One more death?

[Kes]

We know that Lily and James are already dead. That is a fact (for those of you who suport the James-is-in-Lupin's-body-as they-switched-before-James-went-into-hiding-as-an-extra-precaution theory, I have to disagree, for those suporters of Lily-is-an-animangi-and-is-hiding-as-crockshanks theory, I would like to bring up the fact that crockshanks is male)

We don't know Quirall(sp?) is dead, all we know is he was "left to die"

All the people killed in book four (as far as we KNOW) were: Bertha Jorkins, Frank Brice, Bartamus Crouch Sr. and Cedric Diggory.

This is where my main point comes into play, In the begining of book four (Harry Potter and the Goblit of Fire) Voldemort states that there is only one more death needed until the path to Harry is clear. Bertha was already dead, Voldemort also stated that no one in the wizarding world need know about it. After saying that Voldemort killed two people, and Crouch Jr. killed one. They are: Frank Brice, Bartamus Crouch Sr. and Cedric Diggory. We can asume that he didn't mean Frank or Cedric, because those deaths were "accidents", or at least they most likely weren't in the original plan. We can also asume that it isn't Barty Crouch Sr. because if he all of a sudden disapeared people would notice, after all, he does have a rather high place in the minestry and had an important role in the Tri-wizard tunament.

So who was it? I believe it was Arbella Figg, because with her house by Harry's and the fact that we now know she is a witch, it is easy to assume she is a gardian of Harry's. So if she was alive (whether she was at Hogwarts or not) could she have spoiled Voldemort's plans? We don't know, but she seems important enough to need to get out of the way.

If anyone has good suport or a counter argument for my theory please don't hesitate to reply.

[dorcasderr]

I think it is an interesting possibility, since Arabella Figg has (presumably) been undercover for all of these years, she has removed herself from being high profile. Another death important to Voldemort would, of course, be Dumbledore, but his death would be noticed immediately and by everyone.

[pmb1290]

A couple other people that would not be missed: Sirius Black, who has evaded everyone for a couple years... Unless his dead body was found... then it would be a big deal. I also dont know how much Lupin would be missed. It seems to me that he really doesnt have a high profile... When he was on the hogwarts express, he did not seem like he had a high profile. Dumbledore is the easiest option... but I dont think that Voldemort will go for him right away. i like the idea of Mrs Figg... Hmmm... i've got it! It must be Stan Shunpike. Or not.

Why would it not be the real Moody. He was as good as dead in the fourth book. I realize that he didn't die... but he was taken care of very cleanly... nobody would ever have known... The real moody was helpless, and for all purposes for the good guys, he was dead. This led the way to getting Harry... i am sure that this is it.

Peter

[MagpieOnaga]

Yes, interesting theory, BUT.....Voldemort was planning to attack Harry right after the third task, and wouldn't the person have been killed BEFORE Harry's fifth year, then? I suppose this doesn't necessarily disprove your theory, but still, I have another point:

I really think that the "death" Voldemort was referring to WAS in fact Barty Crouch Sr.
We can also asume that it isn't Barty Crouch Sr. because if he all of a sudden disapeared people would notice, after all, he does have a rather high place in the minestry and had an important role in the Tri-wizard tunament.
But you forget that he DID "suddenly dissappear." He was still alive and under the imperius curse, but we know he wasn't showing up at the ministry, or at the Triwizard tournaments. I think Voldemort had planned Barty Crouch Sr.'s death all along.

[Mary Jane]

That's a very interesting thought, Kes. It does strike me as odd. The only conclusion I can come up with is Barty Sr. Perhaps they meant to kill him but then put him under the Imperious curse instead?

[Barbara Kennedy]

The only other death I know Voldemort is planning is Snape, but somehow he doesn't seem to fit your description. Could it be he needs to kill one of the Dursleys to destroy the magical protection Harry has there? Although killing Mrs. Figg would possibly do the same thing.

[rotsiepots]

The "One more death" line only appears in the American edition of the GoF. In all other editions, Voldemort says, "One more obstacle removed".

Presumably they're talking about kidnapping Moody.

Let's just put the difference down to "translation" problems. ;)

[Barbara Kennedy]

I still don't understand why they think we Americans need a different version. Personally I'd love a chance to read the UK version.

[Alastor D]

Reading what is said in other threads, I understand it's possible to by them in the US. If not in shops perhaps from Amazon. But there would be some money involved.

I think this is really weird. Did they believe American kids can't understand 'obstacle' ??????

[rotsiepots]

A precise breakdown of the differences can be found at The Lexicon (http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/differences-gf.html).

The differences pertaining to the scene in question are:

(Peter says) "...if I curse" (non-American) "...if I murder" (American)
(Voldemort says) "...one more obstacle removed" (non-American) "...one more death" (American)
(Voldemort says) "One more curse..." (non-American) "One more murder..." (American)

I think they were trying to make it sound more dramatic for the American audience. :shrug:

[Silk E Smooth]

The Arabella theory is interesting. But when I think about their being an obstacle, I think about it as Dumbledore getting in the way or something like that. I haven't read GoF in a while so I really don't remember that actual dialogue. Could the obstacle be Harry himself or was the obstacle the thing getting in the way of killing Harry?

[Alastor D]

"...come Wormtail, one more obstacle removed and our path to Harry Potter is clear. ....By that time my faithful servant will have rejoined us -"
The obstacle was obviously not Barty sr guarding his son, because he had to be dealt with before junior could rejoin. Was it Dumbledore's age line then? Getting Harry into the tournament was a key point in the plan, wasn't it?

[Girl]

Good point Alastor D. The obstacle could have been getting Harry into the tourament or it could also have been how Crounch Jr would get inside Hogswort. They had to kidnapp Moody so that Crunch Jr could inperson him. This could have been the obstcale/murder Voldermort was talking about. Maybe they planned to kill Moody at first.

[rotsiepots]

I believe the "obstacle" Voldemort was referring to was the real Mad-Eye Moody. Once he's out of the way, the rest of the plan can be set in motion, hence the "obstacle" status.

:)

[Alastor D]

Yes, rotsiepots, his 'constant vigilance' being well known he certainly fulfilled the requirements for being considered an obstacle.

But murder him? I don't think so. He was needed alive for the Polyjuce Potion.

[Goldie]

I really think it's Dumbledore he's referring to as the one more death/obstacle.

It is stated many times that Dumbledore is the only wizard Voldemort ever feared. Getting rid of him would remove the biggest obstacle in his way to power.

[GrangerGal]

If he meant Moody than he wouldnt have said murder b/c they needed to keep the real Mad Eye alive for the Polyjuice potion. Although I agree with the fact that Mad Eye was as good as dead, he still was alive and I think that Voldemort wouldn't have used the word "murder" unless he meant to kill him. The only way he meant moody was if he meant after the final task he killed Moody. But that wouldn't make sense b/c he would have already killed Harry. Maybe it was Crouch Sr. I think it is definitely possible that Voldemort meant to kill Sr but didn't want it to be obvious. So he was going to keep Sr around for as long as needed and then killhim so he could not talk. Like Voldemort said even memory charms can be broken. He wouldnt want Crouch Sr talking in the end, and therefore, he would have killed him. Also he would have to remove Sr at the same time that Jr would be returning. That would mean that they would remove one obstacle. Jr already returned to Voldemort in his heart just not physically. When Voldemort went to the house Jr would return then they would use Sr for awhile then kill him. That would mean he faithful servant was already returned. I think that could work otherwise I do not know who they meant. :banghead:

[Girl]

In the UK version Voldermort said "obstacle" and not "murder". It was only in the American version where "murder" was used. Therfore we can guess that the target was Moody and how to get rid of him and how to get Crouch Jr into Hogswort to make sure that Harry got into the tournament and won. Crounch Jr was needed to be inside Hogswort for the plan to work.

[Kes]

:banghead:GIR! why do they think us US people are that STUPID! that totaly ruens my theory!! Girness! I do have a question though, does JKR look over the "Translation" from English to "American"? Because if she does then maybe my theory isn't so helpless after all, (plus to all those who said sirus it couldn't be because he was still alive at the end of book 4)

[Cat]

Originally posted by Kes (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=324086#post324086))
:banghead:GIR! why do they think us US people are that STUPID! that totaly ruens my theory!! Girness! I do have a question though, does JKR look over the "Translation" from English to "American"? Because if she does then maybe my theory isn't so helpless after all, (plus to all those who said sirus it couldn't be because he was still alive at the end of book 4)


She says she does (oversee the translations, I mean). But I don't believe her. Or rather, I believe she went over many things in the first book, and went over several less things in the following books. She trusts the translators to do their job. If she checked over everything, Scholastic should start paying her as a translator as well.

But something like this might not be a fault of the translator. There are mutitudes of typos in the Scholastic books, and a couple of really weird mix-ups.

Besides, if that was done on purpose, later editions of the Bloomsbury versions would have been released with it as well.

[miri]

I think it's more likely they were trying to spice it up for american kiddies who've been raised on a diet of horror movies, than imply that amerians don't know the word *obstacle*. I think that Americans might on average watch more horror movies and stuff than the English but if I'm wrong/ that's a stereotype that offends anyone, please don't kill me! I do know that when I was seven and living out there I saw one of the Freddy Cruger (sp?) films, and probably wouldn't have done if I hadn't gone to america to live for two years...

While it's possible that it was just an unnecessary change, it doesn't mean that Voldemort wasn't referring to the necessity to kill someone as an *obstacle*.

Who was it whose body was transfigured into a bone and buried in Hagrid's garden? I can't remember now...

My theory is the obstacle was replacing Fudge. Or getting him under Imperius. It's possible that when Voldemort said it, he hadn't decided how to do this. It's also possible he thought Fudge might follow him.

Another theory is maybe Rita Skeeter as a death? The Ministry hated her. Could you imagine her refusing to tell everyone how Voldemort returned? She had served her purpose by making Harry seem less credible. Kill her before she becomes annoying (to him).

Very well spotted!

[Kes]

Well that just ruens the books! i need to go to England so i can get the REAL versions, plus i don't think they need to put fudge under the impirimus curse, he is already too stupid (he is the charicter i hate the most)

But as for Rita, i think she may be a death eater, because she runed the credibilty of everyone who knows anything.

It was Crouch Sr. that was turned into a bone.

I feel like i am missing so much from the real versions (such as sirus's gringots volt number that I had to get from reading a bad guid book with awful puns)
+Thank you Cat for telling me

[miri]

With Amazon, the prices for the books are here. (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0747560005/ref=sr_aps_books_1_3/026-9341489-6506047)

Delivery charges are here. (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/502482/ref=w_h__brbx_c_1_5/026-9341489-6506047#us)

And a currency converter is here. (http://www.xe.com/ucc/)

I don't know how the prices compare, but it might be worth it, if you really feel that the books you read are being spoiled by translators! Don't libraries stock more than one version? Or just different editions? The only thing that strikes me as being necessary for americans is changing the spellings of some words, and most spell-check packages are capable of doing that!

Yeah, I can see Rita as a Death eater too! Besides, thinking about it, I'd assume that sending the wizarding world into a state of panic wouldn't exactly upset Voldie too much... He's come back to do that, after all!

[Girl]

I just re-read the frist and last few chapters. Anyway here is what I think.
"...come Wormtail, one more obstacle removed and our path to Harry Potter is clear. ....By that time my faithful servant will have rejoined us -"
At this time Voldermort's plan is to use the tournament to get Harry. He had planned to kill Harry at the gravyard so whatever the obstacle is it was in the GoF.
I think the obstacle is getting one of his servants into Hogworts and getting rid of Moody. This is because Frank hears Voldermort say
"One more curse...my faitful servant at Hogworts..."
The curse is for Moody so that one of his sevant will take his place using the Polyjuice potion. His faitful servant is Crouch Jr.

After the World Cup Crouch Jr rejoined Voldermort and Crouch Sr was put under the Imperius curse. Crouch Jr didn't know of Voldermort's plan until Voldermort came to his house after the World Cup. Voldermort found out that Crouch Jr had escaped from Askaban from Bertha.
Crouch Jr and Wormtail then went to Moody's house and put him under the Imperius curse. This was the obstacle Voldermort was talking about.

[Moonlight]

Originally posted by Kes (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=323164#post323164))

We don't know Quirall(sp?) is dead, all we know is he was "left to die"



But Quirrel was not killed by Voldermorts wand, If that's what you mean.
That may be why he didn't appear as an echo like all Voldermorts other victims.

[Barbara Kennedy]

No, you are right Moonlight, Quirrell died [or was dying], from the touch of Harry's skin. His mother's "Old Magic" was protecting him from Voldemort again.

[rotsiepots]

Actually, I believe Quirrell died when Voldemort left his body. The "Harry's skin is the touch of death" thing was only done in the films.

:)

[Barbara Kennedy]

You could very well be right, but wasn't it the touch of Harry's skin that made Voldemort leave Quirrell's body?

[Alastor D]

Unfortunately we don't know exactly when and why he left.

"He felt Quirrell's wrenched from his grasp, knew all was lost, and fell into blackness, ....."

At that moment Dumbledore was there already. The question did Voldemort leave because Quirrell was dying or to get away from Dumbledore, or for both reasons remains open.

[Kes]

Originally posted by Moonlight (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=325188#post325188))
But Quirrel was not killed by Voldermorts wand, If that's what you mean.
That may be why he didn't appear as an echo like all Voldermorts other victims.


I wasn't implying that Voldemort killed him, I'm just saying, we have no idea whether or not he is dead, for all we know he could be in st. mungo's right now

[zent]

I don't believe that Rowling would have them show Quirrel turning to ashes in the movie only to bring him back. It wouldn't make sense.

[Kes]

Well she didn't deside everything about the movies...who knows "left to die" is a bit to vague for me.

[Barbara Kennedy]

Oh, but she DID have a say about what went into the movie. If he is shown as dying, then he died, according to JKR's OK.

[Kes]

No, she had a say, but she didn't have say in ALL of it.

[Barbara Kennedy]

If it mattered to future stories, she certainly had a say.

[Kes]

Fine, but I still think Arbella's dead

[Barbara Kennedy]

Arabella???
I missed something here.

[Alastor D]

Me too. Arabella dead without Dumbledore knowing?

And Quirrell. Dumbledore said Voldemort left him to die. And Dumbledore was there. If there had been any life left in Quirrell he would have brought him too to the hospital wing. And then lied to Harry. (????)

[harp230]

If Arabella were to be dead, what use would it be to find out about her character? She has had practically zero character development. I just see explaining her character posthomously would be a bit cheezy in tone. That is just my opinion... Plus i just want to see more character development for her.

[Alastor D]

Don't worry harp. At least not yet. She was most obviously still alive at the end of GoF.

[franke]

Quirrel is dead. Voldemort said that at his rebirthing in book four. Remember when he was telling the death eaters his story.

Also, if JKR meant "one more obstacle" then she was definitely referring to Moody

[Jessica]

SOURCE: http://www.swns.com/vaults/rowling.htm

Q: Do you assist with the vernacular, idiomatic expression and other vocabulary changes between the UK and the US versions of the HP series ? (Jenny Lando)

A: Do I assist ? I do it all! A lot has been made of this but I have to say too much has been made of it. The word changes were miniscule. I don't think it would be as much as one per cent. And they were literally words that meant something utterly different - like 'jumper', which means 'pinafore dress' in America. I didn't want people to think Harry was walking around in a pinafore dress. They have enough problems without going into drag as well.

I THINK THIS THEORY IS BACK IN BUSINESS!

[Barbara Kennedy]

I'm sorry, I'm getting totally confused now.......

Did someone cast a Confundus Spell on this thread?

[Jessica]

Originally posted by Kes (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=323164#post323164))
We know that Lily and James are already dead. That is a fact (for those of you who suport the James-is-in-Lupin's-body-as they-switched-before-James-went-into-hiding-as-an-extra-precaution theory, I have to disagree, for those suporters of Lily-is-an-animangi-and-is-hiding-as-crockshanks theory, I would like to bring up the fact that crockshanks is male)

We don't know Quirall(sp?) is dead, all we know is he was "left to die"

All the people killed in book four (as far as we KNOW) were: Bertha Jorkins, Frank Brice, Bartamus Crouch Sr. and Cedric Diggory.

This is where my main point comes into play, In the begining of book four (Harry Potter and the Goblit of Fire) Voldemort states that there is only one more death needed until the path to Harry is clear. Bertha was already dead, Voldemort also stated that no one in the wizarding world need know about it. After saying that Voldemort killed two people, and Crouch Jr. killed one. They are: Frank Brice, Bartamus Crouch Sr. and Cedric Diggory. We can asume that he didn't mean Frank or Cedric, because those deaths were "accidents", or at least they most likely weren't in the original plan. We can also asume that it isn't Barty Crouch Sr. because if he all of a sudden disapeared people would notice, after all, he does have a rather high place in the minestry and had an important role in the Tri-wizard tunament.

So who was it? I believe it was Arbella Figg, because with her house by Harry's and the fact that we now know she is a witch, it is easy to assume she is a gardian of Harry's. So if she was alive (whether she was at Hogwarts or not) could she have spoiled Voldemort's plans? We don't know, but she seems important enough to need to get out of the way.

If anyone has good suport or a counter argument for my theory please don't hesitate to reply.



QUICK RECAP: This was the original post and then we got off topic becuase the quote this theory is based on was from the American edition. The British edition said "obstacle" not "murder".

But if JKR does the Brit to American translation herself than she wrote the word murder and this is a valid clue.

[Barbara Kennedy]

Thanks, that cleared it up, I think.

[Lestrange]

Goblet of Fire was the book with basically, the biggest error in it, the most miniscule plotholes, and the one that J.K. had the most trouble with(I heard that in an interview somewhere).

Anyway, my point is: This could easily be a mistake. But then if it was a mistake, she most likely would have gone over it and corrected it after she fixed the error in Goblet of Fire. So, basically, it all boils down to: Did J.K. look through both of the books, or the U.K. one only, and just have the one big error be fixed in the other versions? I suppose its in an interview somewhere....

Personally, I think that the changing of certain words thing sucks. I'm pretty sure the people who read the books would have enough sense to know that Ron isn't walking around in a maroon pinafore dress. I don't think that most people know what a pinafore dress is, or to answer it when someone asks what a "jumper" is. We Americans are getting jipped out of Sirius's vault number and pinafore dresses. :angry:

[Alastor D]

It seems Barbara is right about this thread suffering a confundus spell.

[Kes]

Originally posted by Lestrange (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=328782#post328782))
Personally, I think that the changing of certain words thing sucks. I'm pretty sure the people who read the books would have enough sense to know that Ron isn't walking around in a maroon pinafore dress. I don't think that most people know what a pinafore dress is, or to answer it when someone asks what a "jumper" is. We Americans are getting jipped out of Sirius's vault number and pinafore dresses. :angry:


I agree with this majorly, and no this thread isn't under some confusion charm, I just have a one track mind and if you don't read my original post you will probably be very lost, as for how JKR does the translations, I don't understand how us stupid US citizens would not understand "obstical"

Does anyone have a list of important things that were changed between editions (UK and US)? because I have a feeling that I am missing more then Sirius's valt number and pinafore dresses. :banghead:

[Alastor D]

In 'The Harry Potter Lexicon' there is a page 'British/US Editions'.

