

2] Since a continent would be to big to lose, maybe we just misnamed it. It could be South America, or even North America as both are continents about which the ancient Greeks didn't know. As for tobacco and such items showing up in Egyptian mummies - I believe that a seafaring people existed that traded between ancient Egypt and the New World - I just think that they kept their trading secrets to themselves and didn't bother to let "Western Civilization" know about it.

As for the detailed maps before they OUGHT to exist. Try reading 1421, the year China discovered America for 1 possible explaination. :shrug:

[rela00]

I remember going to Lands End as a teenager and spending hours just looking out to sea trying to hear the bells of Lyonesse (the Cornish Atlantis). These sorts of things really intrigue me and get my imaginative juices flowing. I can't back up anything with historical fact because I've never read anything fact based about Atlantis but I really do think there is some truth in these supposed "stories."
Oh and if your interested in this sort of thing there’s a great fiction book (for teenagers) that I read when I was about 15 called "Naming the Dark" by Annie Dalton. It's one of those that I keep going back and re-reading even as an adult because it sparks my imagination so much.

[Midnightsfire]

I remember going to Lands End as a teenager and spending hours just looking out to sea trying to hear the bells of Lyonesse (the Cornish Atlantis). These sorts of things really intrigue me and get my imaginative juices flowing. I can't back up anything with historical fact because I've never read anything fact based about Atlantis but I really do think there is some truth in these supposed "stories."
Just because:

Lost land of Lyonesse (http://www.cranstar.co.uk/legends.htm)

There are many legends of towns and countries submerged beneath the waves,but the legend of the lost land of Lyonesse is possibly the most famous.Lyonesse,we are told,was once a country beyond Land's End that boasted fine cities and 140 churches;then,on November 11th 1099 a great storm blew up and the marauding sea swept over it,drowning the luckless inhabitants and submerging the kingdom beneath the waves,until all that remained to view were the mountain peaks to the west,known to us now as the Isles of Scilly.Only one man survived.His name was Trevilian and he rode a white horse up to high ground at Perranuthnoe before the waves could overwhelm him.
A 16th century writer tells us that Land's End once stretched far to the west with a watchtower at the farthest point to guide sailors.The rocks known as the Seven Stones were believed to be the remains of a great city,called "The Town" by sailors,who told of dragging up window,doors and other domestic items in their nets.They also related how they had heard the church bells of Lyonesse ringing beneath the waves.
As late as the 1930's a journalist from the News Chronicle,Stanley Baron,was awoken in the night by the muffled ringing of bells and was told by his hosts that he had heard the bells of Lyonesse.A former mayor of Wilton,Edith Oliver,claimed she had twice seen towers,domes,spires and battlements beneath the waves whilst standing on the cliffs at Lands End.It is a rough and rocky sea and many a mariner has met his doom there,so it is not hard to believe that,like most legends,there is an element of truth in it.

(Yes, I do have many links detailing "lost lands." I was curious about "Cimmeria" once, and one thing led to another...)

[Auror Williamson]

Researcher Says He's Found Atlantis Off Cyprus
(http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20041114113309990012)

LIMASSOL, Cyprus (Nov. 14) - A U.S. researcher on Sunday claimed he had found the lost civilization of Atlantis in the watery deep off Cyprus -- adding his theory to a mystery which has baffled explorers for centuries.

Robert Sarmast says a Mediterranean basin was flooded in a deluge around 9,000 BC which submerged a rectangular land mass he believes was Atlantis, lying beneath sea level between Cyprus and Syria.

"We have definitely found it," said Sarmast, who led a team of explorers 50 miles or 80 kilometers off the south-east coast of Cyprus earlier this month.

But Cyprus' chief government archaeologist, Pavlos Flourentzos, was skeptical. "More proof is necessary,'' he said.

"The myth of Atlantis has been around for ages and it is generally believed that, if it ever existed, it was somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean - hence its name," Flourentzos added. "But ancient cities and civilizations in the Mediterranean region, such as the Minoan civilization of Crete, have disappeared as a result of major volcanic eruptions and earthquakes. For all we know, Atlantis may well have existed in our region.''

Deep water sonar scanning had indicated man-made structures on a submerged hill, including a wall, a walled hill summit and deep trenches, he said. Further explorations were needed, he added.

"We cannot yet provide tangible proof in the form of bricks and mortar as the artifacts are still buried under several meters of sediment, but the circumstantial and other evidence is irrefutable," he claimed.

At a news conference in the port city of Limassol, Sarmast provided only animated simulations of the "hill."

Whether and where Atlantis existed has captured imaginations for centuries.

According to ancient Greek philosopher Plato, Atlantis was an island nation where an advanced civilization developed some 11,500 years ago.

Theories abound as to why it disappeared, from Atlantis being hit by a cataclysmic natural disaster to Greek mythology which describes the civilization as being so corrupted by greed and power that it was destroyed by God.

Skeptics believe Atlantis was a figment of Plato's imagination.

Sarmast says he was led to Cyprus by clues in Plato's dialogues. Plato's reference to Atlantis lying opposite the Pillars of Hercules -- believed to be the Straits of Gibraltar -- have often led explorers to focus on either the Atlantic Ocean, Ireland or the Azores off Portugal.

"People who dismiss this have not really done their homework, skeptics don't really understand. To understand the enigma of Atlantis you have to have good knowledge of ancient history, Biblical references, the Sumerian culture and their tablets and so on," said Sarmast.

Although the most prevailing story of a world cataclysm is listed in the Biblical Old Testament, several ancient cultures do list accounts of civilizations being destroyed in floods.

http://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews_photos/01/03/20041114140309990012

Artist's rendition in link of the Temple of Atlantis

[Midnightsfire]

Cyprus?

CYPRUS??

9,000 BC? 11,000 years ago?

The romantic in me would love to accept that timeframe...But Cyprus?

I intially read about that here (http://www.archaeologyfieldwork.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=marketplace;action=display;num=1095235026) and elsewhere and dismissed it.

I'll believe it when I see the temple...

[lesliefoxy]

atlantis definately existed.
im taking an ancient civilization of greece class, and we learned that the most likely location of atlantis is the present day island of thera. platos accounts of the island was that it was past the walls of heracles (straights of gibralter-soryr mispelled) but that was too far for the time of naval capacity. also it includes the shape of a tricky entrance to access, which through careful literary examination resulted in a circular island, as the myth goes, zeus was angry at the people and destroyed this paradise that was created by poseidon. the date that plato gives for the downfall are parallel to the dates given for a gigantic earthquake and volcano activity that ocurred on this island, ruins have been found ont he island representing this perfect society, for there was no upper class, all which were found were upper middle class houses, such as those made for sea captains. fresoces found also resemble the story of the people of atlantis and their exploraitons of fellow civilizations.

[gemstone121]

Yeah I believe Atlantis did exisit. We studied this in ancient history last year. The island of Thera (modern day Santorini) is what supposed to have been Atlantis. There was this massive volcanic eruption there which blew a huge hole in the island. Plato writes about Atlantis in some of his works and if you compare this to Thera the discription fits almost perfectly. Also if you look at the art work of these people it shows the beauty and wealth of the people in Thera. It's really interesting to study I think I'll have a look at this book that you guys have mentioned.

~ Gems

[grammer]

I think the fact that ocean levels have risen by {up to} 400 feet in the last 10,000 years means that Tons of early sites are currently underwater.

I believe that there is an old Greek (?) saying that the ocean sets the table twice a day. I think that as long as resources were available at the seashore, few people would have moved inland. Who knows how much archealogical information is buried off the coast of the mediterranian?

[Rosie Cotton]

I don't think that it ever exsisted. Plato made it up to explain society!

[BluebirdTexas]

Nooooo, I think it is just a myth, a great and interesting one, but still untrue. There is no real evidence it would have ever existed so it's only a matter of belief.

[Norbertha]

I don't think Atlantis existed as a fantastic land with advanced techology and things like that. But, there have been significant changes in the water level throughout history: Areas that were on land, are now under water, and vice verca. The myth about Atlantis could theoretically be an example of oral history about an area which has been flooded.

[grammer]

I think it's likely that Plato took tales from an earlier time and wove them into a story about a town named Atlantis. The island of Thera is a probable source for many of those stories. Remember, Troy was a myth until it was dug-up, so were Ur and the empire of the Hittites. - Advances in archeology have unveiled much that was believed to be myth before. In the early 1800's nobody would have believed that there were pyramids in Central America.

[zippythesqurl2]

I think it existed ina form. One way or another. The Summarians had pretty advanced technology for their time. And we're talking about DNA double helixes being carved into cave walls. Helicoper drawings. Things of that nature.

With the flooding that has happened; Greece was much, much larger. Australia was connected to Tazmania, Tazmania had a land connection to New Zealand, and the Bahamas were much larger (they've found paved roads off of bohemium islands, big, giant right-angled blocks. Right angles don't happen naturally)
With the way the world is going, it's entirely plausable that great civilizations existed (Ancient Myans had paved streets with lamps!) all over the world. Then, with the way things go, we destroyed it. Because humans are like that. We like building so we can tear down.

[busy91]

From watching several documentaries, I can say that I believe it did exist. I think most of it is at the bottom of the Atlantic. I’m not sure, it has been said to be in different places.

[Holly is Short]

Yeah...why can't there have been an Atlantis...? I'd beleive an island existed before I'd believe other stuff I've heard...its the one thing I actually do believe besides all the other "mythology"

[haha]

I have to say that i think i've been converted. I went to this thread about to say that i don't think Atlantis existed but after reading some of the threads from those more kknowledgeble that i am ;) i have to say that now, if they (archeologists, govt and other official people) declared that it actually existed, i wouldn't be all that surprised.

