Who Will fall in love with whom? v.42

[JessicaH]

Hermione is his best friend. So yes he turns to Hermione at times. He is yet to do that with Ginny.

And he turns to Ron even more, doesn't mean they are going to be lovers, does it? No, either way Harry is going to need to change the way he sees the girl.

[SpiriTOwnz]

Prophecy explains clearly that a true romance for Harry won't be possible until Voldy dies. Harry's dream is to find his family (SS). His only way to find it is creating it.
For sure, H/Hr will happen as soon as Voldy is killed by Harry, as an epilog. It's the only end that seems coherent with all 5 previous books and what JKR said.

[JessicaH]

Prophecy explains clearly that a true romance for Harry won't be possible until Voldy dies. Harry's dream is to find his family (SS). His only way to find it is creating it.
For sure, H/Hr will happen as soon as Voldy is killed by Harry, as an epilog. It's the only end that seems coherent with all 5 previous books and what JKR said.

I don't agree. First I think that Harry will have a major love interest already before the death of Voldemort, and I don't think that it will be Hermione, since that wouldn't be coherent with what JKR has said in interviews or in the books. Besides I think Harry will need someone to protect other than himself in order to accually kill Voldemort (he did after all have a huge problem with the idea of killing him in OotP). JKR doesn't take murder lightly even when someone is as bad as Voldemort, and I think that protecting someone (maybe a girlfriend) is a way out of the problem of Harry having to kill him. However I do agree that we might see some sort of epilog at the end of book seven, so that we know what happened after Hogwarts. Maybe the new headmistress McGonagall comes to offer Harry the job as DADA teacher after a few years or something.

[Oro]

About Neville. I'd like to know, it's me or he has feelings for Ginny in Ootp ?

[JessicaH]

About Neville. I'd like to know, it's me or he has feelings for Ginny in Ootp ?

I would say no. After all they went to the Yule Ball together and Ginny spent that evening chatting to another boy, who she later dated, and Neville didn't even seem to mind, he was just as good a friend to her as before. If he were interested wouldn't he be at least a bit annoyed at her behaviour, I know I would have been.

[SpiriTOwnz]

Ron doesn't seem to really love Hermione. During the Yule Ball, he explicitely shows that Hermione is a "troll-type" and boring girl, according to him. He explains that Krum's only interest in going out with Hermione would be to steal informations about Harry. He wouldn't like Hermione, find in her some beauty, or any kind of interest.

We all know Ron isn't very intelligent in OoTP, and he's even less in GoF. I don't think he got time to prepare a plan to render Hermione jealous, and make her stop seeing Krum. Ron doesn't have the Hermione's brain skills (OoTP, she found very fastly the Grawp/Centaur idea) or DD's.

Ron said what he truely thought of Hermione. He is just jealous of everyone who finds love, maybe because he can't find it himself. The Krum broken figurine could be compared to Ron's animosity against Michael Corner.

I'd really like to have a better english, could any1 gimme some lessons ? :D

[Oro]

I would say no. After all they went to the Yule Ball together and Ginny spent that evening chatting to another boy, who she later dated, and Neville didn't even seem to mind, he was just as good a friend to her as before. If he were interested wouldn't he be at least a bit annoyed at her behaviour, I know I would have been.

I don't know, in Ootp he trys to protect her two times :

P.816, Out of fire.

There was a commotion outside and several large Slyterins entered, each grapping Ron, Ginny, Luna and - to Harry's bewilderment - Neville, who was trapped in a stranglehold by Crab and looked in imminent danger of suffocation. All four of them had been gagged.
'Got 'em all' said Warrington, shoving Ron roughly forwards into the room. 'That one', he poked a thick finger at Neville, 'tries to stop me taking her' he pointed at Ginny...

P.877, Beyond the veil.

She [Ginny] keeled over sideways and lay there inconscious.
'STUBEFY!' shouted Neville, wheeling around and waving Hermione's wand at the oncoming Death Eaters, 'STUBEFY, STUBEFY!'

It's cute, no ? But I'm ok, it prooves nothing.

[JessicaH]

Ron doesn't seem to really love Hermione. During the Yule Ball, he explicitely shows that Hermione is a "troll-type" and boring girl, according to him. He explains that Krum's only interest in going out with Hermione would be to steal informations about Harry. He wouldn't like Hermione, find in her some beauty, or any kind of interest.

We all know Ron isn't very intelligent in OoTP, and he's even less in GoF. I don't think he got time to prepare a plan to render Hermione jealous, and make her stop seeing Krum. Ron doesn't have the Hermione's brain skills (OoTP, she found very fastly the Grawp/Centaur idea) or DD's.

Ron said what he truely thought of Hermione. He is just jealous of everyone who finds love, maybe because he can't find it himself. The Krum broken figurine could be compared to Ron's animosity against Michael Corner.

I'd really like to have a better english, could any1 gimme some lessons ? :D

Ron says does things about Krum really not liking Hermione because he cannot stand the idea of someone else dating her. As for his intelligens there is nothing wrong with it. After all he is very good at chess, which is very hard to be if you are not smart. I think Ron is often underestimated because he is always being compared to Hermione (who is extreemly book smart) and Harry (who is one of the most talanted wizards around), neither one of them are easy to stand up to. However if we compare Ron to other students at Hogwarts we find that he is not worse than any of the others, on the contrary both Hermione and Harry find him good to have around when fighting DE (which they didn't with Luna, Ginny and Neville, despite the fact that they just proven how capable they are).

And when it comes to your theory that Ron would object to anyone finding happiness in a relationship that isn't true, because he does not mind Harry dating Cho or even his brother dating Fleur (even though he found her very attractive). The reason he does not like Ginny dating Michael Corner is because she is his baby sister and he doesn't really like anyone dating her, with the only exception of Harry which he stresses several times in the the two latest books.

So in conlusion, I think we will see alot more of Ron's skill in the next book, and hopefully understand how good he really is.

[stic]

Anagua9 wrote:stic, are you at all aware of the conventions of romantic conflict? These are classic! You can call them "nasty" and "anti R/Hr" all you want, but that doesn't make it trueOh it is true: Ron says about Hermione having turned down Neville in GoF p. 399:

"...she told him she was already going with someone. Ha! As if!"

Come on, Angua, :rotfl:
Ron doesn't believe Hermione can get a date with anybody else than with loser Neville. He expresses that view again and again. You can declare Ron's nastyness and Hermione's reactions to be a sweet romantic cliché convention all you want. :td:
What you're doing is taking the worst possible interpretation -- the one Hermione is supposed to take, not the one the reader is supposed to take. And you forgive Ron anything easily because you think it's all part of the big cliché. :td:
You seem like a smart person, but I can't tell if you're deliberately doing this for ship reasons, or if you're truly unfamiliar with the traditions of romance writing. All we have in canon is the Hermione character being disgusted by Ron's arrogance, wrong accusations and condescending behaviour. :huh: It's not light banter, not just a little chauvinism on Ron's side.
The most avid Harmonian shippers including me are all "orderly-obstinate" characters just like Hermione and you won't find any easy-forgiving Ron fans among us And you really think that if the two comments had been reversed Hermione would have responded like that to Fred and stalked indignantly out of the room? I don't! Besides, JKR wrote it like that for a reason, and it works perfectly. This is the first scene in a long series that make up the R/Hr romance subplotYeah, you believe that.
Fred feared the good ones will be takenn, Ron feared he'd end up with a troll: A dumb, disgusting, stinking, ugly creature. Being familiar with JKR's quotes does not make one "spoiled." (...)" More information about JKR's style, personality, preferences, modes of speaking, and intentions is GOOD It helps, not hurts, one's understanding of the books More chances for Jo to reach into her bag of tricks.
Or, speaking only for myself, it has always helped me make accurate predictions about forthcoming canon. :nc:

Claudia wrote:Which brings us to Ginny. She says that she cares about Sirius as much as Ron does (implying that that she deserves to go as much as Ron). She does have a personal motivation to fight against Voldemort, but that doesn't appear to be what's driving her here (...) From the way she argues her case, it sounds to me as though what Ginny really wants is to prove herself--but to whom? Possibilities are: 1) to herself--to prove that she is a much stronger person than the girl who got taken over by Tom Riddle during her first year; 2) to Ron--to make him stop treating her like his baby sister; 3) to Harry--both to make him recognize that she is a stronger person than he knows and to make him stop treating her like Ron's baby sister. I go for 1.) + a little No. 2.) + a little No. 3)
And I guess a follow-up question could be: does she succeed? From a writer's standpoint I'd say Jo did the right thing. Ginny refused to be a victim any longer and grew a strong will rather than really strong fighting or strategic abilities. She's willing to rock but far from ready to rock.
I can't see Harry pushing his girlfriend Ginny aside everytime he needs his Hermy badly.

[JessicaH]

I don't know, in Ootp he trys to protect her two times :

P.816, Out of fire.

There was a commotion outside and several large Slyterins entered, each grapping Ron, Ginny, Luna and - to Harry's bewilderment - Neville, who was trapped in a stranglehold by Crab and looked in imminent danger of suffocation. All four of them had been gagged.
'Got 'em all' said Warrington, shoving Ron roughly forwards into the room. 'That one', he poked a thick finger at Neville, 'tries to stop me taking her' he pointed at Ginny...

P.877, Beyond the veil.

She [Ginny] keeled over sideways and lay there inconscious.
'STUBEFY!' shouted Neville, wheeling around and waving Hermione's wand at the oncoming Death Eaters, 'STUBEFY, STUBEFY!'

It's cute, no ? But I'm ok, it prooves nothing.I

I think Neville tries to protect her because they are friends, just like Harry tries to protect Hermione and Ron or any one else for that matter. I could easely see Neville standing up to protect either one in the trio as well, something I do believe will happen in the next book.

[stic]

Angua9 wrote:Ron is the thing Harry would (and does!) sorely miss. Back in the days of mid GoF.
Ron is Harry's first and best friend.Used to be, IMO.
No Harry Ron bonding moments in OotP but a woozy kind of alienation.
Lots of H/Hr exclusive bonding moments.
Ron is the person Harry is so upset to be without he can't even learn a simple Summoning Charm. Hermione taught him that charm in the end. Ron did nothing substantial for Harry in tasks 1, 2 and 3.
Ron is one of the two people whose faces allow Harry to cast a Patronus in the beginning of Book 5I'll give you that.
Ron is the person with whom Harry longs to spend Christmas.With Him and the entire surrogate family who did nothing to help Harry until Hermione took the initiative.
Don't hold your breath waiting for that person to be phased out of the books! I'm waiting for the big Harry/Ron clash. :eyebrows:

jenniferm wrote: I do think H/G would be extremely soap operaish. Ginny hero worships Harry the hero for four books. Harry ignores her and at times treats her terribly. Ginny then states she is over Harry and dates two other boys. Harry still could care less. Harry then decides he loves Ginny even though he does not even know her well. Ginny changes her mind once Harry decides to pay attention to her. Ridiculous! :clap:

[Deevo]

I just have a quick question to throw out to everyone. How many of us have mistaken a deep friendship of our own with something more? I know I have countless times between the ages of 17-21 or so. Now that I'm slightly older, I can read the signs a little better than I did before. Reading about these kids growing up reminds me a lot of those days. It feels like people are being confused as to what is friendship and what is more. No offense to anyone.
I must admit I find some of the discussion a little unclear at times though you can usually figure it by the context. For example a lot of the younger posters (no offence meant guys) seem to use 'like' as a description of romantic attraction where I would be using something a bit more specific as to me liking someone is a far too generalised a term.

But I digress, to answer your question yes one can be easily confused as to such feelings in your teenage years and it would be fair to say some of us carry that beyond that age too. :blush:

That's the main reason I don't put as much importance on the resolution of these shipping debates as some others do. Even though I do have a good idea who I believe will 'get together' and enjoy discussing the possibilitys it's ultimately of less importance than the overall story of what will become of Harry, his friends and Jo Rowling's Wizarding world at the end of her story.

If you assume that the whole question of Harry, his friends and the rest of the world's fate, at least where Voldemort is concerned, will be decided at the end book seven then our central characters, those that survive anyway, are just beginning their adult lives. Not everyone in that age group would be likely to have settled into a relationship and there is no guarantee that those that have will remain paired.

They share mutual interests, they both enoy a good laugh, she have been able to help him when he is feeling down, she is a part of his favourite family in the whole world....if you need more then here is a link:

Ginny Weasley - why? (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/essays/essay-harry-ginny.html)
That's a good essay Jessica, concise and to the point. Thanks for the link. :tu:

Here is a link to a Mugglenet editorial (http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/madampuddifoot/edit-kkearney01.shtml) on the same subject that you might find interesting.

Also, Jo has said that Harry would end up with someone who has been there from the very beginning of the series. So H/L doesn't look likely. Though I highly doubt R/L is gonna happen either.

So we have Hermione or Ginny. They are the only 2 that have been there from the beginning.
Plus the other dozen or so female students (some of whom are listed on pages 89-91 of the Bloomsbury edition of PS) that were in Harry's group to be sorted, some of whom are now DA members.

Well,I tried my best.But i have a sneaking suspicion that ron will not go for a girl but glory.What I mean is ron doesn't need romance,what he needs is to prove himself.We came to know about ron's priorities in PS/SS.He sees himself quidditch captain,head boy,etc in the mirror of the erised.So we know that those are ron's dreams.Harry on the other hand sees his family.That's why romance should be an important part of his life.Compare those two reflections and it pretty much sums up both of their needs.Ron sees himself alone.Harry doesn't see himself alone.
Actually that's a good point though as Jessica noted what an eleven year old and what a sixteen year old desire are not likely to be the same. Wouldn't it be interesting if Harry and Ron were to again stumble across the mirror in HBP, I wonder what they would see now.

Harry will according to JKR have "a little romance" in book six, but I do agree that there won't be a major romance just yet. Maybe we'll see the beginning of it towards the end of the book.
Yes I feel we'll see some beginnings made in Harry's little romance. I think while he has the threat of the prophecy hanging over his head or at least till it's more out in the open amongst his friends he's going to be reluctant to really pursue any serious relationship for a couple of reasons. Firstly he's going to want to want to concentrate on honing his skills after the events at the MOM and secondly he's not going to wish to get too close to someone else lest they become a target because of it. For someone to reach him on that level that someone is going to have to:

Be aware of the prophecy and it's implications for Harry
Have an affinity with Harry and what he's already been through
Be strong enough to be able to look after herself
Be able to support Harry
Be able to stand up to him effectively* when he needs them to

*I mean effectively as being able to influence him when he's clearly wrong.

So far the only candidate that seems to posess all of these qualities is little Ginny IMO.


Ron doesn't seem to really love Hermione. During the Yule Ball, he explicitely shows that Hermione is a "troll-type" and boring girl, according to him. He explains that Krum's only interest in going out with Hermione would be to steal informations about Harry. He wouldn't like Hermione, find in her some beauty, or any kind of interest.
I disagree with you allthough I can see where you're coming from. In GOF Ron is aware he feels something for Hermione though he hasn't quite figured out just what that something is. When he finds out she's dating Krum the jealosy decends on him and he spends the entire Yule Ball ignoring his date and glaring at Hermione. When she challenges him afterward in the infamous Yule Brawl scene he's still unable to comprehend what he's feeling and comes up with the trite, and ultimately untrue, 'fraternising with the enemy' line.

