Who will reach the giants and Dementors first?

[Shoujo Kitsune]

Much appologies if I do it again and start something that has already been started, but I swear i do look things up....:scared:

Anyways, at the end of book four, both Volde and DD have set out representatives to recruit the giants and the dementors, so who do you think will get there first...and who's side will they choose?

[Elf_Princess]

I hope the good guys get there first. I think Hagrid could get the giants on their side. I doubt the dementors will say no to voldemort. He can send lots of happy people to azkaban for the dementors to feed on. I couldn't see Dumbledore promissing them something like that.

[Shoujo Kitsune]

Yeah, ...hey, I just remembered...why does DD hate the Dementors so much, I know they are bad and all, but he seems to be harboring a lot of ppent up tension for them, mnore than anyone else (besides Harry)

[aiko amaya]

The dementors will side with Voldermort, it's so a given. But we don't know for sure that Voldermort has sent people to go get the giants. I think that as long as Hagrid and Madam Maxine Treat this with uttermost urgency they will get there first and get the Giants on their sides.

[Shoujo Kitsune]

So, what will they do....I mean, how could they stop the dementors...I think Harry is the youngest wizard to produce an effective patronis, thus saying that not everyone could fend them off

[Huntingdon]

I susepct that Voldemorts emissary will reach the Dementors first, simply because it is likely to result in more mayhem and chaos - we know they scare a lot of wizards. I don't recall DD sending anyone to Azkaban anyway... ?

As for the Giants - I suspect they'll probably get there around the same time to make for the interesting struggle of the book - they have to convince the giants over the dark side and there will be some sort of scarifice. This fits in with the idea that Hagrid dies...

[Yavanna]

If the question is who will meet up with Voldemort first and not the giants, my answer is this: Somehow, no matter how many people are out looking for Voldemort, he will reach Harry first. Or at least that would be the stereotypical hero way. It may be like book 3, where Harry has no run on's with Voldemort, or maybe he doesn't meet up with him at all. If he had another duel it would be cliche and like the 4th book. JKR is smart enough to suprise us, so I don't know who will meet up with Voldemort first. But, if the books are anything like every other hero book, evil :devil: will be defeated, most likely, mainly by Harry. :clappy:
I don't know about the giants, but I hope they will side with hagrid, one of their own.

[aiko amaya]

THe thing is they can't really. It will make it a very hard fight, lots of struggle. NOt very many qualified wizards can do it, it's extrodinary that harry can produce one. I think it will just have to take alot of courage from those fighting them.

[Shoujo Kitsune]

so how do they protect the people from the kiss?

[aiko amaya]

thats the scary thing, they can't.

[harrythebest]

I think the giants will side with Dumbledore but the Dementors will side with Voldemort. I agree with Adamslove that people can't be protected and that's the scary thing. I'm not sure that the giants can defeat the Dementors... not any sure.

[RonFan24]

Is there a way to "kill" the Dementors? I can't seem to remember if it was mentioned in the book or if I had read it somewhere on the boards.

[aiko amaya]

It hasn't been mentition, but I think you could. I mean you could like stab it or something just like anyother creature right?

[rotsiepots]

:yup: The Dementors siding with Voldemort is inevitable, I'm afraid.

The most interesting situation, however, will be the one involving the giants. I suppose it all depends on whether Hagrid and Maxime reach the giants first and manage to convince them not to side with Voldemort.

Book five can't come quickly enough...

[dorcasderr]

Well, unless we know what the Dementors really ARE, how can we know how to kill them? I know they are supposed to be the personification of DEPRESSION and that chocolate is an antidote...so what to we do boil them in hot chocolate? We really don't know what their SUBSTANCE is, however...But they will surely side with Voldemort...at least at first. But if he crosses them in some way, or if any of his minions do, then they will equally undoubtedly turn on him. Somehow the concepts of "Dementors" and
"loyalty" don't go together.

[Shoujo Kitsune]

hey thanks for the input guys...

I think you are right Rotsi...there is no way that the Dementors are not going to side with the dark side....

So, if the dementors are in essance feeding off of people's depression, couldn't they (the goodies) just feed everyone chocolat...that is a very happy thing (not just the cure) and then the dementors would starve and whither away....

okay, I know it sounds lame....but hey, thought I woul dgive it a shot...

[Weatherby]

I agree with rotsiepots too.
I just assume the Dementors are working with Voldemort now. :)
The giants may go either way. Infact perhaps some will split up and both teams will have giants helping them.
Or they'll surprise us all and stay completely out of it.

[Bilbo]

I have to agree. The Dementors will join with Voldemort. I think the Giants will split. Some will join Dumbledore; others Voldemort. They don't seem the species that sticks together.

[Shoujo Kitsune]

nice wheatherby....you know...what if they can't find where the giants are hidding....are they going to send recruits to other countries to band together and help the stop Volde campeign?

[Jinxie Cat]

so who do you think will get there first...and who's side will they choose?

I think Dumbledore (with the help of Hagrid) will get to the giants first and the giants will join that side.... And I think Voldemort will get to the Dementors (and probably Azkaban) first.....

[Earendil]

I think that in the event that the giants side with DD and the good guys, it will be a great chance to prove everyone wrong who automatically assume that all giants are evil. I don't have my book in front of me but Hermione says in GoF, "Honestly, all this hysteria about giants....they cant be all bad, can they? its just the same sort of prejudice that people have about werewolves", or something along those lines.
of course, many of the giants did side with voldemort, but this could be a chance for the select few to redeem themselves.

[MadMagic]

I hope that Dumbledore and co. get to the giants first although I don't know if they will all join the good side. The fact that Hagrid and Madame Maxime are the people going will probably help their cause.

And is there any doubt in anyone's mind that the Dementors will join Voldemort. I don't think there is any good in them.

[Shoujo Kitsune]

What if, just if.... the Dementors don't pick a side, but use the time to set themselves free from Azkaban (cuz it is almost a prison for them too) and roam the country feeding off of anyone...good and bad??? Just a thought though

[Earendil]

Ooooh, creepy, just imagine the dementors loose, prowling around in the black cloaks and kissing people....like a dementor night on the town
::gulp:: JKR has mentioned a thousand times that everyone is absolutely terrified of the dementors, so it seems inevitable that they will either join with voldemort or find some other way to continue to scare people out of their wits. They've been developed as being far too creepy to suddenly join the good side, in a way that would be smooth and plausible.

[FoolOnTheHill]

mme.ravenclaw:

You've got it confused, the Dementors feed off happiness and make people depressed. So chocolate is only good once they've already gotten the happiness sucked out of them.

I agree that Dumbledore will get the Giants, Voldy the dementors. Scary thought, really.

[Barbara Kennedy]

Check out the thread "All-inclusive Dementors thread" for more on the dementors.


I certainly hope the Giants are convinced to join Dumbledore quickly, before the Voldemort people get there.

[RonFan24]

I think some of the Giants will side with Dumbledore, but does that necessarily mean that the others will side with Voldemort? Maybe they won't "side" with anyone. Just a thought.

[Mega]

It's pretty obvious that the Dementors will side with Voldemort. Dementors are basicly pure evil. They have no good in them. I don't think they really care about who wins the war but Voldermort will proberly give them the freedom to kiss whoever they want. The giants will proberly side with Dumbledore. God can you imagian the the fight scene in the movie!? The Dementors and Death Eaters vs. the good whitches / Wizards and the giants. It will be like the Battle At Helm's Deep out of the LOTR.

[aiko amaya]

Originally posted by Mega (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=262245#post262245))
It's pretty obvious that the Dementors will side with Voldemort. Dementors are basicly pure evil. They have no good in them. I don't think they really care about who wins the war but Voldermort will proberly give them the freedom to kiss whoever they want. The giants will proberly side with Dumbledore. God can you imagian the the fight scene in the movie!? The Dementors and Death Eaters vs. the good whitches / Wizards and the giants. It will be like the Battle At Helm's Deep out of the LOTR.

right, like dumbledore said to Fudge, Voldermort will give them a better scooe or use of their powers and they would not remain loyal to them.

[Buttercup]

The giants might just want to mind their own business. Be neutral if they can. Even then though at least DD wouldn't have to worry about them joining with Vold.

I feel that Vold will use the prejudice that people seem to have against giants to try to convice the giants to join him. Hagrid and Maxime have their work cut out for them because while they are part giant they are not purebred and the other giants might be prejudiced against them.

[jr119us]

We'll get the giants but for sure Voldy will get the dementors. In all good stories, the good guy is an underdog, and Harry has a big problem with Dementors.

[Auri DeMeer]

I still wonder why the Dementors were not in Voldemort's side before his downfall. Maybe the DE thought themselves powerful enough and didn't need any more help?

[Shoujo Kitsune]

I was thinking about that too, which is why I was wondering if they were going to join them now....

