Who Will fall in love with whom? v.42

[Tzigone]

I all so think everybody has forgotten this. So here is a reminder.

Harry does not know he has a 2 book time frame to get rid of Voldemort. Dumbledore does not know it. Dumbledore probley thinks Harry has time. I dont think any of them thinks Harry will defeat Voldemort before Harry is 18 years of age.

Only we know there are 2 books to go.


What does that have to do with anything? I don't notice anybody forgetting it.

[Messed]

Avoid the subject, are you?

lol. No. I was just wondering what you would say. :)

[xray]

Do you think you could just direct me to the closed threads area? It's in History of Magic (http://www.cosforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=97) forum.

xray

[delemtri]

Again, I didn't intend to sound rude. I was just making an observation. If I did offend you, I truly am sorry. Please accept my apology.

S'cool.

[faiza]

Once or twice in five years? Hahah! "Did you do your homework?"
"Uuh yeah!" and what about Occlumency? What about the egg? What about ignoring her when she wants him to practice? What about the times he ignores her? What about the times he doesn't agree with S.P.E.W. but holds his tongue? What about the times he doesnt' talk to Hermione, but tells her to shut up or forgets about talking to her all together?

Okay, I take that back. I admit I didn't think that comment trough and I was only talking about really lying. Can you really blame Harry for avoiding confrontations? It's the way he was raised. When did he tell her to shut up? Lying about homework also applies to Ron, he lied to everyone about the egg. He made it very clear he doesn't agree with SPEW, what's the point in repeating himself? He's got Ron to do that.

[delemtri]

Nope, I'm the youngest of 7. Kinda like Ginny.

For other stories about families of seven with special powers I recommend The Dark is Rising, a sequence of five books by Susan Cooper, and Archer's Goon, an amazing book by Diane Wynne Jones.

[MPPMarauderGirl]

lol. No. I was just wondering what you would say. :)

Is your sig supposed to show that humans are dumb and can't say the right color when it has a different name?
:huh:

:rotfl: I hope you were satisfied with my answer!

[Messed]

It's in History of Magic forum.

Wow, that wasn't too obvious, was it? Thanks :p

S'cool.:)

[daz]

What does that have to do with anything? I don't notice anybody forgetting it.


If you are going to quote me then it helps if you read the other posts first. It would help. :evil:


It was a post because people are saying Harry is to busy to do anything fun in school. And my point is they dont know there are only 2 books to go.

Avoid the subject, are you?

He simply has to get to know her. He doesn't know her yet.

Who says Harry wants to get to know her better. He has never seeked her out before. Ginny all ways goes up to him..

Show me where in the books where Harry seeks out Ginny and talks to her.

[MPPMarauderGirl]

Okay, I take that back. I admit I didn't think that comment trough and I was only talking about really lying. Can you really blame Harry for avoiding confrontations? It's the way he was raised. When did he tell her to shut up? Lying about homework also applies to Ron, he lied to everyone about the egg. He made it very clear he doesn't agree with SPEW, what's the point in repeating himself? He's got Ron to do that.

Ron and Hermione are very oepn with confrotantion. Hermione pushes people beyond their boundries.

That's one of the reasons why Hermione isn't suited for Harry. She pushes him where he doesn't want to go, which is bad for him. And when he lies, that is bad for her.

[Tzigone]

If you are going to quote me then it helps if you read the other posts first. It would help. :evil:


It was a post because people are saying Harry is to busy to do anything fun in school. And my point is they dont know there are only 2 books to go.


I've read every post here for the past couple of weeks - actually, I might (not sure) have read every post on this thread starting with page one (didn't read earlier versions, though). I still don't see how Harry being too busy to have fun and his knowledge (or lack thereof) of how long until he defeats Voldemort are related. I don't think he'll be totally without fun. But the war is heating up, and the WW has aknowledged Voldemort's return, so I do expect six and seven to be more like 5 than the first four. The kids are growing up - I'm not even sure if they qualify as kids anymore, having faced what they've faced and taken on the responsiblities they have (and I'm getting OT, so I'll stop).

Anyway, nothing I've seen in any of the posts indicates to me that people have forgotten that Harry operates within the books intead of outside them and is not privy to the info we know.

[MPPMarauderGirl]

Who says Harry wants to get to know her better.

That's really harsh. I don't think I appreciate that comment very much.

He has never seeked her out before. Ginny all ways goes up to him..

She was never one of his friends. She was never considered in his group.

Show me where in the books where Harry seeks out Ginny and talks to her.

I'll give you plenty after July 16th, when Harry and Ginny fancy each other.

[daz]

That's one of the reasons why Hermione isn't suited for Harry. She pushes him where he doesn't want to go, which is bad for him. And when he lies, that is bad for her.

Hermione pushes Harry for a reason. Now Harry is very young at the moment and does not get that. He will get it in the end. And i feel the end is near. That came when Hermione was right about Sirius not being kidnapped.

Harry will think on this IMO. Its the beginning for Harry and relizing that Hermione may push him. But she has his best interests at heart.

[faiza]

For other stories about families of seven with special powers I recommend The Dark is Rising, a sequence of five books by Susan Cooper, and Archer's Goon, an amazing book by Diane Wynne Jones.


Thanks, I might read them if I can find the time. I'm not really much of a reader with (of course) the exception of Harry Potter. Cool, I might have special powers!! I've always wanted special powers so I could defend myself against my older brothers. When I was little, my goal was to become a magician. That explains my obsession with HP.
Anyway...

That's one of the reasons why Hermione isn't suited for Harry. She pushes him where he doesn't want to go

But where he has to go. Where would Harry be if it weren't for Hermione? He needs her, badly.

[Tzigone]

I really love the idea of H/G, but I can't arugue for them; don't feel I have enough hard evidence. I hope you're right MPPMarauderGirl. But I'm just not sure enough that anything definitive will happen for them in book six. I'm much more sure on R/H. Though even with them it might not happen till book 7.

[daz]

That's really harsh. I don't think I appreciate that comment very much.



She was never one of his friends. She was never considered in his group.



I'll give you plenty after July 16th, when Harry and Ginny fancy each other.

Well we are here to debate. So show me quotes where Harry seeks out Ginny.


Oh wait there aint any. Thats not my fault. Im here defending Hermiony againest Heron and Choclate. And i cant help it if your Ship is built on a very wonky boat.

[Miss ERB]

If you are going to quote me then it helps if you read the other posts first. It would help. :evil:


It was a post because people are saying Harry is to busy to do anything fun in school. And my point is they dont know there are only 2 books to go.



Who says Harry wants to get to know her better. He has never seeked her out before. Ginny all ways goes up to him..

Show me where in the books where Harry seeks out Ginny and talks to her.

Why wouldnt he not want to get to know her? What has she done to make Harry not want to get to know her?



No Harry has not seeked her out.......yet anyway. Wait and see on July 16.

[MPPMarauderGirl]

Hermione pushes Harry for a reason. Now Harry is very young at the moment and does not get that. He will get it in the end. And i feel the end is near. That came when Hermione was right about Sirius not being kidnapped.

Harry will think on this IMO. Its the beginning for Harry and relizing that Hermione may push him. But she has his best interests at heart.

True. Hermione pushes him that way, because she has the best interests at heart. Because she's his friend. She's the guidence he needs. A girlfriend does not guide her boyfriend.

Okay? This is something funny. The girlfriend is supposed to walk next to him and hold his hand. Not push him into things. That's what Hermione does. Harry needs that from his friends, not from his girlfriend.

[Miss ERB]

Well we are here to debate. So show me quotes where Harry seeks out Ginny.


Oh wait there aint any. Thats not my fault. Im here defending Hermiony againest Heron and Choclate. And i cant help it if your Ship is built on a very wonky boat.


Your ships not on the strongest boat either...imo.

[MPPMarauderGirl]

But where he has to go. Where would Harry be if it weren't for Hermione? He needs her, badly.

He needs Ron, as well. But not for romantic reasons. Harry is used to Hermione being his guidence. What will it take for him to fall in love with her? I won't stop asking until I get a good answer from someone!

[faiza]

No Harry has not seeked her out.......yet anyway. Wait and see on July 16.

I'll give you plenty after July 16th, when Harry and Ginny fancy each other.

Well that's easy to say! Luna and Ron are getting together. Evidence of Ron describing her in any other way then loony and mental? I'll give you plenty after July 16th.

[MPPMarauderGirl]

I really love the idea of H/G, but I can't arugue for them; don't feel I have enough hard evidence. I hope you're right MPPMarauderGirl. But I'm just not sure enough that anything definitive will happen for them in book six. I'm much more sure on R/H. Though even with them it might not happen till book 7.

I think he'll find his common interest mirror hers. And he'll think of her as something. Maybe they won't date (I doubt it) but feelings will have to have started.

Well we are here to debate. So show me quotes where Harry seeks out Ginny.Oh wait there aint any. Thats not my fault.

Yet.

Im here defending Hermiony againest Heron and Choclate. And i cant help it if your Ship is built on a very wonky boat.

And your ship is based off of two people that have known each other for 5 years, suddenly waking up and figuring out they love each other.

[Miss ERB]

Well that's easy to say! Luna and Ron are getting together. Evidence of Ron describing her in any other way then loony and mental? I'll give you plenty after July 16th.


Well H/G and Hr/H both do have to wait till July 16. Theres no proving it right now...

except for that fact he knows Hermione very well already and Ginny not so much. So Ginny has the better chance of winning Harry's heart..who knows what he'll think of Ginny when he gets to know her. We already know what he thinks of Hermione. And what he thinks of her is non romantic.

[faiza]

A girlfriend does not guide her boyfriend.

Why not?

The girlfriend is supposed to walk next to him and hold his hand

I'm not really a feminist or anything, but this is very offending. The "job" of the girlfriend is walk next to her boyfriend and hold his hand?! And I suppose if that boy is Harry Potter that's a bonus.

[DanielB]

Okay? This is something funny. The girlfriend is supposed to walk next to him and hold his hand. Not push him into things. That's what Hermione does. Harry needs that from his friends, not from his girlfriend.
That's an over-simplified view of a relationship. So a girlfriend is a trophy? :huh: For some reason, I don't think that's what Harry is looking for.

[daz]

Why wouldnt he not want to get to know her? What has she done to make Harry not want to get to know her?

I dont know but the fact is Ginny has been in the same house for 4 years now. And yet Harry has never gone up to Ginny and said wanna talk.



No Harry has not seeked her out.......yet anyway. Wait and see on July 16

But you cant say what will happen.

[MPPMarauderGirl]

I'm not really a feminist or anything, but this is very offending. The "job" of the girlfriend is walk next to her boyfriend and hold his hand?! And I suppose if that boy is Harry Potter that's a bonus.

I have extremely high expectations from myself when it comes to me and my boyfriend. I will not settle for some random vagrant walking around. Do not mistake me for that.

It is not a job. A girlfriend's job isn't to tell her boyfriend to do his homework. Hermione does that. Harry isn't going to want a girl to tell him what to do. Harry rebels against that, as we've seen.

Ron is the one used to people, his mom, telling him what to do, and he likes Hermione through that.

I don't think it's at all fair that Harry can magically wake up and like Hermione, when Ron has liked her from the start of these characters being attracted to each other.

[daz]

And your ship is based off of two people that have known each other for 5 years, suddenly waking up and figuring out they love each other.

I believe Hermione is all ready there. And i have shown quotes as well. And Harry will get there.

[Miss ERB]

I dont know but the fact is Ginny has been in the same house for 4 years now. And yet Harry has never gone up to Ginny and said wanna talk.





But you cant say what will happen.


I'm saying it will. I guess I'm just confident that it will... :p

[MPPMarauderGirl]

That's an over-simplified view of a relationship. So a girlfriend is a trophy? :huh: For some reason, I don't think that's what Harry is looking for.

Seeing as I'm someone's girlfriend, do you think that's what I mean? :huh:

For some reason I think Harry's looking for someone who he can have fun with, and as we've seen, unless Ron is there, it's not Hermione.

I believe Hermione is all ready there. And i have shown quotes as well. And Harry will get there.

Quotes for me to analyze would be good.

What will it take for Harry?

[DanielB]

It is not a job. A girlfriend's job isn't to tell her boyfriend to do his homework. Hermione does that. Harry isn't going to want a girl to tell him what to do. Harry rebels against that, as we've seen.

That's from the perception that homework is bad. A girlfriend/partner should, hopefully, make you a better person. That's why they're commonly called someone's "better half." Harry lacks in the work-ethic department and could use someone to keep him on track.

It may not be their "job", but if my girlfriend wasn't doing her homework, I'd sure try to get her to do it.

[daz]

And Hermione does that to Ron as well. She even does there homework. Works both ways here.

[MPPMarauderGirl]

That's from the perception that homework is bad. A girlfriend/partner should, hopefully, make you a better person. That's why they're commonly called someone's "better half." Harry lacks in the work-ethic department and could use someone to keep him on track.

It may not be their "job", but if my girlfriend wasn't doing her homework, I'd sure try to get her to do it.

Yes, but does your girlfriend have a mass murderer after her? Does she have the prophecy looming over her head with every breath she takes? Does she have have fear for all those who she loves?

Hermione does do that. But she doesn't need to be his girlfriend to continue doing that. Whether or not it's good for Harry, it's not what he values. He wants to play Quidditch, laugh and be carefree. He doesn't get that with Hermione.

[daz]

I'm saying it will. I guess I'm just confident that it will... :p


OK thats good. :tu:

What will it take for Harry?

Time and patience. :p

[faiza]

Whether or not it's good for Harry, it's not what he values.
He wants to play Quidditch, laugh and be carefree. He doesn't get that with Hermione.

But the thing is, he isn't carefree. And when I said that Harry doesn't fully appreciate Hermione, this is part of what I meant. Now that Harry's heard the prophecy, he'll get his priorities straight.

Oh and here in Belgium, it's officially newyear. Happy Newyear everyone!!!

[DanielB]

Yes, but does your girlfriend have a mass murderer after her? Does she have the prophecy looming over her head with every breath she takes? Does she have have fear for all those who she loves?

Hermione does do that. But she doesn't need to be his girlfriend to continue doing that. Whether or not it's good for Harry, it's not what he values. He wants to play Quidditch, laugh and be carefree. He doesn't get that with Hermione.
You make it sound like those are exclusive. That if Harry goes out with Hermione that he all of a sudden won't be able to play Quidditch, laugh, and be carefree. They won't start living together and ditch all of their friends.

[MPPMarauderGirl]

Time and patience. :p

He's had time. And how does that say how he'll fall in love with her?

[clkginny]

Yes, but does your girlfriend have a mass murderer after her? Does she have the prophecy looming over her head with every breath she takes? Does she have have fear for all those who she loves?

Hermione does do that. But she doesn't need to be his girlfriend to continue doing that. Whether or not it's good for Harry, it's not what he values. He wants to play Quidditch, laugh and be carefree. He doesn't get that with Hermione.
This is way too addicting. I have other things I should be doing and I'm back already. lol

I think I may have just been convinced to support a ship. I can't think of any time that Harry or Hermione have shown any enjoyment of the things the other likes to do. Ever. The closest I can think of is that Hermione watches quidditch. Does anybody remember anything to the contrary?

[MPPMarauderGirl]

But the thing is, he isn't carefree. And when I said that Harry doesn't fully appreciate Hermione, this is part of what I meant. Now that Harry's heard the prophecy, he'll get his priorities straight.

Oh and here in Belgium, it's officially newyear. Happy Newyear everyone!!!

He's still a kid. He isn't carefree but we need someone to help him feel better and to have fun. He doesn't need to be obsessive over the prophecy. Then, he won't be the same Harry anymore.

You make it sound like those are exclusive. That if Harry goes out with Hermione that he all of a sudden won't be able to play Quidditch, laugh, and be carefree. They won't start living together and ditch all of their friends.

No, I'm saying that's a reason why he won't fall in love with her. Because she doesn't like the things he likes. They wouldn't spend much time together laughing and having fun.

It's like those guys that love to go to football games, and their girlfriends hate football. The girl doesn't want to participate in the thing that makes her guy the happiest.

[faiza]

Does anybody remember anything to the contrary?

What about the DA? It's a creation of Hermione, lead by Harry and they both enjoy it.

He's still a kid. He isn't carefree but we need someone to help him feel better and to have fun. He doesn't need to be obsessive over the prophecy. Then, he won't be the same Harry anymore

He'll be 16, you can hardly call him a kid anymore. He can share laughs with Ron and snogs with Hermione.

[OpheliaSometime]

What about the DA? It's a creation of Hermione, lead by Harry and they both enjoy it.
Named by Ginny. ;) Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Moving on...

[Silverdawn2006]

I think it's pretty obvious with the whole Ron/Hermione thing so I'm going to go over to something else. I think that something, even if small, will happen between Harry and Luna or possibly Harry and Ginny. I really have nothing to back that up, I just think it might happen.

