Who will fall in love with whom? v40

[delemtri]

I disagree to an extent, Fred and George are not stupid, teasing or alienating Harry would only get Molly n their backs, besides Fred and George show loyalty to their close friends which Harry has become, see Lee Jordan. they pick on Ron as they did with their brothers, but for Harry they really haven't, ever if you think on it. Despite their love for prnaks they value loyalty too, think about what they said about disrupting the school, if they can help Harry talk to Sirius all the better and did they ever challenge hs authority in the DA, shouldn't they have as they do with others, what made Harry different. He gave them chance to fullfill their dreams. Loyalty is a poweerful thing ;) .
CD

This isn't even the point. The point is that there's no reason to think that Harry would have been any harsher with the twins than Ron. After all, Harry was the one who was banned from Quidditch and who broke into Umbridge's office multiple times.

[jordmundt6]

Hermione has historically gone to books but she knows how to apply them now. In the DoM she went with her gut and fought very well (in fact of the DA members there, only Harry fought better). And Ron gave HORRIBLE advice--he managed to inflame the situation. In giving advice at school (should Harry contact Sirius about his scar? should Harry practice Occlumency? Should Harry break into Umbridge's office? etc) Hermione always goes with her gut and Hermione is right over 90% of the time. These days Ron has devolved into the purveyor of Wild Theories (Regulus showed Sirius how to retrieve the weapon? The Ministry set Sturgis Podmore up, Snape purposely did Occlumency lessons incorrectly to serve Voldemort) Of these, only Snape's loyalty is an open question. In all the other cases I mentioned Ron's being wrong is comfort in consistency. On the questions I raised concerning Hermione's instincts, Ron is almost invariably on the other side and..wait for it, WRONG! Which would make it a great surprise if Snape turned out to be a traitor in Book 7, but I'd kinda like to see him go down as one of the fiercest, most powerful, most loyal, most misunderstood Order members, even if I despise his teaching methods and his personality (and I used to despise him without reservation, not any more as Severely Snapped can attest).

[Toltec_7]

You didn't snipe (it sounded like you did from the way you described it in your first post) but you're not justified either (see Angua's last post).

As for my attitude - you *did* begin attacking Leprechaun and I *did* feel my characterization was a fair evaluation of your first description of what you did.
Ok if you don't think I was justified, thats fine it was, after all, my opinon and yes Angua's last post was a good one (as always) but I could produce something simlar to support what I said and we all jump back on the roundabout, this issue has no benifits to this thread really so I will not continue to argue it.

As for me "begining to attack Leprechaun" I did no such thing, he/she attacked what I was saying, I have no problem with this as this is what this thread is for, I will however defend the statements I make, which is something, I think, I am quite within my rights to do.

[Hagrid_Is_A_Oaf]

This isn't even the point. The point is that there's no reason to think that Harry would have been any harsher with the twins than Ron. After all, Harry was the one who was banned from Quidditch and who broke into Umbridge's office multiple times.

I think the twins respect Harry a lot. Meaning, that if he wanted to, he could make them stop testing their products on students. But I don't think he would. Even though he's not a prefect he still could have defended Hermione when she was telling them off.

[delemtri]

No offence taken, at all. I was mearly making an observation, it was never really a debate topic. It is Leprechaun that is making a big deal out of this, because I said "alot" instead of "some". The point I was making was not really relevant to current shipping, I was just pointing out what I have observed and it was never really a topic for discussion, however like most things here people feel the need to pick on small things, like me saying "alot" instead of "some", but hey whatever floats your boat.

This is close to an ad hominem attack on Leprechaun; you're not defending what you're saying, you're attacking the person who attacked what you said.

You couldn't produce anything similar to support it your previous statements; if you want to try, that's fine, but you made absolute statements which Angua's post disproves beyond a shadow of a doubt.

[Hagrid_Is_A_Oaf]

This is close to an ad hominem attack on Leprechaun; you're not defending what you're saying, you're attacking the person who attacked what you said.

You couldn't produce anything similar to support it your previous statements; if you want to try, that's fine, but you made absolute statements which Angua's post disproves beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Get over it. Who cares? What's the point of arguing over how rude you think people are being. It's nice to see arguements other than Heron vs. Harmonian but this is really really pointless.

[jordmundt6]

Whoa, whoa WHOA! You don't think Molly would a conniption if she knew all the junk Fred and George put Ron (and Percy before him) through at school? Particularly with Percy, he was her favorite. They know pretty much how to handle their mother. But why would Harry be more hesitant to control the Twins as a Prefect than he is now. Also, the Twins are intensely loyal to family, that's how they got banned from Quidditch, defending the family honor against a stupid prat. I know Harry wouldn't leave Hermione to deal with the Twins by herself if he had the badge and I think he proved with the way he handled the DA and their startup costs that he could be both subtle and effective (he wouldn't have to go "below the belt" to get them under control).

Hagrid is a Oaf--Good points. But as I stated above our opinions differ here. I think as a Prefect he would have supported Hermione by trying to make them stop (and succeeding). It's also noteworthy that I think the Twins respect Hermione too (possibly not as much as Harry) but respect alone usually isn't enough to keep them under control.

[The Leprechaun]

Harry knows how to appeal to their self-interest and exert authority quietly--who knew? Wonder where he got that from--Lily perhaps?

I'd say Voldemort more than Lily.

[delemtri]

Hagrid is a Oaf--Good points. But as I stated above our opinions differ here. I think as a Prefect he would have supported Hermione by trying to make them stop (and succeeding). It's also noteworthy that I think the Twins respect Hermione too (possibly not as much as Harry) but respect alone usually isn't enough to keep them under control.

*Why?* You have no canon to support this and we've presented arguments against it.

I'd say Voldemort more than Lily.

Nicely said.

Get over it. Who cares? What's the point of arguing over how rude you think people are being. It's nice to see arguements other than Heron vs. Harmonian but this is really really pointless.

*shrug* He started it. ;)

[Hagrid_Is_A_Oaf]

Hagrid is a Oaf--Good points. But as I stated above our opinions differ here. I think as a Prefect he would have supported Hermione by trying to make them stop (and succeeding). It's also noteworthy that I think the Twins respect Hermione too (possibly not as much as Harry) but respect alone usually isn't enough to keep them under control.

Hmmmmm.......

Good point. If Harry was a prefect he might've helped Hermione. But I think he would only do it if Hermione pressured him into it. I doubt he would scold Fred and George if Hermione didn't tell him to.

[Rowena Ravenclaw]

She's as loyal as Ron and even more caring.

