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hermy_weasley2 July 13th, 2007 12:16 am

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Welcome to the post-DH discussion of Bellatrix Lestrange. Previous discussion without spoilers can be found here: Bellatrix Lestrange: Character Analysis


1. Bellatrix is often seen as the most fanatical of Voldemort's supporters. Why do you think it is that she has devoted her life and efforts so wholly to Voldemort? What influences in her family and life could have led to her becoming one of the most feared Death Eaters? Could she have any romantic feelings for Voldemort?

2. What do you suppose leads Bellatrix to distrust Snape so, as seen in the HBP chapter 'Spinner's End'? Does this cast any doubts upon her complete trust in Voldemort? Does it speak of any prior relationship with Snape?

3. What kind of relationship do you think that Bellatrix had with her cousin, Sirius, for her to so easily battle against, and ultimately have a hand in killing him?

4. Bellatrix is said to have been at school and joined forces with several other Death Eaters prior to Harry's parents being at Hogwarts. What factors do you see as contributing to the turning of Bellatrix and her peers to Voldemort, and how could they have gotten away with this in the middle of Hogwarts?

5. Bellatrix seems to have a fondness for the Cruciatus curse. What do you think that this says about her personality and history?

6. What do you think of her hatred of Tonks for marrying a werewolf?

7. Do you think Belltrix could have been redeemed?

Wakkachuta July 24th, 2007 10:42 am

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I have to be honest. I don't think much of Bellatrix Lestrange. I think she is too fanatical of Voldemort. She follows his every order willingly and like a sheep. If I was Voldemort, I wouldn't like her, I would just take advantage of her at every turn.

But maybe this says something. Was she lacking in a good father-figure? Is she seeking for a father-figure in Voldemort?

I think it was rather obvious that Bellatrix and Sirius did not have a good relationship as children. She probably saw him as a blood-traitor for having such pure blood but being sorted into Gryffindor and joining the Order later.

I think that the Black family and the idea of a 'pure' blood ancestry is what influenced her to join Voldemort and the Death Eaters. But she just took it several steps further and turned it into fanaticism.

I mean, why do other girls become fanatical over rock stars? What motivates them? I may sound a little mean and dismissive of Bella, but maybe that's all it is.

Feel free to put up a counter argument and convince me otherwise :)

GobletofSecrets July 24th, 2007 12:15 pm

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Bellatrix is one of the only characters that I believe had no possible chance at redemption. She was a fanatic to the extreme! Even though she was married I still feel she had some strong romantic or idol like feeling towards LV. From the look on is face when she died he may have felt the same way.

Bellatrix, may also be a product of her environment. A family that was so into the Dark Arts probably had some very interesting disipline techiques. Especially since she grew up in a time where physical punishment such as beatings where normal.

Potterphiliac July 24th, 2007 8:48 pm

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1. Bellatrix is often seen as the most fanatical of Voldemort's supporters. Why do you think it is that she has devoted her life and efforts so wholly to Voldemort? What influences in her family and life could have led to her becoming one of the most feared Death Eaters? Could she have any romantic feelings for Voldemort?

I hate to make her sound one-dimensional but I think this was a case of a character simply not being right in the head, i.e., she was off her rocker, deranged. It was noted about Voldemort's/Tom Riddle's maternal family that they had a history of mental instability and hostility. Perhaps the inbreeding in Bellatrix's family created some mental instability in her, as well. Add to her instability a family bias about being pure-blooded and you've got a recipe for a hateful personality. I don't think her feelings towards Voldemort romantic simply because I don't think she was capable of having those kinds of feelings. She was certainly sycophantic and I'm sure this craving for his approval felt like something approaching 'romantic' feelings for her.


2. What do you suppose leads Bellatrix to distrust Snape so, as seen in the HBP chapter 'Spinner's End'? Does this cast any doubts upon her complete trust in Voldemort? Does it speak of any prior relationship with Snape?

Well, Bellatrix expressed her loyalty towards Voldemort in loud and over-the-top ways. There was nothing subtle about her. I don't think she had the capacity for distinguishing subtle motives; she only saw black/white. Certainly, she second-guessed Voldemort as it relates to his trust in Snape. Frankly, I think Bellatrix trusted no one.

3. What kind of relationship do you think that Bellatrix had with her cousin, Sirius, for her to so easily battle against, and ultimately have a hand in killing him?

Again, she's a black/white person with a single-minded bias about purebloods. Sirius represented a challenge to her umm family values and there could be no "agreeing to disagree" impasse with her. You were either on her (Death Eater's) side or you were against her. As they were related, she would have wanted to disavow any similarities whatsoever. Hate is a powerful and corrosive feeling; the fact that they were cousins would have had no impact on her.

Also, the mindset that supports feeling superior to others is one that also rationalizes the inferiority of others. The more distance you put between yourself and others, the easier it becomes to desensitize yourself to their humanity, even to desensitize yourself from your own humanity. Then it's not such a big step to act inhumanely.

4. Bellatrix is said to have been at school and joined forces with several other Death Eaters prior to Harry's parents being at Hogwarts. What factors do you see as contributing to the turning of Bellatrix and her peers to Voldemort, and how could they have gotten away with this in the middle of Hogwarts?

She was raised with a belief system that supported the idea that she (and her family) were superior to other wizards/witches. Voldemort only tapped into that bias. The whole House structure supports rivalries so it would not have been much of a stretch to ingrain and nurture feelings of rivalry.

5. Bellatrix seems to have a fondness for the Cruciatus curse. What do you think that this says about her personality and history?

Again, she's an unstable personality and completely lacking in pathos. No feelings for the other (compassion), incapable of relating to someone else's feelings (empathy) and incapable of processing or synthesizing someone else's feelings (sympathy). Our feelings for an-other often restrain us from acting badly towards another. Take away that feeling and you take away restraint.

6. What do you think of her hatred of Tonks for marrying a werewolf?

I think it's entirely consistent with her character. She would have hated Tonks all the more for 'staining' the family tree with an 'inferior' being.

7. Do you think Belltrix could have been redeemed?

No. I think she was deranged. Perhaps with heavy medication she might have been pacified, though.

sickoftv July 26th, 2007 4:39 am

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Based on the soul-tearing effects of Avada Kedavra upon its caster, I would speculate that the other Unforgivables have some sort of negative effects on the witch or wizard using them. Perhaps her fondness of the cruciatus curse unhinged her as surely as its aplication broke the Longbottoms.

horcrux4 July 26th, 2007 6:43 am

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Originally Posted by sickoftv (Post 4653910)
Based on the soul-tearing effects of Avada Kedavra upon its caster, I would speculate that the other Unforgivables have some sort of negative effects on the witch or wizard using them. Perhaps her fondness of the cruciatus curse unhinged her as surely as its aplication broke the Longbottoms.

Now, that's something I'd not thought of! Good point! :tu:

SecretKeeper42 July 27th, 2007 2:09 am

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1. Bellatrix is often seen as the most fanatical of Voldemort's supporters. Why do you think it is that she has devoted her life and efforts so wholly to Voldemort? What influences in her family and life could have led to her becoming one of the most feared Death Eaters? Could she have any romantic feelings for Voldemort?

Bellatrix shows a clear lust for power, and the sort of power she prefers is personal domination over other people. This is the root of her clear sexual (I won't call it romantic) attraction to Voldemort. Power is her god, and Voldemort exemplifies her idea of power, so she wants him. I suspect she married her husband, Rodolphus, for his pure blood... she certainly never shows any signs of loving, or even liking him. The fact that they have no children and her attitude of sacrificing children to her Dark Lord speaks volumes.
2. What do you suppose leads Bellatrix to distrust Snape so, as seen in the HBP chapter 'Spinner's End'? Does this cast any doubts upon her complete trust in Voldemort? Does it speak of any prior relationship with Snape?

Given the ease with Snape parries her accusations, I believe the root of this is jealousy over Snape's status as one of Voldemort's favorites. She is somewhat out of favor after the Ministry, and goes looking for a way to diminish a man who stands between her and her Master. I suspect the relationship they had at school was not as cordial as those Snape had with other Death Eaters. Snape is a half-blood, and Bellatrix is a Black, and clearly believes she deserves to be Voldemort's queen, or some such. She sees him as innately less worthy than she. Ironically, as we find out she's right. Her lack of complete trust in Voldemort shows that in the end she's just as selfish as any other Death Eater, out for herself first.

3. What kind of relationship do you think that Bellatrix had with her cousin, Sirius, for her to so easily battle against, and ultimately have a hand in killing him?

He "betrayed" their pure blood family, and obviously they hatred each other. She considers him to be a stain on her pure-blood status, and as such must be eliminated. She does the same later with 'Dora Tonks after Tonks marries Lupin, and would doubtlessly go after her sister Andromeda if she got the chance.

4. Bellatrix is said to have been at school and joined forces with several other Death Eaters prior to Harry's parents being at Hogwarts. What factors do you see as contributing to the turning of Bellatrix and her peers to Voldemort, and how could they have gotten away with this in the middle of Hogwarts?

She bought into the pure-blood ideology, and basically made it her religion. I doubt she was able to act on it very much while she was at Hogwarts, but there's no doubt she joined the Death Eaters as soon as she could.

5. Bellatrix seems to have a fondness for the Cruciatus curse. What do you think that this says about her personality and history?

She's a sadist. I think it goes to her lust for power and personal domination. She obviously enjoys the ability to make her enemies twitch and scream.

6. What do you think of her hatred of Tonks for marrying a werewolf?

See question #3. She sees it as a personal insult and a liability to her blood purity.

7. Do you think Belltrix could have been redeemed?

Very little chance. She truly enjoys her acts of depravity, and would be too proud to give that up. Additionally, the only person whom she seems to have a smidge of real human caring for is her sister. No, if 13 years in Azkaban didn't break her, I doubt she has the ability to turn over a new leaf.

DBear August 5th, 2007 4:22 am

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Bellatrix IMO was completely insane. Her evil is different from Voldemort's, who was absolutely sober and calculating. He was by far the more culpable. Bellatrix wanted to be Voldemort's favorite, and resented anyone taking that role, which would include Severus. One should note that according to the timeline, Bellatrix never went to school with Severus, as her birth year according to the Black Family tree is 1953. Severus' birth date has been confirmed by Jo as January 9, and we know from the Godric's Hollow chapter that the birth year is 1960.

