Harry's Discovery

[MakkaMalooga]

So JKR has just come out and said:

"...The link I mentioned between books two and six does not, in fact, relate to the 'Half-Blood Prince' (because there is no trace left of the HBP storyline in 'Chamber'.) Rather, it relates to a discovery Harry made in 'Chamber' that foreshadows something that he finds out in 'Prince'."

So lets use this thread to discuss what this could be. What is the discovery Harry made in Chamber? How does it foreshadow something in HBP? What will Harry learn?

And just when I thought I'd never have to read Chamber of Secrets again...

[Danluver182]

Hm..possibly it could be something about the sword. Maybe being Gryffindor's heir? Dumbledore said "only a true gryffindor could have pulled that out of the hat" so mayb it has something to do with that. *thinks hard* I'm trying to remember what else he discovered...
*runs away to re-read CoS*

[Blackest of All]

K, I'll try.

1. The chamber itself.
2. The basilisk
3. Slytherin's statue
4. Tom Riddle and that he was heir of Slytherin.
5. That Ginny Weasley was opening the chamber.
6. Godric's sword.
7. The Phoenix.

I think that's it for now. I'll have to reread chamber again...

[green_ginevra]

she may have been referring to harry discovering that he can speak parseltounge; perhaps that's relevant to something new he'll discover in HBP. there are a number of things it could be...for example, it could be that tom riddle can exist in different forms (the diary), it could be the pulling godric's sword out of the sorting hat thing, etc...
~green_ginevra

[bubblesarah]

he needed innocence to be revived from the diary, he may have needed love, she had that for harry. he needed a pure soul so he could maybe be reborn. or he neede a store for his dark secrets. just how a like hp and volde are?

how volde wishes to finish slytherins work?

who voldemort was before he became his present self?

[Ankaa]

How about Harry's weird connection to Voldemort? I mean, not only do they look alike and speak Parseltongue, but they also share their minds in a way. Harry thought that Riddle's name sounded oddly familiar--like the name of a long-lost friend. That was so eerie. Perhaps this resurfaces in book 6?

[forgetfulgenius]

I go for the Gryffindor thing, but what about the Acromantulas? I'm sure that I heard that they'll make a reappearance...

[Kimmetje]

I hope it has something to do with the Changeling Hypothesis which I do think so. I must say that it could also have something to do with Godric Gryffindor, that would be interesting, as he was indeed in book two and could be important in book six.

How about Harry's weird connection to Voldemort? I mean, not only do they look alike and speak Parseltongue, but they also share their minds in a way. Harry thought that Riddle's name sounded oddly familiar--like the name of a long-lost friend. That was so eerie. Perhaps this resurfaces in book 6?

For the above thing I would say; read the Changeling Hypothesis (http://www.redhen-publications.com/Changeling.html)!

[Dedalus Diggle]

I think it's how rarely the elves clean the bathrooms - consider that they didn't discover the cooking polyjuice potion even though it took weeks!!! :rotfl:

[kamplified]

I think it has something to do with the Gryffindor's sword. We'll probably learn more about Godric and Salazar's feud, the significance of the name Godric's Hollow, and maybe who the heir of Gryffindor is (Harry probably).

[Aseldar]

No no, I don't think it's any of that. That's all too obvious. She said it's something so irrelevant in appearance that we wouldn't even think about it. Someone CAREFULLY analyze book 2 and jot down everything Harry discovers. LOL

[FlyingPhoenix]

There exist only a few things Harry did discover* (activ verb) in CoS this are:

Filch is a Squib, Harry can speak Parseltongue, about the Mudblood status.

JKR said Harry made this discover and not someone for him so its in my thinking important that Harry aknowledge it first which is by all three things fact. By the Gryffindor sword however was this not the case because Dumbledore did this discovering for him.

One could even say its Harry's discovering that Dobby was Malfoys servant but surrely we can assume it has something to do with the prejustice in the wizarding world. What could Harry find out? I think it might be connected to his mother since we don't really learn to know how it must have been for her to life in a world with such kind of hate and certainly Harry never asked this himself what it must have meant to her.

A side note it might even be that the Deathday Party is this kind of discovery, though.


*
1. The action of discovering; exposure to view; laying open; showing; as, the discovery of a plot.

2. A making known; revelation; disclosure; as, a bankrupt is bound to make a full discovery of his assets.

In the clear discoveries of the next [world]. --South.

3. Finding out or ascertaining something previously unknown or unrecognized; as, Harvey's discovery of the circulation of the blood.

A brilliant career of discovery and conquest. --Prescott.

We speak of the ``invention'' of printing, the discovery of America. --Trench.

4. That which is discovered; a thing found out, or for the first time ascertained or recognized; as, the properties of the magnet were an important discovery.

5. Exploration; examination. [Obs.]

[Gwenog Jones]

I think it's how rarely the elves clean the bathrooms - consider that they didn't discover the cooking polyjuice potion even though it took weeks!!! :rotfl:

:rotfl: That is a GOOD point!! haha

Ok, I really think it has to do with Godric Gryffindor, but that seems to simple. I have a feeling it will be something very trivial, something that we have never even given a second thought. JKR is like that!

[red_fairy]

I think the reference is how Harry speaks in Parseltonge. I think that that will be important somehow. That's pretty obvious though. Watch it be something so trivial that half of us missed it or forgot about it when we read chamber of secrets.

Wait, Wait, Wait!!! It's gonna deal with why/how the name Tom Riddle sounded like an old friend!!!

[Dedalus Diggle]

More seriously now, wasn't it Harry who discovered that the Malfoy's have a hidden space under their parlor floor where they keep some nasty things? (I picture it like the entrance to the dungeon under the stairs in The Addams Family :lol:) There's a multitude of things that could lead to.

[winter snow]

Okay, I'm going to go WAY out on a limb with this one. ould it be possible that the HBP is Godric Gryffindor? All this time, we've all assumed that the original Founders of Hogwarts were purebloods. What if they weren't? This might be the wrong direction to go in, but I thought with JKR, maybe this isn't too much of a stretch? Wht are your thoughts on this? Am I just reaching at straws or is this at all plausible?

[MakkaMalooga]

I think of four possible things that might happen:

1. Harry is a squib endowed with Voldemorts powers through his scar. (My own theory. I'm starting to think this is very possible)

2. The Malfoy family may not actually be pure-blooded, and Draco is the HBP, making the book's main plot be about the conflict at Hogwarts between Harry and him.

3. Harry is (Prince?) Godric Gryffindor's relative.

4. The House Elves are going to strike due to the messy bathroom.

[esmerelda]

How about Harry's weird connection to Voldemort? I mean, not only do they look alike and speak Parseltongue, but they also share their minds in a way. Harry thought that Riddle's name sounded oddly familiar--like the name of a long-lost friend. That was so eerie. Perhaps this resurfaces in book 6?

Yes, didn't he say Tom Riddle was familiar like a "chldhood friend"? Maybe he will find out something more about that. If not, then I reckon it will be something to do with Harry being a true Gryffindor (or how Dumbledore came to own Gryffindor's sword).

[SeekerLynch]

Wasn't the fact that Harry "recognised" the name of Tom Riddle already cleared up? At the end of CoS we learned more of the connection between Harry and Voldemort. When Harry saw the name of of Tom Riddle, because of the connection he shared with Tom (a.k.a. Voldemort), he somehow felt he remembered the name, even though it was Voldemort remembering the name for him, in a sense. I personally think the Discovery has either something to do with that connection or the Four Founders.
The House Elves are going to strike due to the messy bathroom.

I hope that was a joke. :p

[Nrv4evr]

My theory is that the final battle or end to the series, if you will, is basically a battle between Godric and Salazar. Perhaps in book six, we'll learn a lot more on the premise of why the heck Salazar and Godric were best friends and somehow turned into blood enemies.

I mean, a lot of the clues point towards this, as well as Harry being the heir, or rather, reincarnation of Gryffindor, and Riddle/Voldemort being the heir/reincarnation of Slytherin.

For example, the sword of GG. It speaks for itself. The similarities between Godric and Salazar, Harry and Voldemort, almost like they were close friends, albeit gained through transfer.

Another clue is that the first dispute happens a 1000 years ago. 1000 years seems like a ripe time for a reincarnation, don't you think?

Again, this is purely theory, but I'd thought I'd post it anyway. Sorry if someone else said this, or if I stole someone's thunder, but... yeah. :p

[bridg2ette]

Ok I was thinking...I know the discovery that Harry makes is supposedly something very trivial. But that discovery would be in the 2nd movie as well right? They have to follow the same story line as the 2nd book in order to make the 6th movie make sense, but they also have to cut out a ton in order to make it a proper movie length. So whatever Harry's discovery is, it'll have to be in the movie...and it might actually be easier to find it in the movie, since the filmmakers have to be very choosy about what to add to the movie. Just a random thought though...
Man someone should really go take some awesome notes on the book and film and get back to us on any possible theories, lol. You know how J.K. loves to throw in those one-sentence clues that seem to be nothing, but end up being the key to everything.

[Aseldar]

About Lucius having stuff hidden in his mansion--I quite agree. I was reading CoS for the 10th time or so recently and I noticed that--wondered about it.

[fawksrox8908]

i think we'll see harry speak parseltongue again. (i hope) we already know that the whole half blood pure blood thing will be important. that's a given considering the title of the book. and of course tom riddle being voldemorts past has always been important. what else did harry discover in the 2nd book?
I think that Godric Gryffindor and Slytherin will be important also. or at least a little important

[Tane]

Anyway, I think the connection between book 2 and 6 probably has something to do with the statue of Salazar or the serpents all aligned along the corridor leading up to the statue. I would say the serpents because there is something strange about them and Harry got the feeling that they where watching him somehow.

It really can only be the statues as all the other things where not found in the chamber but materialized in there from some where else. Harry never found the sword in the chamber as it came from the hat. Harry has already discovered the sorting hat in PS and the Riddle Diary, plus the Phoenix where things that he had come across in CoS earlier on in the books.

To me that leaves the Basilisk and the statues in the chamber.

[nextsuperhero]

I think it's harry being connected to voldermort. he finds out many similarities between themselves, half blood (kind of on harry's part), Parlsetoung, and they even look similar. In book six the're probablly going to be more connected. Occulmency isn't working for Harry. (yet.)

[Tane]

I think it's harry being connected to voldermort. he finds out many similarities between themselves, half blood (kind of on harry's part), Parlsetoung, and they even look similar. In book six the're probablly going to be more connected. Occulmency isn't working for Harry. (yet.)

That is a good point and JKR stated that Voldemort was to become more powerful than he was when he first reined in power. I just wonder whether this increase in power will be restricted to Voldemort.

If the dark lord was to make himself more powerful using magic would this also increase Harry’s magical strength through there connection or link?

[fabulouskirsten]

But the thing is that Harry made the discovery that he could talk to snakes in Philosophers' Stone, no? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was Stone. Thus, he made the discovery then, it was just given a name in Chamber of Secrets.

[HP4dummies]

At first, I thought it would be about Harry being a real Gryffindor, but I hope it has something to do with the hiding space at the Malfoy's.

[mozinha]

Hope it doens't have anything to do with the Changeling Hypothesis because I don't like this theory at all.
I think it does have something to do with Gryffindor. Maybe he wasn't pure blood.

