View Full Version : Is Harry in danger at the Weasleys?
April 25th, 2003, 5:10 pm
I did do a search for similar threads and didn't find one, but if I am mistaken, mods know the routine.
Peter Pettigrew spent many years in the Weasley household while in his Scabbers rat transformation. He would know any and all weaknesses of the house and members of the family. Couldn't he use this as an advantage for Voldemort to attack/kill/kidnap Harry or a family member? Are they at risk for having had a henchman of Voldie's with them for so long?
*stole this theory off The Leaky Cauldron*
April 25th, 2003, 5:16 pm
Ive never heard of a thread like this personally, and I dont think there is one; but im usually wrong...
I think that he is at much more of a risk at the Weasleys; and I get the impression that DD isnt as happy at the prospect of Harry going to the Weasleys as he used to be before Voldermort had risen again.
I think Wormtail would know quite a bit about them and their personalities, but I still dont think he knows everything - after all, he was a ra for 10 years (or so;and probably after a year or so he got used to it, and just started acting like a normal rat. But, he will know their weaknesses.
Would he tell Voldermort though? Im sure he would say if he was asked, but he does have a bond with Harry, so he will be much more reluctant to.
April 25th, 2003, 5:20 pm
He could very well be in danger at the Weasleys. I would imagine if he were to go there this summer Mrs. Weasley would never let him out of her sight. I could totally see her just always being around and annoying Ron tremendously. Since he is usually at the Weasleys in the beginning of the book, I don't think anything terrible will happen to him while there.
April 25th, 2003, 5:29 pm
Well, there is a thread on Harry staying at the Weasleys (if you are curious, Why does Harry always have to go his Aunt and Uncle's home first (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3513) ) but I think these are different.
Peter does know a lot about the Weasleys, this is true. But all they really need to do is catch them and put a curse on them.
It doesn't have to be in their home. Well, for the kids maybe. But not Arthur.
April 25th, 2003, 7:03 pm
Maybe Dumbledore has Harry go to the Weasley's at the end of the summer so he can arrange extra protection at their house. Perhaps the Weasley's aren't even away of this at first, but perhaps at the end of GOF when Mrs. Weasley is told by Dumbledore that she might have him stay later in the Summer he discusses the security portion.
April 25th, 2003, 7:12 pm
i hadn't thought of that one- but i imagine things like the layout of the burrow would look alot different to a rat than to a man.
also would scabbers actually know how to get there because he was always carted around in a holder, i dont know- i imagine things would look different.
though this is an interesting question- he would be in more danger i think, but i'm not sure voldermort would use this angle, it may be that the weasley will now need a secret keeper too!!!
April 25th, 2003, 8:29 pm
We ought to keep an eye on Wormtail. He is potentially a great ally of Voldemort, having slept in Harry's best friend's bed for years. PLus, he knows the secrets of Hogwarts from his Marauding days.
April 25th, 2003, 8:34 pm
oh yeah- he'll know all the ways into hogwartd which even the teachers dont kow- i hadn't thought of that (like the opening at the one eyed witch)
Silk E Smooth
April 25th, 2003, 10:35 pm
Well that's my new theory for how Voldermont will get in. Genius. Can't believe I didn't think of it myself.
April 25th, 2003, 10:40 pm
Dumbledore is now aware of the map. How much he knows I am not just sure. But I doubt that Sirius will let it remain much of a secret any longer.
April 25th, 2003, 10:41 pm
Ahh yes, but I believe Dumbledore has the Marauders map. How better to monitor all those secret ways in?
April 25th, 2003, 10:50 pm
as Dumbledore said, wizards and witches don't forget debts... which means that there's gonna be SOMETHING with Wormtail in the future like he saves Harry one time or something.
Harry can really protect himself (luck- wish is chance and opportunity) but I'm scared for the Weasley's- I'm afraid that THEY'RE the ones who are in danger while with Harry! I hope I'm wrong though...
April 26th, 2003, 12:15 am
i never thought about that before.. but now that i think about it.. maybe.
April 26th, 2003, 12:19 am
I'm sure that Dumbledore will keep all these facts in mind when the arrangements are made for Harry to visit [or live with?] the Weasleys.
