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iluvhhr
October 3rd, 2004, 4:18 am
From http://www.biblecodecritic.com/page.php/24 :

Bible code research is said to date back to at least the 12th century, when rabbinical scholars first wrote about discovering meaningful words hidden in the Hebrew text of the Torah.

Tradition among the most devout Jewish scholars holds that everything and everyone that ever was or ever will be was recorded in the text of the first five books of the Bible. Thus, as it was passed down letter by letter from God to Moses, then generation by generation to modern times, great care has been taken to preserve it intact. Rabbis encouraged caution in Torah copyists by reminding them that just one letter lost in their work could bring about the end of the world.

Only very slight changes have occurred in the original text over the 3,200 years since Moses first received it – a wonder that ranks among the great miracles of the ages. As the Torah was preserved by a miracle, so were the Jewish people, despite tremendous persecution and being without a homeland for 19 centuries.

More than 50 years ago, a Jewish rabbi (H.M.D. Weissmandel) noted that if you start with a T (tav) in the first verse of the book of Genesis, skip 50 letters, pick up a V (vav), skip another 50 letters, pick up an R (resh), skip another 50 letters, and pick up an H (heh), you have TVRH, or Torah as it is spelled in Hebrew.

Now this occurs, mind you, not only in the first book of the Torah, but also in the first verses of the books of Exodus and Numbers. It also appears in the first chapter of the book of Deuteronomy. In each case there is also a skip of exactly 50 letters.

For example, Michael Drosnin begins his book, The Bible Code, with a show-stopping claim: the assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in November 1995 was foretold by hidden Hebrew codes in the ancient text of the Bible.

What’s more, Drosnin also found the name of the assassin, Amir, as a code near the original ones, as well as a code which meant, "name of assassin." Furthermore, a code for Tel Aviv, the city where the shooting occurred was also discovered, as well as a code for the year when it occurred.

Drosnin doesn't stop with the Rabin codes, however. He goes on to present numerous clusters of codes that would be astounding if only they were not coincidental.

Here is a sampler of codes that are displayed in crossword clusters:

Economic collapse, the depression, 1929 and stocks.
Atomic holocaust and 1945.
Watergate and "Who is he? President, but he was kicked out."
World War and atomic holocaust.

While all of these are bad events, Drosnin also presents a few positive clusters:

Wright brothers and airplane.
Shakespeare, presented on stage, Macbeth and Hamlet.
Newton and gravity.
Edison, electricity and light bulb.
Fall of, communism, Russian, in China next.

Does anyone believe in this stuff? I'm not too sure, but it is kind of creepy. I found some other stuff that was really creepy, so I'll put it in spoiler form, in case some people don't want to see it:

An atomic holocaust is expected to begin in the Middle East in 2006, along with a red star shining in the sky during daylight (which has been found by the Hubble telescope), and an earthquake in Japan. World War III is supposed to begin soon. In 2010, one of the world's most active volcanoes, Etna, is expected to blow, along with a comet hitting earth, possibly landing in India. Yellowstone National Park is found with the words choking, dust, ash darkness, etc. There is actually a massive, sleeping volcano under Yellowstone. 2012 is expected to be the time when Earth ends.

So what do you think?

Kirsten
October 3rd, 2004, 12:40 pm
I think you could go through any book in the world counting letters to make up things you want to say.

Midnightsfire
October 3rd, 2004, 1:19 pm
Bible code research is said to date back to at least the 12th century, when rabbinical scholars first wrote about discovering meaningful words hidden in the Hebrew text of the Torah.Yeah. Derived Kabbalah stuff...at least that's how I see it.

Does anyone believe in this stuff? I'm not too sure, but it is kind of creepy. I found some other stuff that was really creepy, so I'll put it in spoiler form, in case some people don't want to see it:
An atomic holocaust is expected to begin in the Middle East in 2006,
Plausible.

World War III is supposed to begin soon.
I believe our current president made certain decisions that may have set up a chain of events that could lead to more violence, but a world war? (And I'm sure of US involvement as well as possible cause...)

In 2010, one of the world's most active volcanoes, Etna, is expected to blow, along with a comet hitting earth, possibly landing in India.
Both are plausible. Considering that we probably won't ever get any sort of warning of ceslestial threats such as comets or meteors, this is difficult to judge.

Yellowstone National Park is found with the words choking, dust, ash darkness, etc. There is actually a massive, sleeping volcano under Yellowstone. 2012 is expected to be the time when Earth ends.
*nods* Yellowstone National Park is indeed a "super-volcano." One that is "overdue" to erupt. (about 2500 times the size of Mt St Helens' eruption too...When ya gotta go, ya gotta go.)


So what do you think?I think that there have been predictions of doom and gloom for millenia. When something finally does happen, as it will in time, they point and say 'see the proof.'

Man has the intelligence to forestall any apocalyptic scenario but wastes it.

(I would've put the Fall of China as negative than positive.)

busy91
October 3rd, 2004, 2:21 pm
Were you watching this last night on TV? I saw part one a few months ago and caught part 2 last night.

As for believing it, I don't know. It looks convincing, but it could be random. I really need to dig deeper into it. I hadn't really thought to much about it, but the program I saw last night made me more interested and seeing if the things they say are truly codes.

Like Clinton, Impeachment and Maidservent was a little odd.

Midnightsfire I read your spoiler, I especially find the last paragraph interesting. But - SPOILER BELOW



If the volcano is set to erupt in 2012, what is this talk of a meteor hitting the earth at that time? But if the meteor hits India 2 years prior, won't the volcano eruption of 2012 be moot? Too many theories for me to comprehend. But like you said, when ya gotta go...

Jena Evans
October 3rd, 2004, 9:57 pm
Interesting...

Not entirely sure what to make of it all. I don't really believe most, if any, of it. It appears, to me, to be either random coincidences or people trying to find things to say whatever they want. I'm extremely skeptical of all this, but that doesn't mean that it isn't possible.

As for the spoiler stuff that was brought up, I don't particularly care all that much. If all that stuff is being "predicted" correctly, then what's the fuss? If it's going to happen, then it's going to happen. If the "predictions" are wrong, then they're wrong. *shrugs* I guess we'll find out either way. But I do agree with busy91 about how there's so many theories that if one proves false, then what validity do the rest of them hold? Not much...

offca
October 4th, 2004, 8:46 am
I believe whole Torah is truth, and for sure everything is in there. but also we were given from Moses traditional way to read it - and thru centuries there were always same ways of reading deeper meanings in Torah. I am not so sure if this way of reading "codes" have anything to do with reality. especially that Hebrew is very special language - words are very short, mostly build on three letters, and very minimalistic - sometimes one word we need to translate into four words in English. Because of that it very easy to produce whatever we want having just a few letters.

I am sceptic on the way of reading it - not the source.

Liselle
October 10th, 2004, 12:31 pm
I'd have to say I'm skeptical that there are such hidden messages in the Bible or the Torah or both. I think that you could probably go through either book and divine your own code to fit your own purposes. Having said that though the results are very interesting :agree: