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Old February 3rd, 2003, 8:56 pm
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The Silver Hand

In GoF, at the end, a lot of emphasis is put on the hand that Voldemort gives pettigrew (eg. it crushes twigs to dust). I was wondering why JKR didn't just give him a normal hand, or let Voldie fix it out of the scene.
I think this may be important in later books. What are your views?


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Old February 3rd, 2003, 9:01 pm
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It may be used to kill Lupin, because he is a werewolf, and silver kills werewolves its a possibility.


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Old February 3rd, 2003, 9:02 pm
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i'm sure it will be used more importantly later in the series


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Old February 3rd, 2003, 9:20 pm
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It's described as 'silvery', not silver. I'm remaining hopeful for the sake of Mr Lupin. Besides, if Peter was in any position to kill the man he could easily crush his skull by prodding. The 'being silver' would have no dramatic effect whasoever.


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Old February 3rd, 2003, 9:30 pm
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I think the strength given was a reward for bringing his master back, nothing less.


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Old February 3rd, 2003, 9:44 pm
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I hope Wormtail won't get to harm Lupin, though that "silvery hand" doesn't give much hopes. It seems important.
If Lupin have to be harmed, let the attacker be a "proper Death Eater".


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Old February 3rd, 2003, 9:54 pm
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Voldemort wouldn't give Peter a normal hand. He wants to remind him of his sacrafice and that he's Voldemort's servant. Oh and that Voldemort "takes care" of his supporters so he won't doubt him later on.

I'm sure the silver hand is going to do some damage later on. I just don't know how.


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Old February 3rd, 2003, 10:00 pm
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I am wondering whether Voldemort made a mistake in giving Peter a hand with so much power. Peter has always been a follower who needed protection--according to Sirius. Perhaps Peter will continue to be Voldemort's lacky, but will begin bullying on his own since he can initiate fear due to the power of his hand. This could ultimately make it easier for Peter to defy Voldemort and save Harry.

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Old February 3rd, 2003, 10:05 pm
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I am wondering whether Voldemort made a mistake in giving Peter a hand with so much power. Peter has always been a follower who needed protection--according to Sirius. Perhaps Peter will continue to be Voldemort's lacky, but will begin bullying on his own since he can initiate fear due to the power of his hand. This could ultimately make it easier for Peter to defy Voldemort and save Harry.

I hope my rambling made some sense!


Of course it made sense.

Voldemort is probably supposed to think that a person with no mental strength could do very little with physical strength. But what if that bit of physical power gives Peter a mind of his own? He's supposed to be Voldemort's right hand man but his own right hand could easily take Voldemort's eyes out!

EDIT: I've just looked and it does say 'silver'. But silver is a colour as well as a metal. I just don't get why, if the purpose of his hand is for giving Lupin some silver-poisoning, does it also crush twigs into a powder just by picking them up...? That hand could kill anybody.


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Old February 3rd, 2003, 11:28 pm
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Hey SnowyOwl!
i think you absolutely nailed it! Now Peter has some power of his own he might some day wake up to find his true priorities... I like the idea of Vol getting in trouble because of something he himself created :devil:


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Old February 4th, 2003, 2:12 am
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Yeah I like your idea to SnowyOwl. Peter would have the power and courage to save Harry.


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Old February 4th, 2003, 2:18 am
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I don't really see Peter as the courageous type. Maybe at the end of the book he might be redeemed with the whole 'when one wizard saves another wizard's life' thing and decides to save Harry when Voldie really needs Peter's help (more his hand's)


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Old February 4th, 2003, 3:11 am
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Maybe Peter will kill himself swatting a mosquito on his nose....


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Old February 4th, 2003, 3:17 am
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Ouch! Poor mosquito...


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Old February 4th, 2003, 3:41 am
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lolz. I feel sorry for the mosquito.


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Old February 4th, 2003, 3:42 am
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I hope it was just a silvery hand and not real silver, because I like Lupin!
And I hope the mosquito lives and Peter dies! lol


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Old February 4th, 2003, 3:49 am
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Dear mosquito, please don't die!!