April 27th, 2003, 3:47 am
I think Wormtail has already tried protecting Harry by telling Voldy that they could use another wizard...cuz he knew that Voldy planned on killing Harry. Wormtail probably feels that he doesn't owe Harry anything anymore. He will tell Voldy anything he knows about Harry and the Weaslys and even Hermione cuz he wants to be the smart, loyal servant Barty Crouch Jr. was... Wormtail has probably changed a lot since he acquired that new hand. He's probll got a lot more confidence...and he's startign to become power hungry.... Whatever he knows...Voldy will know..and Voldy uses all of his information to make up plans....
April 27th, 2003, 1:31 pm
When did Dumbledore get the map? I don't remember that. The last I remember about it is Lupin giving it back to Harry.
Dumbledore is aware of the risk Wormtail is. If Harry was in too much danger at the Weasleys he could easily be prevented from returning there for the summer.
April 27th, 2003, 6:33 pm
Well Dumbledore was made aware of the map at the end of GOF. Assumption would be that he collected it when going through Moody/Crouch Jr's things.....
April 27th, 2003, 6:38 pm
it was Crouch Jr who has the map. he asked Harry if he could borrow it the night when Harry was stuck on the stairs and Mad Eye saw the map. i'm not sure on what page it was on.
But then near the end when they found that Crouch Jr was Mad Eye, Dumbledore saw the map. So i guess he has it now.
I just hope they monitor all those secret ways in and Sirius hould help them by telling them of anything else he knows. After all Wormtail knows about them too, maybe even more. He was after all a rat for the past 12+ years. He could have found new ways in and around the place.
As to Harry being in danger at the Weasley it is most likely that he will be kept under close watch by the weasley if he came over.
That could be why Dumbledore does not want him to spend the whole summer there but return to Privet Drive. There could be some magic there which is ment to procet Harry form voldermort or Death Eaters.
April 27th, 2003, 10:49 pm
I think he might be. Now that I think about it it may be true. After all he may know some things about Harry because Hary visits the Weasley's when he can.
May 4th, 2003, 9:42 pm
The thing is, untill that night in Harrys 3rd year Peter didnt know what Voldermort wanted or if he would be accepted by Voldermort, remember Peter went to Voldermort because he had power and could protect him, he wasnt going to do something stupid if he wasnt 100% sure he would be protected
May 4th, 2003, 10:29 pm
from what i gather there's old magic working at the dursleys- maybe a secret keeper, but i'm starting to think that maybe it's something else- something that would protect him for a long period of time, even if he has had a very small amount of contact with it- something that would go on protecting him even if he wasn't staying with the dursleys anymore- just so long as he has had contact with the old magic.
I think molly weasley knows what it is, thats why she agrees with dumbledore that harry should go back to the dursleys, for a little while at least.
With contact with this magic- he will be safe up until he returns to hogwarts, when everyone knows he is safe while DD is around
May 6th, 2003, 5:04 am
Interesting question. Harry, as miserable as he is at the Dursleys, is kept there for some reason of safety. Going elsewhere could very well be risky, I agree with that. Going to the Weasleys could put them all in danger. And certainly Peter is willing to do whatever it takes to help Voldemort, so it's always possible that he might use inside information about the Weasleys (and about Harry himself since he was around him at Hogwarts) to get to Harry.
May 6th, 2003, 5:24 am
Of course , remembering that when a wizard is in animagus form his thinking is more simplified, perhaps this has affected Wormtail's clear memory of the Burrow. Or his animal's eye view of it may mean he overlooks something important he might have observbed when in human form. So, whereas in general, I think that both Harry and the Weasleys are in danger for Scabbers having lived with them so long, I also think that this seeming weak point may yet prove to be either less of a threat than we might imagine or, perhaps even an advantage. Because as long as they RECOGNIZE the danger, something can be done about it.
May 6th, 2003, 5:36 am
I think Harry is safe while in the custody of the Dursleys. If not, he could have been attacked while away at school, or somewhere else. I'm sure Voldemort's followers would have taken a shot at Harry if they could have, but something protects him - not just in the house, but while the Dursley's are taking care of him.