[Auri DeMeer]

I can imagine the Dementors can easily run out of control; it's a dangerous thing also for the DE.

[Shoujo Kitsune]

True, very true...do you think that the DE's want them to join?

[Auri DeMeer]

I wouldn't like to be in a meeting with Dementors to try and reason with them about anything... But Voldemort surely said they would join. The DE won't be very happy about this.

[Shoujo Kitsune]

Given that they have sucked the life out of so many of them...I agree. But I think that good ol' DD will have something up his sleave to keep them away.....Has anyone thought of how they might be killed? I am still thinking about it.

[Auri DeMeer]

Originally posted by mme.ravenclaw (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=263420#post263420))
Has anyone thought of how they might be killed? I am still thinking about it.

Well, if the patronus created by a happy thought can fight them, what about a hundred patronus at the same time? Or a hundred happy thoughts?

[Mega]

Maybe symbols of happyness hurts them. You know something that your mom got you or a wedding ring or something corny like that.

[smartypants]

Originally posted by Auri DeMeer (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=263349#post263349))
I still wonder why the Dementors were not in Voldemort's side before his downfall.


Do we know that they weren't?

[Mega]

We don't really know alot of details before Voldermort's downfall.

[Mike21]

I dont think the dementers were on the side of Voldamorte befoe because Voldamorte would of said "well recall the giants and Dementers" not "well recall the giants". Voldamorte however may not have htought about them the last time but hes had 13 years to think of his next rise to power.

I think that avada kadavra can kill dementrs because they have an almost human form (even though they are a little decayed). Or prehaps you could reducio to blast a whole through its head.

[Barbara Kennedy]

I had a thought about a dementor's robes. Are they to hide their form or to protect them from exposure to....what? Sunlight?

[Weatherby]

That's a good question. I'm going to agree with Barbara Kennedy's theory.
I can't help but imagine the Dementors to look like the Nazgul.

[Mayerlin]

Concerning the giants, I think we all have to remember that they are not Voldemort's natural allies. They have always been outcasts. When they joined the evil side during the Voldemort's first reign, it's because he made them false promises. He told them he would fight for their rights and their social recognition. He told them they would get a place into society if they sided with him.

As a result, most of them were hunted and killed by Aurors. The survivors had to go inyo hiding.

People think that the giants are naturally violent and bloodthirsty but I would say it's just another exaggerated prejudice.

They may side with Voldemort because they seek revenge but, in my opinion,they are more likely to join the good side for two reasons:

First, they will remember that they didn't get what Voldie promised, most of them are dead instead so they won't be cheated twice.

Second, the same arguments of gaining a social status would be far more effective coming from Hagrid and Madame Maxime.
After all, both of them are quite well integrated into society since Madame Maxime is the haedmistress of a famous wizard school and Hagrid owes his position to Dumbledore.

If Dumbledore promises the giants that they will be accepted by society, Hagrid and Olympe are living proofs that he is not lying.

As for Dementors, they won't side with anyone. It is their nature to suck happiness out of people, any people. Voldemort will use that at his own benefit but I don't think he can control them, give them orders of any kind. If they have any occasion to kiss a DE for dinner, then I don't think anyone, even Voldie can prevent them from savouring a good meal.

I don't think they can be killed either (just my opinion), we are not even sure that they are alive.

[Filius Flitwick]

I could easily see the dementors siding with Voldemort again, and everyone going against them practicing their Patronuses. If Hagrid's mother or Madam Maxime's giant parent is a giant of any importance then I could see the giants teaming up with Dumbledore.

[Mike21]

did they(dementers) side with Voldamorte in his first rise to power? If any book in the seris says that please post its page number and the book title.

[Filius Flitwick]

Page 707 in Goblet of Fire, about half way down Dumbledore tells Fudge that Dementors have to be removed from Azkaban.

[Shoujo Kitsune]

The Giants were with Volde the first time...as mentioned, but the Dementors were not..I think that they still might not side with Voldemort and choose to be their own free agents....killing anyone that comes along...DE or not...

[Filius Flitwick]

Dang, I've been misreading it this whole time. You're right, it never says that they were with Voldemort before, rather that they would join him the second he offered.

[Shoujo Kitsune]

yup, yup....which is why I think that if Fudge is not a DE then they will not side with anyone...

[Barbara Kennedy]

I'm pretty sure the Dementors are entirely on their OWN side and the rest of the world, muggle or magic, is just their all-you-can-eat buffet!

