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Potters Goblet
January 25th, 2005, 3:57 pm
God’s Day


The Bible says that God made the world in six days. He then rested on the seventh. On Earth, a "day” is 24 Earth hours long. On the planet Mars, a “day” lasts approximately 30 minutes longer than it does on Earth. Mercury takes approximately 58.7 Earth days to complete one Mercurial day while the planet Jupiter completes its day in just 9.9 Earth hours. Every known planet in our solar system rotates on its axis at a different rate and a different angle. The closest to our 24-hour day is Mars, but even its axis and speed of rotation are different, relative to the size of the red planet. Therefore, not one single known planet has a "day” like any another; just as no two snowflakes that fall in winter have the same crystal pattern. If you believe, as I do, that God made the universe and everything in it, then you must believe that God made Mars, Jupiter, Mercury, Uranus and every other planet in our solar system, just as He made Earth. God made the stars and numbered them, just as he numbered the grains of sand on the land and the hairs in each one of our heads. Who among us, according to God’s own written word, knows the number of grains of sand on Earth? Who among you can number the hairs on your own head?

So, when The Bible says that God made the world in six days, whose time clock was he using? Earth? Mars? Mercury? Jupiter? Planet X? If God made all the planets, from which planet did God come? And which planet is synchronized with whatever type of clock God uses to tell time? Assume for a second that there's been life on Mars at some point. Even if it is not "life" as we think of it when we think of human or mammalian life, there has been life on at least Mars that we can confirm and there is evidence that cellular life may have existed on other planets and/or moons in our very solar system. Why, then, are we to be so vain as to say that God created the world in 6 periods of 24 Earth hours and totally discount the theories of Evolution or of the Earth being millions of years old?

God didn't even create Man first. He created animals before he created Mankind. The Bible confirms that. So we know that the beasts of the air and of the water and those crawling on land were here before us. Are we so small minded as to think that God created the eagle on Tuesday and then got around to us sometime Friday evening?

We can reasonably assume that God did not first create the planet with humans in mind. If he had created the planets with human life in mind, why, then, are we the only planet in the known solar system with any life remotely resembling human or mammalian of any kind? If God loved human life so much, wouldn't He have placed something close to it on the other planets in our solar system? If nothing else, it gives him a better shot at producing a race of humanoid creatures that will use free will correctly, rather than as we have done it here. If God is truly the omnipotent, all-powerful being we humans profess him to be – And I believe Him to be that very thing! – is it outside the scope of his powers to take a monkey, shave some of the hair off, teach him to talk, walk upright and call him Adam? Is it out of God's scope of power to cause an asteroid that is 5 billion light-years from our planet to come crashing down, destroying the lives of creatures such as dinosaurs? Is it out of the scope of His powers to make it take 100 million years for life to again start thriving, just because he wants to do it that way? God's supposed to be eternal, is He not? What is a day to God? According to The Bible, The oldest man to ever live was almost 1,000 years old when he died. (Source: The book of Genesis in The Bible) What's the average lifespan today? 80 to 90 years old? Less than one hundredth what it was in Biblical times. God himself says that our entire lifespan isn't even a blink of His eye so how much more is 100 million years to a being that is the very definition of eternal?

As Christians, we are called to believe in God's unending ability to create and, according to the stories of Noah and the flood, destroy. Why, then, do we find it so hard to believe that he would use an asteroid to erase life on the very same planet he once turned into a giant fish tank with 40 days and nights of rain? Why do we find it so hard to accept God's hand in Man being little more than a talking monkey? It is proven in many scientific circles that chimp DNA and human DNA is less than 2 percent different. Which means that we're 98 percent chimp or they are 98 percent Human. Take your pick for either one is technically true.

