The Foe Glass

[Romulus Lupin]

Did anyone notice how Snape seemed interested when he saw himself in the Foe Glass (with Dumbledore and McGonagall)?

I'm thinking he may have been wondering himself about his own alliegance, and looking in the mirror for confirmation that he really was against the Death Eaters (and, by extension, Voldemort). Or perhaps he still is evil, and was checking the foe glass to make sure his ruse was still effected.

Who has other thoughts?

[Fleur Delacour]

I didn't even notice that, I bet yo;u that he was just making sure... Because I know if i were in his position I would be pretty nervous as well, you know with Voldie after him now.

[Kneazle]

Does it ever say exactly how the Foe-Glass works? Is it your enemies who would/are going to harm you, or just people you hate who could??

Anyway, I like to see it as confirmation of Snape's loyalty to the good side. His task, whatever it is, will need firm resolution, and I'm sure he's questioned his alliance at some point.

[Thayet]

Hmmm....I didnt really notice that either. Perhaps it was seeing himself in a FOE glass that made him wonder who's side he was really on, and to think of where his loyalty lies.

[Da da da da da86]

The foe glass shows the owner's enemies. Remember, Harry could see McGonagall, Dumbledore and Snape in the glass, and they are certainly not his enemie (well, maybe Snape). I think Snape was interested simply because he was not familiar with the glass, or did not understand why Dumbledore and McGonagall were on it (He and Moody were enemies in his eyes because Moody was an auror and and he was a death eater. In reality, it was because Crouch despised Voldemort's traitors.)

Whatever Snape saw was not his own vision of his enemies, but rather Crouch/Moddy's. Does that make sense? Is that even what you're talking about?

[Thayet]

This thread is confusing me a bit now.....ok maybe a lot :??:

[Romulus Lupin]

Originally posted by Da da da da da86
The foe glass shows the owner's enemies. Remember, Harry could see McGonagall, Dumbledore and Snape in the glass, and they are certainly not his enemie (well, maybe Snape). I think Snape was interested simply because he was not familiar with the glass, or did not understand why Dumbledore and McGonagall were on it (He and Moody were enemies in his eyes because Moody was an auror and and he was a death eater. In reality, it was because Crouch despised Voldemort's traitors.)

Whatever Snape saw was not his own vision of his enemies, but rather Crouch/Moddy's. Does that make sense? Is that even what you're talking about?

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about, but my point was he seemed interested that the foe glass revealed him to be an enemy of Crouch Jr.'s - perhaps Snape was surprised to see that someone unexpected considered him an enemy.

[Cat]

At this point, Snape didn't know Moody was Crouch JR. The Foe Glass would be one of Mad-Eye's typical possessions but it wasn't behaving typically in portraying Snape, McGonagall and Dumbledore as enemies (well, he probably wouldn't be surprised to see himself, even if it WAS the real Moody). It was an incriminating object.

Though personally I think he was just having a snoop.

[WhiteBumblebee]

I think Snape is a character who has a complicated past but will end up showing his true colours in the end. In truth, we don't exactly know his reaseons for joining the death eaters. Snape joined dumbledore again "at great personal risk" and worked succesfully against voldie. I think he could have been surprised that he was there because he had felt the darkmark on his arm burning and wondered if he was indeed destined to go back (coz at that point he didn't know about barty jr.) like everyone, he has had to face tough decisions. and it scared him that his resolution was not as strong as it was.

**breath**

what i think bears merit is the glint of triumph in dumbledore's eye when harry tells him that voldie can touch him now... what was that all about?

Cheers
~WhiteBumblebee

[Dobby and Winky]

I agree with you all. I think that Snape knows he would be in Moody's foe-glass, but he wonders why McGonagall and Dumbledore are in it, and maybe he realizes something's not as it seems to be.

[Kneazle]

Oh! Right, this was before Crouch was revealed. Alright then. . . yeah, he was probably just suspicious.