[Dedalus Diggle]

Ok I was thinking...I know the discovery that Harry makes is supposedly something very trivial. But that discovery would be in the 2nd movie as well right? They have to follow the same story line as the 2nd book in order to make the 6th movie make sense, but they also have to cut out a ton in order to make it a proper movie length. So whatever Harry's discovery is, it'll have to be in the movie...and it might actually be easier to find it in the movie, since the filmmakers have to be very choosy about what to add to the movie. Just a random thought though...
Man someone should really go take some awesome notes on the book and film and get back to us on any possible theories, lol. You know how J.K. loves to throw in those one-sentence clues that seem to be nothing, but end up being the key to everything.
Actually there is a thread that specifically addresses using the movies to determine what are such critical developments in the stories that JKR made them keep it. I've forgotten the name, but there was a lot of good stuff posted there last summer and fall.

[Scarlet Tears]

Originally posted by Fabulouskirsten
But the thing is that Harry made the discovery that he could talk to snakes in Philosophers' Stone, no? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was Stone. Thus, he made the discovery then, it was just given a name in Chamber of Secrets.

It's true that Harry discovered that he could communicate with snakes in the Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone when he talked to the snake at the zoo. However, Harry didn't know that his ability to speak Parseltongue was so significant until the Chamber of Secrets. On page 196 (US version) he says, "I bet loads of people here can do it," implying that he thought it was a common ability among wizards. Then Ron and Hermione go on to explain that it is actually a very rare gift, and that Salazar Slytherin was famous for being able to talk to snakes. So while the argument can go either way, I am convinced that the important part of the discovery was made in the Chamber of Secrets.

Originally posted by Dedalus Diggle
More seriously now, wasn't it Harry who discovered that the Malfoy's have a hidden space under their parlor floor where they keep some nasty things? (I picture it like the entrance to the dungeon under the stairs in The Addams Family ) There's a multitude of things that could lead to.

[Crazy Theory] What if the loose floorboard under Harry's bed is the entrance to a secret passageway that leads to the Malfoy Manor, and the exit is under the parlor floor?[/Crazy Theory]

[herekitty]

I think it has to do with Harry discovering why Hagrid was expelled. I also agree with the whole unclean bathrooms thing.

[Stayce]

I think so far nextsuperhero has a good point. The connection between Voldemort and Harry is very important and it is in all the books as she mention as well. It was the major point leading out of OotP and has to be key to the end fight especially since they told Harry Occlumency and Legimency?? (sorry about spelling) are still very important even after the MOM fight.

[Memnoch]

Okay, I'm going to go WAY out on a limb with this one. ould it be possible that the HBP is Godric Gryffindor? All this time, we've all assumed that the original Founders of Hogwarts were purebloods. What if they weren't? This might be the wrong direction to go in, but I thought with JKR, maybe this isn't too much of a stretch? Wht are your thoughts on this? Am I just reaching at straws or is this at all plausible?

Actually I thought that The Half-blood prince may have been Gryffindor, as well, though I never assumed they were all pureboods. It may explain the rivalry between The Slytherin house, which may have exsisted for 1000 years and nobody can remember how it started, but it still goes on. Godric and Salazar had a disagreement about students heritage, the students and teachers took respective sides, and became adversarys. The old argument is not looked on as the cause of the rivalry, but no one thinks that it is that serious, and this is how it all happened. I think the OOTP sorting hat song may have some clues as well.

[dancer4life728]

There are several things that Harry discovered/learned about in CoS. Okay first off let me say that Harry didn't discover that he could speak Parseltongue in the 2nd book. He spoke to snakes in the first book (the python at the zoo) in the 2nd book we merely learn that the ability to speak to snakes is called parseltongue. Now, a discovery connected to parseltongue would be that Harry discovered that

1. Salazar Slytherin was famous for it and that Voldemort could also do it.
Other discoveries:
2. He learned about the existance of house-elves.
3. He discovered Knockturn Alley.
4. He discovered that the Malfoys had a lot of Dark Arts stuff in their home (he later finds out that they keep it in a secret chamber under their drawing room floor).
5. He learns about the Whoping Willow (not as much as he learns about it in PoA but he's introduced to it in CoS).
6. He learns about the Mandrakes.
7. He learns all that stuff about pure-blood mania.
8. He discovers that Filch is a squib.
9. He goes to the Death day party. (not really a discovery but its something interesting that happens)
10. He learns about the existance of Polyjuicce Potion.
11. He discovers that Hagrid is innocent.
12. He discovers that Voldemort is also called Tom Riddle.
13. He discovers that Voldemort is the heir of Slytherin.
14. He discovers that Aragog is not that monster. (besides he also discovers that a herd of giant spiders live in the forest).
15. He discovers the properties of a pheonix. (healing tears, carry heavy loads, etc.)
16. He discovers the entrance to the CoS.
17. He also discovers that Lockhart is a liar and that he didn't really do anything.
18. He got the sword out of the hat, and then DD tells him that only a true Gryffindor would have gotten that out...blah,blah,blah.
19. He discovers that Dobby is the Malfoy's servant and that Lucius is the one that gave Ginny the diary.

That is all that I could think of. :p My theory is that the discovery that JK is reffering to is that Voldmort was the heir of Slytherin. Not so much because of Voldemort but because it means that all the founders have heirs then. Which is leads me to think that Gryffindor is the HBP (but that 's something to be discussed in another thread). Out of the one I mentioned I think that the most relevant are 3, 15, and 18. I believe that Knockturn Alley will be revisited, it would be pointless for JK just to use for that short scene in CoS, and being a place so full of Dark Arts I think it has some significance. Pheonixes are very important to the story, hence the Order of the Pheonix. So I think that Fawkes will become more important as the stor y develops. And finally the fact that Harry removed Godric's Sword form the Sorting Hat is very important, however we still don't know why or just how important or significant it is.

[michaela]

I reckon that the thing in the Chamber which Harry discovered was Godrics Sword. This showed him he was a true Gryffindor, and did make the right choice, even though he would of done well in Slytherin. I thought that this could be connected to the Halfblood Prince because the Halfblood prince wasn't at first a true Gryffindor, or was unsure if the person was meant to be in Gryffindor, but turns out they were. This immediately made me think about Neville. Not only did Neville think he might of been a squib, but he didn't seem to such much Gryffindor characteristics, like being brave. But, then Neville did show that he was a true Gryffindor, in Philosopher Stone, he was brave enough to stand up to his friends, and in Order of the Phoenix, he certainly showed how great, loyal, and noble he is, battling the Death Eaters. I don't know if this is much of a theory, or if I even believe it, but thsi was the first thing I thought of when I read what J.K Rowling had to say.

[nipsu]

i bet that jk is just laughin at uss if she´s reaeding what we are thinking. it´s propably something so small that we don´t even recognice it. but it would be funny to find out that harry would be godrics hair. what i don´t belive it is is for example the parselthoung descovery because it has allready had an important roll in the books. harry couldnt have gotten to the chaimber without being a parsel-mouth.
i think it´s gonna be something that hi´s discovered but h aven´t used or has the full knowlige off YET

[Kelfa21]

I was going to ask if there was a list floating around this thread of everything Harry "discovered" in the second book...I was actually racking my brain today about these things...after I read what on JK's website...

but...thanks dancer4life728...awesome list...

I love the knockturn alley idea...but I'm not sure how it would tie into the HBP theories...especially since Tom Riddle has been elimiated...*grumbles*

As of now...I'm a fan of Godric Gryffindor as the HBP...and the discovery being the sword harry pulls out of the sorting hat

[sasha bear]

maybe its something he found in borgin and burkes? like the hand of glory or something? it was just barely mentioned but then again so was Sirius and look at his huge part.

[stupiddeer]

i think the discovery is that voldemort transfered some power to harry, that will be important because now only harry can kill voldemort.

[Izzieq]

No no, I don't think it's any of that. That's all too obvious. She said it's something so irrelevant in appearance that we wouldn't even think about it. Someone CAREFULLY analyze book 2 and jot down everything Harry discovers. LOL


At some point, isn't there a part after the snake incident at the dueling club that he finds out that Justin is muggle born or half blood or something like that? Sorry, I haven't read book two in a while.

[stupiddeer]

harry discovers penelope and percy are going out, so maybe penelope will convince percy to join voldemort and then harry will kill him an discover after that it was percy

[Nrv4evr]

No no, I don't think it's any of that. That's all too obvious. She said it's something so irrelevant in appearance that we wouldn't even think about it. Someone CAREFULLY analyze book 2 and jot down everything Harry discovers. LOL

I have read nowhere on her site that assumes what you are saying, although you're probably right. JKR has as flair for small details, but she has revealed that the only thing connecting CoS to book six is the foreshadowing of something Harry noticed. I'm guessing it's the sword of Gryffindor, which I guess is a link to how he will kill Voldemort.

[WishfulAnimagus]

In Chamber he discovers that Voldemort transferred some of his power to him. Maybe this foreshadows a way that Harry can kill him since he can't use a wand against him

Its also worth noting that Rowling stated that Prince might be described as a strand in the overall plot. She also said it didn't fit into Chamber and wasn't part of the story of the basilisk and Riddle's diary. Does this mean the discovery is not any part of the main plot of Chamber?

[SiriusPoirier]

I was under the impression that it was going to be something farily small and irrelevant that could have easily been cut out of the movie by the writers, however JK asked for it to be included because it would be important in Book 6.
This said, i think that it is probably something to miniscule for us to recognize as being important, and that we simply might be overlooking it, however i have yet to figure out what this could be. lol
This certainly doesnt rule out all the other great theroies that people have been thinking up! :cool:

[voftheworld]

If we look at seemingly insignificant things then we will find tons of things. Just go over it in your head....
We start with Dobby... Then Dobby uses magic but the ministry only doesn't know it was Dobby...Then uses the Floo powder for the first time...Hears for the first time about apperation... Lands in the Whomping Willow... I could go on and on.
The only thing that we can be sure of is that it will be the unexpected.

[vitacus]

First when he was an infant, Harry got some of Voldemorts power. He discovers among which he can speak parseltongue. *sp?* Then in GoF Voldemort got some of Harry through that blood ritual ressurection. They are blending to be more similar to each other. Dumbledore could be pleased about this because Harry is a good person. Could some of Harry's goodness rub off on Voldemort just as perhaps some of Voldemorts temper rubbed off on Harry? Or perhaps weaknesses? Voldemort got Harry into the MoM because he knew how Harry would react. Now with the blending could Voldemort become more predictable to Harry? Ah, so much speculation.

[JoWilson]

What about the discovery in the shop on knockturn alley that Mr. Malfoy has a lot of poisons at his manor (pg 51, US scholastic paperback)? Where did Mr. Malfoy get them? Maybe he brewed them himself and he is also a skilled potion maker. What about the Hand of Glory? Wormtail's hand becomes important in GoF and the replacement Voldemort provides him may yet play a role.

Also Harry discovers that he is a true Gryffindor in CoS. Maybe it is that obvious.

[SilverStar]

I have two ideas:

1. Voldemort transferred some of his power to Harry
2. (which is part of one) He can speak Parseltongue

But I could be totally wrong, like JoWilson says. (By the way, that's my last name too, Wilson).

