Latter-Day Saint Thread 3: Now With Sing-alongs!

[Pegasus]

This is a continuation of The LDS Thread 2. Here is an explanation of this thread:

This thread has two purposes: a sort of "support thread" similar to the Christians Supporting Christians, but specifically for members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, otherwise known as "Mormons," since we are a definite minority here; and a place for people who have QUESTIONS to get them answered. THIS IS NOT A DEBATE THREAD. I find myself defending my beliefs all over the boards, and that is not what this thread is for.

To start out with, here (http://www.lds.org) is the official Church website.

[Rapunzel]

New thread - Yay!
Count your blessings, name them one by one.

[Pegasus]

Do you mind if I start from the beginning?
When upon life's billows you are tempest tossed

[Rapunzel]

I don't mind at all - I just thought that line was appropriate for the new thread. :D

♪♪ When you are discouraged thinking all is lost ♪♪

[Pegasus]

Count your many blessings, name them one by one

Agreed!

[Rapunzel]

And it will surprise you what the Lord has done.

(I LOVE this song. Once, about a dozen years ago or more, I was going through a very stressful time in my life, and we sang this as a closing song in sacrament meeting. I thought to myself "I don't have any blessings to count." And then, "ping", a thought came to me of a blessing, and then another and another "ping, ping, ping" - I cried. And I felt much better. :agree: )

[Pegasus]

Counting your blessings is definitely a quick pick-me-up. I'm also especially fond of We Thank Thee O God For a Prophet after the Howard W. Hunter incident at BYU. :agree:

[simplybecky]

The Howard W. Hunter incident at BYU? I don't think I've heard about that one.

One of my favorite LDS artists is Kenneth Cope. A little over a year ago I went to a concert and he had his new protege, Mindy Gledhill, touring with him. I fell in love with her music. One of my favorites is one that she sings, written by Nichole Nordeman.River God
Rolling River God
Little stones are smooth
Only once the water passes through
So I am a stone
Rough and grainy still
Trying to reconcile this River's chill

But when I close my eyes
And feel You rushing by
I know that time brings change
And change takes time
And when the sunset comes
My prayer will be this one:
That You might pick me up and notice that I am
Just a little smoother in Your hand

Sometimes raging wild
Sometimes swollen high
But never have I known this River dry
The deepest part of You
Is where I want to stay
And feel the sharpest edges wash away

And when I close my eyes
And feel You rushing by
I know that time brings change
And change takes time
And when the sunset comes
My prayer will be just one:
That You might pick me up and notice that I am
Just a little smoother in Your hand

Rolling River God
Little stones are smooth
Only once the water passes through...

[Rapunzel]

Many years ago someone stormed the podium at a BYU fireside where President Hunter was speaking. He claimed to have a bomb and tried to force President Hunter to read a statement proclaiming him (the terrorist guy) as prophet of the Church.

[simplybecky]

Yikes!

Okay, here's another one of my faves from Kenneth Cope:Face to Face
If the earth could give its witness
All creation shout its praise
If the continents and oceans
Spoke to man of their devotion
Would mortals doubt Him so
If all were now made known?

If the faithless of the ages
Were to feel His healing pow'r
If the eyes and ears He opened
Might be theirs for just a moment
Would it soften hearts of stone
If He were truly known?

Face to face
So few were in that place
When Heaven sent Messiah to reclaim this fallen race

If I could stand atop the mountain
And sound His name in every ear
If I had pow'r to tell His story
Like the angels have before me
Would more sins be swept away
If the world could sense the debt He paid?

Face to face
I'll seek Him all my days
He means more than life to me, death can't take that away

And if I can't convince a world
Then perhaps I'll reach a soul
As I tell of how He's changed me
And how I wait for Him to take me (take me home)
Then I'll worship on my knees
And kiss once-wounded feet
Though He knows of my praise
One day I'll tell Him face to face.

[Pegasus]

The Howard W. Hunter incident at BYU? I don't think I've heard about that one.Back when he was an apostle, he spoke at a devotional and Cody Judy went up to the podium and threatened him with a fake bomb. Someone started singing We Thank Thee O God For a Prophet, and soon everyone in the room was singing. Cody was so stunned that security had a chance to get control of the situation.
That's loosely how the story goes. It happened about 15 or more years ago.

[SageThyme]

Hello, thanks for the invite. I may have to just hum in the background, okay?

[simplybecky]

I would love to hear some of the hymns you know, SageThyme :p I have to say that I definitely agree with Peg (she posted it a bit back on the old thread, I think) that there is definitely a better spirit here now. I keep checking back here now because the spiritual upflift is really great. I love the new friends we've all made...life is wonderful, ain't it?

[Rosie Cotton]

What ones do we know, and SageThyme know?

[Pegasus]

I know lots of settings of Ave Maria and Kyrie, but only in Latin.

[Rosie Cotton]

What's the song of the moment, until topic arises?

[Rapunzel]

What would you like to sing, Rosie?

[Rosie Cotton]

My favorite Hymn of primary song? I have two, but one, I'm not sure you'll all know one of them.

Oh how lovely was the morning...

[Pegasus]

Radiant beamed the sun above.

[Rapunzel]

Bees were humming, sweet birds singing

[Pegasus]

Music ringing through the grove

[Rosie Cotton]

When within the shady woodland (right?)

[Pegasus]

Joseph sought the God of love.

[Rosie Cotton]

When within the shady woodland,
Joseph sought the God of Love.

[Pegasus]

Humbly kneeling, sweet appealing
'Twas the boy's first uttered prayer

[Rosie Cotton]

When the powers of sin assailing...

[Rapunzel]

Filled his soul with deep despair

[Rosie Cotton]

But undaunted still he trusted,
In his Heavenly Father's care...

[agpotter]

Wow, a new thread... Glad to have found it early on (Thanks Pegasus!) rather than when it's already in full force.

I have such a testimony of music of faith. While I'm not a huge fan of many contemporary LDS artists (Kenneth Cope is meh to me, I like some of his stuff, but not all), there are a lot of singers and songs I love. One of my favorites, Growing Young, by Jeff Simpson (who you might recognize as the voice behind several songs in God's Army). I can't find all the lyrics online, but I think I can remember the chorus:

Everybody used to tell me big boys don't cry,
But I've been around enough to know that that was the lie
That held back the tears in the eyes of a thousand Prodigal Sons...
Well we are children no more, we have sinned and grown old
And our Father still waits and He watches down the road
To see the crying boys come running back to His arms
And be growing young

I really wish I could remember the rest, or at least find them online. Anyway, that bit is pretty poignant in and of itself, and it's a great song. :)

Edit: Found the lyrics on a Christian guitar chords site. :)

[Rosie Cotton]

I really liked this one we did for a youth program, that was by Jenny Phillips. Of course, it was about the Stripling Warriors, so the Young Men got to sing it, and the Young Women got a different song.

This was the Young Men's one, as far as I can remember. The music to it is really great.

Marching, marching forward men,
We will fight until the end,
marching, marching forward men.

We trust in our God,
for He has given us liberty.
We will stand fast,
we will stand strong
We fight for Him, and
We will defend our Liberty,
We fight, we fight our God.

(Helaman solo) Now gather 'round ye men,
and Hold your banners high,
If we trust in Him,
Not one of us shall die.