Sorry, I don't buy the second half of that statement. She's more vocal in her help, perhaps, but I don't see Ron as less caring when he tries to stand back from Harry's temper. He's just trying to help in the way he thinks best.

I want to root for him, I want to sympathize but he doesn't appreciate what he has or realize that it's almost everything his heart desires--and he's STILL not satisfied with it.

What Ron's heart desired at 11 is not necessarily what he desires at 15 or 16. His uneasiness with prefecthood may be part of some larger realization that he doesn't really want to be in charge or need to be in order to stand out from his brothers. We can't say for sure until he's done maturing.

Besides, I'm not sure Hermione fully appreciates what she has. For someone apparently blessed with loving parents, she spends an awful lot of time avoiding them in OoP. I'm not blaming her for it - neither she nor Ron is really capable of comprehending what Harry's been through and what he's lost yet, and if I had my way, they never would - but I don't think she deserves the pedestal you're putting her on, either.

[delemtri]

Sorry, I don't buy the second half of that statement. She's more vocal in her help, perhaps, but I don't see Ron as less caring when he tries to stand back from Harry's temper. He's just trying to help in the way he thinks best.

What Ron's heart desired at 11 is not necessarily what he desires at 15 or 16. His uneasiness with prefecthood may be part of some larger realization that he doesn't really want to be in charge or need to be in order to stand out from his brothers. We can't say for sure until he's done maturing.

Besides, I'm not sure Hermione fully appreciates what she has. For someone apparently blessed with loving parents, she spends an awful lot of time avoiding them in OoP. I'm not blaming her for it - neither she nor Ron is really capable of comprehending what Harry's been through and what he's lost yet, and if I had my way, they never would - but I don't think she deserves the pedestal you're putting her on, either.

Good post. I think Ron avoiding Harry's temper (and keeping Hermione away from it at times) proves that he has perhaps a slightly better understanding of Harry as a person.

[The Leprechaun]

About the attack I recieved, I'll say whatever. But it is probably a good idea to say "some" over "a lot", unless it is more or less fact that it is "a lot".

Delemtri, thank you for the support, but tone it down a little.

[Angua9]

Ok if you don't think I was justified, thats fine it was, after all, my opinon and yes Angua's last post was a good one (as always) but I could produce something simlar to support what I said and we all jump back on the roundabout, this issue has no benifits to this thread really so I will not continue to argue it.
I hope you don't think I'm arguing this; I'm just fascinated with the exciting new world of pre-GoF opinions I've discovered (thanks to you). HarryPotterAnonymous (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/harrypotteranonymous/) started in Nov. 1999, and (like HP4GU) there seems to be a general agreement that R/Hr is likely. However, not everyone thought that. This post made me giggle:


In my opinion and with MY experiences you don't get a girl by making fun of
them or arguing. I have over seen that happen and the two just gets mad at
one and other.

IT quite possibly could result in Ron and Hermione having a relationship but
on the other hand, how do you know that they will? It's sort of an opinion.
Do you think that they will or not? No one knows for sure but we'll all just
have to read the 4th book and find out.

:D The arguments haven't changed at all in five years! And we always think the next book will end the debate. What are the odds?

[delemtri]

About the attack I recieved, I'll say whatever. But it is probably a good idea to say "some" over "a lot", unless it is more or less fact that it is "a lot".

Delemtri, thank you for the support, but tone it down a little.

;) I make things worse before I make them better.

[Hagrid_Is_A_Oaf]

Good post. I think Ron avoiding Harry's temper (and keeping Hermione away from it at times) proves that he has perhaps a slightly better understanding of Harry as a person.


Good point delemtri,

Ron didn't voice his opinion to often, and, in a way, that really helped Harry. Hermione shoved her opinions down Harry's throat and was constantly nagging. This did not help Harry's temper. The most obvious moment is when Hermione is trying to convince Harry not to sneak into Umbridge's office to talk to Sirius. This really annoys Harry. Hermione then asks for Ron's opinion on the matter, in a menacing you-better-agree-with-me tone. Ron then simply tells her that it's Harry's choice and if he wants to do it, than she needs to stop nagging him about it.

[The Leprechaun]

Just a curiousity, but jordmundt6, what ship(s) to you ship?

[jordmundt6]

Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.

Alright

Hagrid--No, he probably wouldn't "scold" the Twins but if the rest of OotP is anything to go by, he wouldn't have to. He might have even thought up their dodge for them (we can ingest them ourselves and we won't break any rules).

Lerechaun--You think that his handling of the Twins is that sinister? I might go with Snape sooner than I'd go with Voldemort for the model on this.

Rowena--Good post, but--well, wei'll have to agree to disagree. When Ron backs away from Harry's temper, he doesn't let him flame out and then try to explain things to him, he tries to avoid the subject entirely, even if it needs addressing. In extreme cases (Sirius' "capture") he thinks up really wild explanations for why Harry might be right which is truly unhelpful. As for keeping Hermione away when Harry is in pain--Um, don't we have a case in point that shows that's not necessarily best? When Harry went through an absolute gristmill getting Cedrid's body back to Hogwarts and reporting Voldemort's return, Dumbledore himself said that telling the story, getting it over with, and understanding why (or even that there wasn't a why) would be better than deferring opening up because it would just increase the pain when he finally relived the ordeal. The most therepeutic thing he did all year was give that interview and Hermione was there at the table for the entire thing. She also serves as his confidante and counselor during the OotP and it helps him quite a bit. Might the ordeal of seeing Sirius murdered not fall into this same category?

Angua--You're right. The odds are about a billion to 1 that the debate will end with Book 6. I just hope that it ends with Book 7. I'd hate to think we'd spend days, weeks, months, years, decades--whatever debating this after the completion of the series.

HIAO--Hermione doesn't just nag and in fact she's the one who calms Harry down at key moments (her loyalty in checking on Sirius, her decision to just talk to him at Grimmuald Place when he was shutting everyone out, her acknowledgement of the seriousness of the situation when she proposed the concept of the DA). Ron's policy seems to be "avoid confrontation at all costs" to the point where he "looks alarmed to be asked his opinion" at one point when they're debating breaking into Umbridge's office the first time.


Ah Leprechaun--the all-important question around here. I'm a Harmonian. I'm forceful, but (I hope) fair about it.

I also ship Neville/Ginny and Ron/Luna but I concentrate most of my efforts on being a Harmonian. That said, if Ron matures along Arthur's path in the next two books, I'll have very little negative to say about an R/Hr pairing. As things stand now--however, well, look at some of my recent posts. And honestly, I just can't see Harry with anyone else, not Ginny, not Luna, not Cho (even before OotP, not Cho). Hope that answers your question.