I still wonder what exactly was in the letter originally left to the Dursleys. Could these have been instructions on raising Harry in an attempt to make sure he didn't become another Voldemort? I doubt they could have told the Dursleys to be as mean as they are, but I have a feeling that they might be playing along in some way - or at least have taken him in realizing who he thwarted.
May 7th, 2003, 2:17 pm
I do not believe that Harry is going to be unprotected when (or if) he visits the Weasley's. Because Harry is probably protected by the Fidelius Charm (Secret-Keeper, which I believe is Mrs. Figg) while he's at the Dursley's. I seriously doubt that Dumbles will put him unprotected at the Weasleys. Dumbledore is very protective of Harry we see that in PS/SS when Ron and Hermione are at the Owerly to send Dumbly~Dorr an owl and Dumbles show up and asks him "He's gone after them, hasn't he?" and he arrives at the Stone Chamber in time to save Harry. And when Harry wakes up the first person he sees is Dumbledore.
Okay, we see in all four books that Dumbledore would go to great lengths to protect 'The-Boy-Who-Lived' I highly doubt he would leave Harry unprotected at either the Weasley's or the Dursley's.
May 11th, 2003, 2:29 am
The reason Dumbledore wanted Harry to wait and not go directly to the Weasley's home for the summer was to give them time to set up protective spells at the Burrow.
May 11th, 2003, 2:39 am
Do you think it's a coincidence Dumbledore let the Weaselys see Sirius before he left on his mission to gather the old crowd?
I wouldn't be surprised if Sirius finds a home (in his Animagus form, primarily) at the Burrow. Sirius would be a great protection for Harry, as well as any other protections Dumbledore could conjure up. And it would give Sirius relative safety.
May 11th, 2003, 6:25 am
Yes, no one would think twice about a dog living at a country home like the Burrow.
May 11th, 2003, 10:03 am
Harry is in danger everywhere. Unless there's really powerful magic protecting him from even common muggle disasters Harry could be killed at home.
He may be in more danger at the Weasleys. The DE's in the MoM most likely have easy access to the Burrow. If they discovered Harry was staying there they could plan an attack.
May 11th, 2003, 7:18 pm
Originally posted by Barbara Kennedy (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=314037#post314037))
The reason Dumbledore wanted Harry to wait and not go directly to the Weasley's home for the summer was to give them time to set up protective spells at the Burrow.
Remember the end of GoF?
pages 717-718, American version
The only time they touched upon the subject [of what was coming] was when Ron told Harry about a meeting Mrs. Weasley had had with Dumbledore before going home.
"She went to ask him if you could come straight to us this summer," he said. "But he wants you to go back to the Dursleys, at least at first."
"Why?" said Harry.
"She said Dumbledore's got his reasons. " said Ron, shaking his head darkly. "I suppose we've got to trust him, haven't we?"
Dumbledore did not say Harry couldn't go to the Weasleys, but that he must wait.
Wait for what?
For arraingements to be made for his safety at the Weasleys, of course.
Besides, you don't think Molly would have given up without a fight, do you, even against Dumbledore?:D
May 12th, 2003, 12:22 am
Mrs. Weasley is Harry's mother~figure so I don't think she'll let :bow: Dumbles :bow: let Harry stay at the Dursley's all summer. PS/SS is the only book (so far) that Harry has stayed all summer with the Dursley's.
On the last page of GoF when the Hogwarts students are meeting their parents at the barrier at Kings Cross Mrs. Wealey says to Harry:
Page 734, US Paperback
Uncle Vernon was waiting beyond the barrier. Mrs. Weasley was close by him. She hugged Harry very tightly when she saw him and whispered in his ear, "I think :bow: Dumbledore :bow: will let you come to us later in the summer. Keep in touch, Harry."...
So I agree with Barbara that :bow: Dumbledore :bow: is going to set up charms to help protect Harry while he is at the Burrow
Happy Mothers Day!!