(Repeat Chorus a few times and such)

It was really great. The Young Women got:


(Soloist)

I could feel His grief,
I could sense His pain,
as He heard the fate,
of His faithful servant John,
He was gone,
and as He headed for the hills,
I ran to follow Him.
[forgotten line]
[forgotten line]

(Everybody)

With just a few fishes,
and five loaves of bread,
He blessed the baskets
and thousands were fed.
If He can work such miracles,
If He can feed so many.
How can I doubt, that He will lead me,
If I believe,
He will feed me.

(repeat arrangement, la-de-dah)

[simplybecky]

And who could forget the seminary soundtracks?Strength Beyond My Own
Heaven's light flows through the windows
Warming even walls of stone
In the refuge of the temple
I find strength beyond my own

I can feel the pow'r of heaven
As I stand on holy ground
And the spirit whispers what I long to learn
Eyes are touched with understanding
I can see beyond this world
It's the place I reach for heaven
And it reaches in return

Filled with purpose
Filled with power
Granted gifts to lift the world
In God's house and in His presence
I am filled with strength to serve

I can feel the pow'r of heaven
As I stand on holy ground
And the spirit whispers what I long to learn
Eyes are touched with understanding
I can see beyond this world
It's the place I reach for heaven
And it reaches in return.

[agpotter]

Speaking of Seminary soundtracks...

Does anyone know what the song "Emily" actually means? I think it's on the Book of Mormon Seminary soundtrack, and my friends and I could never figure out what it could possibly be about.... Any ideas?

[Pegasus]

Thanks for a great thread, everyone.
SageThyme, I hope you still feel comfortable and welcome here. It's not just for singing songs you don't know--we can chat, too, and all that good stuff.

It's been a while since I was in seminary, agpotter, and I don't listen to seminary stuff much anymore, but someone else might know.

[Romy]

Sorry to interrupt your joyful singing but I thought I´ll make use of the opportunity to ask questions. Only a few hours ago I watched a documentary about a city called Colorado in, I belive, the state of Arkansas. It was about a woman who escaped from that village and now made it her purpose to help others get away. Apparently, it was a Mormon sect, but I figured that can mean a lot of things. The documentary said they promoted sexual child abuse and polygamy as well as witch hunting (all restricted to the village) as justified in the Bible. I just wanted to know what "Mormon sect" would mean in that context and how the "mainstream" church stands to people obviously abusing that name. I know the Catholic church occasionally distances itself from their more radical sects but apparently this sect in Colorado, Arkansas insisted on being Mormon.
Can someone clear that up?

[SageThyme]

Thanks, I figured that. If I'm not around at night, it's probably because I've signed off to go to bed. I think I'm about 2 hours ahead of you - I'm in Virginia. In about 4 years, when hubby retires from the Navy, we're heading back to Nebraska. It's the one place both of us can agree on to settle down at. Growing up in SoCal, I would have never thought I'd take Neb. over beaches - but having visited a few times in recent years, I can't handle the traffic and don't even want to try.

[GryffindorSeeker]

One of my favorites, Growing Young, by Jeff Simpson (who you might recognize as the voice behind several songs in God's Army). I can't find all the lyrics online, but I think I can remember the chorus:

I love that song! Here are the Lyrics:

I've gone so far from my home
Seen the world and I have known,
So many secrets
I wish now I did not know
'Cause they have crept into my heart
They have left it cold and dark and bleeding
Bleeding and falling apart

(Chorus)
And everybody used to tell me big boys don't cry
But I've been around enough to know that was the lie
That held bck the tears in the eyes of a thousand prodigal sons
Well we are children no more, we have sinned and grown old
And our Father still waits and He watches down the road
To see the crying boys come running back to His arms
And be growing young

I've seen silver turn to dross
Seen the very best there ever was
And I tell you, it ain't worth what it costs
And I remember my father's house
What I wouldn't give right now
Just to see him and hear him tell me that he loves me so much

(Repeat Chorus)

And when I though that I was all alone
It was your voice I heard calling me back home
And I wonder now Lord
What was it made me wait so long
And what kept You waiting for me all that time
Was your love stronger than my foolish prid
Will you take me back take me back and let me be your child

Cause I've been broken now, I've been saved
Learned to cry and I've learned how to pray
And I've learning, learning even I can be changed

(Repeat chorus)

Romy, those people in that documentary were not by any means members of the mormon church. Polygamy has not been a part of our church for a hundred years. Anyone in our church practicing polygamy is excommunicated. We do not believe in witch hunting, and most certainly not child abuse in any form.

[Romy]

Romy, those people in that documentary were not by any means members of the mormon church. Polygamy has not been a part of our church for a hundred years. Anyone in our church practicing polygamy is excommunicated. We do not believe in witch hunting, and most certainly not child abuse in any form.Have you heard of that case, then? I would imagine it would have caused a certain uproar in your church.

I was just wondering why they would insist to be Mormon of all things.

[Pegasus]

They call themselves Fundamentalists, and claim that they are "more Mormon" than we are, but they are most definitely not part of our church. No more so than Protestants are part of the Catholic Church.
The place you're talking about is Colorado City, Arizona, and it's right on the Utah/Arizona border. They have a sister city just over the border in Utah. They used to use this arrangement to go back and forth across state borders to avoid law enforcement.

Have you heard of that case, then? I would imagine it would have caused a certain uproar in your church.

I was just wondering why they would insist to be Mormon of all things.

They left the church when Wilford Woodruff ended polygamy, claiming he was a false prophet for doing so.
We just do our best to ignore them. There are dissidents and there are anti-Mormons--there have been since the beginning of the church. The basic policy is to avoid them and not give them the attention they crave when they try to cause trouble.
As far as their polygamy situation goes, the more I learn about it the more I wish I could do something about it, but all I can do right now is elect lawmakers who are trying to do something about it.

[simplybecky]

One thing I think is important to know about the LDS Church is that the teachings are the same throughout the entire world. I know if I go to church somewhere in California, or New York, or even England that I'm going to be learning virtually the same lessons. When I left home to come to school, someone told me the first thing I had to do when I got to school was find a good church, and I was grateful that I didn't have to do that. There are no different sects of mormonism. I guess a good rule of thumb is that if you hear about a group of people who are claiming to be LDS but practice something that is against our church then they are not the real deal. Polygomy is a big warning sign - anyone claiming to practice it now and still be part of the LDS Church is lying; they have been excommunicated. I realize that a lot of the time that, if you're not a member of the church, it's hard to tell who is really LDS and who is not; the best thing to do is to keep asking one of us, or an LDS person in your area :p

P.S. agpotter, I just listened to the song Emily and I really don't know what it's talking about either. I got the idea from parts of the song that it's about a girl who gains a testimony of the truth of the Book of Mormon and is trying to share it with her friend Emily, but with the rest of the song it's really hard to tell :huh:

[Pegasus]

Jesus said love everyone.
Treat them kindly, too.