Science and Religion always seem to come into conflict when, if they stop and think about it, they really don't have to argue at all! Having spent nearly 30 years being exposed to both of them, I often wonder why the conflict exists when the explanation is so clear to me. God exists. It was his hand that caused whatever explosion we now refer to as the "big bang". He took nothing, a huge "void" as The Bible calls it, and created the entire Heavens and the universe. It was His hand that divided the waters from the land and this sea from that sea. It was His hand that caused whales to live in the water, horses to gallop on land and eagles to fly in the air. It was his hand that created the first man, whether that man was named Adam, Eddie, Wallace, Hezekiah, John, Jonah, Moishe, Ruben, George or "Ugh!" (And while we're on the subject of creation, who are we to stay that God created Man first? If women are the ones that have babies, is it possible that God created Eve first and then Adam? And maybe some guy decided that it made men seem smaller somehow – less important – not to be made first? I'm not saying that's true. I'm asking is it possible? Which came first, the chicken or the egg?)

Now that we've established that it was His hand, look more in-depth at His age. If we are able to trace back the Biblical lineage to Adam, human life is said to be a mere few thousand years old. How old is God? Is God older than, say, 5,000 Human years? Is God older than 50,000 human years? While it's reasonable to assume the answer is yes, the fact is we do not know. As with anything else it's a matter of faith. When The Bible says God has always been and always will be, the fact remains that we, as humans, are incapable of numbering "always." This is where the finite mind of man again clashes with the infinite intelligence of God. Human vanity and pride in his own accomplishments often causes mankind to think they have stumbled upon the answer simply because they believe it as a matter of faith. While faith is tantamount to the Christian religion, even God's own word says that Faith without works is dead. So, if we are to believe in something, should we not work to prove it to be true, even if we are unable to prove one way or the other? If you believe that God made the world in six days, prove to me what that means. Prove to me he divided all of the waters from the land in one twenty-four hour period. Prove to me that everything was done in our time. Prove that to me and you disprove the very basis for belief in God. Faith is about waiting for God's time to have its chance. When we pray for things to come to pass, they do not always come in our time. They do not come when we think we need them. Rarely is there such a thing as instant gratification. Rather they come when God knows we are ready to receive them. Faith knows that God's time is different from our time. Faith is about believing that things will come to pass according to God's will in God's due time. Faith is total submission to God's will and God's timeline. So how vain is it for us to believe he created the Earth within the finite constraints of six human days that he himself created? God created the day and the night. He divided the light from dark. He created Jupiter, which has a day 9.9 hours in length. He created Mercury with its two-month-long daytime period. He created Uranus with its 18-hour day and Pluto with its unique elliptical orbit. Is it possible that God created the Earth in six periods of twenty-four human hours? Sure. He can create in a split second or take 100 million years if he decides. He's God. It's not our decision. Ultimately, it's His.

Midnightsfire
January 25th, 2005, 4:30 pm
God’s Day... The exact time is not specified in the Bible. (not that I recall anyway)

When Christians speak of one day equalling an age or thereabouts, there repeating what was discovered about the Hindu religion, where it is said that one of Brahma's day equals millenia.

Scheherezade
January 25th, 2005, 5:20 pm
No one knows.

Potters Goblet
January 25th, 2005, 6:11 pm
I think you both missed my point. When Christians talk about time.... as in how old the world is for example... They begin with The Bible. Most Christians that I know interpret The Bible to mean that God made the world in six periods of 24 earth hours. To me that always seemed very ignorant on our parts. Seems awefully rude of us doesn't it? Awefully arrogant to assume we know the mind of God. Rather to limit God to our time frame. A day to God, the God I believe in, is like 10,000 years, and 10,000 years like a day. Time, to God, has no meaning. Yet the human mind has the world created in six human days and the entire history of the earth boiling down to like 5,000 years. That doesn't make any sense to me. If there is evidence of fossil life (dinosaurs et al) that are hundreds of thousands of years old or even millions of years old, who's to say a DAY to God is 24 hours long?

I think that the world truly is like billions of years old. And I think that God created it in His time. In his patient omnipotent time. We humans are impatient. We can't wait. We want it done NOW NOW NOW! But does the world work that way? No. So it strikes me as horrible ignorant to assume the creator of the universe would work that way.

This is ultimately my question. Sure no one knows. But the point is to offer opinions. To offer opinions from finite minds on the mind of an infinite intelligence.