[nextsuperhero]

there's really so many things it could be, and we're not going to realise the clues in book 2 until after we read book 6. But I think it will be because they are similar

[mrs_lupin]

Someone mentioned that mayby the CoS film included this "discovery" if it was going to end up being crucial later on.

This is interesting, as JKR has made several requests concerning what should be in the films (i.e. James not being shown during the flashback in PS/SS).

Does anyone remember JKR requesting a certain scene to be included in CoS?

Mind you, she could have told Steve Kloves in private and we wouldn't know...

[SiriusPoirier]

there's really so many things it could be, and we're not going to realise the clues in book 2 until after we read book 6. But I think it will be because they are similar

I agree! i think that it could be so many things we are just going to have to wait and see.
And when we do find out we will probably all be hitting our heads for not realizing it in the first place! lol

[burningphoenix]

Also Harry discovers that he is a true Gryffindor in CoS. Maybe it is that obvious.


Yeah, it really could be that obvious. Perhaps being conisdered a "True Gryffindor" (not the heir or anything, mind you) will have something to do with inter-house unity or something like that...

You'd think too, that Malfoy was a true Slytherin :lol:

[Northcott]

My hunch: that it has to do with his discovery that Voldemort is a half-blood... the very thing that he despises most, and set his Death Eaters to destroy. No matter how many transformations Voldemort has forced upon himself, no matter how many changes he has instigated, it does not change his origins.

We've seen what kind of venom that can raise in his followers when Harry used the information at the end of OotP. With the themes of love and hate in play, I'm willing to bet that Voldemort's self-hatred will become quite important indeed.

[x_shannon_x]

Hm..possibly it could be something about the sword. Maybe being Gryffindor's heir? Dumbledore said "only a true gryffindor could have pulled that out of the hat" so mayb it has something to do with that. *thinks hard* I'm trying to remember what else he discovered...
*runs away to re-read CoS*

I agree with Danluver182. Harry being the heir of Gryffindor has been my guess since GoF. Wouldn't it be cool if I was right? (sorry getting self-centered, I'll stop) But it makes sense. Voldemort (heir of Slytherin) was destined to battle the Heir of Gryffindor. That's why he only needed to kill James and Harry, he only killed Lily because she got in the way. Ponder that :eyebrows: lol

[latiem]

So many possibilities.

But I have an answer about the elves (yes I know it was a joke) but I think that they felt that there was no point in cleaning the bathroom because Moaning Myrtle would just mess it up again and we see in OotP that the elves refuse to clean Gryffindor tower because of an insult to their respectable work.(hermione and clothes for the elves)

Now for the other stuff I think one important discovery of Harry's is that about Hagrid being expelled from Hogwarts because Professor Dippet and the Ministry thought Hagrid was responsible thanks to Tom about the CoS. Also Hagrid has said that he might not have been a wizard because he was half giant (GoF). Also Hagrid knew the Potter's and brought Harry to his aunt's house, he met Sirius at Godric Hollow to take Harry away, and that regular spells don't work on him because of his giant blood.

Usually what Harry fails to notice is right under his face, example the dragon egg in SS/PS that Hagrid aquired from a stranger in the Pub, In CoS it took him awhile to realize that Hermione had a note in her hand telling him the answers he needed, in PoA he didn't realize the Trelawny's prediction was significant until after the events took place, In GoF he didn't realize the book he needed for the 2nd task was right under Neville's nose, and in Order he never paid attention to the mirror Sirius gave him.

So what ever Harry discovered has already been shown to us, but like alot of you has said it is so small and insignificant that we won't know it until the sixth book.
As for who the Half blood prince is I don't know but I have my suspicions, I really think that it is not Dean Thomas because Jk has scrapped his whole backstory and i don't think she will put it in because it has nothing to do with any of the other books.

[Patronum]

Hey Everybody! This is my first post here, so please bear with me! I've read over this thread, and after reading the updates on JKR's site today, I had this to add:

Ok, so we all learned that Riddle definitely is not the HBP. We know this because JKR said he IS Voldemort and she has made it clear that Voldemort is not the HBP. Something is bothering me about this, and it is that JKR considers them to be the same person. If all the Dark Lord is, is a twisted man with great magical power, why is he such a threat? What seperates him from other evil people or other powerful people? I was always under the impression that Voldemort was something more then just Tom, that when Tom became Voldemort, he somehow became "one with Evil". This is why I never considered Voldmort to truly be Tom. Add in to that all his magical transformations and rebirth, how could the Dark Lord really be just Tom Riddle? Surely Voldemort has "Dark" in him that no one, not even Tom Riddle had?

Any thoughts?

[burningphoenix]

But it makes sense. Voldemort (heir of Slytherin) was destined to battle the Heir of Gryffindor. That's why he only needed to kill James and Harry, he only killed Lily because she got in the way. Ponder that lol

Well, I agree. I think it's highly possible that Harry is the heir to Gryffindor. But as for the battling dealy, I think it also depends on what the founders orginally fought over. You would think, if Gryffindor and Slytherin were fighting over the matter of blood and admittance into Hogwarts, (and then if Harry and Voldemort were both heirs and destined to fight each other, as you say, x_shannon_x) that the matter would be over blood?

I guess I had always though the Voldemort/Harry battle was all about the prophecy, now that we know about that. But maybe blood is really behind all of this. Is blood the reason that the whole war started in the first place?

I want to know exactly what caused the founders to split up, why it lead Slytherin to build the Chamber of Secrets, therefore leaving it to Voldemort.

And don't you find it interesting that Voldemort is Half-Blood, and is Slytherin's heir? Perhaps it was not Gryffindor who was half-blood but Slytherin?

Hope I made sense :)

[mrs_lupin]

There are so many theories that lend themselves to Harry being Gryffindors Heir. I've believed this for a long time.
* When Harry first hold his wand it sends off gold and red coloured sparks (Gryffindor colours).
* The Potters were living in Godric's Hollow - was this an attempt at protecting themselves.
* Voldemort told Lily she didn't have to die. The Gryffindor bloodline may have run through the Potters.
* As far as we know, all of the Potters are dead. Did Voldemort manage to rid them all during the first war?
* During PoA in the Shrieking Shack, Sirius refers to Voldemort looking for the "Potters" and anting to kill the "Potters" - not just Harry.

Lots more theories too... but I won't twattle on as it doesn't really relate to this thread.

I reckon someone made a good point before about Harry's "discovery" being that Voldemort is a half-blood. Particular attention is drawn to his dispise of his heritage and the fact that he tries to hide it. Remember in the Hall of Prophecy when Harry mentions it to the Death Eaters? They didn't know about it. Voldemort seems to be trying to hide it from them.

[flipfloputz]

If Harry was the Heir to Gryffindor, then why did the Sorting Har even CONSIDER putting him into Slytherin. Harry should have been put into Gryffindor just as fast as Draco was put into Slytherin if he were the Heir.

[SeekerLynch]

Because, as Dumbledore said, it is our choices that make us who we are. The Hat knows this, and that's why, if Harry is the Heir of Gryffindor,it didn't just through him in. It doesn't place much importance on blood or natural abilities, except thost that effect one's personality.

[burningphoenix]

If Harry was the Heir to Gryffindor, then why did the Sorting Har even CONSIDER putting him into Slytherin. Harry should have been put into Gryffindor just as fast as Draco was put into Slytherin if he were the Heir.

My theory is the hat saw the little bit of power that Voldemort transferred to Harry, therefore, making it think perhaps his home was Slytherin. But in the end, it saw the REAL Harry, and how he belonged in Gryffindor. I think this would fit with the being a true Gryffindor as well, but he still has that little bit of Voldemort's powers - or Slytherin's depending on how you look at it!

[IceKat55]

But the thing is that Harry made the discovery that he could talk to snakes in Philosophers' Stone, no? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was Stone. Thus, he made the discovery then, it was just given a name in Chamber of Secrets.
But the fact that he got that power from Voldemort himself wasn't revealed until CoS...I think that's probably what Rowling was referring to. The fact that Harry & Voldemort are linked, more than even Harry yet realizes. Parseltongue, the fact that Voldemort used Harry's own blood for his re-birth, the mind-link, both half-bloods, etc...

[mrs_lupin]

Mayby the connection between Harry and Voldemort (because of the Avada Kedavra curse) confused the Sorting Hat. We know a lot of Voldemort passed to Harry through that spell and that there are similarities between the two of them because of it.
The Sorting Hat saw Harry's possibilities as a Gryffindor, but was clouded by Voldemort's evilness and his Slytherin heritage.

[Aseldar]

Another thought: In the chamber, Salazar Slytherins head was carved into it. That's a small detail that need not have been included.

[burningphoenix]

Mayby the connection between Harry and Voldemort (because of the Avada Kedavra curse) confused the Sorting Hat. We know a lot of Voldemort passed to Harry through that spell and that there are similarities between the two of them because of it.
The Sorting Hat saw Harry's possibilities as a Gryffindor, but was clouded by Voldemort's evilness and his Slytherin heritage.

That's exactly what I was saying :)
I think this is entirely possible. And then it also has to do with the choice that Harry made. He would rather be his true self - his Gryffindor self, rather than use the evil power that was given to him (I guess it's kind of evil, isn't it? :lol:)

Think about that too, the evil side. When the hat was telling him that Slytherin would be good for him, he thought "Not Slytherin". Why? Because he had heard that "There wasn't a witch or wizard who went bad who was in Slytherin". Harry didn't want to be bad, or evil, so he made that choice right there, as an 11-year-old :)

[Nagini04]

The discovery that Harry made in the Chamber was that he really is a true Gryffindor. He discovered this because he was able to pull out Godric Gryffindor's sword from the Sorting Hat. I think that this foreshadows that Harry is in fact the Heir of Gryffindor. Furthermore, I think that Godric is the Half Blood Prince, the Potter's only lived in Godric's Hollow! I'm not sure whether this is the right place to be discussing this, but I can't find anywhere else! So my theory is that Harry is the heir of Gryffindor, that Godric Gryffindor is the Half Blood Prince, and that he was related to James, which is why James had so much money as an inheritance.

[JimmyPotter]

Another discovery that Harry made in COS is that Hagrid was innocent of causing the death of Moaning Myrtle. Hagrid was seemingly duped by Tom Riddle. Maybe Hagrid is the Half Blood Prince ( wizard father, giantess mother) and he has a confrontation with his old "friend" Voldemort.

[AvatarofTime]

Ok, so we all learned that Riddle definitely is not the HBP. We know this because JKR said he IS Voldemort and she has made it clear that Voldemort is not the HBP. Something is bothering me about this, and it is that JKR considers them to be the same person. If all the Dark Lord is, is a twisted man with great magical power, why is he such a threat? What seperates him from other evil people or other powerful people? I was always under the impression that Voldemort was something more then just Tom, that when Tom became Voldemort, he somehow became "one with Evil". This is why I never considered Voldmort to truly be Tom. Add in to that all his magical transformations and rebirth, how could the Dark Lord really be just Tom Riddle? Surely Voldemort has "Dark" in him that no one, not even Tom Riddle had?

Any thoughts?