[Romy]

They call themselves Fundamentalists, and claim that they are "more Mormon" than we are, but they are most definitely not part of our church. No more so than Protestants are part of the Catholic Church.
The place you're talking about is Colorado City, Arizona, and it's right on the Utah/Arizona border. They have a sister city just over the border in Utah. They used to use this arrangement to go back and forth across state borders to avoid law enforcement. So it is a bit like the Opus Dei church - going back to, let´s call it outdated, practices. I was thinking that the mainstream church would distance themselves from those sects but it surprises me that they can still call themselves Mormons, which, sadly, throws a bad light on the whole church. I must admit that whenever something with the name "Mormon" is on the German TV it usually involves polygamy. Of course it´s mainly for attracting of the largest audience possible to watch their channel (best news are bad news) but it makes me wonder. Was there perhaps a time when polygamy was part of the Mormon church? I just find it very peculiar that whenever such a case comes up it is almost always linked to your church in one way or another. Perhaps a change of doctrine that people don´t always agree with?

By the way, as you seem to know a little about the case, do you by any chance know how they would justify child abuse with the Bible? It really left me speechless.

They left the church when Wilford Woodruff ended polygamy, claiming he was a false prophet for doing so.
We just do our best to ignore them. There are dissidents and there are anti-Mormons--there have been since the beginning of the church. The basic policy is to avoid them and not give them the attention they crave when they try to cause trouble.
As far as their polygamy situation goes, the more I learn about it the more I wish I could do something about it, but all I can do right now is elect lawmakers who are trying to do something about it.Well, I feel fairly certain that polygamy is illegal in the US as in all western countries. ;)

Thanks for answering, by the way.

[Pegasus]

By the way, as you seem to know a little about the case, do you by any chance know how they would justify child abuse with the Bible? It really left me speechless. I think it's sad the way a lot of things get twisted. If you go to an anti-HP site, they'll tell you that it promotes human sacrifice because of those ugly plants that start as babies. I could tell you even more horrific things I thought were just rumors until an anti-polygamy advocate verified that they do, indeed happen, but this forum isn't the place for it. It can give the mainstream church a bad name, which is why you find me jumping in and correcting people.
Polygamy was once practiced by the LDS Church, and it ended over 100 years ago. There are reasons and explanations and all that good stuff, but nothing I say seems to come out right, so I'm going to let someone else do it.
And yes, it is illegal, but it's not actively enforced.

When your heart is filled with love,
Others will love you.

[agpotter]

I don't know anything about that case specifically, but there have been cases about so-called Mormons who practice some pretty crazy things. All I can say, to avoid repitition of the excellent answers already given, is that they are not practicing the true Gospel of the LDS church, but their own interpretation of it. It's hard to keep this Gospel of love going strong in the world when people like them are giving us a REALLY bad reputation... Just goes to show you can't believe everything you read, especially when it comes to religion. A lot of people who claim to be innocent and guileless have a total and malicious agenda. Rubbish like this happens all the time. *dergh*

And thanks, GryffindorSeeker, for posting those lyrics! What an amazing song, what an amazing message.

Anyway, glad to know I'm not the only one who thinks "Emily" doesn't make sense. :)

[Pegasus]

If you chance to meet a frown
Do not let it stay

[Rapunzel]

Quickly turn it upside down and smile that frown away. :)

[Rosie Cotton]

Quickly turn it upside down, and smile that frown away.

[GryffindorSeeker]

No one likes a frowning face, Change it for a smile.

No problem agpotter! I had a CD case within reach with those lyrics on it, so I just typed them up really quick. It's a great song!

[Rosie Cotton]

Make the world a better place, by smiling all the while.

[GryffindorSeeker]

A poor wayfaring Man of grief Hath often crossed me on my way.

[Ginny1976]

Thanks, I figured that. If I'm not around at night, it's probably because I've signed off to go to bed. I think I'm about 2 hours ahead of you - I'm in Virginia. In about 4 years, when hubby retires from the Navy, we're heading back to Nebraska. It's the one place both of us can agree on to settle down at. Growing up in SoCal, I would have never thought I'd take Neb. over beaches - but having visited a few times in recent years, I can't handle the traffic and don't even want to try.


I completely know what you mean!! I am from the SF Bay area and I moved to Missouri about 10 years ago and I love how peaceful it is in the midwest. I still feel safe! The schools are 10 times better, compared to what I went to! I go back home every year or so and I am just amazed at how much it costs and how many people are there. I do miss the ocean and the mountains, but that's all! Were you stationed at San Diego?? Were you ever stationed at Alameda?


And sued so humbly for relief that I could never answer nay...
(one of my FAVORITE hymns!)

[Pegasus]

I had not power to ask his name, where to he went or whence he came.

[GryffindorSeeker]

Yet there was something in his eye That won my love; I knew not why.

(Mine too)

[simplybecky]

I was thinking that the mainstream church would distance themselves from those sects but it surprises me that they can still call themselves Mormons, which, sadly, throws a bad light on the whole church.Unfortunately, this is the case a lot of the time. They really should not be calling themselves mormons, and those of us who are LDS know that, but for those that aren't, and often don't know the difference, it leaves a bad taste in the mouth. At least you know you can always come to someone here to get the truth :p

Hmmmm....another Mindy Gledhill:Child of Light
Do you ever wonder who you are
Do you ever wonder as you stare into the stars
Where you began
And how you got this far from home
Have you ever walked along the shore
Have you ever seen the water dancing back and forth
Did you look inside
To see if there was more to life

Well, there's a dream taking wing
There's a voice that wants to sing
And even in the deepest, darkest night
The torch is raised to the sky
There are hands that hold it high
You were born to keep it burning bright
You were made to fly
You were meant to shine
Child of light

You will never, ever stand alone
You were never called to bear the burdens on your own
And where there is fear
Love will take control and lead you on...

Cuz there's a dream taking wing
There's a voice that wants to sing
And even in the deepest darkest night
The torch is raised to the sky
There are hands that hold it high
You were born to keep it burning bright
You were made to fly
You were meant to shine
Child of light

There's a dream taking wing
There's a voice that wants to sing
And even in the deepest, darkest night
The torch is raised to the sky
And there are hands that hold it high
You were born to keep it burning bright
You were made to fly
You were meant to shine
Child of light.

[SageThyme]

Ginny, When my hubby and I got married, he flew from VA to CA on a Fri, we got married on Sat, he flew back to VA on Sun. The following Wed I got in my car and drove cross-country to Virginia Beach, VA. 5 months later we were stationed at Lemoore NAS (Naval Air Station) - it's dead center of CA, if anyone looks at a map - our son was born there. Next, San Diego for 3 years. Our daughter was born then. Next, the absolute, most wonderful base in the entire world (dripping heavily with sarcasm) - Fallon, Nevada. After 2 years there, it was off to play nice with the Air Force for 3 years at STRATCOM in Omaha, Nebraska. Now we're here in D.C. for 3 and then off to, hopefully, VA Beach again. He wants his final cruise in the Navy to be a Mediterranean one and he has to be stationed on an East Coast carrier for that.

The closest I got to Alameda was when my husband and I visited SF with our then 4 month old son (boy, that seems sooooo long ago - seeing how he's now 11 years old).

Growing up so close to San Diego and frequently visiting, I can remember when they were building your temple in La Jolla and driving by it every time I went down there. It truly is a grand, beautiful building. "Kissed by the California Sun" and it brilliantly shines.