Pigleto972001 August 5th, 2007 5:14 am

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bellatrix is a perfect match for voldie in that neither one of them had any redeemable qualities. that she would be willing to sacrifice any children to the service of the dark lord shows the difference between her and narcissa. i agree that she would have gone after andromeda if given the chance. her death was definitely fitting because she scorned family ties by killing her cousin and her niece...and ultimately lost to molly who was all about family.

i thought it was interesting that andromeda apparently resembles bellatrix, enough to fool harry. it would be cool if they got helena bonham carter to play andromeda too, just different enough to highlight the difference between the sisters.

and i'm definitely looking forward to her acting in the scene where hermione is polyjuiced as bellatrix!

Chris August 5th, 2007 5:36 am

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Interesting HP lexicon about the disagreement in canon between Snape's comments and the Black family tree:
http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/exp-ages.html
Basically, JK and math don't mix, and the Black family tree appears to be an example of this. So it's up in the air whether Snape and Bella overlapped.

Overlapping Snape and bella aside...
Agreed that her brand of loyalty is basically insanity. She's fanatical about Voldemort, and she'd do anything in his service and for his praise / approval. That creates a scary person...she enjoyed the evil that she did; as opposed to some of the DE's, who took no enjoyment in some of their work.

Rell August 5th, 2007 6:18 am

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Agreed that her brand of loyalty is basically insanity. She's fanatical about Voldemort, and she'd do anything in his service and for his praise / approval. That creates a scary person...she enjoyed the evil that she did; as opposed to some of the DE's, who took no enjoyment in some of their work.

She's very scary, because she's not afraid to lose anything except for Voldemort's disaproval. So she'll do anything it takes to maintain approval. Voldemort seems to have picked up on this and takes advantage of her loyalty to sickening proportions - I hated watching them interact. Because as much as I hate Bellatrix, I also hated to see how Voldemort knew exactly how to get to her, and how to humiliate her into action.

crowheart August 5th, 2007 6:33 am

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I think that Bellatrix never really loved her husband, though she did love Voldemort. I would hardly call it pure, though, as I think a large part of it was her love for power and for a 'cleansed' world.

horcrux4 August 5th, 2007 6:55 pm

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Yes, I agree that there is no love in Bellatrix. Passion yes, she is a very passionate woman, but it's love of power and the attraction of evil that seems to motivate her.

I also agree with the earlier post by Pigleto972001, that it's really fitting that Bella who had no real sense of family - she killed 2 of them at any rate - was taken down by Molly in defence of her family. Molly's love for her children was something Bella just couldn't compete with in the end. Molly was fighting for something fundamentally important to her, Bella was just fighting for the pleasure of it.

padfootgrl August 5th, 2007 7:29 pm

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1. Bellatrix is often seen as the most fanatical of Voldemort's supporters. Why do you think it is that she has devoted her life and efforts so wholly to Voldemort? What influences in her family and life could have led to her becoming one of the most feared Death Eaters? Could she have any romantic feelings for Voldemort?

No, I highly doubt she loved Voldemort in a romantic way, but I think she was more in love with his motives and his "plans" for the wizarding world. I also think that maybe part of her support for Voldemort started as a way to prove herself worthy of the surname Black, and maybe to develop a clear, distinct difference from Sirius? I think she accepted anything that would discern her from him.

5. Bellatrix seems to have a fondness for the Cruciatus curse. What do you think that this says about her personality and history?

I believe that maybe in her earlier years she felt alone and isolated and maybe her love for the Cruciatus curse was an extremely cruel way for her to get revenge?

NHisSteps August 5th, 2007 10:55 pm

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I can't remember if I read this in one of the books... or an interview, but...

Bellatrix was already seen as a bit unstable, but all of those years with the dementors resulted in her being fundamentally insane.

Emperor_Gestahl August 6th, 2007 10:09 am

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Yes, it's debateable whether it was Azkaban that drove her insane or whether she was crazy to begin with.

Roxas_13 August 6th, 2007 3:22 pm

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I think that she was a nut ever since birth. Azkaban didn't help much either.

Chris August 6th, 2007 4:47 pm

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I believe her borderline insanity and obsessive tendencies towards Voldemort started pre-Azkaban (as did her love of "crucio"). She went overboard at the Longbottoms and loved it, so that can't be considered "normal".

Azkaban probably removed the shreds of normalcy from her, and left her the raving obsessive lunatic we saw in the last three books. Azkaban didn't remove her magical skill, though, so it left a very dangerous witch.

I'm not sure she was obsessive and insane from birth - the same parents turned out Andromeda and Narcissa. I think she developed it over time, probably starting when she hit Hogwarts and was sent to Slytherin.

rhhgrt August 8th, 2007 2:04 am

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1. Bellatrix is often seen as the most fanatical of Voldemort's supporters. Why do you think it is that she has devoted her life and efforts so wholly to Voldemort? What influences in her family and life could have led to her becoming one of the most feared Death Eaters? Could she have any romantic feelings for Voldemort?
I believe that she was a sociopath with a superiority complex who was also an extremist. The type of family she grew up in caused her to become the psychotic sadist we all know and love/hate (or love to hate).
I think that she definitely harbored romantic feelings for Voldemort (and I thought this before the Live Chat).

2. What do you suppose leads Bellatrix to distrust Snape so, as seen in the HBP chapter 'Spinner's End'? Does this cast any doubts upon her complete trust in Voldemort? Does it speak of any prior relationship with Snape?
I just think that she hated the fact that Voldemort trusted Snape more than her.

3. What kind of relationship do you think that Bellatrix had with her cousin, Sirius, for her to so easily battle against, and ultimately have a hand in killing him?
I think that they were very close growing up. If you look at them closely, they have similar "all or nothing" mind sets; there are no shades of gray with these two. I believe that if Sirius had been put into Slytherin he would have been just as psychotic a Death Eater as Bella, and if Bella had been put into Gryffindor she would have turned out almost exactly like Sirius (but without the Azkaban thing).

4. Bellatrix is said to have been at school and joined forces with several other Death Eaters prior to Harry's parents being at Hogwarts. What factors do you see as contributing to the turning of Bellatrix and her peers to Voldemort, and how could they have gotten away with this in the middle of Hogwarts?
I sort of got the impression that the social order of Hogwarts was much different in back story land than it is in Harry's era. Purebloods seemed to have had much more of a hold over things back then, so I assume that Bella and co's parents could have bribed/talked their way out if their kid's getting in serious trouble.

5. Bellatrix seems to have a fondness for the Cruciatus curse. What do you think that this says about her personality and history?
It says that she's a sociopathic sadist.

6. What do you think of her hatred of Tonks for marrying a werewolf?
She hates Tonks for being Andromeda's daughter, not because she married a werewolf.

7. Do you think Belltrix could have been redeemed?
No. Some characters are pure evil.

Beatifically August 8th, 2007 4:10 am

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5. Bellatrix seems to have a fondness for the Cruciatus curse. What do you think that this says about her personality and history?
She usually uses the Cruciatus curse on those who fight against Voldemort's ideas or have "dirty blood." To her, she may see these people as an obstacle that's in the way of how the world really should be. By causing those people pain, she may believe that the people are paying their price for ruining the Wizarding World. A really disgusting belief, but that's my only thought on why she would do such acts....

6. What do you think of her hatred of Tonks for marrying a werewolf?

Well, she has inherited the pureblood mania, so that's one factor. I think another reason for her wanting to kill Tonks so badly is because of how she was ridiculed . She had an obsessive love with Voldemort and Tonks was ruined her image.

harrypotter777 August 16th, 2007 11:42 pm

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I've always thought that Bellatrix was a fascinating character.

biscuitsforall August 21st, 2007 7:43 am

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Bellatrix is so interesting because she is so evil. I always wondered why she trusted Voldemort so much and, as she did, how come she married rudolphs, who, lets be honest, did seem to tail off a bit. I think her upbringing has a lot to do with it, but I always thought she was one of the most interesting characters to study, aven if she is rather repulsive.

somerandom592 August 21st, 2007 8:08 am

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Bellatrix is pretty cool, she's probably my favourite evil character (but damn her, she went and killed my favourite character! Sirius, I mean...not Dobby, or Lupin, or Tonks -yeah, apparently it was her who killed LUpin and Tonks, I know!- that freak, or ***** in mrs.weasleys words, lol).

I'm still a little puzzled at why she went and married rodolphus, because if I was him I'd be feeling really jealous that she loved Voldemort more.

Maybe it was just that Bellatrix liked the last name "Lestrange" better than "Black"?

Chris August 27th, 2007 3:28 am

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I think Bella married Rodolphus because she knew Voldemort would never marry, so she made a "pureblood" marraige to be proper. I don't think her heart was ever in her relationship. She didn't hate Rodolphus, but it wasn't like Lily and James, for instance.

Partly because of lack of backstory, Bella comes off as more "evil" to me than even Voldemort. We the reader at least know why Voldy became Voldy. It's not forgivable, but we know why. But we don't know why Bella became Bella. We only get "kid Bella Black" a couple times, and nothing about her household. We do know her sisters turned out different, so that in a way suggests she could have turned out different, too.

Rell August 27th, 2007 4:00 am

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I think Bella married Rodolphus because she knew Voldemort would never marry, so she made a "pureblood" marraige to be proper. I don't think her heart was ever in her relationship. She didn't hate Rodolphus, but it wasn't like Lily and James, for instance.

Bellatrix seemed to like doing what was expected of her. Marrying a pure blood was expected, and becoming a Death Eater would give her that same structure - having set expectations. She totally set her identity around Voldemort, and couldn't handle his absence and that lack of expectation after he was gone. I think that on some subconscious level, Bellatrix actually wanted to go to Azkaban, because then her very existence would always be fulfilling this expectation of Voldemort no matter if he did or didn't come back.

Chris August 27th, 2007 6:24 pm

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Bellatrix seemed to like doing what was expected of her. Marrying a pure blood was expected, and becoming a Death Eater would give her that same structure - having set expectations. She totally set her identity around Voldemort, and couldn't handle his absence and that lack of expectation after he was gone. I think that on some subconscious level, Bellatrix actually wanted to go to Azkaban, because then her very existence would always be fulfilling this expectation of Voldemort no matter if he did or didn't come back.

