CoSForums Archive - Penelope Clearwater

Padfoot127

February 21st, 2003, 1:09 am

maybe this is nothing important or anything, but Penelope was a fifth year in the second book, right? and that means that in book four she was a seventh year while Percy was out of school and working. Percy is a year older than Penelope. is this a mistake or did JK mean to do this?
This wasn't a mistake! it shows that harry and cho can happen! cho is a year older and in a different house than harry, like percy and penelope! it could be a hint that they could go out! a very slight hint, since noone with a life found that penelope was a year younger (i have no life), making it very discrete and hard to figure out. therefore, the possibility of harry and cho is even greater now! yay!

Spitf1re

February 21st, 2003, 1:17 am

That's right Penelope was in fifth year during the Chamber of Secrets. Maybe she was just a year younger the Percy. I don't think we can tell. That's a good question for JKR!

Padfoot127

February 21st, 2003, 1:25 am

wow really? I FINALLY GOT SOMETHING! lol

Aramis Diggle

February 21st, 2003, 2:23 am

Haha yeah, good of you to catch that.

ilovelifex1000

February 21st, 2003, 2:40 am

Never even noticed. Does it matter much that Penelope was a year younger? thats not that big of an age difference. How did they hook up again? I mean it's kind of hard for students to meet others outside of there house, it must be doubly hard for them to meet people in a different year as well.

Mireille

February 21st, 2003, 2:43 am

Both were prefects. I asume that's how they met.

stellaluna

February 22nd, 2003, 7:56 pm

Padfoot, what's wrong when she is a year younger?

Zahri Seb Melitor

February 23rd, 2003, 4:15 am

Girls often date guys that are older than them. It's fairly normal. One year difference at their ages, 15 and 16, isn't that big a gap.

Padfoot127

February 23rd, 2003, 4:19 am

there's nothing wrong, i just thought it might be of some help to anything... guess not but ok!

Zahri Seb Melitor

February 23rd, 2003, 5:56 am

That's fine. Many things in Harry Potter need going over with a fine toothed comb - like Chapter 1 of PS.

stellaluna

February 23rd, 2003, 2:45 pm

I think the questions in this thread are done...
PS: Zahri, I was Firenze too in this test...

Zahri Seb Melitor

February 24th, 2003, 6:24 am

Yes, it's a really good test, isn't it! Firenze suits my personality far more than Hermione, who is what I usually turn up on the ordinary tests.

Padfoot127

February 28th, 2003, 2:24 am

no this isnt done! it's started a new revolution!

miri

February 28th, 2003, 2:39 am

Do you know what the quietus button on it is for?

Animagi Girl

February 28th, 2003, 4:33 pm

No, I was Firenze too.

I really don't think a year is that big of a difference. My sister is dating a guy who's 6 years older than her. That's a big difference!

miri

February 28th, 2003, 5:16 pm

I went out with a guy who was 6 years older than me when i was 16. I was the mature one in the relationship too lol! It never happened before or after. I accidentally got engaged to this guy then got annoyed when he tried to stop me from going home and i ended up pushing him up a hill for 5 mins til i got there coz he grabbed my hands and wouldnt get out of my way. Decided i couldnt really trust him...

Now I'm going out with a guy a year younger than me and he's the mature one. He's great :-) And... despite the fact he's 10 inches taller than me he's my little elf - put him in a hoody and aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw!