[Ginny1976]

Wow, Sagethyme, you've been around! But then, that sounds like a typical navy family. I grew up in Alameda, with the base there, had many good Navy friends. Actually, most of my best friends were in the navy. It was always sad seeing them go.
My husband(wasn't my husband then) was serving his mission in San Diego when the Temple was being built. I haven't been to that temple yet, but I hear that it almost caused accidents on the freeway. It is a very beautiful temple and very unique in the design.
How did you like SF? How did it compare to So Cal? I've been to So Cal a few times and it's really different from No Cal. I didn't like it as much.
As for me, I got married and 2 weeks later, my husband and I moved to Missouri for a Football scholarship for my husband. We liked it here, couldn't afford to move back, and knew that it was where the Lord wanted us, so we stayed. And then 8 years and 3 children later, we moved to central Missouri for a job and now I'm here 2 years and one child more. It's hard being away from our family, they are all in Cal. But we talk weely and see eachother every year or so.
And I'll just add that it's nice to have you in this thread. It's always nice to meet a kindred spirit! :)

[simplybecky]

Growing up so close to San Diego and frequently visiting, I can remember when they were building your temple in La Jolla and driving by it every time I went down there. It truly is a grand, beautiful building. "Kissed by the California Sun" and it brilliantly shines.I remember when the temple was finished, the youth in our ward went down for the open house. I wasn't old enough to be a part of the youth program yet (I think I was only 10, maybe 11), but I got to go on the trip because my dad was the bishop at the time. That was the first time I got to go through the temple for an open house. The only others I have been through are Fresno and Nauvoo. I just love that you can feel the Spirit so strong inside, and even those who aren't members recognize that there is something special about those buildings. Going through the Nauvoo temple, you cannot help but remember the sacrifices the saints made when building the original, only to have to leave it behind and then have it destroyed by a fire and a tornado. I'm so glad it was finally rebuilt!

Speaking of temples, has anyone seen the designs for the new Sacramento temple? It is supposed to be finished by the end of this year. By the designs it is already one of my favorites (I'm partial to Sacramento, because my family lives near there now) and I think if I had to choose, that's where I would be married. If you haven't seen it yet, follow this (http://www.lds.org/temples/main/0,11204,1919-1-170-0,00.html) link.

[kjr99044]

On that Emily song -- I am unsure about it, but I vaguely remember a film we watched in Seminary where a girl was asked to try and help a girl out who hadn't really been to church. After some attempts, it turned out that a way was opened for them to become friends, and because of that friendship the one who wasn't going to church started going. There was a second clip involved there, I think.

If anyone recognizes the video I am describing, maybe they could verify it, expand on what I've said, or correct me. *shrug*

I love the song Strength Beyond My Own Thanks for posting it.

“WITH FAITH IN EVERY FOOTSTEP”
a song by K. Newell Dayley (see copyright below)

A marvelous work has begun to come forth among all the children of men.
O ye that embark in the service of God, give heart, mind, and strength unto him;
For prophets have spoken and angels have come to lift the world from sin,
That Christ may reign over all the earth and bless his gathered kin.

CHORUS
With faith in every footstep, we follow Christ, the Lord;
And filled with hope through his pure love, we sing with one accord.

Those marvelous Saints who embraced this great work and shared it in lands far and near;
Who gave all their heart, mind, and strength to the Lord with wisdom and vision so clear;
Now stand as examples of virtue and faith, of souls prepared to hear,
Of knowledge sure, born of humble heart, and love that banished fear.

If we now desire to assist in this work and thrust in our sickle with might,
If we will embark in the service of God to harvest in fields that are white;
Our souls may receive the salvation of God-the fullness of His light,
That we may stand, free of sin and blame, God's glory in our sight.

text and music: K. Newell Dayley, b. 1939
© 1996 LDS. All rights reserved. This hymn may be copied for incidental, noncommercial use.
This notice must appear on each copy made.

[SageThyme]

Ginny, even before all that, I was born in Manhattan New York, then moved to Scotch Plains New Jersey about a year and a half later - my brother was born there. About 2 years later we moved to Nashville Tennessee. About 2 years later we moved to Anaheim Calif. And, no, my father wasn't military - he was a salesman.

I've been from one coast to the other and back again, with a few points in between. Now you all know why I'm "Up around the bend". :D

I've also visited Hawaii, the Caribbean, Mexico, Europe 3 times - Spain, Portugal, France and Germany. I'd really like to visit Australia - my husband got to visit on his last "Cruise" aboard the carrier USS John D. Stennis. He's pretty much sailed around the world aboard a carrier.

[StephyJ_83]

This is a thread of Mormons supporting Mormons? Oh! I need this thread!!!

[simplybecky]

:welcome: StephyJ_83; it's so great to have you here!

:wow: Wow, SageThyme, you have been all over the place! That's amazing...I would love to be able to visit some of the places you've been. Also, I really hope to be able to go to Italy someday; I might possibly have the chance to do an internship there next spring...I'm crossing my fingers!

My mom's dad was in the Air Force and so they moved around a lot. Her brother was born in Guam, and she spent her four years of high school in Japan and they loved it. That's where they adopted her other brother, and now his legal name is a mix between Japanese and Austrian/Czechoslovakian; I love seeing the looks on peoples' faces when they learn his name :p My dad was also in the Air Force Reserves and he went all over the place. In fact, it would be easier to list the states he hasn't been to, and he has also been to quite a few countries as well.

Unfortunately, the only place outside the states that I've been to is Canada, but I would really love to see the world. I love the testimony found in the Book of Mormon which, in part, says:"The scriptures are laid before thee, yea, and all things denote there is a God; yea, even the earth, and all the things that are upon the face of it, yeah, and its motion, yeah, and also all the planets which move in their regular form do witness that there is a Supreme Creator." Alma 30:44For those who have been able to travel about the beautiful land, we know the truth of this scripture. It's amazing to see the hand of the Lord wherever we go; even if we don't get to travel that much, it's still wonderful that we can see it in our own backyards :p

[agpotter]

Hey, stephyj! It's great to see you here (I would know those signature pictures anywhere!).

[StephyJ_83]

hey! I haven't been on in a while. I've missed it.

[Pegasus]

Hi, everyone! I just got back from my second really successful choir practice. I stiil have a long way to go before I can stop practicing in the mirror, but I don't feel overwhelmed or anxious anymore.

[SageThyme]

Yeah, Peg!!!:clap::D

[Pegasus]

Thanks! :D I've never conducted music before, so this is a brand new experience.

[SageThyme]

I was just in the "Moral Character" thread and was very distressed to read Crookshanksmom's post (#16). The implication is not good.:scared:

[Pegasus]

Oh, my. Hm. Lots of love vibes to everyone who might feel that way...

[agpotter]

I've been thinking of auditioning for the Spring Opera production of Pirates of Penzance at BYU on Tuesday... I don't know why, but it makes me nervous.... I've been in that play twice, but always as a generic pirate. If I were in it this time, I would want to be a lead part, or it wouldn't really be worth my last semester at BYU (I know, it sounds a little snotty, but meh).

Just thought I would put this out there by way of conversation. :)

[Pegasus]

Do it. Sounds great. I love Pirates of Penzance. Will the performances be in April?

Your last semester? Does that mean you're actually graduating at age 23? That's amazing!