Agreed - I hadn't made the connection that Bella may have wanted to go to Azkaban on one level because it'd prove her devotion. Snape even sort of called her out on this in Spinner's End. I'm sure she didn't enjoy it, but she knew her devotion would be rewarded. She said so to Crouch prior to entering Azkaban, and she said so to Snape after leaving. I guess her way of dealing with Azkaban was her steadfast belief that Voldy would come back.

Drusilla August 27th, 2007 6:28 pm

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Bellatrix is already a bit mad when she's sent down to Azkaban....and prison, as we can see, does nothing for her sanity. I think she absorbed the worst of the Black family's prejudices, but at least some of that was helped along by her own nature- her sisters have very different reactions to the same dogma (Andromeda flouted it, Narcissa abandoned it when it threatened her son).

hufflepina August 29th, 2007 3:44 am

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6. What do you think of her hatred of Tonks for marrying a werewolf?
i think she not know, and she didn´t have feelings about her niece a tonks for her, tonks was only a other halfblood to kill

Drusilla August 29th, 2007 7:54 am

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But she was angrier about it because Tonks was her sister's daughter..

Chris August 29th, 2007 1:51 pm

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She did NOT like Voldemort cracking jokes at her family's expense in the opening chapter. She seemed almost desparate to remind him that she was his most deserving student, etc.

The 8th Weasley August 29th, 2007 7:48 pm

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Does anyone think that maybe the relationship between Bellatrix/Voldemort was supposed to be a twisted mirror version of the relationship between Dumbledore/McGonagal?

Blackblossom August 30th, 2007 3:32 am

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Does anyone think that maybe the relationship between Bellatrix/Voldemort was supposed to be a twisted mirror version of the relationship between Dumbledore/McGonagal?

That's a very interesting comparison... I could see it being that way. Bella and McGonagal are very much alike with how loyal they are to their respective leader. But was McGonagal ever in love with Dumbledore as Bella is with Voldemort?

Chris August 30th, 2007 3:35 am

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That's a very interesting comparison... I could see it being that way. Bella and McGonagal are very much alike with how loyal they are to their respective leader. But was McGonagal ever in love with Dumbledore as Bella is with Voldemort?

I think MM --> DD is respect and admiration, but not adolation or obsession. Bella --> Voldy is obsession and adolation. If they were set up as a pair it's a very twisted pair...to be honest I hadn't ever thought about that til reading the original posted idea. I don't tend to favor it myself...MM never called herself "DD's most devoted servant" or anything like that.

mariebeth83 August 30th, 2007 4:45 am

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As an evil character I think that Bellatrix was nearly more evil than Voldemort. For Voldemort emotions just didn't come into it at all, he just killed.

It always seemed to me that Belletrix killed for the fun of it, which is in a way a lot scarier than someone killing with no emotion.

Drusilla August 30th, 2007 11:57 am

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It's as Dumbledore says- she likes to play with her food before she eats it. I'm guessing nearly fifteen years spent unable to do that in Azkaban didn't help the old mental balance any..

mariebeth83 August 31st, 2007 12:11 am

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It's as Dumbledore says- she likes to play with her food before she eats it. I'm guessing nearly fifteen years spent unable to do that in Azkaban didn't help the old mental balance any..

She probably didn't have much mental balance anyway. I would have liked to see her get the same treatment as she gave Neville's parents though - even if she is insane already.

Voldemorts8thHorcrux August 31st, 2007 12:56 am

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I have to be honest. I don't think much of Bellatrix Lestrange. I think she is too fanatical of Voldemort. She follows his every order willingly and like a sheep. If I was Voldemort, I wouldn't like her, I would just take advantage of her at every turn.

But maybe this says something. Was she lacking in a good father-figure? Is she seeking for a father-figure in Voldemort?

I think it was rather obvious that Bellatrix and Sirius did not have a good relationship as children. She probably saw him as a blood-traitor for having such pure blood but being sorted into Gryffindor and joining the Order later.

I think that the Black family and the idea of a 'pure' blood ancestry is what influenced her to join Voldemort and the Death Eaters. But she just took it several steps further and turned it into fanaticism.

I mean, why do other girls become fanatical over rock stars? What motivates them? I may sound a little mean and dismissive of Bella, but maybe that's all it is.

Feel free to put up a counter argument and convince me otherwise :)

Well, I wouldn't know much about the rock star thing, since I've never done that, but I would have to say the main reason would be that they look "hot" or "handsome" or whatever. Anyways, adult Voldemort doesn't look good.

I would have to say that Bellatrix hates Muggleborns a lot and Voldemort is like an idol or symbol of the pure blood mania, so maybe that's why.

Sly_Lady August 31st, 2007 12:03 pm

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Originally Posted by Emperor_Gestahl (Post 4695938)
Yes, it's debateable whether it was Azkaban that drove her insane or whether she was crazy to begin with.

You're right, it is debatable. Azkaban has to be devastating to mental health. On the other hand, I can't forget that the black family is "toujours pur." Centuries of inbreeding can't have done her any good. All the circumstances of her life, including her odd infatuation with a red-eyed megalomaniac, created a truly horrifying character.

lil_snuffles August 31st, 2007 3:33 pm

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1. Bellatrix is often seen as the most fanatical of Voldemort's supporters. Why do you think it is that she has devoted her life and efforts so wholly to Voldemort? What influences in her family and life could have led to her becoming one of the most feared Death Eaters? Could she have any romantic feelings for Voldemort?
Knowing the family that she had grown up with, who, most likely, were all slytherins, might have had an impact on who she became. The reason why she devoted her entire life to follow Voldemort was because she probably wanted to prove herself. She wanted to show that, yes she is a woman (I don't think there are any other female death eaters, are there?), she can be strong. No I don't think she had feeling for Voldemort.

2. What do you suppose leads Bellatrix to distrust Snape so, as seen in the HBP chapter 'Spinner's End'? Does this cast any doubts upon her complete trust in Voldemort? Does it speak of any prior relationship with Snape?
She hated the fact that she was trusted as much as Snape was when it came to Voldemort.

3. What kind of relationship do you think that Bellatrix had with her cousin, Sirius, for her to so easily battle against, and ultimately have a hand in killing him?
Well for her to kill her own blood, she and Sirius obviously never got along. Or, if they did, they grew apart once she became a Death Eater.

5. Bellatrix seems to have a fondness for the Cruciatus curse. What do you think that this says about her personality and history?
She likes causing other pain, especially when it comes down to those who don't follow Voldemort. She also causes pain to people that are "blood traiters" or "muggleborn."

6. What do you think of her hatred of Tonks for marrying a werewolf?
Like someone said a couple posts before, she hated Tonks for being Andromeda's daughter.

7. Do you think Belltrix could have been redeemed?
I don't think so.

xFluerDelacourx September 1st, 2007 3:57 pm

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1. Bellatrix is often seen as the most fanatical of Voldemort's supporters. Why do you think it is that she has devoted her life and efforts so wholly to Voldemort? What influences in her family and life could have led to her becoming one of the most feared Death Eaters? Could she have any romantic feelings for Voldemort?
Maybe she just wanted to prove herself either because she's a woman (there is another female death eater by the way, Alecto Carrow) or she was obessed with pureblood supremacy. And she did come from the Black family.
Jo recently said in a interview that her true love was Voldemort, not Rodophus(sp?).


2. What do you suppose leads Bellatrix to distrust Snape so, as seen in the HBP chapter 'Spinner's End'? Does this cast any doubts upon her complete trust in Voldemort? Does it speak of any prior relationship with Snape?
She could have known about his friendship with Lily at school.
I think she very much trusted Voldemort but maybe on this one thing she doubted him or maybe she was jealous of the trust Voldemort had for Snape.


3. What kind of relationship do you think that Bellatrix had with her cousin, Sirius, for her to so easily battle against, and ultimately have a hand in killing him?
Bellatrix was most likely in Slytherin and we know that Sirius was in Gryffindor and later joined the order so thats probaly why she hated him.

4. Bellatrix is said to have been at school and joined forces with several other Death Eaters prior to Harry's parents being at Hogwarts. What factors do you see as contributing to the turning of Bellatrix and her peers to Voldemort, and how could they have gotten away with this in the middle of Hogwarts?
Voldemort was just starting to rise to power right before Harry's parents came to Hogwarts so Bellatrix could have been in her sixth or seventh year. Maybe he visited all the dark pureblood families and Bellatrix joined up that way.

5. Bellatrix seems to have a fondness for the Cruciatus curse. What do you think that this says about her personality and history?
She enjoyed causing pain, especially to muggleborns. Not only that but she came from a fanatical pureblood that hated anyone who wasn't like them.

6. What do you think of her hatred of Tonks for marrying a werewolf?
Like I said above she hated anyone who wasn't pureblood. And she could easily have hated Tonks for being Andromeda's daughter.

7. Do you think Belltrix could have been redeemed?
No, she was to obessed with pureblood supremacy...

Moriath September 1st, 2007 9:51 pm

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RemusLupinFan September 11th, 2007 11:05 pm

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b]1. Bellatrix is often seen as the most fanatical of Voldemort's supporters. Why do you think it is that she has devoted her life and efforts so wholly to Voldemort? What influences in her family and life could have led to her becoming one of the most feared Death Eaters? Could she have any romantic feelings for Voldemort?[/b]
Bellatrix seems a bit unstable if you ask me - a bit psychotic like Voldemort. I think she must have just had a very strong belief in Voldemort's ideals, and then later became obsessed with them and with Voldemort. I'm sure her family growing up must have taught her many of those ideals, so that must have influenced her worldview. As for romance with Voldemort, it's possible, but I think it more likely that she was just obsessed with him.

2. What do you suppose leads Bellatrix to distrust Snape so, as seen in the HBP chapter 'Spinner's End'? Does this cast any doubts upon her complete trust in Voldemort? Does it speak of any prior relationship with Snape?
Perhaps it could have to do, in part, with her knowledge of occlumency. Maybe she was getting some vibes from Snape when his guard was lowered. Or perhaps she wanted a reason to doubt him because she was jealous of his apparent high position within Death Eater ranks. I don't think she had any prior relationship to Snape other than being a fellow Death Eater with him.

