Who will the murderer be?

[I heart Sirius]

Just wondering who you guys think will be the one that kill "the one" in OotP, the one meaning the major death, the one that was hard to write.
That is to say they die at the hand of someone, but I think whoever it is, will. Just don't know by who...

[Raven]

Remember the LeStranges? They were only mentioned two, three times in GoF. I bet they do it.

Just a hunch.

[DocHollidaywe]

I think this was also being discussed in the Book 5: who do you think will die part 2 (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5810)

However I could be wrong ... I think the death will be by a group of death eaters who excape without being ID, I think the death will take place during a Hogsmeade visit, or perhaps getting off the train at the end of the year.

[flibbertigibbet]

Oh, good point, Raven. You never know, Azkaban might be opened in book 5 (although I'm not convinced of this, but that's not important), and just to show the seriousness of the situation, one of the formerly imprisoned Death Eaters could start murdering right away. They're capable of it, anyhow.

[rotsiepots]

I can't imagine why it would be anyone else but Voldemort. He's the bad guy and had to abstain from killing people for more than 10 years. In a rather macabre way, I'm sure he's looking forward to getting back into his old habits.

I can imagine that the "awful" death in OotP is committed by Voldemort.

[Bouncing_Ferret]

I have a silly little theory that the "murderer" will be Harry. Not that Harry will WANT to murder anyone, but the mention of a "great sacrifice" sort of makes me think that Harry might have to sacrifice one of his friends for the "greater good". So Harry won't be a murderer, but he will be sort of responsible.

Then again, it doesn't seem likely that Voldie's going to lay off killing - unless he makes some rash promise to himself that the first person he'll kill will be Harry or something, but I don't see that happening!

;)

[Cat]

Can I ask why everybody says a main character will die? Being hard to write isn't the same as being the death of a main character. It might just be very horrible. Besides, there are LOADS of characters who are more known than Cedric and yet aren't featured enough to be main characters.

People thought Ron or Hagrid would die in Goblet of Fire.

Sorry, just rambling.

I guess that the Death is commited by a Death Eater. Of course it's impossible to guess these things :D

[Aria Angel]

I am also of the camp that Harry will kill someone. Might not neccessarily be the "big death" but I think he will kill someone.

Can't view death much more closely than that, unless you die yourself.

Aria

[rikuownsyou]

I think that it might be harry who ends up killing someone..either of great importances..or because he feels like it I dont know butt I suppose we will find out when the book arrives.

[Ecthelion]

Actually that Harry theory really could happen. Considering that she said that the death would be horrible to write, we automatically think "Oh it has to be someone Harry knows personally and cares about so much". Could be true, but not necissarily.

What if the hard death to write about would be when he is forced to kill another human being? That would be horribly hard to write especially if he had to kill him/her to save a friend or beloved of his! It would be excruciating to write because she would have to tell and explain the turmiol that would be going through Harry's head before he kills the person...let alone the turmoil he'll face after he kills him....

[I heart Sirius]

Yeah I was wondering ever since PoA if he really would kill someone. Then he just didn't have the nerve (then again it's not like he knew what to do or have the power either) but that aside. I think he may have to kill just once in order to destroy Voldemort.

[Disarming Charm]

I think that it could be Harry, in an indirect way, who kills someone.

If it is a DE that kills someone or even Voldy himself he really is responsible in a way because he let Wormtail live in PoA which resulted in the return of Voldy.

I think if that happens Harry will begin to think that the death was his fault even if it wasn't.

[jerb]

Hmm... Harry won't kill anyone in this book. Maybe later, like book 7.

If Voldermort kills someone it will be an "accident." I believe that Volermort will not want it known he is back until Harry is dead. That being the case, any death by Voldermort would be aimed at Harry and not at whoever dies.

If it is a Death Eater who kills, it will be someone who is being stupid and just wants to kill. I don't think it will be on Voldermort's order. Or at the very least, it will appear that it is either an accident or that the DE is being foolish.

Of course, it could be an accident. A real accident, like s/he fell out of a tree, or a dragon burned him/her. But I really doubt it would be an accident of that kind.