[Sam]

Originally posted by Da da da da da86
The foe glass shows the owner's enemies. Remember, Harry could see McGonagall, Dumbledore and Snape in the glass, and they are certainly not his enemie (well, maybe Snape). I think Snape was interested simply because he was not familiar with the glass, or did not understand why Dumbledore and McGonagall were on it (He and Moody were enemies in his eyes because Moody was an auror and and he was a death eater. In reality, it was because Crouch despised Voldemort's traitors.)

Whatever Snape saw was not his own vision of his enemies, but rather Crouch/Moddy's. Does that make sense? Is that even what you're talking about?

I gotcha. So, the foeglass shows the owner's enemies-and Snape would wonder why Moody would have McGonagall and Dumbledore in it? Especially if Dumbledore and Moody were such good friends.

And why exactly would Snape not be in it? Who would own the spy glass and have McGonangall and Dumbledore as enemies?

I think that's what Snape was looking so intently for.

[3 Magic Beans]

I agree with what has already been said.
Snape always seems to want to know everything that is going on and he was probably just interested or wanted to find out that extra piece of information

[Divi]

I thought the foe glass showed swirling images of threats / enimies of the glass's owner. When the images became clearer, it meant those people were real threats to you. Regardless of Snape's other interests or past, he was a threat to fake Moody because he helped to stop him.

[Cho Chang]

Foe glass .. sounds really complicated!!!!
I think I should reread book 4 to find out more!!!!:bawl:

[HogwartsChaplain]

I don't remember if anything was said about what would become of the Foe Glass at the end of GoF. Will it be returned to the real Moody? Will it stay at Hogwarts? Will it be sent to the Ministry of Magic?

My guess is that it will be returned to Moody, but it would be great if it could stay at Hogwarts.

[raeredeyes]

Snape followed him, looking into the Foe-Glass, where his own face was still visible, glaring into the room.


From this, i really dont think you can read too much into it. It may mean nothing at all.

Perhaps he is just vain? :grin:

[Da da da da da86]

Originally posted by raeredeyes



From this, i really dont think you can read too much into it. It may mean nothing at all.

Perhaps he is just vain? :grin:



Then why does he have such greasy hair? You'd think as a vain person he'd try to fix it...

[dorcasderr]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...But back to topic-let's hope that the foe glass stays in good hands, whether Moody's or at Hogwarts. Do we know if it is the ONLY one in existence?

[Tinkie]

I agree with what most of the people have already said. the foe glass probably shows the enemies of the owner of this object. and snape, along with McGonagall and Dumbledore, was Barty Crouch Jr's enemy. he might have been a death eater but he went back to the good side and Crouch hated him. But he didnt know that yet. so that is why he was looking intently at it. Because he couldnt believe how it was possible that Dumbledore and McGonagall could be Moody's enemy

[HogwartsChaplain]

Originally posted by dorcasderr
Do we know if it [foe glass] is the ONLY one in existence?
No, we don't. Like many magical objects, I would guess it's difficult to make, so there probably aren't too many. It would kind of ruin a lot of plot lines if everyone had one.

[Fleur]

As a very accomplished Auror, Moody would have the oppourtounity to get the latest "Dark Dectectors", even if it was rare. We could see soem people in the higher levels of the Ministry that have some of these objects too, especially if they were paraniod too. :D

[Alicia_Potter]

Originally posted by Da da da da da86
The foe glass shows the owner's enemies. Remember, Harry could see McGonagall, Dumbledore and Snape in the glass, and they are certainly not his enemie (well, maybe Snape). I think Snape was interested simply because he was not familiar with the glass, or did not understand why Dumbledore and McGonagall were on it (He and Moody were enemies in his eyes because Moody was an auror and and he was a death eater. In reality, it was because Crouch despised Voldemort's traitors.)

Whatever Snape saw was not his own vision of his enemies, but rather Crouch/Moddy's. Does that make sense? Is that even what you're talking about?

But is Moody the owner or is Barty Crouch, Jr. the owner?

[Sinistra]

Moody probably would have been the owner of the foe glass. Remember the comprtment in the trunk filled with broken sneakerscopes? Crouch Jr. probably broke them so they would not be constantly whining to him, because he was up to no good all the time he was at Hogwarts.