[MPPMarauderGirl]

This is way too addicting. I have other things I should be doing and I'm back already. lol

I think I may have just been convinced to support a ship. I can't think of any time that Harry or Hermione have shown any enjoyment of the things the other likes to do. Ever. The closest I can think of is that Hermione watches quidditch. Does anybody remember anything to the contrary?

No. I don't get it when people say Hermione's best for Harry. She may be, as the mother hen - but when it comes to the things boyfriend's value most - mutual things, common things, fun things - Hermione doesn't measure up to Harry's idea of fun. And we saw this in GoF when Harry was separated from Ron.

[SoObvious]

Hi everyone...Happy New Years Eve. I don't post here often...just lurk here and there. You guys are kind of...intimidating. But I saw something that I just had to respond to. Sorry, this was many pages back.

hemione cant be with ron cuz shes way better than him! if they're together, it wont be good for his self-esteem cuz she'll be earning more than him!!!!

It's YOUR opinion that Hermione is "way better" than Ron. I think that they are equal. They both have their strengths, as well as their weaknesses. There are many families out there where the female makes more money than the male. That's nothing to be ashamed of. Look at Arthur Weasley; he makes not much money, but he loves his job and has a loving family, those are the things that matter.

That's all I have to say for now. Thanks for listening.

[faiza]

It's like those guys that love to go to football games, and their girlfriends hate football. The girl doesn't want to participate in the thing that makes her guy the happiest.

When it comes to Quidditch, Hermione has always supported Harry.

[clkginny]

What about the DA? It's a creation of Hermione, lead by Harry and they both enjoy it.



He'll be 16, you can hardly call him a kid anymore. He can share laughs with Ron and snogs with Hermione.
Ah, yes, the DA. Anything else? They both like to go to Hogsmeade. What else? Studying? No. Library? No. Flying? No. Chess? No. Arguing? No. Following the rules? No.

Is that it?

[MPPMarauderGirl]

And the DA was so they'd be prepared. Harry didn't even want to do it, or else he would have made it up. Hermione over-stepped her boundaries by inviting others in. Again.

He'll be 16, you can hardly call him a kid anymore. He can share laughs with Ron and snogs with Hermione.

Seeing as he doesn't like her, he isn't going to kiss her or even think about it. Unless you can explain to me, like no one else has, how Harry can fall in love when he has shown no signs of attraction.

:wow: I think I threw up in my mouth after reading about Harry and Hermione snogging.

[Tzigone]

Are there any occurances where Harry and Hermione have fun (or even a good time?) together when it's just the two of them? I don't recall any, but I wouldn't bet money.

We know Ron and Hermione have had fun just the two of them together. Yes, I know Hogsmeade is a fun place, but it's all we've got to go on because Harry can't tell us whether they have fun are not when he isn't with them because he doesn't see them..

[Miss ERB]

No. I don't get it when people say Hermione's best for Harry. She may be, as the mother hen - but when it comes to the things boyfriend's value most - mutual things, common things, fun things - Hermione doesn't measure up to Harry's idea of fun. And we saw this in GoF when Harry was separated from Ron.


*Nods head* Don't you Harmonians remember when he only had Hermione to talk to he wasnt as happy or having as much fun..

Yep so Harry really needs Hermione as a girlfriend :p I dont think so.

[MPPMarauderGirl]

When it comes to Quidditch, Hermione has always supported Harry.

Support is one thing. But do you think she'd go to a game purely out of the love for it? No. Ginny will.

[DanielB]

Support is one thing. But do you think she'd go to a game purely out of the love for it? No. Ginny will.
You support Hermione/Ron right?

With that logic, why in the world would Hermione and Ron get together? Ron and Hermione have almost no common interests whatsoever. Either interests are irrelevant or you have to re-evaluate the situation.

[daz]

Hermione is way brighter than Ron. Nobody can denie that fact. So they aint equl. That makes no sense.

Now im not saying Hermione is a better person. All im saying in school Hermione excels.

Then we look at what Harry has done in his life.

Ron lags behind them. Now as people i wont say anything. But in work they aint equl. And never will be.

[MPPMarauderGirl]

*Nods head* Don't you Harmonians remember when he only had Hermione to talk to he wasnt as happy or having as much fun..

Yep so Harry really needs Hermione as a girlfriend :p I dont think so.

Agreed.

He hasn't had that much fun with Ginny, I know, besides looks, but he hasn't gotten to know her yet.

I can picture it!

"So, Ron... I'm going on a date with Hermione this weekend at Hogsmeade. You know how boring she gets... want to come and talk about Quidditch with me?" Half-Blood Prince, US ed, page 752


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: I'm so bad. :D

[faiza]

Aaah, Heron-attack. Help :scared:



Support is one thing. But do you think she'd go to a game purely out of the love for it? No. Ginny will.

She went to the World championship didn't she?



Ah, yes, the DA. Anything else? They both like to go to Hogsmeade. What else? Studying? No. Library? No. Flying? No. Chess? No. Arguing? No. Following the rules? No

We don't know if Hermione likes flying or not. She just didn't like flying on Buckbeak, same goes for Harry. Chess is more Ron's thing. I don't think she likes arguing (with Ron) much, Harry also avoids confrontation. When it's important, Hermione doesn't care about rules.

[SoObvious]

Hermione is way brighter than Ron. Nobody can denie that fact. So they aint equl. That makes no sense.

Now im not saying Hermione is a better person. All im saying in school Hermione excels.

Then we look at what Harry has done in his life.

Ron lags behind them. Now as people i wont say anything. But in work they aint equl. And never will be.

Like I said, they each have their own strengths and weaknesses. Hermione may be better than Ron in say schoolwork. But Ron is better than Hermione at certain things, like chess, or quidditch.

[DanielB]

Agreed.

He hasn't had that much fun with Ginny, I know, besides looks, but he hasn't gotten to know her yet.

I can picture it!

"So, Ron... I'm going on a date with Hermione this weekend at Hogsmeade. You know how boring she gets... want to come and talk about Quidditch with me?" Half-Blood Prince, US ed, page 752


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: I'm so bad. :D
Actually, I see Ron as more likely to say something like that.

[Miss ERB]

Agreed.

He hasn't had that much fun with Ginny, I know, besides looks, but he hasn't gotten to know her yet.

I can picture it!

"So, Ron... I'm going on a date with Hermione this weekend at Hogsmeade. You know how boring she gets... want to come and talk about Quidditch with me?" Half-Blood Prince, US ed, page 752


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: I'm so bad. :D


Yep and then he'd get stuck being bored with Hermione because Ron would get angry with Harry for stealing his girl..Lol ok no I actually dont think Harry finds her boring they just dont have the compatibility( yes they are compatible as friends) to become a couple.

[MPPMarauderGirl]

You support Hermione/Ron right?

With that logic, why in the world would Hermione and Ron get together? Ron and Hermione have almost no common interests whatsoever. Either interests are irrelevant or you have to re-evaluate the situation.

I get what you're playing at, but the situations are different. Ron has shown attraction to Hermione, for whatever reason he feels strongly for her. I can't get inside Ron's head, like I can Harry's. I can't pick what's best for Ron, because he has already made it clear that he feels Hermione is the best for him. From my standpoint, Hermione gets a little too fresh with all the girls around Ron, with the exception of Ginny. Why is this? Because you don't feel threatened by Ron's sister, surely? And she doesn't mind Cho, because she's got Harry tied up in knots.

Hermione and Ron will get together because they have shown signs of definite attraction, even if you'll only admit it's on Ron's account.

That's still better than Hermione and Harry, at any rate.

Ron does find Hermione interesting, or else he wouldn't like her. This is also true of why Harry doesn't like Hermione.

I'm out. Happy New Years.

Heron and Chocolate. :p

[clkginny]

Aaah, Heron-attack. Help :scared:





She went to the World championship didn't she?




We don't know if Hermione likes flying or not. She just didn't like flying on Buckbeak, same goes for Harry. Chess is more Ron's thing. I don't think she likes arguing (with Ron) much, Harry also avoids confrontation. When it's important, Hermione doesn't care about rules.
We've never seen Hermione fly except on Buckbeak. That indicates either dislike or lack of interest. Fair enough, chess is Ron's thing. She argues with Ron quite a bit. To me, this shows she enjoys it, or she would do the Harry non-confrontational thing, but that is opinion, not fact. Hermione doesn't care about rules when she feels it's important, but she doesn't strike me as getting a thrill out of it, either.

However, except for the DA, can you cite any instance in which Harry and Hermione haved enjoyed doing the same things?

[Baroness]

Are there any occurances where Harry and Hermione have fun (or even a good time?) together when it's just the two of them? I don't recall any, but I wouldn't bet money.

Actually, there's only one time I can ever recall Harry and Hermione hanging out and that's in GOF.

"Harry liked Hermione very much, but she just wasn't the same as Ron. There was much less laughter and a lot more hanging around in the library when Hermione was your best friend."

So, I think you're right. Harry doesn't get along as well with Hermione when it comes to leisurely activities. In my opinion, that would make it hard for the pair to have any sort of romantic relationship.

[Firebolt2004]

Before Ginny can get romantically involved with Harry there would have to be a resolution of the fact she's dating Dean. Why would JK put that in at the end of the book if she is setting things up so that Harry and Ginny will date? That seems contrary to the purpose some of you see in Ginny's OoTP blossoming.


Ginny is not dating Dean, She tells Ron that she has chosen Dean, we don't know if Dean likes her back and if they are dating or not. IMO Ginny says that just to get a rise out of Ron. If she was dating Dean why wasn't she with him in the train?

[daz]

Like I said, they each have their own strengths and weaknesses. Hermione may be better than Ron in say schoolwork. But Ron is better than Hermione at certain things, like chess, or quidditch.

Hermoine is not interested in this things. So we dont know how good she would be with prastise.


I dont get why people have a problem with Ron being a normal guy. He is normal. Most of the world is. Why make Ron out to be something he is not.

He is not a Harry and is not a Hermione, except that.


He does not have to be a super hero.

If there was no normal people out there. Who would the make coffee and sandwiches.

[SoObvious]

I dont get why people have a problem with Ron being a normal guy. He is normal. Most of the world is. Why make Ron out to be something he is not.

He is not a Harry and is not a Hermione, except that.




I don't have a problem with Ron being a normal guy. I just have a problem when people say that Hermione is too good for Ron, or he won't make enough money for her. (I know you didn't say this, I'm thinking about another poster)

If you think about it really, Harry isn't better than Ron in grades either, so...

[Firebolt2004]

JKR has done a great job of characterising Hermione and Ginny. Hermione is clever, studious, overachiever. Ginny is smart, mischevious, athletic. Hermione's idea of fun is to sit in the library and read her books. Ginny has good sense of fun, being influenced by older brothers, Fred and George. So its not hard to see who Harry would prefer.

[faiza]

If she was dating Dean why wasn't she with him in the train?

She wasn't sitting with Michael on the ride to Hogwarts so, that doesn't say much.


She argues with Ron quite a bit. To me, this shows she enjoys it,

Descriptions of her facial expressions while arguing tell me all I need to know.

"Harry liked Hermione very much, but she just wasn't the same as Ron. There was much less laughter and a lot more hanging around in the library when Hermione was your best friend."

They were preparing for the first task. I'd rather have a bored!Harry then a dead!Harry.

Harry and Hermione can laugh together, in even the most dire of situations:

"Harry looked at Hermione, who peered back at him from between the fingers over her face.
'Kind of makes you wish we had Norbert back, doesn't it?' he said and she gave a very shaky laugh

And at the same time they think back on a past adventure, where they also shared a laugh with the whole "I'm so happy I could dance" or something like that.

[daz]

JKR has done a great job of characterising Hermione and Ginny. Hermione is clever, studious, overachiever. Ginny is smart, mischevious, athletic. Hermione's idea of fun is to sit in the library and read her books. Ginny has good sense of fun, being influenced by older brothers, Fred and George. So its not hard to see who Harry would prefer.

Ginny...

Smart
Sense of fun
Stubbon
Athletic
Mischvious

Harry...

Smart
Sense of fun
Stubbon
Athletic
Mischvious


This is why i dont ship them. They are the same. Just a diffrent Sex. Jello and Jello is not my cup of tea. :evil:

[Tzigone]

They were preparing for the first task. I'd rather have a bored!Harry then a dead!Harry.


They didn't have fun at Hogmeade when he was in his invisibility cloak, either. I'll admit this wasn't the best time for him. But we've never once seen them have fun alone together. They only seeem to have fun when Ron is with them. Ron and Harry have fun alone together. Ron and Hermione have fun together. Maybe Ron's just the only fun one out of the three. <jk>

[Firebolt2004]

Harry and Hermione can laugh together, in even the most dire of situations:



And at the same time they think back on a past adventure, where they also shared a laugh with the whole "I'm so happy I could dance" or something like that.
Sharing a shaky laugh when they have just been exposed to a dangerous situation is not the same as being amused by funny situation. This has happened more between Harry and Ginny, in POA relating to Percy and Penelope, and in OOTP once at St Mungo's about Lockhart and once at the expense of Hermione in the hospital wing of hogwarts.

[HedwigOwl]

True. Hermione pushes him that way, because she has the best interests at heart. Because she's his friend. She's the guidence he needs. A girlfriend does not guide her boyfriend.

Okay? This is something funny. The girlfriend is supposed to walk next to him and hold his hand. Not push him into things. That's what Hermione does. Harry needs that from his friends, not from his girlfriend.

I disagree, maybe it's a perspective of age since I'm way older than you are. I think you'll agree though that friends should guide & push each other in the right direction. Even moreso a girlfriend or boyfriend. If you really care about someone, you'll try to put them in the right direction no matter what.

[Miss ERB]

Ginny...

Smart
Sense of fun
Stubbon
Athletic
Mischvious

Harry...

Smart
Sense of fun
Stubbon
Athletic
Mischvious




This is why i dont ship them. They are the same. Just a diffrent Sex. Jello and Jello is not my cup of tea. :evil:



Maybe they do share those qualities..but their also very different people. And just because they share similiar qualities doesnt mean their personalities are exactly the same. Harry has a very bad temper, he's a bit selfish at times and Ginny is calm and can deal with Harry's anger very easily so fights dont last long. I know thats not much information about Ginny. Harry tends to withdrawl and Ginny is forceful. See they have their differences and share common interests and qualities.

[Firebolt2004]

Ginny...

Smart
Sense of fun
Stubbon
Athletic
Mischvious

Harry...

Smart
Sense of fun
Stubbon
Athletic
Mischvious


This is why i dont ship them. They are the same. Just a diffrent Sex. Jello and Jello is not my cup of tea. :evil:


But why would Harry want to be with someone who's boring? If you ship H/Hr.

[GilyAnn]

Originally Posted by clkginny
Before Ginny can get romantically involved with Harry there would have to be a resolution of the fact she's dating Dean. Why would JK put that in at the end of the book if she is setting things up so that Harry and Ginny will date? That seems contrary to the purpose some of you see in Ginny's OoTP blossoming.

Ginny is not dating Dean. Ron's suggestion was that she choose someone better next time. At that Ginny says that she has choosen Dean Thomas and asks for his approval. While I believe that Ginny is sincere and she will probably like to date Dean, the fact is that there is no proof that Dean will want to date Ginny or is even interested in her. He is however interested in Pavarti and Patil. If this would really be a plot line for the next book, I believe JKR would have bother to put at least a hint of interest in Dean or show some foreshadowing. For all the symbolisms that JKR put around H/G and what she has foreshadow around them the D/G remark sort of sounds like another one of her fun jokes or perhaps a Red Herring.

Gily Ann

[daz]

Maybe they do share those qualities..but their also very different people. And just because they share similiar qualities doesnt mean their personalities are exactly the same. Harry has a very bad temper, he's a bit selfish at times and Ginny is calm and can deal with Harry's anger very easily so fights dont last long. I know thats not much information about Ginny. Harry tends to withdrawl and Ginny is forceful. See they have their differences and share common interests and qualities.


Harry had a temper for one book and we knoe that Ginny can be a handful as well. Fred and Geogre said that. Hermione is forcful. And so is Ginny, yet for Ginny and Harry this is good but for Hermione and Harry its bad. You are having double standerds here.

But why would Harry want to be with someone who's boring? If you ship H/Hr.

If Hermione was that boring they would not have been best friends for 5 years. There are good and bad in all relationships.

[Miss ERB]

Harry had a temper for one book and we knoe that Ginny can be a handful as well. Fred and Geogre said that. Hermione is forcful. And so is Ginny, yet for Ginny and Harry this is good but for Hermione and Harry its bad. You are having double standerds here.


Ginny gets straight to the point,Hermione gets nervous when standing up to Harry. Hermione isnt exactly forceful, shes overbearing. Ginny isnt overbearing. Harry needs someone who is calm,Hermione is not calm.

[daz]

Happy new year. Its the New year in England. Hope you all have a great new year.

And lets bring on the 18th of July.