Personally, I think it is going to be an accident by Voldermort.
"Harry, you are going to die! Oh, **** I killed (fill in name here) instead. Ok, Harry, NOW you are going to die!"

[Tomsk]

What if Harry just lost it and went mad, and maybe the link with Vs wand would make it easier to do AK on someone somehow?? Either that, or he hits them off a broom, because they get him........ OR... what if Colin pi***s Harry off just a bit too much so Harry throws him in the lake to get eaten by the giant squid!?!?!?!

Maybe I'M losing it!!

I like the idea of Harry killing someone though. That would be hard to write.

[Katze]

I think it will be a deatheater.

I'm wondering if Harry might be in a similar situation like in GoF - where he was unable to do anything, and because of his inability, another person dies.

I think this might propell him to ask all the questions that D is supposed to answer.

I also wonder if this might cause Harry to take an interest in the Dark Arts for possible use. Perhaps Snape will have something to do with this?

Interesting...I'd never really thought about who was going to kill the person. I was only curious who it was, but never how it happened.

[Ecthelion]

Just wondering, but lets say Harry does kill a death eater. He'll have to use the killing curse won't he? However, the killing curse is illegal, so he'd get in trouble! (such as azkaban) That makes me think that Harry killing someone is not going to be it. But if it were, how else besides the killing curse could Harry kill someone?

[onetruegryffindor]

not in book 5 though
no... the murdr in book 5 is most likely performed ny a death eater or by Voldypoo him self

[Grace Granger]

Wow, I never thought of who would do the killing! I like the Harry killing someone sacrifice-wise or not. That would be a horrible death to write, as mentioned before by Ecthelion, because JKR will write about Harry's inner emotional turmoil. Also, it will have Harry examining death in a closer way.

This is perfect because before now who would have thought Harry would kill anyone besides Voldemort. I've never seen him capable of that and I was besides myself reading PoA thinking would Harry kill Sirius and Pettigrew, but then he didn't. So is Harry capable of killing someone besides Voldemort?

If it isn't Harry, I would assume it would be a DE, preferably Lucius Malfoy killing a Weasley, preferably Molly. (One Weasley has to die and one Weasley has to turn evil in my book! :evil: ) According to Voldie's wand he has only killed a few people, (or perhaps JKR didn't want all of his victims coming out) he seems to send the DE's to do his dirty work while he's busy plotting to kill Harry.

[miri]

I think there are other ways of killing people.

In PoA, Hermione thought they'd killed Snape with the combined disarming charms. What if he'd smashed his head on something? He'd have died, they would have killed him.

What if you take control of someone's broom when they're on it (like Quirrell was trying in PS) and nobody stops you or catches the victim?

What if you accio a rug someone's standing on, right at the top of a flight of stairs?

What if you poison someone (accidentally or on purpose)?

What if you set a dangerous creature on them?

What if you seal them up somewhere where air can't get in or out?

There are many many ways of killing people. Not all of them involve magical curses.

*Please sir, I was trying to fetch MY broom...*

*I didn't know anyone was on that rug/ in that room...*

*It was an accident*

*I really didn't think it would work...*

I think Draco might go too far and kill a Creavley brother.

[Moonstone]

Good point, miri. (Remind me never to get on your bad side! :) )

Death Eaters operated in secrecy and deceit. There were probably lots of "accidents" as well as outright Avada Kedavra-style murders.

[miri]

If the Ministry monitors use of magic, then it's unlikely that many people would get away with the use of unforgivable curses for any length of time.

We don't know how stringent that monitoring is though.

[Disarming Charm]

I thought about that too miri but I'm thinking the monitoring can't be too stringent if Fudge does not realize that Voldy is back. If they monitor all magic they should be aware of the dark magic that was used against Harry at the end of GoF.

I know they do not know who casts the spell because of the Dobby/pudding episode in CoS, they just knew magic had happened.

Hmmm... Now this has me thinking..

[Barbara Kennedy]

Nor how accurate it can be. Is it just the detection of magical energies being used, or do they have a way of detecting exactly what the spell is? If they can detect that accurately, why isn't the method used to track criminal activity?