I keep finding that, because we don't know enough of Tom Riddle's childhood to truly understand him, many people are viewing him as a seperate entity from Voldemort. However, Voldemort can be no one BUT Tom. The transformations, or "upgrades", that he subjected himself to don't make him a seperate being from Tom. It would be similar to insisting that adults are completely seperate human beings, as compared to when they were children. The fact of the matter is, we may have grown, but the differences between our childhood bodies and adult bodies do NOT constitute that we are new people.

Indeed, Tom made the conscious decision to execute whatever alterations he made to his body, in an attempt to be rid of supposed weaknesses he thought he would have as a mere mortal. He only named himself Voldemort (as stated in Chamber) in an attempt to distance himself from the side of himself that he despised, which would be his half-blood heritage. If Tom weren't an evil individual to begin with, he would not have had the inclination to change himself, and follow through with muggle murders. As far as making the idea of evil into an entity, you have to remember that humans do evil things. If there were no people around, there would be no evil, because there would be no one to do evil things to begin with. So, to say that Voldemort has become the entity Evil, wouldn't make any sense. He has merely made the decision to act in a negative and detrimental fashion. The "rebirth" from Goblet (if that's what you're referring to) is both actual and metaphorical, in the sense that Tom's conscious spirit was in need of a body, as well as a return to power.

Furthermore, for Tom and Voldemort to actually be seperate entities, Tom would have had to make an exact duplicate of himself, with all his memories (because Voldemort's hatred is stemmed from his childhood experiences), name that duplicate Voldemort, walk him through the process of changing his body to accomodate his newly learned abilities, then he (Tom) would have had to kill himself, so that only Voldemort would remain.

As this is not the case (and, no, there is no canon evidence of this, theorize all you like), and Jo herself has insisted that Tom IS Voldemort, I think it simply dwindles down to people clinging to straws in an attempt to justify their theories that Tom and his alias, Voldemort, are different people. As I stated earlier, it would be like saying the childhood versions of present-day adults are different people. Well, where are the corpses if they're in fact different? Another example would be Remus Lupin. His body transforms into that of a werewolf. Remus may not be conscious of his actions as a werewolf, but the werewolf is STILL Remus, just in a different, and albeit vicious, form. There's no two ways about it.

By the way, I realize that some of this may sound snooty, but it's not my intention to belittle anyone, or disregard his or her theories. I'm just trying to make a point.

[hobgadling]

Let me post a countertheory to the Gryffindor as HBP. What if the book was more Dumbledore-centric. In the CoS Harry gets the sorting hat from Fawks due to his loyalty to Dumbledore. We know Dumbledore was a Gryffindor, could he be the HBP, maybe even heir to Gryffindor? Also we know Rowling plans to change the MoM in book six. Could Dumbledore take over for Fudge? It would make sense to me because it would remove Dumbledore from a position where he can defend Harry, which is probably needed to raise the stakes a little, and it would allow Rowling to do so without killing off one of her favorite characters. In this case the discovery could be any one of the discoveries Harry made about Dumbledore/MoM, and since i don't have the book here, I unfortunately can't reference. Does that seem valid?

[FreckledApples]

im thinking the thing harry discovered is knockturn alley. i dont have any idea what it could mean or do to the plot but it really makes sense that its that! think about... it could have easily been cut in the movies and maybe even in the book. it had no direct effect on the main story line of CoS, jsut like JKR said hbp had nothing to do with the main plot of CoS!

[bethp]

Well, i think honestly the biggest surprise we find in CoS is that Voldemort is a half-blood and the whole "pure-blood" mania of the DEs....I mean if JKR says the HBP starts off where book 5 left off then one crucial thing happened...Harry outed Voldermort to the DEs. My guess is that will we see something happening with this.

[Priori Incantatem]

i really want to know annd a lot of htese theories are good, but like what everyone else said, its not going to be something obvious...lok 4 oposite obvious then use reverse psych on yourself.....
by the way~does anyone know if JKR ever changed that line in CoS about Voldemort being the last ancestor not descendant...i mean they revised priori...just wondering

he also found out about the hand of glory...

[KryptonKitty]

I just read the Changeling Hypothesis and I must say I understood very little of it (english is not my first language, and the theory is also really complicated...) but it gave me some ideas about what the discovery could be.

Most of what I got from it was that LV, as we know him now, is acctually only formed by his memories and self-awareness (he doesn't acctually have a soul, as bitter and evil as it could be :p ).

So, since he's new-self is mostly formed by memories and the knowledge of who he was before his "death", why don't they just erase him?

It was in CoS that we first heard about the Obliviate spell - when Lockhart's attempt to erase Harry and Ron memories of the truth about him backfired. And since then we have only heard more and more about it. JK even showed us how deep its consequences could be when she brought Lockhart back into the story in OotP.

I know I'm probably royaly wrong about this, and everytime I post something in a thread like this I completely contradict myself, but I can't help it! Since the title of book six was released I have been creating thousands of theories about what's going to happen in it and the clues JK has been giving us just give me more to speculate about... :rotfl: So please if you think I'm too far away from something even possible just ignore me, ok?

But let's face it, the whole obliviate thing is kind of cool, isn't it? Imagine someone trying to obliviate Voldemort and then he just goes *puff* and desapears. :D

[Quadrophenic]

Well, i think honestly the biggest surprise we find in CoS is that Voldemort is a half-blood and the whole "pure-blood" mania of the DEs....I mean if JKR says the HBP starts off where book 5 left off then one crucial thing happened...Harry outed Voldermort to the DEs. My guess is that will we see something happening with this.

But didn't both Lucius Malfoy and Barty Crouch know about Voldemort's little family history? He wasn't really "outed"....

I personally think it's the choices are what makes us who we are, but that's really too vague to guess what it can mean to HBP; it can be about any character involving any choice...

[TheThyphon]

I belive JK was talking about the ability to communicate with snakes, who knows maybe Harry will learn something important from Voldemort's pet! (I know it a silly idea but it makes sense :blush: )

[WhoAmI]

OK, how about this one -crazy theory warning!-
Harry discovered the entrance to the Chamber of Secrets in book 2, maybe in book 6 he'll find out why it's in the girls' bathroom! I mean, did they even have indoor plumbing 1000 years ago?

[tantrix]

i agree with that.. but consider this.. harry was the heir of gryffindor. Then Voldemart 'marked' harry.. exchanging powers in the process. so harry became the heir of gryffindor+sytherin, therefore being able to open the chamber. does that make sense?

[fabulouskirsten]

Wasn't it confirmed by JK that Harry definitely wasn't the heir of Slytherin because he's not Voldemort's child? (Shudder, not a nice thought that one!). I bet it'll be something completely cut-and-dry so that there's not all this explanitory stuff, it'll just be BAM and Harry will understand right away when he sees the full picture. I do like the Hand of Glory idea actually, that thing intriugued me.

[ComicBookWorm]

JKR said Harry made this discover and not someone for him so its in my thinking important that Harry aknowledge it first which is by all three things fact. By the Gryffindor sword however was this not the case because Dumbledore did this discovering for him.
3. Finding out or ascertaining something previously unknown or unrecognized; as, Harvey's discovery of the circulation of the blood.

Learning about the sword is finding out or ascertaining something previously unknown or unrecognized. It can't be excluded because Dumbledore told Harry which sword it was.

If Harry was the Heir to Gryffindor, then why did the Sorting Har even CONSIDER putting him into Slytherin. Harry should have been put into Gryffindor just as fast as Draco was put into Slytherin if he were the Heir.

The hat only mentioned Slytherin after Harry thought "not Slytherin". We don't know what it would have done if he hadn't said that. Also Draco might have been thinking "Slytherin Slytherin". Also, Harry does have some powers transferred to him via Voldemort.

I hope it has something to do with the Changeling Hypothesis which I do think so. I must say that it could also have something to do with Godric Gryffindor, that would be interesting, as he was indeed in book two and could be important in book six.

For the above thing I would say; read the Changeling Hypothesis (http://www.redhen-publications.com/Changeling.html)!
Harry looks just like his father. He has his mother's eyes. These are unmistakable traits that people point out over and over. When Harry saw his father in Snape's Pensieve he said he looked just like him.

The Changeling Hypothesis does not hold up to any examination.

[nobbygoodguy]

Someone mentioned that mayby the CoS film included this "discovery" if it was going to end up being crucial later on.

This is interesting, as JKR has made several requests concerning what should be in the films (i.e. James not being shown during the flashback in PS/SS).

Does anyone remember JKR requesting a certain scene to be included in CoS?

Mind you, she could have told Steve Kloves in private and we wouldn't know...

On the first DVD there is an interview with her and Kloves where she mentions that she requested certain things to be included in the 2nd film as they were important for book six. She didn't mention what though. Should rewatch that interview to double-check. And then rewatch the film. Again. Even the deleted scenes if necessary.

[Blondie20]

Hi this is my first post so please bear with me.

After reading the thread I was pondering what else Harry discovered in CoS and I came up with these:

He learned of the existence of House Elves and their ties to their wizard families

He learned that Mundungus Fletcher tried to hex Mr Weasley during a raid

He gained first hand experience of Knockturn Alley and Borgin and Burkes. (Mr Borgin's description ''greasy hair'' etc, put me in mind of Snape) Also the Hand of Glory, the Malfoy's secret room/poisons and the pure blood mania.

Also, Percy is acting suspiciously all summer (I don't believe this is all down to having a new girlfriend!) He is also reading a book called 'Prefects who Gained Power' - quite disturbing!
On that note, has anyone really noticed how similar Percy is to Voldemort? at school at least? Both Prefects, both ambitious (note his abandonment of his family as soon as they threatened his success at the MoM - OOTP)

Also as an extra thought I decided to chuck in.... It is clear that Malfoy is jealous of Harry, even though he has everything he wants and is a pure-blood. Could it be that those who appear to have everything are the most insecure? A man who chases fairytales may miss his own happy ending!

Sorry far rambling on. Hope that made sense. :blush:

[pegoheart144]

I go for the Gryffindor thing, but what about the Acromantulas? I'm sure that I heard that they'll make a reappearance...
Well, one of them was in the maze during the third task in Goblet of Fire but I don't know if that counts.

[bethp]

I am actually re-reading Chamber at the moment, and one thing struck me as funny last night - its during the first Herbology lesson when Professor Sprout is introducing them to Mandrake...I don't have my book with me, but it says that Mandrake is used to "reverse curses"....now its mentioned a lot in the book, but after that we just hear that its a cure to "unpetrify" someone - they leave out the fact that its used in numerous types of cures.

what if Mandrake can reverse the effects of the "curse gone wrong" - could it be used to severe the connection Harry has with Voldemort? Could the introduction of the Mimbelous Mimbletonia (SP?) in book 5 and Neville's interest in Herbology be the beginnings of a connection to CoS's Mandrakes? A remedy to reverse the connection would be a lot quicker than having him continue to learn Occumency.

(now I am sure someone else probably has stumbled onto this but I haven't searched for other threads, it just struck me after having posted earlier in this one)

[Kaylor]

That's a good theory. I've always wondered why Neville had such and interest in Herbology and thought it might have a significance in the future.
Someone did make a good point though, I never connected the 1,000 year old school with indoor plumbing. But then again, they are wizards and maybe they came up with the bathrooms first...by why the girls?
I'm going to have to read Chamber again...inbetween Access, Accounting, and Machine Transcription....

