CoSForums Archive - Anti-Potter People

raeredeyes

August 6th, 2002, 9:47 am

i was searching the web, and i happened upon this site.

i almost choked on my weetiebix.
Then i laughed myself silly.

see for yourself: http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/hpmain.html

talk about looking too deeply. Some of this stuff is laughable. Drawing conclusions between green boils and Satan' fave colour. Boils are just green, dam-nation!

Honestly, this stuff makes me feel sick:

No person who considers themselves Christian can read this book without partaking of Satan's cup; therefore, he deceives himself mightily who thinks that, after reading Harry Potter, he will be accepted by the Lord at His table. Trying to do this will only "provoke the Lord to jealousy", moving Him to act against us.

We strongly believe that Satan is greatly using these Harry Potter books to capture children for his own kingdom, and conditioning them to accept his values and attitudes. Then, when Antichrist does arise, he will find legions of children and young people ready to accept him, worship him, and finally accept his mark.

hee..look at the pic too. Looks like that little thing is going fair up his :censored:

LewsTherin

August 6th, 2002, 11:01 am

Look, I don't think Harry Potter is 100% kosher, but in this world, what is? There are far worse things in the world than HP, and with proper parental guidance, HP can do one's kids a lot of good, and can be positive experience for everybody.

The writers of this article are being excessive beyond reason, and are only seeing it from one point of view - theirs. But they're entitled to their opinions, and as long as they don't force them on me, then they can believe what they want.

I just wish they wouldn't sound like a bunch of religious fanatics - it gives Christianity a worse name than its already got!

Thayet

August 6th, 2002, 11:29 am

The make harry potter sound deadly and fatal, like reading it will make your kids all crazy and evil or something!

Weird site. Very weird. Whats the betting if it had a guestbook there'd be lots of rude entries? Thanks for showing us that :)

Tinkie

August 6th, 2002, 12:34 pm

oh come on... have they seen that cartoons on TV are filled with violence and weapons? is that less "satanic"? not that Harry Potter is satanic and sincerely i cant see how it could be. because they use magic? well children, with the guidance of their parents will know that this is just fantasy, it cant happen for real.

Mireille

August 6th, 2002, 4:27 pm

I ran into a site similar to that when I was doing a book report on Harry Potter. My one friend who is a religous fanatic didn't even understand some of the refrences. Although she did say that green is the devil's color, but to me green is just a color. Some people read to far into things.

Ferrik

August 6th, 2002, 6:00 pm

As a Bible-believing, church goeing Christian, I should be insulted by the accusations these people are throwing around. But it's hard to be insulted by wackos like this. You can practicaly see the foaming at the mouth in that article. I was also unaware that Satan has a favorite colour, and would like to see where in the Bible they came up with this. "And the colour of the Beast shall be green, and all who wear his colour shall be cast into the fire." Hmm maybe I shouldn't water my lawn. That makes the grass green and could be seen as a sign of worshiping Satan. For that matter, everyone with green eyes must be in league with the Devil. Maybe we should go witch hunting and burn them all. And hey! Those Irish people wear green. Ireland must be the country of the Antichrist. Let's nuke 'em! :rolleyes: (<-smilie of the Antichrist). *end sarcasm*

JenBluffheid

August 6th, 2002, 6:56 pm

Ooh! That stuff is annoying... ! They say it as though HP is killing us all! There are worse thing, you're right, so why can't they go and pick on them? Why HP? Because it's popular? Might as well ban eucalyptis (sp?) leaves too... herbal remedies. They are "magical", but oh yeah, witchcraft is from Satan! Can't have that, so let's leave the injured to die!

Morgoth

August 6th, 2002, 7:00 pm

Originally posted by someone with no life
No person who considers themselves Christian can read this book without partaking of Satan's cup

Good job I don't consider myself a Christian then

Originally posted by that weird guy again
...therefore, he deceives himself mightily who thinks that, after reading Harry Potter, he will be accepted by the Lord at His table. Trying to do this will only "provoke the Lord to jealousy", moving Him to act against us.

Right...

Originally posted by that jibba jabba foo http://www.btinternet.com/~mpt.m/ticking.gif
We strongly believe that Satan is greatly using these Harry Potter books to capture children for his own kingdom, and conditioning them to accept his values and attitudes. Then, when Antichrist does arise, he will find legions of children and young people ready to accept him, worship him, and finally accept his mark.

Would that be the Dark Mark?

Benzo

August 6th, 2002, 7:14 pm

Originally posted by Morgoth
Would that be the Dark Mark? Maybe but I hope it won't be the dark Lord!:evil:

Ghost

August 6th, 2002, 7:28 pm

From the book review of CoS:

1. Spirits At Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry

e. Wailing Widow [p. 135]

Now at first I thought they'd just got the Whomping Willow completely mixed up with something else, but then I read p 135. It's the scene where Harry's in bed in the infirmary, after taking some Skele-Gro, and Colin Creevy is brought in. WTF? Where did the Wailing Widow come from?! Or is that just their name for McGonagall? :p

g. Chameleon Ghouls [p. 184]

The only creature mentioned on that page is Aragog.

III. Colors are extremely important to the occultist, as they depict certain realities within the spirit world. Rowling consistently uses colors to depict certain events and/or certain realities. Remember that Satan's favorite color is green, or variations thereof.

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4. An evil-smelling green onion was bought by one of the students as a protective device against evil Valdemort and the monster of the Chamber of Secrets [p. 185]

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Valdemort...? Did these people even read the book? poke:

k. Centaur -- p. 269 -- "One of a race of monsters, born of Ixion, having the head, arms, and trunk of a man, and the body and legs of a horse. For the ancient Greeks, the centaurs represented lawlessness, animal passions, and barbarism. They were often pictured being ridden by Eros, the god of Erotic Love , an allusion to their amorous nature."

So JKR's trying to inject a little pornography into her books then?

5. Occult Numbers Used In Story Plot

a. Eleven (11) -- Primary number to the occultist. Harry was admitted to Hogwarts School on his 11th birthday, thus ending his most terrible existence in the Muggles world.

b. Thirty-three (33) -- Triple intensification of 11. One of the most important numbers to the occultist. In this story, when Harry's arm bones needed to be regrown, the doctor witch said that he had "thirty-three bones to regrow". [p. 175]

Clutching at straws yet? heheh these are hilarious!!! :rotfl: You've got to hand it to these people, they have some imagination!

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G. "Uncle Vernon made another funny noise, like a mouse being trodden on." [p. 47] Remember Adolf Hitler, the most famous Black Magick wizard in modern history? He depicted Jews as Rats in his Propaganda Machinery, convincing the Germans they should extermination the "vermin".

HAHAHAHA This is priceless!

dobbygirl

August 6th, 2002, 8:03 pm

It seems that the really evil members of Slytherin had green eyes, to match the color of their serpent symbol.

Where in the books does it say that? :??:

These people have way too much time on their hands. Not to mention that if they spend so much time reading Harry Potter and other witchcraft books, aren't they afraid they'll fall under their spell?

Comparing the description and use of mandrakes to human sacrifice and abortion is just plain bizarre, not to mention sick. I think they're doing far more harm than any of the HP books could do.

jedily

August 6th, 2002, 9:43 pm

How on earth do they know what Satan's favorite color is? Or that copper is his favorite metal? You'd think they had a book called "101 Things You Need To Know About Satan, But Were Afraid To Ask". Honestly, this goes a little too far. They are reading way to much into HP. This reminds me of the hoopla about the Smurfs many years ago. People said they were evil then, now you hear nary a peep about it.

Manyasha

August 6th, 2002, 10:17 pm

Sorry, I didn't read the article. The first quote was enough for me. I'm tired of people's stupidity. It's awful.

JenBluffheid

August 7th, 2002, 7:28 pm

Originally posted by FluffyRedux
From the book review of CoS:

Now at first I thought they'd just got the Whomping Willow completely mixed up with something else, but then I read p 135. It's the scene where Harry's in bed in the infirmary, after taking some Skele-Gro, and Colin Creevy is brought in. WTF? Where did the Wailing Widow come from?! Or is that just their name for McGonagall? :p

The only creature mentioned on that page is Aragog.

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Valdemort...? Did these people even read the book? poke:

So JKR's trying to inject a little pornography into her books then?

Clutching at straws yet? heheh these are hilarious!!! :rotfl: You've got to hand it to these people, they have some imagination!

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HAHAHAHA This is priceless!

HAHAHA!!!!!!! Those are hilarious!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Oh! Calm down, Jen... caaaaaaalm down. Phew! Oh, my word. I've got a stitch from laughing.
So the no. 11 is related to Satan, is it? :rolleyes: Don't ALL people go into high school at that age? Pathetic...

jedily

August 7th, 2002, 7:33 pm

That reminds me of the anti-HP email I got from a friend where the guy says Erised is the name of a demon. These people have way too much time on thier hands. They need to go get a real job.

Da da da da da86

August 8th, 2002, 5:30 pm

FluffyRedux, it's possible that they used a different version (hardback, british, whatever). I remember chameleon ghouls from CoS. The students were wondering what the creature was and how it got around unnoticed. One student, I think it was Hermione, suggested that themonster could change shape, and she had been reading about chameleon ghouls...

Still, it's laughable. First of all, it was speculation, nad I doubt Hogwarts has chameleon ghouls. Second, they are not spirits, are they? Ron has one in his attic...

By your posts, I'm sure many of you saw the color page..
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1485.cfm
It's hilarious! If you look at the astrolog's, and celtic thing's colors, they are all the basic ones. red, green, blue, yellow, orange, purple, white, clear, gray, brown. Suddenly, the Potterverse is satanic because it's not colorblind? How stupid.

Cisco Wheeler then dropped the bombshell. Not only are these colors the sacred colors and birthstones of the Celtic Tree Calendar and of the Zodiac Correspondence, they were also used to facilitate Ritual Magick!
Oh no! What colors? Ahh! my shirt pattern has the colors red, white, blue, and gray! Those colors are all Satanic! oh no! Here he is, the devil, coming to get me! ahh! :mustdash: :devil:

Puh-leeze!

Half the time, they look like they have read each book extensively to point out its ties the the devil, yet the other half they completely get everything wrong, and it really puts off its credibility (which before was at ZERO). Example:
Lord Voldemort's Dark Mark, which was the ultimate curse by which he wanted to kill Harry...

What's wrong with that, again? Oh, yeah, EVERYTHING!

Sorry about the shouting.. I just feel like this. :angry: :yell: :censored: :angry: :yell: :no: :yell:

Ferrik

August 8th, 2002, 11:57 pm

I really should stop reading those articles. It's just that they're fascinating...in a bizarre, twisted, psychotic way.
Now, I understood from whence Rowling had gotten her idea of talking and moving portraits! She pulled this detail from a book that was now over 500 years old! The only people who read this type of book are the initiates and adepts of Luciferian secret societies, or people studying the same. Rowling clearly is so familiar with secret society secrets, I find it highly likely that she is a member of such a Luciferian society.

Yea, or maybe she just watches TV and thought it would be cool to combine that and a proto form of holographics.

This latter revelation is exceedingly important, because Rowling's second book was called "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone".

Oh that explains it. Book 5 came out 2 years ago (GoF). We're really waiting on book 6. There's also a secret book 1 hiding out there somewhere. If these guys are to be believed it's probably titled Harry Potter and the Satanic Verses.
That article also tries to tie the HP books into a 500 year old alchemical text. Here are some of the comparisons:
-Both have phoenixes and unicorns
-Buckbeak is really a Griffon. JK just made him with the hindquarters of a horse throw the rest of us off track. No mention is made of her use of real Griffons.
-Both have a lake large enough to hold a large ship.
-Flamel created the Philosopher's Stone when he was 666years old. 666 being the number of the Beast in Revelations.