Also, on another note, methods of killing have been used by muggles as long as they have been around, no magic needed, a rock will do in a pinch.
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[I heart Sirius]

Originally posted by Ecthelion (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=342562#post342562))
Just wondering, but lets say Harry does kill a death eater. He'll have to use the killing curse won't he? However, the killing curse is illegal, so he'd get in trouble! (such as azkaban) That makes me think that Harry killing someone is not going to be it. But if it were, how else besides the killing curse could Harry kill someone?


Well didn't Barty Crouch use unforgiveable curses when it came to dealing with DEs and things?

At anyrate, if Harry does kill someone, I don't think it'll be the killing curse...unless JK wants him to experience some of the dark side in that way. We'll see.

[Auri DeMeer]

Maybe Harry will regret not having killed Pettigrew when he had the chance in the Shieking Shack (if Peter hadn't escaped Voldemort wouldn't have come back and so on).

So maybe Harry won't think it twice if in the future he has another chance to get rid of a vilain. Who knows? But anyway I don't think it's a good message for the young readers of the series...:smile:

I think the killer will be a DE and Hagrid will die protecting Harry.:(

[I heart Sirius]

It also wouldn't be overcoming evil if he resorts to that path. I don't think he will, ,that's why I also think he'll live, but of course that's another thread. I'm only saying he will if it's an inderect cause or something.

[SnowyOwl]

I really think the murderer will be the DE MacNair. At his rebirthing, Voldemort promised him that he will soon have better victims than dangerous beasts and MacNair seems to relish the act.

[Mad-I Moody]

I think Cornelius Fudge will kill Hagrid possibly. He is obviously scared of giants (his reaction to Dumbledore's suggestion to send envoys to the giants in GoF), so maybe he'll lash out against Hagrid? He has thrown him in Azkaban on shaky evidence before....and I think Fudge is a bad seed.

But if this is too far-fetched, then I think the murderer will be the Lestranges. I hope we get to see more of them, because they seem like they will be interesting evil characters.

[Puffskein]

I think Harry learned from POA that two wrongs don't make a right - of course events since then have gone the other way, but I think that will be JKR's message. The sacrifice idea is something I could see happening, though, but probably not yet, and it wouldn't be Harry doing the killing unless it was a real mercy killing.

[Mundungus_Black]

I think that the "murderer" will be none other than the " Dis-Gruntled House Elf" - Winky.;D

[miri]

It might well be, but... She's too drunk to aim. ;)

[Crookshanks1974]

Hmmmmmmmm. . . . Well, along with most of you, I hadn't thought too much about who would do the killing, just who would be the one killed. But, I think it really all depends on who is killed, though.

If Hagrid is killed, it will likely be at the hands of a giant.

If Molly is killed, possibly by Wormtail or even (indirectly) Percy.

If Lupin is killed, also could be by Wormtail.

If Serius, by anyone; after all, he's on the run for his life anyway.

I DON'T think Voldemort will be directly involved with the big death because, as several have said, I think he's trying to keep quiet for a little while. Besides, seems to me he is perfectly comfortable having others do his dirty work.

I like the idea of Harry being the one who kills. It would certainly fit into everything we've heard about this big death. However, this will only make sense if he does either in self defense or in saving the life/lives of someone else.

[Crookshanksy]

voldie wont want to show his powers by killing anyone publicly... after all, hes been disgrace hasnt he? Harry Potter managed to escape from him once more! he'll be livid and quite frankly embarassed! but i can see a few 'dissapearances' that will be hushed up by the ministry but outed by DD...

[Raven]

I really don't think we will be seeing Voldie personally in this book...When you get right down to it, we've only see him, in the flesh, twice, and I don't think we will see him again until the seventh book.
Another thing is, how do we know that this will be a flash-bang death. Somebody else mentioned that the horrible death might not be a murder...I think it will be...but I think it might be something more than just a good shot with wand...what do you guys think about poisoning? A slow illness? Dumbledore is really old, and although his mind might be as sharp as ever, his body has got to be frail.

[Crookshanks1974]

I agree. I doubt very much that it will be a quick death. I'm betting on something long and painful. Torture, maybe? Someone had mentioned the possibility once in the Who Will Die? thread I think. I could see something like that happening.