Many of those changes have been discussed in this forum, but unfortunately scattered around in different threads. Which makes them hard to find. Some of those threads seem to be still in the Forbidden Forest.

[Kes]

Does that mean they don't exist? (sorry i'm new here...)

[Alastor D]

There was an accident abt 3 weeks ago. All threads apparated into The Forbidden Forest (we are not allowed in there). They are being restored, but it takes time. By now we have already more than 300 threads back here in The Great Hall.

Or something like that. There was an announcement, but I don't remember all of it. If you need to know more, post your questions in the Feedback room.

[miri]

Do americans really think *pinafore dress* when they hear *jumper*?

From Cambridge dictionary,

pinafore (DRESS) UK noun [C] (US jumper)
a loose dress with no sleeves which is usually worn over other clothing such as a shirt

pullover noun [C] (US USUALLY sweater, AUSTRALIAN ENGLISH USUALLY jumper)
a piece of clothing which is made of a warm material such as wool, has long sleeves, and is worn over the top part of the body and put on by pulling it over your head


Would seem so...! :??:

Very very bizarre!

[Jessica]

I hear jumper, I think of the stupid sleeveless plaid uniform dresses we had to wear in elementary school.

I definitely would not have figured out that it meant sweater.

I hate jumpers.

[Kes]

ok, wow this topic went from deaths to jumpers...

[Cat]

Originally posted by Kes (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=330472#post330472))
I agree with this majorly, and no this thread isn't under some confusion charm, I just have a one track mind and if you don't read my original post you will probably be very lost, as for how JKR does the translations, I don't understand how us stupid US citizens would not understand "obstical"

Does anyone have a list of important things that were changed between editions (UK and US)? because I have a feeling that I am missing more then Sirius's valt number and pinafore dresses. :banghead:


It isn't really important, but it would peeve me if I had only the US editions, so -
There are supposedly two sentence changes in the Shrieking Shack chapters. The first is when Lupin first enters and says 'Where is he Sirius?' and how his tone of voice is described. The second is how Sirius reacts to Hermione talking to him politely. I could only tell you what it says in the UK editions, because that's what I have. They're all the way upstairs, though. I'd be interested to know what the US editions say here first, anyway.

[Kes]

Okay, i will go get my US editions if you go get your UK ones, and I don't only have a copy of the US editions I have the France ones too, the only problem is I don't speek french...yet

[Cat]

Alright, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (UK Bloomsbury edition), 'Cat, Rat and Dog'.

1) Then Lupin spoke, in an odd voice, a voice that shook with some supressed emotion. 'Where is he Sirius'?

2)'Er - Mr Black - Sirius?' said Hermione, timidly.
Black jumped at being addressed like this and stared at Hermione as though being spoken to politely was something he'd long forgotten.

These are two bits that have supposedly been altered for no apparant reason in the US editions. I say 'supposedly' because the fact that one person said it is so doesn't actually mean it is.

[Kes]

Page 354 PoA (scholastic US edition)

1)Then Lupin spoke, in a very tense voice.
"Where is he, Sirius?"

Page 370 PoA (scholastic US edition)
2)"Er-Mr. Black-Sirius?" said Hermione.
Black jumped at being addressed like this and stared at Hermione as though he had never seen anything quite like her.

Yeah they're different, weird...I like the UK version better by far, I need to go to England now.

[Cat]

The quotes you gave are the ones I read about! Thanks for verifying that. It's so weird. It looks as though the sentences were cropped in printing and hastily filled in afterwards. There was no need to simplfy those words on purpose...

[Kes]

I know! Gir eather they think we are really stupid, or there is some weird person who feels like depriving us of good literature!
:banghead:

[Alastor D]

Originally posted by Kes (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=334905#post334905))
I know! Gir eather they think we are really stupid, or there is some weird person who feels like depriving us of good literature!
:banghead:


Both apply, I'm afraid. It's a sad thing that some publishers (not only in the US) fail to realise that what makes good literature is very much the language used by the author.

And forgive me for repeating myself. The Harry Potter Lexicon features a list of those changes for all 4 books. It's found under "British/US editions". I don't know if it's complete, it probably is.

[Kes]

Thank you i will go there, i hate stupid publishers.

[Girl]

It's not just the US editions which have changes, many facts are lost when the book is written in a different language.
When the books are changed it loses part of it's magic. Much of the story is lost in the translations. That's why the original is the best noting is changed.

[Alastor D]

Exactly, Girl. There is no way to avoid losing things in a translation to another language. But translating from English to English is unneccessary because kids are in general not stupid. And definitely not more stupid than we are.
It's always recommendable to read the original if one understands even something of the language.

[Mad-I Moody]

I'd like to say that I am also opposed to changing the UK version into a US version. It just costs time and money and is unecessary. But, as JKR oversees the changes, I guess I can't argue that they (the changes) alter the meaning of her words.

Back to the topic, I would like to post my theory about Fudge being the one more death that Voldemort is referring to...

Originally posted by Kes (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=323164#post323164))

This is where my main point comes into play, In the begining of book four (Harry Potter and the Goblit of Fire) Voldemort states that there is only one more death needed until the path to Harry is clear. Bertha was already dead, Voldemort also stated that no one in the wizarding world need know about it. After saying that Voldemort killed two people, and Crouch Jr. killed one. They are: Frank Brice, Bartamus Crouch Sr. and Cedric Diggory. We can asume that he didn't mean Frank or Cedric, because those deaths were "accidents", or at least they most likely weren't in the original plan. We can also asume that it isn't Barty Crouch Sr. because if he all of a sudden disapeared people would notice, after all, he does have a rather high place in the minestry and had an important role in the Tri-wizard tunament.