Now comes a possible inconsistency, if the foe glass reflects the enemies of the owner, and it was Moody's, then why didn't Crouch Jr's face appear in the glass? It was obviously Crouch Jr's glass, that's why. Maybe it was originally Moody's but when Moody was out of commission it became the "property" of Moody/Crouch Jr. so it reflected his foes.

My head hurts.

[HogwartsChaplain]

Moody is the actual owner. Crouch Jr got hold of it when he was masquerading as Moody. The Foe Glass must actually base what it shows on the actual person who is currently in possession of it, which is why it showed Crouch Jr's enemies in GoF.

[ReLupin]

I think that at the time that Snape looked into the glass, he had already realized that Moody wasn't really Moody. He was with Dumbledore when Dumbledore realized it and he knew that Moody had his wand pointing at Harry and that Dumbledore stunned him. Snape is very smart and I'm sure he put 2 and 2 together very quickly. He didn't know who the imposter was, but he knew there was one.

Snape had been a spy so the Death Eaters thought he was one of them. Since he would have assumed that the imposter was a Death Eater, he was probably surprised that a Death Eater considered him to be an enemy.

[Sam]

Yeah, but wouldn't that imply that the Death Eaters knew that Snape was a spy, and therefore an enemy?

[HogwartsChaplain]

Maybe the person doesn't need to know who's on what side. Maybe the Foe Glass figures that out for them-- part of its magic.

[ReLupin]

Originally posted by Sam
Yeah, but wouldn't that imply that the Death Eaters knew that Snape was a spy, and therefore an enemy?
No, that's why Snape was surprised to see himself. He didn't think they knew he was an enemy. However, what Snape didn't know was that Moody/Crouch viewed him as an enemy for an entirely different reason. The one thing Crouch hated the most was a Death Eater who had gone free. Crouch thought Snape was a Death Eater who had gone free.

[i wish i knew]

I was thinking about that too. I think that Snape is a vampire so maybe since its the DADA room its a special mirror that a vampire would show up in. It would make sense for him to be interested in it. And how he really looks. Maybe he never knew how large and crooked his nose is lol. And his hair makes him look so..... well.....you know lol!

[Inkwolf]

There are a couple of other possibilities....

Dumbledore was taking care of Harry, and McGonagall was guarding Crouch, and maybe he just felt like there was nothing useful left for him to do....

As to vanity and the greasy hair--maybe he actually uses hair oil, so the greasiness is intentional? :D (No, I don't really believe that.)

But it is worth noting: Snape appeared in the glass when they were going after Moody...and he REMAINED in the glass (it was mentioned) after he recognized Barty Jr. I think the foe glass was meant to provide more proof of Snape's loyalties.

[ilovelifex1000]

I wonder if Moody knew that he had to fear Snape- does that mean that the other death eaters realize that he was a spy. Does this mean that our dear professor Snape is in danger. He might be suprised/worried to find that the death eater realize that he is a spy and his mission may be doomed from the start!
eek

[i wish i knew]

hmmmmmmmmmm

[hermiones mum]

Lets assume Snape was in the Foe Glass first of all because Crouch Jnr (in Moody mode) believed him to be a deatheater that had gone free. But when Snape looked back into the glass, possibly he had touched it and it became his possession and that HE was his own enemy. But no sign of Potter!

If you were shown that you were your own worst enemy would you be intrigues and look more deeply to try and solve how or why?

[i wish i knew]

I dont get that! LOL wait......I dont think thats true cuz even if he touches it why would it be his? I think its that he is a vampire (see ther threads) and siince it is defense aggainst the Dark arts room it could be a special mirror. MAybe vampires show up. It would make sense for him to comtinue to stare into it because he would be amazedf at it.

[Twisted-Fate]

If JK mentions it in a story indirectly . . . then it's probably important. In the end, I believe, Snape will turn out to be good. He just doesn't like the Potters and Gryffindors in general, I mean, who wouldn't after the whole house doesn't like you?

[i wish i knew]

*shrugs* but the reason that Gryffondors hate him is because he is mean to them!

[i wish i knew]

What is the foe-glass really? Its not really a mirror because you seee the people wallking outside the room. Its more of a window or a liquidy suloution like the pensieve....I think. Look in GOF where Moody takes Harry to his office to talk about why he told Cedric about the dragons. I just read that part and it doesn't say wat it is. Only that it looks like aa whuirlpool or some type of mirror to Harry.

[hpangel102]

harrypottergirl- instead of posting 2 times in a row, you can hit the edit button on the top left hand corner just in case you forgot to add something to your post.

I'm not sure really what it is.... I seem to have forgotten about it... I should be reading the books again..... ;)

[i wish i knew]

THe first post was like a week before the second one

[Padfoot127]

what is this foe glass? i don't remember anything about this...

[i wish i knew]

When Harry finmds out that Moody is really Crouch Jr in GoF and Dumbledore Mcgonnagol and Snape come to help (after the last task is all over)


But it never really says what the foe glass is. Is it a mirror? A window??? It shows enemies, but not only enemies. And whose enemies? Crouch's??? Whoever looks at it??? Moody's???

Here is everything we know about it:

~It appearss to be a mirror (what Harry geusses)
~It does NOT reflect the room
~Shadowy figures move around inside it
~None of the figures were in clear focus (the first time HArry sees it in GoF when he talks about thhe Dragons to Moody)
~Its a dark detector
~It is called both a mirror and a window in the book ("And whats the mirror for" ( HArry) "Oh thats my foeglass" (crouch as Moody) And as a window........pointed to a large trunk under the window Look for all this on page 343 Gof american hard cover edition



Moody also says "Oh thats my foe glass. See them, out there, skulking around? I'm not really in trouble until I see the whites of their eyes. That's when I open my trunk"




Whats in Moodys trunk:
~mass of spellbooks
~broken sneakoscopes, parchments and quills, invisibility cloak (or at least what looks like one)
~the real Alastor Moody


I dont know what Moody means when he says im not in trouble till i see the whites of their eyes then i go to my trunk.
Maybe he asks the real Moody what to do or somtihng.

[i wish i knew]

Originally posted by hermiones mum (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=163347#post163347))
Lets assume Snape was in the Foe Glass first of all because Crouch Jnr (in Moody mode) believed him to be a deatheater that had gone free. But when Snape looked back into the glass, possibly he had touched it and it became his possession and that HE was his own enemy. But no sign of Potter!

If you were shown that you were your own worst enemy would you be intrigues and look more deeply to try and solve how or why?


I dont get that! Er wouldnt JKR say that he touched the foe glass? And what do you mean by still no sign of potter?

[HermioneGranger414]

Originally posted by harrypottergirl333 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=174579#post174579))
When Harry finmds out that Moody is really Crouch Jr in GoF and Dumbledore Mcgonnagol and Snape come to help (after the last task is all over)


But it never really says what the foe glass is. Is it a mirror? A window??? It shows enemies, but not only enemies. And whose enemies? Crouch's??? Whoever looks at it??? Moody's???

Here is everything we know about it:

~It appearss to be a mirror (what Harry geusses)
~It does NOT reflect the room
~Shadowy figures move around inside it
~None of the figures were in clear focus (the first time HArry sees it in GoF when he talks about thhe Dragons to Moody)
~Its a dark detector
~It is called both a mirror and a window in the book ("And whats the mirror for" ( HArry) "Oh thats my foeglass" (crouch as Moody) And as a window........pointed to a large trunk under the window Look for all this on page 343 Gof american hard cover edition



Moody also says "Oh thats my foe glass. See them, out there, skulking around? I'm not really in trouble until I see the whites of their eyes. That's when I open my trunk"




Whats in Moodys trunk:
~mass of spellbooks
~broken sneakoscopes, parchments and quills, invisibility cloak (or at least what looks like one)
~the real Alastor Moody


I dont know what Moody means when he says im not in trouble till i see the whites of their eyes then i go to my trunk.
Maybe he asks the real Moody what to do or somtihng.

It never does say whose enemies it shows. I don't think it's whoever looks into it, because are Dumbledore, McGonagol, and Snape Harry's enemies? I don't think so. It may show everyone who looks into it, but an enemie will shine into the room or do somthing strange.

[Mike21]

If you read the pencitive scene again you will see that Moody wears a look of deep sceptism when Kharkorof names Snape as a spy and Dumblebore says"He is now no more of a death eater than me." Harry sees that Moody wears a look of deep sceptism.
This shows that Moody views Snape as an enemy.This would explain why Dumbledore, Harry and McGonnall did not show up in the foe glass after Barty jnr. had been discovered.

[i wish i knew]

But Dumbledore, McGonnagol, and Harry are in the mirror too, but Snapes stares into it for such a long time.

[Cat]

Originally posted by harrypottergirl333 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=173960#post173960))
What is the foe-glass really? Its not really a mirror because you seee the people wallking outside the room.


It's the second magic mirror of the series. The Mirror of Erised didn't show true reflections, either.
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I think the Foe Glass was showing Crouch Jr's enemies the whole time. Goodness knows why the mirror decided that Crouch was its new master, if it originally belonged to the real Mad Eye. Perhaps it didn't originally belong to Mad Eye, but Crouch Jr bought it before the start of term to add to his museum of Moody reference material. Or perhaps the magic mirror recognised the face of its owner, something which polyjuice potion took care of.

[Scotlandking85]

I wonder if Harry will get a Foe glass or any new Dark detectors

[Padme Granger]

Originally posted by Thayet (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=9930#post9930))
Hmmm....I didnt really notice that either. Perhaps it was seeing himself in a FOE glass that made him wonder who's side he was really on, and to think of where his loyalty lies.




This reminds me of something Snape said to Quirril in PS/SS. hmmmmmmmmm. Most interesting . . .


Well, to me anyway.:D

[i wish i knew]

But why wsa he so interested in the mirror? I don't think it's about loyalties.

[orclev]

He could've simply glanced into the mirror out of pure habit. Some people look in the mirror every time they walk into a room with a mirror (whether they're vain or not doesn't really matter too much).
Either that or he had seen one before and knew what it was, but hadn't actually seen people's reflections in it before so he was curious.
We could be all wrong and it could be something we haven't yet thought of.
It's certainly something to think about though. Hmmm...

[Hpmons]

Where does it say that Snape was looking in the foeglass? I dont remember reading that...

[Linda]

What strikes me about the foe glass is that several times JKR says these people are in it -- Snape, DD, and McGonagall. Rather than focusing on Snape, I'm wondering if we're not to figure out whose NOT in the foe glass. Help me out on this.

Why isn't Crouch in it? OK, maybe he's too far away, down in the maze with Diggory's parents. But you get the idea. Is there anyone who should've been in it who wasn't?

[smartypants]

Yeah, they have to be close for you to see who they are. Otherwise they are just blurs.

But I still think Crouch is evil. ;)

[supernatural]

thats an intersting thought- how would the foe glass know whos foes to reflect- unless they would reflect the foes of whoever was looking in the mirror- but then that would not explain harry seeing everyone coming before crouch/moody.
the foe glass seems really complex- do you think it will appear again in future???
:??:

[dobbyhassecrets]

I don't think the foe glass will appear in the future having such a large role as it did here. IT may just appear when we get to meet the real mad eye moody. Otherwords, though it is a very interesting magical item, i doubt it will have an entry of importance in later books.

[MadMagic]

Unless Harry spends a great deal of time with Moody in the future, I don't see why we would see it either.

[Weatherby]

Perhaps the foe glass was just showing Crouch Jr. himself? If it belonged to the real Moody anyway..

[GrangerGal]

I just think Foe Glass shows whoever is coming after the owner of the Foe glass. At that moment, people were coming after Moody. They didn't know WHO he REALLY was! The Foe Glass reflects those who are after its master (Crouch as Moody) and that is why Snape, DD, and McGonagall were reflected in it. Everyone who burst into the room was in the reflection. So it knows when people want to attack its master. It doesnt necessarily know WHO is the enemy before hand. Instead it knows who is against its master and when they decide to attack it reflects them and the closer they get the stronger their image! I really don't think it goes deeper than that but hey I could be wrong since you never know with JKR!