[ramones]

How about Harry's weird connection to Voldemort? I mean, not only do they look alike and speak Parseltongue, but they also share their minds in a way. Harry thought that Riddle's name sounded oddly familiar--like the name of a long-lost friend. That was so eerie. Perhaps this resurfaces in book 6?
Wasn't it Ron that thought Riddle's name was familiar?

Anyway, I think that his connection to Voldemort is an important discovery. But did he discover it in CoS? He found out about the similarities, not the connection.

My hunch: that it has to do with his discovery that Voldemort is a half-blood...
This could be it. He discovered that Voldemort was a half blood and JK did say we will learn more about his birth.

If the 'discovery' is important and not just some minor detail, I too think it might have to do with Gryffindor.
Harry discovered the sword and that he is a true Gryffindor and I think he might learn that GG was his ancestor.

Maybe it has to do with his loyalty to DD.

[Northcott]

Add in to that all his magical transformations and rebirth, how could the Dark Lord really be just Tom Riddle? Surely Voldemort has "Dark" in him that no one, not even Tom Riddle had?

Any thoughts?

What I like most about Ms. Rowling's work is the emotional maturity and insight she imbues it with. When Harry is a child, he acts and thinks like an adventuresome boy. When an adolescent, he acts and thinks like a troubled teen. So, too, for the rest of the characters; each is consistent with their own persona. Many of them have layers built into them, which convinces me that Ms. Rowling has spent a great deal of time watching people and trying to figure what makes them tick.

My hunch on Voldemort is that he is just Tom Riddle. In fact, he's more Tom Riddle than anyone guesses -- except perhaps Dumbledore, who still calls him by that name.

Tom Riddle hated muggles, hated half-bloods... hated what he came from and what he was. It's a phenomenon that creeps in among hate-based groups, such as White Supremacists: every now and again you'll find a member with heritage from non-caucasian sources; not obvious enough to make them outcasts among such groups, but enough that they are filled with self-hate which they then direct outwards.

I think that the abilities to love and to grow from that love are what will eventually allow Harry to defeat Voldemort. For all his power and all his hate, Voldemort is still, deep down, gifted yet pathetic Tom Ridde -- so wrapped up in his hatred that he has stagnated. So filled with self-hate, directed outwards, that he had to try and change himself to escape that emotional cycle. Voldemort cannot grow as a person, because he is crippled by hatred. He will never be more than Tom Riddle.

Harry, however, has become far more than "the boy that lived". He has become a hero in his own right; a true friend, a stalwart companion, a generous soul. Even in the throes of teen angst and self-absorbtion, Harry was able to battle through that and display his valour and concern for others -- and that makes him greater than Voldemort can ever be.

Since the differences between the two are a central theme, and that contrast was never more evident than in CoS, I think we'll eventually see Voldemort's considerable weakness, combined with Harry's strength, eventually be his downfall.

[ComicBookWorm]

Repeat after me. Tom Riddle is Voldemort. Voldemort is Tom Riddle.

To quote JKRTom Riddle is the same person as Voldemort

[SeekerLynch]

Thank, you ComicBookWorm. It's just the same as 5-year-old Harry is the same person as 15-year-old Harry. It's not two people who happen to be te same person, but one person at two points in his life. People get the idea they are two people who are the same person because in CoS we met a copy of 16-year-old Voldemort. There is only one being who is Tom Riddle, and he just happenes to go by 'Voldemort' now.

[BuddyBoy]

Hey folks, this is a very intersting discussion, but lets not get side tracked by what details seem important to us like:
Tom Riddle's Diary
Ginny being possessed
The Chamber of Secrets itself
Godric's Sword
etc..

what about the clues that dont seem like clues?
list of irrelevant discoveries:
Hand of Glory
Moaning Myrtle
The Flying Ford Anglia
Books written by Gilderoy Lockhart
Polyjuice Potion--when using hair of a nonhuman (Hermione)

can anyone else think of any random tidbits?

[Mumps]

Moaning Myrtle
Things that might be important are mentioned in again later books. e.g. time-turners. Godrics sword.
Also Moaning Myrtle was mentioned again twice (maybe more) in GoF.

[Lord Nicholai]

not necessarily. the philosiphers stone has been mentioned again in other books and i doubt that will be an important feature in later books...it being destroyed and all...

[HermioneWitch28]

In my opinion the three most important things that Harry discovers in book 2 is that

1. He is a parselmouth
2. he is a true Gryffindor
3. Hagrid was innocent

[ComicBookWorm]

Godric's sword is mentioned in GoF and OotP as well.
Acromantulas
Hagrid's innocence
Tom Riddle's heritage
That Harry has a "piece" of Tom Riddle in him. Although this wouldn't be something new for Harry. He knows this by know.

Things that might be important are mentioned in again later books. e.g. time-turners. Godrics sword.
Also Moaning Myrtle was mentioned again twice (maybe more) in GoF.
Time turners were in PoA not CoS

[Ilovefredandgeorge]

Most of what I got from it was that LV, as we know him now, is acctually only formed by his memories and self-awareness (he doesn't acctually have a soul, as bitter and evil as it could be :p ).

So, since he's new-self is mostly formed by memories and the knowledge of who he was before his "death", why don't they just erase him?

It was in CoS that we first heard about the Obliviate spell - when Lockhart's attempt to erase Harry and Ron memories of the truth about him backfired. And since then we have only heard more and more about it. JK even showed us how deep its consequences could be when she brought Lockhart back into the story in OotP.

I know I'm probably royaly wrong about this, and everytime I post something in a thread like this I completely contradict myself, but I can't help it! Since the title of book six was released I have been creating thousands of theories about what's going to happen in it and the clues JK has been giving us just give me more to speculate about... :rotfl: So please if you think I'm too far away from something even possible just ignore me, ok?

But let's face it, the whole obliviate thing is kind of cool, isn't it? Imagine someone trying to obliviate Voldemort and then he just goes *puff* and desapears. :D

This makes so much sense. Sure it would maybe a boring ending but it works. Obliviate was first mentioned in CoS buit has been brought up plenty of times after. It was Mentioned quite a bit in GoF and also mentioned in OotP. |
This is a very plausible idea. I too believe that the thing harry discovered is the spell to ERASE MEMORY.

[SeekerLynch]

Of course, that only works if the Chaneling Hypothesis is correct, and I don't think it is. But your theory is cool by itself.

[aggiefan1206]

I think it could be the sword. Mabe th pheonix and how loyal they are? Mabe figuring out parseltounge could be a good thing now that he can speak it. Mabe the whole thing between Riddle and Harry when he finds out the VOldemort was tom Riddle and how to open the chamber,all the info harry got from tom could be important. Im not sure but cant wait to find out

[SeekerLynch]

I think it has to do with the Godric Gryffendor/his sword or just the founders in general. We've been getting more information about the founders ever sinse CoS.

[superphred]

okay sorry guys but I find this to be a bit too obvious....

THE HAND OF GLORY

1) gives light only to its holder
2) Dumbledores line in the opening of POA movie - "one can find hope in even the darkest of times, if they only remember to turn on the light" - this line felt so out of place in the rushed opening, so I feel it may be foreshadowing something
3) The fact that they actually put the discovery of the hand in the COS movie, even though it was completely unrelated to any plot points in that movie

The hand will be back, how or why or wether it is related to the HBP I have no idea. but there is no question to me that this is the "discovery" she is refering to.

[winter snow]

Repeat after me. Tom Riddle is Voldemort. Voldemort is Tom Riddle.

To quote JKR
Exactly! And lets not forget in CoS, in the chamber, Tom wrote his name in fire TOM MARVOLO RIDDLE. This spells out: I AM LORD VOLDERMORT. This is an anagram. Lord Voldermort and Tom Riddle are one and the same person. Tom Riddle enchanted his Diary to open the Chamber AFTER he left school when he thought it was safe. He waited 50 years. It's stated in the book that he changed his name to rid himself of the Riddle surname. If you look carefully at the anagram, you can find the phrase contained within it. =) I thought this was a stroke of genius on JKR's part. I have done anagrams for much of my life (it's great mental exercise for the mind!) That's enough ranting. I'll get off the soapbox now! :)

[Kaivey]

I was somewhat dissapointed not to be the first person who caught Hagrid's innosence as a possibility. :) Oh well. I think it was a great idea to bring up the Hand of Glory, with the evicdence provided, I think it will come back as well.

I can't think of this off the top of me head. Hum... we learned that Percy was kissing Penelope Clearwater? xP Yeah. That's it.

[Harlequin0416]

Ooooo... I know!!! Harry is going to destroy Voldemort by chucking his free collection of Gilderoy Lockhart books at him! They are awfully heavy. :p

[Michelangelo]

I think it has to do with the Godric Gryffendor/his sword or just the founders in general. We've been getting more information about the founders ever sinse CoS.

I think so too. I think something that will be revealed in HBP was planned to be released in CoS. I think Dumbledore would have said more about the sword then that only a true Gryffindor could have pulled it out of the Sorting Hat. The Potters have a connection with Gryffindor. (They also lived in a city named after him: Godric's Hollow.)

[king_elessar]

i think it may be godric gryfindor or salazar sytherin. I believe it 2 be slytherin because it will relate to voldemort being a half blood

it could be another basilisk??

[Mumps]

Time turners were in PoA not CoS
I meant that the sword was in CoS and the time-turner in PoA, apologies for the misunderstanding.

So things mentioned twice
Time-turners (PoA, OotP)
Godric Gryffindor's Swrod (CoS, OotP)
Moaning Mrytle (CoS, GoF)
Parseltongue (PS/SS, CoS) (I know that PS wasn't exactly mentioned as being Parseltongue, but it is there, included in the plot).
Peeves (In every book, either their or at least mentioned many times).
I think all these things will play a part in the remaining two books. (In fact I think that all the Ghosts, not just moaning Myrtle will be involved, I think that other ghosts have been mentioned twice if not more times, e.g. peeves).

I can just imagine Peeves defeating Voldemort by tripping him up and squashing him with a Coat of Armor! :lol: :rotfl:

[SeekerLynch]

. . .they actually put the discovery of the hand in the COS movie, even though it was completely unrelated to any plot points in that movie. . .


Yes, they put it in the movie, but they didn't say what it did. If it was important, they would have said what it did.

[PheonixPheather]

I think that GG's sword is going to play a huge part in the final 2 books. (Also I believe we will see the Hand of Glory again.) I think that GG is the HBP, and that his story was what was cut from CoS and replaced with Slytherin's story....but that's for another thread, I suppose.

My guess is that Harry's discovery is either Gryffindor's Sword or the Hand of Glory.

[Dementor Dave]

Question: Harry "discovered" the Malfoy's ties to the Dark Arts underworld, directly I mean. Everybody knew, but it was unconfirmed until CoS. Could this be important?
-Dementor Dave

[burningphoenix]

Hehe, I'm just going to stop posting my stupid theories now... no one ever commented on them, lol. Don't bother now.

Anyway, Yes, I agree, Gryffindor's Sword seems like the correct answer to me, but it probably isn't. A lot of us think that Harry is Gryffindor's heir (I said "a lot" not everyone, mind you) and the sword and DD saying Harry was a true Gryffindor is the proof.