3. What kind of relationship do you think that Bellatrix had with her cousin, Sirius, for her to so easily battle against, and ultimately have a hand in killing him?
Sirius was the 'black sheep' of the family, if you will. I can imagine that they two of them fought constantly and didn't ever get along. This likely fostered a lot of hatred between the two of them, which could explain their duel in the DoM.

4. Bellatrix is said to have been at school and joined forces with several other Death Eaters prior to Harry's parents being at Hogwarts. What factors do you see as contributing to the turning of Bellatrix and her peers to Voldemort, and how could they have gotten away with this in the middle of Hogwarts?
The need for power and attention and the need to belong to an influential organization is likely what drew people to Voldemort's following. As for how they got away with it at school - I'm guessing they kept it as discreet as they could, not performing any dark magic in the corridors. Dumbledore likely suspected something, but there may not have been anything he could do since he wasn't the Headmaster at that point and because he likely only had suspicions and hunches rather than hard proof.

5. Bellatrix seems to have a fondness for the Cruciatus curse. What do you think that this says about her personality and history?
I think it demonstrates that she's a violent and often sadistic person. She has a liking for causing pain and suffering.

6. What do you think of her hatred of Tonks for marrying a werewolf?
Typical of an intolerant Death Eater. She likely sees werewolves as subhuman. And I think she might have been jealous of Tonks' happiness with Remus.

7. Do you think Belltrix could have been redeemed?
I'm leaning towards 'no' on that one. She seemed too far gone to be redeemed (though not as far gone as Voldemort).

horcrux4 September 16th, 2007 2:57 am

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One thing we have to admit about Bella though- she was an excellent witch, in the sense of being very skilled. There wasn't much on the Dark Magic side she couldn't achieve. Her downfall was really her impetuousness - she could have used a bit of Lucius' cool. Interesting character. Thoroughly nasty, but interesting.

Wright1771 September 20th, 2007 9:22 am

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Yes, she certainly knew her craft.In Voldemort, she saw ultimate power, (as long as she stayed in his good books) and a trust from him, saving her from the MoM in the end of Phoenix. You say her hatred for Tonks, when she tried to kill her in the flight from the Dursleys.
One question, is she a loony.............yes, completely around the twist, but that is what makes her such a wonderful character.

Chris September 29th, 2007 4:21 pm

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*Wakes up sleepy Bella thread

How did Bella view her family (the Blacks)?

My own take is that she viewed it as her duty to make the Blacks into the perfect "pureblood" family. I think it explains both her outburst in "The Dark Lord Ascending" and her seeking out of Tonks (and vice-versa).

purplehawk September 29th, 2007 4:43 pm

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1. Bellatrix is often seen as the most fanatical of Voldemort's supporters. Why do you think it is that she has devoted her life and efforts so wholly to Voldemort? What influences in her family and life could have led to her becoming one of the most feared Death Eaters? Could she have any romantic feelings for Voldemort?

Oh, yeah... she was in love with him. I don't think there's much question about that. I don't know what Rodolphus was up to when she "learned the dark arts from him (Voldemort)."


2. What do you suppose leads Bellatrix to distrust Snape so, as seen in the HBP chapter 'Spinner's End'? Does this cast any doubts upon her complete trust in Voldemort? Does it speak of any prior relationship with Snape?

Jealousy.

3. What kind of relationship do you think that Bellatrix had with her cousin, Sirius, for her to so easily battle against, and ultimately have a hand in killing him?

She probably saw him as a blood traitor.


4. Bellatrix is said to have been at school and joined forces with several other Death Eaters prior to Harry's parents being at Hogwarts. What factors do you see as contributing to the turning of Bellatrix and her peers to Voldemort, and how could they have gotten away with this in the middle of Hogwarts?

Not prior to Lily and James being at Hogwarts. Sirius described Snape as belonging to a clique that included Bellatrix and Rodolphus.


5. Bellatrix seems to have a fondness for the Cruciatus curse. What do you think that this says about her personality and history?

That she was a cruel woman and enjoyed the sufferings of others, particularly when she was causing the suffering.


6. What do you think of her hatred of Tonks for marrying a werewolf?

It appears not to have bothered her at all until Voldemort publicly humiliated her about it.


7. Do you think Belltrix could have been redeemed?

Nope. She was way too far gone for that.

LoveWeasleys September 29th, 2007 5:57 pm

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Originally Posted by chparadise (Post 4794438)
My own take is that she viewed it as her duty to make the Blacks into the perfect "pureblood" family. I think it explains both her outburst in "The Dark Lord Ascending" and her seeking out of Tonks (and vice-versa).

I couldn't agree more with this. I think she was immensely proud in her pureblood line as was Sirius' mother. To have the tree tainted by the infusion of Muggle blood in any way could not be tolerated for her. While Mrs. Black blasted them off the tree, Bella (the ever fundamentalist) went for their lives.

To have Muggle blood on her tree made her look bad as we seen in "The Dark Lord Ascending" Voldy knows just the right cord with her to strike. When Voldy asks her to "prune" her tree of the "unhealthy" parts...she replies with no hesitation:

The Dark Lord Ascending
"Yes, my Lord," whispered Bellatrix, and her eyes swam with tears of gratitude again, "At first chance!"


I bolded the "tears of gratitude" because it touches at the essence of her character. She was happy and grateful not only to serve the Dark Lord, but to serve him by killing her family! Even if she never saw them as family...they were.

CleanSweepSeven October 1st, 2007 2:46 am

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I think Bellatrix was the most evil character in the book, second to Voldemort. She just loved to torture.

I liked that she loved Voldemort. Bellatrix loving Voldemort didn't make either of them any less evil. It was another example of how love doesn't always save the day.(Snape loving Lily didn't work out too well)

Kharina October 2nd, 2007 9:28 pm

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1. Bellatrix is often seen as the most fanatical of Voldemort's supporters. Why do you think it is that she has devoted her life and efforts so wholly to Voldemort? What influences in her family and life could have led to her becoming one of the most feared Death Eaters? Could she have any romantic feelings for Voldemort?

2. What do you suppose leads Bellatrix to distrust Snape so, as seen in the HBP chapter 'Spinner's End'? Does this cast any doubts upon her complete trust in Voldemort? Does it speak of any prior relationship with Snape?

3. What kind of relationship do you think that Bellatrix had with her cousin, Sirius, for her to so easily battle against, and ultimately have a hand in killing him?

4. Bellatrix is said to have been at school and joined forces with several other Death Eaters prior to Harry's parents being at Hogwarts. What factors do you see as contributing to the turning of Bellatrix and her peers to Voldemort, and how could they have gotten away with this in the middle of Hogwarts?

5. Bellatrix seems to have a fondness for the Cruciatus curse. What do you think that this says about her personality and history?

6. What do you think of her hatred of Tonks for marrying a werewolf?

7. Do you think Belltrix could have been redeemed?
1. It seems to me obvious from Deathly Hallows that Bellatrix had some kind of 'romantic' feelings towards Voldemort, although I'm not entirely sure romantic is the right word: it suggests a rather more positive and wholesome kind of relationship. Bellatrix clearly idolises Voldemort: it isn't love in the traditional sense of the word, but I would hesitate to say it isn't love at all. Certainly Voldemort takes every advantage of this feeling and is very cruel in his abuses of it, yet Bellatrix seems to come crawling back every time.

The other two parts to this question are rather more difficult as we know very little information about Bellatrix prior to her torture of the Longbottoms. Of course, she was raised in a family obsessed with pureblood supremacy, and where violence was accepted and even encouraged (think of the beheading house elves tradition). But Andromeda, Sirius, Regulus and Narcissa were also raised in a similar environment. I think "evil from birth" is a poor argument: Bellatrix may have had certain traits, such as a quick temper or a predisposition to mental instability, from birth or a very young age, but it cannot solely account for the character we see in the series.

Perhaps Andromeda and Sirius leaving the family helped to turn her against "Mudbloods" and "blood traitors" even further: it seems to be consistent for Bellatrix that she would blame Ted and the Marauders, particularly James, for taking her family away from her. In OOTP, she mentions Voldemort taught her the Dark Arts himself: perhaps Voldemort marked her out and recruited her at a young age. This statement also seems to suggest she did not have an interest in the Dark Arts, and study it, from childhood as Snape did. And also she, at some point, fell in 'love' (for want of a more descriptive term) with him, which may have partly caused the fanaticism we see today.

2. I think this has the relatively simple answer of her being envious of Snape overtaking her in terms of Voldemort's favour. However, although it is unlikely Snape and Bella were at Hogwarts together for any significant period, she may have heard from Narcissa about Snape's friendship with Lily. Kindness towards a Muggle-born, however long ago it was, was unlikely to help Bellatrix's opinion of Snape.

3. That's difficult. I'm not entirely convinced killing Sirius was intentional, but that's a whole new discussion. Bellatrix and Sirius are of course quite similar in character, although they have chosen totally opposing sides. This could have made them closer in childhood, but is more likely, IMO, to have contributed to a more difficult relationship: in my experience, it's rare to get along well with someone very similar to you. However, I still think Bellatrix would have keenly felt Sirius' 'betrayal' by being sorted into Gryffindor and ultimately running away.

4. Well, Draco manages to get away with being a Death Eater and bringing Death Eaters into the school for an attempted assassination of the Headmaster, and Voldemort himself manages to open the Chamber of Secrets and kill someone without suffering any punishment, so I'm sure Bellatrix and her peers will have managed somehow, although I do envision Bellatrix as blundering into a lot more trouble than Voldemort (sneaky and calculating isn't really her style).

I think some of her peers may have had parents or relations who were Death Eaters (a Lestrange is mentioned as being in a group of Voldemort's 'friends' during Slughorn's memory in HBP). I also think the Slytherin climate must have been partly to blame.

5. It shows her sadism. It may also suggest something of the Black family atmosphere: as I said before violence was acceptable (at least towards house elves) and it doesn't seem to me unlikely that physical punishment was not uncommon. However, as I also mentioned, this cannot be solely to blame as other characters grew up in a similar atmosphere. Perhaps Bellatrix's enjoyment of causing pain is feeling that she is serving/avenging her master by so doing.