[Miss ERB]

Happy new year. Its the New year in England. Hope you all have a great new year.

And lets bring on the 18th of July.


16th lol :p And Happy new year! Its only 7:06 pm here!

[daz]

Ginny gets straight to the point,Hermione gets nervous when standing up to Harry. Hermione isnt exactly forceful, shes overbearing. Ginny isnt overbearing. Harry needs someone who is calm,Hermione is not calm.

Hermione Pushes Harry to breaking point in OOTP. After he has his vison of Sirius. But Hermione pushes Harry to think and he does. And he listens. A great moment. She reachs Harry. While Ron just stands there.

[Firebolt2004]

Harry had a temper for one book and we knoe that Ginny can be a handful as well. Fred and Geogre said that. Hermione is forcful. And so is Ginny, yet for Ginny and Harry this is good but for Hermione and Harry its bad. You are having double standerds here.



If Hermione was that boring they would not have been best friends for 5 years. There are good and bad in all relationships.


When Harry and Ron were fighting in GOF, he missed Ron the whole time even if he was angry at him. When Hermione and Harry/Ron were fighting on POA about the firebolt issue, Harry/Ron went about their business without really worrying about Hermione until Hagrid intervened. Harry's thoughts about Hermione are that she is bossy, she's a nag, she forces them to do homework, study etc. I don't see that as being very attracted to each other.

[daz]

16th lol :p And Happy new year! Its only 7:06 pm here!


LOL thanks i said the 18th as thats my Dads birthday. Im Dumb. :rotfl:

When Harry and Ron were fighting in GOF, he missed Ron the whole time even if he was angry at him. When Hermione and Harry/Ron were fighting on POA about the firebolt issue, Harry/Ron went about their business without really worrying about Hermione until Hagrid intervened. Harry's thoughts about Hermione are that she is bossy, she's a nag, she forces them to do homework, study etc. I don't see that as being very attracted to each other.

There are no romatic feelings till GOF. So i dont think POS is shippy. In anyway or form.

[Miss ERB]

Hermione Pushes Harry to breaking point in OOTP. After he has his vison of Sirius. But Hermione pushes Harry to think and he does. And he listens. A great moment. She reachs Harry. While Ron just stands there.


Well Ron is not Ginny. Exactly, Hermione is pushy(overbearing) Ginny is not pushy, shes just knows how to deal with people(Harry)

Well Hermione is smart, and Harry's her best friend shes bound to give him some good advice sometimes.

Getting back to the prophecy thing. Do you think he needs someone who is going to freak out and most likely cry over the prophecy( Hermione) or would he need someone who will most likely stay calm and be as positive as possible in that situation(Ginny)

[Tzigone]

I think Harry will need all five of the others. Not everything is about ships. Harry needs Ron and Hermione, and I think he'll need the other three too.

[daz]

Thats why he has never turned to Neville in 5 years. Or Ginny in 4 years. He is content with just Hermione and Ron. He knows he can trust them.

[SoObvious]

Thats why he has never turned to Neville in 5 years. Or Ginny in 4 years. He is content with just Hermione and Ron. He knows he can trust them.

Yes, but now that the war has started, he's going to need more than just Ron and Hermione. That's why JKR introduced Ginny, Nevillie, and Luna to us in OotP by the DoM fight. Harry never could have gotten through it without all of there help.

[Tzigone]

No dice for me, sorry daz. The stakes are getting bigger. Voldemort is back now, he's regathered his DE's. A larger force is needed. These five can all be trusted - they all went with him and fought. They've all proved themselves, IMO.

Times are changing. I think the entire DA, and the vast majority of Hogwarts students are going to need to unite (not to mention Krum and Fleur). I think that the WW will need everyone they can get to fight the DE's if they're going to beat Voldie. I could be wrong of course. But that's what I think.

[daz]

Getting back to the prophecy thing. Do you think he needs someone who is going to freak out and most likely cry over the prophecy( Hermione) or would he need someone who will most likely stay calm and be as positive as possible in that situation(Ginny)

He does not trust Ginny yet. Why would he even consider telling Ginny. He has never turned to Ginny. And he wont start with alife or death Prophecy. We know Ginny is weak to Voldie. We have seen it. And nobody must know the Prophecy. So telling Ginny would cause more problems.

Yes, but now that the war has started, he's going to need more than just Ron and Hermione. That's why JKR introduced Ginny, Nevillie, and Luna to us in OotP by the DoM fight. Harry never could have gotten through it without all of there help.


What did Ginny do in the DOM. Or Luna. Neville was good granted.

[Miss ERB]

Thats why he has never turned to Neville in 5 years. Or Ginny in 4 years. He is content with just Hermione and Ron. He knows he can trust them.


Well he is growing up..he's going to develope new relationships. Yes he will always need his two best friends. But the thing is as JK said " Whats life without a bit of romance" since I dont feel Hermione is or is ever going to be Harry LI, he will need other people in his life.

[daz]

No dice for me, sorry daz. The stakes are getting bigger. Voldemort is back now, he's regathered his DE's. A larger force is needed. These five can all be trusted - they all went with him and fought. They've all proved themselves, IMO.

Times are changing. I think the entire DA, and the vast majority of Hogwarts students are going to need to unite (not to mention Krum and Fleur). I think that the WW will need everyone they can get to fight the DE's if they're going to beat Voldie. I could be wrong of course. But that's what I think.

Im sorry. This are Kids. How many kids do you know that fight in Wars.

Kids dont fight in Wars. So you are asking for kids that are 14 to fight. Im sorry that does not happen. There is a such a thing as Law

[SoObvious]

What did Ginny do in the DOM. Or Luna. Neville was good granted.

Well, I'm sure they took out a couple death eaters. The exact same as what Ron and Hermione did. But you're right, it was definitley Neville's time to shine.

He does not trust Ginny yet. Why would he even consider telling Ginny. He has never turned to Ginny. And he wont start with alife or death Prophecy. We know Ginny is weak to Voldie. We have seen it. And nobody must know the Prophecy. So telling Ginny would cause more problems.


Ginny's not weak to Voldie. Dumbledore said himself, that wiser wizards have had themselves tricked by Voldemort.

[Miss ERB]

He does not trust Ginny yet. Why would he even consider telling Ginny. He has never turned to Ginny. And he wont start with alife or death Prophecy. We know Ginny is weak to Voldie. We have seen it. And nobody must know the Prophecy. So telling Ginny would cause more problems.




What did Ginny do in the DOM. Or Luna. Neville was good granted.



Woah! Why are we so anti-Ginny!? We dont know what Ginny did in the DOM because she was with the others..obviously she had to fight the death eaters or she would have been out cold much before Harry met up with them again.

Ginny may have been weak to Voldemort once but shes much older now, and we do have reason to belive shes a pretty good witch. He'll tell Ginny..she'll know. Maybe he'll tell Ron and Hermione first. In my opinion that means nothing because It really depends on what point in the book he tells them about the prophecy. JK did say it needs to sink in to Harry before he tells his friends. By the time he's ready to tell Ginny and Harry might already be much closer.

[Tzigone]

Im sorry. This are Kids. How many kids do you know that fight in Wars.

Kids dont fight in Wars. So you are asking for kids that are 14 to fight. Im sorry that does not happen. There is a such a thing as Law


So if someone is trying to kill them they don't fight, cause that's the law?

Those kids are better prepared than the average citizen in the WW to fight. They at least have a better idea than others about what's going on.


Using your logic Harry, Ron and Hermione won't fight either. They've been fighting since they were 11. And for that matter none of the six fought against the DEs, either, since it would be against the law.

I'm not saying the Ministry is going to mobilize these kids. But I expect more than a few will face battle.

This is not the real world. And in many places in the real world kids do fight in wars. It may be the law that they aren't supposed to, but some don't respect that, and I think DE's are most likely in that group.

[DarkWand]

Ron will probally fall in luv with Hermione. Its sooo obvious. :eyebrows:

[daz]

These are kids books. I dont see Ginny fighting in a war. That is why Harry cant join the order. He is not an adult. And i dont see Molly letting Ginny fight in a war. Men fight in wars. Not children. R/Hr/H have had fights with deatheaters. But the full war has not started. A War is like The return of the king. Or Iraq.

[Tzigone]

Molly didn't let Ginny go to the DOM, but she did it anyway.

Children do fight in wars. They do. It is a sad fact of life. I'll find some news articles discussing it if you like.

Now we're getting off the topic of romance, and so I'm not going to discuss it further. Unless I can't resist; I have trouble letting topics go.

[daz]

OK back on topic . Go Hermony. I cant wait till HBP.

[Miss ERB]

This is off topic but WOOO I'm a third year!

[Firebolt2004]

These are kids books. I dont see Ginny fighting in a war. That is why Harry cant join the order. He is not an adult. And i dont see Molly letting Ginny fight in a war. Men fight in wars. Not children. R/Hr/H have had fights with deatheaters. But the full war has not started. A War is like The return of the king. Or Iraq.


Ultimately Harry has to face Voldemort. Whether you want to call it a War or not, the kids are involved in it. I see Ginny as being an asset to Harry If she hadn't fought of the death eaters in DOM, she'd be dead.

[SoObvious]

I cant wait till HBP.

I agree with you there!

This is off topic but WOOO I'm a third year!

Congrats!

Anywhoo, i'm going now, so everyone have a happy new year and a great 2005!

[Claudia]

She went to the World championship didn't she?
Yes. Perhaps because Ron invited her? ;)
Ah, yes, the DA. Anything else? They both like to go to Hogsmeade. What else? Studying? No. Library? No. Flying? No. Chess? No. Arguing? No. Following the rules? No We don't know if Hermione likes flying or not. She just didn't like flying on Buckbeak, same goes for Harry. Chess is more Ron's thing. I don't think she likes arguing (with Ron) much, Harry also avoids confrontation. When it's important, Hermione doesn't care about rules.I wonder sometimes how exactly dates are going to go for Ron and Hermione--what on earth are they going to do (and if you can't post anything nice in reply, don't post anything at all... :p)? But then there is this: Hermione does appear to enjoy chess. Or perhaps she just likes the challenge of trying to beat Ron--although we've seen her play Ron several times, we don't see any games between Harry and Hermione. And we have the "time of their lives" description of Ron and Hermione at Hogsmeade when they went together in PoA. This despite the fact that when they discussed Hogsmeade at the beginning at the year, they obviously were looking forward to completely different things during the Hogsmeade visits. Perhaps they simply enjoy spending time together, no matter what they are doing.

[DarkWand]

Harry and Cho.

[DragonChamber7]

Yes. Perhaps because Ron invited her?

Yes, I do often wonder what happens when Harry isn't around... ;)

[Firebolt2004]

Yes, I do often wonder what happens when Harry isn't around... ;)

Thats what we'd all like to know :D

[clkginny]

Ginny is not dating Dean. Ron's suggestion was that she choose someone better next time. At that Ginny says that she has choosen Dean Thomas and asks for his approval. While I believe that Ginny is sincere and she will probably like to date Dean, the fact is that there is no proof that Dean will want to date Ginny or is even interested in her. He is however interested in Pavarti and Patil. If this would really be a plot line for the next book, I believe JKR would have bother to put at least a hint of interest in Dean or show some foreshadowing. For all the symbolisms that JKR put around H/G and what she has foreshadow around them the D/G remark sort of sounds like another one of her fun jokes or perhaps a Red Herring.

Gily Ann
Perhaps we should put this one in the vague column. We actually don't know whether or not they're dating (and I shouldn't have said they were, my bad) but the suggestion has been made and will have to be resolved. I hope she doesn't date Dean and then do an about face and date Harry. I would be dissapointed in her character if that happens. (And she happens to be one of my favorites :eyebrows: )

[Tzigone]

Diappointed in what? Her dating three guys over a space of 3 and half years? (starting with Yule Ball & through 7th year). I don't see anything wrong with that.

[clkginny]

Diappointed in what? Her dating three guys over a space of 3 and half years? (starting with Yule Ball & through 7th year). I don't see anything wrong with that.
I think of her character as loyal. If she was dating Dean, then woke up one morning and went "Wow, I love Harry, sorry Dean, see you" (or similar) then that would strike me as fickle. So a "sudden about face" would make me disappointed in her character.

[Firebolt2004]

I think of her character as loyal. If she was dating Dean, then woke up one morning and went "Wow, I love Harry, sorry Dean, see you" (or similar) then that would strike me as fickle. So a "sudden about face" would make me disappointed in her character.


I agree and that's why I don't believe she will be dating Dean. Or if she does they probably will break up before school reopens.

[Claudia]

What did Ginny do in the DOM. Or Luna. Neville was good granted.Luna appears to have saved both Ginny and Ron's lives in the DoM.

I'm not quite sure what to make of Ginny's performance at the DoM. On the one hand, I really do think that HMS Chocolate is gaining ground fast. On the other hand, here we have Ginny's original declaration in the Forbidden Forest:
OotP Ch.33 (Fight and Flight)
...Ginny said fiercely, 'I'm three years older than you were when you fought You-Know-Who over the Philosopher's Stone, and it's because of me that Malfoy's stuck back in Umbridge's office with giant flying bogies attacking him -'

Good point! And all along in OotP we are reminded of George's words that "Size is no guarantee of power," especially when it comes to Ginny Weasley. But then we actually get to the DoM, and we see Ginny distracted by the Hummingbird of Time, used by the Death Eaters to threaten Harry, and the next time we see Ginny after the sextet splits up:
OotP Ch.35 (Beyond the Veil)
'Ginny?' Harry said fearfully. 'What happened?'
But Ginny shook her head and slid down the wall into a sitting position, panting and holding her ankle.
'I think her ankle's broken, I heard something crack,' whispered Luna, who was bending over her and who alone seemed to be unhurt.
[snip]
...'- anyway, one of them grabbed Ginny's foot, I used the Reductor Curse and blew up Pluto in his face, but…'
Luna gestured hopelessly at Ginny, who was breathing in a very shallow way, her eyes still closed.
Ginny is a year older than Ron was during the showdown with Sirius Black in PoA. And yet back then, with a broken leg, Ron was still capable of throwing himself on Sirius to stop him from strangling Harry, of continuing to protect Scabbers, and certainly was able to talk.

At the moment, Ginny does not seem quite up to the same level as Neville and Luna, although her status as a character is definitely increasing.

[Firebolt2004]

Luna appears to have saved both Ginny and Ron's lives in the DoM.

I'm not quite sure what to make of Ginny's performance at the DoM. On the one hand, I really do think that HMS Chocolate is gaining ground fast. On the other hand, here we have Ginny's original declaration in the Forbidden Forest:
OotP Ch.33 (Fight and Flight)
...Ginny said fiercely, 'I'm three years older than you were when you fought You-Know-Who over the Philosopher's Stone, and it's because of me that Malfoy's stuck back in Umbridge's office with giant flying bogies attacking him -'

Good point! And all along in OotP we are reminded of George's words that "Size is no guarantee of power," especially when it comes to Ginny Weasley. But then we actually get to the DoM, and we see Ginny distracted by the Hummingbird of Time, used by the Death Eaters to threaten Harry, and the next time we see Ginny after the sextet splits up:
OotP Ch.35 (Beyond the Veil)
'Ginny?' Harry said fearfully. 'What happened?'
But Ginny shook her head and slid down the wall into a sitting position, panting and holding her ankle.
'I think her ankle's broken, I heard something crack,' whispered Luna, who was bending over her and who alone seemed to be unhurt.
[snip]
...'- anyway, one of them grabbed Ginny's foot, I used the Reductor Curse and blew up Pluto in his face, but…'
Luna gestured hopelessly at Ginny, who was breathing in a very shallow way, her eyes still closed.
Ginny is a year older than Ron was during the showdown with Sirius Black in PoA. And yet back then, with a broken leg, Ron was still capable of throwing himself on Sirius to stop him from strangling Harry, of continuing to protect Scabbers, and certainly was able to talk.

At the moment, Ginny does not seem quite up to the same level as Neville and Luna, although her status as a character is definitely increasing.


That is not a fair assesment of Ginny's capabilities. Ron wasn't being cursed by Death Eaters who knew all the vilest dark curses in POA. She did much better than Ron who was distracted by Uranus and floating brains.

[Tzigone]

I think of her character as loyal. If she was dating Dean, then woke up one morning and went "Wow, I love Harry, sorry Dean, see you" (or similar) then that would strike me as fickle. So a "sudden about face" would make me disappointed in her character.

Well, sure. But if she dated Dean for a while and then they broke up and then she dated Harry it would be no big deal, IMO. (though it would unneccesarily take up time) What I'm saying I guess, is that I don't have a problem with her dating Dean.

[Nyssa]

I thought we're talking about who will Hermione[U] fall in love with, not who Harry or Ginny will fall in love with.
Anyway, I don't agree H/G romance. Don't you think Harry Potter is a bit of a 'aloner'?

[clkginny]

Luna appears to have saved both Ginny and Ron's lives in the DoM.