We all know Ron isn't very intelligent in OoTP, and he's even less in GoF. I don't think he got time to prepare a plan to render Hermione jealous, and make her stop seeing Krum. Ron doesn't have the Hermione's brain skills (OoTP, she found very fastly the Grawp/Centaur idea) or DD's.
I can't agree there. While Ron, at that point, may be clueless and grossly insensitive where girls, particularly Hermione, are concerned he's not at all unintelligent overall. Actually his relationship toward Hermione changed significantly during OOTP and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a quite different dynamic between the two of them in HBP. Have a read of this Mugglenet editorial (http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/madampuddifoot/edit-khayes01.shtml) on the subject, it explains things much better than I can.

[Potterfreak1]

So we have Hermione or Ginny. They are the only 2 that have been there from the beginning.
I say hemoine although ive been a h/h shipper they seem to be growing closer in each book- hermoine always hugs harry when there in mortal danger and when there not plus she kisses him at the end of gof.
Hermoine only hugs ron a few times through the 5 books

Ginny- harry has shown no intrest twards her

[GinnyxHarry]

I say hemoine although ive been a h/h shipper they seem to be growing closer in each book- hermoine always hugs harry when there in mortal danger and when there not plus she kisses him at the end of gof.
Hermoine only hugs ron a few times through the 5 books

Ginny- harry has shown no intrest twards her
I must say I agree with you, and I ship H/G. Hermione hasn't shown effections for Ron, but Ron has shown for her, example the slug spell.

[JessicaH]

I say hemoine although ive been a h/h shipper they seem to be growing closer in each book- hermoine always hugs harry when there in mortal danger and when there not plus she kisses him at the end of gof.
Hermoine only hugs ron a few times through the 5 books

Because she feels more comfortable with Harry, there is no tension there. It is harder for a sixteen year old girl to hug someone she fancies than someone she doesn't.

[ChocolateHedwig]

I say hemoine although ive been a h/h shipper they seem to be growing closer in each book- hermoine always hugs harry when there in mortal danger and when there not plus she kisses him at the end of gof.
Hermoine only hugs ron a few times through the 5 books


:huh: Er-- Hugs don't really show that much affection.. (This might just be becasue I'm insane, but still...:p ) My friends last year made every Friday 'International Hug Day', and we went around and just hugged people. ( Yes, we were insane. Then the principal made a rule and now nobody can hug anybody anymore... ) Also, if you're in mortal danger you would hug somebody. It makes you feel safer, maybe they can save you, or maybe you will die together, but they can't leave you behind. The kiss at the end GoF, okay it was a kiss... she also kissed Ron.(OotP) So what? I really just count out the kisses, because the are an even thing. Hermione has kissed both Ron, and Harry - Line of symmetry. (The reactions are different though )

I must say I agree with you, and I ship H/G. Hermione hasn't shown effections for Ron, but Ron has shown for her, example the slug spell.

Hermione has shown some. ( The famous 'Yule Brawl' scene. ) :p ; furious after Fleur kisses Ron..
Ron: Broken Krum doll.
*is too lazy to look up more*

[Miss ERB]

I do think H/G would be extremely soap operaish. Ginny hero worships Harry the hero for four books. Harry ignores her and at times treats her terribly. Ginny then states she is over Harry and dates two other boys. Harry still could care less. Harry then decides he loves Ginny even though he does not even know her well. Ginny changes her mind once Harry decides to pay attention to her. Ridiculous




You think Harry treats her horribly? He doesn't treat Ginny horribly. He is nice to her most of the time, the only times he wasnt he was being rude to everyone and was in a horrible mood. Why is it so ridiculous that Harry may suddenly notice Ginny? He hasn't really gotten to know her. And I belive he will get to know in HBP. People's opinion's of other change. Especially when you have an opinion of someone you dont know very well and then over time you get to know them even better. How is it ridiculous that his feelings will change when he barely knows her yet?

[faiza]

Ron wouldn't feel insecure if Harry was dating his sister in the same time

Who would Ginny turn to if Harry was occopied with Hermione???