If we can indeed assume that the "one more death" (or obstacle) is not Barty Crouch Sr, then I believe that it could possibly be Cornelius Fudge they are talking about. Here are my reasons for thinking this.
1. In Book 3, Fudge is very kind to Harry, almost nurturing, and he obviously cares about what happens to him. He is waiting for him at the Leaky Cauldron and he takes precautions to ensure that Harry doesn't put himself in harms way (because of Sirius). At the end of Book 3, he tells Snape that "We all have a bit of a blind spot where [Harry] is concerned" (Chapter 24 PoA). This seems like a totally different Fudge than the one we see in GoF.
a) He tries to separate Harry from Dumbledore when Harry returns from the third task by calling Dumbledore's attention to Amos Diggory and away from Harry. Where is that "soft spot" for Harry now?
b) He defies Dumbledore's wishes to keep the Dementors out of Hogwarts and brings one in to execute Crouch Jr. This seems illogical for Fudge to do, because the MoM would have wanted to question Crouch Jr. Maybe it is an imposter, then, who wanted to shut Crouch Jr. up for some reason...
c) Dumbledore gives Fudge a strange look on pg 703 (Hardback, US) after he says that Crouch can not give testimony. It says that "He was staring hard at Fudge, as though seeing him plainly for the first time."
d) Chapter 36 pg 704 US Hardback: "See here, Dumbledore," said Fudge, and Harry was astonished to see a slight smile dawning on his face, "you-you can't seriously believe that." (this happens right after he is told that Voldemort is back and that Barty Crouch Jr. testified under Veritaserum..
e) this curious smile lingers on Fudge's face while he goes on to say that Harry is untrustworthy. He even uses the events from the previous year (Book 3) against Harry. "Dumbledore, the boy was full of some crackpot story at the end of last year, too-his tales are getting taller....the boy can talk to snakes, Dumbledore, and you still think he's trustworthy?" I don't see his "soft spot" for Harry anymore.
f) Fudge is awfully quick to jump to the defense of the Death Eaters named by Harry.
g) in Book 1, I think Hagrid says that Fudge is always sending Dumbledore owls asking for advice on different issues that come up in the MoM. At the end of book 4, however, Fudge doesn't seem to be willing to accept anything Dumbledore says and he doesn't seem to trust him at all.

OK, so back to chapter 1 in GoF. Voldemort tells Pettigrew: "one more death and our path to Harry Potter is clear. I am not asking you to do it alone. By that time, my faithful servant will have rejoined us..." He also says that "If you follow the plan, Wormtail, the Ministry need never know that anyone else has died." This second quote is worded a little obscurely. Could Voldemort mean that the Ministry never need know that another member of the Ministry has died? If so, and Fudge is the "one more death," then it would make sense that, if all goes according to plan, that no one would find out Fudge had died, especially if there is someone impersonating him.

We never see or know of Peter killing another person in Book 4, and it is obviously a task assigned to him. Voldemort says that he would do it himself but he is too weak. Peter also, we can assume, had the help of Crouch Jr. ("I am not asking you to do it alone').

Anyway, that's my theory. :huh:

:huh: :huh: ;D

[Girl]

I don't think that Fudge was to be killed.

"I am not asking you to do it alone" is refering to Moody. Wormtail and Crouch Jr were to break into his house and kidnap him.

"If you follow the plan, Wormtail, the Ministry need never know that anyone else has died."
I think at first the plan was to kill Moody but he was needed for the posion. Or maybe after Moody was not needed anymore he was to be killed. The MoM would not have known as Crouch Jr was pretending to be Moody.

Once Moody was out of the way Crouch Jr was able to pretend to be Moody and get into Hogworts and turn the Cup into a port key. Without Moody the way to Harry is clear. Voldermort was refering to Moody as the death/obstacle. Voldermort had planed to kill Harry and the death/obstacle would have happened before the grave yard. That why the death/obstacle would have been done before Harry went to the grave yard.

[Alastor D]

But the obstacle had to be removed (or murder committed for those who insist the Scholastic version is more true than the original) to get the path to Harry clear. And the path to Harry WAS cleared. Without anything happening to Fudge. And Moody going to Hogwarts as a teacher surely was an obstacle. And he was removed.

Edit: sorry Girl, I hadn't seen your reply when I wrote mine.

[Mad-I Moody]

Originally posted by Alastor D (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=337639#post337639))
But the obstacle had to be removed (or murder committed for those who insist the Scholastic version is more true than the original) to get the path to Harry clear. And the path to Harry WAS cleared. Without anything happening to Fudge. And Moody going to Hogwarts as a teacher surely was an obstacle. And he was removed.

Edit: sorry Girl, I hadn't seen your reply when I wrote mine.


I understand that Moody could be the obstacle/murder that Voldemort was talking about. I was just trying to throw out another possibility. I mean, something COULD have happened to Fudge that we don't know about yet, just like something happened to Moody that we didn't know about until the end of book 4. Fudge's behavior in GoF seems very peculiar to me, so I was trying to come up with an explanation for it. I know it is far fetched, but it's just a theory.

I have both the UK and the US editions, and I think that either one can be considered true or reliable, since JKR oversaw and approved the changes that were to be made to the text. I do wish that only one edition would come out for everyone, and then this confusion wouldn't ensue. *sigh* :D
;D

[HPviolinist85]

Maybe it was Rita Skeeter. She already has a reputation as a "poison pen" and ruined many a reputation. Maybe someone wants to kill her and make aim directly at the good side to discredit Harry, Hagrid, DD, etc to confuse people and not to side with them. I think the original rita bad mouthed EVERYONE good and bad and Voldemort didn't want Rita possibly disrupting his plans and wanted her to stay away from his side. Personally, I think Rita is a man and she does suck on the quill too much.

[Kes]

First off, Mad-I-Moody, you could be right, but, who do you think replaced Fudge if he is dead? I do have an arguement against that though, the comment about him bombarding Dumbledore with owls, suports the fact that he is a stupid politicion who probably has a big ego, and doesn't always pay atention to his smarter adviser (after all, he was the one who sent Hagrid to Azkaban).


Second off, HPviolinist85, I think you took The Ultimate Unofficial Guide to the Mysteries of Harry Potter (for books 1-4) a little to seariously(sp?), I mean, they did think James was in Lupin's body didn't they?


And Finally, I went and read threw the changes from UK to US editions, and the only ones I find nesisary are jumper to sweater and tank top to sweater vest, or else, I (along with many others) would have asumed some of the charicters to be cross dressers, which (as far as we know) is not true.

[Mad-I Moody]

:D :D I have no idea who would replace Fudge if he were the "death" mentioned. My theory is only half-baked, really, and I'm not sure that I believe any of it myself. Iwas just looking for some deeper way to explain Fudge's behavior at the end of Gof, and I also thought it might generate some responses! :D :D

[Kes]

Well it was good for a half baked theory.