However, I think that this is way too obvious. It's got to be something that we've overlooked so many times that it'll seem so obvious once we get HBP :)

Everyone like my new siggy? Made my image myself :rotfl:

[marshmallow]

I think we really need to narrow things down a bit. What Harry discovers in CoS is something he hasn't learned about yet. We know about the Parseltounge and similarities between Tom/Voldemort and Harry because Voldemort transferred his powers to Harry when he tried to kill him. In other words, Harry has already learned about it. I won't cross it off my mental list completely though, because he can learn more about it. But I honestly think it's omething more subtle.

I myself have no real theory as to what Harry will learn in HBP.

I also don't think it has to do with Godric Gryffindor, because as many people here believe, if he's really the HBP, then the discovery can't be about it, because what Harry learns about has nothing to do with the Half-Blood Prince.

*hopes that made sense*

[SeekerLynch]

Godric Gryffindor can be the HBP and still be the discovery. Harry discovered Godric in CoS, but he could still learn later that he is the HBP.

[marshmallow]

Only JKR said herself that the discovery does not relate to the Half-Blood Prince. She says:

"The link I mentioned between books two and six does not, in fact, relate to the 'Half-Blood Prince' (because there is no trace left of the HBP storyline in 'Chamber'.) Rather, it relates to a discovery Harry made in 'Chamber' that foreshadows something that he finds out in 'Prince'."

In other words, Harry discovers something in book 2 that he'll learn about in book 6 but it won't have anything to do with the Half-Blood Prince.

[Hedwig50]

An idea hit me that I haven't read yet. Harry learns in COS that Hermione is a Mudblood. Harry on page 115 said to Hagrid. "It must've been really bad because everyone went wild."

Harry learned that prejudices exist in the wizarding world.
What he hasn't learned yet is his own ancestory, his own wizarding blood lines.

[SeekerLynch]

Didn't he know that Hermione was a muggle-born in Book 1?

[Richie J]

Just to put in something I've thought about for a bit

In COS Harry discovers House-elves for the first time.

House-elves are very magical e.g. they don't have wands, dobby beat malfoy senior on the draw in the film and dobby was able to apperate while in Hogwarts (something that you're not supposed to be able to do).

In another book (POA I believe) Dumbledore mentions that house-elves have been mistreated by the magical world for years. Could this be mainly by the bad side of the magical world?

I feel that the house-elves may side with one side or the other and with their level of magic, not a bad force to have on your side.

[Barbara Kennedy]

An idea hit me that I haven't read yet. Harry learns in COS that Hermione is a Mudblood. Harry on page 115 said to Hagrid. "It must've been really bad because everyone went wild."

Harry learned that prejudices exist in the wizarding world.
What he hasn't learned yet is his own ancestory, his own wizarding blood lines.
See this thread for why....
Why Doesn’t Harry Ask Questions? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=20673)

[Hedwig50]

He learned that Hermione was muggle born in book one, but I was getting at what he learned in book 2. The idea of someone being a mudblood. The prejudices that lurk in the wizarding world.

JKR went on to try to explain how this transpired during WWII as well. Her feelings on these matters seem to be quite strong, and a large piece of the plot.

[SeekerLynch]

JKR went on to try to explain how this transpired during WWII as well. Her feelings on these matters seem to be quite strong, and a large piece of the plot

I think it's less a part of the plot than an important theme (so far, any way, but it's getting to be more important).

[tantrix]

One thing Harry discovered in book two is that a basisilk's (sp) poisonous fang proved fatal for Voldemart's memory. Interesting.. a snake's venom fatal to the heir of Slytherin!

Another thing... in CoS, when Harry and Ron were in Hagrid's hut, Dumbledore seemed to see them through the cloak..... isn't that something?

[SeekerLynch]

Fatal to a copy of the heir of Slytherin. There's a difference. Plus, if we go by the requirements you are going by, we could say that 'Nearly-Headless Nick had his 500th death day party' is a discovery too.

Another thing... in CoS, when Harry and Ron were in Hagrid's hut, Dumbledore seemed to see them through the cloak..... isn't that something?

Dumbledore also could see Harry while he was looking at the Mirror of Erised.

[tantrix]

exactly.. I'm just stating random points of importance... I think the fang burning throught riddle's diary accounts for something..

[Blondie20]

This may be a little far fetched - but what if Harry's discovery is in fact the sword belonging to Godric Gryffindor? As he cannot use his wand to kill Voldemort, which he evidently must, maybe the sword could be the way to end Voldemorts ''life''?
Thoughts please: not a solid theory I know, but I'm new to this so bear with me.

Also I love that someone picked up on the fact that snake venom was fatal to Riddle's diary persona, especially since Voldemort/Riddle was living off his snakes ''milk'' in GoF.

[ComicBookWorm]

I meant that the sword was in CoS and the time-turner in PoA, apologies for the misunderstanding.

So things mentioned twice
Time-turners (PoA, OotP)
Godric Gryffindor's Swrod (CoS, OotP)
Moaning Mrytle (CoS, GoF)
Parseltongue (PS/SS, CoS) (I know that PS wasn't exactly mentioned as being Parseltongue, but it is there, included in the plot).
Peeves (In every book, either their or at least mentioned many times).
I think all these things will play a part in the remaining two books. (In fact I think that all the Ghosts, not just moaning Myrtle will be involved, I think that other ghosts have been mentioned twice if not more times, e.g. peeves).

I can just imagine Peeves defeating Voldemort by tripping him up and squashing him with a Coat of Armor! :lol: :rotfl:
They actually mention Godric's sword in GoF as well.

[tantrix]

the sword has been discussed before... I think it is too obvious... killing Voldemart with the sword seems like an extremely simple notion.. I think the plot is going to twist much more. The pulling of sword might have implications.. remember that Harry thought it was just any sword, dumbledore explained the sword's owner.. so i don't think it is a discovery...

[MasterDarkNinja]

Well lets see here, it could be foreshadowing something about Harry and Voldemort being the heirs of Griffindor/Slytherin. I suppose it may also be about something that Voldemort may plan to do. Like maybe the heir of Slytherin can do more then open up the chamber of secerts, maybe Slytherin left behind more then just a basilisk for his true heir and Voldemort will use it. It could be about how he controled Ginny to since Harry discovered that when he was inside the chamber to. Those are my guesses.

[HP_Detective]

I don't know if anyone touched on this yet...probaly but oh well....could the hidden thing be the now open entrance to Hogwarts through the Salazar statue....Maybe it leads somewhere.

[tantrix]

wow.. you might be onto to something... a memory (riddle) can control a real human (ginny) ... using maybe imperius curse..

[ComicBookWorm]

I don't know if anyone touched on this yet...probaly but oh well....could the hidden thing be the now open entrance to Hogwarts through the Salazar statue....Maybe it leads somewhere.It's been discussed elsewhere, but it is something that can be considered important and should be brought up. :tu:

[tantrix]

It's been discussed elsewhere, but it is something that can be considered important and should be brought up. :tu:

True.. Is it possible that Sorting hat was something Gryffindor left for his followers... after all the sword was pulled out of the hat?

[ComicBookWorm]

True.. Is it possible that Sorting hat was something Gryffindor left for his followers... after all the sword was pulled out of the hat?
I've thought that not only will there be more GG artifacts than just the sword and the hat, but that the hat might have more to say to Harry.

[guitarhobbit]

One of the things harry discovered was Tom Riddle's diary, and that one can communicate with the memory of a person. I think i remember reading that JK said Harry will find a way to communicate with Sirius. My theory is that Harry will communicate with the memory of Sirius in a similar way to how he communicated witht he memory of Tom Riddle.

[secrets_safe]

...i personally think that green_ginervera has an exelent point!! there is that one fact that tom riddle can come in different forms...wat if his new form happened to be the half blood prince...
there are many possibilitys
~secrets_safe

[JDR237]

Lockheart's memory charm, the Malvoy's secret passage under the drawing room, the hand of glory, are all information Harry discovers. Riddle, however, is not the half blood Prince. But, could he have left memories in a pensive also, helping to strengthen Voldemort? Could Malvoy have more of his old school supplies?

[Andos]

I believe the link between Chamber and the larger story is that it very clearly foreshadows what happens in the end... this is what JK has been telling us and its actually really obvious once you think about it.

In Chamber, Harry defeats a "memory" of Voldemort in the guise of Tom Riddle ... this is the foreshadowing of Harry defeating Voldemort in the end ... and Harry defeats Riddle by turning his weapon back on himself. Harry uses the basilisk fang to defeat Riddle so Harry will turn Voldemort's own evil back on him to finally win.

The points mentioned above about the fang are correct, imho and I think this foreshadowing is important.

[Blondie20]

I believe the link between Chamber and the larger story is that it very clearly foreshadows what happens in the end... this is what JK has been telling us and its actually really obvious once you think about it.

In Chamber, Harry defeats a "memory" of Voldemort in the guise of Tom Riddle ... this is the foreshadowing of Harry defeating Voldemort in the end ... and Harry defeats Riddle by turning his weapon back on himself. Harry uses the basilisk fang to defeat Riddle so Harry will turn Voldemort's own evil back on him to finally win.

The points mentioned above about the fang are correct, imho and I think this foreshadowing is important.

I think you are definitely onto something there! The simplest theories often turn out to be the best. I haven't read that anywhere else and I think you may have a winner!
Also, I do think there's more to Percy in the plot of the next few books. Hmmm we'll see.

[filius]

I've been making as list of things he discovered.
Here it is:

Harry found out that he was a parseltongue
and that Tom Riddle is Voldemort (vice versa)
and that Voldemort is Slytherin's heir
and that the "beast" of Slytherin is a Basilisk
and that Mrytle died because of a Basilisk

Do you think these have any importance? (add on to my list if you like :))

[EvilRaven]

Why is the Order called Order of the Phoenix?

The term "Death Eater" is symbolic to Voldemort; Voldemort wants to destroy death, he wants immortality.

Phoenix basically means the same thing. Phoenix means immortality, but in a less dramatic sense. It also represents courage and hope.

But why is the Order's name revolved around a phoenix, if what it represents is not what Voldemort wants? Dumbledore doesn't want immortality, he wants to preserve life and the unity of the wizarding world. He values life, but knows there is much more to life than living forever and what if after death.

But perhaps there is much more to it to the Order's name. Fawkes could be more important than meets the eye.

In COS, Fawkes responds to Harry's loyalty to Dumbledore and takes the hat to Harry. But this also raises the question: how on earth did Fawkes know that the sword of Gryffindor was in the hat in the first place?

Yes Fawkes is a smart bird, responding to Harry, saving Harry's life in COS, and Fawkes saved either Harry or Dumbledore in OOTP (can't remember who). Fawkes also gave a second feather, somehow knowing that Voldemort's wand would need a brother wand, either before or after the prophecy.

But seriously is Fawkes the clue to the HBP?

JKR says:
The link I mentioned between books two and six does not, in fact, relate to the 'Half-Blood Prince' (because there is no trace left of the HBP storyline in 'Chamber'.) Rather, it relates to a discovery Harry made in 'Chamber' that foreshadows something that he finds out in 'Prince'.

