If the Private conversations between Hermione and other female students were written

[enthusiast]

There would be more of a female perspective available if more of the private conversations between Hermione and other female students were written in the books, but as Harry is the main character it is quite understandable that there is not much that can go on without his being part. Though we do get snippets of information of conversations that have happened between Hermione and Ginny.

Examples of more information that would be available would be a look into the girls dormitory in Gryffindor. There are so many scenes in the boys dormitory.

As of the end of Order of the Phoenix do you think that any of the female students could be called Hermione's friend besides Ginny? Her classmates from the year, for example Lavender Brown and Parvati Patil, do not seem to have much in common with Hermione. Hermione and Luna seem to be working together on such things as the Quibbler article, but I do not know that I would call them friends. What do you think?

Sarah

[crystal_joy]

I really don't understand how a female perspective would change anything, or contribute that much to the books.

[moonriver]

I think it would be cool to get Hermione's perspective on things, but i don't see how it would fit in the books.

[enthusiast]

I think it would contribute to the books to know even more about the main characters and this thread was just an idea of how we could learn more about Hermione.

Thanks for your replies,
Sarah

[crystal_joy]

I think it would contribute to the books to know even more about the main characters and this thread was just an idea of how we could learn more about Hermione.

Yes, I agree it would be interesting to learn more about the main characters, but It was the part about conversations with other females that I didn't quite understand. :)

Well, :welcome: to the forum.

[moonriver]

i do agree that we would learn a lot more about the main characters with another POV.
i think it would be cool to write a fanfic from Hermione's POV. hmm....maybe i will one day

[Holly is Short]

Hmm, I don't think it would have had much inpact. Not really a reason for Hermione's Pov. Nor any of the other girls. I would think different if it was like the first chapter of GoF ... telling the story in no ones pov. Then I would think it was a good idea. But then there'd also have to be a very good reason for it. :D

[crystal_joy]

I agree with Holly, I don't think there would be much to gain from seeing things from another point of view. And since the books are about Harry Potter, I don't think J.K.R. will ever write something from another P.O.V. just for the sake of learning more about the other characters... in the grand scheme of things other characters are almost irrelevant, especially the younger ones. Harry will be the one to take down the Dark Lord, yes, he is going to need alot of help from his friends, but when it comes down to it... it's just Harry and Voldemort.

Also, I'm not sure if the point of this thread is to learn more about Hermione or if a female point of view would be beneficial to the books - but there is a thread over in Divination (HP books from other character's point of view (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=44761&highlight=point+of+view)) that you might want to look at about P.OV.

[Flee From Death]

It would be pretty cool if we could hear what Hermione talks about in the dormitory, though as others have said it would be tricky to include in the books. We had hints in OotP like when Hermione tells Harry one of the girls in her dorm thought he was lying about Voldy, or what all the girls in the toilet are saying, but we've never heard a direct conversation.

I wonder if she does have any close female friends? Ginny and her appear to be getting closer, but you're right -- she doesn't get on with the Gryffindor girls in her year all that well. I don't mean there's any specific antimosity between them, just they don't seem close. Perhaps she gets on better with some of the slightly older girls? She likes doing magic above her level, maybe she has NEWT-level friends.

I doubt we'll see these kind of conversations in future books -- JKR had to ditch the Draco/Theo Nott conversation -- but it's a lot of fun to fill in the details!

[enthusiast]

Thank you everyone for your replies.

Holly is Short is correct the first chapter of Goblet of Fire was interesting that it was different from most of the rest of the book as far as point of view is concerned.

Thanks,
Sarah

[Wimsey]

The primary issue is the narrative style. With the exception of the opening chapter of P/SS, it is all told from Harry's point of view. It is a first person subjective told in a second hand (which has some term or another - it's been years since I bothered with such things).

JKR telling the story like this allows her to develop a narrative theme as well as the story themes.

We actually do get quite a bit from Hermione's point of view. We just do not get her (or Ron's or anyone else's) private thoughts. At best, we get Harry's inferences of them.

[SnapeLova]

i think that it is interesting to get perspectives of other characters in the story but jk wont change up now...would you be talking about getting a different point of view as well as harrys or just like something happening to hermione when harry is not around?

[enthusiast]

By my post I was not suggesting any change in how the books are written, but imagining the additional information that might come up.