My question is why would she write five books without explicitly hinting that Harry likes Hermione? Why would she wait for the last two books to do something about it? Harry's had five books already to see Hermione in a different light besides his best friend, and it hasn't happened yet. He's spent countless hours with her, and it still hasn't happened. I just think it wouldl've happened earlier if H/Hr was Jo's intention. And don't ask this same question about Ginny because I think it's already been established that Harry doesn't know Ginny as well as Hermione. Ok, so he knows her, why hasn't he done anything about it? Why not get some clue as to him fancying her?

I've seen subtle hints of Harry liking Hermione as more then a friend, but Heronians brush them off because they're "just signs of their great friendship". It would be unrealistic if Harry fell in love with Hermione in GoF (he was 14) and they would be together for the rest of their lives. His crush on Cho was needed so he could test the waters. Most Chocolateers say that Harry and Ginny are going to become friends first, then Harry's going to realize what a great girl Ginny is and fall madly in love with her. He's already established a great friendship with Hermione, so why can't he fall madly in love with her?
He's been friends with Hermione for +/- half a year in PS, half a year in CoS (she was petrified for most of the year so he couldn't get to know her better) and PoA/GoF/OotP. That's like 4 years. Almost the same amount of time Harry and Ginny have together from the moment she hooked up with Michael and therefor got over her crush with Harry till the end of seventh year. So if H/G can become friends in that time and fall in love, Harry can fall for Hermione in HBP.

it would just not be believable if he goes from the Cho-disaster to a relationship expert without some practice first.

If Hermione's the girl, he won't have to be an expert. She knows him best, she knows how clueless he is when it comes to girls and she will have the patience to deal with him.

[MPPMarauderGirl]

Ever think that Hermione is "closer" to Harry in OoP because if she is laid back and not in check with him, he'll bite her head off? Like at the beginning of OoP?

Nobody has yet to answer me: What will it take for Harry to change his mind?

[daz]

I say hemoine although ive been a h/h shipper they seem to be growing closer in each book- hermoine always hugs harry when there in mortal danger and when there not plus she kisses him at the end of gof.
Hermoine only hugs ron a few times through the 5 books

Ginny- harry has shown no intrest twards her


I agree. Harry is not intersted in Ginny. And as he has shown no interest in getting to know Ginnny. It wont change any time soon.

[MPPMarauderGirl]

Also, I think the people that say Harry won't like Ginny "because he hasn't shown any interest in her" but say he can be with Hermione - I ask, what books are you reading?

Harry has only liked Cho. So if you rule out the interest for Ginny, you rule it out for everyone (including Hermione) but Cho.

[Marissa]

Wow...everytime i come to check on the message board, or when i'm in a harry potter loving mood this thread has always been active.
Version 42!!!
Thats crazy!! :tu:

[MPPMarauderGirl]

It takes Hermione a near-death experience for her to kiss Harry, but it takes a Quidditch match for her to kiss Ron.

And do you know, that Hermione kissing Harry when he's interested in another girl; when she's certain he won't take it the wrong way.

Why would Hermione kiss Ron in OoP for no reason? She could have hugged him. But she kissed him.

What do you make of that?

[daz]

It takes Hermione a near-death experience for her to kiss Harry, but it takes a Quidditch match for her to kiss Ron.

And do you know, that Hermione kissing Harry when he's interested in another girl; when she's certain he won't take it the wrong way.

Why would Hermione kiss Ron in OoP for no reason? She could have hugged him. But she kissed him.

What do you make of that?

It was a pity kiss. She is not dumb so she know rons likes her. And she knew Ron would concentrate on the kiss.

She says to Harry that he is all most as bad as Ron. OOTP. At some point.

I take that to mean she knows Ron likes her and he is not getting the fact Hermione is not returning them feelings. Hence Harry is all most as bad as Ron.

[MPPMarauderGirl]

It was a pity kiss. She is not dumb so she know rons likes her. And she knew Ron would concentrate on the kiss.

She says to Harry that he is all most as bad as Ron. OOTP. At some point.

I take that to mean she knows Ron likes her and he is not getting the fact Hermione is not returning them feelings. Hence Harry is all most as bad as Ron.