Sorry, woman in love, burbling!

jr119us

March 1st, 2003, 5:22 am

We know JKR made a mistake with age once...with marcus flint. but this doesnt really look like a mistake.

hey i got Ernie MacMillan on that test. thats for sure NOT goin on my sig

miri

March 4th, 2003, 12:44 am

I got Ernie first time, then Pavarti. SOOOO not me! Either of them!

what was the mistake with marcus flint's age?

aiko amaya

March 4th, 2003, 1:03 am

Originally posted by miri (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=199058#post199058))
I got Ernie first time, then Pavarti. SOOOO not me! Either of them!

what was the mistake with marcus flint's age?

no she said in an interview that marcus flint just had to redo a year. I always thought penolpe was the same age as percy, head girl or something, guess I still have a way to go before I've memorized all of the details about the books, ok so I am not near to that point at all, but I'e read each one like I dunno how much, but alot especially since I just started reading the books last year

WhiteSlash

March 4th, 2003, 2:12 am

Flint was so dumb, that's why. What's wrong with a year younger? My Parents are like 6 years apart. Let's see Harry do that.

Padfoot127

March 4th, 2003, 2:28 am

there's nothing wrong with the matter, I was just trying to see if any of these BRILLIANT :) minds out there could find a way that this might be essential to the sequence. I guess not, and I'm sorry to have bothered you... :)

DRaGoNoFiLlFaItH

April 26th, 2003, 5:33 am

I bought his book on the mysteries of Harry Potter, and this part seemed kind of intresting to me:

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We dont know much about Penelope (except. we worry about anyone who actually like Percy!) We do learn some interesting things. For some reason, she want to hold Harry's Firebolt when she first sees it - is she interested in Quidditch brooms, or does she have a specific motive? She has bet 10 Galleons ( a lot of money ) on the Ravenclaw vs. Gryffindor match, which means she mat have money to spare, or she may have inside information about something. It could be nothing, but in Book 2, she and Percy did choose to rendezvous right by Slytherin. Notice that when she calls to Percy, his controllinh personality is easily controlled by her. We should mention that the name Penelope generally connotes faithfulness, but it also can mean deception - especially too suitors. Hmmmm
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It could be nothing, I know, but I just thought I'd get everyones opinion. The thing about her controlling him in a way is true. But then again it might just be cuz he likes her.

DocHollidaywe

April 26th, 2003, 5:35 am

I never thought about Penelope being evil, but i have the seed planted in my mind now

Jinxie Cat

April 26th, 2003, 5:37 am

I never thought she was evil or anything... Actually, I don't really pay much attention to her.... I think she's just a minor character put in there for variety or whatever.....

harp230

April 26th, 2003, 6:00 am

I have wondered about her status for the books. If we see her again, I would expect it to be important. I definately could see her as evil. I could be hard to expect with her meing such a minor character. But since she is a muggle born, I would find it hard for to fit in with Voldemort's group.

MadMagic

April 26th, 2003, 6:03 am

Yes, we know so little about her that it is difficultto say whether she is evil or not. I suppose anything is possible though. I wonder if Percy and Penelope are still dating.

harp230

April 26th, 2003, 6:10 am

That is what I am wondering. I do not even recall "suspicious" behavior from Percy in GOF to indicate she is still around. Maybe since she was still at Hogwarts they broke it off for a bit... This is definately a lose end to be addressed. I have a hunch that at least we have not heard the last of her.

MadMagic

April 26th, 2003, 6:13 am

She wasn't still at Hogwars in GoF was she? I thought she was Percy's age.

harp230

April 26th, 2003, 6:16 am

No, she is a year behind Percy. Sorry, I don't recall the specific refrence point and my book is MIA, but she is a year behind him.

rotsiepots

April 26th, 2003, 7:33 am

I'm going to merge this thread with another topic regarding Miss Clearwater to create a "definitive" Penelope Clearwater thread.

If another admin/mod thinks these threads should remain separate, please split the threads. :)

Mad Macca

April 26th, 2003, 8:18 am

Well, Percy could be a year above Penelope at school, but that doesn't mean that they aren't the same age. She could have repeated, or Percy could have gone up a year, or he could have gone to school earlier, look at it from that perspective.

Michelle

April 26th, 2003, 12:04 pm

If it was important that Penelope was a year younger than Percy, it would have been in the movie.