[sarcasticx514]

Can I ask why everybody says a main character will die? Being hard to write isn't the same as being the death of a main character. It might just be very horrible. Besides, there are LOADS of characters who are more known than Cedric and yet aren't featured enough to be main characters.

Well, I'm going to go ahead and assume that a main character is going to die because of the fact that J.K. said it was going to be a hard death to write about. Who do I think is going to be the one to kill?
I think the Lestranges (sp?) because since they are Voldemort's favorite supporters, who's going to give them a little "present" to give them after all those years in Azkaban(sp again...sorry i'm horrible today) where they couldn't serve their oh-so-wonderful Lord and as a welcome back gift. Who knows?
Maybe a death can help those two out in some way, like getting Harry's blood now helps Voldemort to touch him with ease while bringing pain to Harry. Maybe it's Neville? I hope not. :(

[Alice]

I think the killer will be Lucius Malfoy. He needs to get into Voldemort's favour a bit more. The stunt at the Quidditch World Cup didn't do much to impress and I think that we haven't seen Lucius being evil enough yet to satisfy the fact that he produced such a nasty thing as Draco. He certainly hates the Weasleys on a personal level, let alone anything else.

If it is a Weasley that is killed then i think it's an excellent idea for it to be Lucius himself instead of another Death Eater. I heard that it's likely to happen at the beginning of the book so imagine the conflict at school!! It would be very dark and really rub salt in some old wounds. It would also highlight Draco's part in all this - see which side he chooses.

[Grypuffclaw]

I think that the murderer will be Peter Pettigrew. If he murdered someone with his "super-hand" the death would be horrible to write, and it still might not be a main character. Someone suggested that it might not be a main character before and I agree with them.

[I heart Sirius]

Originally posted by Alice (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=343180#post343180))
I think the killer will be Lucius Malfoy. He needs to get into Voldemort's favour a bit more. The stunt at the Quidditch World Cup didn't do much to impress and I think that we haven't seen Lucius being evil enough yet to satisfy the fact that he produced such a nasty thing as Draco. He certainly hates the Weasleys on a personal level, let alone anything else.

If it is a Weasley that is killed then i think it's an excellent idea for it to be Lucius himself instead of another Death Eater. I heard that it's likely to happen at the beginning of the book so imagine the conflict at school!! It would be very dark and really rub salt in some old wounds. It would also highlight Draco's part in all this - see which side he chooses.


Hmm that's a very excellent idea. I would love to see Lucius more and being evil and whatnot. It'd just add to the drama a lot more.

[Weatherby]

I agree it'll be Lucius Malfoy since it goes with my theory of whose going to die.

[HPviolinist85]

I really doubt it will Voldemort. We had enough of him in the last book. I believe the death will have to do with the "door" they were talking about and he was dreaming about and scared of. Someone will sacrifice themselves and won't give Harry a choice (Harry won't be able to change their mind) . It might be because of a mistake Harry made that someone had to sacrifice themselves and Harry will feel responsible for this. I think that the killer would be the most unexpected person in the book.

[miri]

Trevor.

Can you see him killing anyone? I can see somebody with their view obscured behind a pile of books tripping over him and going into a wall or staircase or something ;)

Ok, I can't really coz toads are too flat, but that's the point ;)

[Goldie]

The fact that one of the characters is going to have a death that would be considered "painful to write" doesn't necessarily mean that the person will be murdered.

"Murder" implies planning to kill someone specific and carrying out the plan. But murders are just one type of painful death.

I think the death that is "painful to write" is not a murder, but a case of defense or self-defense. My pet theory at the moment is that Winky, being the drunken, little distraught elf that she is, will try to "get even" with Harry for one or both of the Crouch deaths. I can just see her going after Harry. Dobby will get between them and take the hit, killing Winky in the process. There would be no "murder" unless Winky succeeded in killing Harry before she died.

It's too soon to kill off a major character. Some other possibilities, such as Lucius Malfoy, are probably slated to be nasty for the entire series. He's just too evil and too much fun to kill off now. Dobby, however, qualifies as a fan of Harry's, and is very well-loved, but since he's not as important to the plot as Hagrid or Molly, he's my leading candidate for the painful death.