May 12th, 2003, 2:20 am
What If Dumbledoor is waiting to see what the Death eaters will do? Harry is protected at the durslys by some unknown force, what if Dumbledoor doesnt increase protection he just wants to see what Voldie plans to do. Will he lie low or will he strike. If he strikes will he strike Muggles, Muggle borns, Muggle sympathisers, or all of them. I think DD want to keep an eye out for Voldermont and keeping Harry at the Durslys will allow DD to not have to worry about Harry. mabe thats why Harry will come later in the summer.
May 13th, 2003, 12:06 am
I can't see Dumbledore just waiting to see what Voldemort will do. He knows that whatever Voldemort does it can mean death for muggles or other innocent people. He won't wait for that.
May 13th, 2003, 12:34 am
I'm not sure Harry would be more at risk at the Burrow than anywhere else. He's getting to be pretty strong himself, and at the Weasley's he'd be surrounded by people who'd want to keep him safe, with the possible exception of Percy.
I agree with the idea that Harry had to go back to the Dursley's while security measures were being put into place at the Weasley's. I also like the idea of Sirius living at the Burrow - I never thought of that. It would certainly make it safer for Harry if that were the case.
May 13th, 2003, 3:50 am
I agree. As long as Harry is not alone- he is only in a minimum amount of danger- but when he is (and I think he will be) watch out!
May 13th, 2003, 5:11 am
I think that the Weasley's would do anything they could to protect Harry and their family. I think that Dumbledore sent Harry back to the Dursley's mainly because he didnt' want to endanger the Weasley's perhaps and plus Harry is anonymous there, no wizard is gonna bug him around muggles.
May 13th, 2003, 5:20 am
Plus, Harry is safe at the Dursleys. Maybe he also needs to go back there to find out something about his past or his family?
May 13th, 2003, 5:26 am
This is completely out of the point... a little sidetracking here, but I feel sorry for Wormtail. Goodness knows how bored he must have been during his 12 years as Scabbers the rat with the Weasleys. I mean, even ron mentioned that Scabbers slept all day, the he wouldn't know the difference if he had died. Gee, I wouldn't have been able to stand the boredom!:D
May 13th, 2003, 9:28 pm
Aw man you guys are totally making me think here!
It has completely slipped my mind that Wormtail knows how to get into Hogwarts without Apparating or using Floo Powder (which aren't allowed)!
I would assume that Dumbledore, only to make Harry's life easier and freer, would set up some wards around the Weasley's home. I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't already due to the fact that now he knows Wormtail was Ron's rat afterall.
I always say that one of the Weasley's will die and this definitely confirms it. :'(
May 13th, 2003, 9:35 pm
Nah, this doesn't "definitely confirm" anything. I still think it may be someone else.
May 13th, 2003, 11:24 pm
We know that Voldie and his followers do not care at all about killing Muggles or Wizards/Witches. So why would Harry be safe at the Weasleys with out any protective charms, and only the Weasleys to save him? Voldie wouldn't care at all about walking into the Weasleys house in the middle of the night, killing every single Weasley that gets in his way, and the <boom> no more boy~who~lived! And its even more likely since Wormtail knows where the Weasleys live. So when Harry goes to the Weasleys for the summer Harry would be abosulutly unprotected and as good as <gulp> dead:'(! That is why I think that there are going to have to be protective charms
May 13th, 2003, 11:36 pm
Sorry about the double posting but one more thing...:sorry:
About Sirius in his dawg form and going to live at the Weasleys.
Mrs. Weasley screamed when Sirius came back to his Human form at the end of book four, and she still thinks that he killed all twelve of those Muggles and Wormtail. Remember, Harry, Ron, Hermione, and :bow: Dumbledore :bow: kept it to themselves that Sirius was innocent and that Wormtail was the one who betrayed Lilly and James Potter then night they died.
May 13th, 2003, 11:48 pm
I don't think Dumbledore would have let Mrs. Weasely see Sirius without a reason. And I think if Dumbledore told her that Sirius was innocent, and his presence was needed for Harry's safety, she'd oblige, even if reluctantly.
I just can't see Dumbledore showing Sirius with Mrs. Weasely in the room without a reason. Otherwise, he would've told her to leave him and Harry and Ron alone, or something along those lines.