[The Leprechaun]

Lerechaun--You think that his handling of the Twins is that sinister? I might go with Snape sooner than I'd go with Voldemort for the model on this.

Ah Leprechaun--the all-important question around here. I'm a Harmonian. I'm forceful, but (I hope) fair about it.

I also ship Neville/Ginny and Ron/Luna but I concentrate most of my efforts on being a Harmonian. That said, if Ron matures along Arthur's path in the next two books, I'll have very little negative to say about an R/Hr pairing. As things stand now--however, well, look at some of my recent posts. And honestly, I just can't see Harry with anyone else, not Ginny, not Luna, not Cho (even before OotP, not Cho). Hope that answers your question.

I thought you were implying that he used some sinister means to get to the Twins.

So far, I'd say you are decently fair, though I disagree with the ship you support. Thank you for that info., I thought that was your ship, but I wasn't sure. I agree with a lot of the points you brought up, but not all.

[Corbin Dallas]

I have always thought that Molly herself will counsel/comfort Harry on the matter of Sirius' death, Jo having revealed that Gideon and Fabian are indeed her brothers only has reinforced this idea of mine. The only time Harry has truly come close to tears was in the arms of Molly in the Hospital Wing at the end of Goblet, thank Hermione as to why that didn't happen-no grudge but let's face it, it would hve helped him greatly then too. Molly has made it clear that she sees Harry as her son, Harry has been grateful, though not so much for the Mollycoddling :D , yet he made speciffic remarks about Molly holding him in Goblet that has led me to believe we will see Molly be the one who's there for Harry, as only a mother can do, oh and on a side, is it coincidence that Hermione get's the comparrison to Molly on more than one occasion?
CD

[HGRules]

Rowena--Good post, but--well, wei'll have to agree to disagree. When Ron backs away from Harry's temper, he doesn't let him flame out and then try to explain things to him, he tries to avoid the subject entirely, even if it needs addressing. In extreme cases (Sirius' "capture") he thinks up really wild explanations for why Harry might be right which is truly unhelpful. As for keeping Hermione away when Harry is in pain--Um, don't we have a case in point that shows that's not necessarily best? When Harry went through an absolute gristmill getting Cedrid's body back to Hogwarts and reporting Voldemort's return, Dumbledore himself said that telling the story, getting it over with, and understanding why (or even that there wasn't a why) would be better than deferring opening up because it would just increase the pain when he finally relived the ordeal. The most therepeutic thing he did all year was give that interview and Hermione was there at the table for the entire thing. She also serves as his confidante and counselor during the OotP and it helps him quite a bit. Might the ordeal of seeing Sirius murdered not fall into this same category?


HIAO--Hermione doesn't just nag and in fact she's the one who calms Harry down at key moments (her loyalty in checking on Sirius, her decision to just talk to him at Grimmuald Place when he was shutting everyone out, her acknowledgement of the seriousness of the situation when she proposed the concept of the DA). Ron's policy seems to be "avoid confrontation at all costs" to the point where he "looks alarmed to be asked his opinion" at one point when they're debating breaking into Umbridge's office the first time.



:tu: :tu: Great post. I wanted to add the fact her saying "Voldmort" at last did comfort Harry immensely. I don't think Ron's whole avoiding policy is purely due to his better understanding harry, let alone healthy. I love Ron, but during GoF and OotP don't you think he often seemed to have no idea what was going on while Hermione and Harry understand some serious situations and communicate their thoughts to each other?
I know Hermione's not perfect right and left although she's undoubtedly my favourite. But people often seem to refuse to give her enough credit for what she's done. And I think it usually happens in order to favour Ron. I love Ron the way he is. I don't want to misjudge what Hermione's done in order to embellish Ron's fault. I thought it was quite apparent his judgement often failed during GoF&OotP. I'm surprised there's people who think all Hermione was doing was nagging Harry and Ron's doing was the right thing.

[JordanL]

I have always thought that Molly herself will counsel/comfort Harry on the matter of Sirius' death

Molly is doing what she thinks is best to help Harry, but if she hasn't changed since OotP, then "helping" Harry could quite possibly be the worst thing for him because of her personality, Harry's psychological archetype, and the nature of the loss.

It would be much more healthy, and helpful, for Harry to turn to Ron, Hermione, Dumbledore and Lupin, though I somehow doubt he'll be keen on turning to Dumbledore.

I love Ron, but during GoF and OotP don't you think he often seemed to have no idea what was going on while Hermione and Harry understand some serious situations and communicate their thoughts to each other?

This is something many Harmonians argue with, and probably because its very true. Ron is doing his best, the problem is that he's completely inept.

[Into the Fire]

I hope you don't think I'm arguing this; I'm just fascinated with the exciting new world of pre-GoF opinions I've discovered (thanks to you). HarryPotterAnonymous (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/harrypotteranonymous/) started in Nov. 1999, and (like HP4GU) there seems to be a general agreement that R/Hr is likely. However, not everyone thought that. This post made me giggle:


In my opinion and with MY experiences you don't get a girl by making fun of
them or arguing. I have over seen that happen and the two just gets mad at
one and other.

IT quite possibly could result in Ron and Hermione having a relationship but
on the other hand, how do you know that they will? It's sort of an opinion.
Do you think that they will or not? No one knows for sure but we'll all just
have to read the 4th book and find out.

:D The arguments haven't changed at all in five years! And we always think the next book will end the debate. What are the odds?

I'm not surprised. I don't think the fundamental arguments have changed. Perhaps evolved slightly but we always get back to the same things. Thanks for posting that link btw, I'm very interested in the history of shipping and shipping wars in this fandom.

There's an interesting pattern that seems to have been established. For instance someone will always eventually post something to the effect of "You know what I bet none of them end up with ANYONE wouldn't that be funny/horrible/ironic?" and someone will reply "Nah that's just the DT getting to you, there's too much foreshadowing and what about the JKR quote. She practically said 'X' character would at least end up with *someone*. " Then someone will say "I guess we'll have to wait for the next book".

And the next book comes out and people are still debating. :rotfl:

Of course I'm 99% sure about my ship (1% is for if either of them die). Ship debate is a fun way to be updated about the shipping world (and HP in general), improve your essay writing skills , and test your own conclusions. I think it's always good to test your own conclusions against another's and to keep an open mind.

On another note, I'm banking on book seven breaking the chain of ship ambiguity.

Or perhaps the chain of ship debates will never break. *hums that old Fleetwood Mac song*

To keep this OT: When the Neville question is answered (it's leading by far and I don't think that will change), I think we should watch for what she says about the *other* choices. So far she has always commented on whether she's glad a question was picked or not.