Sherlock Holmes
January 25th, 2005, 6:35 pm
I think perhaps more is being made of this question than is necessary. God is eternal, so the concept of time is not limiting on Him. He's beyond time, so asking how long a day is to Him is a bit of a non-question. It's a problem that doesn't apply to Him. However, when He wrote the Bible (or, specifically, inspired men to write the Bible), He was using human terms to express what He did. Therefore, it seems quite reasonable to me to take "a day" to mean what we think it means on first reading. It seems from the Genesis account that He was also creating time and the concept of a week, in the process of the rest of His creation.

Likewise, the passage in I Peter that said a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day to God shouldn't be taken literally, I think. Again, God is beyond time, which is what Peter is getting at: God's concept of "long time" or "short time" regarding punishment for sins (which is the context for that passage) is completely different from our conception, as illustrated by the different between a day and a thousand years.

NeuroComp
January 25th, 2005, 6:54 pm
the sidereal is 24.25 to be more accurate...as humans however froma psychological standpoint we quantified the term day meaning daylight and nightfall periods...so came the sundial...its interesting though why 12:00am starts at night rather then on sunset....but i guess they needed a static system.

but as SH said...the bible was written by man...so i'm sure men gave their biases while attempting to portray gods view...of course it is limited like you(or ignorant) but thats what man is...on average as a whole we can't fanthom large scale things...like modelling
consciousness.

Potters Goblet
January 25th, 2005, 7:11 pm
I think perhaps more is being made of this question than is necessary. God is eternal, so the concept of time is not limiting on Him. He's beyond time, so asking how long a day is to Him is a bit of a non-question. It's a problem that doesn't apply to Him. However, when He wrote the Bible (or, specifically, inspired men to write the Bible), He was using human terms to express what He did. Therefore, it seems quite reasonable to me to take "a day" to mean what we think it means on first reading. It seems from the Genesis account that He was also creating time and the concept of a week, in the process of the rest of His creation.

Likewise, the passage in I Peter that said a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day to God shouldn't be taken literally, I think. Again, God is beyond time, which is what Peter is getting at: God's concept of "long time" or "short time" regarding punishment for sins (which is the context for that passage) is completely different from our conception, as illustrated by the different between a day and a thousand years.


I'm really not trying to be rude though. It seems I'm running into the same problem that I always get into. Nobody wants to offer an honest guess/opinion as to what a day is to God. is it 24 hours like the day his human creation celebrates or is it not? When he created the world, did he create it in six 24 hour periods or six stages of time that (while meaningful to us) have no meaning to him because (as I said before) he's patient and essentially can do things whenever and however He wishes? Did it really take millions of human years for life to appear here on earth?
He created time because the birds of the air, the fish of the sea and the creatures of the land were finite beings. They would need somethin to reference. at least that's my opinion. humans and animals age. We start as babies and get steadily bigger, steadily older. We're like our own little universe, ever-expanding. But eventually we die. Time is finite to us, INFINITE to God.

So if time is INFINITE to God, whose "Day" was he using to create the world? Did man simply apply the word "Day" in authoring The Bible? Did God really create the world in STAGES rather than days?

Are religion and science more closely linked than either is willing to realize? THESE are the questions to ponder here.

Sherlock Holmes
January 25th, 2005, 10:12 pm
We're coming at it from different perspectives, I think. Given that God is eternal, without beginning or end, that means that time has no meaning to Him. In which case, in God's world (separate from and greater than our conception of the world), there is no such thing as "days". When He speaks of doing this or that in a day, or of doing something "before" or "after," that's God putting His actions into our language, words that we can understand from our limited perspective.

I think that God inspired men to write that He created the world in six 24-hour days (I think 24 hours because that's our normal conception of a day, and God was putting His work into our language). Since time didn't exist at the "time" of creation, that's not precisely correct, but it's a way of explaining the creation in a way that we can understand.

