Will Ron go Bad?

[Myrddin]

I'm going to get pelted for this one, oh yes indeedy. Lots of replies like 'Ron is Harry's best friend - he'll never go bad' or 'Ron is in Gryffindor are you mad???'. I'm trying to instigate debate here. Hopefully the argument presented below is a little stonger than Dumbledore has a look of triumph ergo Dumbledore is evil.

OK. Here goes. This forum has spent a lot of time debating already whether or not Percy is bad egg in the Weasley brood, I suspect that maybe JKR is deliberately trying to mislead us on this one. Percy sets great store by rules, and I think that's what'll keep him good but ultimately hurt him. Neville has been setup to look like Wormtail, but I think we've seen through that one [I'll be very much surprised if we're wrong]. So I'd like to try and make a few points

(a) In my opinion Ron is the weakest of the trio. Both magically and in terms of character strength.
(b) Ron wants recognition above all else (Mirror of Erised scene). How far will he go to get it? And is jealous of (i) His brothers and (ii) Harry (GoF)
(c) The possibly looming love triangle between 'Harry, Ron and Hermione'. Ah, betrayal.
(d) Ron has his perdjudices (House elves) and spent the last two books in disagreement with Harry and Hermione in turn.

What do you think? A potential bad seed?

[Yurika Star]

I've been thinking Ron will go evil for ages. And someone agrees.
He wants everything Harry has really.
I think he will turn on Harry sometime in the futre, although it may be totaly misguided.
It'll be a nice twist.
I hope it happens.
I used to think it would be because of Hermione and the chance of Fame, but i want him to turn ^^

[hpangel102]

That might happen, but I think that Ron will do something he will regret later, and then realize it and return to the good side.

[Qeomash]

I don't think he'll intentionally help Voldemort, if that's what you're getting at. He may try someting that inadvertantly helps Voldie (possibly to get the better of his brothers), but he will never officially go over to the Dark Side.

[hpangel102]

Originally posted by Qeomash
I don't think he'll intentionally help Voldemort, if that's what you're getting at. He may try someting that inadvertantly helps Voldie (possibly to get the better of his brothers), but he will never officially go over to the Dark Side.

that's what I was trying to get at! ;) I agree

[nehaljetha]

i agree with qeomash ron has been set up as a character who lives in the shadow of his brothers .He might do some thing foolish to prove that he is better than them and unintentionally hurt harry or hermione.:evil: :bite:

[hpangel102]

I agree..... I think that would be a good twist in the books.....

[Yurika Star]

It will probably be one of those:

"Harry, I've done something really stupid" sobs Ron "I-I-I told [insert traitor here], he said it would be helpful, he said i'd be a hero. I'm sorry Harry"
Harry looks down at Ron, at first oversome with anger, then, seeing his friends sorowful look, and teary eyes, he embraces him. "It's ok. It doesn't matter. What ever happens we can fight it together" says Harry reasuringly.

Well, maybe the embrace sounded a bit dodgy, but who knows, thats wat may happen. And it may sound wrong, but i aint a FanFic writer :p

[Emma]

I really don't think that he'll turn bad, bad. He might just slip up alittle, fall by the wayside, get himself in trouble, I could go on and on. But in the end he'll be Harry's best friend.

[hpangel102]

I think Harry would have to be a little bit more mad about Rons doings.... and it would make the part longer.

[Mave]

Maybe he will get really mad at Harry and go bad, like peter did, but i dont know why he went bad.

[hpangel102]

I think that Ron would have to be more things other than just mad at Harry in order for him to go bad..... Maybe something happens inbetween Harry and Hermione, because we all know Ron likes her. Or perhaps, Hermione goes out with Krum, and Harry goes out with Ginny or Cho, and Ron feels left out because he has no one. Also, maybe one of his brothers succeeds at something, and Ron feels he is left in the shadows of his brothers, because he hasn't succeeded at anything yet. I think Ron would go to the bad side to get revenge for something other people did.

[Severely Snapped]

Wow, I never even considered that! But...he is a tad insecure, isn't he? And he's more and more on about money and how much he hates being poor. Would he sell out Harry for money? Money and fame both? It's something to think about...

That said, I hope he doesn't. I like Ron too much to change now.

[Jane]

I think that Ron is more of the comic relief that to get into anything really "bad"

[hpangel102]

I think eventually Ron will go over to the bad side, but then realize how much his friends mean to him, and switch.... or Ron will be in a situation where either he dies or Harry dies in a future book, and Ron feels bad that he switched and its all his fault, so he dies for Harry.......... (don't ask where that came from)

[Aoife Diggle]

I never really even considered Ron going bad, it was always Percy to me! I know Ron is insecure and extremly jealous but I think he has learned a valuable lesson from GoF. He put his jealously before his friendship with Harry and I dont think he will make the same mistake again. He may be put in a similar position again, but next time I believe he will stick with Harry.

[periwinkle-blue]

Originally posted by Aoife Diggle
I never really even considered Ron going bad, it was always Percy to me! I know Ron is insecure and extremly jealous but I think he has learned a valuable lesson from GoF. He put his jealously before his friendship with Harry and I dont think he will make the same mistake again. He may be put in a similar position again, but next time I believe he will stick with Harry.

agreed.

but interestingly, when i read this thread, i was thinking the real twist would come in Hermione's betrayal. like when Myrddin said ,


I suspect that maybe JKR is deliberately trying to mislead us on this one

i see ron is a bit lacking in character strength. that's why people is quick to point out his probable unintentional slips into the dark arts. but if JKR puts hermione's character as the one who slips and unintentionally helps Voldermort, now that would be a weird twist.

[HarryPottersfan]

Ron will go bad! He has a huge crush on Hermione and when H/H start dating, Ron's anger and jealousy will cause him to turn to Voldemort for help. What a thing that'd be!

[GodricSlytherin]

I think that Ron will hurt Harry and HErmione..and maybe not HWrmione..but hurt her in the act of trying to hurt harry..and then he will greatly regret it...he will return..and they will forgive him.......

[Myrddin]

Originally posted by periwinkle-blue


but interestingly, when i read this thread, i was thinking the real twist would come in Hermione's betrayal.



I read that in a fanfic excerpt somewhere, sorry I can't give you an URL I really don't remember where I found it. I've thought about Hermione as a potential candiate for going bad, it would be really unexpected, but Hermione is a bit like Percy and follows rules even to her disadvantage (which probably is a real Griffyndor trait).

The fanfic's argument centered around the fact that Hermione knows more than the others and is miles ahead in her magical studies. However, JKR is alleged to have said somewhere that Harry has caught up with Hermione in the GoF and will pass her in coming books so I don't know.

I would also be inclined to agree that Ron's trip to the dark side will only be a short one, but he will possibly do a lot of damage in that time. Ron was one of the words on that teaser card. Hmm. Oh yeah I wanted to say this in my original post but I had to go somewhere. Loyalty and bravery are Griffindor traits right? Well you can be loyal to an evil master and bravely do bad things,

[Mucker]

I dunno, I think Ron's jellosy of Haz and his brothers will make Ron change, but I don't think he'll go and start taking orders from Voldie. Maybe he'll become a 'loner' and not really bother about anyone.

OR, maybe Ron will kill a Deatheater (saving Hermione) but that will change Ron, he enjoyed killing that DE and start on a path to the dark side, (sorry if that was abit "Yoda")

[Rowena Ravenclaw]

I dunno. If Ron does anything bad, I think it'll more likely be related to Percy going bad. He'll do something to help his brother (even if it is Percy), not knowing he's really helping Voldemort.

[Daily Propheter]

I don't know if Ron would go to the bad side. He's a lot braver and stronger (character-wise) than a lot of people (give him credit for. Not to say that it woudn't make an interesting read, of course.

Just a thought: Hermione's is 'Muggleborn'. Even if she wanted to switch sides, would Voldemort accept her, because of her parentage? He might just kill her on the spot! Same goes for Ron, he's a 'Pureblood' wizard, but his father loves Muggles, so...

[Rowena Ravenclaw]

Originally posted by Daily Propheter
Just a thought: Hermione's is 'Muggleborn'. Even if she wanted to switch sides, would Voldemort accept her, because of her parentage? He might just kill her on the spot! Same goes for Ron, he's a 'Pureblood' wizard, but his father loves Muggles, so...

Hermione's probably the least likely to turn, but if she did, Voldemort would probably use her for whatever he needed and then kill her as an example ("she's a traitor to her own kind; how can we possibly trust her?").

I don't think it'd work the same with the Weasleys (holding to my theory that it'll be Percy and not Ron who turns here). Voldemort will probably see it as Arthur's son coming to his senses and embracing his heritage, and use it to his advantage.

[Myrddin]

Originally posted by Rowena Ravenclaw
I don't think it'd work the same with the Weasleys (holding to my theory that it'll be Percy and not Ron who turns here). Voldemort will probably see it as Arthur's son coming to his senses and embracing his heritage, and use it to his advantage.

In my book Percy's too much of a goody two shoes and I think we're being mislead. Ron, upon occasions, breaks rules to achieve his ends. Although Perce may inadvertently aid LV's cause by making Cauldrons too thick or something, there are quirks in Ron's personality (such as envy) that LV might be able to use as levers to make Ron do bad.

*Lightening Strikes* If Percy was reading that book about 'Hogwarts Prefects and their Careers' in CoS, then wouldn't he have known something about Tom Riddle/LV, if the book was recent enough?

Re: Hermione. Volders is half/half so we have to remember that. And he was in no hurry to kill Lily who was genetically in the same position as Hermione. Hermione is a witch (Muggleborn or not) and therefore by the shaky logic surrounding this issue not a Muggle.

[jamie16]

i think there will b sum sort of love triangle wiv harry hermione and ron and this may mak ron turn, but not seriously, and what about ginny in cos? altho it wasnt her fault she did turn in a way, how do we know it wasnt partly her fault?

[jamie16]

........e.g. maybe the weasleys arent as good as they seem?

[Rowena Ravenclaw]

Originally posted by Myrddin
In my book Percy's too much of a goody two shoes and I think we're being mislead. Ron, upon occasions, breaks rules to achieve his ends. Although Perce may inadvertently aid LV's cause by making Cauldrons too thick or something, there are quirks in Ron's personality (such as envy) that LV might be able to use as levers to make Ron do bad.

It's certainly possible we're being mislead, though I think too much has been made of it to have it come to nothing. At the very least, I think Percy's going to be confronted with the choice. I happen to think he'll make the wrong one, but that's just me.

Having Ron turn strikes me as a bit cliche. The fact he breaks rules isn't proof enough; Harry and Hermione aren't above doing that, either. And I really can't see his envy ever getting the better of him to the point where he'd knowingly help Voldemort. (Unknowingly's probably a whole 'nother story.)

*Lightening Strikes* If Percy was reading that book about 'Hogwarts Prefects and their Careers' in CoS, then wouldn't he have known something about Tom Riddle/LV, if the book was recent enough?

I think he got that book in PoA, though I doubt it matters. I get the impression Voldemort's real identity is known to only a select few, so he probably wouldn't be in that book.

[MioneandRon4ever]

I feel most people forget to see the friendship that has built between the trio. I feel it would take something extreme for any of them to betray eachother.

I love the trio even though I believe Hermione and Ron belong together, I never fail to realise how important they all are to eachother. It would not be the same if the trio were split forever. Lets not forget that they would be dead without eachother.

Ron doesn't get the credit he deserves, he is very loyal and cares greatly for his friends, he also has a heart of gold which is why it would take a great tragedy to make him go bad, not petty jealousy.

It would be more sense that in a bid to prove himself to everyone he goes undercover appearing to go to the dark side. Then he would be made an outcast until they realised the truth, putting a strain on their friendship.

This would mean they have startrd to grow up, they will start to realsie the severity of their actions. As J.K has said the next three books will be about either doing the right thing or the easiest.

Thanks

[Myrddin]

I sort of consider H, R & H to be one complete entity, person if you will. Harry's the Strength, Hermione's the Brains and Ron's the Experience. But wheels can and do fall of the wagon. <Searches for some words> In some ways Ron has been acting like a big baby in the last two books and of the three has the most growing up to do. I think Harry's beginning to understand the principle of cause and effect. Ron's trailing far behind as a person and in this sense he has some crucial weaknesses, and although it'll take something pretty huge he may do something bad, to spite in particular, Harry. Envy is one of the seven sins.