6. I think she didn't just hate Tonks for marrying a werewolf, she hated Tonks for being born. It took away most of what little chance there was Andromeda would ever leave Ted and return to the family. Nymphadora herself never, I'm sure, wanted anything to do with her Black side (her choice of preferred name shows clearly the side of the family she prefers). Of course, Voldemort taunted her about Tonks: and it is typical of Bella's nature that rather than admitting Voldemort is at all to blame for causing her pain and public humiliation, she blames Tonks. It is only after that scene we really see her hating Tonks more than she hates others: yes, she battled her in OOTP but left her alive (possibly unintentionally, maybe she thought she had killed her).

7. Possibly, but it would have taken another book the length of OOTP almost solely focused on it. In HBP she displays some remaining affection for Narcissa (to me she also appears the most lucid in this scene, particularly before Snape appears.) Yes, it would be technically possible, but Bellatrix was never a character that was meant to be redeemed. It would have taken a lot of time to do even remotely convincingly.

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I couldn't agree more with this. I think she was immensely proud in her pureblood line as was Sirius' mother. To have the tree tainted by the infusion of Muggle blood in any way could not be tolerated for her. While Mrs. Black blasted them off the tree, Bella (the ever fundamentalist) went for their lives.

To have Muggle blood on her tree made her look bad as we seen in "The Dark Lord Ascending" Voldy knows just the right cord with her to strike. When Voldy asks her to "prune" her tree of the "unhealthy" parts...she replies with no hesitation:

The Dark Lord Ascending
"Yes, my Lord," whispered Bellatrix, and her eyes swam with tears of gratitude again, "At first chance!"


I bolded the "tears of gratitude" because it touches at the essence of her character. She was happy and grateful not only to serve the Dark Lord, but to serve him by killing her family! Even if she never saw them as family...they were.

I agree that the 'tears of gratitude' bit touches at the essence of her character, but may I suggest another way in which it does so? Bellatrix here is grateful to Voldemort for suggesting a way out of the public humiliation he himself has caused. To me it shows how much Bellatrix is prepared to turn a blind eye to: no matter how Voldemort abuses her devotion to him, she never blames him in any way. However evil Bellatrix is (which is pretty evil) I think I will always find this just the tiniest bit pitiable.

LoveWeasleys October 5th, 2007 3:16 am

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I agree that the 'tears of gratitude' bit touches at the essence of her character, but may I suggest another way in which it does so? Bellatrix here is grateful to Voldemort for suggesting a way out of the public humiliation he himself has caused. To me it shows how much Bellatrix is prepared to turn a blind eye to: no matter how Voldemort abuses her devotion to him, she never blames him in any way. However evil Bellatrix is (which is pretty evil) I think I will always find this just the tiniest bit pitiable.

Good point and good insight :tu:. It never struck me that when I read it, but know that you brought it up, I agree. I can also see what you are saying about it being a bit pitiable. Because it is a rather pathetic reaction to everything that Voldymort has said to her prior.

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In OOTP, she mentions Voldemort taught her the Dark Arts himself: perhaps Voldemort marked her out and recruited her at a young age.

I am guessing that is what happened as well. It seemed that she had quite the experiance and devotion when she went to torture the Longbottoms and then was arrested for doing so.

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I'm not entirely convinced killing Sirius was intentional, but that's a whole new discussion.

I am kind of feeling like this would be a good thread....

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Perhaps Bellatrix's enjoyment of causing pain is feeling that she is serving/avenging her master by so doing.

Exactly. As you said before it "shows her sadism". I totally agree.

katja92 October 7th, 2007 10:17 am

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1. Bellatrix is often seen as the most fanatical of Voldemort's supporters. Why do you think it is that she has devoted her life and efforts so wholly to Voldemort? What influences in her family and life could have led to her becoming one of the most feared Death Eaters? Could she have any romantic feelings for Voldemort?
I think that she was a very intelligent girl who just couldn't put up with leading her life like Narcissa. I'm guessing that she didn't just have romantic feelings for LV, but was deeply in love with him. I believe that she did anything what he wanted. This turned her into a crazy murderer who then did all those things not only for him, but also because she wanted to do them.
2. What do you suppose leads Bellatrix to distrust Snape so, as seen in the HBP chapter 'Spinner's End'? Does this cast any doubts upon her complete trust in Voldemort? Does it speak of any prior relationship with Snape?
I suppose that she is afraid that he might danger her position has LV's number one. He convinced LV of his faith easily and I think that makes her jealous and afraid.
3. What kind of relationship do you think that Bellatrix had with her cousin, Sirius, for her to so easily battle against, and ultimately have a hand in killing him?
I don't think he is family for her. At the beginning of DH he says that she doesn't consider her sister Andromeda as family, I think the same goes for serious. Furthermore, at this point a human life is probably nothing for her.
4. Bellatrix is said to have been at school and joined forces with several other Death Eaters prior to Harry's parents being at Hogwarts. What factors do you see as contributing to the turning of Bellatrix and her peers to Voldemort, and how could they have gotten away with this in the middle of Hogwarts?
They were raised to believe in the purity of blood. LV says waht they had herd from there parents and he offers them might and support. I don't think they did too much at Hogwarts and I'm sure they were careful. After all, their master got away with opening the Chamber of Secrets.
5. Bellatrix seems to have a fondness for the Cruciatus curse. What do you think that this says about her personality and history?
It shows her cruelty and madness. I think the love which I mentioned earlier has become fanatic and crazy. She enjoys the pain of others.
7. Do you think Belltrix could have been redeemed?
I think she might have been redeemed at a very early point, in her first years as DE, but after that she is only cruelty and evil.

Kharina October 7th, 2007 4:24 pm

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I am guessing that is what happened as well. It seemed that she had quite the experiance and devotion when she went to torture the Longbottoms and then was arrested for doing so.

Exactly: although I'm sure Azkaban didn't help Bellatrix (I hate that place, although that's for a different discussion), it's clear her devotion for Voldemort was pretty strong before as well. Although we have to remember two/three (depending if you count Barty Jr) others helped to torture the Longbottoms, Bellatrix is the most outspoken by far at the trial. It's clear she feels absolutely justified about what she did and proud of serving Voldemort.

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I am kind of feeling like this would be a good thread....

There was one ages ago, back before DH, which provided a really interesting discussion for a while. After DH and the way she acted towards the rest of her family, though, it seems much less likely Sirius' death was an accident.

RavenStar83 October 8th, 2007 2:33 am

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I liked that she loved Voldemort. Bellatrix loving Voldemort didn't make either of them any less evil. It was another example of how love doesn't always save the day.(Snape loving Lily didn't work out too well)

I wouldn't agree it was an example of love not always saving the day, because JKR has made a huge point that love is the most powerful magic against Voldy. Here's what I found really interesting: Voldy is supposed to be symbol of evil in the story, and love is supposed to be what defeats evil. Yet what happens when it is evil that you love? I think Bella serves as a good example of that.

Trixa November 23rd, 2007 12:05 pm

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When it is evil that you love mummy dearest will come, call you names and eventually send a deadly curse to where your heart should be.
This is what Jo has said in a recent interview:
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She does commit a murder.
Yes in book seven she kills Bellatrix- she is the only woman on the good side who kills. I saw Molly and Bellatrix standing opposite of each other for a long time; two completely different characters, who each show a very feminine side of love. The pure and protecting love of Molly, and the obsessive, perverse of Bellatrix. Those two feminine types of energy against each other. That was very satisfying to write.

Sorry Bellatrix! You are the only HP character that isn't supposed to fall in love.
Seriously, this explanation does not make any sense to me. I think saying that Bellatrix tried to kill Ginny (after Ginny attacked her but never mind) is enough. This paralells between the two characters are just weird. Loving a child is equally important to loving a man and vice versa. Without the man there wouldn't even be a child.
Obsessive? Yes she's loyal to him. She cares what he thinks of her. DUH! Any woman would care what the man she loves thinks of her.
She tries to please him, but so do all the other DEs. So what exactly makes her obsessed?
And perverse? Why, yeah Voldy is ugly. So what? That only shows that she's not shallow and that she loves people for who they are.
Bellatrix needed retribution. She was evil, she had to go. She had to go not because she loved the "wrong" person but because she had hurt people.
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Do you think Belltrix could have been redeemed?
Oh no. There is no redemption for childless women.

ecardina November 23rd, 2007 1:37 pm

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Sorry Bellatrix! You are the only HP character that isn't supposed to fall in
Obsessive? Yes she's loyal to him. She cares what he thinks of her. DUH! Any woman would care what the man she loves thinks of her.
She tries to please him, but so do all the other DEs. So what exactly makes her obsessed?
And perverse? Why, yeah Voldy is ugly. So what? That only shows that she's not shallow and that she loves people for who they are.
Bellatrix needed retribution. She was evil, she had to go. She had to go not because she loved the "wrong" person but because she had hurt people.

Oh no. There is no redemption for childless women.


Bellatrix is obessed with his power. Is Vodemort was simply Tom Riddle she'd probably not be interested at all. She is drawn to the things he has accomplished and his controlling personality- after all, Bellatirx is a pretty independent woman, i'm sure the fact that someone would have the power to control her wild spirit would impress her. Instead of simply loving him she is obsessed with everything he says, does and it's almost as if everything he does is 'rightous'. I mean, you can love someone and disagree with their choices but Bellatrix doesn't seem to. The only time she seems to be able to argue the possibilty that Voldemort is wrong is when she thinks him in danger. She suspected Snape.
Bellatrix would kill for Voldemort. Her obsession stretches to the bounds that she'd slaughter her entire family simply to get him to say 'good Bella'. Had she given birth to a child she would have given him to the lord even if Death was certain for it. Most mothers couldn't even dream of that. She worships the very earth he walks on no doubt and she seems to be so passionate about her love for him that she can't even control herself.
She murders men, woman and children- just for him. That is pretty twisted on its own.
That is what I call obessesion.

Then again that is only my opinon.

And what has childless women got to do with it?