[agpotter]

No, graduating at 24 actually (birthday in a couple weeks). :) I just worry that they'll just take people who are actually in the choral/opera program (which I'm definitely not). I'm not sure when the performances will be, but I think they must be either April or May....

[Pegasus]

I didn't think it was possible to graduate from BYU in four years! :lol:

[simplybecky]

agpotter, go for it; what have you got to lose? If you don't get the part you don't have to stay, but think of what a wonderful experience that would be your last semester if you did it? (And, think of what a stressful experience it would be as well...aren't I a stick in the mud? :rotfl:)

One thing I regret is not getting very involved with the arts here. I'm trying to fix that by getting involved the the Singer/Songwriter Association on campus. It is so much fun hearing the beautiful music others write and getting inspiration from each other to write more beautiful music. You'll be hardpressed to find elsewhere the camaraderie found among those who enjoy the arts :p

[Pegasus]

There's always the New Music concerts, or whatever you call them. You can put together a bunch of swamplike sounds and make people think you're a genius. :evil:

[agpotter]

simplybecky, are you at BYU???

And yes, I think I will go for it. I just have to decide what to sing (is it stupid to sing something FROM Pirates? I think that would be the best for me...).

And actually.... This is my sixth (and final!) year at BYU... Not fourth. So for all I know, it IS impossible to graduate in four years. :)

[SageThyme]

As far as graduating college anywhere in 4 years, I find it amazing. Although, the military academies do get you out in 4. My husband says that he liked it so much, he stuck around for a couple more years. Me too.:D

[Pegasus]

Sorry, agpotter--I just assumed you started when you were 18 and took two years off. Did you start college a year early? It still seems rather compressed to me.
SageThyme, did you get your degree? I got a two year, but I'll have to wait for my four year.

[SageThyme]

Yeah, I got a Bachelor's in Biology from California State University, Fullerton (CSUF).
My hubby got his Bachelor's in Manufacturing Engineering from Cal State Univ Long Beach. Last year he got his Master's in Aeronautical Engineering from Embry-Riddle. I haven't decided if I want to get my Master's yet - I'll see what happens "when I grow up" :rotfl: (I'm 41 now)

[Pegasus]

Wow, that's quite impressive.

[agpotter]

I did start when I was 18, but I didn't get the chance to do the whole two years off thing... I think you know what I mean. :)

So yeah, six years straight.

[GryffindorSeeker]

Good luck with trying out, agpotter. I mean, if you're actually going to do it. Good luck in any case! ;)

[Pegasus]

Good luck, indeed! And a happy graduation, too! :D

[Ana-Magus]

Yes, good luck to you agpotter! If you are going to sing a P o' P song, I don't think I need to tell you which song you should sing. ;)

[agpotter]

Well, since I would most like to get the part of Frederick, I think "Oh, Is There Not One Maiden Breast" would be the best choice... It's clever and witty, but still tenderish... :)

[Ana-Magus]

Well, since I would most like to get the part of Frederick, I think "Oh, Is There Not One Maiden Breast" would be the best choice... It's clever and witty, but still tenderish... :)

Ooooo, forgot about that one. It's been about 15 years since I was involved with a production (yes, I'm old). I was never on stage though, always in the pit!

[Pegasus]

I've only seen the movie. I love that movie.

[simplybecky]

No, agpotter, I'm at BYU-Idaho. I love it here, it's really beautiful; it's also a lot smaller which is more my taste :p My little sister actually just got into BYU, though. She will be there in the summer.

I'm actually going to have to take the other side of things. It's been awhile since I've been in any production of any sort, but from what I remember, they liked to hear you audition with a song that was not from the particular show you're auditioning for. If they call you back, that's when they want to hear something from the show. I think it gives them an idea of your range of creativity, not just tied to that particular show. I could be wrong, but I would recommend singing something from a different show entirely.

To add to the conversation, it does seem to be getting more and more impossible to finish a four-year degree in four years. I goofed off a bit so things are a little different for me, but I started when I was 18 and I won't be done with all my classes until December of this year, and I'll be 23 (near 24). Also, although I will be done with my classes, I probably won't graduate until April (after I'm already 24) because I'm hoping to do an internship next spring (let's cross our fingers that I get to go to Italy for that...which reminds me, I just bought a Book of Mormon in Italian today :p).

Hmmm...I think it's time for another song...another Nichole Nordeman, sung by Kenneth Cope :pEvery Season
Every evening sky, an invitation
To trace the patterned stars
And early in July, a celebration
For freedom that is ours
And I notice You in children's games
In those who watch them from the shade
Every drop of sun is full of fun and wonder
You are summer

And even when the trees have just surrendered
To the harvest time
Forfeiting their leaves in late September
And sending us inside
Still I notice You when change begins
And I am braced for colder winds
I will offer thanks for what has been and what's to come
You are autumn

And everything in time and under Heaven
Finally falls asleep
Wrapped in blankets white, all creation
Shivers underneath
Still I notice You when branches crack
And in my breath on frosted glass
Even now in death You open doors for life to enter
You are winter

And everything that's new has bravely surfaced
Teaching us to breathe
And what was frozen through is newly purposed
Turning all things green
So it is with You and how You make me new
With every season's change
And so it will be, as You are recreating me
Summer, autumn, winter, spring...

[Ana-Magus]

I'm actually going to have to take the other side of things. It's been awhile since I've been in any production of any sort, but from what I remember, they liked to hear you audition with a song that was not from the particular show you're auditioning for. If they call you back, that's when they want to hear something from the show. I think it gives them an idea of your range of creativity, not just tied to that particular show. I could be wrong, but I would recommend singing something from a different show entirely.

She has a point. It's like wearing the t-shirt of the band you are going to see live..."Don't be that guy" :lol:

For your first audition (because you will, of course, be called back) you should pick something that shows your range!

[simplybecky]

For your first audition (because you will, of course, be called back) you should pick something that shows your range!Yes, I should have made that point clear: you will be called back, agpotter! (Especially if your singing skills are anywhere near the caliber of your art skills :rotfl:)

[agpotter]

Heh, thanks all... I think I will go for it. I know it's slightly tacky to sing a song from the show you're auditioning for... The only reason I would do that is because the sign-up sheet says we're supposed to sing something from an English comedy piece (which makes me think operetta, or something of the like). Since I'm not terribly familiar with other operettas, or other Gilbert & Sullivan pieces at that, I wouldn't know exactly what to sing....

Into the Woods is kind of operetta-ish I think....

Anyway, I actually have made a sampler CD with a guy in my ward who has awesome recording equipment at his house. I made a four-track CD for my Mom for Christmas, and also have a rather crappy recording of me singing I Know That My Redeemer Lives live... If anyone's interested in hearing them, I could try to post them online, or maybe even send them via MSN? I would love to hear everyone's thoughts and feedback on them.

Anyway, thanks for the encouragment all.

[Rapunzel]

Which Part Is Mine?
words and music by Michael Mclean

She was only a dairy man's daughter,
she was only a child of thirteen;
but the stars on the radio brightened her nights with a dream.
So she called up her best girlfriend Jenny
'cause she thought they would make quite a pair,
She said, "Let's you and me, try to sing harmony
at the amateur night at the fair."
But she only had the range of an alto,
so the part she knew best went to her friend.
And when Jenny's soprano drowned out the piano
they'd have to start over again.
And the dairyman's daughter would then say,

"Which part is mine?
and Jen, which part is yours?
Could you tell me one more time;
I'm never quite sure.
And I won't cross the line
like I have before.
So please help me learn which part is mine,
and which part is yours."