:rolleyes: We has a pilot who's engine temp was recorded as 666 last week. We told him that his airplane was obviously possessed. He was to keep calm, and we would send out a priest. If the propellor started rotating the wrong direction, he should vacate the area immediately. Honestly...

Kneazle

August 9th, 2002, 12:19 am

:rotfl: :lol: This is cracking me up. I used to get so mad over these things, but I've long since decided that, since they won't heed a word that you say, it's far more entertaining to let them spew out their stuff. :D

WhiteBumblebee

August 9th, 2002, 5:59 am

3. Slytherin -- Black Magick house -- "There's not a single witch or wizard who went bad who wasn't in Slytherin. You-Know-Who [Evil Lord Voldemort] was one." Their color was green. Isn't it interesting that Rowling does not tell us what the official color is for any of the other fraternities?

:rolleyes: Ugh, we all know that Griff. is Scarlet and Gold, Huff. is canary yellow and black and Rav. is Blue (and white?) anyhoo, these people are very selective. Grr :censored:

XI. Occult Numbers Used In Story Plot

Harry was eleven (11) when he was admitted to Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. The number eleven is considered sacred to the occultist, as it is the first primary number. Occultists will also add up numbers to get an occult number that is sacred; thus, I was highly interested when the bank vault maintained for Harry by his Mom and Dad before their death was numbered '713' [p. 73]. When you add '7 + 1 + 3 = 11'. Then, we learn that, in the money of the Fantasy Reality, "twenty-nine Knuts to a Sickle". When you add 2 + 9 = 11.

:idea: Oh, right, let's keep going. There are 17 sickles in a galleon and 7+1=8.. hmm not 11, well, there are 142 staricases at hogwarts and 1+4+2=7 hmm.. not 11 either.. not so evil after all! :devil: grr.. :rasp:

pasalita

August 9th, 2002, 6:07 am

What in tarnation?!

Well, to each their own, I guess. It doesn't really surprise me that there's a website like that, though. Others exist that don't deal with HP.

It is frightening, though, to see people so fanatical and set in their ways, and are SO abrasive and unrelenting. It makes me shiver.

In a way, it makes me think about Salazar Slytherin, and at least now I can see where his mistrust may have stemmed from.

Da da da da da86

August 9th, 2002, 6:31 am

In GoF somewhere it states that Ravenclaw is blue and bronze (for you, White bumblebee)

We should start our own series of pages claiming that these readings are the real evil. We'd point out all their mistakes and reveal the Potter series for what it really is...... A children's book (GASP!).

Of course, I'd be far too lazy to do that, as there are so many mistakes...

raeredeyes

August 9th, 2002, 7:41 am

i remember reading in one of the articles on the page that they were saying that JK was in league with the devil so that her books would be more successful... The two of them gots their noggins together and made the series and put a bit of black magik to help us panting for more.
Well, that got me thinking? What is it about the series that makes me want to read nothing else but it and fan fic relating to the series all the time?
As you can imagine, i was freaked out *oh my!* and decided to search for answers.
But then it came to me: the books may actually be *gasp* well written, interesting, and different from the other detritus out there.

nothing evil about that now, is there?

Its sad that there are people who see evil in everything that moves. They probably look at a big mac, and see,as the lettuce is green, it must be a tool of satan. ARG! watch out for the satanist big macs! they will sacrifice the cows, bathe in their blood, then grind up the flesh to create more burgers to join in their sect! :bow:
See, satan works in mysterious ways:devil:

so, this has affirmed to be that i am so not a christian. Buddhism is looking quite nice though. Im sure they'd accept Harry, even if he was a tool of satan

There's no such thing as satan: its a myth made up for people to blaim all their faults on, and everything that goes wrong in life.

*END* ...rant over and out :yell:

TheShadow

August 9th, 2002, 12:11 pm

:lol:

Tinkie

August 9th, 2002, 12:20 pm

oh my god !lol :lol: everytime i read this thread, i cant stop laughing... do these people know what they are saying? i mean it is hilarious!
green favourite color of Satan, number 11 used all the time ....*dies laughing*

WhiteBumblebee

August 9th, 2002, 3:31 pm

Thanx Da da da da for the colours of Ravenclaw, I just wanna say, after all that I have read that even if Satan was behind these books :devil: Whatever, he has excellent literary sense, his use of forshadowing and emotional propultion is unparalelled in books of this genre. (okay i can't spell, anyhoo...) Argh, maybe these people can't stand the fact that the woman can write! :wow: big surprise..

okay, enough rant for today :yell:

Cheers
~WhiteBumblebee

symplet

August 9th, 2002, 3:40 pm

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/images/cutedgeHP_01.jpg

Aren't unicorns discribed in SS as pure animals? :rolleyes:

"In Celtic mythology and European folklore, a fabulous beast [comes] in the form of a horse, with a single spiraling horn growing from the center of its brow. In alchemy, [it is] a symbol of the complete mastery of phallic sexuality by ritual intercourse and its conversion into the forces of pure visualization."

Wonderful! Do you want your child to subliminally be conditioned to the horn of the unicorn as a phallic symbol of intercourse?

:wow: Great! JK Rowling is now a sex addict! Why has ayone told me that before?

"This Phoenix destroys itself in flames and then rises from the ashes. Most occultists believe that the Phoenix is a symbol of Lucifer who was cast down in flames and who they think will one day rise triumphant

Didn't those occultist thought that a phoenix is just a myth?? It's just a METAPHOR, that's all! It shouldn't be taken literally! If anyone sets their birds on fire and then see a head popping out of the ashes, please gimme a call!!! (a bird head only, because if it's a human one, don't call me, call 911 instead!)

Some people really need to get a life... :angel:

Ghost

August 9th, 2002, 8:51 pm

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :devil:

That unicorn pic is just disturbing :whistle:

What kids can learn about Satanism from harry Potter can be written on the back of a stamp. What the can learn from these essays is all they need to start up their own devil worshipping cult, complete with blood sacrifices and ritual orgies!

Da da da da da86, now that you bring that up, I think I do remember chameleon ghouls! Still that's only one mere mention, and those muppets still got it in the wrong context! poke: :D

Public record will tell you that Adolf Hitter became demon possessed right in front of his friend after coming out of a Wagner's concert; Wagner steeped his music, and the storyline that accompanied it, in pure Satanism, thus giving Satan the legal right to step in at his choosing to afflict or to possess.

Your child could be in this same boat with Harry Potter. They may have become so enamored by it that they just cannot wait for the next one to come out. News stories are reporting that many children are so hungry for the next Harry Potter book that they are immersing themselves in other occult storylines. This is the kind of action that can give Satan the legal right to afflict, or to possess, a young child.

Heh, throw in enough references to Hitler and you'll soon make it sound convincing. :p But wasn't Wagner a musical genius? By the sounds of it, anyone who uses Satanic imagery in anyway possible is exposing themselves to demonic possession, and evil influences. Well, that certainly explains all those philandering priests... :evil:

So many people are being sucked right into the seemingly very enticing world of Satanism without even being aware of it; this condition Jesus describes above -- of no true faith left on the earth -- is increasingly likely. Remember the values of Satanism; it teaches indulgence in the following areas: Greed, Pride, Envy, Anger, Gluttony, Lust, and Sloth (Laziness) [Anton LaVey, The Satanic Bible , p. 46]

Ah, but they're not against using quotes from a devil worshipper to back them up. Hmmm... :p

A. Harry and his friends learn how to makedrugs, and the glory of taking them. Listen to Professor Snape explain: "I don't think you will really understand the beauty of the softly simmering cauldron with its shimmering fumes, the delicate power of liquids that creep through human veins, bewitching the mind, ensnaring the senses, I can teach you how to bottle fame, brew glory, even stopper death ... Potter! ... What would I get if I added powered root of asphodel to an infusion of wormwood?" [p. 137; Emphasis added]

Snape?s the local dealer! Why didn?t I see it before?! :rotfl: No wonder all the Slyerthins are always in such a bad mood, they?re, like, coming down, man... :p

G. Possible reference to homosexuality . When I was first researching Harry Potter, I examined several pro-Potter websites. The author of one of the articles said that one of the probable developments she felt would occur in the latter books was the advent of homosexuality in the story theme. She said such activity was only hinted at in the first books. With this thought in mind, you will better understand this sentence.

"Professor Flitwick [Charms teacher] put the class into pairs to practice [levitating]. Harry's partner was Seamus Finnigan (which was a relief, because Neville had been trying to catch his eye)."

Or maybe the sweet ?innocent? 11 year old didn?t want to have to work with the class dunce who would have dropped in 10 seconds...

Heheh, reality is perception based people, you only see what you want to see... and it?s pretty obvious what this lot have on their minds... :devil:

Da da da da da86

August 9th, 2002, 10:03 pm

Ewww. How can they turn Neville's trying to be friends with a celebrity into that? (no offense to anyone with the eww. It's just that that's not how it was meant to be construed)

If we wrote a book on the mistakes they made about SS, it'd be longer than the book itself. (Note to admins: We need a smacking-yourself-in-the-head-because-you're-amazed-at-the-stupidity-of-others smiley. See if you can find one:) )

Ghost

August 9th, 2002, 10:14 pm

This will suffice. http://www.cosforums.com/images/smilies/banghead.gif

What get's me is that it's the 'author of an article on a PRO-Potter website'... :censored:

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How about a smacking-them-in-the-head-because-you're-amazed-at-their-stupidity smilie?

http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung/aktion/aktion060.gif

The Forsaken

August 9th, 2002, 10:45 pm

Some of the things this site preaches are the exact type of thing that made me forsake religion.

First off this quote is my favorite from the whole site YOU ARE NOW ON THE CUTTING EDGE The cutting edge? A better title might be the burning stake. How is this cutting edge? People have been seeing witchcraft in daily life for a long, long time.

Next, we come to this pearl of wisdom from the article on SS. Of course, a Christian would be immediately alerted to this turn of events because soon a supernaturally powerful global leader will demand everyone on earth take some sort of a mark in exactly this place on the body. This is in reference to Revelations and how those annointed as going to heaven wll be marked on their foreheads. Now I don't see what this has to do with Satanism because the marking has to do with going to heaven in Revelations while the unmarked go to Hell.

Moving on. "Harry was glad school was over, but there was no escaping Dudley's gang ... Piers, Dennis, Malcolm, and Gordon were all big and stupid, but as Dudley was the biggest and stupidest of the lot, he was the leader." [p. 31] How do you know your own child does not think of you in these terms? After all, you are a non-magical Muggle. Oh yeah, I think my parents are fat and stupid because I read Harry Potter.

"Harry ... was going to Stonewall High, the local public school. 'They stuff people's heads down the toilet the first day at Stonewall', Dudley told Harry. "Want to come upstairs and practice?' Isn't this the normal thing we scare freshman with right before High School. I know that's what people tried to scare me by saying when I was little.

I neverk new green was Satan's favorite color. Did the author of this article ask Satan what his favorite color was before writing the article? I was under the impression that black or maybe red might be more Satanic seeing as they are the colors of Hell in popular Medieval literature.

Curse of the Bogies -- while this curse was not fully explained, Ron threatened Hermione with it. We consistently see students taking revenge upon each other, using their knowledge of the occult against their friends and enemies. My 6th grade Social Studies teachers taught us good pranks for April Fool's Day. Since we used them against fellow classmates does that make us evil?

During final exams, teachers passed out special quills with which to write; these quills had been "bewitched with an Anti-Cheating spell". The reason none of the teachers felt they could trust the honor of the students to not cheat is obvious enough; Students where I go to school cheat a lot. The teachers don't trust any of us. During finals we sit far enough away from each other no one can possibly cheat off each other.