[Perdita]

I highly doubt that JKR would use the Love-Triangle-Betrayal plotline. It's very old and overused, it would not even be a surprise or twist. And JKR is famous for her twists.

I doubt that Hermione will go bad either. Her character has been set up to be a person who is not only smart, but also very wise. She knows what is right from wrong. Plot twists are only good if they are convincing. Hermione turning bad is not very convincing at all. There has been absolutely no hints to that coming about.

Ron's character, although he is insecure and wants fame and money, he also knows what is right from wrong. I believe that he has the moral strength to not succumb to greed and side with Voldemort. I think that he is also one character that most ordinary readers identify with, the one who is not especially bright, and does not have any special talents, but has a heart of gold that could take him very far. If JKR were to destroy all of that by making him succumb to greed, then that will give out the wrong message. I think that these characters are supposed to be role models, and having Ron turn bad would defeat the purpose of that role model.

What i think will happen is that Ron will try to do something grand for the team, but will fall into a trap and end up unknowingly helping Voldemort, thereby weakening Harry. Attempting to do something out of the pure goodness of his heart, although he is misled, is more realistic and consistent with his character than doing something bad for revenge or for personal gain. Ron is just not that type of person.

[Myrddin]

I think that these characters are supposed to be role models, and having Ron turn bad would defeat the purpose of that role model.

I wholeheartedly agree, that's a very good point.

[RJLupin]

I feel that Ron will be approached to be a spy or something in that nature, like being asked for information about Harry. He will think about it because he is told by the enemy (Enemy being Voldemor or one of his Death Eaters,obviously) that he will be given fame and fortune, but he declines showing an unforseen strength of character. And then I'm sorry to say I think he will be killed on the spot by that same enemy, all because he was protecting Harry's life.

[hpangel102]

Maybe someone will put the *tell the truth* spell on him, (i forgot what it was called) and he will have to blurt out everything that he said, and then someone will put the memory charm on him, so he forgets everything he said and what happened.....

[Picko]

Well I've always fantasised about a Harry/Ron duel to the death after Ron has sided with the enemy, for me it would be a huge dramatic highlight.

And Percy won't go bad, if anything he'll become more and more like Crouch Snr. the only evil he'll do is fight evil with evil, like Crouch.

[periwinkle-blue]

but at least we should credit ron on his determine pledge to sirius in PoA ("if you want to kill harry, you have to kill all three of us you hear me!" or something like that).

i was touched when i read that... aww...

weak, maybe, but no, i don't think he'll turn envious enough to hurt harry again. he already learnt the hard way in GoF.

[Ash_Key]

Originally posted by periwinkle-blue
but at least we should credit ron on his determine pledge to sirius in PoA ("if you want to kill harry, you have to kill all three of us you hear me!" or something like that).


Thank God for that quote.

[Nimbus]

I do not think that Ron will go bad. Even though he is jealous of Harry's fame and fortune, he has a good sense of what is right and what is wrong. He is a loyal friend, and like Hermione said to Harry "he's always shunted to one side whenever people see you, and he puts up with it, and he never mentions it."

Ron does have five older brothers to compete with at home, and each of them have done something outstanding to set themselves apart from the others. Bill, the oldest, was Head Boy and worked for Gringotts in Egypt. Charlie was an excellent Quidditch player and worked with dragons in Rumania. Percy was Head Boy and worked for the Ministry of Magic. Fred and George were very popular and known for their stunts and mischief. This leaves Ron. He is Harry Potter's best friend, but there must be some hidden talent of his that is not known to us, the reader. What we do know, is that he is an excellent chess player.

In Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone, when Harry, Ron and Hermione are trying to get the stone, they must overcome Professor McGonagall’s transfigured chess set. Ron nobly sacrifices himself in order that Harry and Hermione can get the stone. This shows bravery on his part, and that he is a loyal friend to Harry and Hermione. He sacrificed himself, which shows his good strength. I think that this proves that he will not turn against Harry and join Voldemort. Peter Pettigrew, who was weak, and joined Voldemort, put himself before his friends "you don't understand! He would have killed me, Sirius." However, as Sirius states "then you should have died! Died rather than betray your friends, as we would have done for you!" Ron acted similarly to how Sirius said that he, Lupin and James would have acted. Therefore, Ron, in my opinion, has already proved himself to stay on Harry's side, instead of joining Voldemort.

[Daily Propheter]

Ron may have his faults, jealousy among them, but who doesn't? His character has a depth that lots of people can't see. He's honest, brave, self-sacrificing, he's a great friend, and so on. He does know what's right from wrong, even when jealousy and such have clouded his judgement. (I'd go and find quotes, to prove it, but I'm too lazy...) Anyway, if he were presented with the open choice (as in Voldemort pops up and asks him straight up to help him) I seriously doubt he'd help him.
But that doesn't mean that he won't do it unintentionally. Some people think it's Percy that will switch sides. Well, what if he does, and Ron passes information on (unknowingly) through him? I'd think that that were more of a possibility than Ron going bad. I believe too much in him to think he would.

(But as I said before, it'd be an interesting read!!)

[tigerlilygal]

What i think will happen is that the bad guys will force Ron to try to attack harry, because it makes perfect sense if you're a diabolical evil dude. I mean, who is the one person that (i predict) Harry will never be able to kill? Ron! I think that he won't go bad purposely, but you-know-who will bewitch him to!

[MioneandRon4ever]

Good point what about that curse.......... brain frezzes as air whistles through my head :??: no I have forgotten but it's one of the three worse curses that controls others.

I love everyone who has posted to support Ron, people overlook how good he is not to mention important. :D

ERRR it may be coming back is it imperious curse or something like that ? :whistle:

[cherion_lee]

Ron going bad? POSSIBLE. Voldermort might control him.

[Ame]

MioneandRon4ever, I know what curse you are talking about, but the name slips me too.

I think that Ron will be tested. His character is underestimated by the readers. Why wouldn't one of the the other characters underestimate him. He'll be tempted, and he might even contemplate betrayal. But Ron is a noble, loyal, person. He has his flaws, but all people do. He could be tested, and he'll pass splendidly, and this will just prove how good of a person Ron is. You know if you think about it, Ron is probably the one person who really could bring Harry's demise. He's the closest person in Harry's life. Ron doesn't really realize how important he is. JKR, I believe, has great plans for Ron.

Ron really is great to me. He's more realistic than the other's in my opinion. He, unlike Harry and Hermione, has flaws and moments that most of us can relate to in one way or another.

[You-Know-Who]

Originally posted by Ame
He, unlike Harry and Hermione, has flaws and moments that most of us can relate to in one way or another.

Exactly, Ron's character is more...human :)

[SaRaH 23 HP]

I Think that Ron might turn evil because in Goblet of Fire he got jealous of Harry cuz " he entered himself into the triwazardry tourment" and wouldnt listen he also blow up at Hermione for goin to the dance with "the enmey" and he didnt really do much in the 3rd book did he? he also was a little wierd in that book...acting strange....also he does have to compete against his brothers and his bestf is famous and fairly rich and his other bestf is smart and top of the cast soo he might feel like he is not important and this might lead 2 something bad! but who knows JKR likes to surprise us greatly with her books!

[SaRaH 23 HP]

Now Ame scine reading ure post u have completly turned around wt i said before!im serous its amazing u just made me want to eat my other post up!;) and if u think about it ure right! he does have the most greatest personalty! who here hasnt wanted to eat there words? or erase something from there life? Hermione and Harry seem to not have thoose flaws they seem to b the ones tat r perfect....but Ron is the one that is unpredictable! the one who will surprise us the most out of the trio! he might seem to b the weekest out of the trio....but he is the most fun...he will b able to turn the whole story over in a flash! and i have a feeling( if you see book 5-facts) tat this book will b very different from the other three! reason being is tat this will b unpredictable and also apparently something major will b relieved about Lily Potter! so she and Ron cud turn this whole plot over in a jiffy! who knows what will happen JKR is one aruthor who is surprising and unique she will make this book probably the most fantastic and most amazing out of the series and JKR does like to surprise us she twists and turns the plot she changed the plot around in Philsopher- Harry thought Snape was the bad guy turned out to b the person he least suspected!
Chamber- Harry thought it was Hargrid(sortuv) cuz Riddle showed him instead it was Riddle and he found out that Riddle was Voldermort
Azkaban-EVERYONE thought that it was Sirus it was accutally Petter it surprised everyone...he wasnt killing Harry he wanted to kill Petter! he was helping!
Goblet- Moody was suppossed to b the gud guy and Karakoff was suppossed to b the bad but it was the other way around!

as u see JKR likes to surprise us so we have no idea how this book will turn out! and in facts it says nothing of Ron being :elaugh: evil:evil: will happen but who knows!

[lanifiel]

I think Ron might be tempted but in the end will always follow Harry and Dumbledore. He might want to be rich and stand alone apart from his brothers Shadow's but he knows what is right and what is wrong and would never betray those he cares about :D

[Ame]

Made by Perdita
I think that these characters are supposed to be role models, and having Ron turn bad would defeat the purpose of that role model.


Lovely point. That's another reason why Ron fighting temptation for the sake of what is right works.

And yes JKR does have a gift for surprising her readers with amazing plot twist. But she is unpredictable within reason. There is a methodology to her writing. The problem is trying to figure it out. :smile:

[SaRaH 23 HP]

Originally posted by Ame
Lovely point. That's another reason why Ron fighting temptation for the sake of what is right works.

And yes JKR does have a gift for surprising her readers with amazing plot twist. But she is unpredictable within reason. There is a methodology to her writing. The problem is trying to figure it out. :smile:

U rite! she does everything with a purpose! but she makes everything hard to understand she includes unremarkable twists she is prob the most remarkable of the Era.........she includes twists and plots of imganation, known mainly only to childern... but she lets the parents have the taste of the old imagainery world in which the indulged as childern...she lets everyone include in her book she has the mature writing yet the younger side of the imaginary and fiction

[MioneandRon4ever]

I agree of course, :D Ron is often the fall guy in HP he often has bad or unfortunate things happen tp him not to mention embarrising.

i.e Puking slugs, getting knocked out in chess, getting bit by Norbert, being bit by sirus (might be just me but does he get bit alot :( ...poor Ron) plus countless other things not to mention Malfoys taunts.

So its easy to see why he might be ready to turn evil ............what fifteen year old doesn't, but I mean evil as in moody, nasty irritable, sarcastic, insecure etc ect (many more which u can add if u wish).

What i'm saying is many teenagers feel like Ron does, but it doesn't mean they would betray the ones they love because of it :devil: well not all of them would :D .

I think J.K has made Ron into this character for a purpose, I agree that she has plans to show just how loyal and important he is. So its easy to assume he will be tested in future books, to which i agrre with AME he will pass it beautifully :clappy:

AME I think the curse is the imperous curse,(anyone know for sure?) well i'll have to read the book to be sure, me not complaining.

:clappy: GO RON GO :clappy:

[Ashkins]

He wont turn bad... after all that would put him on the same side witht he Malfoys.. he would die before that happened.

[Nimbus]

I agree with MioneandRon4ever and whoever think that Ron's loyalty will be tested, but I do not think he will go bad voluntarily. It is mentioned in the book that Ron had a hard time with the Imperius curse, so maybe he will at sometime be controlled by it by Voldemort.

And with what Ashkins said, Ron would never go on the same side with the Malfoys. No matter what.

[Benzo]

Originally posted by Nimbus
I agree with MioneandRon4ever and whoever think that Ron's loyalty will be tested, but I do not think he will go bad voluntarily. It is mentioned in the book that Ron had a hard time with the Imperius curse, so maybe he will at sometime be controlled by it by Voldemort.
:yup: Yes, indeed.:yup:

[SaRaH 23 HP]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MioneandRon4ever
[B]I agree of course, :D Ron is often the fall guy in HP he often has bad or unfortunate things happen tp him not to mention embarrising.

i.e Puking slugs, getting knocked out in chess, getting bit by Norbert, being bit by sirus (might be just me but does he get bit alot :( ...poor Ron) plus countless other things not to mention Malfoys taunts.

So its easy to see why he might be ready to turn evil ............what fifteen year old doesn't, but I mean evil as in moody, nasty irritable, sarcastic, insecure etc ect (many more which u can add if u wish).

What i'm saying is many teenagers feel like Ron does, but it doesn't mean they would betray the ones they love because of it :devil: well not all of them would :D .