Mireille

April 26th, 2003, 3:49 pm

Originally posted by Michelle (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=290096#post290096))
If it was important that Penelope was a year younger than Percy, it would have been in the movie.

The only mention of Penelope in the movie was from Nick by saying, "Ms Clearwater." With that said, you can't go by the movie because it is not all truth; the books are the foundation of Rowling's information.

As for Penelope being evil, I don't think there's enough evidence to say that she is. Everyone has a dark side to them, but if she was pure evil, wouldn't she have been sorted into Slytherin and not Ravenclaw?

There is a lot of information we as readers do not know about Penelope becuase she has only been introduced as a very minor character. And I'm not sure how important it is, but if hair color is a theme with Rowling and that dark hair is on the good side, (I believe there is a thread about this) then Penelope isn't evil. She has dark hair as far as I can remember. But that is a debate all on its own.

Auri DeMeer

April 26th, 2003, 6:31 pm

Originally posted by Penelope Clearwater (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=290230#post290230))
As for Penelope being evil, I don't think there's enough evidence to say that she is. Everyone has a dark side to them, but if she was pure evil, wouldn't she have been sorted into Slytherin and not Ravenclaw?

No. There are evil Ravenclaws the same as there are good Slytherins:

A person can have a thirst to learn (Ravenclaw) to use his knowledge in an evil way, and a person can be ambitious (Slytherin) and use his powers to do good and justice.

aiko amaya

April 26th, 2003, 11:32 pm

I think that Percy is still with Penny but because he is no longer secretive about it. Or they could have broken it off. I like the idea of them being togetherbut then wouldn't he have seen Penny at the Yule ball, and if he did do you think he would say hello to her and dance with her? I think Percy needs a girlfriend definetly. Or mabe him and Penny have broken it off, she might have kept him down to earth instead of in lalala land with Crouch. No wait here we go, Percy broke it off with Penny for crouch hahahaha. :D

Michelle

April 26th, 2003, 11:47 pm

Penelope Clearwater: I know that the movie isn't all truth but the important things are put into the movie. JKR cooperates with the screenwriter & tells him what he shouldn't omit, because its important for the rest of the series. So if Penny's age isn't mentioned in the movie, it isn't important...

Adamslove: Percy has graduated, he couldn't be at the Yule Ball! However its a long time since I last read the 4th book, so maybe I don't remember it well and Percy really showed up for some reason.

GryffindorSeeker

April 26th, 2003, 11:50 pm

Originally posted by ilovelifex1000 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=181209#post181209))
Never even noticed. Does it matter much that Penelope was a year younger? thats not that big of an age difference. How did they hook up again? I mean it's kind of hard for students to meet others outside of there house, it must be doubly hard for them to meet people in a different year as well.

Why do you think it would be hard for them to hook up? They all eat in the Great Hall, they must meet in the halls a lot, they use the same library, they go to Hogsmead together from third year on, they go to quidditch games together, they have feasts together, plus they're prefects. If they didn't interact with different people, they'd end up not knowing each other and eventually end up in a sort of civil war with each other.

aiko amaya

April 26th, 2003, 11:55 pm

Originally posted by Michelle (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=291044#post291044))
Penelope Clearwater: I know that the movie isn't all truth but the important things are put into the movie. JKR cooperates with the screenwriter & tells him what he shouldn't omit, because its important for the rest of the series. So if Penny's age isn't mentioned in the movie, it isn't important...

Adamslove: Percy has graduated, he couldn't be at the Yule Ball! However its a long time since I last read the 4th book, so maybe I don't remember it well and Percy really showed up for some reason.

Percy was at the Yule ball, he was representing crouch while he was "ill". But he was all proffessinal about it, maybe just a cover because he is still heart broken over Penny breaking up wth him or something tehehehe.

I don't think ti would be all that hard for people from other houses to meet up together, as it was mentionedtheirs the great hall and in the hallways. And also they have classes together, Remember with Hufflepuffs with the gryfindors in herbology, slytherins and Gryfindors in Care of magical creatures?