Um, no. Sorry. She said, "You're almost as bad as Ron." when talking about how Harry doesn't think she's ugly.

"You might've wanted to tell her you thought I was ugly."
"But I don't think you're ugly - "
"Honestly, you're almost as bad as Ron," said Hermione has Ron walked into the hall. "Well, no you're not."

A pity kiss? Sure. That's not even an explanation. You wish it was a pity kiss, more like.

[rupertfan123]

It was a pity kiss. She is not dumb so she know rons likes her. And she knew Ron would concentrate on the kiss.

She says to Harry that he is all most as bad as Ron. OOTP. At some point.

I take that to mean she knows Ron likes her and he is not getting the fact Hermione is not returning them feelings. Hence Harry is all most as bad as Ron.

Yes,she knows Ron likes her.It's obvious!But even if she knew and felt bad for him,she wouldn't have had to kiss him.A simple hug or a "Good Luck" would have done it,but no.she decides to take it to the next level and kiss him.It was her choice of what to do and so she kissed him.A kiss isn't something you do out of pity.Do you go around kissing everyone you feel bad for?It has more meaning.

[kddr]

Hoepfully everyone has viewed the essay by player as he makes some very good points for H/H. I also think it is going to be important to the story line. HArry's life was preserved by love(sacrifice of lily). The power that he has is presumed to be related to love. Many posts on the new clues forum relate that the story may end in a sacrifice to vanquish Voldemort. Although the movie is not canon evidence in POA when Harry covers Herm. as Lupin attacks in werewolf form, in the dept Of mysteries when HArry thinks she is dead, and the other times that he shields her from danger , could this be how he defeats voldemort ... ie through sacrifice to save another with the original sacrifice playing a role as well now the voldemort carries some of harry's blood in him.... whoever Harry ends up with may have a very large role in defeating voldemort and it may be critical to the plot now just extra fun information. I see Herm. as the most likely to be with Harry at the end in the final confrontation. From the last few books it is interesting that Ron 's role is reduced or absent in some form. Thoughts?

[rupertfan123]

Ron is the thing Harry would (and does!) sorely miss.

Back in the days of mid GoF.

In case you haven't noticed,OotP is only a year after GoF.Harry isn't going to learn to love Hermione as more than just a friend in less than a year.Whereas Ron's love has been growing since book 1,and Hermione is learning to realise that maybe Ron is worth it.

Ron is Harry's first and best friend.

Used to be, IMO.
No Harry Ron bonding moments in OotP but a woozy kind of alienation.
Lots of H/Hr exclusive bonding moments.

Used to be?What are you implying here?That all of the sudden...WHAM!Ron is no longer Harry's best friend? Ho yeah,that makes sense...And what H/Hr bonding moments?

[JessicaH]

Yes,she knows Ron likes her.It's obvious!But even if she knew and felt bad for him,she wouldn't have had to kiss him.A simple hug or a "Good Luck" would have done it,but no.she decides to take it to the next level and kiss him.It was her choice of what to do and so she kissed him.A kiss isn't something you do out of pity.Do you go around kissing everyone you feel bad for?It has more meaning.

I agree competely :tu: and I love your picture! You wouldn't have one of Harry and Ginny would you?

[MPPMarauderGirl]

I want to know this: Ever think that Hermione is "closer" to Harry in OoP because if she is laid back and not in check with him, he'll bite her head off? Like at the beginning of OoP? Maybe she's closer because best friends get closer through the hard times their friends have to face? That horrible things that happen to your friends are supposed to make your friendship stronger? Ever thought about that?

Which is another good point for the kiss. Ron hasn't faced anything bad and he gets kissed. But Harry faces near death and gets kissed. That's a big difference, you know.

Nobody has yet to answer me: What will it take for Harry to change his mind?

[rupertfan123]

I agree competely and I love your picture! You wouldn't have one of Harry and Ginny would you?

Thanks for understanding.And I got that picture off of a website.I can try to find a Harry/Ginny one for you if you want.