I think J.K has made Ron into this character for a purpose, I agree that she has plans to show just how loyal and important he is. So its easy to assume he will be tested in future books, to which i agrre with AME he will pass it beautifully :clappy:



I agree fully wid MioneandRon4ever he is the one who isbeing tested the most of all them! an di agree with her tat J.k. mad Ron into this character for a purpose! and like she and Ame said he will be tested in future books but he will pass with flying colours! i think that this is wt shows were true loyalty lies! this book and the future books might be testing Rons personatly very hard! he will have to choose between whats rite and whats easy! he will be tested to the full extenction....He will have to remeber who he loves and who he is loyal to!

and as Ame and MioneandRon4ever said he will pass it beatuifully!

Thx MioneandRon4ever 4 backing up my point!:clappy:

Wat happens wt happens! nothing happens without a porpose!

as Hagrid said:
What happens happens...as long as we got Dumbledore im not afraid!
(i think tats it im not to sure)

also i have one last thing to say:


GO RON GO!!!!!!!!!!!! :clappy: :clappy: :clappy: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D :D

[Ame]

His first test was his jealousy of Harry entering the tournament in GoF. And yeah, I know this isn't the greatest example, he didn't do so well. But he did learn to look pass his own jealousy on his own. Normally, it would take a bit of coaxing (or nagging :shrug: you decide...) on Hermoine's part. I know it took him a moment to get it together, but he in the end admitted he was wrong. And coming from Ron, this is a big deal. So, yeah I think this is the beginning of many trials for Ron. He stills has a long way to go, but it will be interesting, won't it?

[SaRaH 23 HP]

Ame i think u r rite it will b interasting to see how everything turns out!
also it will be interasting seeing how loyal Ron is to Harry! And also i agree with wt u said how he diecided on his own to forgive Harry with nothing coming from Hermione...tat shows how loyal he is and tat he wud rather b friends then enemys!

:D:D





:clappy: :D GO RON! :D :clappy: lol!

[MioneandRon4ever]

Hey people agree with me ................:wow:

NIMBUS cheers for posting the curse I was on about, it was the imperius curse I couldn't remenber the name

Everyone has made valid points, I love the support for Ron...........can you feel the love in this room :rolleyes: :D

Thanks for your feed back SARAH i notice you like me support Ron banner :p :D

You have to promise to put it on the end of every post from now on :rotfl:

Ame made a good point about his first test of jealousy, he made ammends with Harry on his own, I think it was the dragon that did it.

I think he realised how worried he was about Harry getting hurt and he decided to make ammends, he probably also realised that Harry didn't really want to compete as it was difficult tasks.

I think he realised a lot sooner that he was wrong but alas Ron suffers what many people do

Too **** stubborn for their own good :angry:

He has a lot of lessons to learn as they all do but he will be adorable as ever :smooch: bless him

with that I leave my support Ron banner its a new thing that I think Hermione should support instead of SPEW :rotfl:

:D :clappy: GO RON GO :clappy: :D

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: I love these things they make me smile

[Ame]

Originally made by MioneandRon4Ever
He has a lot of lessons to learn as they all do but he will be adorable as ever bless him

LOL... I couldn't have said that better myself. ;)

:D:clappy:Go Ron Go:clappy::D - I have a Support Ron Banner... Do you?

[You-Know-Her]

Ron might be dumb campared to Herimione, but not that dumb!

[hpangel102]

I wonder if Hermione will ever get something wrong or anything less than perfect in one of her classes????

Well, I think Ron will go to the dark side, but not meaning to. Once he realizes what he did, he will need help getting back to the good side.

[gred&forge4ever]

In my opinion, ron will not go bad for the following reasons:

1. He has twice laid down his life for Harry

2. The love of his family is strong.

3. Not ALL of his brothers are standouts. Fred and George(I love em' ) are menances in a charming sense. Charlie while he could have been a pro Quidditch player followed his dreams, and Bill, although head boy is a bit of a wild child with the long hair and fanged earring :lol:. The only brother who is the total model citizen is Percy.

4. I don't think ron wants to be rich, I think he just wants to have the freedom to buy what he needs without money being an issue. Ron, IMHO would be content to live somewhere in the wizard world that was equivalent to Privet Drive.


If it ver APPEARS that Ron is on the dark side, it will be a set up like with Sirius.

[MioneandRon4ever]

Hey Ame, you also like my Ron banner :D , we should all post it with pride.

Glad you agree that Ron is adorable no matter what he does :D

Also Gred&forge4ever, has made some great points, even though I don't see my support Ron banner :rotfl: see below for details :rotfl:

You are right Ron's brothers all have done well but none are perfect as no one can be :D , I make sense in my head :)

I also agree that Ron could be an easy target to be set up like Sirus, either by him actually doing something and not realizing it or when under the imperious curse.

I think Ron may also be faced with difficult decisions, as they all will, I think he may be put in a similar situation to Peter Petigrew.

He would never betray Harry in that situation and if it happened it would help him realise just how important he is, and how his decisions affect his friends.

J.K said that the last books would focus on doing the right thing or the easiest, so its probably fair to assume they will all be tested.


Oh and here is my support Ron banner :rotfl:

:D :clappy: GO RON GO :clappy: :D

Post it with pride :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: post if u belive in Ron

[lleyki]

I agree with the persons who say that if Ron does go bad; it probably won't be intentionally. I keep remembering that movie Devil's Advocate. I don't know if anyone ever saw it but the whole point is that the devil tempts us with our deepest desires. The guy gets Keanu Reeves with wealth and even when he gets a second chance; he is caught by his love for fame.
Okay let me try and make a point. How did Voldemort get Hagrid to tell him how to get past Fluffy? He used something he really wanted(that of course being the dragon's egg). Therefore all he has to do is do his homework to know exactly who Harry is close to and what their weaknesses are. This theory could work for Percy too because he does have an insane amount of ambition. However, as someone said it certainly seems as if he or Neville are the obvious choices doesn't it? However we know how JK loves to surprise us.
The whole thing about the triangle was brought up and I made a similar observation in the 'who'll fall in love with who' forum. Someone said that Ron dealt with his jealousy in GOF but I didn't see it like that. If anything, GOF made me a little uncomfortable sometimes. We've always known that Ron has issues of jealousy and feelings of inadequacy. However, JK seemed to really be driving the issue home in GOF. I mean not talking to Harry was bad enough but standing there and saying nothing while Malfoy taunted him just struck me as a bit much. Plus, there is the fact that while she made Ron's feelings so obvious; Hermione's weren't.
Honestly I don't think Ron will be as evil as Wormtail but I think his jealous and insecure nature could make him do something really stupid that will affect the people around him.

[girl_wizardry]

Gosh...i've never thought about this at all, not until i came over to this thread! Ron go bad....oooooh evil is sexy! :devil:

Lol just kiddin. Yea i agree with the lot of you who said that Ron will go bad but not like..not THAT bad as in, over to the Dark side kinda thing. He has proved to be jealous of Harry cos Harry's got things that he doesn't but overall, he will still be Harry's best friend no matter what.

But no doubt, i would love to read abt Ron going evil! That would be really nice, with a really great twist!

[Almie_Diva]

NO! Ron would never join the evil side! He is too good! STOP STOP STOP!

[hpangel102]

The only reason I think Ron will go bad is because he will get tired of always hearing things about Harry, and getting jealous, and he'll be the only one not to succeed in his family and such and such.... but I really don't know....

[Machtyn]

I just had to voice my opinion on this one...
NO!

[SaRaH 23 HP]

lol MioneandRon4ever! i do like your banner!lol! You have started a trend heehee!

And he is adorable! and everybody here has made good posts and points!!


:clappy: :D :rolleyes: GO RON GO! :clappy: :D :rolleyes: lol Ame and MioneandRon4ever

[MioneandRon4ever]

Sarah, :D :D I'm glad you like my banner,

I would also like to say that I think Ron will achieve great things and he wont have to be evil to do it.

:D :clappy: GO RON GO :clappy: :D

Everyone must use it :rolleyes: :p

[SaRaH 23 HP]

lol!:rotfl:!i think your right!
I have some pics of Ron but I have to ask my friend to send them to me again! But if i get any I will show you k!?

also how old are you?

omg i almost forgot the

:rolleyes: :clappy: :rolleyes: Go RoN gO!:rolleyes: :clappy: :rolleyes:

i didnt forget to do it*looks scared* heehee:mustdash: :wasnotme: lol

[MioneandRon4ever]

LOL :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

21 in age but I feel about 12 most of the time :D

Must be my younger sisters, they keep me young :rotfl: :rotfl:

You will not forget to post the banner or else you will be running :D :elaugh:

Any pics would be great

:D :clappy: GO RON GO :clappy: :D:D

[Potterjohn]

No way, he saved Harry and stopped Quirrell having more time by helping with the chess (actually doing the chess..)

[sparkle]

I totally don't really think that Ron will go all evil on us but it's just the name that gets me - I mean Weasley, it sounds toooo much like Weasel and they're supposed to be all crafty and nasty, there has to be a reason JK picked Weasley. I hope he doesn't go evil though :evil:

[hpangel102]

Well if Ron did go evil, he wouldn't stay..... but I think that at least one of them has to go evil!

[WatsonFan11]

Ron will never go bad. he is always true to Harry and Hermione.

[min]

Ron would go bad if he doesn't grown. At the moment, Harry is the principal character and Hermione is the intelligent, so what does Ron contribute to the trio? He is the best friend, but i think that is not enought. He needs to find something for himself to emphasize.

[MioneandRon4ever]

Hey just wanted to say Ron isn't grown up he is a fifteen year old boy facing normal teenage problems as well as others.

Harry has had to grow up fast as the Dursley's never cared for him, Ron is from a big family so he has never had the chance to test himself like Harry.

I think Molly probably tried to keep Ron as a baby as he is the youngest.

Harry has also had to grow up more with learning who he is, Ron however is still Ron :clappy: he hasn't learnt anything dramatic about himself like Harry.

Although Ron has helped Harry through most of the books it is always him helping Harry, he has never really done anything to protect himself, as in a sense he hasn't had too.

Ron is definately the one who has the most growing up to do, but we need to realise that Harry is only mature because of what he has had to deal with.

Most fifteen year olds will go through jealousy of others especially close friends, Harry is also jealous of Ron's family however Harry has learnt to hide his emotions better than Ron.

That is one of Ron's biggest problems he wears his heart on his sleeve, his emotions are very open unlike others. This is not a bad thing :D

Hermione and Harry have bad thoughts and feelings just like Ron, however Ron is more likely to tell them what is bothereing him instead of bottleling it up like Harry and Hermione :p

All the characters have to grow up but it doesn't mean they will go evil, jealousy is a human emotion wether we like it or not, Ron just doesn't hide it that's all.

And I don't think that's a bad thing as friendship is about honesty :angel: and telling the truth may hurt,but sometimes things need to be said so they can move past the problem.

The fight in Goblet of Fire was long coming because Harry Ron fail to comunicate poke:

Oh I could go on forever but I wont :D

As for Hermione she is a girl and we all know girls are more mature than boys.

Oh and that quote does it for me in PoA

"If you want to kill Harry you will have to kill all three of us"

A very injured Ron says to Sirus Black, loyalty or what ;D

here follows my banner :D

:D :clappy: GO RON GO :clappy: :D

[sparkle]

I doubt Ron'll go bad. He's to funny to loose to the dark side. PLus how many naturally red-haired villians can u think of, apart from Percy.

[sparkle]

Oh yeah, MERRY XMAS 4 2MORO!!!!!!!!!!!

[hpangel102]

Sparkle, if you wish to add something to your message, rather than double posting, you can click the edit button at the top right hand side..... :welcome:

I think Ron will go bad, if things don't follow for him. He contributes to the trio by being the funny one, and he is good at some certain things. But Harry and Hermione are pretty much either the ones with the brains or braveness.... he mgiht feel left out at one point, but I don't think in book 5.....

[WhiteSlash]

I think Ron and Percy will both make a mistake. This will lead to Percy's death. I think Ron and Ginny will be taken by Vold and Percy will be there. Ron will be so scared and tell him that Harry will die for him and then he would take Ginny just for fun.
Percy will die letting them get away.

[hpangel102]

I think Percy thinks he is very responsible for many peoples actions which, yes, may lead to him dieing.... but not right now. He has to get more involved with his job.

[Johnny Cage]

Will Ron go Bad?

