Does Remus Lupin have a brother?

[i wish i knew]

THere is an old legend or somthing about Romulus and Remus. Romulus kills his brother to take over the empire. I have it in my text book, but not with me. I'll post it when I find it. But does Remus Lupin have a brother? Does it say it anywhere??

[rotsiepots]

I don't think it's explicitly stated anywhere in the books that Lupin has any siblings. It is possible, although there's no evidence to support or refute this notion. :shrug:

[DarlingChild]

He might, though we've never heard about it. Maybe it'll come up in another book. *shrugs*

[i wish i knew]

Does it say it in book 3 hen he says how and when he got bit?

[i wish i knew]

http://www.mclink.it/n/citrag/roma/doc/legend/elg_112.htm

This is the story. And I forgot to mention but the twins are cared for as babies by a she-WOLF!!

Lupin is a werewolf!

[dark_dreamer44]

I like the idea of Lupin having a brother..but not of him being killed. And in the myth weren't Romulus and Remus suckled by a Wolf? and how coincidental(sp?), Remus is a werewolf.

And as we all know, JKR loves to incorporate Mythology into her books.

[i wish i knew]

Yea i posted the link to a website with the legend up there.

[dark_dreamer44]

thanks =)

[i wish i knew]

Im scared that Remus gets killed by his brother (if he has one), OMG he could be the one to die in book 5! NOOOOO

[Padfoot127]

well, if he does have a brother, it would be too weird, i don't think he'd be named romulus, that's too coincidental, it gives too much away if JK carries that story out( which i doubt) ok good idea

[i wish i knew]

Originally posted by Padfoot127 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=184662#post184662))
well, if he does have a brother, it would be too weird, i don't think he'd be named romulus, that's too coincidental, it gives too much away if JK carries that story out( which i doubt) ok good idea



Why would it be too weird for him to have a brother? Romulus and Remus were twins though. Maybe Remus does have a twin, but they were seperated at birth or adoption or whatever. Then he may not still be named Romulous, it could have changed. Romulous is not common, but then again neither is Remus, or Severus or any of the names really!

[zora_domina]

I just picked up the "Ultimate Unofficial Guide to the Mysteries of Harry Potter" and in it... they put forth an interesting - if slightly disturbing (to me anyway) point.

James Potter may have switched bodies with Lupin, BEFORE Voldemort killed the BODY of James.

... They seem to be convinced that he's James, not Remus. Myself, I would be RATHER disappointed to learn that this be true, if JKR goes that way at all. It's kind of a stretch, but it's one that I never even considered. I don't much like that thought - but mainly because I'd rather have SOME "truth" be told at the start - and not wind up with a huge "oh, well, we couldn't tell you that he was your father because that would ruin the illusion that James had died 14 years ago." No, I don't like that.

But that's just what I have thought, reading this thread...

-zora

[i wish i knew]

I don't like that either

[Tigerlily]

My great-grandfather's middle name was Romulus and his twin brother's was Remus. Just thought I'd share that. :p

Anyway, like someone said earlier, there's no evidence at this point to tell if he has a brother or not. We'll just have to keep reading! ^_^

[Weatherby]

That's a far out theory.. James can't be in Lupin's body. I'd love to see their reasoning behind this. A fanfic perhaps?

We know Lupin has a family but if he was a twin they would've mentioned it. I'm a twin and people constantly remark on it.
"Whats your twin doing right now?"
"I don't know. I'm here."
"Why don't you know by esp?"
"Huh?"

[Dedalus]

I think the only thing she got from the legend was the name Remus. It's a good name for a werewolf. I don't think the whole legend is going to be important - she doesn't need it for the name.

[Cat]

Originally posted by zora_domina (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=184730#post184730))
I just picked up the "Ultimate Unofficial Guide to the Mysteries of Harry Potter" and in it... they put forth an interesting - if slightly disturbing (to me anyway) point.

James Potter may have switched bodies with Lupin, BEFORE Voldemort killed the BODY of James.

... They seem to be convinced that he's James, not Remus. Myself, I would be RATHER disappointed to learn that this be true, if JKR goes that way at all. It's kind of a stretch, but it's one that I never even considered. I don't much like that thought - but mainly because I'd rather have SOME "truth" be told at the start - and not wind up with a huge "oh, well, we couldn't tell you that he was your father because that would ruin the illusion that James had died 14 years ago." No, I don't like that.

But that's just what I have thought, reading this thread...

-zora


Hold on, is that a book?

How does some toff have the nerve to rip people off their money by making theories more ridiculous and unfounded than anything you could get on the lowliest forum??

God, that makes me mad. Why did you give even a penny for his thoughts? I'm sure you can find better theories here :D

Anyway... I don't believe in any Romulus. Romulus was the famous brother. He played a major part in legend, whereas Remus was just murdered by this 'hero'. Grand origins aren't as fun to play with.