[sugarquill]

I dont know if there is a thread about this but I didnt find anything in search. Why didnt Harry see himself in the foe glass. I mean Crouch wanted to kill him , that qualifies him as an enemy dontcha think. So why wasnt he among the foes????

Book 5 get here quick or I'll be wondering why winky was wearing perriwinkle!!!:banghead:

[Sinistra]

The foe glass was Crouch Jr's so it reflected *his* foes, not Harry's. And Harry was not a foe of Crouch Jr. because he had no idea who he was or what he wanted to do. Not until too late. Dumbledore and Co. were coming after Crouch Jr. therefore they were true foes, and a danger (which is what the foe glass supposedly warns about). Does this make sense?

[smartypants]

Very much sense.

[jordmundt6]

Interesting note: Snape is identified as a foe. Which probably means that Crouch Jr. saw him as a traitor and not a possible ally. Gonna be some dangerous times for Snape if he can't even fool the kid.

[MadMagic]

I think Sinistra explained it well.

As for Snape seeing himself, it could be explained two ways. First that Crouch Jr. knew that Snape was a traitor and therefore a foe. But it could also come from Crouch Jr. hate for deateaters who went free. He says that he hates free DE's more than anything so it would make sense that he would see them as enemies. And since Snape is a free DE that could be why he was in the foe glass. Either way, Snape did seem very interested when he was being shown as a foe.

[Alastor D]

I think the foe glass shows those who are after you for the very moment. I can't understand how McGonagall would be considered a foe otherwise.

[sugarquill]

Actually Harry was very much a foe of crouch's, he was out to distroy his master. Crouch knew who he was and what he was and that made him and Harry enemies. IMO the foe glass shows you your enemies wheather they know they are or not, otherwise what good is it. If we follow the, he had no idea logic , then that applys to all of them they all thought crouch was moody.

[EvilMeghan]

I'm sure Dumbledore offered some short explanation to McGonnagal on the trip from the Quidditch field to Moody's office. When she realized that Moody was actually someone who intended to harm Harry, she became his foe. And she is also (obviously) on the side of good.

[dorcasderr]

Perhaps the foe glass picks up the INTENT of the people approaching the owner of the foe glass. The group approaching Crouch, jr./Moody at that time INTENDED to stop him from what he was about to do. Their intent was very much at odds with Crouch, jr.'s plan so the foe glass perceived them as enemies..

[DocHollidaywe]

Sinistra explained why Harry wasnt in the glass.

[familiar]

Perhaps the foe glass only shows the foes of the person who actually owns the glass. I don't think crouch felt very intimidated by Harry so perhaps the glass has some sort of psychic link to its owner, and Harry was subsequently not displayed in the glass. This implies that the foe glass can be wrong. This would also mean that the foe glass belonged to Crouch, and not to Moody.

As to why Winky was wearing Periwinkle - perhaps because her name is Winky? Arrghhh! The last month waiting for the book is going to be the worst! :banghead:

[GrangerGal]

Also Harry was not coming to "get" Crouch in fact he was in shock from his encounters with Voldemort, his hurt leg, and the surprise that Crouch wasnt Moody. The Foe glass only shows those people who are going to "attack" its owner. Crouch was the owner in Moody's disguise so the glass only reflected those who were coming to get its master. Basically Harry is an "enemy" but not a threat. I think the Foe glass only shows those enemies that are threats to its owner.

[Weatherby]

But was the foe glass Crouch Jr's? Could it have been the real Mad Eye Moodys?

[rusk]

Harry also posed no real threat to Crouch Jr at that time. Crouch would have killed him if it wasn't for Dumbledor.

Perhaps the Foe Glass only shows your foes who are close, and pose a threat to you.

[sugarquill]

Ok so it shows the intent, hmm, yeah makes sense.