[Isaraniel]

I was just reading GoF again, and for one time I really paid close attention to the Wormtail - Voldemort dialogue in the Riddle house, and noticed something I didn't see before. It's in this part:


"My Lord, I must speak!" said Wormtail, panic in his voice now. "All through our journey I have gone over the plan in my head -- My Lord, Bertha Jorkin's disappearance will not go unnoticed for long, and if we proceed, if I murder --"
"If?" whispered the second voice. "If? If you follow the plan, Wormtail, the Ministry need never know that anyone else has died. You will do it quietly and without fuss; I only wish that i could do it myself, but in my present condition...Come, Wormtail, one more death and our path to Harry Potter is clear. I am not asking you to do it alone. By that time, my faithful servant will have rejoined us --"


Who is that other person they're talking about? The one that is going to be killed to clear the path to Harry Potter? Am I missing something obvious here? Frank Bryce, Cedric Diggory, Crouch sr., they all don't make sense. Or is the murder unnoticed yet, like Voldemort says:
"If you follow the plan, Wormtail, the Ministry need never know that anyone else has died."

Or am I really forgetting someone here?

[Schlubalybub]

unless he WANTED to kill Dumbledore...... mind you, i dont think that would go unnoticed by the ministry of magic!

[tabby]

I think you're right.

My first thought was Moody, but he wasn't killed just kept tied up in his chest.

The only person to die was Cedric. He wasn't supposed to be there, and his death wasn't necessary to clear a path to Harry. They already had Harry.

I don't know. I think it's just something that got missed when the book was edited.

[Jessicatwin]

maybe this is the murder for book 5 it hasnt happened yet right? someone who will be in the way......a close friend!?

[Schlubalybub]

maybe it was just a remark, people do that, you know!

[Isaraniel]

Originally posted by Jessicatwin (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=376007#post376007))
maybe this is the murder for book 5 it hasnt happened yet right? someone who will be in the way......a close friend!?


But they planned it in the Riddle house, even before they even knew Harry would get away at the end. At the point where voldemort tries to kill Harry he should already have killed that other person that apparently was in the way.

[Schlubalybub]

but we dont seem to be informed about thid, unless it was crouch jr killing crouch sr on the order of voldemort

[jynni]

Is it possible for the other murder to have been Crouch Sr.?

[Isaraniel]

Or maybe it really is unnoticed yet. Voldemort says that Wormtail has to kill him/her, although he liked to do it himself. So, Wormtail probably used his own wand (I know he didn't at the end of GoF, to kill Cedric, but still..). If he used his own wand we can't know about it yet because the murdered person didn't came out of Voldemorts want at Priori Incantatem.


It can't be Frank Bryce (obviously), because Voldemort killed him by himself.
It can't be Cedric, because he only was there at the end by accident, and at the end they probably already killed that person otherwise the path to Harry wouldn't be clear.
It can't be Crouch sr. because Wormtail didn't kill him, Crouch jr. killed him on his own..

so it has to be someone else

[faiza]

Originally posted by Isaraniel (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=375992#post375992))

I only wish that i could do it myself, but in my present condition...Come, Wormtail, one more death and our path to Harry Potter is clear. I am not asking you to do it alone. By that time, my faithful servant will have rejoined us --"




i think it's crouck sr. it seas "I am not asking you to do it alone.by that time, my faithful servant will have rejoined us" so it could be him. it also seas: "I only wish that i could do it myself, but in my present condition..." crouch sent many deadeaters to azkaban and i think voldemort wants revenge. AND the ministry didn't notice first, they thought he was sick...

[Kes]

Uh I already made a post like this it is called "One more death" and you can find it here

http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9415

[FirefightingMuggle]

I'm thinking that maybe that Death didn't happen yet. I mean if you think about it, the path to Harry really isn't clear yet. There are still a lot of people trying to protect him: DD, Sirius, the Weasleys, Moody, Lupin, other Hogwarts professors, the Dursleys (yes I included them because they kind of are), Mrs Figg (we think), Hargid, Ron and Hermione. Soooo...which of these people will die to make that path clear??? It hasn't happened yet, because none of these people are dead (yet)

[fuzzi95]

Yes...just be sure to use the search to make sure there are no related topics!!! :) It's hard to get the hang of, but you should be just fine if you use keywords!!!Happy Posting!!!

As for me, I think the other murder was Crouch Sr....For some reason I feel it was planned!

[Barbara Kennedy]

Perhaps this should be merged with the previous thread on the subject "One More Death?"
http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9415

[Pucko]

Wormtail was probably going to kil Crouch cuz he was too risky to have around...but then he escaped so Wormtail couldn't kill him, leaving Crouch Jr to do it instead....
I think the death he was talking about was Crouch Sr

[Doggy]

Until they merge it...

Obviously, we don't know who's dead (if someone is), because the whole plan was to make sure that noone knew that (insert name) was dead. I could start counting all the people who have a part in the Harry Potter books; it could be one of them, or a person we've never heard of.

Who, though, would Voldemort want to kill? Obviously Dumbledore, but something says me that that's just not it. Maybe Fudge? He's very powerful...

Still, he says "one more death and my path to Harry is clear" (or something like it) so it has to be something to do with someone who had something to do with the tasks or something.

[dorcasderr]

Could the death be Petunia Dursley? She is part of the Old magic that protects Harry when he is not at Hogwarts. if her murder were arranged to look like an accident then the MOM might not suspect it had any ties to Voldewmort. Dumbledore, of course, would know, but would he be able to convince anyone at the Ministry with that idiot Fudge in charge?

[Kes]

I still say its Figg, all those refrences to her in the 4th book were not for fluff, I say she was killed while we barely even knew she existed.

Plus dorcasderr if it was Petunia wouldn't Vernon have all the "please-men" look for her murderer? I think it would go a little more noticed by the minestry if Harry was short one gardian, though that could be true....

[Barbara Kennedy]

Has anyone considered that Voldemort may be planning to make Peter kill the "traitor", Severus Snape, who may be a protection of Harry's as well?

[Ecthelion]

Has anyone considered that Voldemort may be planning to make Peter kill the "traitor", Severus Snape, who may be a protection of Harry's as well?