Besides, Lupin's not building any city. There are certain ties with mythology but they have to stop somewhere!

[stellaluna]

I agree with Cat. I suppose JK just chose the name because of the wolf- part of the tale, not the part with the brother. Everything in HP is related with some tales here and there, but they aren't 100% the same; would be too obvious and predictable then.
Also the word lupus (latin) means wolf, that explains his name.

[Cat]

Originally posted by stellaluna (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=185399#post185399))

Also the word lupus (latin) means wolf, that explains his name.


Or if you want to be English, the word 'lupine' means 'of a wolf' (like canine and feline but wolfy).

[stellaluna]

:yup:, didn't know that... doesn't matter, that thing is clear now...

[1MelissaPotter]

I don't think that Lupin would have a twin. We would have heard about him when they were in Hogwarts. Unless he was a squib but thats unlikely. If he had a sibiling I doubt its a twin. But I do think that his name is Remus from the wolf part og the story. I did it in school and I never realized that it was the same name!

[i wish i knew]

maybe the twins got seperatd at birth?

[stellaluna]

Have you seen too much of Star Wars?;) No, I think she has the name from that tale and nothing more.

[Aoife Diggle]

JK just seems to take little bits of mythology and twist them to suit herself, she has admitted to doing so herself. So I just think she took the name Remus as in mythology he was reared by a wolf so it suits Lupin. If there was a brother out there I'm sure he would have been mentioned by now as JK does love to foreshadow so many things.

[ilovelifex1000]

The idea of James as Lupin- stupid, JK said that we would never see James or Lily alive ever. I hope there is no Romulus to kill off Remus. ALso the tale is grusome and involves Rome and the building of a wall- no good to this story- unless Harry is planning on building his own city and thats the whole new wizarding place we will see in book 5.

[zora_domina]

Actually, Cat, you might want to hold on to your tongue a bit before burning a book I just had to own.

It's THE - and I mean THE - best researched, most thorough collection of information that I think anyone has collected. They use transcriptions of interviews from television, radio, online sources, book signings, chat room appearances, fan sites, book club interviews, etc etc etc.

You'd be hard pressed to find a more complete collection of commentary on the HP books. - Their bibliography and reference section tells it all.

It's certainly a lot more coherent than most Forums - including this one - and I'm obviously not the only person in the forum who does own it (as I've seen several questions and threads posted which are literally lifted straight from it).

Anyway - their theories are just that: THEORIES. All of our own posting is pure theory until we see it on paper from JKR. She HAS hinted that there is a possibility that this has happened - if you've read the books thoroughly (as thoroughly as these folks anyway) you can read into almost any situation.

There are many points to back up their theory, but I don't know if they are going to lead to any factual storytelling.

JKR loves Lupin, and he seems to act in a way that is slightly more natural for a *father* to do, than a *good friend of said father*. There are little snippets here and there, behavior that someone who couldn't tell his own son that he was there and everything would be okay, would do. Remus's middle initial is J. There are other things, but again, it's a theory only, and just as valid or unvalid as any posted here by any other fan.

I don't personally *go* for the theory, but it stands as a very well-thought out one indeed.

I would encourage you to not openly claim that I ought not to have bought this book... Anything as source material is good source material, and I'm not going to obsessively crawl about the internet looking for every downloadable interview or chat transcript - these folks have done it for me. AND they've done it for you - and they've done it in record time, too... It covers all 4 books, chapter by chapter. It's a marvelously well written and TOTALLY geeky book. I mean, one of the two authors calls themself Galadriel. :)

Anyway, it's a THEORY, just like 99% of everything here. I was quite pleased to see that someone else was taking it far more seriously than just posts on a message board. I still agree: I don't like the theory, that's why I posted about it.

... On topic, however, Remus Lupin is the perfect name for a Werewolf anyway. How could he be anything OTHER than one? He might have had a brother, but that won't mean we'll ever see him. He might even be a Squib or just nowhere near our heroes.

Plus, so far, JKR has actually followed *very closely* many of the scattered historically-written characters who are the basis for her own. Harry = Arthur. Dumbledore = Merlin. There will be some betrayals, some bad messy love stories, more betrayals, it would hardly surprise me if Remus did have a twin or brother, and they got into a bit of trouble...

-zora

Originally posted by Cat (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=185381#post185381))
Hold on, is that a book?

How does some toff have the nerve to rip people off their money by making theories more ridiculous and unfounded than anything you could get on the lowliest forum??

God, that makes me mad. Why did you give even a penny for his thoughts? I'm sure you can find better theories here :D

Anyway... I don't believe in any Romulus. Romulus was the famous brother. He played a major part in legend, whereas Remus was just murdered by this 'hero'. Grand origins aren't as fun to play with.