[onetruegryffindor]

was it Crouch Jr. foe glass i was under the impression it was Moody's -the real Moody's

[rotsiepots]

Originally posted by sugarquill (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=307196#post307196))
Actually Harry was very much a foe of crouch's, he was out to distroy his master. Crouch knew who he was and what he was and that made him and Harry enemies. IMO the foe glass shows you your enemies wheather they know they are or not, otherwise what good is it. If we follow the, he had no idea logic , then that applys to all of them they all thought crouch was moody.


You have to remember that at this point in the series, Harry isn't actively seeking out Voldemort to destroy him. It seems to be the reverse; Voldemort attempts to capture Harry to destroy him. Harry wasn't sitting in pseudo-Moody's office with the intention of destroying Voldemort, he just wanted to relax after the turbulent events of the third task. Thus he wasn't really posing a threat to anyone, explaining his non-appearance in the foe glass.

Had Harry identified pseudo-Moody as a fraud, the foe glass may have shown his face. Harry had no reason to suspect him, however, and therefore wasn't considered a foe.

[GrangerGal]

Weatherby
"But was the foe glass Crouch Jr's? Could it have been the real Mad Eye Moodys?"

I think it could have been Moody's but the foe glass only reflects who is coming after its master... it does not realize why or how. It also does not differentiate between new and old foes only who wants to harm its master. So it sees its master (Moody aka Crouch) and whow is coming after him. Or there could be a way to instruct the mirror to reflect your foes. There could be a charm, trick, or spell to make the mirror reflect your own that way people could buy used Foe Glass. It doesn't seem plausible that it would be Crouch's b/c where would he get the money for it unless his father got it to help protect and watch his son.

[jordmundt6]

Or Crouch could have just bewitched it with a Confoundus Charm to show his foes and not Moody's. We know he's exceptionally good at those if he worked on on the Goblet of Fire. But he couldn't bewitch the Sneakascope, could he? Had to trash it. It's always the little things that trip you up.

[Sinistra]

Also, what constitutes ownership? Crouch/Moody placed it on the wall, and was *using* it for his own protection. And the idea that there is a charm to *activate* the foe glass may also be a way to establish the person who it is attuned to.

[sugarquill]

I think that its like the mirror of eresed, or however you spell it, it works on whomever is staring at it at that particular time.

[GrangerGal]

Maybe but wasn't Harry staring at it and not Crouch Jr. I think there has to be a spell or a way to activate the mirror to work for you.

[rotsiepots]

I'm going to merge this thread with an existing topic that was just restored to the Great Hall entitled The Foe Glass (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?s=&threadid=421).

:)

[GlassRoses314]

I've done a search and couldn't find anything so if a thread similar to this one exists somewhere, please point me in the right direction.


I'm a bit confused as to how the Foe-Glass works. I know it's supposed to reflect your enemies, but I'm not sure how it works. Are the enemies the grey foggy ones? And why was Dumbledore, McGonagall, and Snape reflected in it at the end of GoF?

If someone could please clear this up for me, I'd greatly appriciate it!

[Alastor D]

I believe that the grey foggy ones are foes too far away to harm the owner of the glass for the moment.
As Dumbledore said, at the moment Moody took Harry away he realised that he wasn't the real Moody. At that moment Dumbledore as well as McGonagall and Snape became enemies. Therefore they were visible in the glass when they approached the door to Moody's office.

[Kaonashi]

i thinkt hat the person who is in possiession of the foe glass would look in the mirror to see how close enemies are to them. the mirror shows nothing else except the user's foes. The farther away they are the foggier they look. The closer they are to you the more clearer and distinct the images get. In GoF the fake Moody told Harry "when my foes are visible i know to fire when I see the whites of their eyes" or something like that. When the fake Moody was telling Harry that he was the Death Eater at Hogwarts and basically spilling his guts harry noticed that the iamges in the Foe-Glass were becoming more clearer, more distinct, but the fake Moody ranting and raving had his back to it and never turned around to see if anyone was coming. Since the fake Moody was Barty Crouch and a Death Eater to boot who tried to help Harry get killed and Dumbledore, Snape and McGonnagal obviously had their suspicions about him and were coming after him they would quite naturally be Barty Crouch's foes. That's why they appeared in the Foe-Glass.