It's a possiblity but I just don't know....I think it would be more likely for Voldemort to send Peter to kill Lupin, whom he knows is fighting for the opposite side. The silver hand must mean something, and I am sure Voldemort just doesn't do something just for a small practical purpose. I am sure that many of his delibrate movements and actions in some way will later on reveal their evil intentions.

Snape to me sounds like a verible and worthy foe or opponent. He obviously has a lot of spells to use against you and has experience to back it up with. As to how powerful he is I'd say he is quite powerful, because he seemed like he could contend with Sirius and James so I would assume that he is. Because of those things, I highly doubt that Voldemort would send Peter, who is not, as we know, fully capable of defeating Snape. Voldemort would like to get things done the first time and well. Peter Pettigrew is not very reliable for any of those things to say the least.

[Alastor D]

I'm afraid he wouldn't trust Peter with that. However, as Voldemort like many other criminals seems to sometimes underestimate his enemies, it's possible.

[Barbara Kennedy]

Originally posted by Isaraniel (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=375992#post375992))

"My Lord, I must speak!" said Wormtail, panic in his voice now. "All through our journey I have gone over the plan in my head -- My Lord, Bertha Jorkin's disappearance will not go unnoticed for long, and if we proceed, if I murder --"
"If?" whispered the second voice. "If? If you follow the plan, Wormtail, the Ministry need never know that anyone else has died. You will do it quietly and without fuss; I only wish that i could do it myself, but in my present condition...Come, Wormtail, one more death and our path to Harry Potter is clear. I am not asking you to do it alone. By that time, my faithful servant will have rejoined us --"




Voldemort didn't intend Peter to do it alone. He was going to have backup to help him kill Snape or whomever was in the way.

[Doggy]

Originally posted by Pucko (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=376270#post376270))
Wormtail was probably going to kil Crouch cuz he was too risky to have around...but then he escaped so Wormtail couldn't kill him, leaving Crouch Jr to do it instead....
I think the death he was talking about was Crouch Sr


Yeah, it's possible, but don't you remember that Voldemort said (something like it anyway) "Your blunder has not ruined everything. He is dead". To me it sounds like the whole Crouch escaping thing was a big mistake (well duh, did they want him to tell Dumbledore?) and so Crouch Jr. killed his dad "just for safety", not because it was planned all along.

Ok, maybe it was, but wasn't anything that would leave the path to Harry clear. As far as we know...

[Tsar]

There are Seven top possibilities I see as the last remaining obstacle

Dumbledore the only wizard Voldemort ever feared

Black Harry's Godfather and the only wizard known to have escaped Azkaban without assistance

Lupin although he looks ragged the fact he is a Werwolf makes him actually quite powerful well versed in DADA

Figg possibly harry's secret keeper

Moody probably one of the best Aurors

Snape still protective of Harry even though he loathes him and is as highly versed in DADA as Lupin and Moody having been a DE

Dobby extremely powerful house elf who is protective of Harry

three more remote possibilities

McGonnagall extremely protective of the trio

Arthur and Molly Weasely serve as Harry's surrogate parents

[dorcasderr]

Yes, but most of those don't fit the "the Ministry need never know" criterion.

[AffectedMangoO]

I don't really understand, have we figured out who Voldy wanted to kill?

[padfootgrim]

it could be dumbledore... :/ dont know

[giantsquid28]

Every time I reread the book, I try to figure out who the "one more" is and I never can. I'd think Moody because it is the fauxMoody who is the one to guide Harry through the tournament. Offing the real Moody would clear that path, but they need him alive for the polyjuice potion. The way that the passage is worded is so confusing~ who is that person? I really hope that one day JKR's notes are published so we can put everything together.

[Alastor D]

If you read through the first page of this thread, you'll find out why he didn't necessary intend to kill anybody in order to get his path to Harry clear.
Killing Barty sr was obviously not part of the original plan. If he hadn't managed to fight the Imperius curse, he would still be alive and well.

[adon_ch]

"If?" whispered the second voice. "If? If you follow the plan, Wormtail, the Ministry need never know that anyone else has died. You will do it quietly and without fuss; I only wish that i could do it myself, but in my present condition...Come, Wormtail, one more death and our path to Harry Potter is clear.

It must mean that they need to kill this person to get to harry right?

"I am not asking you to do it alone. By that time, my faithful servant will have rejoined us --"

By the faithful servant, Voldemort clearly means Crouch jr, who could not possibly be with them to help Peter kill this person because he was in hogwarts all the time. I see a timing problem but i don't know if i expressed myself clearly.(english isn't my native language)

[Alastor D]

The problem here is that, for some reason Scholastic saw fit to change tis text for the American edition.
The British original says: "...that anyone else has disappeared." and "..., one more obstacle removed..."
Nothing about exactly killing anybody there.

[Cat]

I agree with Alastor D. The fact that it was edited, for some peculiar and unknown reason, to 'death' and 'murder' doesn't mean that the 'obstacle' mentioned in the unedited versions is actually somebody they wanted dead.

I believe the obstacle was Moody. They needed to get him out of the picture so that Crouch could take his place.

I'm still marvelling over the fact that they edited this. It was clearly a conscious effort. The edited lines in the Shrieking Shack scene in POA might have been accidents, but this one can't be. It's repeated throughout! Why?

[Alastor D]

Yes. Moody was 'removed' into his own trunk. Thus 'disappeared'. That nobody missed him is another thing. But Voldemort didn't plan to have Barty Crouch sr disappearing. He was still there, sending owls to Weatherby. Until he had to be finally dealt with because he managed to fight the Imperius curse.
So, I agree with Cat. The obstacle referred to must have been Moody.

[ramones]

I am really not happy that they changed 'obstacle' into 'death' in the American version!

Obstacle was in the original version and I think that the last obstacle was Moody. Once Crouch Jr could get into Hogwarts the plan was going to work.

[harry13]

I think the death was planned to happen once Crouch Jr. had reveiled his identity and joined up with Voldy because then "my faithful severant" will have returned.

[ragga]

sadly i havent had the chance to read through the whole thread but i just read this page and well...if we gather that the faithful servant was crouch jr and he was going to help peter...

"By that time, my faithful servant will have rejoined us "

if the faithful servant was crouch jr, and he was going to help peter to kill the obsticle to get to harry, well wouldnt they have killed this person during the year of gof, because they were planning to kill harry at the end of that year anyway so the obsticle would have had to have been killed by then. So my guess is that it was going to be someone in the school, because Moody(crouch jr) couldnt exactly leave halfway through the year in persuit to kill someone.

so i guess that who ever they were supposed to kill didnt work out as planned...unless they managed to kill the person around about the time of the first chapter, or between then and the start of school, so possably someone at the world cup.???

correct me if ive gone wrong or you cant understand where im going

[Xtina Tares]

I think that they have to get the prophecy, or know it at least.