[I heart Sirius]

Well they don't necessarily have to be murdered, I'm just curious about w/ whos hand it will be done by, if it is done by the hand of someone. Course they could die other ways. Hmm...I wonder. If per se they weren't killed by someone, but by something else, what would that something else be? But that's a question for another thread I spose.

[Aria Angel]

Someone asked how Harry could kill someone. They said that he would go to Azkaban if he used AK. But, I dont think that Azkaban is going to be in the hands of the ministry anymore in Book 5. Even if it is, the Aurors used killing curses on DEs, so why couldn't Harry?
Aria

[Bouncing_Ferret]

I've kind of reconsidered the whole thing, and even though I still think that Harry is a prime possibility for the "killer", I'm actually beginning to think that there won't be a killer at all.

What I mean is that the 'sacrifice' and the 'painful death' will be in the form of a suicide. I'll use Hagrid as an example, because I think it'll be him, so what if there's some sort of showdown between some DE's and Harry. Hagrid manages to save Harry by sacrificing himself and taking the DE's with him (Oh please, don't take Lucius - he CAN'T die!!!).

I'm still not sure though... In any case, it's going to be unexpected. 20 days from now we'll be slapping our foreheads and saying "Why didn't I think of that?" :D

[McKinnon02]

Hmm. About DD's body being frail, because he's old, you may want to read this excerpt from GOF. It was right after Harry had just been transported back from his duel with Voldemort: "Dumbledore bent down, and with extraordinary strength for a man so old and thin, raised Harry from the ground and set him on his feet." If Dumbledore dies in the next book, it will probably be because of an accident (because accidents happen a lot in the wizarding world) or because he's killed. It won't be natural causes.

[I heart Sirius]

I agree with that if DD dies it'll be because he's old or something, but I don't see it happening til the last book.

[Crookshanks1974]

Yeah, and not until towards the end of the last book I think.

[miri]

Sometimes people deteriorate very quickly. It's possible for DD to die of old age...

[MuggleMom]

Hi! I'm a first time poster. My daughter, who is 13, got me hooked on the Harry Potter books after the 1st movie came out. I loved the movie, so I read the book..then ALL the books...then over and over! I just love them! I am simply chomping at the bit waiting for Book #5 to see what happens next!!

Anyway, as far as who will kill whoever dies in Book 5, I don't think Harry will do the killing. My gut feeling is that someone will take a shot at Harry, either Voldemort or a Death Eater, and one of his "fans" will try to save him and be hit instead.

The most obvious choices for this fan would be Ron or Harmione, but, of course, it won't be one of them. I'm betting it will come closer to the end of the book, after Dumbledoor has filled Harry in on his parents and all the things that happened when he was a baby. I'm thinking it might be Neville who dies.

Neville's parents were destroyed, just like Harry's. He has been as much a victim of Voldemort as Harry, even if he's not famous for it. He, unlike Harry, has had to live with his parents fate right in his face his whole life. Harry only found out about his parents when he was 11. Neville visits his parents so he relives it every time.

I think there is a strengh in Neville which has not shown itself so far but will begin to emerge in book 5. I think his last, greatest, bravest act will be saving Harry's life by giving his own. Harry, of course, will feel horrible about this. Harry is the only student who knows about Neville's parents and because of that, feels a connection with him. Also, since it was Harry's fault (in Harry's mind at least) that Peter returned to Voldemort, Harry will blame himself for Neville's death even more.

[FoolOnTheHill]

I was reading through this thread in disbelief that no one had thought of what I was thinking until I got to Bouncing Ferret- The person could kill themself. With this whole sacrifice thing, who says Harry will have to sacrifice someone? My immediate thought was someone killing themself for Harry's protection. Either that, or letting themselves be killed.

If it is not suicide, I think it will be a death eater.

Although the Harry idea is interesting too... I will surely cry if Harry kills someone. It'll be one of those things where I think the writing is brilliant, yet I'll hate it. You know what I mean...