If Fawkes knew the existance of the sword in the hat, something which I doubt Dumbledore even knew about at the time, then Fawkes knew Godric Gryfindor. Fawkes might have been Godric's pet, like he's now Dumbledore's.

What does Harry discover in 'chamber?'

Fawkes and the sword.

I think Godric is the HBP. I think phoenix in the Order's name represents Fawkes, and Fawkes represents Godric's quest.

[Lord Nicholai]

i think your all looking too far into it to find some sort of set defined discovery. maybe its something simple, like the whole mudblood incident and the discovery of wizard prejudices. if you think about the title of book 6, the discovery being the pureblood/halfblood/mudblood seems to fit

[Dementor Dave]

True.. Is it possible that Sorting hat was something Gryffindor left for his followers... after all the sword was pulled out of the hat?

Did the Sorting Hat belong specifically to Godric Gryffindor? Do we know this as fact?

[Nagini04]

Doesn't the hat say that Godric took it of his head in one of it's songs? I might be wrong, but I think so... Meaning that it did belong to Godric.

[Kimmetje]

Dementor Dave, we know that as a fact (that Gryffindor invented the hat) as he sang or said that to Harry I believe...

Posted by EvilRaven
I think Godric is the HBP. I think phoenix in the Order's name represents Fawkes, and Fawkes represents Godric's quest.

I agree! By the way, I like your ideas...

[Dementor Dave]

Thanks for clearing that up! It may have more meaning in the future books, but I'm still leaning toward all the Slytherin artifacts in the CoS being important, too. I mean come on, The previous Dark Wizard's lair is in Hogwart's basement! There has to be more about Salazar Slytherin.
-Dementor Dave

[ornjbreezy]

Wow, there are lots of great theories on this thread. I think someone should just reread CoS right now and post every single thing Harry discovers. Any volunteers? I, personally, think the discovery may be that the Malfoy's are hiding more things in their basement. Of course, I can't prove this and I don't even have any speculatory evidence; it's just a sort of hunch. I do like the idea that the discovery has something to do with the four founders, especially GG and SS.

[atherella]

I've thought that not only will there be more GG artifacts than just the sword and the hat, but that the hat might have more to say to Harry.

I agree.

One discovery Harry made in Cos, that I don't recall being mentioned elsewhere is the fact that when Harry put the sorting hat back on in the Chamber, it spoke to him again. Therefore, we know that the sorting hat can communicate anytime (at least with Harry it appears), and not only at the beginning of the year sortings. Plus, I believe Jo said that the sorting hat has a bigger role to play in the upcoming books.

[Baron_G]

I'm sure it's the extension of the parselmouth discovery. It's the next logical step after his discovery of the prophecy. He needs to find out about his connection with Voldemort while he studies occlumency. The snake references were pretty loud in OotP although I'm sure there is a lot more to it that she intends to add for HBP.

[Sgirlnine]

Voldemort could have passed on alot more that just being able to talk to snakes. I think that in COS Harry may have breifly shown or used something that Voldemort passed on to him and Harry could build on the ability in book 6 or 7. Harry might not even have reconized it and we could have missed it thinking it was something most peolple could do. Now all we need is someone to re-read and right down all the things that that ablity/charater trait could be. Any takers?? ; )

[Baron_G]

Oh I don't think it's a new power/ability. More like a deeper and scary significance to the existing one.

[zoeydsngwrtr]

Heres my thought, though it may already have been brought up.
Voldemort and Harry seem to have one big brawl in every book, except of course in book Three....but the danger of each brawl gets even larger, which in the literature world, makes sense.
What if the next "brawl" between Voldemort and Harry takes place in the COS? We have never revisited the chamber, and I often wonder why, why were the students not allowed to see it??? I think the chamber itself is full of more secrets, to be revealed in the future.
As for the Malfoys, and the hand of glory, and all of that fun stuff...I think that they will have a great deal to do with the future books, even more than before. The title of the next book makes me wonder, I am definatly curious of Malfoy's future, I think he is a person of interest.

[tantrix]

I think that as we saw the Slytherin's markings in and around the Chamber, he probably didn't want his heir to slide down the messy pipes everytime a muggle was to be killed. Maybe he was able to break some of Hogwart's securities inside the CoS. For example, Voldemart would be able to apparate directly in the chamber..

[atherella]

Maybe the chamber isn't even considered part of Hogwarts. Remember when the trio all entered the Chamber and one of them said "We must be MILES underneath Hogwarts". I have no idea how far the protections around Hogwarts go, or how far beneath the school. But, if the Chamber is far enough under ground, perhaps it isn't even considered part of Hogwarts, and thus, not covered by all the protections placed upon Hogwarts?

[Kazza]

The discovery could be the whole Pure-Blood/Muggle-Born prejudice. Harry first learns about that in CoS. After all, look at the title of numero 6!

[aries4180]

I've noticed 2 things while re-reading COS that Harry may have discovered.Harry discovered the basilisk which he describes as "a sort of monster Voldemort-even other monsters didn't want to name it."(p.358 us version) Could that be foreshadowing an animagus basilisk Voldemort?
The other thing was the fact that Voldemort had never tried to take over Hogwarts."Even when you were strong,you didn't dare try and take over at Hogwarts."(p.398 us version) Since Voldie's stronger and worse than ever now,will he try?
I think it's very possible that Voldemort could enter Hogwarts through the chamber as a basilisk and try to take over,setting up a fight with Harry which ultimately destroys the chamber.That could lead up to the final battle at Godric's Hollow bringing the conflict full circle in book 7.

[prisionerisdead]

I really think it could be the parseltongue thing, that was an important discovery made in Chamber,dont you think?

[Lord Nicholai]

The discovery could be the whole Pure-Blood/Muggle-Born prejudice. Harry first learns about that in CoS. After all, look at the title of numero 6!

I said that :p eveyone ignored it though :huh:

I think its more likly then some of the others.

[zoeydsngwrtr]

That is a good point, maybe the Chamber is not protected. Also, with it being so far below, and with Voldemort being a snake like person, it would be the perfect place for him to hide, only, I think DD is smarter than to let someone take over the chamber, but there is a definate possibility of another struggle in there

[ramones]

I don't know if anyone touched on this yet...probaly but oh well....could the hidden thing be the now open entrance to Hogwarts through the Salazar statue....Maybe it leads somewhere.
I don't think that is what JK is refering too, but it would be cool if Harry went down there again.
The basilisk is gone and there might be something interesting there.


What does Harry discover in 'chamber?'

Fawkes and the sword.

I think Godric is the HBP. I think phoenix in the Order's name represents Fawkes, and Fawkes represents Godric's quest.
First of all, JK is not necessarily refering to what Harry found in the chamber itself, but in chamber the book.

His discovery isn't really connected to the HBP.

JK said Myrtle will be back, I sure hope she isn't the 'discovery'. She gets on my nerves.

[Tane]

I've noticed 2 things while re-reading COS that Harry may have discovered.Harry discovered the basilisk which he describes as "a sort of monster Voldemort-even other monsters didn't want to name it."(p.358 us version) Could that be foreshadowing an animagus basilisk Voldemort?Though Voldemort can not be a basilisk animagus due to the poison being capable of killing him in the Chamber of Secrets.The other thing was the fact that Voldemort had never tried to take over Hogwarts."Even when you were strong,you didn't dare try and take over at Hogwarts."(p.398 us version) Since Voldie's stronger and worse than ever now,will he try?Though this is a very good point, Voldemort could try and attack Hogwarts through Harry, I wonder whether that was what the dreams where all about, Voldemort trying to control Harry's actions while he stayed at Hogwarts? I really think it could be the parseltongue thing, that was an important discovery made in Chamber,dont you think?Well Harry has not used this since The Chamber of Secrets, so this is also very possible, why most the book could apply to the last two in the series. Harry new how to open the chamber, how as he used different sounds to open the sinks hole and the serpents that locked the door to the chamber, how did he know what to say exactly?

Perhaps there is a serpent Harry can control, maybe even Voldemort as his animagus serpent form or Voldemort himself if he does have any serpent in him. I know pythons listen to Harry's bidding due to what happened in the dueling class in the Chamber of Secrets. Nagini is a python I think because Voldemort can milk her venom so perhaps Harry can control Nagini though I think there is a thread about Nagini Voldemorts pet.

[aries4180]

Harry discovers the howler.Dumbledore's howler to Petunia might have a huge impact on book 6 as well as the series

Though Voldemort can not be a basilisk animagus due to the poison being capable of killing him in the Chamber of Secrets.
Tom Riddle could be killed by the basilisk venom,Voldemort has since undegone many transformations and changes which could leave him immune to the poison.

[tantrix]

Consider all the possibilities that offer to an evil mind...

I think that the Chamber would prove important later on in the books.. it's location might also be a factor. I'm guessing that by now Dumbledore knows about the location of the Chamber. I think that he should've gone in the chamber to investigate things himself.

[SeekerLynch]

Ivestigate what? There's no trace now of the memory of Tom Riddle or the Basilisk. What would he be willing to go into a creepy, evil place with bones all over the floor to see?

[Nagisa]

Ivestigate what? There's no trace now of the memory of Tom Riddle or the Basilisk. What would he be willing to go into a creepy, evil place with bones all over the floor to see?

It's probably nothing, but when I saw the movie and then read the book, my first thought was, "A basilisk? What else is there?" It sounds more like a Chamber of Secret than a Chamber of Secrets.

I would've expected Salazar to have stashed some of his more interesting dark magic tools down there, and I was kind of surprised there wasn't anything else there.

[SeekerLynch]

Salazar wouldn't have hidden his rare Dark Magic stuff in there since he was leaving the school. In the beginning, he might have had stuff in there, but he would have taken it with him when he left.

[Kethaer]

I'm utterly sure it's Gryffindor's sword! This is probably because it backs up the idea that Godric is the HBP, which I'm also quite sure of...

[Spencer28]

Heres a jab/guess at it. Harry is the heir of Gryffindor and Tom Riddle is the Half Blood Prince. We'll soon find out.

[ComicBookWorm]

Heres a jab/guess at it. Harry is the heir of Gryffindor and Tom Riddle is the Half Blood Prince. We'll soon find out.
Don't you read JKR's website? Please note my signature below.

[latiem]

I think there is more to moaning myrtle granted he didn't discover her in the chamber itself but she keeps reappearing later in books.

Maybe the fact that its under the plumbing has a clue to it we know Slytherin house is underground right maybe there is a connection there.

[Nikki_Star]

From what I understand of what JK has said on her site, The Half-Blood Prince story line is not directly related to the story line in the Chamber of Secrets. So Harry will not be entering the chamber, there is no other basilisk, Voldermort will not take over the chamber. That being said, I think we are looking too much at the big clues that lead up to the events in Chamber. I think we are overlooking small, insignificant clues. The story line was taken out of the orginal book because it didn't fit and would work better else where. It's like, Sirius is mentioned in The Sorcer's Stone, but he's only mentioned once. Then in Prisoner of Azkaban, he's the story line. Do you understand what I'm saying? If JK would have given us back story on sirius in Sorcer's stone I wouldn't have fit. I think that there is some clue lurking in book 2 that we are all overlooking. I'm sure once book 6 comes out and we have all read it, we will have to refrence back to Chamber for the small, mundane clue. I know I did that after reading about Sirius in POA.