[erynae]

I believe that Atlantis existed. There's not a doubt in my mind. I have always been fascinated by the story of it. I believe it starting when I was about seven, and I kept having this scary recurring dream that there was a big, dark wave as big as a mountain looming over houses and people, and everyone was running from it. Naturally. What was weird was that the people, including myself, weren't wearing "modern" clothing. We were clothes from a long time ago. Then after a few times that I had that dream, I told my mum because it was scaring me (I was only little...) and she told me that my grandmother, my uncle and my neice all suffer from the same thing, the exactly same dream. My grandmother was (and still is) convinced that our family were all living in Atlantis in a past life, bless her. Last year, we were in Science and we were learning about Genetics. The topic of inherited memories came up. I found it strange that other people in my family were all having the exact same dream as I was. I knew the story of Atlantis, and I though, could it possible that my ancestors were Atlanteans? So I did my research, and I still am convinced that I have Atlantean blood in me.

After months and months of researching and looking at different theories of Atlantis, I have come to my own conclusion about Atlantis, but I wasn't the first, nor will I be the last, to think of this theory.

I believe that Atlantis is in neither the Atlantic ocean nor the Mediterrean. Why? The Mediterrean Sea is far too small and cramped to sustain a large island that is meant to be surronded by mystery. I don't believe that it is in the Atlantic for a few reasons. People assume that it is in the Atlantic because of the name. Here is an excerpt from a great website:

But the fact is that what we call by the name of "Atlantic Ocean" is not the same as that of the ancients. Herodotus, Aristotle, Plato, Strabo, and several other ancient authors are very specific on the fact that the "Atlantic Ocean" — otherwise called "Ocean of the Atlanteans", "Outer Ocean", "Kronian Ocean", Mare Oceanum ("Ocean Sea") or Mare Magnum ("Great Sea") was indeed the whole of the "earth-encircling ocean". This Ocean surrounded the whole world then known, that of Eurasia and Africa. In other words, the Atlantic Ocean of the ancients was the World Ocean that is indeed coterminous and encircles the entire globe of the earth, and which we now arbitrarily divide into Pacific, Indian and Atlantic, despite the fact that all three are coterminous.

A quote from Aristotle, the great disciple of Plato, will show what we mean:

"Men have divided the inhabited earth into different islands and continents. But this is the result of their ignorance of the fact that the whole of it is an expanse surrounded on sides by the waters of the Atlantic Ocean". (De Mundo, III:18)
Herodotus is even more explicit on this. After affirming that "some say the [Atlantic] Ocean begins in the East", he adds:
"The sea frequented by the Greeks, that beyond the Pillars of Hercules, which is called the Atlantic or, also, the Erythraean (Indian Ocean) are all one and the same sea." (Hist. I:203)
Hence, we see that the Atlantic Ocean or, rather, Ocean of the Atlanteans, of the ancient Greeks of the time of Plato and Aristotle was not only the one we call by that name, but included the Indian Ocean and that portion of the Pacific Ocean along the eastern coast of Asia.

I believe that part of Atlantis exists. These are the lofty mountains which were once in Atlantis. These mountains now form the islands that the ancients later knew as the 'Islands of the Blest', which we now know as Indonesia. I believe, as other researchesr do, Atlantis to be the about the same size as Libya

Atlantis was described by Plato, and by others, as rich with many exotic plants and animals. For this to happen, the climate must be tropical, thus placing Atlantis on, or very close, to the Equator. The reason why the location of Atlantis is so hard to pinpoint is because Atlantis was more than just an island. It was a worldwide Empire, and had colonies all over. These colonies tried to duplicate the motherland (as Australians who are well aware of their history would know...) The correct location of the motherland was a piece of information that extremely little people knew, for if people knew the whereabouts of Atlantis, they would have been ransacked by pirates.

The continent of Atlantis was a large trader, especially with it's sister island/continent, Lemuria.

Like Hawaii, Atlantis was an island/continent that was built around a volcano, and this was a ground of religious worship. I believe the Volcano of Atlantis to be half the size of Everest. The Atlanteans, some being highly educated, knew that it was a volcano, but they believed it to be inactive. And then for months, the poor people, didn't know why every now and then the ground would shake ever so slightly, or why smoke came out of the top of the volcano, or why one of the many rivers which came down from the volcano was polluted with sulphuric acids. And then one day...it went BOOM! and those few who managed to get away from the lava escaped to a small neighbouring island, were they thought that they were out of the woods. They weren't. As we know, Southern Asia is a hot-spot for the tetonic plates (just think about what happened very recently there), and large earthquake occurred, but the earthquake came about from the volcano explosion, not the plates. And so this stirred up tsunamis, which destroyed the refugees of Atlantis. But not all perished. The nobles and their families escaped in a small boat, who then, many, many months later, came to the shores of Ireland.

There is an idea that the Great Pyramids of Egypt and South America pay tribute to the "Mountain" of Atlantis. The destruction of Atlantis has been allegorised as the Phoenix, whom we all know (or should know) dies, and then is reborn from it's ashes. This rebirth of Atlantis has indeed been foretold in many scriptures throughout the world, and it is believed it will happen at the dawn of the Age of Aquarius - the Third Millennium, which is what we are living in now. This ressurection will mark the beginning of the new Golden Age - where we will have universal peace and harmony.

[Holly is Short]

Tolkien had that same dream...but who says Atlantis never existed? People (scientists and all that) don't and can't know everything...

[erynae]

Yeah, I have a book called 'The World of Tolkien' by David Day, which looks at the mythological sources for his works, and when I saw that he and his son had the same dream, I was like GAH! I'M RELATED TO TOLKIEN! WOOHOO! But of course, I'm not...

[Byrum]

I always thought that Atlantis was the civilisation on the island of Crete, the Minoans (I haven't read the entire thread so sorry if that has been mentioned a bijillion times, I just saw a thread on ancient history, which I enjoy, and thought I'd throw in my 2 knuts :))

[sergorat]

I think that Atlantis really existed, but it wasn't that great. There might have been an island and it sunk.

[iluvhhr]

I believe that Atlantis existed. Aren't there legends that the people were magical or something? If so, then I don't believe those legends. Atlantis was just a regular island that disappeared under water due to rising ocean levels or some big storm or volcano. Stories about people discovering Atlantis pop up a few times a year.

[Byrum]

Yeah but so do stories about werewolves and big foot and ufo's. The fact of the matter is no evidence has been found to prove they exist, just sketchy photos, or in this case sketchy archaeological finds that really could have belonged to anyone.

[haha]

People (scientists and all that) don't and can't know everything...
Yeah, but they pretend to ;)

Yeah but so do stories about werewolves and big foot and ufo's. The fact of the matter is no evidence has been found to prove they exist, just sketchy photos, or in this case sketchy archaeological finds that really could have belonged to anyone. True, but just because there isn't alot of evidence to support it will not necessarily stop people believing in it. [btw werewolves exist...haven't u ever read HP ;) ]

[Byrum]

Beleiving in something and something actually being there are completly different. If Atlantis existed, either absolutely everything that was there was destroyed beyond recognition or it existed so long ago that nothing remains to be found, which is odd seeing as they were so technologically advanced.

BTW, speaking of werewolves, I wonder if JKR will write Bigfoot into her series. As the Half Blood Prince maybe, a cross between a giant and an abominable snowman ;)

[erynae]

lo, bigfoot. I don't see why not...he could be Grawp's friend!

[fenellaevangela]

I subscribe to the theory that Atlantis was based on the island of Santorini (AKA Thera)

[Byrum]

Yes I would go with the Thera theory as well, I think that many archaelogists and proffessionals and the like find something that they can't document or define where it came from and the nex thing you know there is another documentary 'Does Atlantis Exist?' which always, ALWAYS never leaves you with a definite answer. But seeing as Thera had a violent volcanic eruption in history it is quite possible that it was referred to as Atlantis and later became known as a much greater city than it originally was, due to the changes in details through oral tradition or 'word of mouth' stories, told by wandering bards like Homer and Hesiod that were popular at the time.

[iluvhhr]

Originally Posted by Byrum
Yes I would go with the Thera theory as well, I think that many archaelogists and proffessionals and the like find something that they can't document or define where it came from and the nex thing you know there is another documentary 'Does Atlantis Exist?' which always, ALWAYS never leaves you with a definite answer. But seeing as Thera had a violent volcanic eruption in history it is quite possible that it was referred to as Atlantis and later became known as a much greater city than it originally was, due to the changes in details through oral tradition or 'word of mouth' stories, told by wandering bards like Homer and Hesiod that were popular at the time.

I've never heard that theory before. It's a pretty convincing one, though.

[Teraad]

Thera is most definitely the basis for the legends of Atlantis. It fits Plato's description of it's location by taking into account is tenfold error. Practically all of his measurements were ten times larger than they really were. Plus he describes the location as being near the "centre of the world". What does Mediterranean translate as roughly? "Centre of the Earth".

As for the book mentioned repeatedly by the original poster, I wouldn't call the author that reliable. He's written many "fringe" books. Mostly about how there existed a race of giants that bred with humans (basically following the biblical stories of the nephilim), also a race of "elder gods" built the pyramids and he looks at a "secret history" of Egypt that historians are hiding from us, and "alien energy" that may or may not be responsible for crop circles and abductions.