This is exactly what i fear and at the same time look forward to. Ron´s part has always been some sort of comical relief, and i think it´s just not fair that its always Harry or Hermione who sort things out and fight the big ones. Look at what happened when he thought Harry had cheated himself into the Triwizards´. He´s often angry at people AND he likes to bend rules. What would happen if for example Ginny gets killed and he´d blame it on Harry? If, as many expect, he falls in love with Hermione, their love would sooth his anger down. Anyways, i hope Ron´s character will have plenty to do in the next 3 books :)

[Mr. Granger]

How the hell could Ron turn bad. He is even afraid of saying Voldemort´s name and even though staying in the shadow of Harry (like everybode else) he is faithful and loyal to his friends, like a true Griffindor. I don´t think there is any chance of him joining the dark lord, even when he gets unhappy about not achieving anything really great, he will come together with Hermione and that will take him as far away from the dark arts as you can get. The only possible way of making Ron change sides woul dbe to destroy his hopes and dreams everywhere (not good @ quidditch, no hermione, not good @ school, no success in anything, no following his brothers, his mother not being satisfied with him and so on).

[Vincent Crabbe]

Ron's going bad, probably in the next book.

I give two reasons for this; first he's poor. Everyone knows it, Malfoy makes sure to remind Ron on a daily basis, and Ron is getting sick and tired of it (as we see in GoF). Now if Ron could make some money by selling information, I don't think he'd see anything wrong with that as he thinks its fine for his brothers to make money selling potentially dangerous magical items, and plus he's not going t obe seeling any major secrets about Harry, just where he likes to be, or what he likes to do in his spare time.

Second is the whole fame mess. This point doesn't carry as much weight as the first IMO, but I think it needs to be considered. Ron is jealous of Harry's fame. Its just that simple. He'd love to be as famous as Harry is, and is probably willing to risk a bit to gain that fame. On the other hand he's not like Percy in that he's super ambitious or anything like that, but we do know that he likes being famous, from his experience with Sirius nearly knifing him to being Harry's hostage in the TWT. If one of Voldemort's servants could promise fame to Ron if he just does some little thing for them Ron might easily be persuaded to do it.

Just my two knuts.

[Rowena Ravenclaw]

Originally posted by Vincent Crabbe
Now if Ron could make some money by selling information, I don't think he'd see anything wrong with that as he thinks its fine for his brothers to make money selling potentially dangerous magical items, and plus he's not going t obe seeling any major secrets about Harry, just where he likes to be, or what he likes to do in his spare time.

But remember, when Hermione mouthed off to Rita in GoF, it was Ron who was worried about the potential consequences ("She'll make you out to be some kind of scarlet woman!"). He's too aware of the legitimate press's ability to twist facts and use them to its advantage to go selling information about Harry to any and all bidders.

[Skyfang]

This is interesting. I think you're right about percy. He's too uptight to go bad.

Ron, that is a good question. He indeed wants recognisition above all. and he has this jeolous streak of Harry. Rember in GoF when Harry's name came up. But I don't think it will be Ron who goes bad. It's just a feeling. I think he rather go out in a blaze of Glory. (Chess scene)

[Mr. Granger]

Originally posted by Vincent Crabbe
Ron's going bad, probably in the next book.

I give two reasons for this; first he's poor. Everyone knows it, Malfoy makes sure to remind Ron on a daily basis, and Ron is getting sick and tired of it (as we see in GoF). Now if Ron could make some money by selling information, I don't think he'd see anything wrong with that as he thinks its fine for his brothers to make money selling potentially dangerous magical items, and plus he's not going t obe seeling any major secrets about Harry, just where he likes to be, or what he likes to do in his spare time.

Second is the whole fame mess.

You compare giving someone a toffy, so that his tongue grows bigger, what can be cured in one second with betraying your best and loved friends who already have risk everything for you many times. poke:
I am more than sure that the last reason for Ron to go bad would be money and the fact that he gets very angry when Malfoy taunts him with his poverty is no support either because he also is outraged no less when Hermione is called a Mud Blood for example.
As I stated before the only reason I could ever image Ron going bad (and I find it VERY improbable) is when he would not only not have any succes in quidditch, at school and so on, but also would not come together with Hermione, maybe even Harry got her and his family being disappointed that he did not follow his succesful brothers.
Still, it won´t happen. Ron is as good as you get. It´s even more probable that Harry starts his own dark reign than loved Ron with many friends and a great family.

[Johnny Cage]

Ron wouldn´t follow Voldemort even if he was forced to, he would only go by his own will - and that could only happen if Harry or Hermi deceited him, just like the time when he thought Harry cheated himself into the Triwizards´ tournament without telling Ron.

[Daily Propheter]

I don't think Ron will go bad so much as he'll be tested. Something will happen, where the wrong choice (*cough*Voldemort*cough*) will be the easiest.
(JKR said; the next 3 books will deal a lot more with doing what is right as opposed to doing what is easy...)
Ron is strongwilled (aka stubborn as a mule). He knows the difference between right and wrong. He knows what his friends/family mean to him, and what he means to them. He knows to pick the Right way. (The only time he'd pick the easy way would be when doing Divination homework!)
He wouldn't abandonn everything for a few Galleons. He wouldn't do it for power, either. He wouldn't do it.
(Just my 2 cents.)

[Mr. Granger]

read Daily Propheter again in case of doubt. :bigtu:

[Myrddin]

Erm, here!!!!

[ronrocks]

No! No ! No! I just can't see Ron going bad. I think he has proven himself to be a brave and loyal friend. Yes, he is jealous of Harry at times, and he has a bad temper...he is flawed like the rest of us. But I can't see anything in his behavior that indicates he would turn on his friends and family. He risked his life to help Harry in PS, and he was willing to die with Harry in PoA. What more does he need to do to prove his loyalty? I just can't imagine him turning on Harry and Hermoine for a little money or fame.

[min]

I've ever thought that if a Weasly would turn to the dark it would be Percy. Ron is a good boy. He only have to find where is he exceptional to have more faith in himself.

[Jessie]

I have strong opinions on this. I DO think that one day Ron might turn bad, but not permanently. Ron is not one to slip into darkness. Remember, he's Harry's best friend, and Harry's the one who seems to get all the attention. Ron might be known as Harry's sidekick to some, and to some ppl, sidekicks r never looked at as the hero's friend. More like helper. Ron might get a bit stressed b'cos of this & might rebel 4 awhile, but not turn bad. Maybe a love conflict between the 2 of them could spark a bit of the devil hiding inside Ronald Weasley. After all, who doesn't do blind things when they're in love? ;)

[Auri DeMeer]

Originally posted by Severely Snapped (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=96110#post96110))
And he's more and more on about money and how much he hates being poor.

I wonder what Ron's reaction will be when he finds out about Harry giving the twins all the triwizard tournament money.
He may become jealous and angry with Harry. He's supposed to be his best friend after all, and not the twins...

[tabby]

Except Harry had no reason to give the 1000 galleons to Ron. How often do you give your best friend a grand for no reaons?

[Auri DeMeer]

Originally posted by tabby (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=277384#post277384))
Except Harry had no reason to give the 1000 galleons to Ron. How often do you give your best friend a grand for no reaons?

Not the 1000 galleons but a few of them... for future needs, the same reason he gave it to the twins...
We may understand that he didn't give anything, but I don't know how it will look like from Ron's point of view...

[Guardian Angel]

There are some "proves" of Ron going to the Dark side, but I doubt he will.
One of them is that he wants to be out of Harry's shadow. He wants to be richer than he is. He wouldn't be against having some power... Voldemort would give him that. It's for sure. But, he wouldn't do it because he loves Harry too much. Ron is Harry's loyal friend, we know it. Don't think that the fight between Harry and him in the 4th book was there so we can see how Ron will abandon Harry.... Nope, that's not it. Hermione explained why he did that. Do I need to repeat?
Anyway, if you don't remember , it was because Ron was poor and always in brothers' or Harry's shadows.He proved himself only at the end of the first book, but he is worth more han that.
I believe that Ron won't go bad, and that's final. ;)

[an9elgyrl]

I think Ron will go bad for awhile, but not stay bad.
this is what i think will happen:
-Ron will have this really awful day, school wise. He goes back to see his gf at the time, herm (i'm h/hr but this will happen in around book six). But he sees that herm had fallen asleep on harry. He thinks she is cheating on him, when she actually just plain got sleepy and fell asleep on her friend. Ron goes to Voldy, tells him he wants to be better than Harry, more powerful, and richer. (Because Ron believes Herm wants a guy like Harry.) Voldy makes a devilish deal with Ron. At the end someone dies(not from the group). Ron regrets everything. harry/herm forgive him, but there are some conflicts to follow this matter.

[Stallion1]

Yeah maybe he'll do something like challenge harry to a duel and maybe getting his butt whopped will show the error or his ways and become good again. Hopfully.

[GilyAnn]

For me the idea that Ron may go bad seems completly out of cannon and going against what JKR has said about Ron's character one time after another. That Ron is a very loyal friend.

[Fuchsia]

I'm with GilyAnn on this. It is out of character for Ron to go bad. He's a decent fellow. He may be hotheaded but
he does calm down.

There is another thread about Ron being evil called Ron Converting to the Dark Arts? (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5042)

On the other end of the spectrum check out this thread Ron Weasley (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5273) about why he might be a hero instead of evil.

The best thread on Harry and Ron's relationship is The Trio and Trust (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7152).

[Daily Propheter]

Originally posted by Auri DeMeer
I wonder what Ron's reaction will be when he finds out about Harry giving the twins all the triwizard tournament money.
He may become jealous and angry with Harry. He's supposed to be his best friend after all, and not the twins...


But Ron hates it when people give him stuff for no reason (ie. the omnioculars). He feels that it's charity, and resents it. Harry has said that he'd have given the Weasleys the gold in his vault, but he knows they'd never accept it. He had to threaten Gred & Forge to get them to take the 1000 Galleons. Harry probably knew that if he'd tried to give Ron the money, they might have gotten into another row. That's why he wanted to keep it secret where Ron was getting his new dress robes from at the end of GoF. ROn would have wanted to pay him back, like at the Quidditch World Cup.

[Gandalf_the_White]

Yes, i agree with the Daily Propheter. Ron wants to get rich and have money, but he wants to earn the money as well. He wouldn't switch to the dark side to make the money. I don't think any of the Weasley's will go to the bad side, they are loved so much by their family that they would never betray that trust.

[GrangerGal]

I agree! I just can't see Ron becoming bad. However I could see Ron being seduced by someone from the bad side with money but coming to his senses before being completely swayed. It couldnt be Draco though b/c he seems to hate the Malfoys and all they stand for. There would have to be a new character introduced that dangles fame and fortune in front of him. But I don't think he will turn evil in the end just unsure of what he really wants. Plus he really cares for Hermione and going to the dark side means renouncing their friendship.

[Weatherby]

I don't think Ron will become evil. He won't support Voldemort either.
However he may not want to be put through the torment those supporting Dumbledore may face in the next three years. He may choose whats easier.
It's not fun being the focus of such negative attention when he feels he isn't getting the glory or appreciation Harry does.

[Loz]

Ron has his flaws, his insecurities, and hang ups and you have all put them in good light. He is jealous of attention, money, and dare-i-say-it Hermione but I refuse to think that Ron will intentionally or unintentionally do something that will help out the 'dark side'. I see Ron not only as Harry's right-hand man but as his equal. He has strengths that the other characters don't have. He has a moral fibre that comes naturally. His parents have brought him up to be open-minded and he is really far more bright than certain people give him credit for being. I do not see Ron as being the weakest, he is weak in some parts, yes, but so are the other two.

[Bilbo]

I hope Ron will not go bad. However, it may be in the cards. Perhaps, Hermione "lightens up" because Ron isn't there.

Ron certainly has his demons; but so do Harry, Hermione, Dumbledore, Snape and Draco. Good or bad, every character has a bad aspect to their character. No one is perfect.

[GrangerGal]

Well said lozenger8 and Bilbo... we may see some people try to tempt Ron and even Hermione but I think they will resist in the end. Hey Voldemort even tried to seduce Harry in SS and CoS! I will not be shocked if he tries to seduce his friends!

[NYCwitch920]

This thread makes a good point and I never really thought about Ron going bad. I didn't think he really would because of how he was willing to sacrifice himself in the chess game in Book 1. But you guys make a good point when you say that he is constantly being overshadowed by his siblings with their accomplishments and also overshadowed by Harry's fame. It's a really good idea but and would make for a nice twist in the plot but none of us would really want him to leave "the trio", now would we? :)

[GryffindorGal]

[quote]Originally posted by GrangerGal (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=280378#post280378))
I agree! I just can't see Ron becoming bad. However I could see Ron being seduced by someone from the bad side with money but coming to his senses before being completely swayed.