May 14th, 2003, 3:30 am
Personally I think Dumbledore knows exactly what he's doing, he wouldn't send Harry to the Dursley's unprotected even though I doubt they would lift a finger themselves to help him, I also doubt they would tell him anything about his family.
May 14th, 2003, 5:37 am
I would imagine that Mrs. Weasley knows the story about Sirius by now. if Dumbledore did not tell her during there meeting (and I am sure he did) Then she would have demanded an explanation form Harry and /or Ron. There is definately a reason why she knows. Dumbledore obviously trusts Mr an dMrs Weasley to let her find out without an immediate explanation of the situation. She also must highly trust Dumbledore if all she did was scream. I am assuming that Dumbledore did not explain that night the whole story to her.
May 14th, 2003, 11:56 am
Dumbledore would have given Mrs. Weasley the information. He did not reveal Sirius to her lightly. He wanted her to know that Sirius was working on their side. It could very well become important later that she knows the truth about Sirius.
Harry is less safe at the Burrow than at the Dursleys, but another question is are the Weasleys safe when with Harry? Someone could get caught in the crossfire if Harry is subject to an attack at the Burrow. If Harry goes to visit the Weasleys again, there will have to be additional security measures taken to keep everyone safe.
May 14th, 2003, 5:13 pm
Exactly, Moonstone, you have a wonderful grasp of the situation.
May 16th, 2003, 11:03 pm
Yes, Harry is in deep dangerous dudu if he were to go to the Weasley's without perhaps a Fidilus Charm! Hello people! Who was Percey's wonderful rat he kept for 12 years? That would be like terrorists having ample opportunity to blow something up or in hp case - kill. Harry's not the only one that's in trouble at the Burrow - the family living there is. Harry being there gives a 60% chance of an attack, but the fact Wormtail was there for 12 gives another huge chance, let's say 40% of them being in great peril to start with.
The ancient magic has to do something with being in the care of someone you are blood-related to (i.e. the Dursley's, all he has left) would make it super important to be in that protection now.
July 18th, 2003, 11:41 pm
great theories people! i agree- harry is in danger at the weasleys. wormtail would have knowledge of everything about them, and that little protection charm between harry and aunt petunia can't help him if he's at the weasleys!
July 19th, 2003, 1:18 pm
I dont see Harry going to The Borrow. He knows hes safe at Pivet and he will either be there or with a hand full of Aurors! So mabye if like all the Aurors Go to the Borrow Harry will go but that house anint to big. No I think Harry will be going to Pivet or mabye to ........... the place where he was in book 5 thats all I'll say..
July 19th, 2003, 3:35 pm
Hey i'm kind'a new on this forum and i just want to ask :
What does 'DD' mean when you write that like 'DE' or 'DADA' and so on... sorry if you think i'm stupid ....
June 24th, 2004, 5:33 am
I never thought of this before, but good point. I think that is one of the reason's they didn't go to the Burrow in book 5...Lupin said something like it was to danergous or something...maybe because of Scabbers and maybe because of other things...woah i called him scabbers...anyway...I think that Peter will know a lot about the Weasley's and Harry for that matter because of all the time he spent as Scabbers...not only does he know a lot about the Burrow, but he knows a lot about Hogwarts and being one of the Marauders different passageways into the castle...could be dangerous.
June 24th, 2004, 8:44 am
Actually, Harry only stays at the Weasley's two nights in GoF, and not at all in OoTP (they're at 12 Grimmauld place instead).
He may very well be in danger at the Weasley's if he stays there for any length of time. Peter did spend a great many years (13 to be exact) with them and he would know all weaknesses of the house, schedules, where Harry would sleep -- and has overheard a great many private conversations between Ron and Harry about LV and the things that DD has shared with him.
DD -- Dumbledore
DE -- Deatheater
DADA -- Defense Against the Dark Arts
June 24th, 2004, 8:51 am
The first chapter of The Order of the Phoenix is Dudley Demented. This implies that he's been at the Dursley's since summer vacation started, and also explains furthermore the resentment he feels once he REACHES Grimmauld Place...
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