Michelle

April 27th, 2003, 12:06 am

Of course!!! I totally forgot that!! :-)
I think Percy didn't want to seem like he couldn't represent Crouch professionaly enough. I think he generally didn't speak to lots of students tha night,if any (I wish I had my book with me so I could find out. Aaaargh!!!)

Rowena Ravenclaw

April 27th, 2003, 3:48 am

I think Penelope and Percy broke up when he threw himself into his job, or possibly when he got such a swelled head over being Head Boy. Yes, I know they were still dating over the summer, but that's the last we heard of it (or her). Professional appearances or no, you'd think he could at least have spared a minute to talk to her at the Ball. Though maybe that's what broke them up. Anyway, I'll be surprised if they're still together.

harp230

April 27th, 2003, 6:08 am

I was not even thinking of the Yule ball. If they were still together then he would have attended with her as her guest rather than in the place of someone else. Wonder if it was a friendly split.....

Weatherby

April 27th, 2003, 10:38 am

I don't they did breakup. Didn't Percy have a bet with Penelope and wanted Harry to win in Gof. Or am I thinking of PoA?

Girl

April 27th, 2003, 12:26 pm

it was on PoA that they had a bet. in GoF don't don't hear anything about them

aiko amaya

April 29th, 2003, 12:17 am

Originally posted by Rowena Ravenclaw (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=291507#post291507))
I think Penelope and Percy broke up when he threw himself into his job, or possibly when he got such a swelled head over being Head Boy. Yes, I know they were still dating over the summer, but that's the last we heard of it (or her). Professional appearances or no, you'd think he could at least have spared a minute to talk to her at the Ball. Though maybe that's what broke them up. Anyway, I'll be surprised if they're still together.

But of caurse we just didn't see Percy talking to her. Maybe he felt that now he was out of school and out in the real world, and Penny was still sheltered at school that they broke up maybe for that reason. I like Percy having a girl though, it makes he seem less like a machine. It shows that in his core he is a normal guy. Maybe now the crouch has passed away and Percy doesn't have anyone anymore, Penny will be back in his arms after she graduates. And they could get married and then have the whole crouch thing start all over again.

cleansweep11

November 28th, 2003, 4:08 pm

The standard. I searched. Feel free to merge or close(or keep open;)).

What ever happened to penelope clearwater? The last we heard of her was in the 3rd book,I believe it was about percy's and her bet....She was percy's girlfriend....Are they still togher? Does she know about his evilness to his family?Does she know that he's a power hungry git??IS she in the ministry? Did she die? Are we ever going to see penelope again?!(Dun dun dun!)

And by the way if you didn't know Penelope was Percy's girlfriend....

Carolynb87

November 28th, 2003, 4:22 pm

Well, I think Penelope was in Percy's year so she would have graduated from Hogwarts. We didn't hear much about her in the fifth book because we didn't hear much about Percy. the family was mad at him so we didn't find out to much about what was going on with him. We might hear more about Penelope in one of the next books if Percy apoligizes to his family and they forgive him but I don't know how big of a character she will turn out to be.

Morgan LeFay

November 28th, 2003, 4:48 pm

Maybe Percy started living with her when he moved out from home?
Or maybe their relationship broke when he started working in MoM (he was really annoying then - I mean, even more than usual).

Constant Vigilance

November 28th, 2003, 6:15 pm

My bet is that Percy became obsessed with success and lost interest in her. He won't be spending time with someone who can't advance his carrer.

And if I'm wrong and Penelope likes him this way. we whon't like her.

Jill

November 28th, 2003, 6:45 pm

Percy is a power ranged young man and Penelope must have seen this in his personality while they where courting. I am sure that she likes Percy the way he is. It is possible that they are still together as I kind of compair Lucius and Narcissa with Percy and Penelope. Both where dominant people and I feel that they are going to be hated as much as Lucius and Narcissa, in fact it would not put it past Percy and Penelope to have developed a friendship with the Malfoys, if you can call any relationship with the Malfoys a friendship that is. I think Percy is already a DE and living the same life as the Malfoys or at least on the same parallel as them.