I'm not quite sure what to make of Ginny's performance at the DoM. On the one hand, I really do think that HMS Chocolate is gaining ground fast. On the other hand, here we have Ginny's original declaration in the Forbidden Forest:
OotP Ch.33 (Fight and Flight)
...Ginny said fiercely, 'I'm three years older than you were when you fought You-Know-Who over the Philosopher's Stone, and it's because of me that Malfoy's stuck back in Umbridge's office with giant flying bogies attacking him -'

Good point! And all along in OotP we are reminded of George's words that "Size is no guarantee of power," especially when it comes to Ginny Weasley. But then we actually get to the DoM, and we see Ginny distracted by the Hummingbird of Time, used by the Death Eaters to threaten Harry, and the next time we see Ginny after the sextet splits up:
OotP Ch.35 (Beyond the Veil)
'Ginny?' Harry said fearfully. 'What happened?'
But Ginny shook her head and slid down the wall into a sitting position, panting and holding her ankle.
'I think her ankle's broken, I heard something crack,' whispered Luna, who was bending over her and who alone seemed to be unhurt.
[snip]
...'- anyway, one of them grabbed Ginny's foot, I used the Reductor Curse and blew up Pluto in his face, but…'
Luna gestured hopelessly at Ginny, who was breathing in a very shallow way, her eyes still closed.
Ginny is a year older than Ron was during the showdown with Sirius Black in PoA. And yet back then, with a broken leg, Ron was still capable of throwing himself on Sirius to stop him from strangling Harry, of continuing to protect Scabbers, and certainly was able to talk.

At the moment, Ginny does not seem quite up to the same level as Neville and Luna, although her status as a character is definitely increasing.
It is hard to know how well she did, other than the part that Luna describes. She could have been doing the best up until that point, or crying on the floor. This is why I hate trying to speculate on things we haven't seen.

And peoples ability to tolerate pain vary. That has very little to do with how good she did fighting. It has more to do with how stoic she is. (Ron wasn't very stoic when they got out of the Shreiking Shack though, was he :rotfl: )

[Tzigone]

Um, this thread is about all couples, right? So we can talk about Harry/Fleur v. Harry/Millicent. Or Ernie/Hannah v. Ernie/Pansy.

[clkginny]

Um, this thread is about all couples, right? So we can talk about Harry/Fleur v. Harry/Millicent. Or Ernie/Hannah v. Ernie/Pansy.
Yes. Funny though, how any ship that gets away from the trio never seems to get any traction. lol

[Claudia]

That is not a fair assesment of Ginny's capabilities. Ron wasn't being cursed by Death Eaters who knew all the vilest dark curses in POA. She did much better than Ron who was distracted by Uranus and floating brains.I'm not bashing Ginny at all--I just get the impression that Ginny is not quite as 'ready' as she thinks she is just yet. The scene that stands out the most is the one where Ginny has reemerged from the planet room. Again, compared to what Ron was able to do with a broken leg in PoA (and what Harry was able to do with a broken arm in the Quidditch match in CoS), Ginny ought to be able at least to talk--to tell Harry what happened. This is during a lull in the fighting.

As for Ron in the DoM, I'm still not convinced how useful Ron is in these sorts of fight situations. He gets taken out (or allows himself to be taken out--PS/SS) fairly consistently. Then again, I was sure that Hermione was pretty helpless also, and she certainly shined at the DoM.

(Ron wasn't very stoic when they got out of the Shreiking Shack though, was he :rotfl: )That's in the movie. In the book, Ron acts good as new after Lupin binds up his leg for a whole five minutes or so before Pettigrew knocks him cold.

[clkginny]

I'm not bashing Ginny at all--I just get the impression that Ginny is not quite as 'ready' as she thinks she is just yet. The scene that stands out the most is the one where Ginny has reemerged from the planet room. Again, compared to what Ron was able to do with a broken leg in PoA (and what Harry was able to do with a broken arm in the Quidditch match in CoS), Ginny ought to be able at least to talk--to tell Harry what happened. This is during a lull in the fighting.

As for Ron in the DoM, I'm still not convinced how useful Ron is in these sorts of fight situations. He gets taken out (or allows himself to be taken out--PS/SS) fairly consistently. Then again, I was sure that Hermione was pretty helpless also, and she certainly shined at the DoM.

That's in the movie. In the book, Ron acts good as new after Lupin binds up his leg for a whole five minutes or so before Pettigrew knocks him cold.
Eeeek! Seen the movie 15 times since I've read the book. I'm just starting again. Sometimes, I lose these little details, thanks for setting me right.

[sergorat]

Um, this thread is about all couples, right? So we can talk about Harry/Fleur v. Harry/Millicent. Or Ernie/Hannah v. Ernie/Pansy.
I think that Harry/Fleur is impossible because Fleur is too old for him.
I think it was Harry, who said in CoS that Millicent had an ungly nose, so I can't imagine this couple. Ernie/Hannah is a good one, they seem to fit together...
Pansy belongs to Malfoy, I think. But I don't think that Malfoy is flavourless that he chooses her.
Well, I think Ron/CHo is a good one and Ginny/Colin.

[Claudia]

Um, this thread is about all couples, right? So we can talk about Harry/Fleur v. Harry/Millicent. Or Ernie/Hannah v. Ernie/Pansy.My favorite ignored couple is Hagrid/Madame Maxime. I cannot quite figure out whether Hagrid is still in love with her or not during OotP--he certainly admires her greatly, but we don't get any information about whether he is even still in contact with her. And of course, I have no idea of Madame Maxime's feelings.

[Tzigone]

I think that Harry/Fleur is impossible because Fleur is too old for him.
I think it was Harry, who said in CoS that Millicent had an ungly nose, so I can't imagine this couple. Ernie/Hannah is a good one, they seem to fit together...
Pansy belongs to Malfoy, I think. But I don't think that Malfoy is flavourless that he chooses her.
Well, I think Ron/CHo is a good one and Ginny/Colin.


You are so deliberately missing my point, aren't you? :p

I'd never argue that Fleur was too old for Harry. It's three years differnce and that's not to big of a deal, even at their age (though for the girl to be older is unusual). But her dating Bill could put a crimp in things, I'll admit.

Glad you agree on Ernie/Hannah. It's nice we can agree on something.

I think Pansy and Malfoy are a likely couple. I've seen no indication that he's "too good for her" or that he's any better looking than her (people argue that's she's too unattractive, but ignore that Draco isn't described as a dreamboat). I don't quite understand the "flavourless" comment, could you elaborate?

I don't think Ron/Cho would work. He'd probably also like someone "a bit more cheerful." I have my own plans for Ginny, but I can see the appeal of Ginny/Colin. What about Luna/Dennis?

[avadakadapefy]

aren't you forgetting the 2 main characters?

[Tzigone]

who, me?

Not talking about the trio, but I know they exist.

[sergorat]

I think Pansy and Malfoy are a likely couple. I've seen no indication that he's "too good for her" or that he's any better looking than her (people argue that's she's too unattractive, but ignore that Draco isn't described as a dreamboat). I don't quite understand the "flavourless" comment, could you elaborate?
We don't know much about Pansy's family. Maybe they aren't DEs, that would be a great shame if little Draco comes with a non-DE girlfriend. Maybe her parents are DE, but they don't appear on the Black. family-tree, so I supposed that the Parkinsons aren't as noble as the Blacks or the Malfoys.
I have always imagined a Draco with a girlfriend like Bella or Narcissa. Noble and powerful. Pansy seems a bit crude.

[SoObvious]

I don't think Ron/Cho would work. He'd probably also like someone "a bit more cheerful." I have my own plans for Ginny, but I can see the appeal of Ginny/Colin. What about Luna/Dennis?


I agree. I think that Cho is a bit too sensitive for Ron. Ron's not the type of person that would realise what he said is wrong...if you understand what i'm saying.

[Firebolt2004]

:clap: Happy New Year :clap:

May the new year bring more Harry Ginny and Ron Hermione shippers on board and our wishes come true on July 16 2005 !! :D

[Miss ERB]

:clap: Happy New Year :clap:

May the new year bring more Harry Ginny and Ron Hermione shippers on board and our wishes come true on July 16 2005 !! :D

I know my wishes will come true on July 16th..however, do you feel Lucky Harmonians? :evil:

Anyway Happy New year! I still have an hour and ten minutes till its new year.

[Angua9]

Who says she was really annoyed? Maybe she couldn't bear staying in a room with all those Harry's without revealing how she really feels :eyebrows:
:rotfl: Cute!

But, umm... how she really feels about Harry is "irritation," apparently. ;)

I offer you this: I will go and check out the pages myself at some time and then post it here. I will owl you then for you check out and have the appropiate counter reply at that time.
:tu:
You think that even the neutral remarks are proof of extreme interest? :rotfl: :rotfl: Oooooook.....

I really cannot say anything about it execept that I don't agree with you. I think positive attention is positive, negative is negative and neutral is...ah...neutral. Duh! :rotfl:
Think about it a little more. What is the opposite of interest? DISinterest. Saying negative things about somebody ("I'll sponsor you to shut up about SPEW" or "don't be pathetic, Ron!") shows interest. Saying neutral things about somebody ("where's Hermione?" or "have you seen Ron?") shows interest. Saying positive things about somebody ("loads more than I do" or "he could if you don't watch out!") shows interest. DISinterest is demonstrated by rarely or never saying things about them, especially when it would be natural to do so.

We have overwhelming evidence that Hermione and Ron are interested in each other -- the only question is what kind of interest it is. Not that I think that's a question, either! I worked that one out quite a while ago. :evil:

It is Hermione's opinion which matters and I repeat she said to Ron's face that she thinks that his being rude to her is a normal behavior!!! You think that she thinks that being rude to her as a rule as something positive, even attractive in a relationship?
Errr... you do know she was teasing him, right? They were actually, for once, bantering! :clap:

This thread would be long dead if it wasn't for Harmonians who have made very interesting pattern findings.
Oh, I certainly agree with this! There has been enormous cleverness, passion, and ingenuity expended on the H/Hr side delaying the inevitable demise of this thread. But, no matter how we spin out our theories and no matter how many beautiful patterns we find, there is only one REAL answer and we'll learn it eventually. :)

2) Agree, Hermione is just as prone, if not more, to abuse Ron. But is this healthy? Is something that will guarantee happiness? Is this something that will make them be together for the rest of their lives? I seem to think that NO. They bring the worst of each other when they meet. Does Ron need someone who will tell him the worse things without blinking? We know he has a inferiority complex (at worse) and insecurity. He needs to achieve things to feel his worth. How somebody like Hermione be the best for making him sure of himself? To bring him to maturity? This is not assertive. If you wanted him to be happy you'd wish a different life partner for him.

And I dont' really think that the Good ship wants Ron and Hermione together because they are two abusive characters and deserve each other for this!!! I won't even go into that statement. Just take a look at what you imply: So a marriage who is abusive and they fight hitting each other physically should remain together? Should their kids stand that? I just don't agree with you and never will, even if indeed Ron ends up with Hermione and Harry with Ginny and the Giant Squid with Filch.
I don't think they are "abusive" -- that was your word, which I very strongly disagree with. I think they are in conflict and that their conflict needs to be resolved.

I can't help but be curious about your adamant opposition to this really quite common form of romance plot. Do you think Beatrice and Benedict found the wrong life partners? And Katherine and Petrucio? Do you watch Tracy/Hepburn movies and shudder at the horrible life awaiting the hero and heroine? Did you think The African Queen was a tragedy and The Sure Thing was a lesson in how NOT to pick a mate? Were you rooting for Dave and Maddie to never get together, and groaning with disapproval when Leia told Han she loved him?

Conflict makes a good story. :tu:

And two, as I said in my previous post, one can like a character precisely because of his flaws and I like Ron because he is a complex and very well rounded character. A very original one. But I see clearly that he was never intended to be a partner for life for Hermione Granger.
I believe you are precisely mistaken here.

She and Harry have been changed into a duo in the last book at least. And to be prominently apart from Ron in the last three books. You must be aware of this because it's Harry and Hermione who have been key to the last three books instead of Ron and Hermione together.
Nope. I'm not aware of that in the least. I'm aware that Harry has been key to all five books, with Ron and Hermione supporting him in various and varying ways. I believe that your perception that Ron has been somehow diminished and the trio has been "changed into a duo" is absolutely wrong, and the result of a reading not intended by the author and influenced by bias (either ship bias or character bias).

And it is a reading that distresses me, because I feel that it is contrary to the spirit and moral themes J.K. Rowling is trying to convey. Seriously, how do you think she would feel if she knew people were combing her books for evidence that one member of her beloved Trio is inferior to the other two, and using the word abusive to characterize the interactions she has written between them? Would you say those things to her face??

Hermione and Harry were together in the resolution of PoA. Her intelligence of the workings of time and timeturner, plus her ability to come up with a plan to save the day were completely used then.
Which made up somewhat for her striking absence from Harry's life in chapters 12, 13, and 14, and her absence from most of the second half of CoS, including the resolution. JKR gives Harry "alone time" with both of his two best friends. (psst... it was Harry's plan, though -- in the book)

In book four Hermione teaches the Accio charm that saves Harry's life when facing Voldemort. SHe also stand by Harry when everybody else, including Ron turn his back on him. Isn't that writing her apart from the rest of the characters, including Ron, Neville and Ginny?
No. It's a dramatic episode exploring and reaffirming the friendship between Harry and Ron (and giving Hermione time alone with Harry to make up for CoS and PoA). It's also a chance to show how Harry and Hermione function together socially (as opposed to action-wise), and it's not good news.

In book five, Hermione comes up with the Rita article, that changes half the Wizarding world mind about Harry and Voldie, has the Grawp adventour with Harry, comes up with the DA, saves Harry from being Crucio from Umbridge, tries to save him from the Sirius ploy and also stands by him in the DoM adventour.
Yes. All very nice, but it was Neville who was with him the longest, and it was Ron who shared the snake episode with him, as well as most of his connections to Voldemort, not to mention winning the Quidditch Cup, helping the "other four" defeat six students while tied up, gagged, and wandless, finding Harry and Hermione and bringing them their wands, fighting Death Eaters separately from Harry, etc. So?

This is a change from book 1 and 2 where the whole 3 was important to the resolution of cases. Now Ron is at most loyal, but in none of these instances he says or does anything that changes the course of events one bit. Not in book 4 or 5 at least. We should be able to see the trend clearly by now?

I think that if JKR wanted the trio to remain as it once was, she would have included Ron in some way, as she did in book 1 and 2. But I think she has her own reasons.
:rotfl: Ron isn't included? Ron doesn't change the course of events one bit? I think you need to do some serious re-reading and think about this "trend" you think you see. Is it really there, or are you simply striving to write off one member of the Trio for your own ship-related purposes?

Sigh. An overwhealming ammount of setting apart from the rest for Hermione, how can you say that Ron and she are in the same league regarding importance? It wasn't written like that even for the most superficial reader. Without Hermione, Harry would be long dead.
So what? Without Ron, he would be long dead, too. Also without Dumbledore, Lupin, Sirius, Lily, Fawkes, and God knows who else.

I'm sorry, but I think your "overwhelming amount of setting apart" doesn't amount to a hill of beans, and you're simply wrong that Ron is in a lesser league of importance from Hermione... to Harry, to the reader (superficial or in-depth), or -- most importantly -- to JKR. All you're doing is arbitrarily defining importance as "the things Hermione is good at" (clever plans, analysis, caution, knowledge, etc.), ignoring an amazing amount of episodes where Harry and Ron have important experiences together, glorifying and exalting everything Hermione happens to do, and drawing your conclusion to fit your wishes.

Ron is the thing Harry would (and does!) sorely miss.
Ron is Harry's first and best friend.
Ron is the person whose name appears in the books second most often to Harry's own.
Ron is the person Harry is so upset to be without he can't even learn a simple Summoning Charm.
Ron is one of the two people whose faces allow Harry to cast a Patronus in the beginning of Book 5, and the one person Harry proposes to go alone to the DoM with.
Ron is the person with whom Harry longs to spend Christmas.
Ron is the person Harry misses on the train.
Ron is the person Harry looks forward to playing Quidditch with to console himself through the awful OWL exams.
Ron is the person who talks alone with Harry in OotP almost twice as often as Hermione does.
Ron is the person whom Harry lists first almost every time he thinks of his two friends.
Ron is the person JKR lists first after Harry almost every time she talks about her characters.
Ron is the person who appeared to JKR on the train ride on the same day she thought of Harry, along with Hagrid, Peeves, and Nearly-Headless Nick.
Ron is the person Harry can tell his exam scores to, the person he trusts not to tell his dreams to Hermione, the person he exchanges secret looks with when Hermione does mad things, and the person who knows that he's really not ready to ask out Cho.
Ron is the person Harry chooses his course schedule by, and the person who first articulates their (shared) goal of being an Auror.