[muggledeedee]

JO said it would be something we may never pick up on, something irrelevant that we wouldn't even pay mind to....I was thinking - and I am not sure if I am even joking myself. bUt I was thinking about how Filch is so attached to his cat. Harry "discovered" Filch's attachment to his cat when he practically threatened to kill Harry when he thought Mrs. Norris was dead. Egyptians held cats in very high regard, regarding them as a royal creature and royalty had their cats mummified witht hem when they died. maybe FILCH is the HBP (that is just crazy talk, I know) and his cat is his royal guard.

[MaraudersMap]

I think that the fact that he pulled out Godric Gryffindor's sword will play a bigger role in book 6. Maybe he wasn't related to Godric, but there is definitely some sort of connection.

[tantrix]

Sirius is mentioned in The Sorcer's Stone, but he's only mentioned once

Where exactly is he mentioned?

Salazar wouldn't have hidden his rare Dark Magic stuff in there since he was leaving the school. In the beginning, he might have had stuff in there, but he would have taken it with him when he left.


What if Salazar left the school but never really left it. He stayed in the Chamber working on his dark magic.

I have an unrelated question. In SS, it's said that Dumbledore defeated a dark wizard (Grindel***) in 1942-43.. i wonder how long is that before riddle joined hogwarts..

[Lord Nicholai]

Sirius is mentioned right at the beginning. When Hagrid lands in privet drive, he mentions that he borrowed the motorbike from "young Sirius Black" if i remember rightly

[tantrix]

oh yeah..

[ComicBookWorm]

Where exactly is he mentioned?

What if Salazar left the school but never really left it. He stayed in the Chamber working on his dark magic.

I have an unrelated question. In SS, it's said that Dumbledore defeated a dark wizard (Grindel***) in 1942-43.. i wonder how long is that before riddle joined hogwarts..
Per the HP-Lexicon Grindelwald was defeated in 1945
Tom Riddle attended from 1937 through 1944

[tantrix]

Do you think the defeat of Grindelwald fueled Tom Riddle to rise up....
Also.. it might be that Grindelwald's defeat facilitated the transformations in Riddle, forming him LV (maybe he found Grindy's dark magic site)....

[ComicBookWorm]

Do you think the defeat of Grindelwald fueled Tom Riddle to rise up....
Also.. it might be that Grindelwald's defeat facilitated the transformations in Riddle, forming him LV (maybe he found Grindy's dark magic site)....
It is an interesting coincidence. There are a few threads about Grindelwald and there are few different theories about the connection.

[Lord Nicholai]

i cant see hwy there might be a connection. We already know through chamber that Voldemort was already in the planning and the reasons behind it...I doubt Grindelwald had anything to do with Voldemort.

[Buckbeak2004]

Oh god im going to have to read chamber for the umpteenth time now...

[Apollyon]

I believe it has something to do with the Hand of Glory. I can't see why that was ever mentioned, as it had no significance in book 2 yet it got quite a detailed description.

[Lord Nicholai]

i cant see why people see the significance with random objects mentioned once. In GOF DD conjures some cakes in Hagrids cabin and Ron asks for one a few pages on. Does this mean that in a later book, the trio will be attacked by a giant Victoria Sponge? or maybe the key to killing Voldemort is to bake him a cake!

random objects like the hand of glory are used to set the scene. Its used in knockturn alley to show the atmosphere of the place. a home of thiefs and criminals - dark wizards. Dont assume just because it has no immediate significance means it will have significance later on. Some random objects are exactly that. Random.

[Apollyon]

i cant see why people see the significance with random objects mentioned once. In GOF DD conjures some cakes in Hagrids cabin and Ron asks for one a few pages on. Does this mean that in a later book, the trio will be attacked by a giant Victoria Sponge? or maybe the key to killing Voldemort is to bake him a cake!

random objects like the hand of glory are used to set the scene. Its used in knockturn alley to show the atmosphere of the place. a home of thiefs and criminals - dark wizards. Dont assume just because it has no immediate significance means it will have significance later on. Some random objects are exactly that. Random.


..Pieces of food have absolutely nothing in common with the Hand of Glory's description. Anyway how do you know what is random and what isn't?

[Jaguar]

I think maybe it has something to do with Dobby. I don't know why. Maybe the giving away clothes thing?

[Lord Nicholai]

..Pieces of food have absolutely nothing in common with the Hand of Glory's description. Anyway how do you know what is random and what isn't?

im just stating that, like the hand of glory, the cakes were described to set the scene. Yet noone creates theories about the voldemorts great cake plot?

to me, everyones over analysing every little detail form the second book to find the link between that and the sixth...and as a result the theories are becoming at best, far fetched.

I dont decide whats random. things just are. The hand of glory is random because it serves no significance whatsoever. and thats what you seem to be looking for. finding items of no significance and claiming them to be important for exactly that reason. if it has no significance to the second book, then the hand of glory must be important in book six!

why??? by the same logic, i could say that the cakes in Hagrids hut are key to the plot in book 7

[Dedalus Diggle]

There has been a lot of focus on the Hand of Glory, but I think the movie establishes that it's not important, at least not specifically. In the book, it was a magical hand that held a candle that shed light only for the person carrying the Hand, but in the movie there's that creepy hand that grabs Harry's hand. Very different attributes. If the operation of the Hand of Glory were important, then the candle-thing would be in the movie.
I'm less certain of this, but I have come to the conclusion that the only significance of anything that happened in Diagon Alley was first for Harry to get separated from the Weasleys because he is still mystified by wizarding ways, and second - far more importantly - that he ran into Hagrid there, which set the stage for Harry and Ron to take seriously the concern that Hagrid might be the one opening the Chamber. Some people have tried to make something sinister of Hagrid's presence there, but it seems far more likely that it was just a set-up for that book only, to make the suspicion of Hagrid more plausible.

[tantrix]

I think maybe it has something to do with Dobby. I don't know why. Maybe the giving away clothes thing?


harry would give the other sock to voldy, who would instantly die!

[GodricHollow]

Hang on, a old school friend from Muggledom as I call it for the Riddle name thing, what anagrams of Tom Marvolo Riddle can you get?

[Buckbeak2004]

Tom marvolo riddle anagrams: Vomited moral lord
Violet mold ram rod

I think we're onto something...

[GodricHollow]

Hold up, Riddle! That's got to have something to do with it, after all, Riddle isn't a common name... Riddles is one thing Harry takes his time over, (see sphinx in GoF) so he may take all of book six to work out what Riddle means...

[zoeydsngwrtr]

Good points everybody!!! I still think...and it could also be lots more hope...that we will see more of the Chamber of Secrets. It may not be the link between the two books, but I still think that we will see it.
Tom Riddle is not the half blood prince, he is one in the same as voldemort, and per JKR website...the half blood prince is neither Harry nor Voldemort.
I do think that the story line of who godric Gryffendor is and how he relates to Harry may have a space in the next book....I don't think it is the link though, but it is intresting to me that Harry's parents were in Godric's hollow...

[muggledeedee]

I am so hooked on this that I have to go reread CoS!! I need to try to find something that may give us soem direction!

[flinton]

i think that he will find out that he is griffindors hier and that as godrick as got rid of salazr and voldy being salazrs hier harry will be able to get rid of him
some how. also does it state that the sorting hat was godricks in cos becasue i think that has some thing to do with the ending dont ask me why.
i hope people understand this a im dyslexic and most things i write make no sences [COLOR=DarkRed] and it dont help if ur in a rush


flinton

[jo schmo]

i think harry discovers what DD said he had in such high quantities that Voldemort did not which is in the locked room in the Dept. of Mysteries (which he did not know about). everyone says that jkr has a purpose for everything she says in the books and it would make sense that the trio, being inquisitive as they are, try to find what DD told harry was in the locked room (after hary told them about it of course). she probably had DD say that as a bit of foreshadowing for 6 or 7. i don't know what it will have to do with the HBP but i think it makes sense.

[winter snow]

i think that he will find out that he is griffindors hier and that as godrick as got rid of salazr and voldy being salazrs hier harry will be able to get rid of him
some how. also does it state that the sorting hat was godricks in cos becasue i think that has some thing to do with the ending dont ask me why.
i hope people understand this a im dyslexic and most things i write make no sences [COLOR=DarkRed] and it dont help if ur in a rush


flinton

Welcome to the forums Flinton! Don't worry about the typing. I can understand what you're saying. Happy posting!

[Glorfindel]

Perhaps Sirius Black will have a deathday party! j/k :p

[SeekerLynch]

I don't know where it said, but the Sorting Hat said something to the extent of "It was Gryffindor who came up with a solution [to how students would be sorted after the Founders died] and pulled me off his head and put some brains in me."

[Ahmed]

hmmm..theories theories theories............but let's think...........scar.......the key of harry's myestrious past!!!won't scar have to do any thing to harry and voldemort!!!so far it is only a connection.......what if it becomes more than a connection.hmm?what say guyzzz?
and also.....harry posses that power.......but how will he use it?
that's a myestry!!!

[winter snow]

Harry discovers the howler.Dumbledore's howler to Petunia might have a huge impact on book 6 as well as the series


Tom Riddle could be killed by the basilisk venom,Voldemort has since undegone many transformations and changes which could leave him immune to the poison.

Aries4180, I agree with you. The howler is going to be extremely important with the plotline. I myself am intrigued with the correspondence between DD and Petunia. Enquiring minds need to know!

[leoguy72388]

Well maybe something to do with innocence and loss of it. In book one it really seemed like harry world was a lot better than it really was. I think harry realized in the second book that voldemort and his followers werent the only evil people in the world and he started to know how evil the world around his really was. Book 3 expands this with the dementors being evil. It could possibly explain more and have harry realize just how corrupt the wizarding world is. In book one it was like o wow im a wizard and i LOVE the magic world. But now it is like wow the whole world is really messed up and corrupt. Like the ministry of magic will probably be revealed to be corrupt. Also I think book 6 should be much more dark than 5 because harry lost sirius, his last relative at all, and he will be very much alone without sirius. And then maybe he will find a love interest worth persuing and she will make his happy *coughlunacough*

[aggiefan1206]

I think Fawkes and the fact that harry is true gryffindor may be important.

[MuggleWitchGirl]

something I posted in another forum:
one of the discoveries Harry discoverd in book 2 is a bout bewitching muggle artefacts.
and Ron told Harry where is father,Mr Weasley worked:
"he works in the most boring department,said Ron.The Misues of Muggle Artefacts Office.
The what?
It's all a bout to do with bewitching things that are Muggle-made......."

and on the next page Ron is saying:
"...our shed's full of Muggle stuff.He takes it a part,puts spells on it and puts it back together again."

it's immediatley reminded me of the Mirror,Harry got from Sirius.
maybe Harry will learn how to bewitch things to his advantege,like a new sets of Mirrors,to help to communicate with his friends in the next book.

[SeekerLynch]

I'm sure Harry knew that it was possible to bewitch muggle things before book two. Broosticks, for example? Harry also discovered that mirrors (Erised), cloaks (invisibiliy cloak), and pictures (Fat Lady) can be bewitched.