Constant Vigilance

November 28th, 2003, 6:50 pm

Jill

November 28th, 2003, 6:58 pm

Power hungry: yes, DE: don't think so. He's just a Fudge wannabe, not even an Umbrige. And the Malfoys hate the Weasleys, so it's a no go.

Yes the Malfoys do hate the Weasleys but what better opertunaty to use a Weasley agaist the Weasley family. We are looking at a very young Percy and not a mature DE, so he could have DE potential. I think we might see more of Penelope as well in the next 2 books. I think all the characters that we have been introduced to will have some role or function as the onset of war brings everyone on both sides together in a fight for a common cause.

I see the Malfoys using Penelope and Percy.

NIrvanaFreak

November 28th, 2003, 7:02 pm

I don't think Percy is a DE. I think he just wants some attention in the buisness world. He reminds me of Fudge...

Constant Vigilance

November 28th, 2003, 7:18 pm

Yes the Malfoys do hate the Weasleys but what better opertunaty to use a Weasley agaist the Weasley family. We are looking at a very young Percy and not a mature DE, so he could have DE potential. I think we might see more of Penelope as well in the next 2 books. I think all the characters that we have been introduced to will have some role or function as the onset of war brings everyone on both sides together in a fight for a common cause.

I see the Malfoys using Penelope and Percy.

Good point. That would be tipical of the Malfoys

Jill

November 28th, 2003, 7:34 pm

I don't think Percy is a DE. I think he just wants some attention in the buisness world. He reminds me of Fudge...

That is exactly why I think he could already be a DE, because they would give him the attention he so praises in the buisness world; that is the Malfoys of course. Both Penelope and Percy would gain status through the Malfoys or should I say would have. Now that status comes from being a member of the Voldemorts DE and to serve someone who is regaurded as the greatest wizard in the world, in Percys eyes would be much more better than serving Crouch.

Constant Vigilance, your right that is so much like something the Malfoys would do to get back at there enemy. Hit the Weasleys where it really hurts them, use Percy and Penelope to drag the Weasley families name down and Mr Weasleys position within the Ministry.

Hammi

November 28th, 2003, 7:35 pm

I think its safe to say, we have no idea. Sure, we can speculate all we want, but I'm guessing we're not going to really ever find out. These books are about Harry, not his best friend's brother. Sure, he plays a role in the book, but I don't really feel his ex/current girlfriend will play a role

Kaonashi

November 28th, 2003, 9:28 pm

th eonly thing i know for sure is that she graduated with Percy. Other than that we really don't know anything.

hesdead-dealwithit

November 28th, 2003, 10:07 pm

Notice how Hermione was writing a letter to Krum in OotP? I think JKR did that to keep Krum in our minds. If she also wanted s to keep thinking about Penelope Clearwater, she would have done the same thing.

Jill

November 28th, 2003, 10:25 pm

Yes but J.K.Rowling may have Penelope and Percy's life story mapped out. Even if Penelope is not mentioned in the next book, she may be in the prolog as Percy is one of the main characters and would probably be present within that. :)

jordmundt6

November 28th, 2003, 10:38 pm

Jill

November 29th, 2003, 1:51 am

Percy is a prat. He is stupid. But he's not Regulus stupid. He's not a DE. He's Fudge's lapdog. When Fudge woke up, he woke up. I'm kinda lookin' forward to seeing him crawl back to the Burrow with his tail 'tween his legs.:elaugh: Git.:rolleyes:

He might actually be a good candidate because he's ambitious and he's too young to remember last time, but after his own SISTER was attacked?

Excellent point jordmundt6 :tu: .