SusanBones November 23rd, 2007 2:22 pm

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Bellatrix told Narcissa in Spinner's End that she felt that the Dark Lord was granting Draco a great honor by giving him such an important assignment. Narcissa was afraid that Draco would be killed while trying to perform his task.
HBP-Ch 2, page 35-US ed "You should be proud!" said Bellatrix ruthlessly. "If I had sons, I would be glad to give them up to the service of the Dark Lord!"


This is how Bellatrix claims she would act if she had sons. She would do anything that Voldemort asked her to do, including giving her sons to him. I would think that if she was less obsessed with Voldemort, she would have felt more like her sister Narcissa, fearful for her son.

My thought on the battle between Bellatrix and Molly was that it had nothing to do with the fact that Bellatrix was childless, but everything to do with the fact that she placed very little value on human life. All the bad guys needed to be stopped, that was the purpose of the war - stop the bad guys, stop the killing. Bellatrix needed to be stopped. Molly had the most incentive, in my opinion, to stop her.

Trixa November 23rd, 2007 6:06 pm

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She murders men, woman and children- just for him. That is pretty twisted on its own.
Not for him, for the cause. The other death eaters murder as well. Are they also obsessed with Voldemort? It's a war, people choose a side that's it.
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mean, you can love someone and disagree with their choices but Bellatrix doesn't seem to. The only time she seems to be able to argue the possibilty that Voldemort is wrong is when she thinks him in danger. She suspected Snape.
Bella gets very little screen time in the books. Spinner's end is one of the few chapters in which we see her. There she disagrees with Voldemort and betrays him for Narcissa.
BTW, isn't Hagrid always the one who agrees with everything Dumbledore does and says?
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Bellatrix is obessed with his power
Yes she does love him for his power. That's a reason to love just as good as brains, looks or kindness is. If he were powerless and weak he wouldn't be who he is.
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This is how Bellatrix claims she would act if she had sons. She would do anything that Voldemort asked her to do, including giving her sons to him. I would think that if she was less obsessed with Voldemort, she would have felt more like her sister Narcissa, fearful for her son.
She's not maternal.
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She worships the very earth he walks on no doubt and she seems to be so passionate about her love for him that she can't even control herself.
Oh, so that's why she didn't offer to give him her wand in DH. And decided to lie to him about the sword. I see.

gertiekeddle November 23rd, 2007 6:14 pm

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purplehawk November 23rd, 2007 6:54 pm

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decided to lie to him about the sword.

When did she lie to him about the sword?

Rell November 23rd, 2007 8:31 pm

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:clap: this thread lives

As far as Bellatrix loving...I think she at least thought that she loved Voldemort. He seemed to fill some kind of emotional need for her, which lead to such an obsession that she was willing to do anything to serve him. Other Death Eaters may have wanted the prestige attached to being high up with Voldemort, or they may have truly believed in the ideals of pure blood supremacy. But Bellatrix's loyalties seemed to be centered around Voldemort himself.

purplehawk November 23rd, 2007 8:43 pm

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As far as Bellatrix loving...I think she at least thought that she loved Voldemort. He seemed to fill some kind of emotional need for her, which lead to such an obsession that she was willing to do anything to serve him. Other Death Eaters may have wanted the prestige attached to being high up with Voldemort, or they may have truly believed in the ideals of pure blood supremacy. But Bellatrix's loyalties seemed to be centered around Voldemort himself.

I agree... but where does Rodolphus fit into the equation? I've never really understood their relationship.

alwaysme November 23rd, 2007 8:47 pm

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I agree... but where does Rodolphus fit into the equation? I've never really understood their relationship.

I have always been a bit confused by their relationship too. I assume it was an arranged marriage of sorts or she just didn't really love him. *shrugs*

Rell November 23rd, 2007 8:53 pm

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I agree... but where does Rodolphus fit into the equation? I've never really understood their relationship.

I don't think we know when exactly she married Rudolphus (i.e. before or after she was an active Death Eater), but I think she was sort of pressured into marrying him. Bellatrix seems the type who desperately wants to do the what's expected of her to please authority...and if her parents wanted her to marry a pure blood from a respected family and they wanted Rudolphus to be that person, it probably wouldn't have taken too much pressure to get Bellatrix to agree.

SusanBones November 23rd, 2007 9:45 pm

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I always pictured Rodolphus as one of those underdog type husbands. Bellatrix is a very strong woman. I would think that he would be afraid to disagree with her. She may have married him because she was encouraged to do so. Or she may just have thought she loved him. He was with her when they tortured the Longbottoms into insanity. But her interest in Voldemort seems to go beyond what a married woman should have for a man who is not her husband.

I think there are some differences between the Bellatrix form of evil and the Voldemort form of evil. Bellatrix knows she is hurting people. She is very sadistic, in my opinion. Dumbledore said that Bellatrix likes to play with her food before eating it, which is a gruesome picture to me. She likes to hurt people. Voldemort seems to kill people because they are in his way. He seems callous and uncaring about the people he kills. The difference is in the enjoyment over the killing, which Bellatrix seems to show to a greater extent than Voldemort does, in my opinion.

purplehawk November 23rd, 2007 10:08 pm

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Voldemort thought of himself as "most important and precious" after he discovered that Hufflepuff's cup was missing. I think it's fair to assume that Bella shared his opinion of himself. Bella seems to share his utter disregard for human life and the rights of others. Both have an extremely twisted view of life and their role in it. I honestly can't tell which of them is worst.

wickedwickedboy November 24th, 2007 6:20 pm

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In the Bloomsbury chat, JKR said that Bella married Rudolphus because it was expected of her as a pureblood witch, but that her true love had always been Voldemort. I suppose he won her heart during the first war; if I recall correctly, he was very good looking with a winning personality. I imagine she fell deeply in love and when he returned in his new snake like form, his looks were of no importance to her as he was the same man in every other way - well characterwise anyway.

purplehawk November 24th, 2007 6:35 pm

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In the Bloomsbury chat, JKR said that Bella married Rudolphus because it was expected of her as a pureblood witch, but that her true love had always been Voldemort. I suppose he won her heart during the first war; if I recall correctly, he was very good looking with a winning personality. I imagine she fell deeply in love and when he returned in his new snake like form, his looks were of no importance to her as he was the same man in every other way - well characterwise anyway.

Oh, yuckabilly! :td:

Rell November 25th, 2007 12:12 am

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The difference is in the enjoyment over the killing, which Bellatrix seems to show to a greater extent than Voldemort does, in my opinion.

:agree: Voldemort is very calculated in his murders. When we see into his thoughts in Godric's Hollow, he contemplates killing a child, yet he doesn't because it would be wasteful. Bellatrix wouldn't have cared about that.

CoeurDeLyon November 27th, 2007 2:47 am

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I always pictured Rodolphus as one of those underdog type husbands. Bellatrix is a very strong woman. I would think that he would be afraid to disagree with her. She may have married him because she was encouraged to do so. Or she may just have thought she loved him. He was with her when they tortured the Longbottoms into insanity. But her interest in Voldemort seems to go beyond what a married woman should have for a man who is not her husband.

I think there are some differences between the Bellatrix form of evil and the Voldemort form of evil. Bellatrix knows she is hurting people. She is very sadistic, in my opinion. Dumbledore said that Bellatrix likes to play with her food before eating it, which is a gruesome picture to me. She likes to hurt people. Voldemort seems to kill people because they are in his way. He seems callous and uncaring about the people he kills. The difference is in the enjoyment over the killing, which Bellatrix seems to show to a greater extent than Voldemort does, in my opinion.


Yes I agree here. Bellatrix loves to hurt people. She enjoys it, she relishes every second of it.

But I do have a question about her. I agree that she would have married a pureblood and she was probably encouraged to marry at all, but the purpose of marriage for a pureblood to me, is to create pureblood children. To keep them from dying out. I dont think she would have created a child because she deeply wanted one, but because she too didnt want the bloodline to die out. So where is her child? I would love the idea of her daughter or son to be the next villian in HP world.

Chris November 27th, 2007 2:51 am

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She may have been in prison for too long - Sirius was also in prison for a similar length of time and he, too, was childless. Perhaps she married very close to when she entered Azkaban?

JK may have also had her own reasons for not including a child, which I can only guess at. But that's off-topic :).

CoeurDeLyon November 27th, 2007 3:15 am

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Maybe...chparadise.
Maybe its as simple as that...she just didnt have the time to concieve.

I was slightly dissapointed in her death. Bellatrix was a very strong woman, and driven beyond belief. I would have liked her death to be a little more tragic, more violent. She deserved to die something awful, like a rock crushing her skull as she shouts for Voldemort to save her. LOL.

Rell November 27th, 2007 3:22 am

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I think that had Voldemort not existed, Bellatrix would have had children if that was what was expected of her. But as Voldemort was in the picture, I think being pregnant, and having to care for children, would have slowed Bellatrix down too much for her liking.

horcrux4 December 1st, 2007 6:51 am

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I'd always assumed that the purebloods were so inbred that they would have had trouble conceiving. Narcissa only had the one child and you'd have thought they'd have wanted to up the numbers of purebloods. So perhaps Bella was sterile?

I have trouble with the time-frames concerning Bella. She is the oldest of the sisters but we don't know how much older. Presumably somewhere around Lucius' age? I which case, when Voldy came to power and she became a DE he would already have become snake-looking - I don't think she was old enough to have seen anything of the handsome Tom Riddle. His looks evidently didn't worry her, so I expect he had a certain glamour or charisma in a dark and horrible way, which attracted her to him. If she loved evil then she'd likely love the epitome of it.

But I do find her servile adoration of him rather sickly!

jewelledhunter December 4th, 2007 4:52 am

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Bellatrix is a very interesting character, the way she adores Lord Voldemort. All the little hints Rowling drops...you would think there was more, but we know Voldemort doesn't love.

I think Bellatrix is sort of like those people who love their crushes so much that they would do anything to be near them. It's really an obsessional love.

I love how Bellatrix's wand is "...12 and 3/4 inches, unyielding. (DH 24)" Just like her personality.

Rell December 4th, 2007 5:02 am

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I love how Bellatrix's wand is "...12 and 3/4 inches, unyielding. (DH 24)" Just like her personality.

ooh, good catch. I don't think anything would have caused Bellatrix to change her loyalties.