[periwinkle-blue]

Hmm... I myself am still intrigued at how the foe glass works, but Alastor D and Kaonashi made a good point about the distance/fogginess relevance of the figures mirrorred in it.

I'm not sure but maybe some of the theories have been discussed in the thread The Foe Glass (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=421). Merge, perhaps?

[whizbang121]

Did anyone notice how Snape seemed interested when he saw himself in the Foe Glass (with Dumbledore and McGonagall)?

I'm thinking he may have been wondering himself about his own alliegance, and looking in the mirror for confirmation that he really was against the Death Eaters (and, by extension, Voldemort). Or perhaps he still is evil, and was checking the foe glass to make sure his ruse was still effected.

Who has other thoughts?Moody's foe glass, like Harry's sneakoscope, can sometimes cause more confusion than clear it up. Since it was in the possession of Crouch Jr at the time, was it showing his enemies or the real Moody's?

[alpha_hazard]

I hope this is not me being redundant, but...
Did anybody else wonder why in OotP Harry did not see anybody in the Foe Glass at the final D.A. meeting...I mean, obviously, he wasn't looking, but you'd think somebody would have said, "Hey, umbridge is in that mirror there!" or something along those lines...

[Dead Star]

I think he was just curious. And remember how the fake Moody said that the Secrecy Sensor had been humming ever since he got to Hogwarts, he had to disable his Sneakoscope because it wouldn't stop whistling? And then how Dumbledore, McGonagall and Snape were seen in the Foe-Glass? Well I reckon all those devices (which were Moody's) KNEW he wasn't the real Moody. Snape didn't at the time, so he was probably wondering why he was in the Foe-Glass, if he even knew what it was. I think this gives us some insight into where Snape's loyalties lie. The threee of them can't be Moody's enemies as they're all in the Order.

[Serpentina]

In OotP the foe glass shows up again, (in the Room of Requirements) but it's broken. Do you have an idea who could break it?

[Nicole]

I hope this is not me being redundant, but...
Did anybody else wonder why in OotP Harry did not see anybody in the Foe Glass at the final D.A. meeting...I mean, obviously, he wasn't looking, but you'd think somebody would have said, "Hey, umbridge is in that mirror there!" or something along those lines...

The Foe-Glass does not clearly show enemies until they are close enough to threaten with their physical presence. "The foggy shapes were sharpening...Harry could the outlines of three people", people Harry knew, but were still unrecognizable (or he would have identified them). A little more dialogue follows, the door crashes open, Harry sees/identifies Dumbledore, Snape and McGonagall in the Foe-Glass which makes him turn around to see the actual three in the doorway. If Moody/Crouch had turned around or used the magical eye to see the Foe-Glass, he would have noticed the shapes becoming distinct. Different outcome then, huh?

So Harry and the DA could not have seen anyone in the Foe-Glass until they were fairly close to them.

When Harry, Ron and Hermione enter the Room of Requirement they see a large, cracked Foe-Glass that "Harry was sure had hung, the previous year, in the fake Moody's office." Was it the same one? Does that give a hint to ownership being Crouch, Jr.'s? Or did the real Moody get a new one because this one is cracked? (Still works, though.) How does the Room of Requirement fill up with the right stuff? Magical creation? Borrowing?

[LouisaB]

I noticed that Snape was interested in who was shown in the mirror.

I wondered if perhaps he was wondering when he became clearly recognisable. The mirror was supposed to show shadowy figures until the owner was being closed in on. Then those who are closing in appear clearly (Harry would probably be a shadow in the background in my opinion).

I did wonder if perhaps Snape was wondering whether Crouch had had time to get a warning to Voldemort about him being in the mirror.

If he had maybe that would be why Voldemort referred to "one who I believe has left me forever".

It all depends very much on when he became visible. Snape seems to be very good at figuring things out...he had Quirrell sussed from an early stage. Perhaps he was also figuring out Crouch early than we thought.

[Tonks04]

Good point, Snape did have Quirrel figured out and he probably did have Crouch figured out, somehow, i think he was looking in the foe glass maybe to see if he really was a foe or not, i mean if he wasnt in there then he would still be a suppoter of LV