Old romantics: George Sand and Chopin Vs Harry Potter

[Darynthe]

I am reading a few books about the Chopin and George Sand's realtionship and it is a widely known fact that she always treated him (and other of her lovers) as one her children and her romantic love had always a side of maternal care. She was one of the most charming woman of her times, not because she was model like beautiful but because of her culture, intelligence, ability to move politically and to forward the rights of women in a century where they were second class citizens.

On the other hand Fredrick Chopin was a dreamer, a genius, a very sensitive shy soul. And this is one of the most romantic relationships of all time.

I see here a hint of a real life relationship that might be a mirror in a way of Hermione and Harry. Hermione seems to be a great elf rights activist (or will be). And a very cultured person too, plus very smart.

On the other hand, I've seen a few people whose two main obsessions are Harry Potter series and Frederick Chopin. I never thought I'd found there a bond, but seems to attrack the same kind of people.

Does anybody else here has written about this or this is too way out of our modern times reading and stuff to be familiar with?

[delemtri]

I am reading a few books about the Chopin and George Sand's realtionship and it is a widely known fact that she always treated him (and other of her lovers) as one her children and her romantic love had always a side of maternal care. She was one of the most charming woman of her times, not because she was model like beautiful but because of her culture, intelligence, ability to move politically and to forward the rights of women in a century where they were second class citizens.

On the other hand Fredrick Chopin was a dreamer, a genius, a very sensitive shy soul. And this is one of the most romantic relationships of all time.

I see here a hint of a real life relationship that might be a mirror in a way of Hermione and Harry. Hermione seems to be a great elf rights activist (or will be). And a very cultured person too, plus very smart.

On the other hand, I've seen a few people whose two main obsessions are Harry Potter series and Frederick Chopin. I never thought I'd found there a bond, but seems to attrack the same kind of people.

Does anybody else here has written about this or this is too way out of our modern times reading and stuff to be familiar with?

I think the issue is that Chopin and Harry are really not very alike: Chopin, a creative, depressive, perpetually unhealthy genius; vs. Harry, an athlete, a hero, a doer rather than a thinker. Chopin leads himself to a maternal-ish romance, but I don't think Harry does.

[Darynthe]

I think the issue is that Chopin and Harry are really not very alike: Chopin, a creative, depressive, perpetually unhealthy genius; vs. Harry, an athlete, a hero, a doer rather than a thinker. Chopin leads himself to a maternal-ish romance, but I don't think Harry does.


Are you familiar with the Personality sorting of Jung? I think both Chopin and Harry are INFPs.

I realize what you say and you're perfectly right. Chopin's health was something that marked his life 100%. He was very frail but very masculine too anyway. Harry is very healthy and athletic fortunately. I don't think they have much about their lives, except a introverted very sensible nature.

We don't know who will Harry love, but by now his friendship with Hermione has made her be a little maternal towards him, she is like that, not only with him but with Ron and Neville. But she is very drawn to Harry although they are so different.

[delemtri]

Are you familiar with the Personality sorting of Jung? I think both Chopin and Harry are INFPs.

I realize what you say and you're perfectly right. Chopin's health was something that marked his life 100%. He was very frail but very masculine too anyway. Harry is very healthy and athletic fortunately. I don't think they have much about their lives, except a introverted very sensible nature.

We don't know who will Harry love, but by now his friendship with Hermione has made her be a little maternal towards him, she is like that, not only with him but with Ron and Neville. But she is very drawn to Harry although they are so different.

I'm familiar with Jung (INFP isn't Jung, that's Keirsey) and disagree with it 100%. I don't think Harry and Chopin are the least bit similar, and I'm not sure either of them are introverted or sensible.

[Darynthe]

Ouch, you're a Heron, aren't you. Never mind.

[delemtri]

Ouch, you're a Heron, aren't you. Never mind.

Well, sure, I'm a Heron. But I'm also a big Chopin fan, and I just don't see the similarities.

[McBeth]

Since it has to do with romance and the possible connection to Harry/Hermione, couldn't this thought be voiced in The Love Thread (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=38774)? If this topic is different enough to not fit into the thread, then this most likely should be moved to the Common Room, as The Leaky Cauldron is for non-HP talk.