Don't hold your breath waiting for that person to be phased out of the books! :rotfl:

That makes no sense. Ginny is a Weasley. And he thinks of them as his family. You can not have 6 members of the Weasleys and say they are family. And then have Ginny on the side. Its all or nothing. And its stated somwhere in OOTP he sees the Weasleys as his family.
It is? Where???

I'll give you plenty after July 16th, when Harry and Ginny fancy each other.
Hmmm... if you want my prediction, I think there's a very good chance Harry may fancy Ginny in HBP, but I suspect we won't see Ginny fancying Harry at all. If she does, she'll be hiding it extremely well, and Harry will have no suspicion. :)

Ron expressed clearly that he thought Hermione wasn't attractive enough for anybody besides loser Neville.

Very nasty. very anti R/Hr. :td:
:rotfl:

Ron did nothing else but to tell her that she fulfills the minimum requirements to be either his or Harry's partner:She's female!

Very very nasty. Very anti R/Hr.
:rotfl:

stic, are you at all aware of the conventions of romantic conflict? These are classic! You can call them "nasty" and "anti R/Hr" all you want, but that doesn't make it true. What you're doing is taking the worst possible interpretation -- the one Hermione is supposed to take, not the one the reader is supposed to take. You seem like a smart person, but I can't tell if you're deliberately doing this for ship reasons, or if you're truly unfamiliar with the traditions of romance writing.

Fred feared the "good ones" will be gone,
Ron said he didn't want to end up with a troll which is a dumb, stinking, ugly creature.
Biiiiiiig difference on the chauvinist-o-meter. :eyebrows:
And you really think that if the two comments had been reversed Hermione would have responded like that to Fred and stalked indignantly out of the room? I don't! Besides, JKR wrote it like that for a reason, and it works perfectly. This is the first scene in a long series that make up the R/Hr romance subplot. :clap:

Quote spoiled. And even when you present it to me, I still miss it.....
Being familiar with JKR's quotes does not make one "spoiled." That's as silly as the people who used to criticize me for "quoting canon too much." More information about JKR's style, personality, preferences, modes of speaking, and intentions is GOOD. It helps, not hurts, one's understanding of the books. Or, speaking only for myself, it has always helped me make accurate predictions about forthcoming canon.

And, yeah, you still miss it. But that's okay. More clues are coming in 196 days. :tu:

[Deevo]

Welp, first things first. Let's cover some old ground.

Maybe she wasn't sure and had to think things trough. You know how Hermione loves to analyze things. And she, unlike Ron, came to the (right) conclusion: Harry did not put his name in the GoF.
I think Ron came to the same conclusion too, sooner than was apparent in the book. As Hermione said though, it's not always easy for Ron to admit this, living in so many shadows as he does.

Well, Ron is used to Harry getting the limelight. Which is another reason why I don't think Harry will get Hermione... he gets everything else.
You're not the first person that has put forward that opinion and I agree. Why would Harry 'get' Hermione when he's so consistently shown he doesn't have that kind of interest in her.

JKR has a plan, and who better for Harry to fall in love with? People say he needs Hermione to be there for him, and I must disagree. Hermione is his mentor, his guidence conselor almost. He needs someone to have fun with. And he doesn't have fun with Hermione, unless Ron's there. The only two people he shares amused looks with are: Ron and Ginny.

Interesting?
Actually that's a good point, Ginny was almost absent from POA but those small scenes that did include her seemed significant for her connection with Harry.

Page 57 - Bloomsbury edition:
'Ah, there's Penelope!' said Percy, smoothing his hair and going pink again. Ginny caught Harry's eye and they both turned away to hide their laughter as Percy strode over to the girl with the long, curly hair, walking with his chest thrown out so that she couldn't miss his shiny badge.

Page 67 - Bloomsbury edition: (Aftermath of the Dementor's appearance on the train)
Ginny, who was huddled in her corner looking nearly as bad as Harry felt, gave a small sob; Hermione went over and put a comforting arm around her.

IMO the first scene shows that they find humour in similar situations and the second shows their Riddle connection. Small parts, true, but present nonetheless.

Because Hermione is Harry's conscious. And you don't date your conscious. You date your girlfriend. I don't date my boyfriend for his moral lessons he teaches me. I date him because he's fun to be around, and he helps me through hard times, and lets me have fun with him. Harry doesn't need someone making him do his homework. Not right now. He needs a companion he can have fun with. Not a guidence counselor.
And I think the same argument applies to Luna, maybe to a slightly lesser extent.

He certainly could. He most likely will, IMO. Because of what little we know, she (Ginny) is an awesome character. :tu:
That and Bonnie is a serious cutie. :p

Before Ginny can get romantically involved with Harry there would have to be a resolution of the fact she's dating Dean. Why would JK put that in at the end of the book if she is setting things up so that Harry and Ginny will date? That seems contrary to the purpose some of you see in Ginny's OoTP blossoming.
Must have missed that, I thought that Ginny was a 'free agent' at the end of OOTP and only mentioned Dean to deflect Ron.

So any of you R/H peoples, i cant read back through all this stuff not enought time left in my break from school, so here is my question. What would JKR accomplish in a R/H ship?
What, apart from telling a story? Well personally I think such a relationship would strengthen the trio. Were Harry and Hermione to 'get together' it would very much leave Ron on the outer. This way both remain Harry's friends and their personal attatchment would make them more effective as Harry's backups.

I was replying to a post that JKR loves them all the same. She does not. Harry is her favorite. As she said She choose to write about Harry not Ron. Not Hermione. Not Dumbledore. Not Snape. Its Harry story.

And if you dont like that. Well what can i say.
She also says that they are stronger together. If Ron gets shunted to the side (which, if H/Hr happens, he probably would) then how will they be stronger? It would put Harry in a weaker position (without the strategic thinker) and possible damage his ability to fight Voldemort. Harry is the lead character, but he needs support. That is why Ron and Hermione (and Neville etc. etc.) are there.
:agree: Exactly, IMO a Harry Hermione relationship would significantly weaken the trio while a Ron Hermione pairing wouldn't.

Not if he works as a professional chess player they make bundels the good ones any way
( Kassparof got 10,000,000 $ to play against acomputer) :rotfl:
Yea, but we all know Muggle artifacts like computers don't work in the magic world. :p

Did you read the end of OOTP. Dumbledore admitted he was WRONG. So yes in year 7 i see him being headboy just like his Father James.
Yes he admitted he was wrong. Wrong in not being fully honest and frank with Harry from the beginning. That had nothing to do with his decision not to appoint Harry a Prefect. That decision and the reasons behind it are even more applicable at the end of OOTP than they were at the beginning.

We do know that Ginny will take on a more central role in book 6.

We do know that Ginny is a forceful character.

We do know the Ginny haters will be sorely disappointed. :rotfl:
:tu: Hehe, all too true.

Not a Ginny hater. Im a film Ginny hater.
That's a bit harsh seeing as she was barely in the films. Even in COS when her role was central she only had a few scenes.

I like her in the books. She is funny and strong.
Oh she's certainly that.

I had no clue that Ginny would make the team. Again its not a given.
Well for starters she's already on the team and though it's likely that Harry will return as seeker (and possibly captain) there'll be a chaser opening with Angelina having left. Yes it's not a given but it's as close to a dead certainty as makes no difference. Or do you think it's more likely than some previously unknown Gryffindor will pop up because at the previous tryouts the standards seemed to be a bit average.

OK Harry thinks of the Weasleys as his Family. So is Ginny not a Weasley. You dont normally date somebody who is like a sister to you.

It is frowned upon.
Now you're reaching. Yes Harry sees the Weasleys as his defacto family in the wizarding world but that doesn't mean they literally are.

*sigh* and think of all the pretty red headed children.
Bushy red haired children on one side and redheads who's hair won't lie flat on the other. :p

Don't blame the death of my beloved on Ginny, that was HArry's fault for not attending occulamency, snape's for not forcing him to do so, and Dumbly's for not being straight with him from the begining. See I have it all figures out.
Actually that all makes a good deal of sense, provided you meant to say Don't blame the death on my beloved Ginny. :)

But seriously, a good point.

Well, yes, Hermione was the one who brought him downstairs, but it was mainly, MAINLY, what Ginny said to him that made him feel better. If you re-read that scene, Ron and Hermione are kinda just watching it all, not saying much of anything.
It was a combined effort of the three of them.

He also didn't want to take Ginny with him because he thought her too young. That's bad for Chocolate.
Or alternatively he wanted to prevent her from being hurt. He was, however wrongly, under the impression he was flying off to face Voldemort and remember he didn't want anyone to come with him originally but he got talked into it.

I think a Weasley will die. But i dont know which one. And if it is Ginny then there is not much we can do. HBP is done.
I don't see it as being likely in HBP but it's possible. I doubt if it'll be Ron or Ginny, they'll probably figure in the story up till the end. Percy would be a bit cliche, the twins are needed to maintain comic relief and are outside of the firing line anyway, Arthur has already had his big scare. No if a Weasley were to die in HBP I think it'll either be Bill or Charlie.

Hermione is way brighter than Ron. Nobody can denie that fact. So they aint equl. That makes no sense.

Now im not saying Hermione is a better person. All im saying in school Hermione excels.

Then we look at what Harry has done in his life.

Ron lags behind them. Now as people i wont say anything. But in work they aint equl. And never will be.
Nobody is equal, everyone brings their own unique qualities into the mix. Ron and Hermione both have significant roles to play for Harry, very different ones but neither is less significant because of that. As for Ron lagging behind them well that's not really a statement that's easy to verify. If you mean that Ron has gained less attention than Harry or Hermione then that would be a fairer comment to make. In fact despite the loathing of schoolwork and the aid that Hermione gives him it's not specifically stated that Ron or Harry are particularly bad students and they seem to be on a fairly even footing with regard to their respective schoolwork anyway. In fact it seems that amongst the Gryffindor boys in their year they are probably the two with the best results.

Woah! Why are we so anti-Ginny!? We dont know what Ginny did in the DOM because she was with the others..obviously she had to fight the death eaters or she would have been out cold much before Harry met up with them again.
She couldn't have done too badly, her injuries were pretty minor compared to Ron and Hermione. Then again that could be down to the DEs concentrating on those closest to Harry.

Ginny may have been weak to Voldemort once but shes much older now, and we do have reason to belive shes a pretty good witch. He'll tell Ginny..she'll know. Maybe he'll tell Ron and Hermione first. In my opinion that means nothing because It really depends on what point in the book he tells them about the prophecy. JK did say it needs to sink in to Harry before he tells his friends. By the time he's ready to tell Ginny and Harry might already be much closer.
Ginny was weak to Tom Riddle for a couple of reasons. First she was only eleven at the time and second, and more importantly, she was vulnerable to the diary because of her crush on Harry. So in some way Harry's prescence was a catalyst to the events of COS.

Yes, I do often wonder what happens when Harry isn't around... ;)
Thats what we'd all like to know :D
Yes, it would certainly answer a few questions and migt put pay to some rather far fetched theorys too. :eyebrows:

Anyway I've finally caught up with the posts so I'll just chuck a comment or two of my own to wrap it up.

Apologies to those who ship Harry and Hermione in advance here but the more posts I read supporting it the less convinced I am that it'll work, at least in the way some of you think it will. It could still come to pass, I'm not denying that, but for it to be convincing it'll have to be cleverly written but we already know Jo is capable of that. Also there seems to be a tendency among some to attack those that stand in the way of your ship. Is this really necessary?

Anyway I've already spent too long here so I'm going to hop off for a while.

Be seeing yas.

[Claudia]

I'm still trying to figure out why JKR has Ginny appear so incapacitated in the DoM (before she is actually Stunned) despite her impassioned argument for inclusion in the rescue mission beforehand. And I'm thinking that perhaps this is supposed to give us an insight into what makes Ginny tick. Let's consider motivation for going to the DoM in the first place:

Harry: to save Sirius, 'nuff said.
Ron and Hermione: Harry is going, they love Harry, and where he goes, they go.
Neville: He has motivation a-plenty to want to stop Voldemort and the Death Eaters, so I see no reason to doubt his own claim about why he wants to go.
Luna: Less clear. She agrees with Neville in that she "wants to help," but we don't yet know why she would be willing to put her life on the line for a mission she really doesn't understand.

Which brings us to Ginny. She says that she cares about Sirius as much as Ron does (implying that that she deserves to go as much as Ron). She does have a personal motivation to fight against Voldemort, but that doesn't appear to be what's driving her here, because Neville makes the point of fighting Voldemort after she speaks. From the way she argues her case, it sounds to me as though what Ginny really wants is to prove herself--but to whom? Possibilities are: 1) to herself--to prove that she is a much stronger person than the girl who got taken over by Tom Riddle during her first year; 2) to Ron--to make him stop treating her like his baby sister; 3) to Harry--both to make him recognize that she is a stronger person than he knows and to make him stop treating her like Ron's baby sister. And I guess a follow-up question could be: does she succeed?

[clkginny]

Well, sure. But if she dated Dean for a while and then they broke up and then she dated Harry it would be no big deal, IMO. (though it would unneccesarily take up time) What I'm saying I guess, is that I don't have a problem with her dating Dean.
I don't have a problem with her dating anyone. I guess what I was trying to say is I don't want her character to be percieved that way. I don't think that is where JK is going with her, but I also believe that she is strong enough to deserve a strong character, and we don't "know" that Dean is a strong character. She needs to be with Neville or Harry IMO because they are more central (well, Neville somewhat, but moreso than Dean) and that is where she IMO needs to be. So I don't want her to jump from one to another.

[DragonChamber7]

Not a Ginny hater. Im a film Ginny hater.

She doesnt have much of a role in the movies, how can you base your opinion on a few lines...?

That's a bit harsh seeing as she was barely in the films. Even in COS when her role was central she only had a few scenes.

I agree...though maybe Bonnie Wright (Ginny) will...*in later movies* evolve into more of an important character as Ginny is in the upcomming books.

[clkginny]

I'm still trying to figure out why JKR has Ginny appear so incapacitated in the DoM (before she is actually Stunned) despite her impassioned argument for inclusion in the rescue mission beforehand. And I'm thinking that perhaps this is supposed to give us an insight into what makes Ginny tick. Let's consider motivation for going to the DoM in the first place:

Harry: to save Sirius, 'nuff said.
Ron and Hermione: Harry is going, they love Harry, and where he goes, they go.
Neville: He has motivation a-plenty to want to stop Voldemort and the Death Eaters, so I see no reason to doubt his own claim about why he wants to go.
Luna: Less clear. She agrees with Neville in that she "wants to help," but we don't yet know why she would be willing to put her life on the line for a mission she really doesn't understand.

Which brings us to Ginny. She says that she cares about Sirius as much as Ron does (implying that that she deserves to go as much as Ron). She does have a personal motivation to fight against Voldemort, but that doesn't appear to be what's driving her here, because Neville makes the point of fighting Voldemort after she speaks. From the way she argues her case, it sounds to me as though what Ginny really wants is to prove herself--but to whom? Possibilities are: 1) to herself--to prove that she is a much stronger person than the girl who got taken over by Tom Riddle during her first year; 2) to Ron--to make him stop treating her like his baby sister; 3) to Harry--both to make him recognize that she is a stronger person than he knows and to make him stop treating her like Ron's baby sister. And I guess a follow-up question could be: does she succeed?
Perhaps a simpler reason? She is a Gryffindor and her brother and friends are going. I'm not sure that she analyzed why she was going. But sometimes we do things for our friends that are to our own detriment. Or for the one we love, depending on your ship. :eyebrows:
I think she succeeded. After all, she went and even if she was hurt, she didn't make a big deal out of it, I don't think. I hope that she at least got them to treat her as an equal.

Edit: BTW-What effect do you see from Ginny owing Harry a life debt?

[Claudia]

Perhaps a simpler reason? She is a Gryffindor and her brother and friends are going. I'm not sure that she analyzed why she was going.Totally valid reason. And I'm sure that Ginny did not waste time trying to figure out why she wanted to go--that privilege is reserved for sad little obsessed people like myself ;).

I don't think I'm expressing the reason that I am so interested in the DoM outcome very well--it's the way that JKR chose to knock Ginny out of commission that has caught my eye. To me, the broken ankle seems like a deliberate reference back to the Shrieking Shack scene in PoA, and in comparison to that, Ginny seems to come up a little short. Here's another snippet I can add:
OotP, Ch.35 (Beyond the Veil)
'Diffindo!' yelled Harry, trying to sever the feelers wrapping themselves tightly around Ron before his eyes, but they would not break. Ron fell over, still thrashing against his bonds.
'Harry, it'll suffocate him!' screamed Ginny, immobilised by her broken ankle on the floor - then a jet of red light flew from one of the Death Eater's wands and hit her squarely in the face. She keeled over sideways and lay there unconscious.
Ginny should not be completely helpless here--she has her wand, she (unlike Neville at this point) can still articulate spells. Granted, I don't have the foggiest idea what she could have done, but something about this scene just nags at me...