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Old February 4th, 2003, 7:48 am
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Old February 4th, 2003, 8:42 am
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May the mosquito have a deadly disease and infect Peter with it so he can't harm Lupin or any other nice people!


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Old February 4th, 2003, 8:48 am
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I think it's sort of a Luke Skywalker thing. He becomes less human, I guess, but since he's already at the dark-side, he'll grow more powerful and evil.

I believe the "silvery" hand will become more impostant later in the series, it could even save Harry's life...or not.


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Old February 4th, 2003, 10:17 am
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Hurrying to Lupin's aid before we all write him off...
Werewolves can't be killed exept by silver, right? But must people can be killed by a huge variety of things. So Lupin is still less vulnerable than all the other characters, even if someone somewhere's got a silver hand that could hurt him.


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Old February 4th, 2003, 3:11 pm
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I think that the silver hand might say something about the way that Voldemorts power works. Maybe Voldemort couldn't restore Peter's hand to a normal hand. Maybe he is so twisted that everthing he does is corrupted.

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Old February 4th, 2003, 3:27 pm
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I kind of like the idea of Wormtail being Voldemort's downfall. Sort of like...
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...Saruman and Wormtongue. lol.
On the other hand, it would make a lot more sense and be a lot more satisfying if Harry or Dumbledore finally did old V. in. Since they are his biggest enemies. Also, Wormtail is way too weak and pathetic to defeat the greatest Dark Wizard of the age. :P


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Old February 4th, 2003, 3:33 pm
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I think that the silver hand might say something about the way that Voldemorts power works. Maybe Voldemort couldn't restore Peter's hand to a normal hand. Maybe he is so twisted that everthing he does is corrupted.


Interesting thought. As if Voldemort cannot recreate things or restore them to their original state--he only has the power to destroy or to make mockeries. (Sorry, I'm too LOTR-obsessed. hehe.)
I do agree that the silver hand will be very important in a future book. JKR never just throws in details like that for no reason. I've wondered about Lupin too, but I'm in denial because I love Lupin too much to think about him dying!


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Old February 4th, 2003, 4:03 pm
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Hurrying to Lupin's aid before we all write him off...
Werewolves can't be killed exept by silver, right? But must people can be killed by a huge variety of things. So Lupin is still less vulnerable than all the other characters, even if someone somewhere's got a silver hand that could hurt him.


Somehow, I don't think JKR's werewolves are that invulnerable. If silver is a factor at all, it might just be an additional way to die. Not that I'm saying Lupin will snuff it, as I think that hand can kill anybody and therefore has no dramatic reason to be silver. So why bring silver in to it?


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Old February 4th, 2003, 4:28 pm
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I think I saw a suggestion once that it's a distinguishing mark to stop Peter trying to hide from Voldemort, or something.


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Old February 4th, 2003, 4:29 pm
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Somehow, I don't think JKR's werewolves are that invulnerable. If silver is a factor at all, it might just be an additional way to die. Not that I'm saying Lupin will snuff it, as I think that hand can kill anybody and therefore has no dramatic reason to be silver. So why bring silver in to it?


Does anyone have a copy of Fantastic Beasts to hand? What does it have to say about werewolves?

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Old February 4th, 2003, 10:10 pm
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Perhaps there is something in the hand that prevents him from turning it on Voldemort?
His loyalty will never waver again.


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Old February 4th, 2003, 11:54 pm
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All I know is that Voldie doesn't do things just for one reason. He might have a plan laid out for this hand.


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Old February 5th, 2003, 1:31 am
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I thought that werewolves, at least in popular culture, were killed by silver bullets, in particular. So, if that's the case, then Peter would have to melt his hand down or something to shoot Lupin. Maybe, though, in Rowling's wizarding world silver hands have some special power. I never actually noticed the silverness of Peter's hand. That'll teach me to read more carefully.


 



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