She grew up and got married to Bobby
kept him working on his MBA
they had two little redheaded children,
and one on the way.
Everybody said she could work wonders,
and she wondered what everyone meant.
She played so many roles, it was taking its toll
and she feared that her time was misspent.
So she opened her heart to her husband.
They discussed everything on her list.
from the kids, to the job,
to her feelings for her Bob.
But what it really boiled down to was this: She said:

"Which part is mine?
and Bob, which part is yours?
Let's review it one more time;
I guess I'm not sure.
And I won't cross the line
like I have before
if we just define which part is mine,
and which part is yours."

Every sleepless night knows many mothers
who are wond'ring if they've done alright.
And the dairyman's daughter knew
more than a few of those nights.
Had she given her son too much freedom?
Had she smothered her two teenage girls?
Did she spoil them too much or not trust them enough
to prepare them for life in this world?
So she opened her heart to the heavens
and she spoke of her children by name.
And the prayer that she prayed
that her kids would be saved had a very familiar refrain.

Which part is mine?
And God, which part is yours?
Could you tell me one more time,
I'm never quite sure.
And I won't cross the line
like I have before.
But it gets so confusing some times.
Should I do more, or trust the divine?
Please, just help me define which part's mine,
and which part is yours.

[Pegasus]

Rapunzel, that is my song. When combined with the "Can you hear me?" part that follows it, that is. Poignant answer to prayer during my first year of college (which is also when I was making the decision to marry my husband and having roommate troubles. Lots going on all at once).

[Rapunzel]

I bought the cassette when someone I knew was dealing with the issues in "From God's Arms to My Arms to Yours" -- which will make me cry every time I listen to it.

[SageThyme]

Hey all, I have a major decision regarding my father's care. I've just been told we are at the point of no return and he either has his lower leg amputated to just below the knee or let the one gangrenous toe fall off and he eventually bleeds to death in about 24-36 hours. However, removing the lower leg will not buy him but 4-6 weeks of life and the possibility of surviving the surgery is about 1-10% because he is on a blood thinner and he is in the final stage of renal failure. (I think that's all of it)

The biggest obstacle I face with him is the same one Voldemort has - fear of death. Also, he's not the same religion as I am, so I can't use what I know. However, do you think it might help if I told him that my Mom and brother will be waiting there for him and will show him the way?

[agpotter]

I'm very sorry to hear about your father's condition. Since I'm fairly sure you're not LDS, I know you don't exactly share our views on death (and life thereafter), but I can tell you for myself that death is nothing to be afraid of--it's not the end. Depending on your father's relationship with your mom and brother, I would say you should tell him that they're going to be there. Any kind of comfort in that kind of situation usually helps.

I wish I could be of more help. All I can say is that I've been there myself, and it's been an inexplicable comfort to know that this life is NOT the end. There is so much more, and I know your father is going to a better place when the times comes (Frankly, I'm a little jealous.... One of these days it will be my turn... :) ).

Edit: I misunderstood your initial post...

[SageThyme]

ag, I'm Catholic and I do believe in an afterlife, it's trying to get my father to believe again (he's Lutheran).

He and my mother were married for 43 years before my mother passed away Sep 19, 2003. My brother was 38 when he passed away last June 20, 2004. Both of them were Catholic but I believe my father will be welcome if he's with them.

[Rapunzel]

We went through something somewhat similar with my grandmother. And what we didn't find out until after the funeral was that myself, my sister, my mother, my father, and both of my aunts, had at different times told her that it was OK for her to go on, that she had taken care of her family here and now it was time for her to go on and be a mother to the son she had lost when he was in his teens.

Whatever your father's religious beliefs have been up to this point, unless he's a hard core athiest who refuses to believe there is any life after death at all, I can't imagine but what it would be a comfort to him for you to tell him that his loved ones are waiting on the other side.

EDIT: Sorry, SageThyme, I was a little slow and didn't see your post before I finished mine. I don't know what the Lutherans believe about an afterlife, but even if your father is unsure whether there is a life after this or not, I still think that thought would bring him comfort.

[SageThyme]

Thank God, he's not an atheist. (Pun intended)

[agpotter]

Edited my last post.... I didn't realize your mom and brother had already passed away.

[Pegasus]

However, do you think it might help if I told him that my Mom and brother will be waiting there for him and will show him the way?
Definitely. *Hugs*

[SageThyme]

Sorry ag, in a nutshell, I'm gonna be the last one left of the whole family I grew up with. I've been on this "terminal roller-coaster" for the last 5 years. All 3 of them have/had a terminal illness - Mom had cancer, little brother had congestive heart failure, and Dad has diabetes.

For a while I had 3 family members dying and 3 family members (husband, son and daughter) healthy. I've felt like I was caught between Heaven and Hell. I know God doesn't give us anything more than He thinks we can handle, I just wish He didn't trust me so much (Sister Teresa of Calcutta said that, so I borrowed). For me, if I ever find out who put my name in that "Goblet of Fire" I'll personally tear 'em apart myself - now I know how Harry must of felt.

Well off to "sleep on" my decision, it has to be made in the morning. Oh, I forgot to mention that I have Power of Attorney for my father regarding his medical care. This is where the "wisdom of Solomon" would be nice to have now.

[agpotter]

Wow, what a sad story. You really must have some strength, or you wouldn't be put through all of this. So far it sounds like you're turning to Christ in all your adversities, which is exactly what I think you should do, and exactly what He would have you do. We can overcome all things, but not without Christ's (and his all-encompassing Atonement's) help.

Keep the faith, He'll stay with you. I know it.

[Ginny1976]

Sorry to hear about your suffering, Sage. The quote you said that you borrowed from Sister Teresa, reminded me of a scripture from the Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 3:7 'And it came to pass that I, Nephi, said unto my father: I will go and do the things which the Lord hath commanded, for I know that the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them.' You have a strength that many long for, to be able to go through all of your family hardships. But I can see that your Faith has kept you. I'm also so pleased that you can come to an LDS thread to find comfort, even though we are not of your religion. Like I said before, a Kindred spirit!!
I wonder if your father is afraid of dying because of guilt? If I were to be dying right now, I know that I wouldn't want to because of all the things I still need to repent of.
But letting him know that he will see his wife and son again might help. I think I feel a bit useless for you, but just know that you will be in our prayers!

[Pegasus]

I feel like another song.

I feel my Savior's love
In all the world around me.

[Rapunzel]

His Spirit warms my soul
Through ev’rything I see.

[Pegasus]

He knows I will follow Him,
Give all my life to Him.

[Rapunzel]

I feel my Savior’s love,
The love he freely gives me.


(I'm off to bed. Good night, Pegasus.)

[Pegasus]

Yeah, I should, too. Dentist appointment for the kids tomorrow morning, bright and early.