Edit: BTW-What effect do you see from Ginny owing Harry a life debt?I could be totally wrong about this, but I have the impression that this whole life debt thing is more significant when the debtor is someone who definitely would not want to be in that position.

[MPPMarauderGirl]

Just because we didn't see Ginny and Luna in the DOM doesn't mean they didn't do anything. We didn't see them fight so those assessments are dumb.

I'm interested in why people think Ginny was brought into the books. If we already have the female lead, Harry's best friend, Hermione, who is the closest and forever will remain that way, than why do they bring Ginny in?

If Harry has Ron to play Quidditch with, and to have a good time with, than why do they bring Ginny in?

T'is the question I'd love to hear answered (particularly from Harmonies).

[phantomwitch]

Bushy red haired children on one side and redheads who's hair won't lie flat on the other.

Sorry to barge in on your perfect world, but the pigments causing brown and black hair are dominant in heredity. So, you might just have childrem with lovely raven and cinnimon toned straight hair, according to your plans.

[Tzigone]

Maybe so. But in my family quite a lot of the kids with only one red-headed parent have red hair. Two of my first cousins have red hair and their mother is brunette and their father is kind of a sandy blond (course both of his brothers have red hair). Whereas my sister and I have blonde hair though our dad is a red-head and our mother has dark brown hair.

Genetics is weird, almost anything can happen because most things seem to take a combination of genes and are complicated..

[Polychrome]

But then there is this: Hermione does appear to enjoy chess. Or perhaps she just likes the challenge of trying to beat Ron

I think we have a winner.

[phantomwitch]

Maybe so. But in my family quite a lot of the kids with only one red-headed parent have red hair. Two of my first cousins have red hair and their mother is brunette and their father is kind of a sandy blond (course both of his brothers have red hair). Whereas my sister and I have blonde hair though our dad is a red-head and our mother has dark brown hair.

Genetics is weird, almost anything can happen because most things seem to take a combination of genes and are complicated..

If I replied it would get us all off topic... ;)

[Archidemes]

I'm really sure that it'll be Ron and Hermione. It's really obvious...

[snoopy_bombay]

Just because we didn't see Ginny and Luna in the DOM doesn't mean they didn't do anything. We didn't see them fight so those assessments are dumb.

I'm interested in why people think Ginny was brought into the books. If we already have the female lead, Harry's best friend, Hermione, who is the closest and forever will remain that way, than why do they bring Ginny in?

If Harry has Ron to play Quidditch with, and to have a good time with, than why do they bring Ginny in?

T'is the question I'd love to hear answered (particularly from Harmonies).

jkr hasn't just brought ginny in.She's brought luna in as well.And i think both of them just serve one purpose,to give harry some times to cherish outside the trio.And hasn't jkr brought neville in even when we have the perfect sidekick in ron?What do you have to say about that?

[phantomwitch]

New to the thread, Archimedes? If so, your ship is Heron. They'll all welcome you aboard over at that dock to the left. See it? Its the one with the big banner with the redhead, the brunette, and all the red-haired children.

[Angua9]

I'm not arguing that Ginny was any great shakes at the DoM, but I don't agree with this:
Ginny should not be completely helpless here--she has her wand, she (unlike Neville at this point) can still articulate spells.
Can you imagine aiming a spell from across the room that would somehow hit the tendrils and miss the arm or head they were winding around? I can't. And Harry's Diffindo spell, from up close, had no effect at all. I think the brain needed to be fought physically.

Of course, Ginny might have made herself useful against the Death Eaters at that point, but she appears to have been, like Harry, completely distracted by Ron's mishap. Ah well, she had her moment of Bat-Bogey glory against Malfoy. :p And I think she looks very fetching with her broken ankle. :lol:

Has anyone else noticed that Ginny is frequently described as sitting on the floor, by the way? :huh:

"Why are they all sending Howlers?" asked Ginny, who was mending her copy of One Thousand Magical Herbs and Fungi with Spellotape on the rug in front of the living room fire.

Ginny who had lured Crookshanks out from under the dresser, was sitting cross-legged on the floor, rolling Butterbeer corks for him to chase.

Ginny was kneeling amid a pile of abandoned Butterbeer corks, watching the conversation with her mouth slightly open.

But Ginny shook her head and slid down the wall into a sitting position, panting and holding her ankle.

'Harry, it'll suffocate him!' screamed Ginny, immobilised by her broken ankle on the floor


I'm sure this is profoundly important and symbolic! :p


And when she's not sitting on the floor, she's curled up on something:

Ginny was curled like a cat on her chair, but her eyes were open; Harry could see them reflecting the firelight.

Ginny, whose ankle had been mended in a trice by Madam Pomfrey, was curled up at the foot of Hermione's bed.

Ah well.

The girlfriend is supposed to walk next to him and hold his hand.
In a story, the function of the love interest is to cause problems and challenges for the hero. So get out there and cause trouble, Ginny!


Oh, and HAPPY NEW YEAR, EVERYONE!!! :clap: Here's to ships coming in!

[Tzigone]

Happy New Year!

It's 12:08 here.

[snoopy_bombay]

Happy New Year!

It's 12:08 here.
Where do you live?It's 12pm here

[Tzigone]

Alabama. According to the clock on my computer it is 12:13 AM January 1, 2005.


the time on my post here is listed at 12:13 AM, as well. As I understand it just syncs up with a timezone and not my computer, right?

[snoopy_bombay]

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!i forgot about that cos all the wishing here has stopped as it's nearing noon.

[Melcb98]

Ron is the thing Harry would (and does!) sorely miss.
Ron is Harry's first and best friend.
Ron is the person whose name appears in the books second most often to Harry's own.
Ron is the person Harry is so upset to be without he can't even learn a simple Summoning Charm.
Ron is one of the two people whose faces allow Harry to cast a Patronus in the beginning of Book 5, and the one person Harry proposes to go alone to the DoM with.
Ron is the person with whom Harry longs to spend Christmas.
Ron is the person Harry misses on the train.
Ron is the person Harry looks forward to playing Quidditch with to console himself through the awful OWL exams.
Ron is the person who talks alone with Harry in OotP almost twice as often as Hermione does.
Ron is the person whom Harry lists first almost every time he thinks of his two friends.
Ron is the person JKR lists first after Harry almost every time she talks about her characters.
Ron is the person who appeared to JKR on the train ride on the same day she thought of Harry, along with Hagrid, Peeves, and Nearly-Headless Nick.
Ron is the person Harry can tell his exam scores to, the person he trusts not to tell his dreams to Hermione, the person he exchanges secret looks with when Hermione does mad things, and the person who knows that he's really not ready to ask out Cho.
Ron is the person Harry chooses his course schedule by, and the person who first articulates their (shared) goal of being an Auror.
Don't hold your breath waiting for that person to be phased out of the books!

Yeah, really. Ron is very important to Harry. And, I don't think there is anyway, anyone, should ever say that Ron isn't good enough to be with Hermione, not in her league, or not important to the story or Harry. I think that is one fundamental difference in the interpretation of these books that seperate Herons and Harmonians.

[phantomwitch]

Yeah, really. Ron is very important to Harry. And, I don't think there is anyway, anyone, should ever say that Ron isn't good enough to be with Hermione, not in her league, or not important to the story or Harry. I think that is one fundamental difference in the interpretation of these books that seperate Herons and Harmonians.


Excuse you? I believe Ron is a very significant character to everything, and that he is on equal footing with Hermione. However, I am a Harmonian and I think Harry and Hermione just have more there to work with. Do you want to see Ron and Hermione become a playful couple that banters for all their pagespace? I would find that rather dull... Or would you rather that they play chess all the time? I really don't see what would happen after they resolve their bickering... I see Harry and Hermione working with each other for different things, and just all around spending a lot of time together doing things. I don't really see that happening with Ron and Hermione. It might just be me, I don't know. Just IMO...

[Polychrome]

Excuse you? I believe Ron is a very significant character to everything, and that he is on equal footing with Hermione. However, I am a Harmonian and I think Harry and Hermione just have more there to work with.

Okay, so Hermione's a human book. Does she make Harry laugh? Does she give him emotional support? Or is she full of advice that may be inappropriate for the situation?

I've said this millions of times, Hermione is very tactless in her dealing with Harry. She has a nasty habit of nagging him, which, SPECIFICALLY, in the case of HARRY, drives him away instead of helping him. She may be smart, but that doesn't make her a love interest.

Do you want to see Ron and Hermione become a playful couple that banters for all their pagespace? I would find that rather dull...

That is just the problem. Hermione/Ron is not determined by quantity, but quality. I find it interesting that these people who supposedly spend all their time arguing and fighting seem to spend a lot of time together... WITHOUT Harry.

Or would you rather that they play chess all the time?

Even better. Harry and Hermione can spend all their lives studying. Ouch.

Really, what would they DO? Since when do Harry and Hermione just "hang out"? In Goblet of Fire, true, but it resulted in a lot of studying and a lot less fun, if I remember right...

I really don't see what would happen after they resolve their bickering...

The problem is that they do more than bicker as it is. Harmonies don't see that there's already more between them. In Order of the Phoenix, and even Goblet of Fire, there's an interesting dynamic between them. They're not just fighting, but genuinely listening to each other's suggestions. Heck, if anything, Harry's the instigator in Order of the Phoenix. I guess he ain't good enough for Hermione.

I see Harry and Hermione working with each other for different things, and just all around spending a lot of time together doing things. I don't really see that happening with Ron and Hermione. It might just be me, I don't know. Just IMO...

It's just you... and every Harmony out there. :p

Honestly, if Goblet of Fire is any indicator, I can't even see Harry and Hermione playing board games at Starbucks, much less truely just sit and enjoy each other's presence.

Happy New Year Mountain Time Zone.

[phantomwitch]

Okay, so Hermione's a human book. Does she make Harry laugh? Does she give him emotional support? Or is she full of advice that may be inappropriate for the situation?

Yes, she does give him emotional support. She gives advice that is pertinent to his never-ending problems.


I've said this millions of times, Hermione is very tactless in her dealing with Harry. She has a nasty habit of nagging him, which, SPECIFICALLY, in the case of HARRY, drives him away instead of helping him. She may be smart, but that doesn't make her a love interest.

And as I have had to say many times over, Hermione DOESN'T NAG! Hermione gives good, NECESSARY advice. Nagging is when the advice ISN'T NECESSARY. Harry running from his less life-threatening responsibilities has been an ongoing theme throught the books. Her smarts aren't what makes her a good love interest.


That is just the problem. Hermione/Ron is not determined by quantity, but quality. I find it interesting that these people who supposedly spend all their time arguing and fighting seem to spend a lot of time together... WITHOUT Harry.
Seeing as you love using GOF for evidence so much, you do realize there is only ONE time in the Goblet of Fire where we are told that Hermione and Ron spend a significant amount of time together alone, the first trip to Hogsmeade.



Even better. Harry and Hermione can spend all their lives studying. Ouch.

Really, what would they DO? Since when do Harry and Hermione just "hang out"? In Goblet of Fire, true, but it resulted in a lot of studying and a lot less fun, if I remember right...

Hermione is not just the boring old girl we all saw in GOF. She likes going to Hogsmeade as much as the next girl, and she enjoys watching HARRY :evil: play Quidditch... :eyebrows:



The problem is that they do more than bicker as it is. Harmonies don't see that there's already more between them. In Order of the Phoenix, and even Goblet of Fire, there's an interesting dynamic between them. They're not just fighting, but genuinely listening to each other's suggestions. Heck, if anything, Harry's the instigator in Order of the Phoenix. I guess he ain't good enough for Hermione.

Just like Herons don't see a deepening bond between Harry and Hermione. When did Hermione change her views to suit Ron? If she doesn't do anything about Ron's suggestions, how do you know she's listening? Also, please note that I said Ron was good enough for Hermione, so if you're implying that Harry isn't good enough for Hermione because they argue, then you're missing your mark.



It's just you... and every Harmony out there. :p

Honestly, if Goblet of Fire is any indicator, I can't even see Harry and Hermione playing board games at Starbucks, much less truely just sit and enjoy each other's presence.

If GOF is any indicator, then Ron will always be an insecure, jealous person. Come on, people grow up and change. Jo said that Hermione would lighten up loads by the end of the books. I can see them sitting in the Three Broomsticks, chatting away.

[Baroness]

Nag means:

To annoy by constant scolding, complaining, or urging.
To torment persistently, as with anxiety or pain.

v. intr.
To scold, complain, or find fault constantly: nagging at the children.
To be a constant source of anxiety or annoyance: The half-remembered quotation nagged at my mind.

(from Dictionary.com)

Doesn't have to be necessary or unnecessary. Just has to be persistant. And Hermione sure is persistant if anything.

[snoopy_bombay]

good going phantomwitch.Keep arguing for harmony

[jenniferm]

Angua

I remember a discussion that we had a few threads ago. I asked you to come up with a classic novel in which the main character has a potential love interest established as his or her voice of reason/conscience, but the main character ends up with a different character. You were unable to do so. The books we were left with were Tom Sawyer and Amelia Bedelia. You stated that Tom's cousin Mary was his voice of reason, yet Tom's love interest was Becky Thatcher. This assertion is plainly false if you have read Tom Sawyer. Mary is much older than eleven year old Tom. Look at this passage: "Mary got out a suit of his clothing that had been used only on Sundays.." and "she (Mary) buttoned his neat roundabout up to his chin". Mary bathes and dresses Tom and even calls him her brother. So, she is not a potential love interest for Tom. I should hope not! The other example, Amelia Bedelia, is simply not credible. Amelia Bedelia is an I Can Read Book for kindergarteners that does not contain any serious romance. Why would an author waste their time establishing a character of the opposite sex as the main character's voice of reason/conscience and have the main character end up with someone else? They would not. Austen established Knightley as Emma's voice of reason/conscience. Tolstoy established Pierre as Natasha's voice of reason. Dicken's established Agnes as David's voice of reason. Yes, they all eventally were the final pairing at the end of the book. An author does not waste space establishing this bond, just to have the main character end up with someone who does not influence him or her. This is why the above three novels are classics.

Whoa there, partner! I can't speak for David Copperfield or War and Peace, but this claim is dead wrong when it comes to Emma. The biggest, hugest clue to eventual Emma/Knightley is the strong, irrational jealousy that they both feel over the other's possible love interests--Frank Churchill for Mr. Knightley and Jane Fairfax for Emma. And the UST is definitely there as well, as has been pointed out by countless literary critics. Just look at the ball scene for goodness sake!

I have read many critical reviews of Emma and I have never seen anything written about their UST. I have read many critical reviews citing Knightley as Emma's reason/conscience. But, to be fair Knightley does state at the end of the book that he was jealous of Frank Churchill. But, Austen does not write Knightley having the exact same jealous reaction to one of his sister's love interests. Yes, I know Knightley does not have a sister. But one has to ask oneself why JKR spent page space on Ron having the exact same reaction to HR/Krum and Ginny/Dean. I have to disagree with Emma being jealous of Jane because of Knightley. The critical reviews that I have read stated that Emma was jealous of Jane for other reasons. Jane is everything that Emma is not. She is an accomplished pianist and Emma never practices etc. As Knightley states, " I have done expecting any sort of steady reading from Emma. She will never submit to anything requiring industry and patience". As Emma begins to change her ways toward the end of the novel she begins to appreciate Jane more and Frank Churchill less. The slight jealousy on Mr. Knightley's part is frankly not important to the story, but his role as the voice of reason for Emma is. David C. and War and Peace have absolutely no arguing, UST, or jealousy.

Sure. How about the Lymond Chronicles? Little Phillipa needed to grow up (just like Ginny)! There is a similar one, the Julian Kestrel mysteries by Kate Ross, but unfortunately the author died before the girl could grow up and marry the hero. Then there is Eight Cousins/ Rose in Bloom, where Mac is Rose's least regarded and least well known cousin. And the Dragonsinger series, where the hero ends up with a minor character Schell, who was there all along.

First of all, I have never heard of any of these novels. They certainly are not in the classics section of the local bookstore. If the author threw the main character with a minor character as H/G with zero bond or buildup; I can see why they would not be classics. Anyway, I am extremely sceptical of the examples you give. You gave me an example of approx. 10 book that were supposed to illustrate the main character ending up with another character instead of his/her voice of reason. I happen to have read all ten books which were classics except Amelia Bedelia and I proved each of your examples wrong.

First, ummm...how about having them read the Yule Ball scene? How about having them read the scene where Hermione drags Ron off to the library so Harry can ask Cho for a date? Or the scene where Hermione's frostiness melts when she looks at Ron?
What would they think then?