Sorcerer's Stone -- as I have stated before, the Sorcerer's Stone is the fifth and final stage in the occult drive to achieve eternal life. In this book, Rowling correctly explains: "The ancient study of alchemy is concerned with making the Sorcerer's Stone, a legendary substance with astonishing powers. The stone will transform any metal into pure gold. It also produces the Elixir of Life, which will make the drinker immortal. There have been many reports of the Sorcerer's Stone over the centuries, but the only Stone currently in existence belongs to Mr. Nicolas Flamel, the noted alchemist and opera lover. Mr. Flamel, who celebrated his six hundred and sixty-fith birthday last year , enjoys a quiet life in Devon with his wife, Perenelle (six hundred and fifty-eight)." [p. 220; Emphasis added]Do you realize Rowling has just made the creator of the Sorcerer's Stone 666 years old? Do you realize what this means? Since the number, '666', is a symbol of Antichrist and his Mark of the Beast [Revelation 13:18] and since Rowling ties this number to the Elixir of Life, Harry Potter is teaching children that the way to achieve eternal life [Elixir of Life] is to obey the Antichrist and take his Mark of the Beast! Why did Catholic kings during the Middle Ages have alchemists to search for the Stone? I'm sure J.K. wants us to submit our souls to the Antichrist.

I've realized what these people are: The population of Salem Mass. during the 1660's reborn. Seeing Satan at every turn and persecuting anyone who's different.

Black Magick house -- "There's not a single witch or wizard who went bad who wasn't in Slytherin. You-Know-Who [Evil Lord Voldemort] was one." Their color was green. Isn't it interesting that Rowling does not tell us what the official color is for any of the other fraternities? Uninformed. The colors for the other houses is told during Quidditch matches.

The Forsaken

August 9th, 2002, 10:49 pm

Da da da da da86

August 9th, 2002, 11:06 pm

This is a real quote from the website. Not changed at all. Seriously:

Does Satan have his key in the lock to your child's heart? Henry Potter books are so overtly Satanic they are designed to quickly put Satan's key in the lock of your children's hearts!

Thank you very much, FluffyRedux for reminding me of it. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

I am amazed at the contradictions one these pages. For example, it first says that unicorns symbolize the coming of Christ to rule for 1000 years. Then, it says that the Unicorn represents the antichrist... I am confused.....

Also, they have really flipped me around with their attitude to government. First of all, they said that Communism is Satanic to the core (a little something else to make you mad, The Forsaken). That's stupid, IMO. Then, there are several references to US presidents being Satanic (The Bush family, apparently, is generational in its witchcraft. Jimmy Carter brought about New Age, and many women in the Clinton administration wore a broach with a phoenix on it, clutching the earth. Apparently, Phoenixes are evil... :banghead: ) I don't get it...

Also, I am :angry: disgusted :angry: that they suggested that the WTC attacks were satanic acts...

The Forsaken

August 9th, 2002, 11:11 pm

Here's the worst of it. All of the things in SS are kept in their original contex, basically. Here's one from CoS that's taken way out of context. Students could be put into detention for "looking happy" [p. 146] Christian parents want their children to be happy, contented, and well-adjusted. Can you imagine the horror of a school where students are put into detention for "looking happy"? Anyone who actually paid attention knows that Filch was attmepting to be vindictive and it never said anyone who had been given detention by Filch for that was ever made to serve it.

Tarawyn

August 10th, 2002, 12:32 am

All fundementalists seem to have much too much time on their hands. I need to read the entire article, but the quotes were enough to portray the basic person who is against Harry Potter: they read the books in sections, looking only for what they need to trod on it and disregarding anything else, inventing little details that they figure no one will ever notice, and take apart the smallest details which are purely coincidencial. They can't even keep the facts straight enough to be taken seriously. Sort of like what we've ended up doing with book five...but that's a completely different story. I've read hundreds of anti-Harry articles, and none of them show the proof of have actually read the books.

1. Both worlds are real, existing side by side in parallel. Fantasy is the world to which a Satanist seeks constant access, a world filled with exciting adventures with magic awaiting them at every step. A Satanist will consider his fantasy world to be more exciting, more fulfilling, and more 'real', than his real world. This is why Harry says to Dobby after Dobby tells him not to return to school: "But I've got to go back ? It's all that's keeping me going. You don't know what it's like here. I don't belong here. I belong in your world -- at Hogwarts." [p. 16; Emphasis added]

Unfourtunately, that has little to do with why Harry wants to go back to Hogwarts. It really annoys me that they can't read the books as a whole before making these accusations. And as for what they've said...that's ridiculous.

There's only one other thing I'd like to comment on:
As we noted above, Rowling consistently depicts people who do not practice Witchcraft in most obnoxious terms. They are depicted as being really, really dumb, boring, and living a life not worth living . We share these examples, below, with you so you can appreciate the truth of this statement. Uncle Vernon was also the only Muggle quoted in the book as being really opposed to Witchcraft; therefore, when readers see how stupid, ugly, and boring Vernon is, they get the idea that all people who are opposed to Witchcraft must be as stupid, ugly, and boring as Vernon is.

This is utter nonesense. A basic element in quite a few stories involving children is that the parents either have to give them a certain amount of freedom, or they have to be in the care of other relatives or people who are complete monsters. The fact that Harry's a wizard is a root, but it isn't a neccesary classification. Most Muggles would oppose magic to some degree, though not many to this one, and the ones that do could be perfectly ordinary; Rowling generally doesn't seem fond of stereotypes. While the books are unique, they also have quite a few common elements, such as this one. They might as well condemn Cinderella.

Ghost

August 10th, 2002, 8:08 pm

No problem, Da da http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung/grinser/grinser005.gif

Hahahah, I just find this all so funny! I don't know of any sensible person who would take this at all seriously.

Pity they do waste their time demonising anything that becomes popular. They could be doing so much to help others, going out there and doing some really good work. It's always best to concentrate on doing something positive, rather than something negative. :p

A.M.

August 10th, 2002, 8:49 pm

Oh, good now I know what to get my aunt and uncle for Chistmas. Stupid born agian :yell: x85.372 Fun as heck annoying them, though. :)

Anways, all these Christian fundlementalists are full of crap. Take my advise and listen to them as much as you do telemarketers.

MagpieOnaga

August 10th, 2002, 10:27 pm

Ugh. The only people who listen to these witch-hunting IDIOTS are other witch-burning idiots! They're not achieving anything with these campaigns....

Tarawyn

August 10th, 2002, 10:49 pm

Perfectly said. If people didn't already believe in these things, they never will; they just laugh at the people wasting their time. Like us, for instance.

hermownninny

August 11th, 2002, 8:45 am

This book chronicles Harry's first year at the Hogwart's School of Wizardry and Witchcraft. Prepare to be shocked for the bold, blatant, and bodacious raw Satanism that underlines this story!

All Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lets burn it!!!!!!!!!

Honestly, who are they trying to convinve?????:p

That's the biggest piece of :yell: that I have ever seen....

hermownninny

August 11th, 2002, 8:46 am

They should try to show some respect for themselves.....

There are some big ignorants in this world:sad:

raeredeyes

August 11th, 2002, 8:53 am

Perhaps we should be grateful that these people dont take this public and enforce this on others. Its bad enough that this web site exists, but we should be glad that its not all that easy to find.
I hope they never ever decide to take their campaign on some other media setting. I couldnt handle it if this got on the Teev...
As you know, the tv never lies :yup:

Oh yeah, watch out for the satanist big macs...

Morgoth

August 11th, 2002, 1:22 pm

Originally posted by a sad sad person
Truly, this disgusting supernatural satanic spell to resurrect the body of the evil genius, Lord Voldemort, captures the essence of Harry Potter. The themes of the books are constant terror, horror, and panic amongst the students. I could find no redeeming virtue in any of the books. Surely, no Christian parent should ever allow their child to put this bold, blatant Satanism in their minds

Uh-huh... I am totally convinced now. Quick, everyone leave.. I am shutting CoS Forums down. I must repent my wicked ways and burn all my Harry Potter books... The end is nigh... Call 911... call the president... release the dogs... arm the missiles... armageddon is here people... it's anarchy!!!!

Tarawyn

August 11th, 2002, 1:39 pm

Matt, that's hillarious! It's basically what the site gives you a picture of, that everything in Harry Potter is evil and'll send us to the fiery underground world, whether or not its subject makes any sense when compared to the rest of the literature at all. I would never give up HP to avoid it, if only to spite these idiots. These are the kind of people who would go to a discussion group of different religions and tolerance and shower them with packets and words on why they should convert to Christianity. Crazy.

Daisy!

August 14th, 2002, 7:44 pm

This one of the stupidest pages http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1485.cfm They condem EVERY single color in existance, does this mean that every thing to the color of the sky to every animal God made had santanic color on it, which means you're condeming yourselfs..

But what you peoples say is absolutly :rotfl: And these people are incredibly crazy, and make me ::sick:

:devil: smilies: :bawl: :rolleyes: :evil: :wow: :bigtu: :rotfl: :sick:

Megan Mystic

August 14th, 2002, 10:14 pm

Got that site is so stupid that its funny! that guy needs to get his act together! that dude an idiot......like harrys a follower of the devil yah sure buddy believe what ever you want hes gone extreme with his idea. :rolleyes: its good against evil! hes a lunney! all i have to say is that we should tie this guy up in a chair and put some headfones on him with the HP books and maybe he just might like him. hes not giving harry a chance! and i dont see him complaining about the LOTR books or Circle of magic books!:rasp:

Megan Mystic

August 14th, 2002, 10:17 pm

and one more thing..... NO ONE COULD EVER TAKE MY HARRY AWAY! :angry: AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH! These People make me FURIOuS!

symplet

August 15th, 2002, 1:05 am

There is no need to get all mad and crancked up over those people. They have the right to their own opinions but, never forget that they have no right to impose them on you.

I say, you can look at it if you want to, you can even laugh about it if you want, but don't call a person crazy or mad just because his own beleifs have taken over some other parts of his life. I agree this religious croisade against HP may be a bit far fetched, but hey, what do you want to do about it?

Tinkie

August 15th, 2002, 5:15 pm

:yell: The more i read about this the more pissed off i get. i mean what are they saying?DO THEY KNOW HOW SILLY ALL THIS SOUNDS?Anyway, i just try to calm down... there is no reason to get angry... they just have to realise that the children or the families are not in any kind of danger... if they really do think that there are satanic symbols in there, didnt it cross their minds that the kids may be too young to understand that it is demonic and thus will still stay innocent? (God i am talking rubbish) anyway. didnt it cross their minds that any indvidual reads different things into any book?

the best thing to do really in this case is to ignore these people. they really dont know what they are saying.

Note: sorry i have to go now, i have to go and confess. i hope my sin (loving the HP books so much) be forgiven... :(

daniel4hp

August 15th, 2002, 5:35 pm

:rotfl: I find this extremely funny. :rotfl:

Something I would like to point out is that not all Christian fundementalists hate Harry Potter. I am very angry at these people for giving Christianity a bad name. As a matter of fact, I know several fundementalists who have nothing against HP. There are just a few who do--and they give us all a bad name.

symplet

August 16th, 2002, 3:36 am

Originally posted by daniel4hp
I am very angry at these people for giving Christianity a bad name. As a matter of fact, I know several fundementalists who have nothing against HP. There are just a few who do--and they give us all a bad name.

As always! Some teenagers are trouble makers, but every teenager is now tagged with a "Danger! Might explose and damage your home!" sign in their forehead! Many people have the bad habit to generalise too fast... :angry:

Daisy!

August 16th, 2002, 6:31 pm

:yup: Couldn't have said it better myself. Actually, my church says HP is evil and I love my church, I just think they have that part wrong.

daniel4hp

August 16th, 2002, 7:14 pm

Personally, I don't think that any church should say a certain book is evil unless clearly stated by the Bible. Harry Potter is to controversal. If a church doesn't want it in the library, I understand, but I don't really think a church should say HP is evil--no matter what their personal opinion is. Just my opinion.