From the first FAQ poll answer:
What else can I say? Many of the theories you presented were highly plausible. If you knew how often I've checked the FAQ poll hoping that one of the other questions might edge into the lead...

Well, that's that. The car with false license plates is at the door and I've got to glue on my goatee. Goodbye.

(I included that last part because...well... :rotfl: Don't you just love JKR?")

From the second Second Answer:
Well, it is a relief to move on after the Mark Evans fiasco. This time, two out of the three poll questions had interesting answers (or so I think) and thank goodness you chose one of them.

So she has briefly mentioned the other two poll choices in both her answers. Which means we can exspect some sort of aside from JKR. Probably something we already know like "Thank God you voted for this, the shipper questions were getting repetitive." Either way they'll most likely be some kind of 'aside' about the other two choices.

[Corbin Dallas]

Okay now JordanL, for a moment step outside all of that, what better way for Harry to really to grieve than to have a "mother" ,especially one he considers as a surrogate, to comfort him. Isn't that his greatest desire, family, and a comfort of a mother will be needed. Look on Jo's site in her biolography, she referenced the loss of her mother and how it changed not only Jo's life but Harry's as well.
And as a side, haven't we already been given the proofs of just how powerful a mother's love an be? Why would a Mother who is basically writing the story the way she wants it to go stray from that? Not everything is pyschology, archetypes and personalities, sometimes things just are, get me ;)
CD

[Insanity]

Hi everyone, it's my first time in this thread and I haven't read through it all so forgive me if I post something that has already been said.

Anyway, I was reading 'The Eye of the Snake' in OotP again, that's where most of the 'love' is hidden. Well I noticed that Hermione is really jealous of Harry and Cho, I mean, sort of as if she likes Harry, but on the other hand Ron has a thing for Hermione, this is shown when he always gets jealous when she talks about Victor.

So I think Hermione might fall in love with Harry, while Ron falls in love with her, and Harry is probably unaware of the situation or he never thought of Hermione that way.

Well yeah, thanks. :)

[xray]

Would you like for JKR to say downright clear if you ship wouldn't happen? If so why? Yes so we can move away from the split factions, stop arguing and start discussing like human beings.
How do you think Jo will write your ship to make it interesting to the readers and to keep them guessing up until the end?I've thought up lots of ways but my favorite revolves around Harry talking to Ginny about Riddle then sharing the prophecy with her.
Do you think that Harry will be more suave/debonair with his next girlfriend, or will he be the same clueless, hesitant bumbler we loved in OotP?I hope he stays the same clueless hesitant bumbler. Suave/debonair is for the movies; we're all hesitant bumblers in a way (it's one of the things that makes romance so cute) :)

xray

[levi_OH_sa]

I have always thought that Molly herself will counsel/comfort Harry on the matter of Sirius' death, Jo having revealed that Gideon and Fabian are indeed her brothers only has reinforced this idea of mine. The only time Harry has truly come close to tears was in the arms of Molly in the Hospital Wing at the end of Goblet, thank Hermione as to why that didn't happen-no grudge but let's face it, it would hve helped him greatly then too. Molly has made it clear that she sees Harry as her son, Harry has been grateful, though not so much for the Mollycoddling :D , yet he made speciffic remarks about Molly holding him in Goblet that has led me to believe we will see Molly be the one who's there for Harry, as only a mother can do, oh and on a side, is it coincidence that Hermione get's the comparrison to Molly on more than one occasion?
CD

Molly<=>Hermione - coincidence, right, I don't think so... With JK - there doesn't seem to be much that is a coincidence. Oh, except for the Mark Evans thing - I guess nobody is perfect.;)

Here is the quote from the section you mentioned:
"It wasn't your fault. Harry," Mrs. Weasley whispered.
"I told him to take the cup with me," said Harry.
Now the burning feeling was in his throat too. He wished Ron would look away.
Mrs. Weasley set the potion down on the bedside cabinet, bent down, and put her arms around Harry. He had no memory of ever being hugged like this, as though by a mother. The full weight of everything he had seen that night seemed to fall in upon him as Mrs. Weasley held him to her.
(GoF Ch. 36)

So she has briefly mentioned the other two poll choices in both her answers. Which means we can expect some sort of aside from JKR. Probably something we already know like "Thank God you voted for this, the shipper questions were getting repetitive." Either way they'll most likely be some kind of 'aside' about the other two choices. Yes, she'll probably say something like, "I've already given you the answer to the shipper question, just read between the lines, and the actual text too, and then you'll have 2 of the 3 questions answered!":lol:

[xray]

Do you think that Hermione has a crush on Krum in GoF, or is she just flattered by his attention? If you answer “yes,” to the crush, when do you think it ended?Crush? Absolutely not. Flattered? Most definately. He was the first boy she ever went on a date with; how can she not be flattered?


No = No, and that should be apparent. There is no reason to repeat it (has she repeated no to Draco Hermione? No, but everyone accepts that NO as no) its not her fault that some people just wont accept it. And why wont she put it on her site? Because when she said it, she didnt think shipping was so huge. Now, she knows it is, and doenst want to ruin the debates- YET she says we ougfht to know by now and heve enough clues/ The only times she mentions H/Hr is when she says NO to them dating and says that they are PLATONIC friends, or when she makes a really ugly face
And once again: How many people have actually seen the platonic quote? We know about it because we have weeded our way though all of J.K's quotes from 1998-2004 but how many normal (not ship obessed people) have seen this quote from 1999? I will bet that its not many, hell you even see new people coming in all the time saying "did J.K really say that?". The point is you are claiming that J.K debunked Harmony in 1999 (thats five years ago) but has never done so again, how then is the general public meant to know this?
I've never *seen* it; I don't know of any video of it that exists. However, I've *heard* it. If you click on the link in my sig you can listen to the whole 27 minutes of it. Give it a go, you will get a very good idea of what she meant when she said it. No. [laughter][pause] They're -- they are very platonic friends. She stresses "platonic" then she stresses "friends." Listen to it if you dare.

xray

[GilyAnn]

Well, yes because I'm nousy. However I doubt she will ever say it plainly.


:rotfl: :rotfl:

Sienna I haven't forgotten you I just can't find the &#%$ file! :td:

I have a topic. Now that JKR has debunked N/L and not N/G which is IMO more likely, are H/G supporters a little worried? How do H/G supporters explain Harry's lack of reaction/response to Ginny becoming unconscious in the DOM? JKR purposefully writes Neville becoming upset and risking his life by shouting and attempting to use Hermione's wand against them. What does harry with the "saving people thing" do....nothing. Harry must really care for Ginny. First he talks about asking Cho to the dance in front of her, forgets she was possessed by Voldemort, ignores her for all five books, and then she is unconscious and he could not care less. It must be the true love JKR was speaking of on her website.