His works seem to require a conspiracy in order to even make it believable. Governments or historians or archaeologists must be collaborating to hide such vast stores of "secret histories". Not exactly believable, except maybe to paranoid schizophrenics. To offence to schizophrenics, of course.

[Byrum]

I always wondered if discoveries about UFO's and giants and the like were ever made why would the government want to hush them up. What would be the point? Unless of course the MoM is involved, THEN there would be a point to keep it quite, but the governements of today would have no need to hide anything like that from the public. What are we going to do, try and steal the artefacts, we're just going to read about it in the paper and go 'oh, ok, they discovered bigfoot. Next page.'

It's the same with Atlantis, if anything was actually discovered that directly pointed to a civilisation that has not yet been discovered, like some kind of coin or pot, it wouldn't be kept from the public and hidden in secret locations like Area 51, if it exists.

[erynae]

I do believe in aliens and I do believe that the world governments are hiding it, though I have no idea but I'm sure that there is a reason for that.

[Byrum]

I can understand the beleif in aliens, as in life on other planet billions of light years away, but how can you beleive the government actually has some. It would take them millions of years to get here and how do they even know we ARE here, then the government keeps them from us? To me it doesn't make any sense.

[Selene Sedai]

I don't know. I'm not a historian (though it'd be ausome if i was) and so i don't know all the factors that prove or disprove the existance of Atlantis.

However, the book thats been mentioned "Getaway to Atlantis" seems like a good read.

My only problem with the existance of Atlantis, is this:

How do they know "Atlantis" was its name? This fluke could be used as proof that it did exist... but... i'm a tad doubtful. :)

[Byrum]

I think the ancient writers in Greece and Egypt and the like wrote about the city of Atlantis, and they called it Atlantis or at least that's what it translates to. Anyway I'm pretty sure they got the name from one or many of the writers that wrote about the city many centuries ago. Cool name though.

[haha]

I always wondered if discoveries about UFO's and giants and the like were ever made why would the government want to hush them up. What would be the point? Unless of course the MoM is involved, THEN there would be a point to keep it quite, but the governements of today would have no need to hide anything like that from the public.
What about the mass hesteria which it might cause if something like that did come out. I mean the government would especially want to hush it up if they didn't have a plan or didn't know how to deal with it. We all know that governments want to appear as if they are always in control.

I think the ancient writers in Greece and Egypt and the like wrote about the city of Atlantis, and they called it Atlantis or at least that's what it translates to. Anyway I'm pretty sure they got the name from one or many of the writers that wrote about the city many centuries ago. Cool name though.
Seems like a valid theory, and it makes sense. But i think to write about the city they would at least have to base it on something, maybe not Atlantis itself but a similar city where they got ideas from. Of course, it could also be pure imagination...all we need to know for sure is a time machine :p

[Byrum]

What about the mass hesteria which it might cause if something like that did come out. I mean the government would especially want to hush it up if they didn't have a plan or didn't know how to deal with it. We all know that governments want to appear as if they are always in control.
I don't think people work like that though. There would be mass histeria if aliens were INVADING earth :p but probably not that they were discovered. It would be a scientific discovery that would benefit us all, except the people that don't beleive in life on other planets. But they can go on beleiving what they will, and I don't think the discovery of aliens would affect people's lives dramatically, there is a huge probability that they exist but a very small probability that they could reach earth.

Seems like a valid theory, and it makes sense. But i think to write about the city they would at least have to base it on something, maybe not Atlantis itself but a similar city where they got ideas from.
Of course they did, the question is what? I think that it was the island of Thera that had its civilisation destroyed by a volcano or possibly it was reffering to the Minoans, they were quite advanced for their time and were also on an island in the Mediterreanean and their demise is usually pointed to a number of earthquakes that eventually destroyed all of their palaces. Atlantis is said to have been destroyed by such natural disasters and supposedly sunk into the sea (moving crust of the earth or a tectonic plate?) but I don't think that Atlantis was itself a seperate city that noone has been able to find, how many great civilisations on islands in the Mediterreanean destroyed by natural disasters are there ;)

[haha]

I don't think people work like that though. There would be mass histeria if aliens were INVADING earth but probably not that they were discovered.
It's true that there is a slightly less probability of it happening but it the important factor is that it COULD occur and i don't think that governments would take a chance of it happeneing.
But they can go on beleiving what they will, and I don't think the discovery of aliens would affect people's lives dramatically, there is a huge probability that they exist but a very small probability that they could reach earth.
You'll be happy to know that my physics teacher agrees with you ;) The world is so huge that what we have discovered in science and other areas are just a tip of the iceberg, so we definitely can't really say for sure that aliens or other life forms don'r exist at all.

Of course they did, the question is what? I think that it was the island of Thera that had its civilisation destroyed by a volcano or possibly it was reffering to the Minoans, they were quite advanced for their time and were also on an island in the Mediterreanean and their demise is usually pointed to a number of earthquakes that eventually destroyed all of their palaces. Atlantis is said to have been destroyed by such natural disasters and supposedly sunk into the sea (moving crust of the earth or a tectonic plate?) but I don't think that Atlantis was itself a seperate city that noone has been able to find, how many great civilisations on islands in the Mediterreanean destroyed by natural disasters are there
I've actually never heard of this island so i'll have to check it out, but what your saying makes sense. But i wouldn't underestimate the number of civilisations destroyed byt natural disasters because there are a lot about history that we don't know of. Mainly because during wars and things a lot fo the documentation to events were distroyed. The only civilisation which has managed to keep good records is the Eguptians and even they lost a lot of stuff.

Another interesting fact that i learnt i commerce is that if you go to another nation where you are not a citizen of you are considered an alien by that government. That's the real law term :p . So technically aliens everywhere are walking around Earth as we speak ;)

[happypokadots]

I think that Antarctica was orginally Atlantis. Much if it is under water and hard to get to from the ice, so no one would ever be able to say yes or no.

Here is a site that talks a lot about where Atlantis is.http://www.atlan.org/

Another site for Atlantis and this talks about it being under Antarcticahttp://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/12/02/40228.html

[erynae]

Isn't the Antartica/Atlantis theory to do with the pole shift or the pole flip orsomething? I've heard of that theory, but know little of it.

What about the mass hesteria which it might cause if something like that did come out. I mean the government would especially want to hush it up if they didn't have a plan or didn't know how to deal with it. We all know that governments want to appear as if they are always in control.

Exactly. The governments wouldn't know enough about aliens to distinguish whether they are a threat to life on Earth, if they are harmless or if they can communicate. Why would the governments feel the need to tell us? The only way we would find out about it is if someone leaked it to the media. The governments don't even tell us what's happening in our own planet let alone the universe.

[Byrum]

I think that Antarctica was orginally Atlantis. Much if it is under water and hard to get to from the ice, so no one would ever be able to say yes or no.
Possibly.....but extremely hugely gianormously unlikely. First of all, I don't think Antarctica has actually moved more than a couple of miles/kilometers in the last thousand years or so, it is pretty much in the same place it was back then, and it was probably as cold. It was also too far away from the mediterranean and roughly 1.5 times the size of the united states, and would no fit in the medittereanean. So unless there were drastic changes and a country bigger than the US sank, and moved thousands of miles to get where it is today, then I dont think Atlantis is on Antarctica. I maybe wrong in some of my evidence (but I don't think so), but I still don't think it is possible

[haha]

Exactly. The governments wouldn't know enough about aliens to distinguish whether they are a threat to life on Earth, if they are harmless or if they can communicate. Why would the governments feel the need to tell us? The only way we would find out about it is if someone leaked it to the media. The governments don't even tell us what's happening in our own planet let alone the universe.
Its good to know someone agrees with me :D

[erynae]

...roughly 1.5 times the size of the united states

Forget the US, Antartica is the biggest continent of them all.

Here's something I found at website dismissing the theory of Antartica/Atlantis.

Q: What makes you so certain that Atlantis is not located in Antarctica as Flem-Ath, Bauval, West and others affirm?

A: The idea that the crust of the earth flipped, taking Atlantis from the tropics into the Polar Circle is just a modern flaunt of the ancient theory called Pole Shift. But if earth's crust indeed flipped — an impossibility in geophysical and astrophysical terms — several other consequences would necessarily occur that are not observed in practice. As the crust is solid, it would take, if it flipped, the former Polar Region into the Tropics. This effect is not observed at all in the time scale of 10,000 years or so of the Atlantean events.

Furthermore, the Polar Glaciers and others such as the one of Greenland have been drilled recently, and the results of the detailed analysis they underwent show that they have been on site for the last million years, having formed without intermission along this huge space of time. Moreover, recent pallinological analyses (of plant pollen) and those of the sediments of the bottom of the seas made on a worldwide scale again show that that these regions have been on more or less their present position for hundreds of millions of years.

Rock magnetism, again, supports the above results, just as do a dozen others we could quote. No, the notion of Pole Shift is preposterously anti-scientific. The above results are no theory, but observational fact that will have to be embodied in any decent theory of the earth. So, unless you are a fanatic of some sort, forget Pole Shift and concentrate on more tenable theories of earth behavior. Scientists may not indeed know what causes the Ice Ages. But they are no fools, and well know it is not Pole Shift.

Still, everyone is entitled to their own views and theories on the matter. I, for instance, don't believe in the Thera/Atlantis theory.

[happypokadots]

like I said, its obviously in Antarctica

After WW II, scientists started to pay close attention to the issue of a supposedly once-existing civilization in Antarctica. The hypothesis is confirmed by some medieval maps and research of paleogeologists and glaciologists.