[Darynthe]

Well, I am not saying this in a romantic way, I was talking about their friendship. I dont' think this would be interesting at all in the love thread and I am not interested myself in discussin ROMANTIC conclusions on general psychological features. That MAY be done once the Potter series is concluded. Or not.

I would rather like to see if are other fanatics who also are George Sand or Chopin fans. I'd like to know if there is a feeling that connects the two kind of fans. And as I said there is something about Hermy that reminds me of Aurore Dudevent AKA George Sand. Maybe their incredible quantitites of energy!

[delemtri]

Well, I am not saying this in a romantic way, I was talking about their friendship. I dont' think this would be interesting at all in the love thread and I am not interested myself in discussin ROMANTIC conclusions on general psychological features. That MAY be done once the Potter series is concluded. Or not.

I would rather like to see if are other fanatics who also are George Sand or Chopin fans. I'd like to know if there is a feeling that connects the two kind of fans. And as I said there is something about Hermy that reminds me of Aurore Dudevent AKA George Sand. Maybe their incredible quantitites of energy!

I'm a big Chopin fan, as I said earlier. My two favorite pieces are his Ballade in F Major and his Concerto in F Minor, both of which I can play (okay, a bit sloppily and only the first movement of the latter).

[Darynthe]

That is amazing :) You're very accomplished. I do not play piano but always wanted to. Now maybe too late! How many years of study did you take to be able to do this?

What number and Opus is the Ballade? I am not very familiar with it. I am totally in love with the Waltz No 2 Opus 64. And also with the Etude Revolutionaire and the Waltz of the Minute. (Sorry not sure how all that is name in English, I have read them in French and Spanish only )

Also a question, what work do you think is the one that was called by George "raindrops"?

[delemtri]

That is amazing :) You're very accomplished. I do not play piano but always wanted to. Now maybe too late! How many years of study did you take to be able to do this?

What number and Opus is the Ballade? I am not very familiar with it. I am totally in love with the Waltz No 2 Opus 64. And also with the Etude Revolutionaire and the Waltz of the Minute. (Sorry not sure how all that is name in English, I have read them in French and Spanish only )

Also a question, what work do you think is the one that was called by George "raindrops"?

Ugh... raindrops... I think it's supposed to have been a Prelude in Db, but I'm not entirely sure. I've been playing for thirteen years now, I can hardly remember not playing. The Ballade is... Opus 37, No. 2, I believe. Beautiful piece. I like his Nocturnes a lot too, and most of his Polonaises and such are charming.

[Darynthe]

I'll check out the Ballade. Which is your favorite composer? Mine is Chopin. I like Vivaldi too and then Listz.

Yes, the raindrop is suppose to be a Prelude, but not sure which one. I am quite interested in this. If it's the 3 or the 16. There are many opinions. Well some of his Noctures are absolutely amazing. They take you to other dimension. :)

It's a great music to read by anything. I just wonder why there not great composers right now as they were by around 1830. Sigh.

[delemtri]

I'll check out the Ballade. Which is your favorite composer? Mine is Chopin. I like Vivaldi too and then Listz.

Yes, the raindrop is suppose to be a Prelude, but not sure which one. I am quite interested in this. If it's the 3 or the 16. There are many opinions. Well some of his Noctures are absolutely amazing. They take you to other dimension. :)

It's a great music to read by anything. I just wonder why there not great composers right now as they were by around 1830. Sigh.

There are still many great composers, it's just their music doesn't sound very good to traditionally-tuned ears. Whole collapse of the tonal system and all that... stuff started to sound a lot weirder. I like Chopin a lot, but I'm not a big fan of Vivaldi or Liszt. I really like Schumann, Mendelssohn, Rachmaninoff, Stravinsky, and Gershwin.

[Chrysalis]

Frankly I don't see any similarities between Sand/Chopin and Harry/Hermione.

"Raindrops" is Prelude 15 Op. 28.

I absolutely love Chopin. He is my favorite composer for the piano alongside Rachmaninov.

I've been playing for two years(have had keyboard lessons before so I'm more advanced) and now I'm onto Raindrops and Waltz #2 Op. 64. I can't really name favorite pieces since I love them all but these two are my favorites along with the Fantasy Impromptu and Nocturne #2 Op. 9.