Now this I agree with but I don't think it'll be for money or fame.

I'm in the camp (is there a camp??:huh:) that believes there is a reason we were shown that Harry can shake off both the Imperius Curse and Veela Charm and that Ron can't. I also believe that we were shown that Imperius can become less effective the longer a person (Crouch Jr) is left under it.

I think that someone will get close enough to Imperio Ron into leading Harry into some type of deadly situaton and he will finally manage to shake the curse off in order to save him.

[GrangerGal]

GryffindorGal GOOD POINT! I can definitley see him being manipulated by the curse. I didn't even think of that!

[djorno]

I'd like to see a one-on-one confrontation with imperious Ron vs. Harry. I've been thinking about it all day, and I'm a strong supporter of the Ron being under control theory.

[Weatherby]

Ron isn't that weak minded is he?
He may not be as strongly indepent as Harry and Hermione since he's from a big family but I don't see him living under the curse for any prolonged period of time.

[AbERcRoMBiE]

hmm i think so:angel: i've read some fic about ron and other chars...he's a deatheater lol it's funny. um he won't be that bad i think becuase he's harry's best friend but about hermione, if harry was her boyfriend and she's his girlfriend...then what about ron if he loved hermione either but she didn't know that...ron may be evil and not being respectful to their best friend and others, he might hurt others if he got bad....oh well lol it's just my opinion.

[dazed*kitten]

I fear I must reply to this. Within all the characters, I'd say that the trio are the least-likely bunch of people to stay together, initially. Hermione's still a know-it-all, even in the fourth book, and although she seems to be tempering her character a bit, she's still relatively unknown to the reader. The story _is_ told from Harry's point of view, and Ron and Harry don't have all their classes with her, let alone spend all their time with her. She is also incredibly stubborn, and holds fast to her Muggle traits; I doubt that she would turn from her 'good' path to Voldemort's side
Ron, also, is incredibly stubborn. He, of the trio, is probably the most likely to turn, although in all things he is passionate, and like all passions, flickers from one emotion to another quickly. He is definetly passionate in all that he does, and he _does_ manage to whinge a lot. He is the second-youngest of six, so I fear that he is entitled to a little whinging about being overlooked- but he is definelty the comic relief in the stories. I doubt if he would turn, although if he did, i must agree that he would only do it breifly, and not intentionally to hurt someone (permamanly)
Harry is also a candidate for turning. He has vast amounts of bitterness about his past situations, and although he seems happy enough at school, the question 'has he really dealt with his emotions?' must come up somewhere. I believe that his emotions must show themselves somewhere, and although Harry is the main 'goodie' in this series, the question of whether he would turn is still a poignant one. Would Harry Potter turn if he thought it in the best interests of everyone? Would he turn if he thought it was in the best interests of himself? Would he be corrupted by his emotional baggage? Would Voldemort be able to use his emotions of abandonment and isolation to seduce him to the proverbial 'Dark Side'?

*kitten

[freak20k]

maybe,but i hope not. when i read and wat harry potter, ron is good but i dont know what jk rowling is going to write....

[lanifiel]

I think theres something there that might be twisted or tempted, but thats the same with all the characters. Ron might go evil because of his distaste for being poor. Harry Might go bad because of his hatred for Voldemort (Hate is a sickness, trust me), Herimone might go evil because of her thirst for knowledge. Its all possible, but I think Ron's soul is a little to good for it, but we will see...

[GryffindorGal]

Originally posted by Weatherby (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=283721#post283721))
Ron isn't that weak minded is he?
He may not be as strongly indepent as Harry and Hermione since he's from a big family but I don't see him living under the curse for any prolonged period of time.



I think that Ron almost has to be living under it for a while to achieve the most emotional impact on all of the characters, If Imperius is used as a 'one shot" plot device it loses its impact. We don't get to see Ron struggle to overcome it to save his
friend(s).

Something else just crossed my mind . When Moody/Crouch Jr subjects the class to Imperious we see the way the Trio's other classmates react but we never find out Hermione's reaction. Can she throw it off as well? IMO I think she can and there's probably a reason why Rowling never tells us.

[emikkime]

Well it does say 'Ron had a lot more trouble than Harry fighting the Imperious curse'

Hey imagine this:

Ron is put under Imperious then he duels with Harry. Harry kills him not knowing he's on Imperious, and only after he's dead, does everyone find out that Ron was under Imperious.

[Hpmons]

Ive thought of that...But imagine wat harry would be like when he found out? He would have to attend therapy for the rest of his life! I dont think that Ron would duel Harry under the Imperius curse. It would be, too heart breaking for Harry, and for most fans. He could go under the Imperius curse, but fight it just when he meets up with Harry; or try to kill someone else.

[Buttercup]

I love Ron so much, he is my favorite character. But I do feel that he has been written to make some mistakes in future books. I don't think that he would ever consciously go 'bad' but that there may be a choice of doing something 'easy' versus right and Ron not understanding the full ramifications of his choice.

There is also a 'temptation' that Ron might face. I think that it would be very subtle and very clever.

Ron could also think he is helping the good guys but be tricked by a traitor.

And then there is the 'imperious curse' theory.

Either one of these are realistic and possible. I do feel that Ron will do something but will quickly find a way to make amends.

[She's Crafty]

I'm sorry, i don't buy Ron going bad at all.

Yes, he probably will make mistakes. Yes, sometimes he resents Harry's fame but also remember that he is the youngest in the boys in his family and being overshadowed by both them and his best friend is bound to grate his cheese. I think GoF was when that all came to a head and i think that's the end of that.

Also, him becoming the Keeper for Gryffindor is a good thing as i see it as allowing Ron to forge an idendity away from being 'Harry Potter's friend'

Ron is loyal, whatever he might have done, and that will never change. The Imperious Curse would be the only way i could see him doing anything bad.

[djorno]

In the imperious curse situation, I don't believe a duel between Harry and Ron would lead to the death. This is what would make it so interesting, is that, Harry would know about the curse and while he was trying to fend off Ron without killing him, he'd have to deal with whomever was controlling him in the first place.

[Yavanna]

That is the saddest situation ever, if Ron killed Harry. I don't think JKR would do it, some people would be so sad they may commit suicide! I know I would be depressed for months!!

[Snowangel]

I just don't think that Ron will go bad. I really have a hard time believing that. I do think, yes, that his jealousy of Harry and his own insecurities have not yet been dealt with and we will see more of this in the last part of the series. However, I just dont' think that Ron will turn to the dark side. It's possible, I suppose, that he might help the dark side, in some way, or play into their plans, without his knowledge. But this is all conjecture on my part. I really think that, whatever happens, Ron will ultimately be on the side of the good at the end of the novels.

[FawkesBox]

The "dark side" however offers powers which Harry would not have- which would make him excell Harry, just as Voldemort and DD

[zent]

And yet, Voldemort still fears Dumbledore. I doubt Ron could surpass Voldemort in power, and Harry has already stood up to, and in a sense, defeated Voldemort on more than one occasion.

[FawkesBox]

Clearly, however, Ron surpasses Harry in few things- the only one which comes to mind is chess- this may play a role...

[sanchou]

The one who would give his life as a sacrifice for someone else will never go bad.

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[FawkesBox]

Also, as was said previously- it may be more likely that Ron will make mistakes and succumb to tempation but not blatantly turn evil. I agree that he is the weakest of the three- look how immature he behaves in GOF when Harry's name is put in the Goblet

[GryffindorGal]

Originally posted by sanchou (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=310898#post310898))
The one who would give his life as a sacrifice for someone else will never go bad.




I don't think anyone here is saying that Ron is suddenly going leap out of bed one morning say "Geeee Think I'll become twisted and evil today" If Ron does something bad I think there will 1 of 2 causes at work 1 -- Imperious or 2 -- He's tricked.

I don't even think that Pettigrew intentionally went out to betray his friends. I think he was tricked and by the time he realised what he'd gotten himself involved with "they" had him. Probably just enough evidence to send him to Azkaban for life and he lacked the courage (as evidence in POA). . ."they would have killed me". . . to get out of it .

The difference is I think that Ron does have the courage to get out of it but I do think that he'll stumble into it first.

[Snape's Cape]

I really hope Ron doesn't go bad. I don't think he will, but the thought is worrying. The books rely on Harry, Ron and Hermione being close friends, and might not work if anything happens to jepordise that. If he did turn against his friends it would probably be under Imperius. He has proved his loyalty time and time again and wouldn't do it of his own free will. Sure he's been immature in the past, but he's 14 years old, not a grown up man. There have been plenty instances where Harry and Hermione have acted like brats as well.

[Little Fairy]

I don't think Ron will go bad, but I think someone else close to Harry will. It could be someone really unexpected, like one of the other Weasleys. They could then put Ron under the Imperius curse to make everyone think it was him. This would also show how strong Harry and Ron's friendship really is, whether Harry believes that Ron is innocent. (I hope that all made sense!)

Love Mary xxxxx

[zent]

I don't know why, but I kind of see Percy as having a shadowy side.

[Earendil]

I have no trouble in picturing the scenario of Ron going bad--temporarily. There's alot of evidence that suggests a side of Ron's character that is susceptible to the temptation of power, but it's also clear that Ron has a good heart and is a loyal friend. However, it may take some time for him to realize the difference between good and evil, and how power and corruption fit into the whole scheme of things. I can envision another fight between him and Harry, and Ron doing something terrible in the heat of the moment because of this slight weakness to his character, and then making amends for it.

[summer65]

I agree with you guys-- Ron wouldn't go bad voluntarily, he'd have to be tricked, or put under the imperius curse. Though he has shown a lot of instances wherein he acted like a stupid prat (GoF), we forget the times he acted NOT like one (chess game). But somehow I get the feeling Percy would be involved.

How sad. :'(

[Althea]

If Ron go bad on OotP, it will be utterly predictable (because of numerous ron-go-bad fics out there), but also it would be a quite nice story arc.

That's all I have to say...

:crush:

[HP_WizKid]

I think theres a big chance of Ron going bad,whether intentional or not i dont know ,maybe he would be so angry and do it purposely but then realise what hes done ,but i dont really believe that .Anyway has anyone thought about Hermione going bad because i was thinking soo much about Ron going bad i thought Ron has already had a fight/went against Harry what about Hermione ,could Voldemort capture Hermione maybe or something,that would be even worse if Harry was fooled by Hermione (hermione defiantly wouldnt do it intentionally to harry) .And if Harry had stronger feelings for hermione and had to hurt her ,hed never forgive himself!!anyway i doubt anything like this would happen in book 5 but in book six or seven its likely.
okay thats my opinion byeeee

[DarlingChild]

No, I honestly don't think Ron will go bad :p

I don't know why...I just can't see it happening.

Wow, there was a lot of real support for my opinion there :D

[too_wicked]

Ron's a bit jealous and I have to agree that he is the weakest of the three but I highly doubt he will betray Harry. He may be the weakest but I really think he is the one who really understands Harry. He knows Harry more than Hermione thinks she knows Harry. I also believe that even if he is weak, he'd rather die than betray Harry. We've seen it in PoA.

Cheers.

[GryffindorGal]

Originally posted by too_wicked (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=313046#post313046))
Ron's a bit jealous and I have to agree that he is the weakest of the three but I highly doubt he will betray Harry. He may be the weakest but I really think he is the one who really understands Harry. He knows Harry more than Hermione thinks she knows Harry. I also believe that even if he is weak, he'd rather die than betray Harry. We've seen it in PoA.

Cheers.


But then in GoF he does "betray" Harry's friendship by immediately believing the worst. Even though Harry had never given him cause to doubt him. It not until Harry's in a potentially lethal situation with a dragon that the truth sinks in. So there is a precedence however minor.

[Snape's Cape]

Personally I don't think Ron ever did believe Harry that put his own name in the Goblet. He was feeling jealous, angry and hurt at all the attention Harry was getting and knew just what to say to hurt him, which is one of the disadvantages of being such close friends. We see events through Harry's eyes and to him Ron's actions WERE a betrayal.

[zent]

I think it's more telling what Ron didn't do. When Harry throws the badge at him, Ron doesn't go after him. Ron never tries to actually hurt Harry. He gives him the cold shoulder, but he never actually does anything to physically harm Harry.