From this perspective, I don't see a difference between stages and days. Essentially, it seems that He created the world outside of the restrictions of time, thus it's really not proper to say that the creation of the world "took" any time at all. Nevertheless, that was how God chose to describe it.

Of course, it's equally possible that He created time first and that, had some human been watching, the events of creation would have taken seven rotations of the earth. God would still be outside of time, but working inside of time.

By analogy, try this: "If there was a color that only God could see, what color would that be?" Likewise, "If God is outside of time, what is time to Him?" is not only unanswerable, it's not a logical question that can be logically answered.

Apologies if I rambled a bit, I was working things out as I wrote. :D

NeuroComp
January 25th, 2005, 10:21 pm
out of curiousity do either of you know when the 24 hour time period was created? was it back when the bible was written....I thought it was ~500AD...though i do not know much about sundial...i didn't think they represented time in 24 hours

Sherlock Holmes
January 26th, 2005, 12:45 am
No, I'm sorry, I don't know the origin of the 24-hour day, and a bit of googling didn't help. Time was originally based on the solar year and the spin of the earth (day/night). Interestingly, the measurement of time has now been divorced from anything that the sun or the moon do, and it's also been demonstrated that time is not constant: a clock farther from the pull of gravity will run faster than a clock closer to the pull of gravity (thank Einstein for that).

I would guess, therefore, that the 24 hours were the best way to divide up the day, as measured by sundials or water clocks. Here's something from Britannica. (http://www.britannica.com/clockworks/article3.html)

snuggle the muggle
January 26th, 2005, 12:50 pm
I'll answer your question if you really want to know. 1000 years. I know that everyone will wonder where I got that definite of an answer, but I am LDS and believe in modern-day revelation and it has been revealed to prophets in this modern age that one day to God is 1000 years to us. I will find the reference if someone is interested at all.

However, now that I have said that, I do not believe the earth was created in 7,000 years either. I think when they use the word "day" in Genesis, it really means more like "period" or era. Some would disagree, but I am a firm believer that God uses natural processes to work and I think it would have taken much longer than 7,000 years to allow all the plants and animals and things to get firmly established on the earth.


I disagree with you, Potter's Goblet, about how the fact that there is no other life on other planets in our solar system shows that God did not create the earth for us. I don't understand your logic on that. We believe that God created "worlds without end" and that many of them have life on them, just not any that we know about. Many scientists now agree that with all the stars we are starting to learn about that have planets circling them, that chances are there is more life out there, just not nearby. I think the fact that our little planet spinning through space has all of the necessary ingredients to sustain life when it is obviously fairly difficult for a planet to do so is even more evidence that God supervised and put earth exactly where it needed to be in relation to the sun and the other planets so that we could be here and enjoy life.

Pilum
January 26th, 2005, 1:12 pm
Doesn't Genesis actually say something like :"...And the sun rose and set: the Xth day."? Fairly clear.

RE 24 hours. The Sumerians (I think) had a thing about 6 and it's multiples. They liked an hour to have 60 subdivisions and those subdivisions to have 60 subdivisions. If you then arrange those subdivisions in to a day, you need 24 of them. Not the best way of explaining but I'm short on time at the mo. Google and libraries should take you further here. Why it stayed I don't know, but probably because they did it first and it seemed to fit, and what with the usual academic osmosis spread throughout the ancient world.

Midnightsfire
January 26th, 2005, 3:31 pm
One day of Brahma (http://www.indiaheritage.com/rendez/article1.htm) is 4,320,000,000 human years.

One second is 100,000 human years.

At the beginning of every day creation starts. At the end of the day all that was created merge in the Absolute and Brahma ‘sleeps’ as it were. 360 such days and nights make one year of Brahma. According to the Puranas, He has spent 50 years like this and this day is the first day in his fifty-first year.

According to Hindu religion and cosmology the flow of Time is eternal. Creation and Dissolution are only two events in a long cyclic succession of Cosmic events. There is no beginning in the past and there is no end to the future. Creation is a manifestation in concrete terms of the Absolute. Dissolution is when all the created universe merges in the Absolute. And that is when the period of non-manifestation begins. The periods of manifestation and of non-manifestation alternate. These are the days and nights of Brahma.