Besides, Lupin's not building any city. There are certain ties with mythology but they have to stop somewhere!

[Dedalus]

What I think Cat meant was that it was strange to pay just to read somebody elses Harry Potter theories, when your own are just as valid (or a lot more so) as what's written in a book. But if there is information in there too (and it's correct information - I've thrown away Harry Potter based books that I bought because they looked hopeful, then it turned out that they had wrong information or just random things that most people know any way), then I'm sure it's fine.

[daredevildiver13]

I think the whole brother thing is more symbolic. Perhaps Wormtail could be metaphorically a brother that betrayed Lupin. He went against Lupin's trust.

I agree with Zora Domina. To Cat's comment on the Ultimate Unofficial Guide to the Mysteries of Harry Potter I strongly disagree. While that theory is very far out and controversial the book is intriguing and has a lot of backing research. I read a great portion of my friend's copy and have been dying to get a copy of my own but they are sold out at every book store I've been to, including amazon.com. With that, one could say that many many people own a copy and that it is a substantial book that does count for something. The theories in the book weren't "ridiculous and unfounded", they did put their own evidence for believing so. One of this forum's threads regarding Snape and Vampires has the same theory as the book. The book is by far the best Harry Potter legends book that I have come across and it is most definitely not a rip off. If you want to criticize a peice of writing you should at leats read it.

Oh- I have been noticing a lot of theories saying so-and-so are relating and it is more unfounded than the Lupin theory. Everyone is obsessed with starwars. And there is less evidence to prove these "relation theories". But I am not saying you shouldn't theorize- you should be able to put out any idea you want. My point is that to criticize them you should at least read it. It is like the people who say that Harry Potter is satanic. Some of them have never read Harry Potter and have no write to judge.

I am sorry if I am coming off as rude or as a "toff" (not positive on the meaning of the word but I know its not very nice and that its probably English) but ignorance is my biggest pet peeve.

[Dedalus]

I feel the need to back Cat up again - she wasn't being ignorant. The theory was mentioned above. She was basing her comment on that, so it's not like she's judging without any foundations. Nor was she saying that any of the other suggestions mentioned here are more likely than that one, so I don't know why you're saying that - she was just saying that that was a silly theory. Even with supporting evidence - it is. No more than any "Harry Potter and Voldemort are related" ones, no ... but no less either. Except you're paying for that one.

I don't know what else is in that book, so I'll say nothing about that. If it's a good reference guide, with correct information then fine.

[RJLupin]

The idea of James and Lupin using a switching spell seems so far fetched because then if you think about it, all of book 3 would be a huge misunderstanding. Lupin being James would cause no worry for Sirius to be on the lose because Lupin who would really be James would know that Sirius was not the secret keeper and therefore inform everyone. And if you remeber correctly in the Shrieking Shack, Lupin didn't know to believe Sirius or not.

[daredevildiver13]

"How does some toff have the nerve to rip people off their money by making theories more ridiculous and unfounded than anything you could get on the lowliest forum??"

Cat did not read the basis for the theory, nor has she read the book. And if those theories are worse than the lowliest forums than this forum is very lowly, because the book has similiar theories to ones stated in this forum.

[Padfoot127]

Originally posted by zora_domina (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=184730#post184730))

James Potter may have switched bodies with Lupin, BEFORE Voldemort killed the BODY of James.

... They seem to be convinced that he's James, not Remus. Myself, I would be RATHER disappointed to learn that this be true, if JKR goes that way at all. It's kind of a stretch, but it's one that I never even considered. I don't much like that thought - but mainly because I'd rather have SOME "truth" be told at the start - and not wind up with a huge "oh, well, we couldn't tell you that he was your father because that would ruin the illusion that James had died 14 years ago." No, I don't like that.

But that's just what I have thought, reading this thread...

-zora



that is very unlikely, since in book three lupin turned into a werewolf at the full moon, and if that was james, then he couldn't have turned into a werewolf because james wasn't bitten, lupin was.

[Dedalus]

Originally posted by daredevildiver13 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=185919#post185919))
"How does some toff have the nerve to rip people off their money by making theories more ridiculous and unfounded than anything you could get on the lowliest forum??"

Cat did not read the basis for the theory, nor has she read the book. And if those theories are worse than the lowliest forums than this forum is very lowly, because the book has similiar theories to ones stated in this forum.


Actually - I disagree. That theory has to be amongst the worst I've read, and I was once a member of Dark Mark (and that's saying something :lol: ) Most people have reasons to support their theories, however daft they may be - but that one has just heaps of flaws that I can think off the top of my head. Whatever the basis may have been, the problems with it can't be ignored.