And besides, I don't think he would have done what he did if he hadn't known Hermione was there for Harry. He was venting his emotions, and he probably knew Harry could take the temporary heat.

[Barbara Kennedy]

I think part of Ron's problem in GoF was a surge of teenage hormones that he didn't know how to handle. He was confused and insecure and just lashed out at the first thing that PO'ed him. It just happened to be Harry.

[AvidSkyRise]

I think that Ron's insecurity is definitely getting the best of him but he is always going to be Harry's friend because Harry is there for him and he is there for Harry even if Harry gets most of the credit. I think that Ron knows Harry's intentions are good and it's not his fault that he gets the attention and I think eventually Ron is going to make a name for himself somehow.

[Hufflepuffy]

I agree, Avid. I think Ron will find his stride and make a name for himself. I really don't think he'll go bad. The only way I could see that happening is if he becomes so desperate to become unique that he heads down that path. but i see that as unlikely.

[mafiawizard]

I'm going to get pelted for this one, oh yes indeedy. Lots of replies like 'Ron is Harry's best friend - he'll never go bad' or 'Ron is in Gryffindor are you mad???'. I'm trying to instigate debate here. Hopefully the argument presented below is a little stonger than Dumbledore has a look of triumph ergo Dumbledore is evil.

OK. Here goes. This forum has spent a lot of time debating already whether or not Percy is bad egg in the Weasley brood, I suspect that maybe JKR is deliberately trying to mislead us on this one. Percy sets great store by rules, and I think that's what'll keep him good but ultimately hurt him. Neville has been setup to look like Wormtail, but I think we've seen through that one [I'll be very much surprised if we're wrong]. So I'd like to try and make a few points

(a) In my opinion Ron is the weakest of the trio. Both magically and in terms of character strength.
(b) Ron wants recognition above all else (Mirror of Erised scene). How far will he go to get it? And is jealous of (i) His brothers and (ii) Harry (GoF)
(c) The possibly looming love triangle between 'Harry, Ron and Hermione'. Ah, betrayal.
(d) Ron has his perdjudices (House elves) and spent the last two books in disagreement with Harry and Hermione in turn.

What do you think? A potential bad seed?
I do not think that Ron will do something bad. He and Harry are best friends and His whole family is against the death eaters.

[Cassiopia15]

I actually don't see Ron going bad, but a possible senario (did I spell that right?). Draco Malfoy joins his father as a Death Eater, and tries to kill Harry, but Ron is a loyal firend and duels him for Harry, but gets put under the Imperius, and then turns against Harry under Malfoy's control. And since Draco hates Harry so much, Ron will do anyting to kill him.
I don't see it, like I said, just a thought.

[hermeeownninny]

OK. Here goes. This forum has spent a lot of time debating already whether or not Percy is bad egg in the Weasley brood, I suspect that maybe JKR is deliberately trying to mislead us on this one. Percy sets great store by rules, and I think that's what'll keep him good but ultimately hurt him. Neville has been setup to look like Wormtail, but I think we've seen through that one [I'll be very much surprised if we're wrong]. So I'd like to try and make a few points

(a) In my opinion Ron is the weakest of the trio. Both magically and in terms of character strength.
(b) Ron wants recognition above all else (Mirror of Erised scene). How far will he go to get it? And is jealous of (i) His brothers and (ii) Harry (GoF)
(c) The possibly looming love triangle between 'Harry, Ron and Hermione'. Ah, betrayal.
(d) Ron has his perdjudices (House elves) and spent the last two books in disagreement with Harry and Hermione in turn.

What do you think? A potential bad seed?

I cannot believe I'm seeing this!! Ron, evil? Let me address each of your points..

a) I'd agree that Ron is the weakest magically, but Ron does have strength of character. Do you recall Ron and the chess game in book 1? Ron's greatest strength is his loyalty, which except for his fight with Harry in GoF- has never wavered. He is like Harry's number 1 cheerleader- whatever Harry says or wants to do, he supports him, whether he agrees with it or not. I see him sort of comparable to Sam in LOTR- the true, loyal friend.
b) Yes, Ron does want recognition above all else, but wanting to be recognized does not necessarily lead to evil? Hermione wants recognition too, but I don't see people speculating on if she's evil. I can't believe Ron would do something evil to get recognition- his contempt for Percy betraying the family is enough to convince me of this.
c) What love triangle? I do see chemistry between Ron and Hermione, but I don't see Harry and Hermione interested in each other at all. The whole idea of a love triangle is just shippers getting carried away with themselves.
d) Yes, Ron has his prejudices, but who doesn't? Isn't Harry a little prejudiced against Slytherins? How do we know all of them are evil? And yet Harry thinks they all are. Friends have disagreements; it's part of having a friendship. Ron and Hermione have always bickered, but that doesn't make either of them "a bad seed". Ron and Harry's disagreements are just a normal part of their growth as people and in their friendship. I think right now, Harry has grown up and Ron hasn't, and that leads to their tension. Ron doesn't understand Harry anymore.

As a Ron fan, I hope that leaves all doubt to rest. Weasley is our king!!!

[Zachary1993]

I think that Ron will help Harry and he will not go bad. Maybe Voldemort will control him to do bad things but he will not do nothing bad on purpose.

[Spirit]

I think that Ron may consider it, and he may even go as far as joining, but he'll regret it, and he'll go back the the Light Side. He isn't the kind of person that would become evil. He might start, but, if he does, he won't do it for long.

[lorna]

I don't think Ron will "go bad" but I do fear for him.
"there were deep welts were the brain's tentacles had wrapped around him......thoughts could leave deeper scarring than almost anything else"
I wonder if there could be some effect on Ron due to the injury that could play into some of his insecurties leaving him open to making some bad judgements.

[WeasleyIsOurKing]

a) I'd agree that Ron is the weakest magically, but Ron does have strength of character. Do you recall Ron and the chess game in book 1? Ron's greatest strength is his loyalty, which except for his fight with Harry in GoF- has never wavered. He is like Harry's number 1 cheerleader- whatever Harry says or wants to do, he supports him, whether he agrees with it or not. I see him sort of comparable to Sam in LOTR- the true, loyal friend.

I do too. Ron is not Percy (thank God) and the only way I can see Ron betraying Harry is if he were under the Imperius Curse. I wouldn't say Ron's loyalty wavered in GoF - he was pretty miffed, but had Harry been in a life threatening situation and Ron were the only one who could help, Ron wouldn't just sit back and watch him die.

b) Yes, Ron does want recognition above all else, but wanting to be recognized does not necessarily lead to evil? Hermione wants recognition too, but I don't see people speculating on if she's evil. I can't believe Ron would do something evil to get recognition- his contempt for Percy betraying the family is enough to convince me of this.

Ron wants recognition and he's getting it. He's a prefect and he's Keeper of the Gryffindor Quidditch team. :)


c) What love triangle? I do see chemistry between Ron and Hermione, but I don't see Harry and Hermione interested in each other at all. The whole idea of a love triangle is just shippers getting carried away with themselves.

Ah, take a trip down the Love Thread and you will see. :rolleyes: The idea is that Hermione is secretly in love with Harry. Somehow I don't see it, but there you go.

d) Yes, Ron has his prejudices, but who doesn't? Isn't Harry a little prejudiced against Slytherins? How do we know all of them are evil? And yet Harry thinks they all are. Friends have disagreements; it's part of having a friendship. Ron and Hermione have always bickered, but that doesn't make either of them "a bad seed". Ron and Harry's disagreements are just a normal part of their growth as people and in their friendship. I think right now, Harry has grown up and Ron hasn't, and that leads to their tension. Ron doesn't understand Harry anymore.

What makes you think they don't understand each other anymore? In OotP I can't recall any arguments between Harry and Ron. Ron basically agreed with whatever Harry said (except for the DA thing - Ron sided with Hermione after she came up with the idea of it). Hermione was the one constantly nagging Harry to do this, do that, don't do that, etc., etc. Ron doesn't try to control his life.

OotP, Scholastic edition, page 667
"Give it a rest, okay? He can make up his own mind."

There you go.


As a Ron fan, I hope that leaves all doubt to rest. Weasley is our king!!!

Amen to that!

[Juniper]

I can not see Ron ever going bad, he seems to devoted to Dumbledores Army to defect and following in the footsteps of Percy and the perhaps enter the death eaters circle. Ron has too much to offer in terms of strategy and aid for Harry and the group. He would have to give up there friendship and Hermione, so I just can not see Ron doing this kind of defecting to become bad. If he was going to do this then he would have supported Percy and he did not. So I think he will stay good.

[NepSy]

I don't think Ron will go bad. He's Harry's best friend. In OoP we saw him in Harry's side, helping him. After reading GoF I was afraid he could turn bad at some point. But now I think he's becoming more mature, with a stronger personality and he doesn't envy Harry anymore. By the way, I don't think there's a love triangle between Ron/Hermione/Harry. In my opinion Ron loves Hermione and Hermione loves Ron. Harry only sees Hermione as a friend. This is what I think.

[Sarmi]

I don't think Ron will go bad. He's Harry's best friend. In OoP we saw him in Harry's side, helping him. After reading GoF I was afraid he could turn bad at some point. But now I think he's becoming more mature, with a stronger personality and he doesn't envy Harry anymore. By the way, I don't think there's a love triangle between Ron/Hermione/Harry. In my opinion Ron loves Hermione and Hermione loves Ron. Harry only sees Hermione as a friend. This is what I think.
Same here. After GoF, I thought it was a possibility, but now after OotP, I don't know anymore.

It still is a possibility, but not as great. I can see Ron going bad for Harry to protect Harry, have a public break, get into Voldemort's side, and leaky information to the Order. But that itself is highly unlikely, but hey, a girl can dream.

Sarmi

[Barbara Kennedy]

*BUMP*

[hpfan10]

i agree with Sarmi

[Burnthis77]

personally, I think that Ron has the potential to become a strong wizard. I think he'll have to turn to the "dark side" to do so, but I think it's the best choice for him. Rowlings has made him pitiful. As to the previous post that Ron IS on the Quidditch team and a prefect. Dumbledore said that Ron was only made prefect because he didn't think harry wanted to deal with the responsibility. Also, didn't Angelina Johnson say that Ron was only picked as Keeper because he was the least worst of all the people who tried out.
I think Rowlings is setting Ron up for his break.
Of course, Ron could simply abandon Harry...in a way I think that might be more plausible and I know I'm conttradiciting myself in a some form but...
I can see Percy or a Weasley family member dying trying to help Harry and Ron hating Harry because of it. The whole Percy complex may come into play towards the end as well. Ron does have the power hungry gene in him and it shows through in the books, you just have to read between the lines.

[Izzieq]

I don't want to think that Ron would go bad. At least not intentionally. Maybe it's something where he is trying to do something to help Harry and without meaning to, it ends up doing the opposite.

Also, isn't there a reference by Ron, while making up predictions in Trelawney's class that says that Harry will be stabbed in the back by someone he considered a friend? I don't think that was put in there for no reason.

[SnorkackCatcher]

There were always little hints that Ron was susceptible in certain areas - e.g. all the remarks like "I hate being poor", and the desire to be successful like his brothers as seen in the Mirror of Erised. This did lead me to suspect that they might be setting something up - not necessarily an outright betrayal, but certainly Ron getting Harry into trouble by doing something foolish. Howver, based on the way things worked out in OotP, it looks like it's going to go the other way, with Ron actually getting his wishes to be Head Boy and Quidditch Captain. The Weasley family might also come into some money, either via Fred and George's inventions or Sirius' will. The effects on Ron would be interesting - would it give him extra confidence, or just extra arrogance like Percy? I don't think Ron will go entirely bad, but there's certainly scope for character conflicts here.

[Potter80]

I sure hope he doesn't go bad. I love the trio. I think they might have their problems but I think they will remain friends til the end.

[GryffindorGr]

I never really considered Ron ever going bad.
It's just so unlike him but what if it comes true. :(
'Ron? I mean Ron?? The only possible way is if he was under Imperius curse but even then you'd have to have a motivation deep inside to want to go against his friends, something more along the lines of acquiring greater power.

The mirror of erise has already come true for him. There is nothing more that he has needed, infact, his life is pretty enriched with good friends around him and a family. I just cant see him going bad.