Well I'm sorry but to me she also did a little bit of kicking to the N/G ship too with that answer. If Neville can't handle Luna's wilder flights I have some serious doubts that he can handle Ginny's 'forcefull personality' On the DoM question, you do realize that what hit Ginny was a stunner right? Something that they had practice on the DA already? Also:


"Get Potter!" shrieked Bellatrix, and she ran at him. He dodged her and sprinted back up the room. He was safe as long as they thought they might hit the prophecy—

<snip>

"Honest, Harry, they're brains — look — Accio brain!"

The scene seemed momentarily frozen. Harry, Ginny and Neville and each of
the Death Eaters turned in spite of themselves to watch


"Harry, it'll suffocate him!" screamed Ginny, immobilized by her broken ankle
on the floor — then a jet of red light flew from one of the Death Eater's wands and hit her squarely in the face. She keeled over sideways and lay there unconscious.

"STUBEFY!" shouted Neville, wheeling around and waving Hermione's wand at
the oncoming Death Eaters, "STUBEFY, STUBEFY!" But nothing happened. One of the Death Eaters shot their own Stunning Spell at Neville; it missed him by inches. Harry and Neville were now the only two left fighting the five Death Eaters, two of whom sent off streams of silver light like arrows which missed butleft craters

I know that H/Hr are N/G shippers but this is like too far, don't you think? We are on a BATTLE here Neville is not upset because of Ginny, if he would have been you think jkr would have bother to show a better angle at this. Neville is trying to protect them all because he cares that's why he doesn't leave without Harry and he carries Hermione and tries to help Ron. He is bound loyal friend and I really dislike that Neville's awesome perfomance and loyalty is being diminished for shipping purposes. Furthermore why aren't you worried that Harry made no advances of carrying Hermione? Neville had to do so and Harry's original intention was that he got out with Hermione. If he was so worried why didn't he carried her himself?

Oh and about Harry talking of asking others girls right in front of Ginny's nose. Well JKR already answer this one for me, It's one of his faults and I fully expect JKR to correct that later. :p

There are so many names for the ships. I was just going to commiserate with GillyAnn about voting for the number of chapters on the FAQ. I understand her enthusiasm, but at the same time I don't want to find out that this thing is just PoA length.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: You know I sprayed cofee all over the monitor laughing at this! :rotfl: :rotfl: Actually something to give you hope that it maybe a bit longer, remember that JKR started writting HBP before OotP came out. So she actually did take long, she stopped a bit on the era of sleepless night when her son was born but carried on shortly after. OotP came out what year? 2002? Maybe it's a bit longer, a girl can hope can't I?

As to my comments about the Prefect badge--I was one of the ones who was positively furious when I read that and would have demanded an explanation had one not been provided at the end of OotP.

I was sure that Harry wasn't goint to get the prefect badge pre-OotP, JKR's own response on the issue really had me against it too. Now I'm positive that he won't make into HB either and with what he has to deal with I honestly can blame him. If Dumbledore thought that he had to too much to deal with prefect what makes anyone think that it will get better as a comfrontation with Moldyvoldi comes near? Sorry but I'm positive that Ron will probably remain a prefect with a bit of more confident now that he doens't have the twins around to pick on him and Harry will be happy knowing that he doesn't have to make into HB. Sorry but JKR's responses give that for me. Oh and just for the record I don't think that Hermione was an angel being a prefect either, everyone has their faults and Ron had to deal with the constant harrassing of their brothers, something that even Hermione admits and I'm 100% behind her on that.

Whoa, whoa WHOA! You don't think Molly would a conniption if she knew all the junk Fred and George put Ron (and Percy before him) through at school?

Credit where credit is do. I agree with you on this. Molly will probably die of heart attack if she knew half of the stuff that the twins do to their brothers. or what they do in general.

Particularly with Percy, he was her favorite. They know pretty much how to handle their mother. But why would Harry be more hesitant to control the Twins as a Prefect than he is now. Also, the Twins are intensely loyal to family, that's how they got banned from Quidditch, defending the family honor against a stupid prat. I know Harry wouldn't leave Hermione to deal with the Twins by herself if he had the badge and I think he proved with the way he handled the DA and their startup costs that he could be both subtle and effective (he wouldn't have to go "below the belt" to get them under control).

You actually didn't expect it too last did you? :p I don't agree with you here. I think Harry may have had the same amount of trouble handling the twins. My memory fails me though what part of the DA are you talking about? Page # would be fine I have the book here I just can recall by memory.

Gily Ann

[Insanity]

Hmm.. nobody's taking notice of my post. But oh well, please people can you tell me what you think?

[Ilse]

I would hate to see H/Hr happening, I believe it would destroy the whole trio because Ron is so head over heels in love with Hermione. So unless that gets fixed I wouldn't like to see H/Hr get hooked up. If Rowling can keep the trio the way it is I don't mind H/Hr getting together although it would seem very boring to me ( I don't believe Rowling would fluff it up like many Harmonyshippers seem to describe H/Hr to me ) but I don't want to judge that before I actually read it :)

Now I have one question for the Harmony shippers:

Do you think there's still time? And how do you think it will go? Will R/Hr happen even though H/Hr will end up together? How do you see the trio function with H/Hr?

Please don't go "Well how do you think the trio will function with R/Hr?" (I do have an answer for that, but I'm really interested to know how Harmony shippers see this happening.

I believe that if H/Hr will happen there have to be a lot of changes, Ron's feelings would have to change quite a bit in a pretty short time, otherwise the trio can't be friends. And why oh why would JK let us think for so long in the R/Hr direction, I mean to most people that ship is the most obvious at first sight, we can all agree on that, so why would she build that all up to blow it down in such a short time? You can say she did that with H/C as well, but H/C wasn't the same at all, Harry and Cho don't have to talk again (ever) if they don't wish to, with R/Hr it's a bit harder and Ron still got Hermione stuck in his head at the end of OOTP...
AH! Even if i try I just can't see it happening, but please tell me how you think it's possible. Although I truly believe R/Hr is going to happen (at the end of HBP of in the seventh book) I've been wrong before so I don't exclude any ships anymore (besides H/C and N/L)

Ah! I wish I had HBP already so this discussion could get to an end, at least for me, I'm sure the hardcore shippers will keep on fighting even after the seventh book... :rotfl:

Edit: - btw, I've never thought of any other ships than R/Hr H/G. That's since book one and it didn't change a bit it actually grew stronger with every book.