[AvidSkyRise]

most likely Voldemort or Pettigrew or another death eater but it would be kind of interesting if it was someone who we didn't expect, maybe some accident

[nezhpchik]

I have this sick feeling it will be Mrs. Weasley. (Nooo not Molly - I love her and her motherly character!) I think that Harry not letting them kill Wormtail will be a slap in the face because whose house did Peter live in as a rat for 12 years? Peter could tell Voldemort a good idea for a death to totally tramatize Harry. Mrs. Weasley is the only motherlike figure Harry has, and it also would tramatize her seven children, one of which happens to be Harry's best friend. It would be a mental hit from Volde to Harry without the fact he has risen be so obvious. :'( :devil:

[Raven]

Nah...it doesn't add up. Mrs. Weasley is based on JKR's mother, and...no...I don't see it happening. Its not impossible, but I do consider it very improbable.

[Barbara Kennedy]

Originally posted by nezhpchik (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=357893#post357893))
I have this sick feeling it will be Mrs. Weasley. (Nooo not Molly - I love her and her motherly character!) I think that Harry not letting them kill Wormtail will be a slap in the face because whose house did Peter live in as a rat for 12 years? Peter could tell Voldemort a good idea for a death to totally tramatize Harry. Mrs. Weasley is the only motherlike figure Harry has, and it also would tramatize her seven children, one of which happens to be Harry's best friend. It would be a mental hit from Volde to Harry without the fact he has risen be so obvious. :'( :devil:


Did you mean she was going to be the killer? Or were you confused about what the question was?

[Mundungus_Black]

I was just thinking that if Winky was to try to kill someone, it could be possible that Dobby would get in the way to try and stop her, making her kill Dobby. Wouldn't that be a horrible death for J.K to write about?;D

[I heart Sirius]

Originally posted by Barbara Kennedy (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=358144#post358144))
Did you mean she was going to be the killer? Or were you confused about what the question was?


I think nezhpchik means the killer will be wormtail But you know what, Mrs. Weasley isn't allowed to die though cause I said so. But if he kills anyone I'm sad to say it'll prolly be Lupin, what with that whole silver hand thing.

[ArabellaBlack]

Ah, FoolOnTheHill, I was thinking the same thing. If someone had to sacrifice their life knowingly (which would count as suicide) that would be pretty painful to write. Maybe Pettigrew will save Harry? Or he'd die so Sirius or Lupin or even Snape could live... which would be really surprising and terribly sad.
And then I'd probably end up going through a serious guilt trip over a fictional character. Hey, why not? I've already had obsessions with them.
But that's really the only way I could see suicide working in the books, if somebody sacrificed themselves. I was trying to think of other things, but they all just seemed weird.

[dogdog]

Wormtail will be the killer. And Dudley will be his victim at his boarding school right before school gets out.

Harry will be VERY upset because he and Dudley become very close in the next book (Dudley was under a curse but Harry doesn't know that til almost the very end). Dudley had sent him a letter (by owl post) and talks about the rat (worm tail and the silver paw).

But Harry was in such a hurry to go and "meet" Hermonie that he put off reading the letter until afterwards.

[Barbara Kennedy]

Dogdog, I would advise you to read the forum rules on posting before you get yourself in any trouble.
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[dogdog]

Ok. I will do that. Sorry. I just found this board. Everyone of them is different about what you can and cannot say.

I apologize.

[Barbara Kennedy]

We try to help newcomers when we can.
Welcome to the boards.
Come on in and read some of the threads. You will find that they are very entertaining even when we are trying to be very serious.

[dorcasderr]

Interesting thread. As I was reading through all the posts, I kept thinking...what we know about this death is that it will be a death of one of Harry's fans. It never says how this fan dies, whether by murder, sickness, or accident, or any other way one might die. So there may not be a murderer. In any case, I think Harry would never, as has been suggested, sacrifice anyone, even for the "greater good". I think he would sooner sacrifice himself. The books are in large part about choices and the choices we make are everything about our character. In the character we have been shown so far, Harry would not take the life of another, even, as we are told his father, James, would not have done. Though the death may turn out to be a murder, we can't jump to the conclusion that it WILL be a murder, even tough there are an overabundace of potential murderers in the plot.

[Katze]

I think it's might be an accident.

Not intentional, but a person will die because of someone's inaction. I'm not sure if perhaps Harry's unable to help, like in GoF, or perhaps Percy has something to do with this.