But that's gettin off topic. And even further off topic from the initial topic. The main point was that it was just strange to buy a book of theories, when you can get them for free in your own head. Just because it's written down doesn't make it any more relevant.

[daredevildiver13]

Have you read the book Dedalus?

[Dedalus]

Nope. But you're missing the point entirely. Don't try asking questions that have nothing to do with what I'm saying.

I'm not dissing the book. I'm saying that's a silly theory because, in theory, it doesn't work. I'm also saying that it's strange buying a book on theories when you have your own for free. I needn't have read the book to know that. I would have to have read the book to know the rest of the theories, and what evidence is good or not - but I'm not debating that, am I?

But this is getting in the way of the initial thread. I wouldn't like another conversation to intrude on one of my threads. If you want to discuss that particular theory from that book, then best start a new thread.

[Cat]

Originally posted by daredevildiver13 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=185919#post185919))

Cat did not read the basis for the theory, nor has she read the book. And if those theories are worse than the lowliest forums than this forum is very lowly, because the book has similiar theories to ones stated in this forum.


Note to self: if I believe a book of theories you can get for free is a rip off, I should not say so aloud. People can get very tetchy.

End of note.

[Alastor D]

Why shouldn't we read that book when we read this forum? Aren't both full of theories that are just theories! That's the fun in it. To learn how others understand the HP books.

Personally I can't recall anything in PoA supporting that particular theory. And JKR did say we will never see a Lily or James alive. Besides that, why should Barty Crouch jr bother to drink polyjuice potion once a hour through the whole schoolyear if he could have just switched body with Alastor Moody?

There will certainly be some new characters. On may be Remus' brother. But Are there any clues pointing to that in PoA?

I have for long now been convinced that JKR is a little too smart for me and propably for quite many of You. More often than not we get the clues wrong or don't even notice. A bit like Dobby. Did anyone get his clue right from the beginning? Or did we all like Harry have to wait until Harry asked him, and he told?

So, when we make a conclusion we should alvays ask ourselves where are the facts which speak against it? And she is definitely not rewriting Star Wars.

[daredevildiver13]

It isn't merely theories, it also has name origins and more.

[zora_domina]

Thanks Cat - lol - I didn't intend to spark any of that either... :)

About the book: Dedalus, you ought to read it before continuing to say that the forum is "just as good". It's not. I don't have immediate listings of every conversation that has been *recorded* with JKR here - do you? I can't even quote a radio or tv interview because i've never seen or heard one... So, it's far better researched and better backed than most of the stuff in here - and is internally consistant. Most of the theories that are put forth here are based almost *almost* exclusively on personal opinion and a bit of "I read this here" or "I heard this there". Movie, book or whatnot - they're not enough.

I *like* having all the information at my fingertips. I'm far more fond of having it all in a nice printed format.

Anyway - on topic again, one of the characters (I think it was Dumbledore?) said something about Lily (?) being good with the Switching Spell. That's as close to a suggestion as JKR makes. That, and no one else seems to have used the spell *at all* in the books... (if there is an instance, tell me where it is because I can't recall!) So we all know that JKR does almost everything for a reason... Why tell us that about the switching spell, if it won't come up? Almost every spell has been *very* useful so far.

(Accio book five. I love that sig!!!)

I am curious, though - where did JKR ever say that Lily and James would not be seen alive? In what interview or site? It sounds pretty uncharacteristically "forward" for her to say such a thing... (Ie: that she would give something like that away to fans at the middle of the series? I don't think so.) And we've often been proven wrong about how we are *meant* to feel about any given character while she's writing them in a positive manner.

Moody/Crouch comes to mind... And it occurs to me that Crouch Jr didn't switch bodies with Moody because then Moody would be running around IN his body. And he could NOT afford to be seen wandering around - he's supposed to have died at Azkaban. Or perhaps Crouch Jr just wasn't any good at doing the spell.

I mean - I'd worry if I was going to be switched by Neville, or someone with less experience. :)

--zora

[Alastor D]

But wouldn't it be quite a sacrifice to switch with Remus an become a werewolf?

[stellaluna]

*Stokes Cat*, everyone's free to post their opinion... And if the book contained such a silly theory it's ok if someone says something against it.

[Cat]

Originally posted by stellaluna (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=186831#post186831))
*Stokes Cat*, everyone's free to post their opinion... And if the book contained such a silly theory it's ok if someone says something against it.


Yeah! The author is allowed to sell it. Buyers are allowed to read it. And I'm allowed to say that unfounded theories shouldn't be taken seriously just because you paid for them :lol:

[stellaluna]

Hey Cat, me (and periwinkle) just nominated you for the fanclub oof the week... You deserve it :bow:.
(And: it was quite funny because I was actually stroking my cat when I posted..)