- Insanity: It's very hard to get people to notice your posts in this topic, because it grows so fast :D I've read your post, I can see where you're coming from but though Cho was very jealous of Hermione I didn't see Hermione reacting jealous of Cho in any way.

[xray]

Just a curiousity, but jordmundt6, what ship(s) to you ship?Hey Hey HEY! Check the list next time! That's what it's for :) :p

xray

p.s. it's on the first page. It's after 6:00 am now and I plan to stay up another 3 hours; I hope they start a new thread before that :(

So I think Hermione might fall in love with Harry, while Ron falls in love with her, and Harry is probably unaware of the situation or he never thought of Hermione that way. You sound like a firebolt shipper :) Want me to add you to that ship?

xray

[v@sh]

Now I have one question for the Harmony shippers:

Do you think there's still time? And how do you think it will go? Will R/Hr happen even though H/Hr will end up together? How do you see the trio function with H/Hr?


More like a few questions don't you think :p

Do you think there's still time?
Theres always time. For every ship except the ones that JKR has already shot down i.e. actually said it Hr/D is sunk or N/L. Relationships and their dynamics can change in one paragraph or one sentence or one chapter.

How do you think it will go?
Harry and Hermione will continue the progression as the first five books have - even if some fans do not see it - they will build on their current bond and this will be more pronounce than what is has been the in five books. I think more emphasis will be given in Harry's view how important Hermione is to him and then in book seven the realisation will occur.

Will R/Hr happen even though H/Hr will end up together
Its still possible, but IMO Hermione's feelings and attention will have to change towards Ron, not Harry. All in all, many suspected that R/Hr would actually get together for a while in OOTP and that never happened and actually got further away from it and to me that trend will continue. So its possible, but IMO the probability is lower than what it was before.

How do you see the trio function with H/Hr?
The trio will function as it has as normally, except that Ron may want to distance himself a little more away from H/Hr. This is provided as below that Ron is supportive of his mates. Who knows Ron may be with someone to not even worry about H/Hr.

On the other hand, if Ron remains jealous with H/Hr, then this will most likely pose problems for the trio. In the end Ron will always be loyal though. Temparoril rift between the trio because they return back to normal.


I believe that if H/Hr will happen there have to be a lot of changes, Ron's feelings would have to change quite a bit in a pretty short time, otherwise the trio can't be friends.


There is already one misconception IMO. Ron's feelings may/may not change, either way it has to be resolved. My opinion is that for H/Hr to get together, Ron's feelings must be eventually resolved and there are a number of ways it can go - it doesn't necessarily have to follow one path which I see a lot of fans doing.

a) Ron does not change his feelings towards Hermione, he remains to like/love Hermione and may/may not feel resentful/jealous towards Harry. This may split the group up and the possiblity it will for a period of time. (This option I see many R/Hr as its predetermined course for H/Hr to happen, I don't understand why)

b) Ron changes his feelings and sees that Harry likes Hermione and vice versa. He becomes supportive of the relationship. Trio remains together.

The time all this happens may/may not be short, but even if it is, its possible to change minds very quickly.


And why oh why would JK let us think for so long in the R/Hr direction, I mean to most people that ship is the most obvious at first sight, we can all agree on that, so why would she build that all up to blow it down in such a short time? You can say she did that with H/C as well, but H/C wasn't the same at all, Harry and Cho don't have to talk again (ever) if they don't wish to, with R/Hr it's a bit harder and Ron still got Hermione stuck in his head at the end of OOTP...
AH! Even if i try I just can't see it happening, but please tell me how you think it's possible. Although I truly believe R/Hr is going to happen (at the end of HBP of in the seventh book) I've been wrong before so I don't exclude any ships anymore (besides H/C and N/L)


Why not make it obvious? It depends how you view it - everyone will acknowledge Ron's feelings towards Hermione whichever ship they are in. The wildcard is Hermione. Shifting the truth behind some other facade is definately a device to spring surprises and twists at the end of the novel/series. It always has been with Rowling. I don't see why this cannot apply to the romance subplot. If you can't see it happening, then you're going to be thoroughly disappointed if it doesn't turn out because there are many other possibilities bar the one everyone roots for.


- Insanity: It's very hard to get people to notice your posts in this topic, because it grows so fast I've read your post, I can see where you're coming from but though Cho was very jealous of Hermione I didn't see Hermione reacting jealous of Cho in any way.


Though not directed at me, Hermione on the face of it doesn't react as jealous as say Ron. Comparing Hermione to the way another person shows jealousy isn't a solid way to produce reasons why someone likes someone else. Each person has their own ways to show jealously, and Hermione does not necessarily have to shown jealousy towards Cho like Ron towards Victor. Delve deeper into the novels.

Cheers,

v@sh

[granger_girl]

Yeah, I thought they started new threads after 3000 posts.

As for the questions...

Yes, I believe there is time. I think the books have been building towards this relationship, although subtly, and i also believe that they will continue to build towards it in HBP. I think H/Hr will more likely happen in the last book.

I wouldn't be surprised it R/Hr did end up together briefly in HBP, but I don't think it would last. If this did happen, I think Ron would be a bit resentful, which would lead to a rift in the trio for a while, with it being healed at the last minute.

[shohra]

No what I am saying is that up untill GoF (y2K) nobody shipped Heron, but now that Heron is a firmly estabished ship some people are saying that they have seen Heron since the begining (book one), but as I said if your not one of these people (as my comments where directed to these people) why are you bothering to debate this?

Actually I shipped Heron since SS/PS not that it was called Heron then

[Deevo]

Is there any kind of shipping summary or FAQ that outlines the meaning of the terms and acronyms used? Some of them like Harmony and Heron are pretty obvious but there are some that are a bit more obscure at least to someone like me who is a bit new to the discussions.

I did a search on this but came up fairley blank mainly down to the large volume of material that is around on the subject so if anyone can point me in the right direction it'd be appreciated. :eyebrows:

[Insanity]

Hey Hey HEY! Check the list next time! That's what it's for :) :p

xray

p.s. it's on the first page. It's after 6:00 am now and I plan to stay up another 3 hours; I hope they start a new thread before that :(

You sound like a firebolt shipper :) Want me to add you to that ship?

xray



A... what?

:p Sorry I don't know any of this stuff around here. Is it a group?

Well if you all look at that chapter, you see that Hermione DOES act jealous of Harry. The way she's always asking him about Cho and himself, how she makes him do things for her. Really, I mean, when you're jealous of someone, you don't always do things to affect them negatively.

