CoSForums Archive - Death Eaters in the Ministry of Magic

Jessica

March 27th, 2003, 11:31 pm

When Harry was watching the Pensieve trials, he saw Ludo Bagman explain that he was not a deatheater but that he had only aided them inadvertantly while following the orders of Rockwood in the Ministry of Magic.

1. What happened to Rockwood? Did they believe Bagman and kick him out or is he still there?

2. Is anyone else in the MoM secretly a death eater? We've seen very unusual behavior at the end of GoF from Fudge. And we know that Lucius Malfoy is very influential with the ministry.

Creepy.

Cat

March 27th, 2003, 11:35 pm

Macnair's a Death Eater.

I think Rookwood was mentioned by Voldemort as one in Azkaban, but I can't really remember.

pegoheart144

March 27th, 2003, 11:40 pm

MacNair, the executioner that was sent to kill Buckbeak is a Death Eater. He was in the graveyard when Voldemort was resurrected. That's the only one that I know for sure.

aiko amaya

March 28th, 2003, 1:09 am

Well yeah there are death Eaters in the ministry and hey are probably working as spies now that Voldermort has returned. Who knows maybe Fudge is a death eater, no wait thats idocy, well I dunno .

Jessica

March 28th, 2003, 1:13 am

I totally forgot about MacNair.

What does he do besides executions? Does anybody know?

HbAznKyootie

March 28th, 2003, 1:13 am

Well, just like there are good spys working as Death Eaters, there are also spys working for the Ministry, pretending to see the error of their ways, and binding their time till Voldemort would rise again. Now that he has, they're gonna be loyal too him, and still keep their Ministry jobs.

mol93hermione

March 28th, 2003, 1:29 am

I think that MacNair is not very influential in the ministry. Of course, Fudge knew who he was in the goblet of fire. I doubt Fudge knows everyone in the ministry. Yet he was there when MacNair came to execute Buckbeak. I'll just keep arguing with myself if I keep going. I'll stop.

Barbara Kennedy

April 1st, 2003, 4:56 pm

I'm sure Voldemort has secret followers in most Ministry sections. They are not necessarily Death Eaters however.

Daily Propheter

April 1st, 2003, 5:42 pm

Voldy must have a few well placed spies in the Ministry - I mean, if he can get someone into Hogwarts, surely he can get a spy into the ministry. Someone could start in a low level job and work their way up, all the while passing information onto Voldy.

Weatherby

April 1st, 2003, 11:07 pm

I'm sure they'll get more turncoats and spies before this is all over.
Not to mention the money they'll spend.

Hpmons

April 9th, 2003, 10:28 pm

I apologize in advance if someone has already had this, I did actually check this time; but anyway...

McNair was mentioned in the 3rd and 4th book. In the 3rd he was about to decapitate Buckbeak.

However, McNair is also mentioned as a Death Eater at Voldermorts re-birth ceromony; showing that he is a spy in the MoM. Will we see more of him in the future? Will Harry tell Fudge that he is a DE, and more importantly, would Fudge believe him? Did McNair said he had been forced, or under the Imperius curse?

"McNair!" Harry continued.
"Also cleared! Now working for the Ministry!" [Fudge speaking]

Will he play an important role in future books, telling Voldermort what Fudges plans are?

Starseyer

April 9th, 2003, 10:31 pm

I would expect McNair to show up in future books. I hope that Fudge, thick as he is, will at least keep a closer eye on him after what Harry said.

Shoujo Kitsune

April 9th, 2003, 10:33 pm

I know that there are a lot of things that JKR has set up in the past few books, so this could be one of them...

but, hey if Fudge does dney McNair's possibilities as a DE (even though we know he is) maybe Fudge is one????

rotsiepots

April 9th, 2003, 10:33 pm

I'm going to merge this thread with an existing topic entitled Death Eaters in the Ministry of Magic (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7375).

If another admin/mod thinks these threads should remain separate, please split the threads. :)

Aoife Diggle

April 13th, 2003, 7:29 pm

Voldemort must have quite a few spies in the Minstry, if not now then definately in the past, and as has been shown in the past he will have no problem recruiting weak people again to work for him.

We also must remember that the Minstry has been effectively been split in 2, those who accept Voldemort is back and are willing to act now and those who don't. If Arthur Weasley and whoever else are on his side keep things quiet and only inform their most trusted collegues then Voldemort's spy network might not be as effective as before. But then again how can you know who to trust and who not to trust!

Shoujo Kitsune

April 13th, 2003, 7:53 pm

If you notice though, almost all of the deatheaters in the Ministry who have been brought to trail, have been cleared...why? there must be someone in the ministry that they have not accused that is getting them off....and! those who support the muggles and believe that Voldemort has risen have been held back for all these years! Why...there must be somone in there who wants to keep them from getting power and effectivly facing Voldemort....I still think it is Fudge. Who else would let Lucius Malfoy have reign over the school board and such.....By the way, I noticed in the movie, Fudge was not so surprised that Malfoy showed up on the grounds....he must have known...