In January of 1820, Lieutenant of Russian Empire Fleet Mikhail Lazarev discovered a new continent. In the beginning of 20th century, a Russian encyclopaedia, while adducing the approximate square milage of south pole continent, reported that it was insufficiently explored and there was no flora and fauna. The author of the article also mentioned the richness of the algae and sea life.

Twenty years later, the director of the Istanbul National Museum, Khalil Edkhem, was sorting out a library of the Byzantine emperors in an old palace. He found an ancient map made on gazelle skin. On the map, there were the shores of western and southern Africa, as well as the northern shores of Antarctica. Khalil could not believe hiseyes: the shores of the Queen Mod Land, to the south of the 70th parallel, was free of ice. An ancient cartographer marked a mountain chain there. The name of the cartographer was known: an admiral of the Ottoman Empire fleet, Piri Reis, who lived in the first half of 16th century.

The map?s authenticity was without doubt. Graphology examinations of the notes on the margin confirmed that they belonged to the admiral.

In 1949, a combined British and Swedish expedition conducted intensive seismic measurements of the South Pole through the ice cap. According to the commander of 8th Technical Investigation Squadron of the US Armed Force Strategic Command, Colonel Harold Olmayer, ? the geographical details of the bottom part of the map (the shore of Antarctica) correspond with the results of the seismic measurements. We cannot correlate these data with the supposed level of geography in 1513.?

In his notes on the map?s margin, made in the early 16th century, Piri Reis explained that he was not responsible for the cartography and that the map was based on earlier sources. Some of these ?earlier sources? belong to his contemporaries (for example, to Christopher Columbus), while others could be dated to the 4th century B. C. Not later, because one of these sources belonged to Alexander the Great.

Of course, professional historians who specialize in ancient history could say the following: ?This is only one more hypothesis. What about documentary and, what is more desirable, trust-worthy sources? The opinion of the Turkish admiral and notes on a margin? You know, it is too disputable!?

Therefore, I would like to present the position of the late historian and professor of Keene College in New Hampshire, USA, Charles H. Hapgood. In the late 1959, he found in the Washington Congressional Library a map created by Orontheus Phynius in 1531. Orontheus Phynius depicted Antarctica with mountains and rivers, without glaciers. The relief of the continent?s center was not marked, which, according to Hapgood, could mean that there had been an ice cap in that area.

In the early 1960s, Phynius? map was studied by Doctor Richard Stratchen of the Massachusetts Technology Institute together with Hapgood. Both scientists concluded that Phynius had indeed depicted Antarctica free of ice. The characteristics depicted were very close to the information that was obtained in 1958 by specialists from different countries

Gerard Cremer, known in the world as Mercator, also trusted Orontheus? evidence. He included the Phynius map into his atlas, in which several maps of Antarctica by Mercator himself were also included. There is one interesting feature: on Mercator?s map of 1569, the west shore of South America is pictured less accurately than on the earlier map of Mercator from 1538. The reasons for this contradiction are the following: while working at the earlier map, the cartographer of 16th century proceeded from ancient sources, which were not kept for our time, and while working at the later map, he proceeded from observations of the first Spanish explorers to South America. Gerard Mercato?s mistake can be excused. In the 16th century, there were no precise methods to measure longitude: as a rule, an error could have been hundreds of kilometers!

Finally, we come to Philippe Boiche, full member of the French Academy of Science. In 1737, he published his map of Antarctica. Boiche presented a precise picture of Antarctica of the time when the continent was free of ice. On his map, the under-ice topography of the continent is presented, about which our civilization had no clear idea until 1958. Moreover, based on now-lost sources, the French academician depicted in the middle of the South Pole a body of water dividing it into two sub-continents, which were situated to the west and to the east from the line, where the Trans-Antarctic Mountains are now marked. According to the investigation in the framework of International Geophysical Year (1958), Antarctic is in fact an archipelago of large islands covered with 1.5-kilometers of ice.


Medieval maps show Antarctica without an ice cap or partially covered with ice. The precision of the 16th century cartographers was very high and even surprising. Their data surpassed the technical possibilities even of the late Middle Ages (for example, the determination of the longitude of a relief within one minute). This level was reached by mankind in the late 18th century, while in some cases, the 20th.

Scientists cannot comment on the high scientific level of medieval cartography. Information from almost 2000-year-old primary sources is supposed to be not well-founded.

Orthodox geology claimed that the age of the Antarctica ice cap was at least 25 million years; however, recently, it has been reduced to six million years

Therefore, we should notice the following feature of the Reis map: the shore of the continent was free of ice. On the Phynius map, made 18 years after the Reis map, there is an ice cap around the South Pole within the limits of 80th and the 75th parallels. Two hundred years later, academician Boiche depicted Antarctica with glaciers.

The conclusion is obvious: we can see the process of the spreading of glaciers on the southern continent.

In 1949, Admiral Baird?s expedition bore holes into the Ross Sea in three spots, where Orontheus Phynius marked river-beds. In the cuts, fine-grained layers were found, obviously brought to the sea with rivers, whose sources were situated in temperate latitudes (i.e. free of glaciers).

While using the nuclear dating method of doctor U. Oury from the Karnegy Institute in Washington, scientists discovered that Antarctica?s rivers, which were sources of fine-dyspersated deposits, were flowing as depicted on the Phynius map, about 6,000 years ago. About 4000 years B. C., glacial sediments started to accumulate on the bottom of Ross Sea. Kernels show that before this, there was a long warm period.

Therefore, the maps of Reis, Phynius, and Mercator present Antarctica when the ancient Egyptian and Shumer civilizations were newborn. This point of view is excluded by almost all professional historians and could be regarded as an operating hypothesis that cannot be verified. Any historian would say that there were no civilization of the kind in the late 5th millenium B. C. According to Doctor Jacob Hock from Illinois University, the deposits in-question could be 6 to 12 thousand years old.

In September 1991, US and Egyptian archaeologists discovered at a distance of 13 km from Nile River, in Abidos, 12 large boats that belonged to Pharaohs of First Dynasty. The age of the boats is about 5,000 years. They are believed to be the most ancient vessels in the world, the leader of the expedition, D. O?Connor far, the find is estimated to be aimed for religious rites.

According to Herodotus, ancient Egyptians tracked stars more than 10,000 years ago. This statement of the ?father of history? is supposed to be esoteric and, therefore, not true. However, land nations seldom produced astronomers. The fact that ancient Egyptians were interested in astronomy may indicate that they inherited some knowledge from an unknown civilization of navigators.

Workers of US technical intelligence determined the projection center of the Piri Reis map, whose data belongs to 4000 year B. C. The projection center was supposedly situated near today?s Cairo. At that time, according to most historians, all then-existing nations were at a very low level of development.


Between the 5th and 10th milleniums B. C., there was a civilization on Earth that possessed great knowledge in the field of navigation, cartography, and astronomy, which was no less advanced than that that of the 18th century.

This civilization preceded our civilization, and it was not an extraterrestrial one. Its age could be several thousands years, while its location was probably on the northern shore of the most southern continent, or archipelago: Antarctica. Later, this civilization may have resettled to the north-east of Africa.

The reason for the death of the civilization was the covering of Antarctica with glaciers. This process started no earlier not than in 10th millenium B. C. It cannot be excluded that there were also large-scale floods, which were regular and cause long-term local deluges (this is confirmed by archaeologists). These disasters could have destroyed most of the civilization?s cultural objects. However, some fragments might be found in the future under the thickness of ice. It can also be assumed that the survivors of Antarctica kept and handed down knowledge to the ancient Egyptians.

Therefore, if there will ever be an extensive exploration of Antarctica, mankind will most likely be surprised with the results.

What more proof do you need

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The reason for the death of the civilization was the covering of Antarctica with glaciers.
I know that the reason Atlantis sunk was because of natural disasters, and that all of their technology had been distroyed, but if it were covered by ice, wouldn't some things still be preserved including animals. Lots of ancient historical animals have been discovered preserved encased in ice like the woolly mammoth for example, but so far, even with the technology that we have, nothing seems to have been found so far.
Still, everyone is entitled to their own views and theories on the matter. I, for instance, don't believe in the Thera/Atlantis theory.
Fair enough, but to me it seems like the most logical one so far.

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Here's some evidence and FAQs about Indonesia being the site of Atlantis. I found it from the site http://www.atlan.org/sci/ (http://). As there is a checklist in it, I can't really post it here. But here are the FAQs taken from the same website.

FAQs

1) Q: What are indeed Atlantis and Lemuria?
A: Atlantis was a continent of the Atlantic Ocean where, according to Plato, and advanced civilization developed some 11,600 years ago. Plato affirms that, as the result of a huge volcanic cataclysm of worldwide extent, this continent sunk away underseas, disappearing forever. Official Science - the one you learn at school - rejects the actual existence of Atlantis, as it has so far been unable to find any traces of its reality. But the reason for that is simple to explain. Everybody has been looking in the wrong locations, as Atlantis indeed lies in the opposite side of the world.

Lemuria, on the other hand, is an even older version of Atlantis. Lemuria is indeed the same as the Garden of Eden and other such Paradises that in fact existed and were the actual birthplace of Mankind and Civilization, precisely as the Bible and other Holy Books affirm. From there, civilization spread to Atlantis and other parts of the world, in the dawn of times, some 20 or 30 thousand years ago, during the Ice Age.


2) Q: What is the importance of Atlantis for Mankind?