I think if you had someone read the Yule Ball scene; they would believe R/Hr. This is what makes it an extremely effective red herring. After a quick, superficial reading of GOF, I thought it would be R/HR. I changed my mind after a more careful re- reading of the series. But, I have yet to see an intelligent rebuttal to "What Krum Saw". The only logical conclusion you can draw from Hawk's essay is that JKR purposefully wrote a brilliant puzzle that gives the reader the answer to who Hermione loves which becomes much more obvious in OOTP. This is why JKR answered "The answer is in GOF" to the question of "Does Hermione love Ron?" Notice she does not state that the answer is obvious. The "What Krum Saw" puzzle that shows Hermione's feelings is not obvious. After OOTP, JKR then states that it should be obvious who Hermione loves. OOTP contained the most obvious clues to Hermione loving Harry--It changed my mind. I also believe that if you asked any Heronian which book worried them the most OOTP or GOF; they would all answer OOTP.

Secondly, I solemnly assure you that many (most?) people reading the prefect badge scene or the post kiss scene would see them as indications of future R/Hr? So, no I can't trust you on that one. Can you trust me?

I actually tried this experiment because I thought H/Hr were obvious to me after OOTP and I was frankly dumbfounded that some would use the prefect scene and post kiss scene as evidence for R/HR. Sometimes it is better to get an uninterested person's opinion when shipper's reasoning can become clouded. Yes, everyone I asked answered Harry and stated that it seemed obvious to them. I don't want you to believe me but to ask a disinterested person yourself so you will not get a biased perspective. And, yes I am confident that they will all answer Harry.

Excuse me? H/G is sexist now?

I do think H/G would be extremely soap operaish. Ginny hero worships Harry the hero for four books. Harry ignores her and at times treats her terribly. Ginny then states she is over Harry and dates two other boys. Harry still could care less. Harry then decides he loves Ginny even though he does not even know her well. Ginny changes her mind once Harry decides to pay attention to her. Ridiculous!

Ummm, he did specifically protect her, remember? And he does think about her sometimes (God, I despise those hyperbolic "nevers"!) And--yes--he has been impressed and shown admiration for her.

Actually it was not specifically Harry that protected Ginny. "Harry felt the others close in around Ginny" Then, Harry stepped in front of her with the others. Of course it is forgotten that minutes later Harry forgets about Ginny and grabs Hr's robes. JKR wrote this purposefully and it was not to illustrate how Hermione freezes in life threatening situations. Lets entertain the ridiculous notion that Hermione freezing was Harry's motivation for grabbing Hr. Why would JKR write Hermione minutes later not freezing in a life threatening situation during the fighting with the Deatheaters? She was able to get Harry's wand back and to use the silencio spell. It does not stand up to logic.

I don't remember Harry showing respect and admiration for Ginny. The only time I can remember Harry thinking of Ginny was somewhat critical. He thought he could have caught the snitch faster. JKR has written Harry having respect and admiration for Hermione. There are more examples of this than H/G. For example: 1. Harry stating he is not as good of a wizard as Hermione. 2. In Cos, Harry feeling proud that Malfoy was angry that Hermione beat him in all of the exams. 3. Harry felt admiration for how Hermione was handling the Rita articles. 4. JKR specifically writing that Harry felt pride in Hermione's jinxing abilties. 5. Harry stating to Cho that Hermiones jinx was brilliant
If JKR was not writing H/Hr, all of this would be overkill. Why focus on the main characters admiration of his best friend and not his love interest? Can you come up with five instances where Harry feels admiration and pride in his best friend Ron? Good luck.

You are missing some things, in my opinion. For instance, JKR has chosen to include a surprising number of passages where Harry worries about Ginny's feelings or happiness, more than she has of Harry worrying about Hermione's feelings or happiness.
Why? In OOTP, we actually have more descriptions of Ginny's appearance than we do of Hermiones? Again, why? Harry has had more shared private jokes with Ginny in the book than he has with his best friend Hermione. One wonders why.

I would like to see those passages where he is worried about Ginny's feelings or happiness. I am sure they are taken out of context. I'll give you two (there are more) examples of Harry caring about Hermione's feelings more than Ron. If Harry had not cared about Hermione crying in the bathroom; the troll would have killed her. Even though Harry was mad about the Firebolt; he still went to ask how she was doing and felt worried that she was taking on too much of a caseload. He even told Ron to give her a break.
Who cares if there are more suppossed descriptions of Ginny in OOTP? Why couldn't JKR write Harry and Ginny working as equal partners in at least one adventure in five books instead of it always being Harry and Hermione. You just illustrated my point. Harry does not know Ginny. The only way H/G could be written is if Harry fell for her pretty descriptions.

Harry and Hermione share private jokes. They joke about Norbert and they share a private joke about the coins that Hermione makes for the DA.

I think you are making unecessary and arbitrary limitations on what romance patterns you consider acceptable. Do you find Louisa May Alcott's Jo/Professor Bhaer
and Rose/Mac pairings superficial and unbelievable? Did you think it sucked in The Philadelphia Story when Cary Grant waltzed in and scooped up the Katherine Hepburn character at the end, after spending most of the movies on her interactions with Jimmy Stewart?

In Little Women the character Laurie lessoned in importance after the Professor was introduced. Harry Potter is not following this pattern. The series is more than halfway over and in the fifth book JKR increased Hermione's screen time and interactions with Harry. She had Hermione clear Harry's name with the Rita article, come up with the idea of the DA, Grawp adventure, Hermione save Harry from the CC and get rid of Umbridge, and have H and Hr fight alongside each other in the DOM.
What specific Harry and Ginny interactions did we get? A scene where Ginny gives Harry a chocolate egg from her mother. It does not compare does it?
The Philadelphia Story is not a good example. Cary Grant's character was introduced at the beginning and was an important character. Time is spent at the beginning regarding Hepburn's and Grant's love life and marriage and their previous problems. This is not comparable to Ginny's insignificance as a character in the first four books.

For me, a good romance is a good romance, no matter when the "bond" forms.

I will have to disagree with you here. It is not a good romance when an author places a preference on the main character's friend and not the love interest and increases this preference in the fifth of seven books in a series. Why could JKR not write a scene like this where Harry remembers a memory of Ginny: "Three rows to his right and four seats ahead, Hermione was already scribbling....He lowered his eyes to the first question: a) Give the incantation , and b) describe the wand movement required to make objects fly... Harry had a fleeting memory of a club soaring high into the air and landing loudly on the thick skull of a troll.... smilling slightly, he bent over the paper and began to write." Compare this to JKR's decision to write Harry forgetting about Ginny being possessed. Harry does not remember because Ginny is as important to him as Fleur's little sister. Why would JKR spend time writing a passage where Harry looks at Hermione, smiles, and remembers the incident where she first became his friend. Couldn't JKR have written Harry glancing at Hermione and Ron. Of course.
So, JKR is purposefully writing Harry remembering an incident that happened five years ago with his best friend and forgetting a more recent occurence with his intended love interest Ginny. Does not sound logical to me!

Jennifer M.

[snoopy_bombay]

Yeah, really. Ron is very important to Harry. And, I don't think there is anyway, anyone, should ever say that Ron isn't good enough to be with Hermione, not in her league, or not important to the story or Harry. I think that is one fundamental difference in the interpretation of these books that seperate Herons and Harmonians.
Ron is important to the story and harry, no one disagrees with that.The only thing we want to say is that on the achievement front ron is laging behind.Hermione is the cleverest witch in her year whereas harry has really done a lot so far.Compared to them ron,hasn't quite done anything to distinguish himself.So if r/hr were to happen,wouldn't people of their year think it's a complete mismatch?there will be a massive inferiority complex within ron

[moonlite]

Okay, so Hermione's a human book. Does she make Harry laugh?
Since when being a best friend means that you have to make everyone laugh? Harry does enjoy Hermione's company, because if he didn't, why would he hang around her? Why be her best friend!?
Does she give him emotional support?
Yes, she does. She cares about him and is always there to help him.
Or is she full of advice that may be inappropriate for the situation?
Ok, lets look at a few bits of advice Hermione gave to Harry:
~ teach students DADA because Harry is a great teacher and has experience
~ treat Occlumency seriously and continue lessons with Snape
~ don't go to the MoM
which of these are 'inappropiate'??

[Baroness]

I just have a quick question to throw out to everyone. How many of us have mistaken a deep friendship of our own with something more? I know I have countless times between the ages of 17-21 or so. Now that I'm slightly older, I can read the signs a little better than I did before. Reading about these kids growing up reminds me a lot of those days. It feels like people are being confused as to what is friendship and what is more. No offense to anyone.

[snoopy_bombay]

Since when being a best friend means that you have to make everyone laugh? Harry does enjoy Hermione's company, because if he didn't, why would he hang around her? Why be her best friend!?

Yes, she does. She cares about him and is always there to help him.

Ok, lets look at a few bits of advice Hermione gave to Harry:
~ teach students DADA because Harry is a great teacher and has experience
~ treat Occlumency seriously and continue lessons with Snape
~ don't go to the MoM
which of these are 'inappropiate'??
I agree with you 100%.I don't know why people bother to try to discredit hermione or show her second to ginny.That's never on folks!By the way,do you ship harmony?

[daz]

We have had 5 books of Hermione. And each book she gets a bigger part.

Ron was not in OOTP that much. And Ginny will never take Hermiones place. Thats a joke. As i said last night. Harry has never tryed to talk to Ginny in 4 books. Yet she is meant to be better or more important than Hermione.

[voldemort666]

I agree with you 100% daz. In OotP, we can very easily remove Ron's part and still the story will be very much the same. Anyway, if this trend continues in HBP, I strongly suspect that JKR is signing the death warrant for Ron.

[phantomwitch]

True, Sirius was first left out and then... :sad:

[JessicaH]

Happy New Year everybody! :D
Hope everyone had a wonderful time last night.

I agree with you 100% daz. In OotP, we can very easily remove Ron's part and still the story will be very much the same. Anyway, if this trend continues in HBP, I strongly suspect that JKR is signing the death warrant for Ron.

I hope that you are wrong, but I fear that you are right. I have always thought that the final battle will be connected to a personal tragedy for Harry, and there can't really be a worse tragedy for him, can there?

[phantomwitch]

Alright, since I am still procrastinating about a certain gameboard I should be working on for AP European History class...

The Reasons I Support HMS Harmony (However biased or silly they may be...)

This is in no particular order:

1) Harry has a very large amount of responsibility resting on his shoulders. Hermione helps him to be responsible and keeps him from slacking off too much in school. She is also the voice of reason in his head, keeping him where he should be and doing what he should while she isn't around to say it.

2) Hermione is a very serious, studious girl. She memorizes textbooks, studies for every class, and still manages to know more than her classmates about almost everything. Therefore, Harry influences her to relax a bit. She watches all of his Quidditch matches, and he can sometimes convince her to put of work, if only for a while.

3) Harry and Hermione are very close friends. They may not see it because of their other crushes, but they would be perfect for each other. However, Hermione's continued strong interest in everything Harry does leads me to believe that she may have stronger feelings for him than Harry conciously notices.

4) Hermione finds physical support from Harry, as we can see by her consistant grabbing of Harry's arm throught OotP. She turns to Harry in the books for protection more often than any other character.

5) Despite the duo's protests, at least three people have suspected that Harry and Hermione are a couple. Hermione's date felt threatened enough to go to Harry, and ask him if he had ever kissed Hermione. Harry's girlfriend complained about Harry putting Hermione over herself. Rita Skeeter, without a word from anybody, placed them as a couple for her story(I don't think Draco gave information on that one, but I can't quite remember).

I'm sure I have plenty more, but these were the prominent ones that came to mind.

[OpheliaSometime]

Ok, I've noticed something on this thread that I'd like to point out. Whenever someone tried to discredit or disprove H/G, they always, always, have to thrown in some kind of comparison to Hermione. I'll read "Well, if this happened with Hermione, then why didn't it happen with Ginny?" or some such question. The thing is you cannot compare the two separate relationships on an equal basis. You simply can't. Harry has known Hermione for five whole years and she's been his best friend for that long. He has barely started to get to know Ginny. If someone were discussing the difference between Hermione and Parvati, it would be different because he has known both of them for an equal amount of time. You can't expect Harry to praise Ginny the same amount of times as he has Hermione, or have him worry about Ginny's well being the same exact number of times as he with Hermione because he hasn't spent nearly as much time with Ginny as he has with Hermione. It's apples and oranges.

Many would like to disprove H/G asking "Well how is he all of a sudden going to realize he likes her?" I honestly don't think it's gonna happen very suddenly. I think he's going to get to know her first and begin to care about her more and more as time passes and when he finally starts to think about her in a more-than-friendly way, I think he'll be very confused by it. It's not like I suddenly expect him to yell to the high heavens "I'm in love with Ginny Weasley!" in the first chapter of HBP. It's not gonna happen like that. There will be a build-up. He will see her as she truly is. We've already gotten a taste of it in OotP.

If there's one thing I'd like to ask it's why haven't we gotten a sense of Harry's feelings (if he supposedly has them) for Hermione before? They've been best friends for five years and never has he seen her in a more-than-friendly way. You can't ask the same question with respect to Ginny because he doesn't know her as well as he knows Hermione. But since Hermione is his best friend, and he spends most of his free time with her, why has he not seen her in a romantic way yet? Why hasn't he noticed her yet? If he's known her for so long and it's so destined to happen, why hasn't he ever voiced these feelings?

By the by, it's 2:23 in the morning over here, and I'm slightly (read: very) tipsy, so I'd like to wish everyone a Happy New Year! Be safe!

[phantomwitch]

I bid you all adieu, I must away to my bed to dream. May all ships sail, even if it must be in fanfiction. The sun is rising over the choppy waters of shipdom(its called Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince.) Can you handle the light? :huh:

EDIT: It's 5:18 AM here, I really should head off now. Smooth sailing, my companions.

[JessicaH]

Alright, since I am still procrastinating about a certain gameboard I should be working on for AP European History class...

The Reasons I Support HMS Harmony (However biased or silly they may be...)

This is in no particular order:

1) Harry has a very large amount of responsibility resting on his shoulders. Hermione helps him to be responsible and keeps him from slacking off too much in school. She is also the voice of reason in his head, keeping him where he should be and doing what he should while she isn't around to say it.

2) Hermione is a very serious, studious girl. She memorizes textbooks, studies for every class, and still manages to know more than her classmates about almost everything. Therefore, Harry influences her to relax a bit. She watches all of his Quidditch matches, and he can sometimes convince her to put of work, if only for a while.

3) Harry and Hermione are very close friends. They may not see it because of their other crushes, but they would be perfect for each other. However, Hermione's continued strong interest in everything Harry does leads me to believe that she may have stronger feelings for him than Harry conciously notices.

4) Hermione finds physical support from Harry, as we can see by her consistant grabbing of Harry's arm throught OotP. She turns to Harry in the books for protection more often than any other character.

5) Despite the duo's protests, at least three people have suspected that Harry and Hermione are a couple. Hermione's date felt threatened enough to go to Harry, and ask him if he had ever kissed Hermione. Harry's girlfriend complained about Harry putting Hermione over herself. Rita Skeeter, without a word from anybody, placed them as a couple for her story(I don't think Draco gave information on that one, but I can't quite remember).

I'm sure I have plenty more, but these were the prominent ones that came to mind.

True. And all of your points could also be used for pointing out how good friends they are and that they should stay that way. :)

Many would like to disprove H/G asking "Well how is he all of a sudden going to realize he likes her?" I honestly don't think it's gonna happen very suddenly. I think he's going to get to know her first and begin to care about her more and more as time passes and when he finally starts to think about her in a more-than-friendly way, I think he'll be very confused by it. It's not like I suddenly expect him to yell to the high heavens "I'm in love with Ginny Weasley!" in the first chapter of HBP. It's not gonna happen like that. There will be a build-up. He will see her as she truly is. We've already gotten a taste of it in OotP.

I couldn't agree with you more :tu: Besides I don't think Harry is ready for his true love yet (whoever that will be). He will have to date someone else first, to give him experience and confidence about girls.

[phantomwitch]

True. And all of your points could also be used for pointing out how good friends they are and that they should stay that way. :)


Thus enters several problems:


Things that would have to change for R/Hr

1) Ron would not enjoy Hermione turning to Harry for physical comfort. Would she turn towards Ron, or would she make him feel insecure and turn towards Harry?

2) Either Hermione would have to stop bossing Ron around(I agree with bossy, as Jo said that, I just don't agree with "nagging"), or Ron would have to stop being irritated by Hermione bossing him around.

If anyone thinks of the rest, then I would be much obliged. I want to be up to watch the Rose Bowl Parade, and therefore must get some sort of sleep. G'morning to you all!

[Drusilla]

And anyway, going by what JKR has to say on the matter, I don't think Harry's next romance is going to be a huge, all-encompassing, Romeo-and-Juliet affair. It's more likely to just be good, light-hearted fun with snogging thrown in. And who do we know that could fit that mould?

[JessicaH]

And anyway, going by what JKR has to say on the matter, I don't think Harry's next romance is going to be a huge, all-encompassing, Romeo-and-Juliet affair. It's more likely to just be good, light-hearted fun with snogging thrown in. And who do we know that could fit that mould?