Beatifically December 25th, 2007 4:16 am

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I think there are some differences between the Bellatrix form of evil and the Voldemort form of evil. Bellatrix knows she is hurting people. She is very sadistic, in my opinion. Dumbledore said that Bellatrix likes to play with her food before eating it, which is a gruesome picture to me. She likes to hurt people. Voldemort seems to kill people because they are in his way. He seems callous and uncaring about the people he kills. The difference is in the enjoyment over the killing, which Bellatrix seems to show to a greater extent than Voldemort does, in my opinion.

This is a really great point! (And this is a really late reply. :whistle:) The difference between Bellatrix's form of evil, as you said, is more sadistic than anything. She gets pleasure seeing other people suffer. Voldemort isn't really sadistic, he's just apathetic. When he kills someone, he does it quickly and doesn't feel any emotion. Bellatrix, on the other hand, plays with her food before she eats it. IMO, Bellatrix would enjoy seeing someone suffer a slow and painful death, whereas Voldemort would want to kill the person as quickly as possible.

FurryDice December 31st, 2007 1:06 am

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This is a really great point! (And this is a really late reply. :whistle:) The difference between Bellatrix's form of evil, as you said, is more sadistic than anything. She gets pleasure seeing other people suffer. Voldemort isn't really sadistic, he's just apathetic. When he kills someone, he does it quickly and doesn't feel any emotion. Bellatrix, on the other hand, plays with her food before she eats it. IMO, Bellatrix would enjoy seeing someone suffer a slow and painful death, whereas Voldemort would want to kill the person as quickly as possible.

Yeah, Bella enjoys killing and torture, not necessarily in that order, for her they are an end in themself, whereas for Voldemort, they are a means to an end.
She strikes me as a fierce, remorseless character, who enjoys seeing other suffer.
Her obsession with Voldemort is interesting, entirely twisted, really comes across strongly in the Order of the Phoenix movie and in Deathly Hallows when they are together. Can't help wondering what Rabastan/Rodolphus (can't remember which one) made of it though.
Something that really struck me about Bellatrix in Spinners' End was her assertion that if she had sons, she would be glad to give them to Voldemort, so Narcissa should be proud of Draco's serving Voldemort, no matter the cost. Somehow, it reminded me instantly of Lady MacBeth's insistence that she would kill her own infant if she had sworn to do so.

WendyPotter December 31st, 2007 1:20 am

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Yeah, Bella enjoys killing and torture, not necessarily in that order, for her they are an end in themself, whereas for Voldemort, they are a means to an end.
She strikes me as a fierce, remorseless character, who enjoys seeing other suffer.
Her obsession with Voldemort is interesting, entirely twisted, really comes across strongly in the Order of the Phoenix movie and in Deathly Hallows when they are together. Can't help wondering what Rabastan/Rodolphus (can't remember which one) made of it though.
Something that really struck me about Bellatrix in Spinners' End was her assertion that if she had sons, she would be glad to give them to Voldemort, so Narcissa should be proud of Draco's serving Voldemort, no matter the cost. Somehow, it reminded me instantly of Lady MacBeth's insistence that she would kill her own infant if she had sworn to do so.

*shudders* That woman siriusly creeped me out. I think she was Voldemort's secret lover or something of the sort. Or at least she wanted to be. Completely demented, if you ask me...

~WendyPotter:rave:

Montse December 31st, 2007 1:42 am

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I think Bella is one of J.K.s best characters.She is the personification of evil,itself,only for the pleasure of it.Voldy had had a tough childhood,one could excuse him in a sense for being bad,but Bella,i can see her as a spoiled child,very like Dudley,and when grown found LV who offered her all sor t of eviltasks that would satisfy her evil desires and inclinations...The think with Bella is that she is a very real character,in our muggle world,so many people are bad for the sake of bieng bad,no one has ever hurt them and still they are bad.

I was thinking...maybe she did have a hard childhood,maybe her mother went gaga over cissy for beign pretty and never gave Bella the same affection...they are described as very different...this might have given her a reson for being so bad...

mariebeth83 December 31st, 2007 1:52 am

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I always found Bella the most interesting of the 'bad guys'. In terms of evilness, hers is, in my humble opinion, the most pure, because she seemed to thoroughly enjoy it and find emense pleasure in it. I'm not saying that anyone else did, but besides Voldemort (who I don't think ever had a real human emotion out of anything), she always came across to me as the one person who didn't have a conscience, the one person who would go all the way without even once stopping, even for a second, to think maybe she shouldn't. TBH, as a character I really liked her, purely for her lack of control and inability to be held down by anyone.

milamilamila December 31st, 2007 2:01 am

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Bellatrix was one of the most evil characters in the story. She seems to thrive in other people's misery. There are many examples of this.
"He heard another woman laughing nearby, and knew that Bellatrix gloried in McGonagall's despair" (DH, 730 american edition)
"'What will happen to your children when I've killed you?' taunted Bellatrix, as mad as her master, capering as Molly's curses danced around her. "When Mummy's gone the same way as Freddie?'" (DH, 736)
"'Longbottom?' repeated Bellatrix, and a truly evil smile lit her gaunt face. 'Why, I have had the pleasure of meeting your parents, boy...'" (OOTP, 800, american edition)

Seeing other people in pain seems to give her some perverse pleasure. I feel like she's similar to Voldemort in that neither of them feel compassion, she's just different in the fact that she loves him, which demonstrates that she understands the power of love at least to a small degree. I think she is a sick and twisted woman.

hufflepina January 14th, 2008 3:00 am

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She is real evil only for pleasure and loveż? for Voldemort. But my she doesn´t have any kids? and how was her realtionship with Rodolphus?

The_Green_Woods January 14th, 2008 6:55 am

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Welcome to the post-DH discussion of Bellatrix Lestrange. Previous discussion without spoilers can be found here: Bellatrix Lestrange: Character Analysis


1. Bellatrix is often seen as the most fanatical of Voldemort's supporters. Why do you think it is that she has devoted her life and efforts so wholly to Voldemort? What influences in her family and life could have led to her becoming one of the most feared Death Eaters? Could she have any romantic feelings for Voldemort?

2. What do you suppose leads Bellatrix to distrust Snape so, as seen in the HBP chapter 'Spinner's End'? Does this cast any doubts upon her complete trust in Voldemort? Does it speak of any prior relationship with Snape?

3. What kind of relationship do you think that Bellatrix had with her cousin, Sirius, for her to so easily battle against, and ultimately have a hand in killing him?

4. Bellatrix is said to have been at school and joined forces with several other Death Eaters prior to Harry's parents being at Hogwarts. What factors do you see as contributing to the turning of Bellatrix and her peers to Voldemort, and how could they have gotten away with this in the middle of Hogwarts?

5. Bellatrix seems to have a fondness for the Cruciatus curse. What do you think that this says about her personality and history?

6. What do you think of her hatred of Tonks for marrying a werewolf?

7. Do you think Belltrix could have been redeemed?

1. She was in love with Voldemort and she was his most fanatical supporter, because of that IMO. There was no limit to where she would not go, because she was madly and paasionately in love with him (surprisingly even after his rebirth; so that may be true love LOL)

2. I think she does not trust Snape, because Dumbledore vouched for him and he was after Voldemort's disappearance not in Azkaban with the rest. She also is not very favourable with Lucius. We see her blaming him to Snape. I think she tolerates Lucius only because of Narcissa, whom she appears to care for genuinely.

3. Nothing except contempt IMO. Sirius walked over to the Light. He became the enemy since then IMO.

4. She seems to have truly admired Voldmeort; the only one to join him for his sake unlike others who joined him for attainment of certain things like power, doing away of the muggleborns etc. She would have spoken all good??? things about him to her peers and tried to woo them I think.

5. She seems to lov watching her victims suffer. She would have made an adequate Queen for King Voldemort IMO. *rolls eyes*

6. I think she hated a Black, how much ever she was a half blood, marrying a creature, for that was what Remus would have been to her, was despicable. She would have wanted to kilkl both in a horrible manner IMO.

7. Everyone can. Only greater the crime, IMO greater must be the remorse. Like Voldemort, the pain of her remorse, would have destroyed her mind IMO.

horcrux4 January 15th, 2008 10:00 pm

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I found it interesting that Andromeda looked so much like Bella while Narcissa looked quite different. The 3 sisters turned out very different in personality though - Bella proud, sadistic, passionate, evil; Andromeda kind and open-minded; Narcissa proud, cold, haughty, caring towards her husband and son. The same parents brought them all up, which is something of a score for nature over nurture. Was Bella just born evil and twisted?

Nmyphadora January 15th, 2008 11:03 pm

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1. Bellatrix is often seen as the most fanatical of Voldemort's supporters. Why do you think it is that she has devoted her life and efforts so wholly to Voldemort? What influences in her family and life could have led to her becoming one of the most feared Death Eaters? Could she have any romantic feelings for Voldemort?
:lol: I think Bella did have some romantic feelings towards old Voldy. She felt such a passion to follow him and do his every whim that I think some how bettween his fall and his second rise she had conjured feelings for her master. I think she devoted her life to his servous because she felt so strongly as a prue blood to live up to that status of her family name and her blood status. She also felt it her 'duty' to the wizarding world to pruge it of mudbloods and muggles.

2. What do you suppose leads Bellatrix to distrust Snape so, as seen in the HBP chapter 'Spinner's End'? Does this cast any doubts upon her complete trust in Voldemort? Does it speak of any prior relationship with Snape? She thinks that Snape's loyaties to the dark lord is wavering in HBP. From all his past events and being so close to Harry Potter she thinks that Snape isn't really, 100% for Voldemort but wavering in his loyals to the death eatters and to thier master. I don't think this would have made a diffrence to what she thought of Moldy Voldy. Bella is only on professinal levels with Snape as we see in OotP and further books.

3. What kind of relationship do you think that Bellatrix had with her cousin, Sirius, for her to so easily battle against, and ultimately have a hand in killing him?
I think that those two had a hate relationship because Sirius went to Griffendor, was a friend to a Mudblood (Lily) he didn't stay true to the Black family name all though he never was married. Sirius didn't like Bella because well she was all that he went against, blood hating, picking out who was worthy of wizarding schooling ect. Killing Sirius was a thrill for Bella.