[i wish i knew]

Can we get back to topic?

[arabella_black]

May I remark on how tense and upset you all got in here about some book! :D
That remus/james theory is so flawed it is hard to know where to start.
But what i find hard to believe is that the invented of the theory overlooked the fadt that Peter and Sirius had traded placed in the secret keeper saga. I mean you would have to be pretty stupid to overlook those kind of facts.

Getting back to the origin of this thread *sighs* I have always wondered why no siblings (whether there or not) were mentioned in relation to the Marauders. I mean we know that Lily had a sister but we dont know if Sirius and remus had brothers and sisters or not. I think that it might have been mentioned in relation to James and Peter.
I highly doubt that any Brother of Lupins would b named Romulus.

[arabella_black]

Whoops - that remus didnt know about the secret keeper saga whereas james would have.

[matahari toad]

Hey all of U! I'm about 99% convinced that remus has a brother (probably Romulus?)and that is one of the characters I'm desperately looking forward to get to know. As someone pointed out before the real Romulus/Remus story ends up with them being enemies (at least I veeery vaguely recall that from Latin lessons... at last I can see the sense of learning a language nobody speaks :D ). And I could quite imagine that romulus is kind of less positive that Remus, because
a) It fits the Latin story
b) it emphasizes the point that you become what you decide to become
c) it fits the fact that Dumbledore doesn't tell Sirius to alert Romulus Lupin (which of course could also be because there IS no Romulus but I just refuse to think about that possibility) although that would be an obvious thing to do if romulus was reliable
d) to me it seems quite natural that if Remus was always the "special child" Romulus would have felt jealous and as a consequence developed totally different because he didn't want to be like his brother.
Watcha say?

[Alastor D]

JKR borrows details from myth, lore and history. She said that herself. But she also said the story is her own. Have we seen this far anything in the plot evidently "copied"? So why should the founders of Rome have anything to do with this?
But, matahari You have a point there, in b).

[seashell323]

While I can imagine Remus having a sibling (I would envision a brother, but I have absolutely no reason/basis for that), I highly doubt that JKR would name the brother Romulus. What JKR borrows from mythological tales and legend is subtle, and it's usually something that each reader needs to discover on his or her own. There isn't any need to have a brother for Remus that conveniently happens to be named Romulus.

I personally prefer the idea of Lupin as a bit of a loner, with no family connections. It leaves him as a mysterious character, and it fits with the werewolf persona. :D

[miri]

In quite a bit of the fanfic i've read, Remus had a twin Romulus, who was killed by the werewolf that gave Remus the Lycanthropy. Another one had the werewolf as Remus' slightly deranged mother. Considering the surname and all... is it possible that one of Remus' parents was a typical dark creature, transformed both twins, but realised that Remus hated what he was and would never accept the fact that he's no longer human, while Romulus embraced the wolf within, perhaps after a year or 2, so the parent left Remus with the other parent and took Romulus away to raise him as a wild, evil being? If the twins (assuming they were twins) were very young at the time, Remus' memories of him would be very vague, and he might even assume that Romulus must have died. JKR can then bring him back as a strong supporter of Voldy.

This is an idea based entirely on fanfic. The good twin/ evil twin thing's been done to death so many other places, and unless she's really sure she can bring a completely fresh spin to it, i doubt JKR would prod this storyline with a bargepole. I dont think my idea as above is that original.

However,

1) it would fit in with the name (maybe too neatly?)
2) it would fit in with mythology
3) knowing that your own parent had become that rotten with the disease would give Remus a really painful insight into ppls' mistrust of them as dark creatures, whilst making him want to cling to his humanity even more.

I can see it happening, but i dont think JKR will do it. I reckon Remus having a sister is more likely, coz ppl wont expect it - especially a sister called Romulus! and if she is on the Dark side, and was never made a Dark creature it would make Remus' persecution even more ironic. I like this idea better, really!

[[VTN]]

miri- wow, very interesting theory! If Rowling chose to give Remus a sister in the books, I'm sure it would just blow everybody away. Don't know how she'll manage to pull that off, though...

my take on the whole remus-romulus-JKR thing: JKR uses a LOT of alliteration to mythology in her book, but it is still her book, she's not rewriting pieces of mythology. And, she only uses mythology alliteration in people's names, so I think she wouldn't take it that far with mythology.

[Mirabella Plunkett]

I think it would be extremely far-fetched-- if not underhanded-- to introduce a Romulus Lupin. I think JK chose the name Remus because it was historic & werewolf-appropriate... just an "inside joke" for readers to chuckly at, nothing more. No one tries to predict Dumledore's fate by examining bumblebees (dumbledore=bumblebee in old English)!

In related news...