Brahma Himself is a manifestation of the Absolute. He has a life of 100 years in His time.

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Hmf...this seems rather clear.

LewsTherin
January 27th, 2005, 1:30 am
As I understand it, the wording used for the creative "Days" in Genesis is the same as every other "Day" mentione afterwards, so they were 24-hour days. One must remember that the account of creation given in Genesis describes not one but two creative processes; the original creation (vs 1) and then a reconstruction (vs 2 onwards). It does not say how long it took to originally create the universe, so any speculation as to how long God took to originally make things is pointless.

I think that a "Day" for God has not got anything to do with hours, or minutes, or years or any human concept of time. The Bible says that God does not sleep, so he has no need of a 'night time' and no need of days as we know them. A "Day" to God, probably refers more to a period of time (the Bible frequently talks about "the Day of the Lord") ordained for a specific purpose. It doesn'at bother me, to be honest.

Potters Goblet
January 27th, 2005, 2:51 am
I disagree with you, Potter's Goblet, about how the fact that there is no other life on other planets in our solar system shows that God did not create the earth for us. I don't understand your logic on that. We believe that God created "worlds without end" and that many of them have life on them, just not any that we know about. Many scientists now agree that with all the stars we are starting to learn about that have planets circling them, that chances are there is more life out there, just not nearby. I think the fact that our little planet spinning through space has all of the necessary ingredients to sustain life when it is obviously fairly difficult for a planet to do so is even more evidence that God supervised and put earth exactly where it needed to be in relation to the sun and the other planets so that we could be here and enjoy life.

My logic is this. I personally believe there IS life on other planets. What I meant by no life on other planets is that we have not met any other "alien" races have we? Earth-bound scientists have found evidence of MICROBIAL life, yes, but nothing has been reported to suggest that humanoid life or even any form of vertebrate animalian life has ever been discovered on other planets. For that matter, not so much as an inchworm has been discovered. That's all I mean.

But I think that it's very arrogant of humans to assume that life on this planet is the only life in existence.

However, that's getting off topic so I'll get back on topick by thanking Sherlock for all your valued comments. You are finally attempting to answer the question better without just dancing around suppositions like so many people tend to do. NObody can answer the question concretely. TO do so would be to claim you know the mind of God. I don't want a concrete answer. I want to hear people's opinions. I want to discuss it in an open manner. To get different opinions and see what people think because I honestly question what is meant by six days.

I personally don't think it means exactly 1000 years either. I think that stages is a better word... by that it would mean a period of days. or a period of years or A period of X... X being the unknown. The Konstant (K in scientific terms).

I think that the earth and all the universe began when God spoke the words "let there be light." as a Christian I accept that to be truth. The literal Hebrew translation is "Light in me, Be..." So it can be assumed that God literally breathed life into the universe when he spoke.

So to figure out what a day means to God you have to answer a few basic questions.
1) how tall is God?
2) How much does he weigh?
3) what is his average lung capacity? (seeing as how his BREATH caused the big bang and all)
4) What's his arm length?
5) boil it down to one question. What are God's physical dimensions?

Since no human can answer those questions, no human can accurately and concretely answer the question of what a day is to God. But what I think is that it's different for each "day". I don't think the term DAY truly has meaning. Which is why I think rather God built the universe in STAGES rather than days. He built it in STEPS. First he did Step one... might have taken a million years to do it... maybe a billion. He's God. He has forever you know.
Then he did step 2... he was a little bored though, so that one he accomplished in say 300,000 human years.... Step three he had to be real careful so he went slow, was patient and in 1.2 billion years it was complete...

Okay so I'm throwing out random numbers to illustrate my point but hopefully you won't get lost in numbers. The point is not how long it took but that he did it in stages that were NOT 24 earth hours long....

That's my feeling. That's my opinion. I think that is why Science and Religion need to just chill out. Personally, I think they're both right..... To a point.