A: Atlantis is the source of all Religion, all Science and all races and civilizations. Its discovery now, at the very dawn of the Millennium, has been predicted from deepest antiquity, and is indeed the true message of the Gospels and other such Holy Books. The discovery of Atlantis brings back the hope of rebirth of the Golden Age, with its promise of universal peace, harmony, love and happiness for all Mankind. It will also cause a major revolution in our view of the world and of both our past and our future. All this is to happen now, as we enter the Third Millennium, the Age of Aquarius.


3) Q: How can you claim to have discovered Atlantis, when so many other great authorities have failed before? Is this one just another illusion as so many before?

A: No, my find is not an illusion at all. First, it is solidly based on scientific results from both the exact and the human sciences. And these include Geology, Astronomy, Paleontology, Archaeology, Linguistics, Ethnology, Comparative Mythology, Comparative Religion, Philosophy and so on. Second, we had the luck to find the Key to the ancient myths and traditions, so that the difficult alchemical allegories and the mythical enigmas which mainly have to do with Atlantean secrets became crystal clear to us. The problem of Atlantis requires both supports, that of Occult tradition and that of "Official" Science.


4) Q: You claim Atlantis is located under the South China Sea. Is it not true that "if it is Atlantis, it is got to be located in the Atlantic Ocean"?

A: Yes, that is right. But the fact is that what we call by the name of "Atlantic Ocean" is not the same as that of the ancients. Herodotus, Aristotle, Plato, Strabo, and several other ancient authors are very specific on the fact that the "Atlantic Ocean" — otherwise called "Ocean of the Atlanteans", "Outer Ocean", "Kronian Ocean", Mare Oceanum ("Ocean Sea") or Mare Magnum ("Great Sea") was indeed the whole of the "earth-encircling ocean". This Ocean surrounded the whole world then known, that of Eurasia and Africa. In other words, the Atlantic Ocean of the ancients was the World Ocean that is indeed coterminous and encircles the entire globe of the earth, and which we now arbitrarily divide into Pacific, Indian and Atlantic, despite the fact that all three are coterminous.

A quote from Aristotle, the great disciple of Plato, will show what we mean:

"Men have divided the inhabited earth into different islands and continents. But this is the result of their ignorance of the fact that the whole of it is an expanse surrounded on sides by the waters of the Atlantic Ocean". (De Mundo, III:18)
Herodotus is even more explicit on this. After affirming that "some say the [Atlantic] Ocean begins in the East", he adds:
"The sea frequented by the Greeks, that beyond the Pillars of Hercules, which is called the Atlantic or, also, the Erythraean (Indian Ocean) are all one and the same sea." (Hist. I:203)
Hence, we see that the Atlantic Ocean or, rather, Ocean of the Atlanteans, of the ancient Greeks of the time of Plato and Aristotle was not only the one we call by that name, but included the Indian Ocean and that portion of the Pacific Ocean along the eastern coast of Asia.

[B]5) Q: Was Atlantis an island or a continent? [/B]

A: Atlantis was a continent. Its capital was called by the same name or by that of Poseidonis, and was located on an island next to its coast. After this continent sunk under the seas, only the peaks of its loftiest mountains remained above the water, forming what the ancients later knew as the Islands of the Blest, and which we know as those of Indonesia.


[B]6) Q: Can continents sink? [/B]

A: No. Continents float isostatically over the molten magma, more or less like a ship over the seas. But the seas can rise — as they did at the end of the Ice Age — submerging large portions of the low-lying lands. As a matter of fact, Plato's sunken continent of Atlantis is the large extension of continental dimensions to the south of Southeast Asia called Australasia by geographers.

This vast Pleistocenic continent was known of old by many legendary names such as Elysian Fields by the Greeks, Field of Reeds (Sekhet Aaru) by the Egyptians, Aztlan by the Mayas, Rutas by the Hindus, and so on. As the seas rose by 100-150 meters at the end of the Pleistocene and, as these lands were very low, they sunk away, and now form what we call the South China Sea. This sea is very shallow, and its depth averages under 60 meters or so. Hence, is easy to reckon that this unique region was indeed subaerial during the Pleistocene.


[B]7) Q: Are there vestiges of a sunken island or continent in the Atlantic Ocean? [/B]

A: No. Extensive sounding of the entire Atlantic Basin for over a century reveals no sunken continent or remains of one anywhere in the Atlantic Basin. The fact is that Europe and Africa were originally coterminous with North and South America, forming a super-continent called Pangea ("Whole Earth") by geologists. Due to Continental Drift, these continents began to separate some 200 millions ago, forming the Atlantic Ocean. At the center, where the super-continent of Pangea cleft, the fissure known as the Great Rift remained, as a sort of scar separating the two Tectonic Plates and marking their original position.

From this fissure, volcanic magma continuously issues, forming a huge mountain range and causing the tectonic plates to separate at a rate of about 2.5 cm/year. It is this mountain range — called the Mid-Oceanic Ridge — that is often mistaken for the remains of Atlantis. But, this only occurs among some ancient Atlantologists such as I. Donnelly, or with those unaware of the recent advances of Geology and Plate Tectonics Theory. Moreover, the islands of the Atlantic Ocean are all small, rising directly from the abyssal depths, leaving no room for any sunken continent or island of large size. The connection between Atlantis and the Sargasso Sea is likewise absurd, as this sea is indeed very deep, and never held any continent or large island in its vast expanse.


[B]8) Q: Thera or Santorini, the volcanic caldera located is the Greek region of the Mediterranean Sea, is often claimed to be the remains of Atlantis by several Atlantologists of scientific repute. Is this view tenable? [/B]

A: Not at all. Plato and other authorities are very specific on the fact that Atlantis lay "outside the Pillars of Hercules". It is ridiculous to suppose that Plato would ignore the real position of neighboring Crete in relation to Gibraltar, or that he would believe that a whole continent ever existed inside the Mediterranean Basin.

The scientists who propose this theory support themselves on the fact that the island of Thera (Santorini) was indeed sunk by a huge volcanic explosion that destroyed the tiny island. This explosion took place at about 1,700 BC, and very probably swept away the civilization of the vicinal island of Crete with a tsunami of colossal proportions. Other than that, there is no evidence connecting the event with Atlantis, though the two cataclysms are obviously similar.By the way, the name of Crete means precisely "swept clean [of people]" in Dravida, the language of the Proto-Mediterraneans.

Despite its name, Minoan Crete was only slightly affected by the cataclysm. It did not sink away, and actually reached its apogee after it. Second, Minoan Crete never formed anything like the huge empire described by Plato, being far lesser in size and population than, for instance, nations such as Egypt, Mesopotamia, Persia, India., etc.. The "force-fitting" that such proponents do, shrinking Atlantis' size and the date of its cataclysm by a factor of ten, is utterly unscientific and cannot be maintained at all.


[B]9) Q: Is there any possibility that Atlantis was located in the Caribbean region, as many authors claim?[/B]

A: None at all! Despite the predictions of Edgar Cayce, no evidence has turned up so far confirming the existence of Atlantis anywhere in the Caribbean region. The sunken archaeological remains found in the region turned out to be natural formations. The detailed submarine mapping of the region disclosed no vestiges of any sunken features or buildings larger that a few meters at most. The geological evidence precludes any sunken continent or submerged large island in the Caribbean region.


[B]10) Q: Is Atlantis possibly located in the North Sea, as some authorities claim? [/B]

A: No. During the Pleistocene Ice Age, Scandinavia and nearby regions were an icy desolation, and could not possibly support a luscious civilization such as the one described by Plato. Besides, Plato's Atlantis is fully Tropical, with many forests, rivers and canals full of fragrant fruits, perfumes and luxuriant vegetation. Moreover, in contrast to what Plato claims, Scandinavia and neighboring regions never sunk away underseas. In fact, it is still there, as it has always been in the past, far before its formidable people came all the way from Atlantis, when this continent sunk away under the sea.


[B]11) Q: What makes you so certain that Atlantis is not located in Antarctica as Flem-Ath, Bauval, West and others affirm? [/B]

A: The idea that the crust of the earth flipped, taking Atlantis from the tropics into the Polar Circle is just a modern flaunt of the ancient theory called Pole Shift. But if earth's crust indeed flipped — an impossibility in geophysical and astrophysical terms — several other consequences would necessarily occur that are not observed in practice. As the crust is solid, it would take, if it flipped, the former Polar Region into the Tropics. This effect is not observed at all in the time scale of 10,000 years or so of the Atlantean events.

Furthermore, the Polar Glaciers and others such as the one of Greenland have been drilled recently, and the results of the detailed analysis they underwent show that they have been on site for the last million years, having formed without intermission along this huge space of time. Moreover, recent pallinological analyses (of plant pollen) and those of the sediments of the bottom of the seas made on a worldwide scale again show that that these regions have been on more or less their present position for hundreds of millions of years.

Rock magnetism, again, supports the above results, just as do a dozen others we could quote. No, the notion of Pole Shift is preposterously anti-scientific. The above results are no theory, but observational fact that will have to be embodied in any decent theory of the earth. So, unless you are a fanatic of some sort, forget Pole Shift and concentrate on more tenable theories of earth behavior. Scientists may not indeed know what causes the Ice Ages. But they are no fools, and well know it is not Pole Shift.


[B]12) Q: Why have so many different locations been identified with the site of Atlantis? [/B]

A: For one thing, Atlantis created a worldwide empire, and had colonies the world over. These colonies, as usual, attempted to duplicate the motherland, as colonists are wont to do. Secondly, for many reasons, the ancients hid away the true whereabouts of Atlantis, for fear that the empire, weakened, disorganized and destroyed by the cataclysm would become an easy prey of pirates, raiders and conquistadors of all sorts.