[Shoujo Kitsune]

I am moving this up so we can continue the discussion abou the dementors here...

[Weatherby]

I wonder why Voldemort didn't try to recruit them before? Perhaps the dementors weren't placed at Azkaban before so he had no use for them.

[Shoujo Kitsune]

But I thought they were placed there after...I could be wrong...But perhapse he wasnted to show his power first, then recruit them in..under him, as not to challenge his goal...they can be very stuborn about doing what they want...

[Weatherby]

They are apparently his "natural" allies.
I see them more like Shelob in LOTR. Sauron had uses for her but she didn't work for him exactly.

[Barbara Kennedy]

Perhaps he cannot control them either. He is willing to give prisoners over to them but he cannot make them do what he wills.

[Shoujo Kitsune]

I see them as a threat to him unless he has established his power...he is going to call on them now, because he cannot wait, he has to act...but yes, Like Shelob...in a way...but he cannot really control them

[Filius Flitwick]

Well, we know that Fudge can't control them...it's possible that voldemort could do something. But if the one thing they fear are Patronuses then how would Voldemort summon one? He doesn't seem like a guy with many happy memories.

[Barbara Kennedy]

Very good point, another weakness of Voldemort's. Hhmmm,
Harry can do a Patronus and V can't.
Can anyone guess what I'm thinking?

[Fuchsia]

Voldemort can give them what they want but they'd just be paid employees rather than slaves like Peter.

[Weatherby]

That's true.
I think more fully evil people are more safe in Voldemort's company than yellows such as Peter.
Lucius seems more grounded in the circle. He wasn't even as chastited as the others were for abadoning him.
The Dementors could hold their own with Voldemort.

[Shoujo Kitsune]

Harry is definately the stronger when it come to happy thgouths (you can fly! sorry...wrong story...)

[Fuchsia]

I like your thinking Weatherby. They can hold their own with him if they are evil enough.

[Barbara Kennedy]

Originally posted by mme.ravenclaw (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=278026#post278026))
Harry is definately the stronger when it come to happy thgouths (you can fly! sorry...wrong story...)


Who says it doesn't apply here too???????

[Shoujo Kitsune]

hehe...yeah, your right!

But the dementors are going to be giving up a lot if they were to join with him...in the sense that they would be aligning themselves with him and have to listen to what he dictates...no that they have it good now, but I do think that they will be more inclined to go their own way...

[Barbara Kennedy]

Definitely their own way. I see them entering a battle between good and evil and attacking everyone in sight.

[Fuchsia]

I don't think the dementors would really be giving anything up since they don't do anything but feed.

[Shoujo Kitsune]

That's exactly what I think! There is no way Voldemort could control them, even if he had a happy thoguht to conjure a potronus!

[Weatherby]

I agree with Fuchsia.
Voldemort could be beneficial to them and couldn't really take away freedoms or free will in their case.

[Shoujo Kitsune]

Well, I can see that, but in the same light, if they are hungry and no one is there but the DE's, then what are they going to do? Stop and think? or feed?

[Filius Flitwick]

I think that when they start running out of wizards to feed on then they'll start going after muggles. Voldemort wouldn't be satisfied with only a secret world, he would want it all. Dementors would be a good tool to do that, muggles would have no idea what they were or how to attack them.

[Shoujo Kitsune]

That woudl eventually be the goal, to take over the world, yes...so, are you pondering what I'm pondering????;)

[Filius Flitwick]

How are we going to get bowling shoes for all of the Dementors?

NARF!!!

Sorry, couldn't pass up the opportunity.

Nope, what are you pondering?

[Shoujo Kitsune]

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

No, Pinky...
NARF!

....sorry back on topic...but really, I think that Volde, if he does get a hold of the dementors. would send them on to the muggles, to complete his whole plan of genocide...

[Filius Flitwick]

Yeah, his first time around they said that he killed a lot of muggles and with the dementors it would be a lot easier. Unless silver bullets work on them or something, but I doubt it.

[Shoujo Kitsune]

Well, if he does get to them, then He'd better find a way to control them, or he might be done for!

[Barbara Kennedy]

I don't think anyone even has an idea IF the dementors can be killed.

[Mayerlin]

Before thinking about killing them, we should try to know if they are alive. You cannot kill what is already dead.

[Shoujo Kitsune]

Well, Harry did describe the hand as ghost like and whithered...maybe they aren't alive...Which makes me think that DD wouldn't want them on his side anyway...