Thanks again for all the replies,
Sarah

[Evita82]

Well I think it would be facinating to hear Hermione's take on lighter issues like boys when she's around other girls. I dont think shes one of those giggling girls but surely she's had to talk about boys sometime! Also I'd like to hear the more serious conversations between GInny and Hermione.

[Blue_Eyes]

If we could hear a conversation with Hermione and another girl I don't think it would be that interesting. I mean Hermione is a logical smart girl. Those kind of girls don't get along with other girls and if Hermione talked about guys I would be a little shocked. It is nice that Hermione is getting closer to Ginny but they're not going to get real close because Hermione is too advanced for her. It would be interestign to hear her conversations with older students but girls would just be a bore.

[lunasloony]

On the topic of Hermione and her friends...
Yeah, its very true that Hermione doesnt get along very well with Lavender and Parvati and I think the main reason being, as Blue_Eyes mentioned, Hermione is a very smart, logical girl, who im sure is too mature to have "girly" conversations with Parvati and Lavender. That's also probably why she has guy friends (ie. Ron and Harry).

Im not sure about anyone else, but since we never are given any insight as to what conversations might be held in the girls dorm, I feel a little distant to Hermione. She's a very mysterious character... I think there is alot more to her than we think and we are shown through Harry's perspective. I think this unknown side of Hermione will be further reveiled in Books 6 and 7, and play a very significant role for Harry and his vanquishing of Lord Voldy.

[HesHPfan]

I always wonder what is going on in the dormatories of the girls. Does Hermoine hang with anybody else than Ginny? and does she even speak to Parvati and Lavender.

[enthusiast]

Yes, it seems Hermione is on cordial speaking terms with her classmates. Especially when they are come together as the DA group. Then Hermione also interacts on a regular basis with the older students Katie Bell, Alicia Spinnet, Angelina Johnson, and others.

We see Hermione sympathizing for Cho and even before the DA it appears that she has interactions with Cho that she mentions to Harry.

It seems that the only female students that we see Hermione disliking are the Slytherin girls who have a history of being rude to her.

Though it would be interesting to have a conversation from inside the girls dorm it has basically been ruled out by the scene where Harry and Ron try to climb the stairs and are thrown back.

I think that it is hasty to make a generalization that because Hermione is studious she would not get along with other girls. In fact it is often the reverse studious female students find it challenging to interact with male students.

As much as Hermione is praised at being advanced for her age it sounds like Ginny is right behind her by the references made to Ginny becoming powerful in her own right. I hope that they continue to become even closer friends. I would call them friends as they are drawn together by the occasions at the Burrow and at the Headquarters of the Order of the Phoenix where being the only girls they sometimes room together, have conversations together, and so forth.

The many people who have stated that girly gossiping by Hermione would be unexpected are probably correct and it was not those sort of conversations that made me start this thread. I was just stating that it might be intriguing to gain more insight into the character Hermione through her conversations with new characters.

Thanks,
Sarah

[Wab]

From what I hear while shopping and on public transport the conversations of teenage girls aren't worth hearing let alone putting into print.

[asrivathsan]

Jo mentioned long ago that she had not written her full name because if she had, the male gender would have thought of the books girlish. I consider her ability to adapt to a male character so deeply and carve out his feelings and emotios so clearly to be one of her best achievements. Indeed if the story was written from girls point of view, it would have involved less actions but more desscription of those actions. More giggles, more gossip and more sentimental(though i know already it is that, but the difference in sentiments would have been more).

Coming to the point, jo could not have added too many details of girls' talk since she always writes in harry's point of view. To describe this, she would have had to write the story in hermione's point of view, like many authors, especially fantasy writer do. But by this method, we would not have got so attached to harry, or certainly not understood him much. Admit it friends, we know harry far better than we know ron and hermione. Can we alll pity hermione as much as we pity harry when harry was extremely grumpy? I myself can't.

If jo had shown harry hearing too much of girls' talk, it would have been aukward. It would seem that he is prying into others' matters. Besides, if she starts giving too much details, her books would exceed 1000 pages mark :).

Secondly, jo certainly has had an effect by showing things as she has had and would certainly not need to do more.

[Evita82]

From what I hear while shopping and on public transport the conversations of teenage girls aren't worth hearing let alone putting into print.

Conversations of teenage girls aren't worth hearing? Excuse me. They may talk of light hearted things occasionally but not all of the conversations are twitty. Hermione is a very intelligent bright young girl, Im sure any conversation she has is worth hearing.