One of the quotes that most annoys me is this:

No person who considers themselves Christian can read this book without partaking of Satan's cup; therefore, he deceives himself mightily who thinks that, after reading Harry Potter, he will be accepted by the Lord at His table. Trying to do this will only "provoke the Lord to jealousy", moving Him to act against us.
If they want to have their own opinions that's just fine, but what annoys me about this quote is that it is basically saying that anyone who reads Harry Potter won't go to heaven. "...he decieves himself mightily who thinks that, after reading Harry Potter, he will be accepted by the Lord..." I think this is going to far.

Sam

August 18th, 2002, 12:48 am

Originally posted by FluffyRedux

Valdemort...? Did these people even read the book? poke:

I think that's the point. They haven't read the book. I'm not sure that people that talk like this, and insult creativity and art have read The Book.

People that believe that crud about HP being satanic need to get a life...because they are simply being ruled by someone else's opinion.

Before I judge something, I tend to look beyond what other's think. I also trust that God put a brain on my shoulders so that I'm smart enough to laugh at this crap.

daniel4hp

August 18th, 2002, 1:20 am

One thing I hate is that they condemn JK for using vivid colors such as "Blood Red," "Emerald Green," and so on. And that thing about green being Satan's favorite color... does any other Christian know if that's in the Bible? I don't remember reading it... Oh no! I have near me, right now, a green wastebasket, a green pencil, a green clipboard, and two green binders. I'm satanic!!!

As for Valdemort, I think that could be a typo, but in another place, they refered to the Henry Potter books... hmmm...

And I never knew Wagner's music was "Steeped in pure Satanism." And all those references to Hitler... why, if your child reads "Henry" Potter, he will because the next Adolf Hitler!!!

The Forsaken

August 18th, 2002, 3:24 am

First off Wagner was not a Satanist, he was however an anti-Semite and that's why you'll never hear anyone play his music in Israel. Second, I never knew green was Satan's favorite color. now a lot of religion students I go to high school with say I'm a Satanist because I wear all black. So which is it green or black?

daniel4hp

August 18th, 2002, 2:27 pm

Well, black is often thought to be Satanist because it represents evil--its done so for a long time. However, I wouldn't be to concerned about wearing black--unless, of course, you are doing it to be Satanist.

HogwartsChaplain

August 18th, 2002, 4:28 pm

My goodness, how could I have missed this thread? I've nothing to add here at the moment, as you're all doing such a great job of defending JKR and HP. Obviously, I think the people who write tirades against HP need to find something better to do with their lives. Write on!

dobbygirl

August 18th, 2002, 11:48 pm

Originally posted by daniel4hp
One thing I hate is that they condemn JK for using vivid colors such as "Blood Red," "Emerald Green," and so on. And that thing about green being Satan's favorite color... does any other Christian know if that's in the Bible? I don't remember reading it... Oh no! I have near me, right now, a green wastebasket, a green pencil, a green clipboard, and two green binders. I'm satanic!!!

:rotfl: :rotfl:

That's right, you're going straight to hell...:angel: Just kidding.

dumbleedore

August 19th, 2002, 12:55 pm

The one thing I find funny about sites like this is that they go into so much detail. And the only way to go into detail is to... READ THE BOOKS! This person has read the books, yet is condemmining them! I mean, how hypocritical is that? (sorry if someone else said this, but I didn't read the whole thread).

daniel4hp

August 19th, 2002, 3:12 pm

I know--its very funny: sometimes they appear to have read the books many times, in great detail, but then they go and make reference to the "Wailing Widow" and seem not to have read the books once. "Isn't it interesting that Rowling does not tell us what the official color is for any of the other fraternities?" (refering to Slytherin being green--"Satan's favorite color.") Honestly! What trash!

Tarawyn

August 19th, 2002, 11:21 pm

It's a result of reading the books for the sake of finding information. They research in detail the subjects they need for discussion and discard the rest as not being worth the trouble finding. Of course, they don't seem to realize that their obvious lack of reading with an open mind, or a mind in general, discourages people from paying any attention to them. A parent who's been reading the books to their kids, or whose kids have talked to them about the books, are probably going to realize that something is wrong with the picture. Reading about "Henry Potter" and "Valdemort" is enough.

Oh, I just realized that my bird is green, so he has to be possessed by the devil. I like the color green, so I guess I'm satanic. I even own a green shirt! (Honestly, these people take things too far)

daniel4hp

August 20th, 2002, 1:46 am

Yeah, they do take things to far... considering that almost every color in existance is, in some way, Satanic doesn't make much sense. They are criticizing JK for using adjectives, and Dumbledore for wearing purple--after all, purple is on the Celtic Tree Calander (something I never heard of anyway, but which is apparently Satanic). The problem is, you only see this if you assume that the books are Satanic. Many non-satanic authors have used colors in their books...

dumbleedore

August 20th, 2002, 11:20 am

So, if green and purple are satanic colours, then I must be satan himself. The only thing I have on me at the moment that isn't green or purple is my black pants and black shoes. My bedroom is green at the moment, but it will be painted purple eventully. 99% of things I own are purple or green.

How can this person go into so much detail about satanic things when they are supposdly against it? I mean, it's just ridiculas!

MagpieOnaga

August 23rd, 2002, 11:56 pm

Ok. I just finished reading the second book in the "His Dark Materials" trilogy by Philip Pullman, and I must say.....Why don't these people attack him as much? For crying out loud, part of those books is about a quest to KILL God! No joking!

...Not that I didn't like his books. I loved them. And I hope those people don't start attacking them...But honestly, when you compare them to Harry Potter, the HDM trilogy is a hundred times more sacriligeous.

darlawuzx

August 24th, 2002, 6:03 pm

Hello people, I am just scanning this website and this is what I found funny:

"Later in this book, and in Chamber of Secrets, we see that Harry was very nearly assigned to Slytherin House, the one fraternity on campus devoted to the Black Magick Arts."

^---what's that about? The book never said that Slytherin was devoted to the Black Arts! It just said that it turned out more bad witches and wizards than any other.

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"Robes of Slytherin Fraternity House, the Black Magick House [p 110] Since the House of Slytherin blatantly serves Satan and practices his Black Magick Witchcraft, I find it highly significant that the robes of the Slytherin fraternity are green."

And yes, the color green is funny. I think they adapted green for their color because snakes are scaly and sometimes green. Plus, maybe green is J.K.'s favorite color? Did they ever think of that. They are making it sound like green is an all around bad color. I like green! I want my eyes to be green because I do not know anyone with green eyes. Mine are just blue-ish grey.

"Gray -- Signifies cancellation and stalemate -- eyes of evil Voldemort "

So now my eyes are evil?

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"Cats are also symbols of a witch's familiar spirit."

O..k...so now we can't own cats? Cats are evil? hm...

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"Their(Slytherin) color was green. Isn't it interesting that Rowling does not tell us what the official color is for any of the other fraternities?"

Um..hello? Gryffindor is maroon/red, Hufflepuff is Canary yellow, and Ravenclaw is blue.

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"The story line has it that Professor Blinn died one day teaching his class, as he was seated on a stool. His ghost got up and began teaching the class. From that moment on, the ghost of Professor Blinn taught the History of Magic class."

O.k..I thought he died in the Professor's Lounge?

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"Thirty-three (33) -- Triple intensification of 11. One of the most important numbers to the occultist. In this story, when Harry's arm bones needed to be regrown, the doctor witch said that he had "thirty-three bones to regrow". [p. 175]"

Aren't there 33 bones in the arm? I don't really know..but isn't there?

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"Upon seeing Cedric with Harry, Voldemort instantly killed him with the Cruciatus Curse, the killing curse that produces such excruciating pain as it kills. I still think this name of this curse is a play on the word, Crucify, which would make it a slam against Jesus' Crucifixion."

I thought Cedric was killed with 'Aveda Kadevra?'. And I think, when J.K. mentions the cruciatus curse, it mean 'crucial' not Crucify.

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"Sirius is one of the most important stars in the galaxy; but, more to the point, Sirius is Satan!"

Yeah right!
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OKay...I am getting carried away. But these people need to go and read these books again becasue they missed some stuff...

daniel4hp

August 24th, 2002, 8:51 pm

Thanks for bringing those quotes up.

"The story line has it that Professor Blinn died one day teaching his class, as he was seated on a stool. His ghost got up and began teaching the class. From that moment on, the ghost of Professor Blinn taught the History of Magic class."
His name is Professor Binns and he died in the staff room, apparently at night.

"Upon seeing Cedric with Harry, Voldemort instantly killed him with the Cruciatus Curse, the killing curse that produces such excruciating pain as it kills. I still think this name of this curse is a play on the word, Crucify, which would make it a slam against Jesus' Crucifixion."
They are combining the Cruciatic Curse with Avada Kadavra to create the effect that they want. By doing this, it makes it sound very likely that it is related to the word Crucifixion. However, note that the curse causing excruciating [agonizing] pain... add "us" and you get cruciatus.

"Sirius is one of the most important stars in the galaxy; but, more to the point, Sirius is Satan!"
Sirius is Satan... hmmm... where did they get that from?

darlawuzx

August 25th, 2002, 1:43 am

In Satanic legend, Sirius is one of the most important stars in the galaxy; but, more to the point, Sirius is Satan! Let us listen to what Freemason leader and author, Albert Pike, has to say about Sirius, who came out of the Egyptian Mysteries.

Then it goes on about an Egyptian thingy(if you want to read it, go here (http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1430.cfm) and it is between the middle and the bottom. You can't miss it.)

However, when we dig into Luciferian lore just a little deeper, we realize that Sirius is just another name for Hell and for Satan!

What are they doing digging up information on Satan? Anyways... it goes on about more egyptian stuff and then..

Thus, when Harry Potter is related to Sirius, he is related to Satan himself! And, when Sirius comes to Harry's aid time and again and again, personally delivering him from the clutches of Lord Voldemort, Harry is being delivered by Satan. In the Potter books, Sirius is depicted as a grossly misunderstood good guy who is really sincere and wonderful in his heart of hearts. This depiction matches exactly the belief of the occultist, who believes that Lucifer is really the good guy, whom everyone of every era has grossly misunderstood. In the Garden of Eden, you see, Lucifer was really trying to spiritually "liberate" Adam and Eve, while the God of the Bible was the One trying to keep them in spiritual darkness and slavery.

Some people. :rolleyes:

MY OPINION: Harry Potter is a harmless fantasy book to me. It is more different that anything out there and it stands out. I like it. It doesn't influence me to go look up stuff on witchcraft! I can't believe the people who actually believe in witchcraft. Sorry if I offended anyone but...geez...

daniel4hp

August 25th, 2002, 2:54 am

Oh course, all this about Harry being related to Sirius is based on the fact that Sirius is the devil. While I was unable to find the origin or meaning of the name "Sirius," it does not really matter--In the context of the Harry Potter books Sirius on the side fighting Voldemort, who would represent Satan if anyone does. All of this study seems to presumet that the books are Satanic, then find reasons to think so: it doesn't matter that Sirius has been misunderstood for ages unless you presume that he is Satan. Once you have made this presumtion, however, the connection seems clear. This is how they make half this stuff look convincing--untill you see the other half with "Valdemort," "Henry Potter," the "Wailing Widow," and "Professor Blinn."

raeredeyes

August 25th, 2002, 4:13 am

Wait, they said Sirius was the devil?
How'd i miss that one :grumble:

Im beginning to think that part of the aim of this website is to write as much as possible, reading the book as little as possible.

The Forsaken

August 25th, 2002, 6:00 pm

In Latin, which Sirius' name is based on it is the dog star. Lucius, Malfoy's father, is the son of the devil in Latin naming but because he is portrayed as a bad guy it's actuallly a fitting name for him. The Egyptian's called the dog star Osiris, their lord of the Underworld. However, everyone went to the Underworld so he is not Satan.

daniel4hp

August 25th, 2002, 8:27 pm

They seem to be going into this way to far if they are going back this much... just accept that Sirius is a character with apparently no significance (in regards to his name). Every name means something--it doesn't really matter.