As I understand it, the wording used for the creative "Days" in Genesis is the same as every other "Day" mentione afterwards, so they were 24-hour days. One must remember that the account of creation given in Genesis describes not one but two creative processes; the original creation (vs 1) and then a reconstruction (vs 2 onwards). It does not say how long it took to originally create the universe, so any speculation as to how long God took to originally make things is pointless.
I think that a "Day" for God has not got anything to do with hours, or minutes, or years or any human concept of time. The Bible says that God does not sleep, so he has no need of a 'night time' and no need of days as we know them. A "Day" to God, probably refers more to a period of time (the Bible frequently talks about "the Day of the Lord") ordained for a specific purpose. It doesn'at bother me, to be honest.

How can it be pointless when it's exactly my point? It's not that i'm looking for a concrete answer as I already said. I just want to know what people think. Do they take it literally to mean 24 earth hours or to mean something else? Given the evidence that a day on other planets is different what truly constitutes a day? We think of a day in human terms because why? We're human. But what's a day to an ant? What's a day to a bird, a dog or a cow? And finally what's a day to the Creator of all of them (and us)?

People seem to be afraid to question things. I find great joy in questioning. I guess I'm in the minority but I always feel that it brings me closer to understanding God... something i'll never fully achieve but something I feel is very important to pursue.

NeuroComp
January 27th, 2005, 3:13 am
but then it begs teh question why would a man write the bible using the word "days" instead of period or stages? Or is that a translational mistake...cuz Days is a quantified term...meaning 24 hours or 24.25 or sidereal or daylight/nightlight, whichever def'n you choose. Why would a man knowingly write sucha word that is finite. When there are so many other ways to describe what god would deem time period. As for physical dimensions...do you believe taht god is anywhere and everywhere and conscious to the billions of people begging for his attention at any one given moment?. As a individual, I cannot comprehend how sucha god could answer so many prayers in one night...unless of course he uses the angels...but then that would not be his word.

LewsTherin
January 27th, 2005, 4:48 am
How can it be pointless when it's exactly my point? It's not that i'm looking for a concrete answer as I already said. I just want to know what people think. Do they take it literally to mean 24 earth hours or to mean something else? Given the evidence that a day on other planets is different what truly constitutes a day? We think of a day in human terms because why? We're human. But what's a day to an ant? What's a day to a bird, a dog or a cow? And finally what's a day to the Creator of all of them (and us)?
Well, since the Bible refers to a Day as a day on Earth (it was humans, under Divine inspiration, who wrote it) I consider the six days of Genesis to have been literal 24-hour earth days. God did not create life on other planets, so the length of their day is not important to us. As for ants, or dogs, or cows; God is not concerned with them. He is concerned with Humans. Animals do what He created them to do, that is, go about their business. It is us Humans with whom He has a personal interest.

And as I said: a day to God is something, most probably, beyond our comprehension. As the Bible says: "For as high as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts higher than your thoughts." God does not sleep, nor does He tire. He has no need for days. His is perfect time, which is quite beyond our ability to understand.

As for life on other planets; that is highly unlikely. All the planets we have found have been either gas giants or far too close to their stars to support life. If we are the only life in the universe, it only highlights the importance God places on us.

NeuroComp
January 27th, 2005, 11:26 am
what about mars?, and there is like 2-3 planets out there discovered in the past 10 years that are water planets.

Potters Goblet
January 27th, 2005, 3:34 pm
Well, since the Bible refers to a Day as a day on Earth (it was humans, under Divine inspiration, who wrote it) I consider the six days of Genesis to have been literal 24-hour earth days. God did not create life on other planets, so the length of their day is not important to us. As for ants, or dogs, or cows; God is not concerned with them. He is concerned with Humans. Animals do what He created them to do, that is, go about their business. It is us Humans with whom He has a personal interest.

And as I said: a day to God is something, most probably, beyond our comprehension. As the Bible says: "For as high as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts higher than your thoughts." God does not sleep, nor does He tire. He has no need for days. His is perfect time, which is quite beyond our ability to understand.
As for life on other planets; that is highly unlikely. All the planets we have found have been either gas giants or far too close to their stars to support life. If we are the only life in the universe, it only highlights the importance God places on us.