[callistto]

As to the previous post that Ron IS on the Quidditch team and a prefect. Dumbledore said that Ron was only made prefect because he didn't think harry wanted to deal with the responsibility. Also, didn't Angelina Johnson say that Ron was only picked as Keeper because he was the least worst of all the people who tried out.
I think Rowlings is setting Ron up for his break.
Of course, Ron could simply abandon Harry...in a way I think that might be more plausible and I know I'm conttradiciting myself in a some form but...
I can see Percy or a Weasley family member dying trying to help Harry and Ron hating Harry because of it. The whole Percy complex may come into play towards the end as well. Ron does have the power hungry gene in him and it shows through in the books, you just have to read between the lines.

I agree. I think Ron will turn bad. I also agree that it would be out of character for him to become a dark mark wearing, robe hem kissing, devoted groveler of LV. There are other ways, minister of magic like ways, for him to become bad. Ron loves the status and power that came with being a prefect. He doesn't show it the way Percy does, I personally think this has less to do with being humble than it does with being insecure. He loved being in the spotlight after winning the Quidditch cup, and had no trouble embellishing whenever he talked about it.

Im sure LV could use Ron's love of being in the spotlight to his advantage, just like he used Harry's love of playing the hero. Ron hates being poor and is always aware of how much things cost or how much more money others have could also be used to divide the trio. Ive noticed too that Ron's attitudes towards non humans are prejudiced too. Besides his disinterest in house elves rights he usually has a negative perception of other creatures, eg. his reaction on hearing about giants.

I think that to prove himself combined with his resentment of Harry's fame, Ron will be tricked by LV into a course of action that will be at odds with Harry and Hermione. Maybe to save his family or whatever. Especially if he finds out why he was chosen as a prefect or Quidditch keeper.

If Ron can tell the future when he is joking, he did say he was going
to kill Hagrid if he ever got out of Azkaban. Random speculation but what if his distrust of giants makes him think that Hagrid hurt his family and gets angry that Harry and Hermione disagree and is duped into killing Hagrid.

[Burnthis77]

I agree. I think Ron will turn bad. I also agree that it would be out of character for him to become a dark mark wearing, robe hem kissing, devoted groveler of LV. There are other ways, minister of magic like ways, for him to become bad. Ron loves the status and power that came with being a prefect. He doesn't show it the way Percy does, I personally think this has less to do with being humble than it does with being insecure. He loved being in the spotlight after winning the Quidditch cup, and had no trouble embellishing whenever he talked about it.

Im sure LV could use Ron's love of being in the spotlight to his advantage, just like he used Harry's love of playing the hero. Ron hates being poor and is always aware of how much things cost or how much more money others have could also be used to divide the trio. Ive noticed too that Ron's attitudes towards non humans are prejudiced too. Besides his disinterest in house elves rights he usually has a negative perception of other creatures, eg. his reaction on hearing about giants.

I think that to prove himself combined with his resentment of Harry's fame, Ron will be tricked by LV into a course of action that will be at odds with Harry and Hermione. Maybe to save his family or whatever. Especially if he finds out why he was chosen as a prefect or Quidditch keeper.

If Ron can tell the future when he is joking, he did say he was going
to kill Hagrid if he ever got out of Azkaban. Random speculation but what if his distrust of giants makes him think that Hagrid hurt his family and gets angry that Harry and Hermione disagree and is duped into killing Hagrid.



....I agree. Except about the giant thing. And I don't think Ron will be a death eater either. I don't think he has it in him to be so sumbmissive to someone he hates that much.
I said he would go over to the dark side...not become a dark wizard. This sounds like a contradiction but it's not. There's a difference. Good wizards can be on the dark side as well. And I hate to use the term dark side..but I can't think of another one. ....Well...maybe almost 'paladin' or something I can use. I don't think he would EVER join Voldemort. Let's not forget...deep down Ron is a great guy. He's a genuinely good person, but that does not mean he cannot be jaded into a darker person.
He would do anything to protect his family and Hermione...(if you can't tell I am a R/HR shipper...but I wasn't always...I was converted.)
Anyway....I think if the time came down to it....Ron would opt for Hermione and his family's safety over Harry...It would be a hard choice to make but I think that's the path he'd chose.
I also have a love (but not the whole Harry-Hermione-Ron triangle thing) scenario that could come into play...but I'll save that for later.

[fooshki]

I've read this several times and honestly think it's been done to death. I love Ron and don't think he'd even consider it. But then this is really all just speculation for now. And we can debate all we want but no one will know for sure until no. 7.

[jordmundt6]

I can see Ron walking out on the friendship over some perceived slight in Book 7 and then returning to sacrifice himself nobly. I can't IMAGINE him as anything close to a DE.

[fooshki]

Oh here we go.... The good old cliches out in full force.. It's been done to death! If J.K wanted something cliched and predictible and boring she wouldn't of started writing Harry Potter.. please!!! Ron is not going to turn to the dark side! I didn't see jealousy ONCE in OOTP! (oops when Hermione was writing to Krum!) And as for the money issue how do we know he won't start working part time at fred and george's joke shop for a bit of money over the holidays??

Leave Ron alone!! :sad:

[DrummerboyDT]

Ron won't go bad! He's too influenced by Harry to want to go against him. Ron is pretty faithful to his friends, though he might have some jealousy sometimes, it's normal for a person his age.

[jasper]

I don't think Ron will "go bad" but I do fear for him.
"there were deep welts were the brain's tentacles had wrapped around him......thoughts could leave deeper scarring than almost anything else"
I wonder if there could be some effect on Ron due to the injury that could play into some of his insecurties leaving him open to making some bad judgements.

thoughts leaving deep scars- that's the worry with Ron. It's the things Ron gets in his head that cause the rifts in the trio. He thinks Harry entered the triwizard on purpose and goes around mad for half a book. He thinks Hermione has a thing for Krum and gets all riled up. It's hard to get Ron to back off anything once the thougt gets in his head.

[MadMagic]

I don't think that Ron will go bad. In GoF with the tri wizard controversy, Ron was angry and jealous of once again living in Harry's shadow. I think he is over that now, or hopefully he is getting to the age to be over that kind of stuff. Being made a prefect and making the quidditch team really I think helped solve a lot of Ron's problems. Now that Ron realizes that Harry is in a dangerous situation and that the wizarding world is in a dangerous situation, I think that he will be able to put his jealousy aside.

I don't really know what the incident in the DoM will do to him. There didn't seem to be any problems in the end of OotP but I guess that was a bit early to tell.

[Burnthis77]

see what I mean? All you who are saying oh no, Ron can't possibly go bad...he's too influenced by Harry yada yada yada....you're talking about him like he's such an idiot and so pitiful that he can't make his own decisions. I hate it when people think Ron is just there to be there. Did you ever think Ron doesn't want to tag along with Harry all the time.
I full on agree that he's as noble as they come...but there can't be any comparison between Ron's family and Harry. Ron definetly cares more about Hermione than he does about Harry. And as Ron grows older...I think his love for Hermione will become more defined and his choices will become harder to make.......sorry I'm getting off track. Just ignore me, I like to rant.

[GryffindorGr]

I can see Ron walking out on the friendship over some perceived slight in Book 7 and then returning to sacrifice himself nobly. I can't IMAGINE him as anything close to a DE.

Now that i think about it, its possible in this way but I can't see him really turning bad, like going to the side of the enemy or anything. Perhaps just going against his friends but never really being an enemy. He has outward jealousy tendancies and is really hot headed but overall, no, I dont think so. DE material he is not and he despises that too.

[Earendil]

Ron definetly cares more about Hermione than he does about Harry.

:huh: I agreed with the first few points of your post, but you've lost me here. Where do you get that Ron cares more about one of his best friends than the other?

I always kept the possibility of Ron going bad in the back of my mind, until OotP. Rowling effectively built up a pattern of Ron harboring bitter feelings of jealousy and self-deprecation, culminating in his often moody and surly fits in GoF. However, this was almost entirely reversed in OotP. There are now few signs of the feelings that I felt could have easily prompted Ron to the Dark Side. I don't think Rowling intends for Ron to turn bad, now that she's made the effort to rectify the problems that may have led him to seek comfort in Voldemort.

Unless, of course, the infamous Brain Attack did indeed do something to him. I see Ron as a character that can be manipulated, not because he's weak or incapable of defending himself, but because he doesn't strike me as someone who's extremely world-wise. The likes of Voldemort or the DEs would find Ron to be a somewhat easy target for getting inside Harry's circle, and the random brain attack in the DoM is still somewhat suspicious to me. Perhaps the 'thoughts' that left scars on him have somehow lowered his defenses, making him more vulnerable to, say, Legilimency?

[WeasleyIsOurKing]

Also, isn't there a reference by Ron, while making up predictions in Trelawney's class that says that Harry will be stabbed in the back by someone he considered a friend? I don't think that was put in there for no reason.

In GoF he was sort of stabbed in the back by Ron, but he was also stabbed in the back by Professor Moody/Crouch Jr.

I can't see Ron going bad by his own will. Controlled by the Imperius Curse? Yeah, but anyone could be manipulated by that.

Ron has definitely grown up since GoF. He doesn't complain about being poor anymore or get mad at Harry - perhaps he realizes the seriousness of the situation that he's smack in the middle of. He may not be on the emtional level that Hermione would like him to be (emotional range of a teaspoon, hehe), but he's close.

[lorna]

He's also gotten out of Harry's shadow a little, being choosen prefect
and helping Gryffindor win the Quidditch final.
I hope Ron gets out of the books alright but like I said earlier, I worry
about that freckled boy.
If I were LV, of Hermoine and Ron, I'd target Ron.

[toryvic]

This is preposterous (I mean it in the nicest possible way) of course Ron won't go bad, not only is it a ridiculous cliche, but there's no real evidence to back this up. So he gets a fit of jealousy once in a blue moon, don't we all? It doesn't mean he's going to become a baddie!
He's not the sort of person to allow himslef to be led, and although people call him a sidekick, I really don't think he is!

People suggest that he'll go bad because he's frustrated that he's not the strongest wizard of the trio, but I think people are underestimating his power as a wizard in his own right, after all, as Harry himself says, Ron has the edge academically.
We can expect great things from Ron, and I'm certain that he'll pay a key role in what will come to pass

[Polychrome]

Ron has definitely grown up since GoF. He doesn't complain about being poor anymore or get mad at Harry - perhaps he realizes the seriousness of the situation that he's smack in the middle of. He may not be on the emtional level that Hermione would like him to be (emotional range of a teaspoon, hehe), but he's close.

What I think is rather interesting about Ron is that in some ways, he's always been more mature than Harry and Hermione. Socially, he understands more than he lets on. Maybe he doesn't understand girls, but he seems to understand the darker side of things such as Muggle-baiting or calling somebody a "mudblood". The speech he made in Chamber of Secrets really defines his character. He is aware of horrors and imperfections in the world at a young age. Makes you wonder if he ever really was the "innocent" one. Ron, of all people, seems to also understand from the start of Order of the Phoenix that Harry does NOT want or enjoy the attention he gets. What's he do when one of Harry's own roommates starts turning on him? Ron threatens him with detention. Whoa there, Ron!

Ron really IS starting to find his own identity by Order of the Phoenix. Even though plenty of his brothers were prefects, none of his brothers played Goalie. And it seems like each of the players on the Quidditch team said at one point that Ron really did have the talent for the position. It was just his confidence that he was lacking in. Once he gets some, he ends up winning the cup. Who knew? (For the record, at least in soccer, Goalie seems to be the traditional place for strategic types to play. They can see the whole game ahead of them and call out to the other players as necessary. So this is a very good place for Ron to be.)

Ron also is very loyal I think. I already mentioned the scene in the dormitory. There's plenty of other times Ron has shown loyalty, like a brother. For example, Ron dragged Harry to bed when he was too sick to move.

So why does everybody think Ron's gonna go evil?

Heck, why do all the running gags, such as the "murphy's law" or "divination" gag get pegged to Ron? (The "murphy's law" gag, where somebody says something they think is rediculous and it happens, has applied to all of the Trio, Trelawney, and...of all people....Umbridge. Personally, I think JKR's sense of humor just plain works that way.)

Are people just paranoid because of the "Ronald's Evil" anagram? (Ollivander's also can be mixed around to say "Ronald Lives".) I'm really not sure. JKR herself has said that people have thought from the start that Ron is target #1. Since Ollivander's has been around for the entire series, this makes sense.

Some people think that Ron will get into a fight over Hermione with Harry and that'll be the end of the trio. Let's back up here, shall we?