Ha! I found something about Harry's name:

"Harry" is a form of "Harold," which means "Army Power." Clearly this refers to Harrys genocidal core JK Rowling clearly displays in the books. From the very begining of the series, Rowling has protrayed Harry's desire to seek revenge for his parents death. With this new revelation of Harry's true name, it is clear that his goal is to use masive armies to become the next Adolf Hitler and to defeat Voldemort. Do you want your child to be exposed to this type of violence, which will give Satan a lawful right to possess your child and make him into the next Adolf Hitler?
Written by myself.

owl post 1992

August 26th, 2002, 3:02 am

omg u guys made me laugh a lot. i got offend when they go on about drugs (don't ask) :censored: and the primary numbers whats that about :??: so does that mean secondary numbers come after primary numbers:??: and these people must learn that what they are doing is increasing the number of Harry Potter fans out there not decreasing them.poke: and if black is the colour of the devil then [wash your mouth out] cos Sean was wearing a black polo neck and black jeans and look really gorgous as long as purple is not his colour then i'm fine cos then i'm outta clothes and if there was an interview with the devil please post it so we can find out what his fav colour is :evil:

daniel4hp

August 26th, 2002, 5:52 pm

According to that website, every color is satanic. Lets see... you mentioned purple... let me look it up...

Zonko

August 28th, 2002, 5:47 pm

Originally posted by symplet
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/images/cutedgeHP_01.jpg

Aren't unicorns discribed in SS as pure animals? :rolleyes:

:wow: Great! JK Rowling is now a sex addict! Why has ayone told me that before?

Didn't those occultist thought that a phoenix is just a myth?? It's just a METAPHOR, that's all! It shouldn't be taken literally! If anyone sets their birds on fire and then see a head popping out of the ashes, please gimme a call!!! (a bird head only, because if it's a human one, don't call me, call 911 instead!)

Lol wai 911 has an eleven in it better not do that honestly the people that thinks these things up oh there funny
Some people really need to get a life... :angel: :elaugh:

Laura Patil

August 28th, 2002, 6:03 pm

Yeah with the unicorn thing... In medieval times, were unicorns kind of part of religion? I'm not sure, i've seen a tapestry or something with them. And unicorns are pure! The one in the picture looks more like a monster than a unicorn. *Continues to ramble on until everyone just stops listening to her*

edit: I was just at the site again, on the color page, and they mention every color! scarlet, red, dark red, crimson, deep blood red, orange, yellow, green, aquamarine, royal blue, lilac maroon, and purple. So I suppose whoever wrote that website only wears the colors black and white? Oh, excuse me, black must be Satanic. Then they only wear white. Wow, that would be funny, you'd be able to see their underwear through their clothes all the time. :rotfl:

daniel4hp

August 29th, 2002, 1:55 am

Yep, every color's evil because its on the Celtic Tree Calander or has some connection to one of the Signs of the Zodiak...:rolleyes:

owl post 1992

August 31st, 2002, 12:05 am

i want to see a pink and orange devil. wasn't Joseph and the Amazing techni-colour dream coat based on the bible or some other book:??: then wasn't his coat lovly and evil:grumble:

Laura Patil

August 31st, 2002, 12:19 am

AAAAAA don't mention that musical!

Joseph was an unimportant slave... that's all I know, it's driving me crazy... Well I know another verse.

owl post 1992

August 31st, 2002, 1:47 am

i used to be able to sing it :help::grumble:

Of course, a Christian would be immediately alerted to this turn of events because soon a supernaturally powerful global leader will demand everyone on earth take some sort of a mark in exactly this place on the body.

help me i have a scare on my forehead not HP related i was a dangerous child and knocked myself out:'( i am not bad just dangerous to know:devil:

daniel4hp

August 31st, 2002, 2:29 am

The musical Joseph and the Amazing Techni-color Dream Coat was originally based on Joseph of the Bible who started out as a slave but soon rose to power in Egypt. From what I know, the musical is somewhat different than the Biblical account, however.

owl post 1992

September 1st, 2002, 12:08 am

of course Jopshe is not the real thing imagine people bursting into song i would run scared :grumble:

Qeomash

September 21st, 2002, 9:58 pm

I was wondering if anyone knew more of the absurd thing that people are saying about the Harry Potter books. I mean all those people who claim that it's making refrence to the devil, etc. etc.

Here are the few that I know of:
1. The "lightning scar" is a refrence to a symbol used by Hitler on some banners that was a lightning bolt that was actually half of the Nazi Swastica.
2. The broomstick was a symbol of evil. (I can't remeber exactly what they claimed it was from.)

I'm sure there are more, though.

Seshet

September 21st, 2002, 10:39 pm

Beware the broomstick....it's evil I tells ye! It's eat your soul, then make your floors clean! It has eeeeeeeerie powers!

JenBluffheid

September 21st, 2002, 11:03 pm

Hehe. I want more of those warnings; they make me laugh like an idiot.

I don't know many. There was something about Harry going to Hogwarts when he was 11. The devil's numer or something. Then 33 was triple it. :lol: Cracked me up!

Qeomash

September 22nd, 2002, 2:47 am

Oh yea...here's another one:

3. A mark will appear on someone's forehead when the devil is to come to Earth.

Hmm...my firend's little brother has a birthmark on his forhead...maybe they're right...Though he's twelve and hasn't gotten a letter saying this:

Mr. Green
Room Beside The Kitchen
712 Wagon Wheel Dr
Wagon Wheel

Tarawyn

September 22nd, 2002, 4:09 am

There was one particular site that preached the evils of green and attempted to argue that Slytherin, whose House color was green, was the only House whose colors were mentioned. Right.

That was without preaching the evils of every single color in existence. Seriously. Red, white, yellow, blue...all evil colors. If you like these colors, you'll go to hell.

Strange how these people's minds work, isn't it?

Cat

September 22nd, 2002, 5:21 pm

Originally posted by Qeomash
Oh yea...here's another one:

3. A mark will appear on someone's forehead when the devil is to come to Earth.

I think that'd be the digits of 666 - a number which looks nothing like a bolt of lightning.

I don't know how people can be such twerps. If they applied their wild imaginations more productively they could almost be literate. I dread to think how many children have been turned away from Christianity by their methods. Most certainly more than the Harry Potter books ever could.

triki1988

September 22nd, 2002, 6:48 pm

There is this kid at my school that has 3 periods with me. One day I talked about Harry Potter and he said it went against his religion (he' christian) cos it was about the devil...come on, JK Rowling only mixed folklore with history and her imagination for god's sake!

Morgoth

September 22nd, 2002, 8:47 pm

Yes, apparently Satan is using Harry Potter to corrupt us all and turn us into his loyal followers blah blah blah blah... If these people had half a life, it would be a waste.

Tinkie

September 22nd, 2002, 9:03 pm

oh yes and i never told you that i cant enter a church anymore...

Manyasha

September 22nd, 2002, 9:08 pm

Originally posted by Tinkie
oh yes and i never told you that i cant enter a church anymore...
:wow: Are you kidding?! Tell me you are!!! It's auwful, it really is. :no:

Tarawyn

September 22nd, 2002, 9:31 pm

Okay. This is it. Tinkie, I won't say anything insulting your area...but I think everyone has figured out my opinion. Banning you from church? How can they do that? That's...that's...that's...

Once again, I'd like to see an attempt at banning the books over here. It's nice living in a place where no one thinks alike. Very nice.

Manyasha

September 22nd, 2002, 9:49 pm

I can't express how I love our Eastern Orthodox Church.:angry: I'm not generalising, it's just that some habits and poeple drive me crazy.

1moreWeasley

September 22nd, 2002, 10:10 pm

yeah. I've heard all that crap. I also heard that the books HAD to be evil b/c J.K. Rowling studied witchcraft and mythology when she was younger. AND that she wanted to be a witch when she was little. Well I was taught witchcraft and mythology in school AND I wanted to be SHe-Ra...what of it? I am so sick of these people that think kids are idiots. They are the idiotic ones. Children are not as dumb as people think they are. I still say, if any kid reads Harry Potter and thinks that he ot she can fly on a broomstick, that's the parents' fault if they get hurt. not J.K. Rowling. She did not write the book for kids, she just wrote it. She is not responsible for the children of the world. People need to get over it. If we're going to start in on Harry Potter then let's add in The Wizard of Oz and EVERY Disney film ever made.
Hmmm...sorry I ranted. But it was a good release.

Casey:banghead:

triki1988

September 23rd, 2002, 1:47 am

yeh...I get it how you feel.
What I don't get is why Manyasha got banned from church!! that's just horrible!! are they crazy?? have they no compassion!? come ON, if you were banned from church cos of Harry Potter, I don't get it why the people at my church don't come and get me with guns and try to kill me at night.

owl post 1992

September 23rd, 2002, 2:32 am

i remember the site with the evil colours and i found it amusing i like purple and it said it was evil i can't remember why now but it was dead amusing the things people do for attention :rolleyes: i don't mind Christians because they can think what they want :) even if Sunday shopping is bad (sorry off topic)

Manyasha

September 23rd, 2002, 12:31 pm

Originally posted by triki1988
[B]yeh...I get it how you feel.
What I don't get is why Manyasha got banned from church!! /B]
Actually, I'm not banned (I just don't go there). Tinkie was banned.;) I said so because both me and Tinkie are Eastern Orthodox.

Hermione

September 23rd, 2002, 11:40 pm

its amazing how stupid people can be. if most of the people who say that Harry Potter is "the work of the devil" :rotfl: had actually bothered to read one of the books they would see that Harry Potter books have christian references in them. they're all just abunch of constipated, idiots that over react to anything not in the norm for them. I have some friends that if i even mention Harry Potter the just go :wow: and i get this uneasy silence and i see no reason for it after all they are just stories.

JoFaye

September 23rd, 2002, 11:55 pm

I wonder if all the people who watched "Bewitched" are now
members of covens?

Please contact me if you are. I need to get out more.
Meet new people. Learn to see evil everywhere. Imagine
all the adrenaline rushes they get.

triki1988

September 24th, 2002, 12:09 am

originally posted by Manyasha:
Actually, I'm not banned (I just don't go there). Tinkie was banned. I said so because both me and Tinkie are Eastern Orthodox.

:o oops...hehe, sorry there..but that still sucks for Tinkie though...don't let me get anywhere near your preacher then, cos I'm going to be considered an urban legend since I'm a HUGE HP fan, hence, I'll be the 666!!!

cbjedi

September 24th, 2002, 12:55 am

'If we're going to start in on Harry Potter then let's add in The Wizard of Oz and EVERY Disney film ever made.'

The Wizard of Oz and Alice in Wonderland has been banned from some school systems actually. :rolleyes:

Anyway I can't speak too badly about the weirdos that say that Harry Potter is satanic. If it wasn't for one of those guys I would never have gotten into it.

Last year, there was a guy at the jedi council who was always going on about how Harry Potter is satanic, and how it's corrupting children ect, ect. Well before he started going on and on about it I was completely indifferent to Harry Potter. Finally one day I was buying a magazine at 7-11, and saw a huge display case for all of the Harry Potter books there. I figured what the hell, I've got to see what this nutter is on about. I bought PS, read it in the span of a night and haven't looked back. :D

Anyway a month later when I had read all four books twice, and bought each one of JKR's books twice, one set (the hardcover boxed set) just for having and another set (the paperbacks) for reading I PMed this guy and thanked him for introducing me to the wonderful world of Harry Potter. I told him that if it wasn't for him I would have never read the entire series three times over and bought two copies of all of JKR's books. :p

I could tell he was fuming, but he never had the guts to flame me because I was still a mod at the time and could have deleted all his posts. :D :devil:

harrypotterfan1025

September 24th, 2002, 5:14 am

Those morons just think that you'll go to hell if u read a book with anythink that is supposed to refer to the devil,i.e. witchcraft, except the bible

owl post 1992

September 24th, 2002, 10:58 pm

well they have a black and white world oh wait black and white are evil run people little black and white stipped rabbits are taking over the world :mustdash: :mustdash: :mustdash: :help: :scared:

Sirius Black

September 25th, 2002, 11:48 am

Originally posted by Manyasha
Actually, I'm not banned (I just don't go there). Tinkie was banned.;) I said so because both me and Tinkie are Eastern Orthodox.