[dreamingfifi]

Well, there has to be a way to distroy them, how else are they defeted time and time again? I don't think a pantronus could kill one.

[Shoujo Kitsune]

But there is no evidence saying that they have been defeated...not that I know of, we know that Voldmort wants to go after them to join them and that they were not on his side the first time around...but not that they have been defeated...

[Barbara Kennedy]

Back to the Giants for a moment, I just hope that Hagrid and Madame Maxime will arrive in time to talk to the Giants before Voldemort's people begin working on them.

[OK, back to what ever you wanted to talk about, Thanks]

[Mayerlin]

I think Hagrid and Madame Maxime will arrive at the giants at the same time as Voldie's supporters or maybe a bit late. It will consist in the first moment of tension or action in the new book. Eventually, the giants will join DD's side because of Hagrid's and Olympe's arguments.

I just say that the two will be a bit late because the death eaters may know where the giants'hideout is since they were alredy allies in the past.

[Barbara Kennedy]

I'm afraid I see the possibilty of a split even among the giants, some backing Dumbledore and some wanting to go back to Voldemort. At the very least that could cause a delay in their decision, at the worst they could begin fighting among themselves too.

[Mayerlin]

That's a fair possibility considering the violent nature that society assumes they have. If the giants fought among themselves, that would be a disaster for the good side. Voldemort would certainly appreciate that kind of mayhem.

I can pretty well imagine Hagrid dying (if he is the one to die) because he wanted to save his mother during a fight against another giant.

[Weatherby]

I'm not sure if Hagrid can convince the giants to help wizards after being persecuted for long. His mom probably left because she couldn't live in their world. Or she doesn't give a fig for her son.. in that case Hagrid better be a smooth talker. ;)

Dementors will prove to be powerful allies for Voldemort. They'll feel hopeless and depressed and not care what happens to everyone else.
They'll be too busy crying in bed to notice what's going on around them.

[black&potter]

I'm all for Hagrid getting there first but has anyone thought the giants may not like the idea Hagrid is only half blood? They could turn Hagrid down for this reason i hope not but it was a thought

[Shoujo Kitsune]

I think that Hagrid and Mme.Maxime have a good chance if they are able to convince them that they are better off with the good side, as they have already tried the other and have seen the results of failure...and If Hagrid runs into his Mum...that might be an interesting twist...

[Barbara Kennedy]

I would imagine that Hagrid and Madame Maxime may be somewhat nervous about their reception at the first meeting with the giants, unless Madame Maxime has a contact to smooth the way, like a relative of hers?

[Shoujo Kitsune]

I thought of that, but she was really in denial abou tbeing a giant, so maybe they are not wanting her back as she has taken the ways of the very people who cast them out..not saying that they are as innocent as flowers, but they do have a pretty bad wrap and all, and she is apart of the people who riddicule them.

[Sebastian06]

Voldemort will get to the Dementors first, there's no doubt about that...but I'm not sure about the giants. I think OotP will be mainly about the two sides gathering their armies, everyone preparing for war, etc. I honestly don't think we'll see Voldemort again until the 7th book, it would make perfect sense: introduce Voldemort in the 1st book, Voldemort is reborn in the 4th, and then defeated in the 7th.

[Barbara Kennedy]

Right now, I can't think much farther than book 5.....

[Girl]

The Dementors are for sure going to join Voldermort. He can give them more happy poeple than they will ever have. Dumbledore can't do anything like that.
The giants are anyones guess. I hope that Hagrid and Madam Maxime will get there first. They might tell them that they will be better of siding with Dumbledore in the long run. Voldermort can only give them people to kill after that who knows what he'll do with them.
With Dumbledore the giants and wizards can make peace and the giants can come and live with them and not in hidding as outlaws.

[Shoujo Kitsune]

Well, I can't think much past book five either, but I am affraid that this might be in it..though I could be wrong. I hope that Voldemort is unable to control th Dementors, and they are defeated (somehow) by Dumbledore...there has to be a way. there just has to.

[Barbara Kennedy]

Madame Maxime and Hagrid will certainly have their work cut out for them. Still, they seem to be the logical people to send as envoys. Who else would have as good a chance to make the giants listen to reason?

[Shoujo Kitsune]

True. But Hagrid would need to bump reason up a notch...he is more than likely to be the one to do the convincing, as Mme. Maxime doesn't seem to embrace her enharitence. But still, I think that she might run into a relative or two..and I think they will be gone durring the summer and not really durring the school year, as to actually reach them first...