Plus, so far, JKR has actually followed *very closely* many of the scattered historically-written characters who are the basis for her own. Harry = Arthur. Dumbledore = Merlin. There will be some betrayals, some bad messy love stories, more betrayals, it would hardly surprise me if Remus did have a twin or brother, and they got into a bit of trouble...


Betrayals? Messy love stories? That's like every soap opera ever written! (Note: I'm not insulting Zora; I'm just trying to make a point.) Although JK does use elements of mythology, legend, etc. in her writing, it's easy for book 5-starved fans like ourselves to overanalyze every sentence. Almost any plot line can be compared to Harry Potter's if you get vague enough. For example, one could argue that in Raising Arizona , a baby is taken from her parents and raised by other people, so maybe book 5 will turn out like that movie. (Actually, I've only seen like 10 minutes of it.)

[Alastor D]

PoA ch.18: "I was a very small boy when I received the bite. My parents tried everything, but in those days there was no cure."

Lupin was rised by normal wizarding parents. Not by wolves nor werewolves. That alone should be enough to blow the theory of rewriting the Romulus and Remus myth.

And if it MUST be true that "nomen est omen", why hasn't anyone predicted that Lupin will go to London and sell The Tower Bridge to some foreigner having more money than brains? Twice. Or brake into MoM's office to steal something?

[dorcasderr]

And by the way, is Remus has a sister, she wouldn't be named Romulus. That is a masculine name. She would be Romula if JKR was pursuing that story line...which I doubt.

[miri]

I liked it better than the one I had before it. which that Lupin quote kinda dissipates anyways. I thought it would kinda be funny for the book to start referring to a Romulus Lupin, by name, neatly no his-or-hers, and everyone remembering the legend and thinking "we're gonna meet Remus' evil twin brother..." then for a girl to step out!
;D

[i wish i knew]

What if Voldemort is somehow Lupin's uncle? He oculd kill him, but what if Voldie gets Lupin first? Someone does die in book 5.... and everyone loves Lupin.

[jr119us]

nah...that wouldnt happen, star trek already did a romulus & remus thing

[stellaluna]

Originally posted by jr119us (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=194695#post194695))
nah...that wouldnt happen, star trek already did a romulus & remus thing


LOL! Yep, that's what I think too...

[Sirius Black]

Well, I think the reason she choose Remus was because in Roman myth, he and his brother Romulus founded Rome, but as children, they were raised by a she-wolf. And we know already that Lupin is a werewolf. the reason she choose Remus instead of Romulus is because Romulus was evil, and Remus is shorter anyways and less strange.

[stellaluna]

*cough*was said before*cough*

[i wish i knew]

but was Romulus realy evil, I dont think so, their uncle was evil though. Romulus only killed Remus, because Remus made some comment and Romulus lost his temper and well, just killed him!!

[Sirius Black]

You don't just kill brothers because they make comments. But what I've heard is Romulus wanted to rule Rome alone, he didn't want to share power so that's why he killed him. And Stellaunua, Cough Cough, I know it's been said before and I think I said it before as well, just repeating because harrypottergirl333's seems new and I don't think she'll go back and look at all the pages.

[i wish i knew]

http://www.mclink.it/n/citrag/roma/...end/elg_112.htm

I'm pasting the site again, it has the legend of Remus and Romulus, the founders of Rome.
And another one
http://mt.essortment.com/romulusremus_rxjk.htm

[stellaluna]

Sorry Sirius... I don't know why I did this... so sorry, forgive me... :bow: ;D

[Cat]

Originally posted by Sirius Black (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=198085#post198085))
You don't just kill brothers because they make comments. But what I've heard is Romulus wanted to rule Rome alone, he didn't want to share power so that's why he killed him.


I've never heard that. I've read the story over and over and I've only seen harrypottergirl333's version - Romulus killed Remus over an argument about the construction.

[stellaluna]

Mhm, I was thinking the same way as Sirius there, that Romolus killed Remus for he wanted to reign Rome alone... :huh:

EDIT: I just kinda reread the story; why again did Remus jump over that wall?!

[Dedalus]

In the legend, didn't Remus mock Romulus for building the walls so low, so he lept over one to prove it? Romulus killed him for mocking him (stupid reason, but there you are).

But I'll again maintain that Remus Lupin has only taken the name from the legend, and for good reason.

[HandsClean]

Um...It's possible despite little probabilities...Who knows?

[miri]

JKR's Remus doesnt seem that likely to bounce... ;)

[Schlubalybub]

seeing as Lupins name is remus, shouldnt he have a brother called Romulus?

[gred&forge4ever]

Just because of legend does not mean that he should have a brother. We are given no indication that a brother exists. Although, the wolf thing is definitely in the books.

[Wild Rose]

Now thats n interesting one, and I haven't heard it before.
Sadly, we have had no other indication, apart from the name. Still, I wonder....