Like me for instance, if I'm jealous of a friend because of her boyfriend I'd be like: How're things with you guys? Oh I'm so happy for you!

Hermione's tone changes completely when they're talking Harry/Cho.

I hope someone else sees where I'm coming from here.

[GodricHollow]

Each partnership has its own ship, so for example the ship called "HMS Heron" is for people who think that Hermione and Ron will get together. And as for the whole jealously acting thing, THEY'RE TEENAGERS!! Thier actions are perfectly normal, if I'm after a girl and someone else gets her before I do I'm going to be jealous of him aren't i?

[xray]

Is there any kind of shipping summary or FAQ that outlines the meaning of the terms and acronyms used? Some of them like Harmony and Heron are pretty obvious but there are some that are a bit more obscure at least to someone like me who is a bit new to the discussions. Yes, see my first post on this thread, post #7 (http://www.cosforums.com/showpost.php?p=1580273&postcount=7). Check the bottom notes.
A... what?

:p Sorry I don't know any of this stuff around here. Is it a group?
Firebolt is a ship, HMS Firebolt. Take a look also at my first post on this thread. :)

[Insanity]

Yes, see my first post on this thread, post #7 (http://www.cosforums.com/showpost.php?p=1580273&postcount=7). Check the bottom notes.

Firebolt is a ship, HMS Firebolt. Take a look also at my first post on this thread. :)


Ooooooooh yep! Please add me. :)

[Adel]

Originally Posted by Ilse
Now I have one question for the Harmony shippers:

Do you think there's still time?
Of course! I think, if there is still enough time for H/G then there is more than enough time for H/Hr. Or as V@sh said: "Relationships and their dynamics can change in one paragraph or one sentence or one chapter." Well said! :tu:

How do you think it will go?
I don't know and I actually don't care as long as it isn't too fluffy. And as long as Harry doesn't suddenly wake up the coming summer (in HBP) and thinks "Oh my god! I'm in love with Hermione!" That would be too soon and unrealistic. Yeah, as long as Jo makes it realistic I don't care how H/Hr happens.

Will R/Hr happen even though H/Hr will end up together
I don't think so. But that's because I don't think Hermione has any romantic feelings towards Ron. And it would remind me too much of an soup opera. First she goes with Ron but then realizes that she has feelings for her other best friend? No, I don't want that. But it's not impossible.

How do you see the trio function with H/Hr?
I do not think JKR would let H/Hr destroy the trio. Ron might distance himself at first but in the end their friendship will prevail.
I think Ron's reaction especially depends on the time H/Hr happens. If H/Hr for example were to happen at the end of book 7 I think the trio function will not change while with H/Hr in book 6 it might change.

[sergorat]

I don't think that R/Hr is possible. The Weasleys are a pure- blood family and they stay a pure- blood family. James was in love with Lily (one of the best students ever and a mugblood) and Harry is similar to his father (both are very good quidditich player, have close friends - ron/black - and look equal), so I think that Harry will fall in love with Hermoine, who resembles Lily. Do we know if Luna is pureblood?

[Miss ERB]

I don't think that R/Hr is possible. The Weasleys are a pure- blood family and they stay a pure- blood family. James was in love with Lily (one of the best students ever and a mugblood) and Harry is similar to his father (both are very good quidditich player, have close friends - ron/black - and look equal), so I think that Harry will fall in love with Hermoine, who resembles Lily. Do we know if Luna is pureblood?



I think its been made clear by now though..The weasly's dont care about blood! They dont care whose half blood, muggleborn and pureblood! I dont think blood has anything to do with them getting together or not.

[drdementor]

There was a question a while back in the thread on why Jo would have sunk such a small ship as N/L and why she would have sunk it at all. The only other ship she's really sunk is the Hr/D ship. My conclusion is that she sinks ships she really doesn't like and that make people see the characters in the wrong light.

Hr/D; implies not only a future romance for Hermy and Draco, but if true would mean that Draco turns good and stops caring about blood purity. And that Hermione's romance will probably not be welcomed by her two best friends.

N/L : Jo said she sees Neville and Luna as 'two very different people.' She told us to stop shipping them because people were seeing them as very similar, or at least as becoming more similar. She wants us to really have a good grip on these two characters' personalities, as they will be important in the future.

The other ships, though they may be total opposites, do not mess up our vision of the characters' personalities; Heronians and Harmonians generally have the same perspective on Ron's, Hermione's, Harry's and Ginny's personalities, probably because Jo has given us a lot of detail on them. Though a few people may dislike Ron or Hermione or Ginny, most of the 'main shippers' are not completely misunderstanding the people's personalities. Half of them (assuming the 'sides' are evenly divided) just haven't figured out who the characters are going to fall in love with.

So, Jo will sink ships that aren't the main ships and don't stretch her characters' personalities out of bounds. If a bunch of people started suggesting that Hermione really will end up with Victor, I bet she'd sink that one too. Or if Harry and Parvati became the next hot topic.

[sergorat]

I think its been made clear by now though..The weasly's dont care about blood! They dont care whose half blood, muggleborn and pureblood! I dont think blood has anything to do with them getting together or not.

yeah, but the weasley's are still a pureblood family.

[Fury]

yeah, but the weasley's are still a pureblood family.

I would think it would be okay for a muggle born to marry some one from a pureblood family. Otherwise the wizarding world would cease to exist. There aren't many purebloods anyway, are there?

Besides, if two people fall in love with each other, it wouldn't matter would it. It is like a white person falling in love with a African-American... nothing people say to them would change their minds... they wouldn't care cause they love each other.

[sergorat]

sure, it doesn't matter wheter you are white or black, but hermoine and ron aren't a good match. ron and luna are much better and neville and ginny. ginny isn't in love with harry. hermoine cares much more about harry, than she cares about ron.

[Fury]

sure, it doesn't matter wheter you are white or black, but hermoine and ron aren't a good match. ron and luna are much better and neville and ginny. ginny isn't in love with harry. hermoine cares much more about harry, than she cares about ron.

Ah, yes, I see you sail on the good ship Harmony, so you would see what Harmonies want to see... and not what Herons (like myself) would see.

Hermione and Ron not being a good match? I see different. Harmonians think that since Hermione and Ron argue a lot, they wouldn't be a good match. Well, then why are they still friends? Because they make up every time. Believe me... after one of the fights, I believe we will see them "kiss and make up" :p

[ydnam96]

I don't think that R/Hr is possible. The Weasleys are a pure- blood family and they stay a pure- blood family. James was in love with Lily (one of the best students ever and a mugblood) and Harry is similar to his father (both are very good quidditich player, have close friends - ron/black - and look equal), so I think that Harry will fall in love with Hermoine, who resembles Lily. Do we know if Luna is pureblood?