[harp230]

Hagrid role could be the friendly face,a people person. While Mme Would do most of the convincing since I am sure she is a much better speaker than Hagrid. we all know how he gets when he is nervous.

[Shoujo Kitsune]

That's true, but do the gianst lik esomeone who has disowned who they truely are?

[Barbara Kennedy]

Would they even know?

[harp230]

Not saying it would be an easy sell. Maybe she is a good liar? She could deny the whole thing? Or maybe they would happen to not find that out? I dont see the giants being too forgiving though. Maybe the giants will be convinced to follow Hagrid, but find out about how Mme. Maxime is and go to Voldemort.

[Shoujo Kitsune]

I think that they would know, being as she is so huge and they would have to figure something out, and being that she is a Head Master and all, they would put two and two together...I don't think that they are too dim, that it what sets them apart from the trolls...that an they don't have warts and green skin, well, as far as we know...

[harp230]

But how would they know? At least at first? Unless Voldemort gets to them first I don't see them finding out any other way?

[Shoujo Kitsune]

Well, with the Rits Skeeter's in the world reporting on the head wizards..they might just get wind of it. it has been quite a few years since they left and I am quite sure that she wasn't made head master a year ago...

[harp230]

Would the giants care what is going on in the wizarding world? As outcasts from the wizards would they follow the newspapers let alone find one? Looks at the wizards. Not too many believe in reading muggle papers and you would think that would be quite useful to a wizard.

[Shoujo Kitsune]

Thats true, but at the same time...if they are plannignto take over anytime soon, they may have gotten a paper or sent a scout..

Hey I'm a fifth year! Yeah for me!

[Barbara Kennedy]

The trouble is, we don't yet have any way to sift truth from rumor from downright lie about the giants. Are they really planning some attack on the wizard world, are they hiding in fear of their lives, are they realy wicked and mean barbarians? We won't know until the fifth book, alas.

[Shoujo Kitsune]

Yes, that is unfortunate. But Dumbledore seems to think that they migh be trust worthy enough to ask them to join their side, so I don't thinlk that they are all that bad.

[Barbara Kennedy]

I wonder if Dumbledore ever met Hagrid's mother?
He possibly knew Hagrid's father, or at least met him once.

[Mayerlin]

Fridwulfa stayed with her family during Hagrid three first years of life then she left. Hagrid says that she left because it's the giants' nature not to care for people...

I personally don't believe it. I don't know what made her leave but why would she have stayed three years in the first place if she didn't care for her husband and son??

She probably had to leave for Hagrid to live a peaceful life being less prejudiced against.

Anyway, that's not my point...If Dumbledore knew Fridwulfa then it means that either he met her before Hagrid's birth or sometime after...

It seems to me that DD has always acted as a godfather to Hagrid, he took care of him after his father died in a way few people would have done.

So...

Was Dumbledore a very good friend of Hagrid's father? Is he indeed Hagrid's godfather? Did he even make it possible for the couple to meet and fall in love leading to Hagrid's birth?

I don't find it impossible and I would like it .:)

[Shoujo Kitsune]

Those are very good questions Mayerlin...And I am sure that the answers lead to us finding out whether or not they will comply with Dumbledore in the next few books...

[Barbara Kennedy]

Hey Shoujo, scary sig! Looks like the Dark Mark.

Mayerlin, great post. I wondered about a lot of that too.

A thought just struck me though, Hagrid's father was a small man, as I recall. Which made it even stranger that he married Fridwulfa, but that isn't my point either.
Could Hagrid's father have been any relation to Flitwick?

[Shoujo Kitsune]

hehe...flitwick...hehe...I knwo you were being serious and please don't take offense, just the though tof Hagrid being related to Flitshick..hehe...


Though I wouldn't be surprised if Hagrid's dad was a part of the OotP..thus giving Hargrid and DD a great connection, and thus the giants a better name through association...

and Thanks Buttercup...I like the scare factor...hehe

[Mayerlin]

Mr Hagrid and Fridwulfa's union is as strange as a Balrog mating with a hobbit :p

We don't know much about Filius Flitwick, at least we know he is not Mr Hagrid's brother since they don't share the same name.

If they are blood-related then they could be cousins.

Now if giants exist, maybe Flitwick and Mr Hagrid are dwarves

[Barbara Kennedy]

I don't see why not, JKR just may not have introduced them yet.
Although, my memory may be wrong, but weren't dwarves mentioned in the Leaky Cauldron in book 1?