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[Schlubalybub]

i know i have given this link in another thread, but it links to this thread as well!

http://harrypotternz.homestead.com/rumors_b6.html

[Dedalus]

No, I don't think so.

His name was taken from Remus, but he isn't Remus himself, so he needn't have any other similarities (or similar outcomes). His only connection to the original Remus, is his name ... which was a hint, for his own character, and so a bit of a pun. Beyond that, there's no reason to believe that there's any other connection, as his name is a good enough one as it is, especially since Remus is a real used name, as well.

[Wild Rose]

Ah, I tend not to believe the book rumours. They are rarely true, in my experience.

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[Schlubalybub]

im just finding them, even if they arent true, they're interesting!

[caroline40]

Didnt one brother kill the other according to legend ?

[go_anna40]

:lol:
That's a good one...
But I don't think so.
Just as someone said before, just because it exsists in the legend, it doesn't necessary it's going to 'happen' in HP.
But it might. However there is no indication of another Lupin sibling.
Only time will tell.

[Cat]

Danger Mouse!!

*Achem*

Lupin wasn't abandoned as baby, he wasn't really raised by wolves, he probably isn't going to build a city (not in a day, you know) and he might not get killed by any brother named Romulus.

Besides, Romulus is the more famous brother. He's too obvious. She might as well have a character called Zeus.

[Prof.Aze]

I think he does but i also think that he doesn't. Quite confusing? I know. :o I think he has a brother called Romulus. But it's only a legend on Rome so i discard this theory of mine. But who knows this mysterious brother of Remus would just appear someday. I also think he doesn't have a brother because it wasn't said in the book. He could have said it to his friends or to Harry.

[Alastor D]

We had a thread about this. Feel free to make a search. It may be still in the Hidden Forest tough.
Anyway I see no reason for him having a brother just because he's named Remus. Or, as Cat said, founding a town. On the seven hills of Hogsmeade?

[Schlubalybub]

i did do a search, nothhing found, sorry!

[Silver Phoenix]

I know alot of fanfics I've read play off this. But I really don't think JKR would do this. It would be far to obvious for her. Plus, it might copy to close to the legend and this is /her/ story. But *shrug* who knows, i've been wong before.

[FirefightingMuggle]

Or maybe Lupin had a brother who is already dead? Voldemort did kill a lot of wizards and muggles in his day...

[Fuchsia]

This topic covers what is already being discussed in a common room thread called Analyzing Names (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4865)
:) :)

[FawkesBox]

JKR has demonstrated that she gives her characters names for a reason. Each has one which is carefully thought out. Thus I question why someone would say disregard this name of a famous twin not implying that the character is a (probably) a twin merely because she doesn't do such things! After all, she doesn't a single Castor or a Pollux running around! Surely she would have found a name that doesn't bear this connotation which if is false would merely be confusing. If she wanted a wolf related name- there are more out there than just Romulus and Remus! I think that this is a powerful clue which will develop in later books. Clearly Remus Lupin has or had a brother named Romulus. JKR has said that Lupin is her (or one of her) favorite characters. Perhaps the pensieve-shown death of Romulus will be the difficult death to write in OOtP.

[Silver Phoenix]

But, I think its Remus who dies in the Legend. Corret me if i'm wrong ^-^

[FawkesBox]

No no... you are very right. This might prefigure something else... If anyone out there is familiar with the theory which states that Lily performed a switching charm on the idenities of Remus Lupin and James Potter... perhaps this charm was not performed on James and Remus but instead Romulus and Remus- maybe on died in the body of the other... (or maybe this is a crazy theory and I need Book5)

[dogdog]

Originally posted by Silver Phoenix (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=361084#post361084))
But, I think its Remus who dies in the Legend. Corret me if i'm wrong ^-^


I believe that you are correct. Assuming that you are, don't you think that now that wormtail has a "silver paw" that this very well could be what will kill him?

[Cat]

Originally posted by FawkesBox (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=361078#post361078))
JKR has demonstrated that she gives her characters names for a reason. Each has one which is carefully thought out. Thus I question why someone would say disregard this name of a famous twin not implying that the character is a (probably) a twin merely because she doesn't do such things! After all, she doesn't a single Castor or a Pollux running around! Surely she would have found a name that doesn't bear this connotation which if is false would merely be confusing. If she wanted a wolf related name- there are more out there than just Romulus and Remus! I think that this is a powerful clue which will develop in later books. Clearly Remus Lupin has or had a brother named Romulus. JKR has said that Lupin is her (or one of her) favorite characters. Perhaps the pensieve-shown death of Romulus will be the difficult death to write in OOtP.


Why did she pick 'Remus' out of all other wolf names she could have chosen? Because she liked 'Remus' better, that's why. She had to pick a name, but she didn't have to take all the baggage with it.