[enthusiast]

Thank you Wab for your reply, but there goes the generalization again. If what you say is true then the conversations of teenage boys could equally have times when they aren't worth hearing let alone putting into print. Taking your generalization further would you extend it to say that J. K. Rowling's books being about young people are not worth exploring. People of both genders at any age can contribute to conversations in a real way and those are the conversations that would be interesting. I am sure noone is seeking out mindless chatter about frivilous topics or gossip about other people as part of the continuing Harry Potter saga.

Sarah

[Wab]

More to the point conversations between other female students aren't written because (with the exception of Ginny and Luna) Hermione's relationship with the other girls has little to do with the story.

Coversations that weigh on the story have been among the trio and to a lesser extent the sextet.

(BTW mya comment was less about content than the near inarticulateness of the participants.)

[enthusiast]

Just for clarification for my own benefit would the sextet be:

Harry, Hermione, Ron, Ginny, Neville, & Luna?

Thanks,
Sarah

[wizkid6]

Yup...the six that went to the Department of Mysteries.

[moonriver]

Jo mentioned long ago that she had not written her full name because if she had, the male gender would have thought of the books girlish. I consider her ability to adapt to a male character so deeply and carve out his feelings and emotios so clearly to be one of her best achievements.

Admit it friends, we know harry far better than we know ron and hermione. Can we alll pity hermione as much as we pity harry when harry was extremely grumpy? I myself can't.


True enough. Usually girls don't have a problem reading from a boy's POV, but guy's tend to have issues with excessive girly-ness. Even though Hermione isn't nearly as giggly as the rest of the girls, i don't think the books would have been so widely successful if they were told from Hermione's POV. i still think it would be cool to know more about Ron and especially Hermione, though it isn't neccessary.

As for the pity thing, I think I might have had more sympathy for Hermione. Harry actually kind of ticked me off in the 5th. We all have our grumpy days, but i still had a hard time feeling too sorry for Harry---even though i know he's been through loads.

[asrivathsan]

As for the pity thing, I think I might have had more sympathy for Hermione. Harry actually kind of ticked me off in the 5th. We all have our grumpy days, but i still had a hard time feeling too sorry for Harry---even though i know he's been through loads.

There is truth in that :). But again, if hermione's feeling had been described then, we would have felt far more sympathetic to her, comparetively.

[loopdeedoo123]

I agree- we don't really know any of Hermione's female friends. She is said to "be sitting with Ginny" at times, but of the people in Hermione's year-- ??? Who is she friends with in the girls' dorm? I can see her being friendly to Lavender and Parvati, but...

Good point, I've thought about this also :tu:

[asrivathsan]

I don't know about you people, but mostly girls (including me) don't like people who show off, especially in case of studies. That is probably why hermione can't be close to any other girls. Harry and ron are the ones who understand her, and probably are the only ones.

[Volare]

In the PoA she didn't have any friends because of Time Turner.
In the OotP she didn't have friend because of studying

[skistar123]

If JKR ever got bored or needed money ( :huh: ) after she'd finished the series, she could rewrite the entire series through Hermione's perspective and we could see how different it was.... hehe lol in my dreams!

[Tirza]

I always wonder what is going on in the dormatories of the girls. Does Hermoine hang with anybody else than Ginny? and does she even speak to Parvati and Lavender.

I think she just doesn't particularly like girls as friends. I don't, either, and I can understand why she wouldn't. Most females I've met are either shallow, petty, or they'd rather put someone else down to make themselves feel better. Hermione seems to just value different things... knowledge, rather than clothes, hair, and boys. And it's stood her in good stead... Ginny's the only other girl who's gone on any adventures, and even then, it wasn't exactly her choice. If Hermione was shallow like the other girls, Harry first of all probably wouldn't be friends with her, and he certainly wouldn't have her along on his adventures. And she's saved him a time or two, so she hasn't been useless.

As far as Lavender and Parvati and the like, I wouldn't imagine she goes out of her way either to speak to them or to not speak to them. If they're around and they talk to her, she'll be cordial, if not, no big loss.

Then again, I sympathize with Hermione quite a bit... even now, most of my friends are guys (or specific females who act more like guys than like stereotypical girls), and the only fashion I really worry about is at least 4 centuries old. (I do medieval and renaissance recreation.)