[simplybecky]

SageThyme, I don't know if there's anything I can personally say to comfort you, except that you're in my prayers. I thought of a hymn that brings me comfort, and I hope the words help you:Be Still My Soul
Be still, my soul: the Lord is on the side
With patience bear thy cross of grief or pain
Leave to thy God to order and provide
In every change He faithful will remain
Be still, my soul: thy best, thy Heav'nly Friend
Thru thorny ways leads to a joyful end

Be still, my soul: thy God doth undertake
To guide the future as He has the past
Thy hope, thy confidence, let nothing shake
All now mysterious shall be bright at last
Be still, my soul: the waves and winds still know
His voice who ruled them while He dwelt below

Be still, my soul: the hour is hast'ning on
When we shall be forever with the Lord
When disappointment, grief, and fear are gone
Sorrow forgot, love's purest joys restored
Be still, my soul: when change and tears are past
All safe and blessed we shall meet at last.I also just thought of something that should help you out on this thread, SageThyme (and any other non LDS in here). You can visit this (http://www.lds.org/churchmusic/0,17932,4586-1,00.html) site, which is full of the church music we have been been posting on the thread (well, the hymns, at least). You can look at the music as if you had a hymn book in front of you, and you can listen to it (instrumental or choral).

agpotter, I would love to hear your music. If you email it to me (through my profile) then I should be able to receive it (gmail is great like that :p).

Guys, I have to tell you, I had such a good night tonight. I went to the Singer/Songwriter Association tonight and worked on a song with one of the guys there. He had written a song for a guy and a girl and we worked on it for about an hour. We're going to perform it in a few weeks, and hopefully we'll get to record it (maybe you can hear it sometime :p). I'm so excited!!!

[agpotter]

I love Be Still My Soul. When I was in my first year with the BYU Men's Chorus we sang a song to the tune of it, but with new lyrics based on the Psalm of Nephi (2 Nephi 4).

I love the Lord, in Him my soul delights,
Upon His word I ponder day and night
He's heard my cry, brought visions to my sleep
And kept me safe o'er deserts and the deep
He's filled my heart with His consuming love,
And bourne me high on wings of His great dove

Yet oft I groan, O wretched man am I,
My flesh is weak and I'm encompassed by
A world of sin which holds me in its thrall
If I give in and to temptation fall
My strength grows slack, I waste in sorrow's vale,
My peace destroyed, my enemies prevail

Awake my soul, no longer droop in sin
Rejoice my heart and let me praise again
The Lord my God who is my rock and stay
To keep me strict upon his strait, plain way
O let me shake at the first sight of sin,
And thus escape my foes without and in

I love the Lord, in Him my sould delights

It was really something to perform... To sing it in the SLC Tabernacle was an experience I'll not soon forget!

Oh, and simplybecky, the songs are on the way! :)

[simplybecky]

That is awesome, agpotter. You know, that was the first section of scripture my mind went to when I read what SageThyme is going through. Talk about inspiration! I love the scriptures and the peace they bring when you read them, and music is just as lifting. I really love taking hymns that are of the same meter and singing them to various tunes. I have already mentioned that one of my favorites is the words of Come Thou Fount to the tune of If You Could Hie to Kolob. Also, another one I love is Come, Follow Me to the tune of Each Life that Touches Ours for Good. The meter guide in the back of the hymn book is really helpful to choir directors (wink, wink, Peg ;)).

[SageThyme]

Good morning all, thanks alot for all the kind words, thoughts and prayers. I still don't know yet what I'm going to do. I think I'll wait and see what the Doc says when he calls.

Whether I'm LDS or Catholic, the Lord is the Lord and that's all that matters. Just as we are all individual people, He gives us different paths to find our way to Him. Otherwise, why would He have made the 12 Disciples speak differents languages after receiving the Holy Spirit were it not to provide as many routes to Him as possible. All we have to do is find the one we are most comfortable on, i.e., the religion we are most comfortable with - as I believe they all lead to Him. And none show Him to be any less forgiving, loving, or benevolent.

[simplybecky]

And I'm sure of this, SageThyme. The Lord is the same, no matter what religion you are, and I know He knows you so well. He will know how to comfort you, above anyone else, and that's what really matters.

How are things going with your father this morning?


EDIT: agpotter sent me his music last night and let me tell you: this guy has an awesome voice! :tu: :rotfl: :tu: :rotfl:

[SageThyme]

Hi all, the decision was made to not do any invasive surgery - as the complications, after-effects, etc. won't change the course of the other existing medical problems. Therefore, the infection will, probably, get septic in the next 2-4 weeks. If it gets to the bone first, it will be less time.

I finally broke through his "wall of denial" this morning. I was able to get him past his wanting to spare me anymore grief. I reminded him to not think about what he may be giving up here on Earth (to him golfing, swimming and driving - all of which he hasn't been able to do for the past 2 years anyway) and think about "the next great adventure". I also asked him if he was lonely now that most of his friends, his wife, his son, his parents and brother are gone. He admitted he was lonely and I responded by telling him that maybe now is a good time to join them instead of being here alone. I know I am here for him, but at this point in his life, I understand that may not be enough and I can let him go gracefully.

Thanks again to everyone, you may not realize just how much all of you helped me.

See, the Lord led me to your strand because He felt I needed you at this time. Please feel free to give yourselves all rounds of applause and several pats on the back.:D

[StephyJ_83]

Good luck, Sage. My prayers are with you and your father.

"Come, Thou Fount of every blessing,
Tune my heart to sing Thy grace;
Streams of mercy, never ceasing,
Call for songs of loudest praise.
Teach me some melodious sonnet,
Sung by flaming tongues above.
Praise the mount! I’m fixed upon it,
Mount of Thy redeeming love.

Here I raise my Ebenezer;
Hither by Thy help I’m come;
And I hope, by Thy good pleasure,
Safely to arrive at home.
Prone to wander, Lord, I feel it,
Prone to leave the God I love;
Here's my heart, O take and seal it,
Seal it for Thy courts above.

Jesus sought me when a stranger,
Wandering from the fold of God;
He, to rescue me from danger,
Interposed His precious blood.
Prone to wander, Lord, I feel it,
Prone to leave the God I love;
Here's my heart, O take and seal it,
Seal it for Thy courts above.

O to grace how great a debtor
Daily I’m constrained to be!
Let Thy goodness, like a fetter,
Bind my wandering heart to Thee.
Prone to wander, Lord, I feel it,
Prone to leave the God I love;
Here’s my heart, O take and seal it,
Seal it for Thy courts above.

Seal it for Thy courts above."

[Rapunzel]

The Lord is my Shepherd; no want shall I know.
I feed in green pastures; safe-folded I rest.
He leadeth my soul where the still waters flow,
Restores me when wand’ring, redeems when oppressed,
Restores me when wand’ring, redeems when oppressed.

Thru the valley and shadow of death though I stray,
Since thou art my Guardian, no evil I fear.
Thy rod shall defend me, thy staff be my stay.
No harm can befall with my Comforter near.
No harm can befall with my Comforter near.

In the midst of affliction my table is spread.
With blessings unmeasured my cup runneth o’er.
With perfume and oil thou anointest my head.
Oh, what shall I ask of thy providence more?
Oh, what shall I ask of thy providence more?