But how did they know that she read harry potter? SHe went in there bluffing that she was harry potter crazy and about how much she liked it and how good harry was at broomsticks?:??:

Seshet

September 26th, 2002, 12:29 am

Well, everyone seems to be in favor of Harry Potter here (I can't IMAGINE why). So to liven up the conversation, I shall play devil's advocate. er....." True Christian Against The Evil Harry Potter."

Ahem.

Harry Potter is corrupting the children! Josephine K. Roolings books are specifically aimed towards directing children to the devil! Haven't you noticed that the number of points on his lightning bolt (6) times his age at the time he entered school (11) times the number of pixels in frame #587 on the tip of the "P" in "Harry Potter" (10) is 666, THE DEVIL'S OWN NUMBER?? EH? EH? *sniffs self righteously*

You are all going to Heck for you involvement of this arcane and eeeeevilll fantasy.

OrioCookie

September 26th, 2002, 1:14 am

If people are going to obbsess over something they might as well obsess over something they like.

dreamingfifi

September 27th, 2002, 3:01 am

Yes, I must agree, It's increadably funny when wackos go and make a website condemming anything and everything, or what ever came first to their hands, to the devil.

What if the first thing that came to hand was a...LEMON!!!! Let's see, it is green when unripe, it's allways sour, and comes from the place above your head!(sometimes) Obviously made of the devil! Hmpf.

Such people should smoke that stuff later, when they don't have a computer at hand. We should just ignor them, and let their silly raves be ignored. If you are determined enough, you could turn anything into a devil worshipping object.

I have never heard of anyone that actually worshipped the devil. Being accused of it? Yes. But actually worshipping the devil? No. I think the closest thing to worshipping the devil is accusing anything and everything of being of the devil.

By the way, I just joined! Hi everyone!

Peace,^_^
dreamingfifi

Qeomash

September 27th, 2002, 4:36 am

Oh man...I knew there were some fanatical about his, but I didn't know it went that far! For cryin' in the mud, did anyone scream at Star Wars for creating a society of people who use a magic? It's a :censored: book! And it's gotten millions of children, who would otherwise be doing drugs and burning this down, to READ! If that's satanic and burning things isn't...:wacky:

Sirius Black

September 27th, 2002, 1:03 pm

Why do they bother. They are against for some reason. It gets me so pissed and worked up. What about the narnian chronicles and Lord Of The Rings, no one ever fussed about that, why fuss over this?

Fuchsia

September 27th, 2002, 6:01 pm

If I read HP a couple of more times I will know Satan enough to tell you his favorite color is yellow. But that is just my hunch.

Oh but I do know some fanatics who did go against Star Wars.
My uncle thinks that it is evil and would not let me watch any sci-fi in his house.

owl post 1992

September 28th, 2002, 12:36 am

Star Wars for creating a society of people who use a magic?

they use the Force not magic :rasp: anywaz what about little black and white killer rabbits taking over the world i think that evil enough (i blame my cat for being evil)

hpg2007

October 26th, 2002, 7:55 am

Like every boay where i live i anti-potter and 8i don't get that. how can ytou not like him with that adorable little scar and green eyes. *bad thoughts* any way every says that it is stupid there is no turth in it. It is evil.

well i refuse to be upset by these insults Harry is rael and only Vol.....sorry you-know-who and his death-eaters are evil.

Hermione

October 27th, 2002, 10:19 pm

i have to come to the conclusion that most anti-potter have no reason to hate the books but if they wish to remain small mind then so be it, just go on with life and if you want to make a point to them about it I have a solution, on Halloween dress up as a witch or wizard and hit them up for candy!! At least they'll know that it doesn't matter what they say you, you will hold true to your beliefs.

Adios los muchachos!!!

JoFaye

October 28th, 2002, 5:59 pm

We will all be plagued by stupid people our entire lives.
We might as well start dealing with it now.

Daily Propheter

October 29th, 2002, 12:31 am

A couple questions... How can a mother dying to save her child be construed as Satanic?? And for a second time, Quirrel (a personification of all evil) couldn't touch Harry (a personification of good) because of, say it together everyone, his mother's LOVE!!!! Oh no, look out everybody, Love is Satanic!!! Why are the simplest things, like a scar (which by the way is an alarm for when evil is around/being planned/etc) , and a broomstick seen as evil??? Oh no, people can't clean their houses anymore, cuz using a broom will make you go to hell!!! Come on... I mean, I get where they're coming from and everything, like everyone's entitled to their opinions and whatever, but brooms being evil??? Puh-lease!!! Also, one of the main underlying messages in JKR's writing is Love, another Friendship... you know, I never saw those as evil things!!! How many times have Ron/Harry/Hermione risked their lives to save one another??? Harry Potter books aren't teaching kids to be evil, or that Witchcraft is good... they are teaching kids about Love and Friendship and sticking up for your friends and learning from your mistakes and much much more. I'm betting that all these people who write this HP is thouroughly evil crap have never even half-glanced at the books and are just saying this to put down something that's so popular. One suggestion to those people... Read the books, see for yourself, and then tell me about how Harry Potter is satanic.

Ok rant over...

JoFaye

October 29th, 2002, 12:36 am

I'm worried about myself, because I watched
all those "Bewitched" reruns and never once felt
the urge to join a coven or worship the devil.

JoFaye

October 29th, 2002, 12:43 am

Sorry, wasn't done. Seriously if someone says something
to me at the library about HP I ask,

"Are you offended by the works of the brothers Grimm?
Do you object to Disney Cartoons? Did you ever watch
Bewitched?"

This whole thing is so out of proportion.

Qeomash

October 29th, 2002, 2:15 am

I agree. There are people in this world who just need something to hate. And a little boy with a scar seemes hateable enough.

Sirius Black

October 29th, 2002, 12:27 pm

Maybe they just like to do something different from most of the people to show off. I bet 75% people like Hp while 25% don't. People go over to the other side to be extraoridinary and boast about it.

Hermione

October 30th, 2002, 2:24 am

oh no, I've passed over to the dark side because i read harry potter!!! will I go to hell too?
sorry, but why pick a fictional character to hate when hating a real person feels soooo good.(so what i have issues, at least i admit it)!!! honestly you should try it some time it really help you vent. anyways back to the subject,why is it people hate what they don't understand.

Jedi Wizard

October 30th, 2002, 10:36 pm

I happen to be a Christian, and I think these fanatics need a serious dose of reality. I've read some things that made me crack up instead of taking them seriously, such as:

1. Harry's eyes are green, which is the color of the devil, so Harry is evil. Er, excuse me sir, have you read Revelation? One of the stones on the gates of the New Jerusalem is an Emerald.

2. Harry Potter teaches that there is no good and evil, all is objective. Erm, no. VOLDEMORT says that. It's like saying that the Bible is evil because some parts include Satan attempting to decieve people.

3. The spells in Harry Potter are real Wiccan incantations. First off, I'm don't know anything about Wicca, but I DO know that the spells are either English words that have been fiddled with, or Latin derivatives.

That's all I could think of now. Christians also seem to miss the HUGE Biblical parallel in the HP books. A cookie to anyone who gets it.

JoFaye

October 30th, 2002, 10:45 pm

The spells also require a real, working magic wand.

Unless the shopping is WAAAAAAAAAAY better where
you are than it is here, you're out of luck.

Jedi Wizard

October 30th, 2002, 10:49 pm

Oooh, come on, you don't know what I'm talking about? It's even mentioned in this thread!

JoFaye

October 30th, 2002, 10:57 pm

I'm just saying there is no reason to be
afraid of the spells in the book. Even if you
are crazy enough to think they might be
real, you're children are in no danger of making
them work.

I've heard these people insist over and over
that there is real witchcraft in these books.

That's all I meant.

Fleur

October 31st, 2002, 1:05 am

I'd LOVE to know where these people get thier specific information from the book (That's beacuse if they probably read it, they would wind up liking it, and going over to the dark side)

Oh, have you heard that Harry's lightning bolt scar is really a satanic 'S' ?!
Its funny that all these people with their Anti-Potter sites read all this occult information and quote it, even, but won't even have the Harry Potter quotes correct.
Ah, I get a good laugh when I read these sites.

Moe

October 31st, 2002, 4:05 am

I am a Christian and I love the Harry Potter Books..whats wrong with that?

Many people are takeing it out of proportion. The HP books are books of FICTION...they are books of make believe. A world where we can let our minds run wild with imagineation. A world that where we can enter and feel safe from reality.

Many people do not agree with HP beacause they believe it preaches the devil and witchcraft (what a load of BS!!)...I have asked them if they have read the books and they say NO. Well how can they make a judgement with out knowing all the facts? All they see is witchcraft and magic and go "Oh No! It's evil lets ban it". If these people want to ban HP books, well lets start by banning these as well:

1) The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe - Witchcraft
2) The Lord Of The Rings - Witchcraft (NOTE: J.R.R Tolkien was a practicing CHRISTIAN for goodness sake.)
3) The Wizard Of Oz - Witchcraft
4) Almost every Disney movie; and
5) Almost every Brother Grmm and Hans Christian Anderson stories.

I could keep going but I want, one you mentions these people seem to shut up but if the dont they just try and argue that those listed are "different". How are they different? You say HP teached witchcraft, well those books listed contain elements of witchcraft. So therefore they are the same. Am I not correct?

It seems to me is that all they want to do is ban something that they dont agree with. How can they not agree with there children reading? Using there imagaination? And enjoying them selves? I really think some people have rocks in there heads.

In reply to Jedi Wizard's question of parallel teaching in the bible and HP: Lili Potter sacricfied her self so the Harry might live, Jesus did the same. Jesus died on the cross so that we might live. Dumbledore tells Harry, "To have been loved so deeply, even though the person who loved us is gone, will give us some protection forever." After reading this, Christian youth have come to a better understanding of Christ's sacrifice.

Cheers;
Moe

Jedi Wizard

October 31st, 2002, 7:55 pm

DINGDINGDING!
Moe gets a cookie!

(gives cookie to Moe)

Fuchsia

November 1st, 2002, 10:15 am

I tried to fly when I was a small child. I'd jump off my mom's record player and hold my arms out. It never worked. I told everyone I was a witch and would basically do the head crusher thing from Kids in the Hall as my power. My grandpa encouraged me.

As long as they don't jump off the roof holding onto a broomstick.
But then it is the fault of the parent for not teaching their kid
common sense.

The fantatics are upset about Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
It landed on their worst list this year. Number one I think?
I think it has something to do with being marketed towards teens/children. Oh my god Buffy had sex with Angel what are we going to do? Willow has powers oh no!
Their arguement that it teaches kids that magic/witches solve all problems is ridiculous. Harry and Willow have a whole school of problems to deal with. Buffy has too many problems.

It is weird how they pick which show/book/movie to spearhead their campaigns for butts in seats so they can rake in more cash to drive exspensive cars. There will *always* be something.
And anybody can publish their views on the internet.

I hold freedom of speech very dear. But it brings up wether we see children as equals and do they have the right to read whatever they want?
Church and state seperate? Public schools banning books?
They have the right to preach it is evil but it is a shame that they get to decide for the kids.
My mom always let me read whatever I wanted just as long as I was reading. Thank goodness.
This thread makes me appreciate what I had.
The parents should be happy that their kids want to read.

Children *always always* come up into this arguement. Do they ever say that adults shouldn't read the books? I've never heard it.
Charmed isn't the head of a campaign for a church.
I never once heard it mentioned in my uncles church and boy did they talk about HP a lot.