First of all, friends FIGHT! I cannot possibly emphasize this enough! The best type of friends are those who can get in fights or arguments and still come out friends in the end. Hermione has also been picked on in this regard. In Sorceror's Stone and Prisoner of Azkaban, It was Harry and Ron vs. Hermione. You don't see people screaming "HERMIONE IS EVIL!" now do you?

Next, we must understand something important. Harry and Hermione's relationship with each other is PURELY platonic. Hermione has a bit of a tomboyish side, and well, tomboys often hang out with guys. Harry has shown no romantic interest in Hermione whatsoever, and vice versa. (Hermione actually sounded slightly upset in Goblet of Fire that Ron hadn't asked her before she agreed to go with Victor!) Heck, after Cho, Harry will probably hide in the Honeyduke's tunnel for a week before he even considers dating again. Harry and Ron might have their arguments, but they sure won't be over Hermione.

Then, we have a certain movie that just came out. JKR has said, repeatedly, that the movies hint on the characters' relationships long before her books do. I don't see Ron grabbing Hermione. I see Hermione latching onto Ron! This isn't just Ron having a crush on Hermione here. In the books, Hermione, when talking about Ron, or what bugs her about him, always sounds like a wife complaining about her husband. It's cute though, isn't it?

The brains. What about the brains? Well, Ron's never been the most confident person. We had an entire book of Draco Malfoy taunting him with "Weasley is our King". And what happens?

Well, I'm thinking the brains are more symbolic than anything. We've all heard "Sticks and stones will break your bones but words will never hurt you." Well, the brain situation seems to preach the exact opposite of this. And we've seen millions of cases in all the books where it's words and thoughts, rather than "sticks and stones", that hurt the characters. But as for a physical plot device that makes sense, I've seen several fics where Ron ends up retaining memories from the brains that attacked him. So he starts remembering things he shouldn't. In JKR's world? Makes perfect sense.

Anywho, Ron evil? Nah. But I guess it's still fun to draw him insane...

[wahsup86]

How easily it seems we forget how loyal to Harry Ron is! Remember in Prisoner of Azkaban? He was ready to DIE for Harry, remember what he said to Sirius while they thought he was a murderer? If you want to kill Harry you'll have to kill us too. Yeah, they had a falling out for a brief period, but Ron still cared about Harry, even if he was mad at him, which we can infer from when he interupts Harry/Sirius conversation in the common room, he came down to see what was going on with Harry. If anything Ron would be the first to die FOR Harry.

[Arthur Weasley]

I'm going to get pelted for this one, oh yes indeedy. Lots of replies like 'Ron is Harry's best friend - he'll never go bad' or 'Ron is in Gryffindor are you mad???'. I'm trying to instigate debate here. Hopefully the argument presented below is a little stonger than Dumbledore has a look of triumph ergo Dumbledore is evil.

OK. Here goes. This forum has spent a lot of time debating already whether or not Percy is bad egg in the Weasley brood, I suspect that maybe JKR is deliberately trying to mislead us on this one. Percy sets great store by rules, and I think that's what'll keep him good but ultimately hurt him. Neville has been setup to look like Wormtail, but I think we've seen through that one [I'll be very much surprised if we're wrong]. So I'd like to try and make a few points

(a) In my opinion Ron is the weakest of the trio. Both magically and in terms of character strength.
(b) Ron wants recognition above all else (Mirror of Erised scene). How far will he go to get it? And is jealous of (i) His brothers and (ii) Harry (GoF)
(c) The possibly looming love triangle between 'Harry, Ron and Hermione'. Ah, betrayal.
(d) Ron has his perdjudices (House elves) and spent the last two books in disagreement with Harry and Hermione in turn.

What do you think? A potential bad seed?

I completely agree. Ron's lust for success and fame will cause him to choose that over friendship. But, I don't necessarily think he'll go to You-Know-Who. I think his friendship with Harry and Hermione might end, and he also might befriend people like Draco.

Now, I can also see his loyalty to Harry and his willingness to fight preventing him from ever "going bad". But can it happen? I think so.

[Silkeng]

I would have never considered Ron as one to turn bad. He has always been completely loyal to Harry, angry and a normal teenager but not bad. He always complains about not having good things, but I think he will find a way to make money like Fred and George and not turn bad in the process just successful. Or maybe I am just hopeful that this theory is bad and Ron stays true to Harry.

[Hagrid442]

Ron will not go bad. At least, not intentionally. I agree that he's immature, and not as brave as Harry, and that would make him with the weakest character of the three. But, I think he's immature in comparison to the other two because a) he's a boy and b) he has had a much easier life than Harry (poverty notwithstanding). Ron does have some selfish aims, like money and recognition, but that's not unlike many boys his age. Ron also is loyal to a fault, and brave when he needs to be.

If he does something that would harm Hermione and/or Harry, it would be inadvertant. It might even be that he becomes a target.

[nightingale]

I don't think Ron will go bad. He does have a desire to get out from under the shadows of his brothers and Harry, but it's not so great that he would pick that over what is "good" and right.

Even in GoF, in which Ron is incredibly jealous of Harry, when Ron realizes the depth of the situation, he goes back and apologises to Harry. I just read this over, and realise that I'm horrible at explaining this, so I will give you the exchange:

"But Harry was looking at Ron, who was very white and staring at Harry as thought he were a ghost.

'Harry,' he said, very seriously, 'whoever put your name in that goblet--I--I reckon they're trying to do you in!'

It was as though the last few weeks had ever happened--as though Harry were meeting Ron for the first time, right after he'd been made champion. (p. 358, GoF).

I haven 't noticed any signs of Ron's loyalty wavering since.

[fahadwajid]

ron has the potential to go bad , actually so does harry but nie ther of them will go bad in the next tow book. it is too short a time for thier personal discontent to lead them bad. at the end of two years we do not know weteher they will survive to go bad or not.

as far as percy is concerned he will not go bad atleast intentionally. he is follower of rules, and i do not think he will intentionally set bad rules for himself, how ever as it happened in gof and and ootp he may be led to do bad things under false pretenses. in gof he would have done any crouch would have said except doing something wrong, as in illlegal

[Katie_Bell]

I don't think Ron will go bad. I think that deep down his roots tie him to good things and that with be most important to him later in life. He does want fame and fortune, but look what his family has been through. I think if he eveer did becasue rich and famous, it wouldn't turn him gredy or bad, he'd use it to help his family. I think that Ron has good in him and that isn't something thats going to change.

[Stephie]

I think he'll die fighting(on the good side)or, sacrifice himself.

[Stephie]

Well, he is always shadowed by his elder brothers, right? So, he just wants to be someone important, popular. Voldemort could change the way Ron Weasley lives.

[nrogara]

I don't think Ron would ever go bad. It's not in his upbringing nor his character up to date. Jealousy and immaturity are not things that lead people on the path to evil. Usually it's lust of ultimate power. Does Ron want some of Harry's attention and money? Sure, he's immature that way but face it except for one time he's lived with being in the background. I mean I might have believed it had during their fight he has sported a 'Potter Sucks' badge or bad mouthed Harry or something like that. But no matter how angry and jealous he was he didn't do those things because it's not in him to do it.

[missem]

Didn't JKR already answer this question?

E: Is there a sense that some people say good characters are boring and evil characters are always the more interesting. And there's the famous line about Milton and of course he writes Paradise Lost and God is a bore and the devil is interesting.

JK: Well, you see, Harry is good. And I personally do not find Harry boring at all. I mean, he has his faults. Ron and Hermione are both very good characters.
Also, I can't see why she would. I like Ron, but let's be realistic here- JKR isn't going to devote a plot that big for Harry's sidekick, especially when she's only got two books left.

[Kelfa21]

Sadly...I'm a believer that Ron could cross over to the "dark side"...lol!

Ron seeks attention...he is the youngest of five extrodinary older brothers...and he has yet to find his purpose...Look at his refelction in the Mirror, he is head boy and quidditch captain...the best of all his brothers

Ron also jumps to conclusions and lets his heart misguide him...for example, when he stopped speaking to Harry for that short time after Harry's name came out of the Goblet....Ron automatically assumed Harry put his name in the Goblet himself...somehow and did it to achieve more fame and power...

Ron also seems to let his fears over take him...the Devil's snare in SS/PS, the spiders in CoS, Ron's fear of punishing the Twins and of Quidditch in OotP...however he does find his bravery at the last moment...a good example of this is the Chess game in SS/PS

I think its pausible that Ron could be tempted to betray Harry and The Order...even if its something small...like leaking information or something...but redeeming himself spectacularly in the end...

I love Ron!

[Scoop33]

I don't think that Ron will go to the dark side. I don't think any of the main three characters will go to the dark side either. One, this is a childrens book that has so many fans over the world, JKR just can't go and kill them. Yes, many people did like Sirius, but he wasn't as much of an impact as Harry was. Ron would know better than going to the dark side. He has helped Harry along with Hermione to fight the dark side, I don't think that Ron would help Voldemort after he helped Harry. I don't even think Voldemort would trust Ron after all he has done to help Harry defeat him in all of the previous books. Also, it is a no brainer that Hermione will stay on the good side because I could picture Harry going over to the dark side faster than I could Hermione. All together, JKR IMO wouldn't do anything to end the series with disappoint that would make many HP fans around the world angered and sad about the ending. I could see Draco being sucked to the dark side and dying in the end trying to help Voldemort kill Harry. Thats just my two cents though.

[GryffindorGal]

I haven't posted in quite a while but POA's release has brought me back for a bit.

I can't help but think about that Brain that attacked Ron in OOTP and the accompanying line that thought can leave deeper scars. I'd be willing to bet that this brain was an "eviiiiiil" brain. (would a kindly benevolent brain attack a person . .yeah I know that sounds weird :p) I've also been wondering if it could be possible that the Brain were trying to implant thoughts in his head.

Hmmm what if this Brain were that of a death eater and could still be controlled by LV? LV could use that Brain to act against Harry or the Order via Ron and Ron being unable to stop it.

Or perhaps JKR's anagram of the name Ollivander's is true. Ollivander's = Ronald's Evil. Or maybe she was just playing around with that one and it gave her the idea for the Tom Marvolo Riddle anagram in COS?

Tina

[SEES]

Hi!

I've just been reading the reviews of PoA movie in The Leaky Cauldron's website. TLC editor Melissa Annelli has written a good review of the film, but she did mention something "alarming":
In the movie, Ron is not depicted as good/nice/friendly/close to Harry/ as he is in the books. In the movie Ron is (at least in M.A.'s view) ... well, different and maybe not so loyal to Harry.
I immediately connected this with JKR's comments that some future things were foreshadowed in this movie. So, my point: COULD RON EVER TURN EVIL? I CERTAINLY don't hope so!

I'm only theorizing, and I haven't seen the film. (It is not yet in the theaters in my country.)

[KnightBusRider]

I don't think Ron will go bad - but I do have a hunch that he will make some crucial mistakes. (This is a true hunch, because I have no evidence to base this on).
While I don't think Ron will go bad, I do think one of the Weasley's will. I'll get back to you when I get my thoughts straight on which one.

[Scoop33]

While I don't think Ron will go bad, I do think one of the Weasley's will.

I can't picture any of the Weasley's going bad after Percy did. He will straigten up, and I don't think he will make the same mistake again. You learn from you mistakes.

[KnightBusRider]

I can't picture any of the Weasley's going bad after Percy did..

I don't think Percy really went bad. Yeah he acted like a real jerk, but I believe he was misguided....we'll have to see on that one.

[HrH]

This thing could go on for years, or well months maybe. We will only find out the truth the very same day book 6 comes out. Meanwhile it's very interesting to foreshadow what's up for us.....

i believe that the trio have an amaizing sense of unity, they do everything together and you can't really describe one without considering the other two.

Ron WILL make a huge mistake and will have to suffer the consecuences like Harry does with everything, he will finally understand what is like to be in his BF shoes....

Hermi on the other side, i always wonder why we know sooooo little about her parents and her life as a muggle, i mean, we know lots about Rons and well you may say that it's cause their wizards but seriously why can't they be more involved in the life of their daghter????
i think that they will end up in the hands of somebody from the evil side, im not saying they die, but it's something to consider.... plus i think this will bring the real Hermione out and she will fight for something of her's not of her best friends....

[meep meep]

I think Ron turning bad is a possibility but I think he will never really turn totally evil, though his jealosey will eventually the better of him sooner or later. :D