Hpmons

April 13th, 2003, 8:19 pm

The movie isnt a reliable source though.

I dont believe Fudge is a DE, I cant explain why, but I just dont. However, certain wizards may bribe people in the MoM, for them to be cleared: bribe, threated or reward people for letting them go. Others say that they had been under the Imperius Curse - something quite hard to prove either way. Also, many DEs who were caught were not big spporters, so they did deals with the Ministry - if they named enough names, then they would be set free.

Shoujo Kitsune

April 13th, 2003, 8:25 pm

But they still returned to Voldemort and were not really punished for the release of the names and the betrayal of their fellow DE's, suggesting that it was okay because they did not turn in the ones that really mattered...so to speak...

But the movie is a reliable source as of the release of the DVD interview with JK and Klove which stated that she told Klove the most so far and he is making moves (and CCas well) that are cleared by her because of the direction the books will take in the future....

Hpmons

April 13th, 2003, 8:33 pm

What the interview said to me, was that certain scenes had to be shown in a certain way, or certain speeches must be put in etc. It is more the scenes themselves that are important, and I dont think that the facial expressions of certain people in the film can be considered reliable evidence that certain rumours are more likely to be true. But I do understand you. I still think its possible Fudge could be a DE, there isnt any good evidence to prove that he isnt (or not that I know of).

Rowena Ravenclaw

April 13th, 2003, 8:38 pm

Originally posted by Daily Propheter (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=245169#post245169))
I mean, if he can get someone into Hogwarts, surely he can get a spy into the ministry.

Hmm...anyone know exactly when Snape started teaching?

Anyway, just because Voldemort hasn't punished those who talked or pretended to be under a curse doesn't mean all's been forgiven. He'll almost certainly hold it over their heads when trying to make them do risky jobs. Likewise, those at the Ministry who remain loyal to Dumbledore won't have forgotten, either, and will probably try and keep an eye on them. If someone starts squeezing those people out without any good justification (or even a lousy one, like not being respectful to Fudge), then maybe we can suspect a high-up spy.

Hpmons

April 13th, 2003, 8:46 pm

"I want you to kill Harry!"
"Awww...but people might hate me, what will happen to me?"
"You deserted me for 13 years and this is the first thing I want you to do. And you REFUSE? Crucio!"

I believe that Snape got the job soon after (or just before) James and Lily died. This is becuase a few years before that, Snape was still a Death Eater, so Im sure Dumbledore would not want him as a teacher. However, when he turned into a spy against Voldermort, Dumbledore may have wanted him to fully concentrate on being a spy, or may have wanted him to work at Hogwarts, so he could keep in contact with him easily.

black&potter

April 14th, 2003, 12:39 am

i dont believe fudge is a death eater however he does seem to have a blind eye when it comes to making sense out of the movements and motivations of the death eaters but im not saying he favors them i think he is just to worried about loosing his job to admit the truth about the whole big picture he is seeing
he does admit to dumbledore that it is a frightning idea that voldemort has returned but i think he was more in disbelief than deniability we will soon see ------ only about 2 more months ------

Barbara Kennedy

April 15th, 2003, 2:03 pm

Are we aware of just who else advises Fudge too? Not all of Voldemort's followers are necessarily Death Eaters. He could be fed erronious information or downright lies by others in the MoM with their own agenda.

Jessica

April 16th, 2003, 12:54 am

Originally posted by Barbara Kennedy (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=267790#post267790))
Are we aware of just who else advises Fudge too? Not all of Voldemort's followers are necessarily Death Eaters. He could be fed erronious information or downright lies by others in the MoM with their own agenda.

What do you think the difference is between a supporter and a DeathEater? I'm curious, I'm not disagreeing with you.

Hagrid says in Book 1 that Fudge is a puppet for Dumbledore so it sounds like someone else has taken control of the puppet. I don't think Fudge himself is good or bad, I think he's just weak and does whatever his puppetmaster tells him.

If this is the case who do we think is controlling him now? Malfoy is the obviuos answer but JKR doesn't always go for the obvious.

jordmundt6

April 16th, 2003, 1:44 am

Well, Fudge as a rule isn't bad. But he's elitist, he loves his position, and he's got a marshmallow backbone. In these times, I'm not sure who's worse. Crouch who becomes like the enemy to defeat the enemy? or Fudge who'd just stand aside and let it happen? Either way, same result. Oh, and Fudge is an idiot besides.

Barbara Kennedy

April 23rd, 2003, 6:23 pm

Fudge is certainly acting like one.
I wonder if he's always been a weathervane politician or is this a new facet of his personality?