*I'm sorry if I'm bringing up general HP religious controversies in this thread that weren't part of the original thread. It is hard to seperate my train of thought.

Daily Propheter

November 10th, 2002, 8:47 pm

As the movie's coming out in a few days, a newspaper did an article about it, and one of the things they did (obviously) was interview the people in the movie. Jason Isaacs (aka Lucius Malfoy) said something I think really applies...
"What's important about [JKR's] work is that it has a moral core. She addresses ... timeless values of loyalty and friendship and bravery" ... "Harry's not some kind of fearless, swash-buckling hero. He's a scared little boy, but he does what he has to do to protect his friends." ..."What makes [JKR's] writing great is that she clearly is tapping into universal things we wrestle with all the time - things having to do with loyalty and friendship... We all want to have friends as close as [Harry, Ron and Hermione]."

Also, there's something else that my mum pointed out to me, that was taken from the Bible. At Christmas time in Book 4, Trelawny's superstition over the whole Thirteen people at the table thing, that was the same as the Last Supper. Except that, in Harry Potter, the 1st person to get up would have bad luck. (In the Bible the first person to get up was Judas, and he left to go betray Jesus, if memory serves.)

Inkwolf

November 10th, 2002, 9:39 pm

Originally posted by Daily Propheter
At Christmas time in Book 4, Trelawny's superstition over the whole Thirteen people at the table thing, that was the same as the Last Supper. Except that, in Harry Potter, the 1st person to get up would have bad luck. (In the Bible the first person to get up was Judas, and he left to go betray Jesus, if memory serves.)

Oooooh, more evidence for the theory that Ron will betray Harry! :D

Qeomash

November 11th, 2002, 12:23 am

Inkwolf, how do we know Harry didn't get up first?

Anyway, I still chuckle over the whole thing that Satan will come to Earth and all the little Potterites will be his followers. The only way that would work is if he came as a skinny boy and promised magic and Bertie-Bot's Every Flavor Beans.

Hermione

November 11th, 2002, 1:18 am

i thought that Harry and Ron stood up at the same time. anyways, my advice to the "Harry Potter is evil!" people is to get a life!!! Its just a book series and they must be hypocritics since most let their children watch Disney movies that includes all of them with fairies and evil curses. if they want to protest something why not Disney movies?

Cat

November 11th, 2002, 1:24 am

Originally posted by Daily Propheter

Also, there's something else that my mum pointed out to me, that was taken from the Bible. At Christmas time in Book 4, Trelawny's superstition over the whole Thirteen people at the table thing, that was the same as the Last Supper. Except that, in Harry Potter, the 1st person to get up would have bad luck. (In the Bible the first person to get up was Judas, and he left to go betray Jesus, if memory serves.)

The thirteen-people-at-the-table thing is a real superstition. I didn't know that's where it came from!

Cort326

November 11th, 2002, 2:54 am

I think that most people who slam HP are just ignorant to the fact that there can be other things that interest people beside what they like. I am go to chruch, and believe in God and everything, but i find absolutly NOTHING wrong with HP. They are some of the most imaginative and creative storied i have ever read. I can't stand these closed minded people, who have nothing better to do with their lives then critisize others. I think that JKR is one of the best authors around! When will people learn that being different is ok?

*Sorry for going of like that, but reading all the post got me all riled up*:o

Hannibal "Drax" Lecter

November 11th, 2002, 7:27 am

I have dark green eyes. I must be evil and on my way to hell.

:devil:

lanifiel

November 11th, 2002, 7:39 am

Religion is a powerful thing. People are scared of the popularity and feelings these books can evoke in those that read them. They see such a thing as competition to their God, and therefore a danger. I'm no longer religious (very long story), but one of the many reasons for leaving that world behind is things like this. The concept that such a work of perfection as the Harry Potter books could ever be considered as 'endorsing witch craft and belief in the Occult' is so amazingly ludicrous that I'm surprised the judge did not fall down laughing when he heard about it.

Anyway, I feel rather strongly about this matter and know that if I continue to talk I will degrade into a Rant, so I'll just stop here...

^_^

Kchelle05

November 11th, 2002, 5:36 pm

Originally posted by triki1988
There is this kid at my school that has 3 periods with me. One day I talked about Harry Potter and he said it went against his religion (he' christian) cos it was about the devil...come on, JK Rowling only mixed folklore with history and her imagination for god's sake!

LOL....I personally don't know where some people come up with this stuff. I am a christian also and I find nothing wrong with Harry Potter. It is a child's book full of mystical imagination. God forbid anyone have imagination. Who do these people think gave Jk Rowling the ability to write this way. LOl some people just really get me rolling with laughter.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

JoFaye

November 18th, 2002, 6:53 pm

Ask them if they object to:
1. Disney Cartoons
2. The Brothers Grimm
3. Bewitched

I have survived all of these things without
becoming a devil worshiper.

DanaKM

November 20th, 2002, 12:15 am

Well, for all those people here supporting Harry, why don't you go to my site:

http://www.geocities.com/expectopatronum_savehp

and join my "Expecto Patronum: Save Harry" clique :clappy:

xicanti

November 20th, 2002, 1:11 am

Originally posted by Moe
1) The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe - Witchcraft

Personally, I always think it's a bit silly for schools and groups to want to ban C.S. Lewis' work because it contains the word "witch" in the title of one of the books. I don't know how many others here have read his stuff, but the "Chronicles of Narnia", at any rate, are Christian allegory.

As for the whole HP thing...

I did a huge research project on HP last year for a Fiction For Children class, and I read all sorts of strange things. One page said that the lightning bolt on Harry's forehead was actually a 6. Nevermind the fact that lightning bolts and sixes look nothing alike, it was a 6.

I also read some really unexpected articles about GOOD things happening between churches and Harry Potter, though. I read about one Catholic school that had set up a little Hogwarts in one corner of their chapel so that the kids could learn about scriptures via comparisons to the things that Harry and his friends do in the books. I thought that was a really good idea, since when you really look at them so many of the qualities that're praised in the books are things that the Christian religion also praises.

I think these things are all what you make of them. If you're determined to see evil in something, then you'll see it. Personally, though, I think that Catholic school had the right idea. If you look for the good things in books like these, which kids are bound to be exposed to anyways, then you'll get a lot farther.

lanifiel

November 20th, 2002, 1:52 am

Originally posted by xicanti
I also read some really unexpected articles about GOOD things happening between churches and Harry Potter, though. I read about one Catholic school that had set up a little Hogwarts in one corner of their chapel so that the kids could learn about scriptures via comparisons to the things that Harry and his friends do in the books. I thought that was a really good idea, since when you really look at them so many of the qualities that're praised in the books are things that the Christian religion also praises.

See now this is the kind of stuff we never hear about because its really not news worthy, its a real shame too because its a good idea. I'm not religious but I'm sure it would be alot more fun for kids if they can really relate it to things they enjoy and experience in their lives.

Thanks xicanti, I enjoyed that story alot!!

^_^

rotsiepots

November 20th, 2002, 2:16 am

Just for reference's sake, people who claim that broomsticks are evil and referring to the phallic symbolism within the HP books. I've read quite a few essays that state HP is evil because of the abundance of phallic symbols; broomsticks, wands, snakes, swords, even unicorns!

It takes a strange mind to work that way...

lanifiel

November 20th, 2002, 4:25 am

Not to mention all the parents who think girls should not be riding broomsticks. I mean heck, you have to warped just to come up with that!

(No I will not explain it)

JoFaye

November 20th, 2002, 6:25 pm

Broomsticks, huh? I'll just wait for nice wizard with a good sense of
humor and a good bottle of red wine to come along.

DarlingChild

November 20th, 2002, 9:55 pm

I think that people who spend their time thinking of different ways to hate Harry Potter need to get a freakin' life. If liking HP meant going to hell then I'd still like it, lol. These people need to find something else to crusade against...there are millions of starving children all over the world...crusade for them. But hey, knowing these loonies they'd prolly say that Harry Potter is causing children to go hungry because its EVIL. Right. Get real.

Daily Propheter

November 20th, 2002, 10:03 pm

...there are millions of starving children all over the world...crusade for them.

Exactly. How much money/time are these people devoting to this Anti-Potter crusade?? Honestly, if they actually put as much effort into other things, like charities or something similar, it'd be a lot more helpful.

Puffskein

November 24th, 2002, 9:02 pm

It's all ridiculous. The HP series is totally moral. Some people just want to kick up a stink because it doesn't teach morality in their own narrow-minded way.

Qeomash

November 24th, 2002, 10:27 pm

For the first time in my life (and probably the last), I'm on CoS and am working on homework...

We have to do an argumentation essay, and guess what I decided to argue... I'll try and send it off to the Lexicon if it's any good.

JoFaye

November 25th, 2002, 5:24 pm

I say what is wrong with parents doing their job. If you believe it is wrong for your children to read HP. Fine. Take care of it. But you do not have a right to decide for me what I can read.

lanifiel

November 25th, 2002, 8:15 pm

Exactly! Most books have an inherrent value of worth that can only be found by the right person reading them. I believe there are books that no one should read and yet I will never take that choice away from people, I mean Tek-War is the kind of thing that will make people want to just go out and hurt oithers...

^_^

JoFaye

November 25th, 2002, 8:19 pm

I see no value in sooo many books, but I never judge library patrons by what they read. A person who reads anything at all even (ugh) romance is generally more interesting than someone who doesn't read.
I don't want to make your choices for you, but I don't want someone to try to make mine for me.

Pastor Potter

November 25th, 2002, 8:50 pm

I agree JoFaye. I had to write this article on censorship and I interviewed the head of the library at Virginia Tech and he said, "There are many books I would never read, but I would take a bullet for the right to read them."

JoFaye

November 25th, 2002, 8:59 pm

A true Librarians Credo. I couldn't have said it better or agree more.

Inkwolf

November 26th, 2002, 12:25 am

Just out of curiosity, where did they get the idea that green is Satan's favorite color? Reminds me of the witch trial in BlackAdder II...

Does that make grass, trees, and vegetables demonic?

JoFaye

November 26th, 2002, 12:26 am

I've never head that before. Where did you hear it?

lanifiel

November 26th, 2002, 12:48 am

Satans favorite color is Green? And here I keep buying him Blue hotpants!!

^_^

JoFaye

November 26th, 2002, 12:57 am

But you look so deliciou...............I mean sweet.

lanifiel

November 26th, 2002, 1:02 am

You know we are a bad influence on these people, faire girl ^_^

Inkwolf

November 26th, 2002, 1:23 am

Originally posted by JoFaye
I've never head that before. Where did you hear it?

It was on the website mentioned at the beginning of this thread. I tried to read all the reasons the first book was supposedly evil. The site claims that green is Satan's favorite color, and Herry's green eyes represent the mark of Satan. (Not to mention the occasional emerald cloak.) The site also claims that Slytherin's official color is green, and that JKR conveniently doesn't mention the colors of the other houses. Shows how carefully they read the book.

I couldn't get through more than the gripes about Book One. Trying to make their arguments into logic gave me an honest headache.

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Witchsmeller "...and we all know that carrots are the devil's favorite food!"

Lord Percy "No we don't. I mean, if it's true, wouldn't it be mentioned in the Bible? Why doesn't it say 'And Satan took the Lord to the top of an high mountain and offered him a carrot'?"

Witchsmeller "WITCH!!! WITCH!!! WITCH!!!"

_Blackadder II, The Witchsmeller Pursuivant

Qeomash

November 26th, 2002, 3:48 am

In doing my research for the before mentioned essay, I ran across this (http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract7.html) website. It scared me how much we have been influenced....and how stupid the human race can be.

After reading that, don't you just want to burn all you HP books, LotR, Narnia books, etc?

lanifiel

November 26th, 2002, 3:57 am

ROFL, thats a good one!! It's hard to believe what some people are capable of saying and doing for their religion...