4. Bellatrix is said to have been at school and joined forces with several other Death Eaters prior to Harry's parents being at Hogwarts. What factors do you see as contributing to the turning of Bellatrix and her peers to Voldemort, and how could they have gotten away with this in the middle of Hogwarts?
Bella knew as a prue blood and a fellow :slyth:Slytheren that her duty was to the dark lord and to her fellow school mates to join forces with him. How she got away with this on school grounds no one really for certen sure.


5. Bellatrix seems to have a fondness for the Cruciatus curse. What do you think that this says about her personality and history?
It says that she wasn't afraid of torturing to her gain and pleasure. To her charater also it would mean she is dangrous more than other death eatters. She also found no remorse in her actions as well.


6. What do you think of her hatred of Tonks for marrying a werewolf?
Normal, she hated the fact that her family line was dabbed with her sister as a blood traitor and now her niece married a werewolf. She wanted to get rid of such disgrace.
7. Do you think Belltrix could have been redeemed?
No, I don't think so. That and I doubt she wanted to be redeemed over to the good side. I think Bella would have wanted to face Azkaban again then feel remorse for her actions.

PerfectDystopia January 15th, 2008 11:47 pm

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She is real evil only for pleasure and loveż? for Voldemort. But my she doesn´t have any kids? and how was her realtionship with Rodolphus?

She only married Rodolphis because she was expected to take a respectable pureblood husband. Her heart belonged to Voldemort. I'm pretty sure she didn't have any kids with Rodolphus. I think the only kids she would want is would be Voldemort's.

DeathlyH January 15th, 2008 11:57 pm

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1. Bellatrix is often seen as the most fanatical of Voldemort's supporters. Why do you think it is that she has devoted her life and efforts so wholly to Voldemort? What influences in her family and life could have led to her becoming one of the most feared Death Eaters? Could she have any romantic feelings for Voldemort?
I think it was because she devoted herself so much to the idea of pureblood, and Voldemort was the main one fighting for it, so she devoted herself to him. As to why she was into purebloods, it was just the way her family was, not at all helped by the fact that many people in there were blood traitors, including her own sister. I think it was that which led her to be such a feared DE, and we saw it in DH. She worked really, really, hard to try and kill and the traitors from her family, and raise her status with Voldemort. I don't think she felt really romantic for him, like Harry and Ginny, but she just wanted him to be close to her and praise her.

horcrux4 January 16th, 2008 4:51 am

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I just had a thought. What wand was Bellatrix using in the battle of Hogwarts? Did Hermione lose the real one in Gringotts? Or was she using it herself in the BoH? Bella couldn't get a new wand from Ollivander or Gregorovich and she couldn't be using Cissy's as Draco had it. So where did she get it from?

yasas January 16th, 2008 9:55 am

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I never liked Bella. However, I’d like to tell something that struck me about her character.

I think Bella truly possessed a heart of a warrior. Even her name suggests that. It is said that a true warrior never gives up the battle, even when the blade of a sword has pierced him/her. Almost all the other wizards and witches became essentially powerless when disarmed. But Bella killed her enemy even without a wand (when she threw her knife at Harry & Co.) Fortunately (for Harry) the knife only hit Dobby.

I think that although she despised Muggle methods, she must have trained herself how to use knives, swords etc.

Another thing is, she always fought fair. Everybody she killed (Sirius, Tonks) were slain in fair fight. She didn’t use mean tricks like employing snakes to kill opponents (like Voldy killing Snape).

I don’t think she feared anybody except Voldy. She was ready to fight with three people alone if necessary. In the Ministry fiasco, she vanquished 2 Aurors easily.

She was slain due to lack of concentration in the final battle. This was very similar to Sirius’ death. With both DD and Snape dead, I don’t think anybody among the good guys was competent to vanquish Bella in a fair fight. She should have concentrated in killing Molly rather than laughing at her.



When engaged in combat, the vanquishing of thine enemy can be the warrior's only concern. This is the first and cardinal rule of combat. Suppress all human emotion and compassion; kill whoever stands in thy way. This truth lies at the heart of the art of combat. Once it is mastered, thou shall fear no one, though the devil himself may bar thy way. (Doctrine of the Ura Yagyu)

Chris January 17th, 2008 2:49 am

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I just had a thought. What wand was Bellatrix using in the battle of Hogwarts? Did Hermione lose the real one in Gringotts? Or was she using it herself in the BoH? Bella couldn't get a new wand from Ollivander or Gregorovich and she couldn't be using Cissy's as Draco had it. So where did she get it from?

You know, this is a fine point :hmm:. Maybe one of the many wizards she disarmed at the Malfoy Manor in one of her fits of rage ended up "donating" a wand.

However, not to discount Molly, but it could explain a bit more (along with yasas' explanation about lack of concentration) how Molly bested her. Combine Molly's emotional rage, lack of concentration, and a slightly subpart (for her) wand = defeated Bella.

RemusLupinFan January 17th, 2008 12:37 pm

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Originally Posted by yasas (Post 4901289)
I think Bella truly possessed a heart of a warrior. Even her name suggests that. It is said that a true warrior never gives up the battle, even when the blade of a sword has pierced him/her. Almost all the other wizards and witches became essentially powerless when disarmed.

I never knew what the name Bellatrix meant, but you're right, it does mean "female warrior" in Latin. I agree that Bellatrix was indeed a female warrior, since we've seen her in battle for the Death Eaters so often. And I agree she's a good fighter - she's certainly overcome many enemies (which is unfortunate for the Order). Part of the reason she's so good is that she is a bit insane and unstable, which I think causes her to take some risks that a normal person might not. And she's so full of angry passion and hatred that she goes above and beyond to knock out her opponents. She's altogether scary. I'm so glad though that Molly was able to overcome her. Finally she'd met her match in fierceness - no one is more passionate when their child is in danger than Molly!

The_Green_Woods January 17th, 2008 3:23 pm

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Originally Posted by horcrux4 (Post 4901188)
I just had a thought. What wand was Bellatrix using in the battle of Hogwarts? Did Hermione lose the real one in Gringotts? Or was she using it herself in the BoH? Bella couldn't get a new wand from Ollivander or Gregorovich and she couldn't be using Cissy's as Draco had it. So where did she get it from?

I think Bella was using her own wand, but a new wand either specially crafted for her or one she bought best suited to her needs.

The death eaters were ruling the WW at the time and I think Bella would not find it difficult to get another wand.

wickedwickedboy January 17th, 2008 6:24 pm

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I would have to go with RemusLupinFan on this one. I didn't think of Bella as being an especially great warrior, but more unstable and nuts, willing to take risks and generally on the offensive. A great warrior would not have fallen to Molly, imo, no matter how spurred on by anger Molly was. I mean all of the DEs and many of the good guys were great and experienced duelers, but I didn't see her as a cut above the rest of the good ones. In reality, Voldemort, Dumbledore and Harry (by virtue of being the chosen one) were the only three who had a clear advantage in any duel, imo. That of course does not count some of the old time warriors we heard about, who fought off page.

Nmyphadora January 17th, 2008 6:40 pm

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I think by DH she is mad with love for her master and fear for her life when Harry, Ron and Herminoe get to the Mannor.

NeilSquib86 January 21st, 2008 9:47 pm

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I was interested by JK Rowling's comments that there was a sexual attraction on bellatrix part towards voldemort. She said that some people could probably have spotted it and I must admit it seemed quite obvious at points: one point being that she's never with her hubby in the books! But also the fact that she talks to and about voldemort with utter reverence, infatuation even. So I always wondered about that attraction.

The_Green_Woods January 22nd, 2008 4:04 am

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Originally Posted by NeilSquib86 (Post 4906536)
I was interested by JK Rowling's comments that there was a sexual attraction on bellatrix part towards voldemort. She said that some people could probably have spotted it and I must admit it seemed quite obvious at points: one point being that she's never with her hubby in the books! But also the fact that she talks to and about voldemort with utter reverence, infatuation even. So I always wondered about that attraction.

I never noticed it.

I thought she was plain crazy all the time. :p

She is of those truly vicious persons who take pleasure in seeing the sufferings of others; like Dumbledore says, she wpuld play with her toys, before she breaks them. How awful really. Is she worse than Voldemort or is she better?

Voldemort had an agenda of killing muggles, muggleborns and all that. Bella seems to have no agenda except to serve Voldemort and kill for him. An assassin who truly loves her job, perhaps?

PerfectDystopia January 22nd, 2008 4:19 am

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Originally Posted by NeilSquib86 (Post 4906536)
I was interested by JK Rowling's comments that there was a sexual attraction on bellatrix part towards voldemort. She said that some people could probably have spotted it and I must admit it seemed quite obvious at points: one point being that she's never with her hubby in the books! But also the fact that she talks to and about voldemort with utter reverence, infatuation even. So I always wondered about that attraction.


You do bring up a good point. Where is her husband most of the time? He did escape from Azkaban with her, right? So why is he never in the action? Is he sulking in a corner cause his wife likes Voldemort more than him?

Moriath January 22nd, 2008 7:43 am

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In the light of where this discussion is going right now, I'd like to give you a heads-up to keep this family friendly. :)

horcrux4 January 22nd, 2008 2:06 pm

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Will do, Moriath!

If Bella had feelings for Voldemort (and we agree that she did) they seem to have been pretty one-way. He sees her as his "best lieutenant" and shrugs her off when she offers him help in the Forest. Yet she keeps making adoring eyes at him - she doesn't seem to need a relationship - she's happy just worshipping him, IMO. As for her husband (who I think got injured in the chase after the 7 Harrys) I think it must have been a marriage of convenience and he didn't mind what she did or felt. Do you think anyone could love Bella?

NeilSquib86 January 23rd, 2008 4:29 pm

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I love bellatrix! So powerful, demanding and forthright! Very desirable qualities in a woman.

As for her and voldemort, I don't think, that Voldemort would ever have feelings for anyone. He only looks after No.1, and gives no time or emotion for anybody. If he did, then he probably wouldnt be what voldemort is.

I think bellatrix was just purely infatuated with him. Probably liked the idea of being so close to power, and she herself wanted a great deal of power. Just the way I see it anyway.


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