Alastor D

April 23rd, 2003, 7:25 pm

Probably always been. The first time we hear of him Hagrid calls him a bungler.

DocHollidaywe

April 23rd, 2003, 10:31 pm

Im sure there are some

Barbara Kennedy

April 24th, 2003, 1:23 am

Originally posted by jessicacarstens (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=268576#post268576))
What do you think the difference is between a supporter and a DeathEater? I'm curious, I'm not disagreeing with you.

Hagrid says in Book 1 that Fudge is a puppet for Dumbledore so it sounds like someone else has taken control of the puppet. I don't think Fudge himself is good or bad, I think he's just weak and does whatever his puppetmaster tells him.

If this is the case who do we think is controlling him now? Malfoy is the obviuos answer but JKR doesn't always go for the obvious.

Sorry, I would have answered this earlier but I missed reading it until now.
I believe that the Death Eaters are Voldemort's chosen "Inner Circle" of bad boys [and girls]. Unlike his run-of-the-mill supporter who Voldemort possibly has never even heard of, this group is closely directed by Voldemort or his lieutenants [whoever they may be]. They answer directly to Voldemort and carry out his immediate orders.

2Cool127

April 24th, 2003, 7:17 pm

I dont think Fudge is a DE. I think he is just stupid!!!!!!!

Weatherby

April 24th, 2003, 9:00 pm

I don't think he's stupid exactly 2Cool127
. Fudge isn't as intelligent as Dumbledore or Arthur Weasley. He's gullible and he doesn't know much about psychology. He only looks to how Lucius treats him and his wallet.
He's not aware of what's going on around him. He may be intelligent with spells and be capable of running a huge staff of wizards.

Barbara Kennedy

April 24th, 2003, 9:01 pm

Yes, just remember, Einstein couldn't tie his own shoes......

Jessica

April 25th, 2003, 2:35 am

If the ministry is controlling Hogwarts in 5 (as many of us suspect) then we will probably be introduced to several new ministry officials in 5. I think it is likely that at least one of them will be a member of Voldemort's camp.

jordmundt6

April 25th, 2003, 2:41 am

Yeah, try most of them. They'll be Fudge's handpicked assistants (with special advice from trusted consultant Lucius Malfoy).

Jessica

April 25th, 2003, 2:43 am

Good point.

Harry's gonna have a great year!

jordmundt6

April 25th, 2003, 2:51 am

Oh you know it. As things get tougher he rises to the challenge with ever more amazing feats. By that count, this year should be spectacular.

Tsar

June 16th, 2003, 3:53 pm

I would imagine that being a spy for Voldemort in the Department of Mysteries would I think be enough to warrant the Dementor's Kiss being used on Rookwood.

Barbara Kennedy

June 16th, 2003, 5:11 pm

Yes , but they have to catch him first. We never heard if they removed him from his position or even believed Karkaroff about him being a Death Eater. He may have been one of the people who claimed he was forced to be one under the Imperious Curse.

Alastor D

June 16th, 2003, 5:21 pm

Yes, we don't know what happened to Rookwood. But Ludo Bagman was brought to court because he had passed information to Rookwood, or so it seems. It's likely that Rookwood being a spy was an established fact by then. But likely is not the same as certainly.

Tsar

June 16th, 2003, 5:23 pm

Barbara Kennedy, I see your point I hope that is one of the mysteries revealed in book 5.

Peace
Tsar

Barbara Kennedy

June 16th, 2003, 5:32 pm

We all hope to have a lot of mysteries cleared up by the next book, Tsar, but of course JKR will likely add a few more questions into the mix as well.:whistle:

Moonstone

June 16th, 2003, 5:42 pm

Rookwood may well have been at Voldemort's little reunion at the end of GoF. Several Death Eaters present were conspicuously not named.

FirefightingMuggle

June 16th, 2003, 6:30 pm

Moonstone-good point....and I bet that JKR did that for a very good reason, as in it would give away too much of the overall mystery.
I don't believe that Fudge is a Death-eater. I do believe that he like DD said is too blineded by his position to see the truth. I think that sometimes Fudge chooses what is easy.
There have to be more DE's in the MoM that we know about. McNair.....who else? I bet we will find out. what do we know about Mafilda Hopkirk????

Marie Lexis

April 29th, 2004, 10:03 pm

I do think that there might be more Death Eaters in the Ministry of Magic. That does seem like Fudge was acting a little strange. But I don't think that he's a Death Eater. I mean just look in book 5. Although J.K.R. does have a habit of tricking us into believing something. Never underestimate her.

jordmundt6

April 30th, 2004, 2:16 am

Tane--are you kidding? Please tell me you're kidding:rolleyes: Look, Hermione almost (emphasis on ALMOST) died from that spell and in order to recover she had to take 10 different types of potion per day while under Poppy Pomfrey's care. She didn't die, but she was a good deal more than "stunned."