^_^

Inkwolf

November 26th, 2002, 8:59 am

OMG, Queomash, the guy who wrote that's from my home state! :wow: And I thought the biggest loonies were down South... (Ducks all the thrown grits and corn pone.)

Fuchsia

November 26th, 2002, 9:01 am

I'm going to make you eat a crow pie for that!

lanifiel

November 26th, 2002, 9:05 am

mmm crow...

Inkwolf

November 26th, 2002, 9:14 am

Hee, hee....

Again, under the 'huh?' category--

Harry also learns a new vocabulary, including words such as "Azkaban", "Circe", "Draco", "Erised", "Hermes", and "Slytherin"; all of which are names of real devils or demons. These are not characters of fiction!

What the hey? Where do they get this stuff? Circe was a sorceress from the Odyssey (and is mentioned in the books, like, once?) Draco means Snake or Dragon in Latin, Erised is just Desire spelled backwards, Hermes was a minor Greek god. Is there a phone listing of demons names somewhere you can check in?

But then, what do I know, I'm cursed for all eternity for having played Dungeons and Dragons as a kid...ah, I still remember the Christian anti-articles from then. I remember it being stressed that we played the game using 'HEX paper!!!' conveniently never explaining that it's just graph paper marked out in hexagons for more accurate diagonal movement.....

lanifiel

November 26th, 2002, 9:16 am

Originally posted by Inkwolf
Is there a phone listing of demons names somewhere you can check in?

Theres not a phone listing but I have a database of all demons names if you want one, I have... interesting friends...

^_^

Fuchsia

November 26th, 2002, 9:19 am

I just took the demons phone numbers off of an Aids walk list.
I got names for my future pets off of there.
Their parents sure are original. No Sarahs and Johns for them. There won't be 5 Amandas in THEIR fifth grade class.

Hermione

November 26th, 2002, 3:31 pm

Anti-Potter people are just a bunch of looneys who make stuff up to try and prove their point (Green, Satin's favorite color).

Inkwolf, be prepared to eat those grits and corn prone!!!

Dobby

November 26th, 2002, 8:42 pm

Yes, Anti-Potter people are usually Christians.

I go to a Christian school, kids love HP but their parents hate them.
This girl I knew, we had a gift exchange, and she got the 1st HP book, and her parents found out and they burned the book.

I know a whole bunch of parents who hates Harry Potter because it's all about magic and stuff; I feel sorry for the kids, they can't watch the movie and read books.

I don't see anything wrong with it, my dad is really really Christian too but he loves watching the HP movie. It's not like they actually teach you how to be a witch or something....

lanifiel

November 26th, 2002, 9:01 pm

Originally posted by Dobby

I go to a Christian school, kids love HP but their parents hate them.
This girl I knew, we had a gift exchange, and she got the 1st HP book, and her parents found out and they burned the book.

Thats just sick, who burns a book these days, thats just wrong man...

Gandalf

November 26th, 2002, 9:24 pm

The things people think of are incredibly stupid. I'm not religious (go Darwin, not trying to start a religion vs. science war here, just stating my opinion) so all this gobbldegook and jibberish about Harry Potter being evil and the servent of the Devil doesn't really bother me. But it's still stupid

lanifiel

November 26th, 2002, 9:28 pm

See it bothers me because it is stupid, these people have so much energy and will power to throw against a childs book. I find myself stunned to the point of disbelief and yet, there it is, right in front of me.

Its mind numbing foolishness of such magnitude that the gods sigh in contempt...

Inkwolf

November 26th, 2002, 10:17 pm

I read some of the other tracts on that site, and they were interesting. :)

One thing I wonder about, is that both tracts on Halloween claim that the ancient druids made lanterns out of pumpkins.

Which is odd, since pumpkins come from America, and the ancient druids hadn't visited us yet, to my knowledge...

Qeomash

November 27th, 2002, 3:55 am

I'd heard that the Druids made pumpkin lanterns, but I never connected that, geographically speaking, couldn't. I just hope I get a good grade on that essay, since I felt I did pretty dang well...We'll see tomorrow!

violet

November 27th, 2002, 6:39 am

If anything... I see Harry as a Christ figure. Good over evil, choosing to do whats right and not succom to the darker forces. So, he uses magic. How many other classic children books out there have? almost EVERY one.

I want to know how many of those parents have actually read HP.

We had all the RLStine 'Goosebumps' books taken from my elementry school library- they were considered not 'constructive' enough. You know what? so many kids who had been reading those books stopped checking ANYTHING out at all. Stopped reading. Thats a GREAT message. Now, HP are leaps and bounds superior to 'Goosebumps' and are getting kids reading- what is the fuss?!?!

JoFaye

November 27th, 2002, 4:43 pm

Originally posted by Inkwolf
I read some of the other tracts on that site, and they were interesting. :)

One thing I wonder about, is that both tracts on Halloween claim that the ancient druids made lanterns out of pumpkins.

Which is odd, since pumpkins come from America, and the ancient druids hadn't visited us yet, to my knowledge...

The druids made their lanterns out of turnips. When the tradition came to America they found pumpkins much easier to carve and very abundant at Harvest Time.

Daily Propheter

November 27th, 2002, 8:24 pm

HP books inspired a whole generation into reading. I'd say about half my grade last year only read because they had to do it for school, and even then they almost never did it. Now that everyone's into HP, EVERYONE is reading, and of their own freewill!

God forbid anyone from wanting to read...

Qeomash

November 27th, 2002, 8:40 pm

Once, in Algebra II, the class and my teacher got into a discussion on this subject. He (the teacher) had gone to the city to watch it over the weekend, and my friends and I were talking about when it would come when it started. He and most all the students have read the books and know the Anti-Potter People are idiots.

lanifiel

November 27th, 2002, 8:53 pm

You can always tell an anti-potter person, they are the ones who never have any fun, no matter what you were doing...

Fuchsia

November 28th, 2002, 1:58 am

I want to say that statement is true but it's not.
I have fun with people who couldn't get past the first half of SS.

A B M

November 28th, 2002, 2:03 am

Originally posted by Qeomash
I was wondering if anyone knew more of the absurd thing that people are saying about the Harry Potter books. I mean all those people who claim that it's making refrence to the devil, etc. etc.

Here are the few that I know of:
1. The "lightning scar" is a refrence to a symbol used by Hitler on some banners that was a lightning bolt that was actually half of the Nazi Swastica.
2. The broomstick was a symbol of evil. (I can't remeber exactly what they claimed it was from.)

I'm sure there are more, though.

lol

that's just like the controversy that Star Wars came out and the 'racism' people noted. It's all garbage.

what's next? saying that Wizard of Oz was racist too? The Wicked Witch had a broom! her face was colored!

lol, people need to stop overlooking such little things.. my .02 cents

Qeomash

November 28th, 2002, 2:18 am

Some people said that Star Wars had racism? I know the Empire enslaved Wookies, but I didn't see anything more.

Originally posted by Fuchsia
I have fun with people who couldn't get past the first half of SS.

One of my friends hasn't read the books at all. He's seen the movie, so that's a start!

I've so far met only one person who was adamantly opposed to HP, and that person turned up a week later with several hex marks on his face.

...Actually, I just wanted to slap him every time I saw him. He was one of those stubborn people that only belives the first thing that he was told.

A B M

November 28th, 2002, 2:21 am

Quemash,

oh ya.. lots of controversy over Episode I..

It was all over the news. people were complaining about Jar Jar mainly. however it turned into a racist angle is besides me. go to like altavista, or google.. and type that in.. and I'm sure if you go through enough threads.. you will come across the racism that was noted on the movie.

CareBear

November 29th, 2002, 6:13 am

In HP some people think that wizard and witches are evil and no such material should be in a movie, but if you look at theses other movies they come out with they are so much worse. They think that HP is evil but what do they think about LOTR or about those movies like the ring and signs and stuff? do they think they are evil too? Man, these people need to come back down to earth.

Inkwolf

November 29th, 2002, 2:21 pm

I'm sure they think those are evil, too. But the reasons they would make Harry Potter a specific target are:
1. HP is aimed at children, and they can claim to be trying to protect them.

2. The Lord of the Rings has been around for a long time, no point in objecting to it now: they probably protested it back in the 60's until they were bored with being ignored.

3. Harry Potter is current and highly popular, which means protesting it puts them in the spotlight. Attention is what they really want. It's what most protestors want. That's why groups like PETA always find something more extreme to object to every year: if they really concentrated on eliminating the problems everyone agreed with them on, they wouldn't be able to make their big, rebel-against-society splash in the news.

Qeomash

November 30th, 2002, 4:18 am

Cole: I see dumb people.
Malcom: Dumb people like in school, flunking tests?
C: Walking around like regular people. They see only what they want to see. They're everwhere. They don't know they're dead.
M: How often do you see them?
C: All the time.

...That can easily be applied to this situation. Like I said before, some people needed something to fight against. A short kid with a scar on his forehead seems hateable enough. More so than some bearded guy who made others fly planes intop buildings. Protest something worthwhile!

ronweasleyismyhero

November 30th, 2002, 5:45 am

I've found that most anti-Potter people haven't even given the books a try and I think that's their problem - too scared to try something that billions seem crazed by....weirdos...they probably think it's a "fad" when Harry Potter is set to be a classic.

lanifiel

November 30th, 2002, 5:54 am

Think about it, if you've spent your life persecuting a book why would you read it? I mean you might actully like it and then where would you be?!?

^_^

Mickey

November 30th, 2002, 6:10 am

Originally posted by Inkwolf

What the hey? Where do they get this stuff? Circe was a sorceress from the Odyssey (and is mentioned in the books, like, once?) Draco means Snake or Dragon in Latin, Erised is just Desire spelled backwards, Hermes was a minor Greek god. Is there a phone listing of demons names somewhere you can check in?
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Draco was also a historical figure in ancient Greece, if memory serves. He was a very harsh lawgiver, hence the term "draconian" when applied to rules and regulations.

Of course, if we wanted to nitpick, you could also point out references to classical Greek and Roman mythology abound in books considered "classical literature," like Dante's "Inferno." I'd like to see someone argue *that* work is "un-Christian"! Satan and Judas are placed at the lowest rung of Hell, stuck in a big frozen lake.

I can't fathom someone wanting to burn a book because they disagree with its contents. Anyone read "Fahrenheit 451?" The imagery from that always springs to mind when I think about the effects of censorship.

Fuchsia

November 30th, 2002, 6:31 am

If I were a kid not allowed to read Harry Potter I think I would find a way and read it anyway. It would be even more appealing.
Not that I ever had to worry about that. My mom was very cool about books. I could read whatever I wanted.

Burning books that is just horrible.

SiriuslyBria

November 30th, 2002, 7:42 am

I've gotten two very neat books on this subject within the last week.

I am a Christian myself. I love God and :gasp: enjoy Harry Potter. How can I? I have family on the other hand that are Southern Baptists and they are against Harry Potter. They aren't book burning folk, but they belive HP is wrong and choose not to go there. Fine. I love them and I respect their choice.

However... having read the books, I know they aren't evil. If they WERE promoting black magic and such, you can bet I wouldn't read them or like them. But they aren't. They are fantasy, pure and simple. Still, my argumentive side keeps me interested in the topic. So I got library books on the dangers of Harry Potter.

Then recently I came across two titles on books by Christians for the series. This wasn't a surprise to me. I know I've read of pastors that approved of the books and such, but here were entire books on the subject. Needless to say, I had to pick them up.

I've read some of both. Really fascinating stuff. Now I will never go around arguing that the Harry Potter books are out to teach Christian morals. I really don't think they are. BUT.... just as people who go into the books look for things that aren't good and finding them, the same could be said for the opposite side. If you go into the books looking for gospel themes, you will find them. No doubt about it. From people sacrificing their lives for another out of love to good triumphing over evil, and many themes in between. :)