[B]13) Q: What is the difference between Atlantis and Lemuria? [/B]

A: Atlantis and Lemuria have been grossly distorted and misplaced by all sorts of investigators in what concerns both their epochs and their sizes and locations. Indeed, Atlantis and Lemuria coexisted side by side, at more or less the same date. More exactly, Lemuria was the archetypal Atlantis, the same as Eden or Paradise, the site of origin of both Mankind and Civilization. From there, the Lemurian Atlanteans colonized the nearby region of India, which became its "twin" and partner. In mythical terms, we can say that Lemuria-Indonesia was the Mother, and that Atlantis-India was the Father of all the other civilizations.


[B]14) Q: What does the name of Atlantis signify? [/B]

A: The first thing to keep in mind is that mythical terms have a number of different etymologies, and are often interpretable in different tongues, into which they were adapted when the myths were introduced locally. For instance, Atlas means, in Greek, "the one who could not (a-) withstand (tla) [the skies]." Atlas was deemed the "Pillar of Heaven", that is, its support. When Atlas became overburdened, the skies fell down, burying Atlantis. The names of Atlas and Atlantis originally came from the Sanskrit (the Holy Language of India) name of their Hell called Atala. This word means "Deprived of its Pillar" (a-tala) or, conversely "Bottomless" or, rather, "Sunken to the Bottom". Many further derivations are yet possible. Atlas is the personification of the Holy Mountain that is the support of heaven. He is the god that the Hindus equate with Shiva, also called Sthanu, an epithet meaning "Pillar of Heaven" in Sanskrit.


[B]15) Q: What is the meaning of the name of Lemuria? [/B]

A: Lemuria was originally the name given to a vast hypothetical sunken continent or a landbridge stretching across the Indian Ocean and Indonesia, all the way to the central Pacific Ocean. It was postulated by the naturalists of the past century, in order to explain the presence of the lemur (a small primate) both in Madagascar and in the Indies. But this notion has long ago been superseded in modern geology. By coincidence, the lemurs derive their name from that of the Lemurs (or "Ancestors"), for the Indonesians long knew that man descends from the apes.

Hence, the name of Lemuria can be interpreted as "Land Ancestral" or "Land of the Ancestors". Alternatively, the name can be derive from that of Mu or Mu-devi, the Hindu Mother Goddess. Mu means "Mother" in Dravida, and Mu-devi means "Mother Goddess". In other words, Mu (or Mu-devi) — also called Uma in Sanskrit — is the personification of Lemurian Atlantis itself, the Motherland of Humanity. Similarly, Shiva, her husband and counterpart, is the "Great Father" of Mankind.


[B]16) Q: You claim to have discovered the true site of Atlantis. Has anyone ever proposed an Indonesian site before? [/B]

A: This one is an extremely interesting question. Of the several thousand books that have been written on Atlantis, not a single one has ever proposed a location in its correct site, that of Indonesia. And why is that? Because they have been searching Atlantis on the wrong side of the world, mainly on ethnocentric grounds. No one ever realized that the true cradle of the Aryans was never the Caucasus Mountains or North Asia, but indeed Indonesia, the true site of Eden.

When their pristine Paradise sunk away underseas, the Aryans, like the other races of Eden, moved away, into India first, and from there to distant regions such as the British Isles (the Celts), Scandinavia (the Norse), and even the Americas (the White Civilizing Heroes such as Quetzalcoatl and Viracochan). So did the Dravidas, their darker counterparts and "twins", born in the primeval Atlantis of Indonesia.

[B]17) Q: How was Atlantis actually destroyed? [/B]

A: By means of the giant cataclysm we call the Flood. The views on the Flood — and indeed on global cataclysms in general — has been grossly misstated by geologists ever since the times of Darwin and Lyell. Cataclysms of huge proportion range up to the Big Bang, and are a central feature of Evolution itself. They have occurred by the thousands on earth in the past, and are amply attested in the geological records, along with the extinctions of Life that they caused along time.

Quite often they are caused by meteoritic/planetary impacts of extra-terrestrial origin. Far more often, they are caused by the cataclysmic endings of the Ice Age Episodes which have occurred fairly regularly at intervals of 30,000 years or so. The Flood was indeed caused by one such, and is just the last of a long series of similar cataclysms of global proportions.

As many myths describe it, the Flood was caused by a giant submarine volcanic explosion that stirred up the seas, sending them over the continents. So, the waters reached up to the summit of the loftiest mountains, killing all life in their way. The colossal volcanic explosion also covered the skies with cinders and evaporated water, so that, it indeed, "rained for 40 days and 40 nights" and the skies were dark and gloomy for a long time. The event occurred some 11,600 years ago, and caused the end of the Pleistocene or, more exactly, of its last glacial episode.


[B]18) Q: Is there any connection between the Flood and the Destruction of Atlantis[/B]?

A: Yes, indeed. Atlantis was actually destroyed by the cataclysm we call the Flood. The Flood is not just a Biblical invention or copy, but a fact that is recorded in hundreds of mythologies, the world over, with a remarkable consistence. The Flood was indeed a giant tsunami (often improperly called a "tidal wave") caused by a very major submarine earthquake. The vestiges of the Flood are visible everywhere, but particulary over the North American continent, as the geologists are starting to realize.

This tsunami and other consequences of the cataclysm caused the death, sudden or not, of some 70% of the major species of great mammals that once roved the earth. The reality of the Flood was consensually accepted by the naturalists of the past century. But Darwin and Lyell introduced the concept of Uniformitarianism (negation of cataclysms), which became the present paradigm of geological science. However, the better paleontologists and geologists are fast returning towards the ancient view, which is not only Sacred History, but Reality itself, as we found out in our researches on the matter.


[B]19) Q: What, if any, are the extant vestiges of Atlantis? [/B]

A: The paideuma (or "Soul") of Atlantis is so present in all things we do that it is as difficult to observe as the air we breath. Essentially, the whole of civilization — the things and ideas that renders Mankind something more than just ordinary beasts — derive rather directly from Atlantis. Our Religion, our Magic and Divination, our Laws and Commandments, our Holy Scriptures, our Philosophy and Metaphysics, our Mathematics and our Astronomy, our Music and our Poetry all came to us from Atlantis. Small wonder, then, that so many authors discover vestiges of Atlantis just about everywhere, mistaking the copies for the real thing.

Moreover, our Atlantean heritage also encompasses the arts and techniques such as Agriculture and Animal Domestication, the greatest inventions ever. Without the domesticated plants and animals — most or all of which originated in Atlantis, and often embody an advanced use of genetic engineering — Civilization could never have developed at all. Besides these, a series of inventions of mysterious origins, who came to us from the dawn of time, are also owed to Atlantis and Lemuria: metallurgy, stone masonry and sculpture, paper, the alphabet, medicinal drugs, gunpowder, weaving, and so on.


[B]20) Q: Is there a connection between Atlantis and the Great Pyramid? [/B]

A: Yes. The Great Pyramid — and indeed the pyramids the world over — represents the Holy Mountain, which is no other than Mt. Atlas, the Pillar of Heaven that was the central feature of Atlantis. Mount Atlas was in reality the giant volcano whose explosion destroyed Atlantis, causing the Flood and the end of the Pleistocene. In India, this Holy Mountain — which exists in most traditions — is called Mt. Meru, the Holy Mountain of Paradise.

In Judeo-Christianism, the Holy Mountain is variously allegorized as Mt. Zion, Mt. Sinai, Mt. Golgotha (or Calvary), and so on. In the Egyptian tradition, the dead god buried inside the Holy mountain represented by the Great Pyramid is Osiris, the exact counterpart of Shiva and Atlas, the gods who personify the Holy Mountain itself, as the "Pillar of Heaven". Osiris also personifies the dead multitudes of Atlantis, our ancestors killed by the terrible cataclysm that destroyed our pristine Paradise. For gods are indeed no other thing than the paideuma of nations, and die when they go, as Atlantis did. It is in his quality of living Osiris that pharaohs were sometimes buried inside pyramids.


[B]21) Q: Is there a connection between Atlantis and the Millennium? [/B]

A: To be sure, there is. The destruction of Atlantis is variously allegorized as the Death of the God that we have in almost all religious traditions: the death of Osiris, the one of Christ, that of Adonis, Attis, Kronos, Tammuz, Baal, Dionysus Zagreus, and a myriad others. In more symbolic terms, the death of Atlantis is also allegorized by the death of the Bull or, even better, by that of the Phoenix. But the death of the God is also followed by his resurrection, which is also the resurrection of the Phoenix.

Hence, just as Christ shall return, together with the Celestial Jerusalem, so will the Phoenix which also represents Atlantis as the City Celestial. And this return of the Phoenix that is really the one of Atlantis was indeed programmed long ago to occur just now, starting at the turn of this final millennium of Mankind. This is the Millennium prophesied in the Book of Revelation and in a myriad other sources. And that is why you will be seeing Atlantis being reborn in both myth and in reality, from its secret cradle in the Far Orient.


[B]22) Q: What ancient civilizations were created or influenced by Atlantis?[/B]

A: Atlantis created colonies the world over. Some of these were great, others small, and more primitive, as they received a lesser influence from the Atlanteans. The Atlanteans were the "Gods", or "Angels" or "Civilizing Heroes" whom we find in essentially all traditions. They are the Nagas of India and Indonesia, the Oannés of Sumero-Babylon, the Cabeiri and Corybants or, yet, the Heroes such as Hercules, Prometheus and Cadmus of the Greeks and Romans, and so on.