[Fool]

I assumed it was in reference to Barty Crouch Sr. In order for the "path to Harry Potter" to be clear, he needed to replace Moody. In order to replace Moody, he needed Crouch Jr. In order to get Crouch Jr., Barty Sr. had to be removed. Of course he didn't *need* to kill Crouch Sr., but this is Voldemort we're talking about.

[SquibOnline]

I think he was talking about Crouch or Dumbledore

[Snowthorn]

I'd like to propose an idea.... I know it might be far-fetched. But is there any possibility that Lord Voldemort might want to do away with Aunt Petunia? The only blood link to Harry's protection? I feel that it would just be like JKR to pull a fast one and involve the Muggle world this way. Any thoughts??

[oliveros]

interesting. If anyone, i think it would be Dumbledore or Snape. He did say he'd kill snape when he was with his DE, so its probable that he wanted to kill him, after all Snape is the one whos in charge of fining out Voldemorts plans

[ragga]

Snowthorn know it might be far-fetched. But is there any possibility that Lord Voldemort might want to do away with Aunt Petunia?

Ive never though of that, nice idea. And well yeah it could be possable, LV knows about the love thing doesnt he?...if so that would make it so much easier for him to get to Harry.

[Fool]

interesting. If anyone, i think it would be Dumbledore or Snape. He did say he'd kill snape when he was with his DE, so its probable that he wanted to kill him, after all Snape is the one whos in charge of fining out Voldemorts plans


He never said he'd kill Snape. He said the one whom he believed had left him forever would be killed, but Snape was never mentioned by name. Karkaroff betrayed Death Eaters and by his own accord "regretted that he had been one of them". Just because we associated him with being cowardly doesn't mean he was the one Voldemort was describing as cowardly.

My guess is, just like Sirius brother, Voldemort considered Karkaroff a traitor and was referring to him as the one who had left forever.

[Hermywormy]

The Arabella theory is interesting. But when I think about their being an obstacle, I think about it as Dumbledore getting in the way or something like that. I haven't read GoF in a while so I really don't remember that actual dialogue. Could the obstacle be Harry himself or was the obstacle the thing getting in the way of killing Harry?

My exact guess. I think it probably meant Harry was in the way to his power. Yeah, I don't remember that, but whatever. That makes the most sense to me, but otherwise, I'd say Dumbledore.

[Snowthorn]

You know, the more I think about it, the last barrier to Harry is Aunt Petunia. I think it would be an unexpected blow if Aunt Petunia was killed horribly by LV. We're obviously going to find out how much Aunt Petunia knows of the world of Hogwart's in HBP, and I theorize that LV will want to kill her to remove the final protective barrier to attack Harry. I mean, think of it! Uncle Vernon and Dudley are absolutely loathsome, but they're not pure evil like LV. And what would cause them to realize and acknowledge Harry's world as legit and valid such as having their world torn apart by Petunia's death? JKR has already planted a replacement mother-figure in Aunt Marge!

Would anyone care to disagree?

[aggiefan1206]

I dont think Peter Pettigrew is strong enough to really kill Snape. He is not that powerful of a wizard unless voldemort found some way to make him a lot better then he was.If Snape dies i think voldemort will do it on his own. Petunia could possibly be killed but i dont know because Dudley also has some of his moms blood which would have some of harrys blood and i wonder if that could also keep harry safe?

[Snowthorn]

Dudley also has some of his moms blood which would have some of harrys blood and i wonder if that could also keep harry safe?

True, but Dudley would then have to make his promises to Dumbledore, whoever, to protect harry, as I think Petunia's done. This may also be some charm or protective spell...sort of like a fidelius charm, where the person in question is protected only by a spell involving two blood relations and no one can harm them without the relation's consent or something. Dudley would have to shelter Harry..........which could be a possible future plotpoint??? :huh:
Wouldn't that be a kicker! If Harry has to accept help from Dudley!!

[deathfairy87]

I think the death has already happened. He did say "One more death until I can get to Harry Potter". And wasn't he planning to get to Harry during the Triwizard Tournament. So the death would have been somewhere in the 4th book. I'm not sure about this, but what if someone died and we just never found out. I mean, I have NO idea who it could have been. And I don't really remember anyone else dying. I thought for a moment it was Moody, but he had to keep Moody alive for the polyjuice potion... Hm... I'm not sure how it could be someone we don't know of yet. But I can't really think of another explanation

[ragga]

I think the death has already happened. He did say "One more death until I can get to Harry Potter". And wasn't he planning to get to Harry during the Triwizard Tournament. So the death would have been somewhere in the 4th book. I'm not sure about this, but what if someone died and we just never found out. I mean, I have NO idea who it could have been. And I don't really remember anyone else dying. I thought for a moment it was Moody, but he had to keep Moody alive for the polyjuice potion... Hm... I'm not sure how it could be someone we don't know of yet. But I can't really think of another explanation

exactly the point iw as trying to make above, so that would mean the death has already happened but we dont actualy know it or who it was, maybe its someone we havent been introduced to, was there any comments about anyone dyeing in OOTP?

[Classical_Wizar]

I thought it was couch sr. since they were trying to free couch jr from his father's control.

[Alastor D]

Nice to see this thread still going.
The HP Lexicon has a list of all changes made in the American versions of the books. There you can find out that the British original said: "...come, Wormtail, one more obstacle removed and our path to Harry Potter is clear." The one more death is only in the American version. The two pages later Voldemort said "One more curse ... my faithful servant at Hogwarts ..."

Seems reasonable to think he was referring to overpowering Moody and get him under the imperius curse, but not to killing anybody.

And about killing Snape. At the graveyard Voldemort said that the one he believed had left him forever will be killed. Might have been Snape. But at this very moment the path to Harry had been cleared already. That he once again failed to get rid of Harry is another thing.

[MadMagic]

I'm really peeved at the translators right now.
I was re-reading GoF this morning and was racking my brain as to who the 'one more death' was refering to. If it is a translation mistake, then I think it is really a pretty blatant one that should be changed, especially with how popular of a book HP is to dissect and analyze.
The one more obstacle being Moody makes much more sense than one more death.