His sister might just have the git crawling back with his tail between his legs and having his mother hug him and his father glare at him with discontent and a scence of satisfaction. His sister might actually have a little painful surprise for Percy, what with the frying pan in the sink, or would that be Molly's idea of welcoming him back... :elaugh:

I mean, his position at the MoM is no longer secure surely but then again Fudge is still there and well Percy might not be in any hurry to get back. He must have his own place by now, I mean he is probably staying with Penelope, where else could he be staying. :)

jordmundt6

November 29th, 2003, 3:12 pm

I got the impression that he put his personal life on hold when Crouch took him on. Wherever Penny is, I don't think Percy is a part of her life right now. It looks like Percy took his rather significant raise and used it mostly for rent money for a London flat or small townhouse. Ginny might whack him over the head with the frying pan a few times. Bill will probably be stern with him. And I don't think he's safe in Fred & George's company for the foreseeable future, but Molly loves her son and will welcome him back with open arms like the prodigal returned. You know she will. And Arthur, bless him, will back her for the sake of family unity if nothing else and I don't think he really wants to punish his son, just make him see the truth. That accomplished, his vengeance may be spent.

Mireille

November 29th, 2003, 3:34 pm

It is possible that they are still together as I kind of compair Lucius and Narcissa with Percy and Penelope. Both where dominant people and I feel that they are going to be hated as much as Lucius and Narcissa, in fact it would not put it past Percy and Penelope to have developed a friendship with the Malfoys, if you can call any relationship with the Malfoys a friendship that is.

The only problem with your theory, Jill is that Penelope is a mudblood and the Malfoys know this. Therefore, they would not want to have anything to do with her. The same goes for Percy. The Malfoy's hate everything the Weasley's are and stand for. I don't see that changing for one offspring even if he is showing signes of revolt.

Just a quick question about your dominant statement. Where does it ever say that Penelope was a dominant person in the wizarding world? I don't ever remember reading that but maybe you picked up on something that I didn't.

jordmundt6

November 29th, 2003, 4:11 pm

The impression she gave at school thanks to her Prefect's badge combined with her free and easy way with money led to this. She bet Percy 10 Galleons on the outcome of that Gryffindor vs. Ravenclaw match their 7th year. And isn't 10 galleons the equivalent of $50? That's quite a tidy sum for someone without a job and barely of age to setting for a friendly wager between lovebirds on a school match, isn't it?

cleansweep11

November 29th, 2003, 4:31 pm

Although it may equal out to be $50 in there world its probley only like $10.....In america we don't caluculate our money compared to other contries. A dollar is just a dollar. It may be equal it .89 cents in some other country but it doesn't matter to us. Its the same for them. It may be equal it $50 but they don't think about it,to them its just like $10.

jordmundt6

November 29th, 2003, 6:37 pm

Value is important here. It sounds like it's just $10 to us because we're used to that sort of medium. But it looks like 10 Galleons can BUY $50 worth of stuff in the wizarding world. That's why Percy hasn't got 10 G, it's extravagant.

cleansweep11

November 29th, 2003, 6:45 pm

I still don't think so. The weasleys are on the poorer side. People on the poorer side don't always have 10 extra dollars to throw around.

jordmundt6

November 29th, 2003, 7:29 pm

Explain then please how Mrs. Weasley was able to afford an entire year's worth books for Ginny secondhand with a Galleon, a handful of Sickles, and a little heap of Knuts? Even going secondhand, that lot had to cost in excess of $100 all told. And if you were right, she'd have been able to afford a year's worth of books for a little over $3. No way. Not even if there were pages flapping out and the bindings were all ruined. The books looked like they were battered, not firefodder.

cleansweep11

November 29th, 2003, 7:33 pm

The Weasleys have other money thats not in there gringotts vault. No one keeps all there money in the bank. They have some on them. A galleon may be equal to a dollar but that doesn't mean that you van only buy a dollar's worth it.