In the Americas and in Oceania, we have essentially the same traditions on Heroes or Gods such as Quetzalcoatl, Kukulkan, Viracochan, Bochica, Sumé, Kon, Tiki, and so on. Very often these civilizing heroes are Titans or Nagas, the mighty white giants from Atlantis. The term Naga ("Dragon", "Serpent") is at the origin of the myth of the Civilizing Hero who kills the Dragon and initiates the local civilization almost everywhere.

In reality, the Dragon and the Hero represent the two races of Atlantis, the Dravidas and the Aryans, one darker, the other whiter, who contend for hegemony everywhere. They are the Twins of all mythologies, the two contending serpents of the Caduceus (or of the Ouroboros and the Uraeus) which devour each other in endless wars from the primordials of mankind down to the present day. But their wars will cease at the coming of the Millennium (now!), for the return of the Golden Age means just that: "the Lamb will lay unharmed with the Lion".


[B]23) Q: Have you written any books on Atlantis? [/B]

A: I have published two books and several articles on diverse subjects connected with Atlantis. Some of my articles are in English, some in Portuguese. The books are in Portuguese, and have been published by IBRASA, who has the rights for the Portuguese language (only). They are in the final process of being translated into English. For all inquiries related to publishing, media appearances, speaking engagements, conferences, documentaries, expeditions, etc. please contact my business agent Frank Joseph Hoff at Forbidden Research Inc., E-mail: [email]fjhoff@forbiddenresearch.com[/email] or Fax# (240) 363-5963 in the USA.


[B]24) Q: Who are you, anyway?[/B]

A: I am a professional scientist with a Doctoral Degree, a graduate in Electronics Engineering, and a Professor of Nuclear Physics at the Federal University of Minas Gerais, Brazil. For over 20 years I have been studying the Occult, and particularly the problem of Atlantis. Much to my surprise - for I set out to refute such theories - I discovered that the Lost Continent indeed existed, and was in reality far more advanced than ever dreamed by anyone. If you want, you can peruse my Curriculum Vitae.






Think about how many cultures Atlantis features in. How could Atlantis not be real?

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Cool evidence erynae! :tu:
Here's another site that i found that has some cool info...
http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topics/Atlantis/
It also has a timeline of the important dates for the search of Atlantis:
Timeline
9000 BC - Cataclysm destroys Atlantis (based on Plato's writings)
1500 BC - Volcanic eruption destroys Thera and possibly brings an end to the Minoan civilization
360 BC - Plato writes Timaeus and Critias
1882 - Atlantis - The Antediluvian World by Ignatius Donnelly is released
1924 - The Problem of Atlantis by Lewis Spence is released
1960 - A. G. Galanopoulos discoveres the ruins of ancient cities on Thera
1968 - The Bimini Wall is discovered

Nothing major has happened in nearly 50 years.

[Byrum]

I don't think anyone said Atlantis was't real, or maybe some have I don't know, but I don't think it could have existed anywhere else but in the mediterreanean, otherwise writers like plato would have nothing to go on, as they didnt know where indonesia or antarctica were at the time and supposedly Atlantis was destroyed over 8000years before he knew about it. At best the theory that Atlantis was ever even there is under question, let alone the fact that it could be anywhere on earth. Besides where in the bible does it say Atlantis will be rediscovered? That made the rest of that article look fishy to me.

[Teraad]

And to make that article even more suspicious, the physics department at the Federal University of Minas Gerais doesn't list a Arysio Nunes dos Santos as working there either as a Professor or a Post Doc. So if he can't provide accurate credentials, can he really provide accurate information? Or should we even believe him?

Here's the link to the physics department (http://www.fisica.ufmg.br/) at the said university for anyone with more than a passing familiarity with spanish.

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And to make that article even more suspicious, the physics department at the Federal University of Minas Gerais doesn't list a Arysio Nunes dos Santos as working there either as a Professor or a Post Doc. So if he can't provide accurate credentials, can he really provide accurate information?
Obviously not, and it wouldn't be the first time someone claimed credentials that they didn't have. So i guess that just makes the article a bit superfluous.

[happypokadots]

just because someone doesn't have real credentials doesn't mean they're not smart. They may just claim to have them so peole will take them fmore seriously.( just makin the thread move along)

[Teraad]

But appealing to authority is a lousy argument. It's even worse when that authority has fake credentials.

I know quite a bit about astrophysics. I can make a far-fetched claim about the sun having enough mass to eventually go super nova and refer to myself as Dr. Teraad of the University of Wherever to lend credence to my argument. Does that make my claim any more true? Most sane people would say no. Whatever factual claims I make will also be dismissed because I'm already a liar.

So to summarize, making false claims about credentials is a major detriment to any argument, be it false or factual.

[squirrely_wrath]

I was reading a book about the lost city of Mu, otherwise known as Atlantis,and I was seriously beginning to think... hey. can this be real?.... unfortunately I never got a chance to finish it , and cannot remember the tilte to find it again.

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So to summarize, making false claims about credentials is a major detriment to any argument, be it false or factual.
I think the major reason is if the person lies about their credentials then they could also easily lie about what they are claiming is true. i agree that you don't HAVE to have credentials to be intelligent but if you don't have them and you want people to take you seriously, maybe it would be best to not claim that you do. that's just my opinion, though.

[mimeboy16]

I believe in Atlantis but I think it was wipped out in the Biblical flood

I don't think it was as advanced as many people believe. But I think they were probably the most advanced people of their time.

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I don't think it was as advanced as many people believe. But I think they were probably the most advanced people of their time.
It's true that a lot of the advances seem a little unbelievable for their time, so I agree with you. Maybe the story got changed after a while if the records weren't specific about exactly how advanced the technology was.

[erynae]

I don't think that it was so advanced that it had electricity or anything, but I believe tha thte advancement that people speak of was their sculptures, housing and also the use of bronze.

[ArtemisiaDax]

Mu is related to a different legend, that of the Lemurians, who were also have said to have spread knowledge far and wide (explaining how South Americans and Egyptians could both build pyramids, etc.)
I don't think Atlantis ever existed in terms of a superior civilization; I believe that it was either Minoan Crete or Thera in the Mediterranean. There are a number of similarities between Minoan civilization and "Atlantis," and the Minoans were devastated by a volcanic eruption in the Mediterranean.
Claiming false credentials casts doubts on all the claims that a person makes, given that if they're willing to lie about one thing, why not the other?

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I don't think that it was so advanced that it had electricity or anything, but I believe tha thte advancement that people speak of was their sculptures, housing and also the use of bronze.
Exactly. If the "advancements" weren't discussed it's easy to be misled on what these advancements were precisely, which may have led to the misconception of electricity etc.

Another thing which might interest some people is this site which looks at if the Bermuda Triangle may have a connection to Atlantis. It was written by Dr. Michael Preisinger, a German historian/scuba diver.

http://www.greatdreams.com/bermuda.htm

any thoughts?

[erynae]

I've always been interested with the Bermuda Triangle. What do you think is up with it? I didn't get to read all of the article; the link had become idle and my brother decided to use the phone without asking or notifying me, thus I couldn't get it again.

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Well here are some extracts to show you the basic theme of the article:

Oceans of ink have been spilt over the subject of the Bermuda Triangle, that apparent paranormal grab-bag of missing vessels (hundreds of ships and scores of planes), deviations in the magnetic field, abrupt outpourings of fog, UFO sightings far above the national average-and much, much more. A vast amount of pure speculation has accompanied these reports, the most controversial being that the Bahamas archipelago is comprised of the mountaintops and higher areas of the lost continent of Atlantis, sunk beneath these waters millennia ago.

As a practicing historian, with a doctorate in history and sociology from the German Sports University in Cologne-and therefore with a vigorous training in avoiding speculation-I certainly never expected to have anything to contribute to this controversy, which I tended to entirely dismiss.

Based on the stories I'd heard, I chose more than half-a-dozen points at which to dive: Fish Hotel, Lyford Cay, and White Hole, near Nassau; Lost Blue Hole, about an hour by boat from Nassau; Dogleg Reef, an hour by boat from Marathon, in the Florida Keys; the "Atlantis Wall," near Bimini; and Sunken Train, near Eluthera.

Many have long believed that Bimini is a remnant of Atlantis. The idea was first mooted by trance-medium Edgar Cayce, who claimed that many of the people to whom he gave readings had lived past lives on Atlantis. Using the latest technology, scientists from the British Government's Building Research Establishment have even discovered tiny amounts of coal and gold in apparently man-made stone found on the seabed at Bimini.

As a historian interested in primary rather than secondary sources, I decided to read the single text upon which all of the thousands of books on Atlantis are based: the dialogue called the Critias, by the Greek philosopher Plato.

Moreover, I decided to read the dialogue, not, as so many have, as myth or metaphor, but as historical fact. And I bypassed most of Plato"s detailed account of the splendors of this ancient kingdom, concentrating instead on its dimensions as reported by Plato: What shape did Atlantis have? How long and wide was it?

I learned something intriguing: that if you were to take the present-day Bahamas archipelago and raise the entire land-mass by 300 feet-or, to put it another way, lower the water level surrounding Bahamas by 300 feet (its level during the last Ice Age)-you would end up with a country that closely matched, in shape and size, the ancient Atlantis of Plato: The philosopher wrote in the Critias that the continent was larger than Egypt (as it was then known); that the center of the island, not far from the sea, was formed by a plain surrounded by shallow mountains to a distance of six miles; and that these mountains themselves were located in a large plain, surrounded by high mountains to a distance of 200 miles.