Is Minerva McGonagall a handsome Roman goddess who is constantly clad in battle gear? No.

Is Sirius is large amount of gas in space? No.

Is Dumbledore, in fact, a bee? No!

They have their names for their own reasons, not for reasoning behind every single thing that can be applied to the name.

Incidentally, did you know she got the name Lockhart from a war memorial? And that Ernie and Stan are the names of her two grandfathers? Name origins are incredibly interesting, and she can be incredibly witty with them, but don't always look too deeply into them. Or, at least, don't presume you must be right just becase the history book or dictionary says so.

[black&potter]

Although it hasnt been mentioned , He may very well have a brother.
BUT i also agree with a few others , just because his name is Remus doesnt mean there will be a Romulus

[Alastor D]

I don't think JKR is cheap enough to name a Lupin brother 'Romulus'.
Lupin grew up in his parents' loving care, but was accidentally bitten by a werewolf. Where on earth is the connection to Romulus, Remus and the she-wolf?

[AvidSkyRise]

JK Rowling doesn't always stick to legends, she makes her own

[xxquixx]

i think that the introduction of lupin's brother would be too much... remus is enough, i think...

[Prof.Aze]

Originally posted by FirefightingMuggle (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=360771#post360771))
Or maybe Lupin had a brother who is already dead? Voldemort did kill a lot of wizards and muggles in his day...


I agree that maybe Lupin's brother was killed. Maybe we would get to know him a little while. What if the real member of the order was really Lupin's brother and that Lupin took place because his brother already died and want to take revenge.:eyebrows:

[dumbleedore]

Obviously JK wanted to use it as a clue as to what he really was and Romulos was too predictable, so she went with Remus.

[rotsiepots]

We've just restored a thread on this topic entitled Does Remus Lupin have a brother? (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6200) to the Great Hall.

I'll merge this thread with the existing topic. :)

[Schlubalybub]

alright, fine by me!

[Daily Propheter]

Originally posted by Cat (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=361380#post361380))
Why did she pick 'Remus' out of all other wolf names she could have chosen? Because she liked 'Remus' better, that's why. She had to pick a name, but she didn't have to take all the baggage with it.

Is Minerva McGonagall a handsome Roman goddess who is constantly clad in battle gear? No.

Is Sirius is large amount of gas in space? No.

Is Dumbledore, in fact, a bee? No!

They have their names for their own reasons, not for reasoning behind every single thing that can be applied to the name.

Incidentally, did you know she got the name Lockhart from a war memorial? And that Ernie and Stan are the names of her two grandfathers? Name origins are incredibly interesting, and she can be incredibly witty with them, but don't always look too deeply into them. Or, at least, don't presume you must be right just becase the history book or dictionary says so.


Well said! That's precisely how I feel, that the names she picks doesn't always mean that they're the characters straight out of the legends.

[Puffskein]

[i]Originally posted by Cat (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=361380#post361380)[i]

Is Minerva McGonagall a handsome Roman goddess who is constantly clad in battle gear? No.

Is Sirius is large amount of gas in space? No.

Is Dumbledore, in fact, a bee? No!



:lol:

I might add:
Does Sybill Trelawney live in a cave?
Is Hermione a queen who's accused of adultery?
Are Lily, Petunia, Lavender, Pansy and Narcissa actually flowers?
Is Rubeus Hagrid a hungover bramble bush?
Was James Potter a maker of ceramics?

[shadow fox]

As many have said, it would be silly to bring Romulus (is that how you spell it?) to life in the books as Remus brother. There was a rumor I've heard that Romulus would portray as QUIRREL'S brother other than REMUS' brother. Romulus would be seeking revenge for the death of his brother. Hmm, a little corny if you ask me. There was another rumor that Romulus would be the next DADA teacher in either book 6 or book 7. I doubt that Romulus would acutually ever be brought to life as a character in HP. Remus is quite enough....for me that is :o

[dyingmoon]

I think that Remus will be killed, but not by his brother(if he really has one). It'll be some one he once consided a friend. It would be taking it to far to have Romulus, but JKR might use the same sort of story line, you know, stabed in the back by some one once believed a friend.....I don't know, I'm just guessing!

[Golden snitch 4]

No, he hasn't a brother...sooooooooooooorry......................but that was clever to you to think that he has one.... but I read the site of JK Rowling and she put that he hasn't a brother... :p

[Puffskein]

Actually she put that he hasn't got a twin brother. I don't think she ruled out the possibility of an older or younger one.

[Cat]

Actually she put that he hasn't got a twin brother. I don't think she ruled out the possibility of an older or younger one.

Judging by her response, even if he is supposed to have a brother, he presumably won't be a 'Romulus' character.