I don't see this as a valid argument, I mean Ron himself said that if Purebloods didn't marry muggles then the wizards would have died out. I don't think that this is anything that will stand inbetween a R/HR ship.

[dark_kneazle]

I agree with Fury a relationship with fights would be void of depth. They would be nothing to build on. I'm not saying that all who fight are destined to be together but that sometimes fights can be the result of deeper feelings between people. If they were feelings of just pure hate or annoyence then they would not be friend anymore, even Harry wouldn't be able to keep them together. Also, if these fights were nothnig more then that, fights, why would JK give so much book time over to them? She has said in interveiws that she tried to make GoF as short as possible, if the fights were not needed she would have cut them or at least not put so many.

[ydnam96]

I agree with Fury a relationship with fights would be void of depth. They would be nothing to build on. I'm not saying that all who fight are destined to be together but that sometimes fights can be the result of deeper feelings between people. If they were feelings of just pure hate or annoyence then they would not be friend anymore, even Harry wouldn't be able to keep them together. Also, if these fights were nothnig more then that, fights, why would JK give so much book time over to them? She has said in interveiws that she tried to make GoF as short as possible, if the fights were not needed she would have cut them or at least not put so many.


I agree as well, I think that the "fights" (although I would call them spats or disagreements) are simply them trying to deal with the feelings they don't really know what to do with. It's easier to fight with someone than it is to recognize you have "feelings" for them if your relationship has always just been friends.

[Lexiefaye]

I don't think that R/Hr is possible. The Weasleys are a pure- blood family and they stay a pure- blood family. James was in love with Lily (one of the best students ever and a mugblood) and Harry is similar to his father (both are very good quidditich player, have close friends - ron/black - and look equal), so I think that Harry will fall in love with Hermoine, who resembles Lily. Do we know if Luna is pureblood?

I disagree with your generational analysis ... I think Ron is like James (the pureblood, the analogy of them messing with their hair under the beech tree). Harry may look like James but personality wise he's more like Sirius (the feeling toward the household he grewup in, the way he acts toward Snape/Malfoy).

[IceKat55]

No, you can't do that in psychology with a concept which has pre-requisites. In this case the pre-requisite was that an infatuation was established at ten, not a friendship.
Again, as I said, I'm not interested in dissecting this by psychological, mathematical or scientific efforts. I read the books, I pick the clues that Rowling lays, I hear her answers regarding both ships, and I see what they do in the movies. I don't ship R/Hr because I want them to be together, I ship them because I'm 99% convinced that they're going to sail, and the remaining 1% is in the event that one of them dies. Rowling might just be that cruel... :sigh:

I almost fell over laughing when I read this. You realize, of course, that Ron and Hermione are far more different from each other than Harry and Hermione.
IMO, Ron & Hermione aren't so different. They're both very passionate, and both know how to dig in their heels. You think that, if either or both of them wanted to back away from their heated confrontations, they wouldn't? They enjoy it, on a competitive, if not subconscious, level. They can egg each other on, and know how far they can push one another. They've had 2 fights...the rest of their bickering matches are simply their competitive natures pushing against one another.

But you see, it's not whether oyu do that counts, its whether he does.
Well, actually I believe it's what Ms Rowling thinks that counts, since these are all figments of her imagination. ;)

The things you have described are about immaturity but you are pretending they are about self- and percieved- worth. Harry does these things because he is immature and selfish, not because he doesn't care for Hermione. He knows that if he lets Hermione reason with him she will win, and so he has to keep the entire arguement from her in order to not let her win. It's not that Harry can't stand her strong personality, its that he hasn't recognized that he has a strong personality.
I don't believe it's a matter of Harry recognizing that their personalities clash, I believe it's a matter of the reader recognizing it.

Agree that he cares for Hermione, that's never been in dispute. She's the first guiding 'voice of reason' he's ever known in his life, she's a very strong, clever and resourceful witch who is most helpful to him, and she's a good, loyal friend to have. But does any of that mean he's going to suddenly wake up one day and become physically/romantically attracted to her? Um...nope.

Not by a long shot. Ron is almost entirely inept, and even less mature than Harry, (mostly because of what hasn't happened to him). Hermione is by far the most mature of the group, and is almost entirely aware of the things that go on around her.
Ron is maturing a bit more than you may give him credit for. He seemed able to restrain himself in the post-Cho-kiss scene, when Hermione was baiting him with the Krum letter. He didn't start an argument, even though Hermione seemed to want him to (answering his question with a question) - - he simply let it go. Sign of maturing, in my book. I believe he's still very confused as to why he feels the way he does. But as Rowling says, "Ron doesn't realize it yet. Typical boy." I predict that it'll hit him one day like a ton of bricks. :)

You said that they [Ron and Hermione] act the way they do because they have no basis for comparison. Harry has even less basis for comparison as he has never truely been loved or returned someone's love, be it parent, sibling or friend, in his life outside of Hermione and Ron, which is a very good arguement as to why he would react to someone in a 'sisterly' way but not mean so. Or even not realize what the feeling is because he has nothing to base it on.
But he has never had a sister either, and wouldn't know how to act in a 'sisterly' way, except instinctively. Which is how he reacts to Hermione. It's how he naturally responded to her.

However, he seemed to know exactly what he felt/wanted with Cho, even having no basis for comparison there, either...

You described your opinion as me constructing "dark" fallacies to "twist" the meaning of what was said to "a pro Harry-Hermione comment". Dark and twist are words you use to describe a conspiracy, not an opinion. (Which would be why I took offense.)

If you didn't mean anyhting by it then, I'm sorry for overreacting, and just no that I'm not conspiring to sink your boat.
Nope, as I said, no offense intended, and that comment was not directed specifically at you, so much as Harmony-shippers in general. I was simply stating my opinions regarding shipping & 'personal preference'. Polychrome had a really good post on that as well, a few pages back. :)

[sergorat]

I disagree with your generational analysis ... I think Ron is like James (the pureblood, the analogy of them messing with their hair under the beech tree). Harry may look like James but personality wise he's more like Sirius (the feeling toward the household he grewup in, the way he acts toward Snape/Malfoy).

That's a good refutation but I still think that Harry is more James than Sirius. Harry can be more energetic and he always wants to save bomebody. Ron is more passve in those things. Harry is the one who is hated by Snape because of his appearance and his quiddich skills. Malofoy is hated by Ron and Harry.

[MadMagic]

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