It was actually "word" such as this that made me question God's concept of a "day." What is a day to someone that's eternal you know? This is basically where my whole question came from. Eternity is just that, eternal. Without beginning, without end. Every human life has its beginning and its end. Every animal life, heck every CELLULAR life has a beginning and an end.... (Skin cells die, organ and tissue cells die....etc. I think even things like amoeba cease to exist at some point... while not a physical "death" it's akin to death because they're not "living" anymore.) Our days are numbered, just as the hairs of our head are numbered. But God's days are not numbered because you can't number eternity anymore than you can say god is this tall or weighs this much or the stride of his footstep is this wide.

I really didn't mean for this to get into a discussion about Christianity. There are many people from non-christian religions that have thoughts on what a day is to their GOD. But as a Christian, my only reference is to the God I worship and that is my question I suppose. That is my quest. To understand my God better.

And to call into question conventional acceptance that the day God's word refers to is 24 earth hours. I believe God created Jupiter as well as Earth. If he didn't who created Jupiter? Okay so why would he make a 9.9 hour day on Jupiter but a 24 hour day on Earth? Why make a day on Mercury be 50 some odd earth days long? This illustrates the meaninglessness of time to God. Because he didn't make everything uniform.

And remember that Jesus made the comment about how God takes care of the birds of the air and the beasts of the field.... God loves all of his creations, not just Man. He has a special plan for man, yes, which is why we communicate the way we do, but Dolphins have their own communication, as do Wolves, dogs, cats, birds, etc. They have different understanding of the way the world works, but they have understanding nonetheless. WE can not communicate with them but then again if you don't speak spanish you can't speak with a spanish-speaking HUMAN either can you? Without sign language or something. How would you communicate with a "person" from Mars? Do you speak Martian? All beasts of God's creation (Whether human, animal, bird, worm or fish) are able to communicate in some way.

The way dolphins communicate with other dolphins is no different than an english speaking person communicating with another english speaking person. A dolphin might not be able to communicate with a bird very well, but neither can I speak to a german person in a way that they'd understand.

Time, language, even the concept of THOUGHT.... these are all human concepts. It's impossible, I guess, to throw out your humanity and truly answer the question of what a day is to God, but again, my best guess is that it's meaningless to a point.

I think the big bang theory is correct to a point. I believe the world is billions of human years old. I believe billions of years ago, God spoke and said "Light in me, BE!" and the resulting effect on our human world was what we humans refer to as the Big Bang theory. Whether or not we have all the details right is a discussion for another thread, but that's what I believe. And I believe that over the course of billions of years, God has watched as the universe continues to expand. He has watched his creation in much the same way we would watch THE SIMS play out on our computer screen. Occasionally we put them to bed, send them to potty or force them off to work. We celebrate their promotions and mourn their losses with them (as writers often do with their characters.) But we are finite gods, lacking in Universal Intelligence that would truly qualify us as deities.

A day to The Sims is about 45 human minutes long. (depending on the speed you're playing at... I play at faster speeds sometimes so the day might only last 20 minutes) I doubt any sim has ever wondered what a day means to their creator, but often times I feel like I'm stuck in some warped version of that Game, just waiting to be deleted and brought back in so that all my mood bars and energy can be back where they once were!

and maybe through that process I'll gain the understanding I long for.

LewsTherin
January 28th, 2005, 4:43 am
The understanding you long for can be found in the Bible. I once asked very much the same questions, but I realized that they are not important. As the Bible says; "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God." Do that, and you will recieve all the answers you desire.