[agpotter]

Thank you for posting the lyrics to Come Thou Fouth, stephyj. Easily, I think, one of the most perfect hymns in all creation. Pity they removed it from the hymnbook, it really encompasses what the Gospel is all about. I weep whenever I listen to the Thanksgiving of American Folk Hymns CD by the BYU Choirs.

Oh, and thanks simplybecky! You are too kind. :)

[Ginny1976]

Hey, have you all seen the HBP cover?
It looks like the pensive to me. Exciting!!

[GryffindorSeeker]

Cover??? *runs around* Come on! Load computer! Load!

*hugs SageThyme*

[Rosie Cotton]

There's a right way to live and be happy...

[agpotter]

Yes, the new cover is INCREDIBLE! So eerie and.... well, green!

Sorry not to continue the song, I can't really seem to remember the next line....

But I could use some help on the Religion Questions thread...

[Rosie Cotton]

sure. I'll be right there, ag.

Note: Next line, "It is choosing the right everyday."

[agpotter]

Ah yes. Now I recall.

Thanks! I seem to be having some kind of brainfart, and I can't seem to recall where the scriptures recount the creation by God through Jesus. It's probably in The Book of Mormon... I'm a doof.

[Rosie Cotton]

It's in Moses I think, but it might be Abraham.

[agpotter]

Yeah, I figured it was either the Book of Mormon or the Pearl of Great Price... But considering purplehawk's trouble with the Lamanite curse et al, I don't think she'll be much intersted anyway, if it's included in that particular book.

[Rosie Cotton]

Another reference: 3 Nephi 9:15-

Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I ^acreated (http://scriptures.lds.org/3_ne/9/15a#15a)^• the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. ^bI (http://scriptures.lds.org/3_ne/9/15b#15b)^• am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name.


I love lds.org scripture search. Complete with cross-referencing links!

[agpotter]

I feel really bad that purplehawk has such trouble with the Lamanite curse thing... I mean, it's ancient history, and it has little if anything to do with the Latter-day Saints. We learn from the teachings in the scriptures, and there's something to be said for context. I just wish she wouldn't feel such personal offense by the incident.

[simplybecky]

SageThyme, I'm glad for your breakthrough with your dad. I will keep you in my prayers, and let's hope for the best.

I love the new cover...I had no idea that they had released it, I haven't been able to get online all day!!! Ack, I'm off to do homework again, but I with a much brighter outlook now that I know what the cover will look like (truly pathetic, I am...:p).


EDIT: I realized after I posted that there was a whole other page of posts...oops :blush: We discussed Offical Declaration #2 in my Doctrine and Covenants class on Monday and after the class I spoke with my teacher about it. He reminded me of several things that have been confirmed on this thread in the last week or so.

[Kaitie]

It has been my experience that people only see what they want to see... It takes a lot of hard work to actually listen to what the spirit is telling you--I for one am really good at ignoring the spirit, but I think I'm getting better at listening. My point is this, we all know that God's there---if someone really wants to know the truth about us all they have to do is ask God.

[Pegasus]

Can I make a suggestion? Given the past week or so on the Religious Questions thread, as well as the recent warning about the Spirit Division, I suggest we stay low unless specifically asked. I really don't want our thread closed down, and it seems to me that arguing is about the least Christlike thing we can do.

...It is choosing the right every day.

Edit: I just realized that I missed an entire page.
My suggestion still stands, as well as the suggestion that we not talk about other forum members in here. This is a public thread, and I don't think it's right to talk about anyone behind their backs, online or in life.
I'm sorry if I sound pushy. I've been trying to figure out the best way to phrase that.
This is, first and foremost, CoS Forums, a place where Harry Potter fans of all backgrounds and opinions can meet to talk about something we have in common.
Which makes proselyting not so good, either.

Let me start another hymn:
When sore trials came upon you,
Did you think to pray?

[Rapunzel]

When your soul was full of sorrow,
Balm of Gilead did you borrow
At the gates of day?


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Oh, holy words of truth and love
We hear from day to day,
Revealed to Saints from God above,
To guide in heaven’s way

[Pegasus]

Oh, how praying rests the weary!
Prayer will change the night to day.

[Rapunzel]

Ooops! Forgot about the chorus. You started with the 3rd verse so I decided to move on ahead of you.

So, when life gets dark and dreary,
Don’t forget to pray.

[Pegasus]

Oops! :D

[Rapunzel]

I should have known to follow you better - you're the choir director after all. ;)

EDIT: And now you know why I don't sing in the choir. :D

[Pegasus]

:lol: I have to go to bed. Good night! :D

[Rapunzel]

Likewise. Good night! :D

[agpotter]

Good idea, Pegasus, it's never a good idea to talk about other people behind their back (online or off). The only reason I mentioned someone before was because I thought I might be able to get some help from here to maybe make the situation go over a little better. I didn't mean to backbite, and I made the emotion in my post very calm on purpose. :)

Anyway, I auditioned for the show tonight.... I don't want to jinx anything, but I think it went really well... I REALLY want the part. I'll find out tomorrow at 4... Wish me luck everyone! :):):)

[simplybecky]

Peg, I think that's a very positive idea. I have had a bad feeling for the last week or so about the discussion that went on in the other threads. I don't know whether or not we were being baited, but the discussion digressed with pretty much each and every post. I don't think it went in a positive direction, and I feel really badly about it. We can't do anything to change what happened, but let's try not to let it happen again.

Hmmm...one of my favorite songs from the Children's Songbook:On a Golden Springtime
On a golden springtime, underneath the ground
A tiny seedling lay asleep until the sun shone down
Awake, awake, o little seed, push upward to the light
The day is bright, with all your might push upward to the light!

On a golden springtime, Jesus Christ awoke
And left the tomb where He had lain; the bands of death He broke
Awake, awake, o sleeping world, look upward to the light
For now all men may live again, look upward to the light!

On a golden springtime, in a forest glade
The Father and the Son appeared as Joseph knelt and prayed
Awake, awake, o nations all, receive the gospel light
The gospel true is here for you, receive its glorious light!

[badbad87]

Hello again everybody! I'm back! Kind of...I've been busy, and will continue to be really busy, but I'm going to at least try and show up a little bit more often than just once every 3 weeks...

[Morgoth]

I feel really bad that purplehawk has such trouble with the Lamanite curse thing... I mean, it's ancient history, and it has little if anything to do with the Latter-day Saints. We learn from the teachings in the scriptures, and there's something to be said for context. I just wish she wouldn't feel such personal offense by the incident.

Okay, can you guys cease with mentioning members in this thread in this context. It's fine to say "[username] had a question, how can we answer it?" If you want to discuss with someone a more personal issue they have with your Church, I suggest you Owl them and get to the point of it. The LDS thread can and will close permanently if this continues.

[agpotter]

AGAIN, I apologize, and I maintain that my post was made in purest of intent. I really was just trying to help, but I'll surely refrain in the future. You said it's fine to say that we were worried that someone has a question, and if we could help them to answer it, which is pretty much exactly what I did. In fact, on second and third reading, I can't imagine how anyone would think I was backbiting or gossiping. I was totally emotionally composed and wasn't at all angry or upset... :huh:

I'm not stupid, I know this is an open forum and anyone could get into this thread. I just don't think this is fair. I know I've been slandered in other threads, but has anyone bothered or cared in those cases? Nah. Oh well.....

Consider the case closed, at least from me.