I would say someone in DA (he would know her and could trust her) but not someone we have seen to much of. I have considered Luna, it would make sense because she could help him through his grief after Sirius, but then again she is a little to strange and serious.

[snoopy_bombay]

harry/hermione is inevitable,no matter how much you argue against it

[JessicaH]

Thus enters several problems:


Things that would have to change for R/Hr

1) Ron would not enjoy Hermione turning to Harry for physical comfort. Would she turn towards Ron, or would she make him feel insecure and turn towards Harry?

2) Either Hermione would have to stop bossing Ron around(I agree with bossy, as Jo said that, I just don't agree with "nagging"), or Ron would have to stop being irritated by Hermione bossing him around.

If anyone thinks of the rest, then I would be much obliged. I want to be up to watch the Rose Bowl Parade, and therefore must get some sort of sleep. G'morning to you all!

Ron wouldn't feel insecure if Harry was dating his sister in the same time :eyebrows:

[snoopy_bombay]

And anyway, going by what JKR has to say on the matter, I don't think Harry's next romance is going to be a huge, all-encompassing, Romeo-and-Juliet affair. It's more likely to just be good, light-hearted fun with snogging thrown in. And who do we know that could fit that mould?
Harry's first romance was more of that way.Yes,i agree it will be good-hearted,fun,etc. but it will have to be a mature person to avoid a cho type break-up.And who better than hermione?

[OpheliaSometime]

And who better than hermione?
How about Ginny? ;)

[v@sh]

@jenniferm

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Excellent points!! I couldn't agree more. An author IMO is not going to waste five books of establishing a emotional attachment to one of her characters, particularly when she continues to involve and build upon Hermione's importance in the adventures with Harry.

In a way to me its like developing and building Harry's adventures against Voldemort until the final battle (if there is one) and for some reason Neville ends up destroying Voldemort. Then what is the whole point of calling the series Harry Potter? In the same way, developing Hermione and increasing her role in the series and then all of a sudden in the 7th book Harry ends up with Ginny in the space of 2 books doesn't work, particularly when he doesn't even take a hint of interest in her for the first five books. Its illogical from an author's point of view.

Cheers,

v@sh

p.s. Happy New Year to Everyone!

[JessicaH]

Harry's first romance was more of that way.Yes,i agree it will be good-hearted,fun,etc. but it will have to be a mature person to avoid a cho type break-up.And who better than hermione?

Then they would have to break up some time in the book then? After all I just don't think that Harry's next girlfriend will be his girlfriend for life...he needs to grow up first, get confidence and experience. Besides JKR said Harry would have "a little romance" in the next book, which doesn't sound lastning to me. Somehow I believe even less in a short romance between Harry and Hermione than I do in them being together for life - he respects her to much for that.

[snoopy_bombay]

How about Ginny? ;)
Maybe:evil: but hermione seems more mature as of now

[JessicaH]

@jenniferm

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Excellent points!! I couldn't agree more. An author IMO is not going to waste five books of establishing a emotional attachment to one of her characters, particularly when she continues to involve and build upon Hermione's importance in the adventures with Harry.

In a way to me its like developing and building Harry's adventures against Voldemort until the final battle (if there is one) and for some reason Neville ends up destroying Voldemort. Then what is the whole point of calling the series Harry Potter? In the same way, developing Hermione and increasing her role in the series and then all of a sudden in the 7th book Harry ends up with Ginny in the space of 2 books doesn't work, particularly when he doesn't even take a hint of interest in her for the first five books. Its illogical from an author's point of view.

Cheers,

v@sh

p.s. Happy New Year to Everyone!

Not if she wants to create a character whose role is to play the very important part of a friend and aid in the battle.

[snoopy_bombay]

Then they would have to break up some time in the book then? After all I just don't think that Harry's next girlfriend will be his girlfriend for life...he needs to grow up first, get confidence and experience. Besides JKR said Harry would have "a little romance" in the next book, which doesn't sound lastning to me. Somehow I believe even less in a short romance between Harry and Hermione than I do in them being together for life - he respects her to much for that.
A little romance to me seems less page devotion rather than a quick break up.Considering that,I feel hermione can also be perfect.Remember harry and hermione will mostly hang around with ron.So the little romance can imply to the times when they are all alone and there isn't gonna be a lot of that.

[OpheliaSometime]

Excellent points!! I couldn't agree more. An author IMO is not going to waste five books of establishing a emotional attachment to one of her characters, particularly when she continues to involve and build upon Hermione's importance in the adventures with Harry.

In a way to me its like developing and building Harry's adventures against Voldemort until the final battle (if there is one) and for some reason Neville ends up destroying Voldemort. Then what is the whole point of calling the series Harry Potter? In the same way, developing Hermione and increasing her role in the series and then all of a sudden in the 7th book Harry ends up with Ginny in the space of 2 books doesn't work, particularly when he doesn't even take a hint of interest in her for the first five books. Its illogical from an author's point of view.


My question is why would she write five books without explicitly hinting that Harry likes Hermione? Why would she wait for the last two books to do something about it? Harry's had five books already to see Hermione in a different light besides his best friend, and it hasn't happened yet. He's spent countless hours with her, and it still hasn't happened. I just think it wouldl've happened earlier if H/Hr was Jo's intention. And don't ask this same question about Ginny because I think it's already been established that Harry doesn't know Ginny as well as Hermione. Ok, so he knows her, why hasn't he done anything about it? Why not get some clue as to him fancying her?

[JessicaH]

A little romance to me seems less page devotion rather than a quick break up.Considering that,I feel hermione can also be perfect.Remember harry and hermione will mostly hang around with ron.So the little romance can imply to the times when they are all alone and there isn't gonna be a lot of that.

I still think that Harry will have a not so serious and fairly short romance with some girl we haven't seen so much of just yet. I will be the perfect way for JKR to give him more confidence (which he needs) and to give him an opportunity to learn a bit more (read a lot more) on how to handle girls and relationships. I think Harry needs those things in order to be ready for the love of his life girl, it would just not be believable if he goes from the Cho-disaster to a relationship expert without some practice first.

[snoopy_bombay]

My question is why would she write five books without explicitly hinting that Harry likes Hermione? Why would she wait for the last two books to do something about it? Harry's had five books already to see Hermione in a different light besides his best friend, and it hasn't happened yet. He's spent countless hours with her, and it still hasn't happened. I just think it wouldl've happened earlier if H/Hr was Jo's intention. And don't ask this same question about Ginny because I think it's already been established that Harry doesn't know Ginny as well as Hermione. Ok, so he knows her, why hasn't he done anything about it? Why not get some clue as to him fancying her?
That's because the harry/cho fiasco was building.Then harry had to get over it.Only then can he take time to look at other girls.

I still think that Harry will have a not so serious and fairly short romance with some girl we haven't seen so much of just yet. I will be the perfect way for JKR to give him more confidence (which he needs) and to give him an opportunity to learn a bit more (read a lot more) on how to handle girls and relationships. I think Harry needs those things in order to be ready for the love of his life girl, it would just not be believable if he goes from the Cho-disaster to a relationship expert without some practice first.
It would seem totally ridiculous if what you say happens becausejkr will have to waste a lot of time introducing the character to us.What she says is a little romance in book 6 and if she wastes pages introducing the character to us then it wouldn't match with what she said.Get my point?:eyebrows:

[JessicaH]

That's because the harry/cho fiasco was building.Then harry had to get over it.Only then can he take time to look at other girls.

And when he does it will not be Hermione! If for no other reason then because he would never do that to Ron, who already fancies Hermione, which even Harry is starting to notice.

It would seem totally ridiculous if what you say happens becausejkr will have to waste a lot of time introducing the character to us.What she says is a little romance in book 6 and if she wastes pages introducing the character to us then it wouldn't match with what she said.Get my point?:eyebrows:

It will be someone we have already seen something of, probably a member of DA. Besides JKR wouldn't have to develope the character to much because the romance will not be that long, just a stepping stone in Harry's development if you get my drift.

[snoopy_bombay]

And when he does it will not be Hermione! If for no other reason then because he would never do that to Ron, who already fancies Hermione, which even Harry is starting to notice.
No,he wouldn't do that to ron,but what if ron finds a romance of his own with some other girl

[JessicaH]

No,he wouldn't do that to ron,but what if ron finds a romance of his own with some other girl

Then there would be a higher likelyhood, definitly. But then I don't believe that Ron will find someone else...

[snoopy_bombay]

who do you think is the perfect match for harry from the DA?

Then there would be a higher likelyhood, definitly. But then I don't believe that Ron will find someone else...
Why do you think so?Luna's there,and i guess she appreciates ron

[OpheliaSometime]

who do you think is the perfect match for harry from the DA?
You mean, aside from Ginny? :eyebrows:

[JessicaH]

who do you think is the perfect match for harry from the DA?


Why do you think so?Luna's there,and i guess she appreciates ron

I don't think that the girl will be a perfect match, that's the point. Harry will date this girl, whoever it will be for a short period of time, gaining confidence and experience and then they (or her or him) will realise that they are not well suited for each other and break up, probably without to much trauma. As for Luna, we all heard (well read) Ron calling her Looni in the DoM, and in Harry's and Luna's conversation in the end of the book she mentiones this "nickname" as something she does not like to be called. I don't think she would date someone that called her that to her face, even if he were a little strange at the time.

You mean, aside from Ginny? :eyebrows:

:tu: Definitly a match, but Harry won't date her either at first. Maybe towards the second half of the book.

[snoopy_bombay]

You mean, aside from Ginny? :eyebrows:
anyone,if you can explain why?

[JessicaH]

anyone,if you can explain why?

They share mutual interests, they both enoy a good laugh, she have been able to help him when he is feeling down, she is a part of his favourite family in the whole world....if you need more then here is a link:

Ginny Weasley - why? (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/essays/essay-harry-ginny.html)

[snoopy_bombay]

the reason I feel luna/ron can happen is because luna is starting to grow as a character.Now harry/luna can't happen because book 5 is too late to introduce the hero's girl.However it's not late to introduce the faithful sidekick's girl.Plus we have luna laughing at ron's jokes more than others,calling him ronald,etc.Anyways how come we have luna supporting gryffindor quidditch team as soon as ron's in it?something suspicious,don't you think?

[OpheliaSometime]

the reason I feel luna/ron can happen is because luna is starting to grow as a character.Now harry/luna can't happen because book 5 is too late to introduce the hero's girl.However it's not late to introduce the faithful sidekick's girl.Plus we have luna laughing at ron's jokes more than others,calling him ronald,etc.Anyways how come we have luna supporting gryffindor quidditch team as soon as ron's in it?something suspicious,don't you think?

Also, Jo has said that Harry would end up with someone who has been there from the very beginning of the series. So H/L doesn't look likely. Though I highly doubt R/L is gonna happen either.

[JessicaH]

the reason I feel luna/ron can happen is because luna is starting to grow as a character.Now harry/luna can't happen because book 5 is too late to introduce the hero's girl.However it's not late to introduce the faithful sidekick's girl.Plus we have luna laughing at ron's jokes more than others,calling him ronald,etc.Anyways how come we have luna supporting gryffindor quidditch team as soon as ron's in it?something suspicious,don't you think?


I'm still not convinced but I do say you make a good case for Luna fancying Ron. However there are no evidence in the book to suggest that Ron fancies Luna, there is however evidence that he do fancy Hermione, and that the feelings are returned.

[daz]

Also, Jo has said that Harry would end up with someone who has been there from the very beginning of the series. So H/L doesn't look likely. Though I highly doubt R/L is gonna happen either.

So we have Hermione or Ginny. They are the only 2 that have been there from the beginning.

[snoopy_bombay]

I'm still not convinced but I do say you make a good case for Luna fancying Ron. However there are no evidence in the book to suggest that Ron fancies Luna, there is however evidence that he do fancy Hermione, and that the feelings are returned.
Well,I tried my best.But i have a sneaking suspicion that ron will not go for a girl but glory.What I mean is ron doesn't need romance,what he needs is to prove himself.We came to know about ron's priorities in PS/SS.He sees himself quidditch captain,head boy,etc in the mirror of the erised.So we know that those are ron's dreams.Harry on the other hand sees his family.That's why romance should be an important part of his life.Compare those two reflections and it pretty much sums up both of their needs.Ron sees himself alone.Harry doesn't see himself alone.

So we have Hermione or Ginny. They are the only 2 that have been there from the beginning.
we have weird choices like parvati and lavender as well

[daz]

we have weird choices like parvati and lavender as well


Sorrr i dont really see that.

[JessicaH]

Well,I tried my best.But i have a sneaking suspicion that ron will not go for a girl but glory.What I mean is ron doesn't need romance,what he needs is to prove himself.We came to know about ron's priorities in PS/SS.He sees himself quidditch captain,head boy,etc in the mirror of the erised.So we know that those are ron's dreams.Harry on the other hand sees his family.That's why romance should be an important part of his life.Compare those two reflections and it pretty much sums up both of their needs.Ron sees himself alone.Harry doesn't see himself alone.

A very good argument indeed. Harry has a much greater need for a family than Ron. But then again in PS Ron is only eleven years old, while in the later books he has grown and changed with age, and girls are something he does think about. I don't think that because Ron wants glory you can exclude a girl (after all you can have both), but what I do believe is that their desires and wishes will influence the type of girl they choose. Ron will choose someone that can help him to glory and that possibly has a great career herself and whoever he chooses it will be important for him that they earn well so that he never has to be poor again. Harry on the other hand will choose someone who values family life, children and stability. From that you can draw your own conclusions about what girl would suit them.

[Drusilla]

It really doesn't help to make generalisations about what the girls are like, despite the fact that Ron and Hermione as a potential couple have been shoved up our noses at every given opportunity. I agree, if Harry is to become emotionally attached to someone in a romantic sense, it'll be serious. But I don't think a major romance is going to happen as of Book 6, and given what Hermione is like, I don't think it'll be her, since a Harmony connection won't be of the frivolous, good-for-a-snog variety. It could, of course, happen later, but I really don't think Harry's next romance is going to be with Hermione.

[snoopy_bombay]

A very good argument indeed. Harry has a much greater need for a family than Ron. But then again in PS Ron is only eleven years old, while in the later books he has grown and changed with age, and girls are something he does think about. I don't think that because Ron wants glory you can exclude a girl (after all you can have both), but what I do believe is that their desires and wishes will influence the type of girl they choose. Ron will choose someone that can help him to glory and that possibly has a great career herself and whoever he chooses it will be important for him that they earn well so that he never has to be poor again. Harry on the other hand will choose someone who values family life, children and stability. From that you can draw your own conclusions about what girl would suit them.
thanks about that:tu: .What you say is also true.Now lets say ron gets both girl and glory,he will have a tough time maintaining both.To keep up glory,he may end up giving less time to girl and it may upset her.On the other hand if ron tries to maintain girl,he may end up losing glory.Then I bet he wouldn't harbour high opinions about girl.It's so confusing,that he'd rather go for one.

Sorrr i dont really see that.
Me neither.

[JessicaH]

It really doesn't help to make generalisations about what the girls are like, despite the fact that Ron and Hermione as a potential couple have been shoved up our noses at every given opportunity. I agree, if Harry is to become emotionally attached to someone in a romantic sense, it'll be serious. But I don't think a major romance is going to happen as of Book 6, and given what Hermione is like, I don't think it'll be her, since a Harmony connection won't be of the frivolous, good-for-a-snog variety. It could, of course, happen later, but I really don't think Harry's next romance is going to be with Hermione.

Harry will according to JKR have "a little romance" in book six, but I do agree that there won't be a major romance just yet. Maybe we'll see the beginning of it towards the end of the book.

thanks about that:tu: .What you say is also true.Now lets say ron gets both girl and glory,he will have a tough time maintaining both.To keep up glory,he may end up giving less time to girl and it may upset her.On the other hand if ron tries to maintain girl,he may end up losing glory.Then I bet he wouldn't harbour high opinions about girl.It's so confusing,that he'd rather go for one.

That's why Ron will need a girl that is willing and able to help him to glory.

[daz]

I think there will be more clues in HBP that Hermione likes Harry as more than a friend.

[JessicaH]

I think there will be more clues in HBP that Hermione likes Harry as more than a friend.

And I think that he will start to realise that Ginny is more than just Ron's baby sister.

[daz]

And I think that he will start to realise that Ginny is more than just Ron's baby sister.

We will see. It has not happend yet. And its not like he looks for Ginny to talk to. Its all Ginny so far.

[JessicaH]

We will see. It has not happend yet. And its not like he looks for Ginny to talk to. Its all Ginny so far.

Well he haven't thought about Hermione in any other than friendly way either, so whoever of us is right, there is going to be some sort of change in the way Harry view either Ginny or Hermione in the next two books.

[daz]

Hermione is his best friend. So yes he turns to Hermione at times. He is yet to do that with Ginny.