Potters Goblet
January 28th, 2005, 2:42 pm
The understanding you long for can be found in the Bible. I once asked very much the same questions, but I realized that they are not important. As the Bible says; "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God." Do that, and you will recieve all the answers you desire.
Oh I do.... believe me :-D

I just have a natural curiosity about me. I think it's the writer in me. I'm a bit of a peter pan. I never grew up. Of course being diagnosed with pituitary cancer will do wonders for how you approach life. It'll make you appreciate child-like curiosity.... at least it has me

NeuroComp
January 28th, 2005, 6:52 pm
hmmm i don't know if science should be brought in...but that'd give you your answer to jupiter adn the other sidereals. As to answer why god would have made those days...(if you believe god and science can mend together then there's your answer(i'm and atheist,but my sis are/?were?christians))...

god knows the physics of the stellar material and planetary material...At one point he made Jupiter out to be some distance from the sun at his leisure adn the resulting #s that we have today came from the evolution of that planet over time. THus he created earth to be i guess "perfect" and the other planets he made maybe because he was experimenting with humans...those numbers that the other planets have must fit inorder to not crash teh solar system..

Btw I was just pondering this topic and I would like to pose one of my own....
What language does God converse in?? Heh i thought it was always english but thats just stupid. Obviously he should konwevery language from teh dawn of time....but then for multilingual people does he converse in the language of their choosing. But at one time he must have known only 1...what was it?

Thædin
January 28th, 2005, 11:07 pm
To answer the above question, God speaks in tongues...everyone understands him in the language they were brought up in, the language they think in.

Aidan_Mclaren
January 29th, 2005, 4:33 pm
I'm a christian, and I think that it's irrelevant wether or not we know how long a "day" for God was.

trickcy
January 30th, 2005, 3:27 pm
According to Hindu religion, one day of Brahma who lives in Brahmaloka is a cycle of four yugas i.e - Satya, Treta, Dwapara and kali. We are presently in the Kali Yuga. Now 5000 years have passed in the Kali yuga.

salem_phoenix
February 1st, 2005, 1:41 am
I guess I am a creationist AND evolutionist. Yes, God created the universe, but he also created a set of rules to go along with it. So how long is a day to God? However long God wants it to be. To a being that has been around forever, just one day can seem like ages to us mortals.

Potters Goblet
February 1st, 2005, 4:47 pm
I guess I am a creationist AND evolutionist. Yes, God created the universe, but he also created a set of rules to go along with it. So how long is a day to God? However long God wants it to be. To a being that has been around forever, just one day can seem like ages to us mortals.


This is along the lilnes of what I believe. I think there's no concrete finite answer to what an actual DAY is to God. I believe if you said "How's your day, God?" He'd answer you that there is no day to him but that he's doing great, concidering he's so busy running the universe. I do not believe God sleeps, nor does he get sick or take a vacation. As I believe in Heaven, I do not believe there are such things as Night and Day. He created those things for our HUMAN universe and after we become a part of the Universal Intelligence (when we die) We will no longer have need for light and dark, night and day either. But we, unlike God, are not eternal. Humans I mean. Our shells are finite.

So what's a day in Heaven? Eternity if you're going by when the sun comes up vs when it goes down. The "sun" never goes down in heaven. (I don't believe.) 10,000 years if the songs are to be believed and accepted as canon truth..... adjustable, indefinable periods of millions, perhaps billions of human years, separted into periods of universal development.

I also believe that God created laws to govern how the world functions... (the earth goes around the sun, the moon around the earth, etc....) because it teaches us our place in the universe. It was a way of humbling us, by eliminating our ability to control the universe, or at least controlling much of it.

NeuroComp
February 1st, 2005, 5:34 pm
in that line of thought and seeing as god is all powerful..and someone answer my above question that god speaks in all tongues ...then perhaps god reforms to the unit of measure of who he talks to ....so a day to god when talking to humans is a day....
other wise there is no concept of day to god.

Dawn_Potter
February 24th, 2005, 2:53 pm
I think that they used the word "day" to make it something that people could understand... if they had written 124827534897235684739845 Earth Years no normal person would have been able to get an image of that... a day is something everyone understands

HarryPotter
February 24th, 2005, 6:47 pm
I think it is all a metaphor, a way of telling people in the shape of a story, a tale about facts that they all could understand, from children to old people, no matter the culture or the historic time they lived...