My conclusions regarding the so-called Bimini Wall, thought by many to be a remnant of Atlantis, were not nearly so "New Age." I believe that some of the stones making up the wall appear to be man-made, not because they came from Atlantis, but because they were left there during the American Civil War.

That's the basic gist of it, with the rest being extra details. I don't know what to make of it, because personally I've never linked Atlantis with the Bermuda Triangle, but i suppose it's possible. Hope that's helped erynae :)

[erynae]

What about the UFO links to the triangle? What do you reckon about that? Maybe we should start another thread about it

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What about the UFO links to the triangle? What do you reckon about that? Maybe we should start another thread about it
Maybe but is there a lot of info on it. I mean I've only seen this articel about it. I'll see if i can some more info on this theory and if there is a lot of speculation on it it might not be a bad idea to start a thread on it...

[erynae]

So...

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sorry..I've been on holiday for a while so i'm a bit late answering. Honestly i couldn't find anything except that UFOs were citied around the Bermuda triangle area. Not much to go on. There aren't a lot of exact evidence, just rumours from people who 'claim' to have seen them.

[kingwidgit]

Well, I'm not much for the UFO theory. Not to put down anyone who has had encounters--I frankly don't believe in them.
How about the theory that ATLANTIS is just a mis-pronunciation of ATL ANDES: several ideas and archeological digs, are trying to prove that Atlantis was, in fact, in the Andes Mountains of South America. Supposedly, a particular type of gold--a specific chemical composition, is found only in one mine in the world--in the Andes mountains. And gold, found in an Egyptian tomb, is said to have come from Atlantis--the exact chemical make-up of the gold, is that of the same gold found in only one mine in the world, in the Andes.
The archeology is sketchy at best, though, and the idea has hit a lot of resistance in the science, history, and archeology fields.
Any ideas?

[erynae]

Don't really know. I'm sure that Atlantis wasn't the only island to be destroyed by a huge disaster. I mean, look at what happened on Boxing Day.


Well, I'm not much for the UFO theory. Not to put down anyone who has had encounters--I frankly don't believe in them.


Do you mean, like, there isn't anything out there? I just believe that we couldn't possibly be the only living thing out there.

[Pbvids]

Due to the fact that in the early stages of planet earth. the whole worlds land was conneted and formed one big continet and when the earth evoled the tetonic plated moved gradualy. If you put back all the plates as they formed in Earths early stages there will be one small piece of land that is missing. which= Atlantis did infact exsist at one point in time but was lost in the later stages of earth

[slytherin39]

I think it's very possible that it did... there's not really enough evidence pointing either way to be totally sure, so you just have to have faith in what you think, I suppose!

[kingwidgit]

Do you mean, like, there isn't anything out there? I just believe that we couldn't possibly be the only living thing out there.
No, I believe in God, creation, and other worldly beings, other worlds--I like a phrase I heard a while back "The Earth is the theater of the Universe".
I simply don't believe in little green men in UFOs visiting this planet, and experimenting on humans/animals: again, no slight intended to UFO believers; though I do believe we Earthlings are not the only beings in the Universe.
I guess you could say that I'm a Christian believer--and many people believe people like me are suffering a mass delusion, in a way, because we believe in God.

[Soothsayer]

Here's an interesting article that supports the idea of Ireland being Atlantis:

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3304675

It seems to make a few valid points... the geography of the island matches that of Plato's description, the islands had the same capital city, etc.

[Byrum]

I'd like to know why as technology increases mysterious sightings and disappearances decrease. Possibly because we can now explain some things like aeroplane crashes, have better equipment to follow their movement with and better image capturing abilities? I'm pretty sure there hasn't been a sighting of the loch Ness monster since colour cameras have come around.

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Sometimes a lot of those myths are kept alive simply because of tourism. Sometimes' if people claim to a 'sighting' then owner of restaurants, hotels, and things like that might not deny it simply because it will bring in media and attention. So i guess there is always that point to consider as well, when you address the truthfulness of these myths.

[Inkwolf]

There are still plenty of sightings. You must not be looking for the news of them in the right place. Do really think sightings of Nessia and Bigfoot are froint-page news in this skeptical age? :p Having a color camera, and having it ready at the instant something unexpected appears, are two different things.

As for the decrease of sightings as technology increases: while some of it is undoubtedly for the reasons you mentioned, that more is explicable, there is also the fact that people are spending a vastly increased amount of time parked on their butts in front of a screen, and in urban areas, especially at night. I think the average person very rarely sees creatures as common as a bear these days, let alone Bigfoot.

Speaking of bears, I live in a rural area, and the whole place was buzzing a few years ago because a bear had been sighted nearby! :lol: Sad how the destruction of habitat is driving everything away.

[Teraad]

Due to the fact that in the early stages of planet earth. the whole worlds land was conneted and formed one big continet and when the earth evoled the tetonic plated moved gradualy. If you put back all the plates as they formed in Earths early stages there will be one small piece of land that is missing. which= Atlantis did infact exsist at one point in time but was lost in the later stages of earth

Not exactly true. If you were just to reverse tectonic motion and not allow for other factors, there would be many holes and areas where the continents don't fit properly. A lot of land has be subsumed by the ocean and a lot of land has risen from the ocean in 225 million years. And that's ignoring erosion factors.

So the Pangea theory doesn't prove the existance of Atlantis. The best bet for Atlantis is still Thera, most likely a Cretan colony.

[HeRmIoNe_14]

No, I don't think it did, it would have left a little clue that suggests it could have existed, maybe underwater, shouldn't it? :shrug: It's a bit weird, though, where did the legend come from.

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Where did it come from? well Plato, a Greek philosopher, gave us the first known account of Atlantis. He wrote in his dialogues about an amazing place called Atlantis, he wrote about wrote of Atlantis' architecture, engineering, and ceremonies in great detail. Many people, even Plato's own students, thought this place was Plato's own creation, but he argued that Atlantis was real, and filled with more splendors than anyone could imagine.

I guess that's where the legend first took off and speculation has been around it ever since.

[erynae]

No, I believe in God, creation, and other worldly beings, other worlds--I like a phrase I heard a while back "The Earth is the theater of the Universe".
I simply don't believe in little green men in UFOs visiting this planet, and experimenting on humans/animals: again, no slight intended to UFO believers; though I do believe we Earthlings are not the only beings in the Universe.
I guess you could say that I'm a Christian believer--and many people believe people like me are suffering a mass delusion, in a way, because we believe in God.

Fair enough. I don't believe in little green men, but I do think that there are intellegent lifeforms out there. It just isn't logic that we are the only ones in the whole entire universe. I don't think that there is anything in our Solar System though. Try another one.

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Fair enough. I don't believe in little green men, but I do think that there are intellegent lifeforms out there. It just isn't logic that we are the only ones in the whole entire universe. I don't think that there is anything in our Solar System though. Try another one.
It's sometimes really hard to say. From what we know of our solar system, I'm pretty sure that there is no other life forms, unless they've somehow managed to adapt to their harsh environments. So IMO if there really is something out there, i'd agree with you erynae and probably imagine it's probably in another solar system.

[Teraad]

It's sometimes really hard to say. From what we know of our galaxy, I'm pretty sure that there is no other life forms, unless they've somehow managed to adapt to their harsh environments. So IMO if there really is something out there, i'd agree with you erynae and probably imagine it's probably in another galaxy.

Out of curiosity, why did you make that claim?

There are plenty of G2 dwarf stars in our own galaxy, just like our sun. Harsh environments that exist in our galaxy will definitely exist in other galaxies as well. Making the gross (and most likely wrong) assumption that life requires conditions nearly identical to Earth, there are systems within our own galaxy that would match up.

While it is true that all the extra-solar planets we've discovered so far not very indicative of life, our techniques are still crude and can only detect Jupiter sized planets. As technology progresses we'll be able to discover Earth sized planets that are more likely to sustain life. All within our own galaxy.

As for my views, life most certainly does exist elsewhere in the universe. I wouldn't be surprised if life evolved elsewhere in our own solar system. Europa is a prime candidate. Intelligent life most likely evolved in many locations throughout our own galaxy. Remembering that there are hundreds of billions of stars in our galaxy alone. Drake's Equation, as horribly inaccurate as it is, does give a number of around 10 000 (+ or - 25 000) intelligent civilizations in our own galaxy.

[Tane]

Atlantis could have existed because all it would have taken is a small drop of the ocean floor at a specific point caused by an earthquake and a low lying island could find itself below sea level. Just look at what happened in Turkey along part of its coastal line the last time they had an earthquake, it subsided into the ocean. If that can happen in Turkey then it can happen at other times and on isolated islands than are close to sea level, Atlantis could have been such an incident.

[haha]

Out of curiosity, why did you make that claim?
i'm not saying that conditions would have to be the same as on Earth for other lifeforms to live. I'm merely stating that as far as we can see now it doesn't look like there is any other life in our solar system. Of course, I'm also perfectly willing to admit that I'm wrong if we do discover some since we've only really had a glancing look at some of the distant planets there may be life-forms that we are yet to discover in our own solar system.

But like i said, right now it merely seems to be a matter of opinion, and our owns clash slightly :D but that ok.

[Teraad]

Not so much clashing. In the post I quoted you mentioned galaxy when I guess you meant to say solar system. Just a little misunderstanding.

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Oh sorry...my fault. I actually meant Solar System :blush: You'll notice that I've edited it out. :)

[gryffin_hauz_88]

I believe that it had existed before but now, I doubt it. But then, they say that those who lives in Atlantis were intelligent. I'm thinking that Atlantis might not be existing anymore but the values and attitudes of the people who once lived there might still be existing.