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purplehawk November 23rd, 2007 8:43 pm

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As far as Bellatrix loving...I think she at least thought that she loved Voldemort. He seemed to fill some kind of emotional need for her, which lead to such an obsession that she was willing to do anything to serve him. Other Death Eaters may have wanted the prestige attached to being high up with Voldemort, or they may have truly believed in the ideals of pure blood supremacy. But Bellatrix's loyalties seemed to be centered around Voldemort himself.

I agree... but where does Rodolphus fit into the equation? I've never really understood their relationship.

alwaysme November 23rd, 2007 8:47 pm

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I agree... but where does Rodolphus fit into the equation? I've never really understood their relationship.

I have always been a bit confused by their relationship too. I assume it was an arranged marriage of sorts or she just didn't really love him. *shrugs*

Rell November 23rd, 2007 8:53 pm

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I agree... but where does Rodolphus fit into the equation? I've never really understood their relationship.

I don't think we know when exactly she married Rudolphus (i.e. before or after she was an active Death Eater), but I think she was sort of pressured into marrying him. Bellatrix seems the type who desperately wants to do the what's expected of her to please authority...and if her parents wanted her to marry a pure blood from a respected family and they wanted Rudolphus to be that person, it probably wouldn't have taken too much pressure to get Bellatrix to agree.

SusanBones November 23rd, 2007 9:45 pm

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I always pictured Rodolphus as one of those underdog type husbands. Bellatrix is a very strong woman. I would think that he would be afraid to disagree with her. She may have married him because she was encouraged to do so. Or she may just have thought she loved him. He was with her when they tortured the Longbottoms into insanity. But her interest in Voldemort seems to go beyond what a married woman should have for a man who is not her husband.

I think there are some differences between the Bellatrix form of evil and the Voldemort form of evil. Bellatrix knows she is hurting people. She is very sadistic, in my opinion. Dumbledore said that Bellatrix likes to play with her food before eating it, which is a gruesome picture to me. She likes to hurt people. Voldemort seems to kill people because they are in his way. He seems callous and uncaring about the people he kills. The difference is in the enjoyment over the killing, which Bellatrix seems to show to a greater extent than Voldemort does, in my opinion.

purplehawk November 23rd, 2007 10:08 pm

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Voldemort thought of himself as "most important and precious" after he discovered that Hufflepuff's cup was missing. I think it's fair to assume that Bella shared his opinion of himself. Bella seems to share his utter disregard for human life and the rights of others. Both have an extremely twisted view of life and their role in it. I honestly can't tell which of them is worst.

wickedwickedboy November 24th, 2007 6:20 pm

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In the Bloomsbury chat, JKR said that Bella married Rudolphus because it was expected of her as a pureblood witch, but that her true love had always been Voldemort. I suppose he won her heart during the first war; if I recall correctly, he was very good looking with a winning personality. I imagine she fell deeply in love and when he returned in his new snake like form, his looks were of no importance to her as he was the same man in every other way - well characterwise anyway.

purplehawk November 24th, 2007 6:35 pm

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In the Bloomsbury chat, JKR said that Bella married Rudolphus because it was expected of her as a pureblood witch, but that her true love had always been Voldemort. I suppose he won her heart during the first war; if I recall correctly, he was very good looking with a winning personality. I imagine she fell deeply in love and when he returned in his new snake like form, his looks were of no importance to her as he was the same man in every other way - well characterwise anyway.

Oh, yuckabilly! :td:

Rell November 25th, 2007 12:12 am

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The difference is in the enjoyment over the killing, which Bellatrix seems to show to a greater extent than Voldemort does, in my opinion.

:agree: Voldemort is very calculated in his murders. When we see into his thoughts in Godric's Hollow, he contemplates killing a child, yet he doesn't because it would be wasteful. Bellatrix wouldn't have cared about that.

CoeurDeLyon November 27th, 2007 2:47 am

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I always pictured Rodolphus as one of those underdog type husbands. Bellatrix is a very strong woman. I would think that he would be afraid to disagree with her. She may have married him because she was encouraged to do so. Or she may just have thought she loved him. He was with her when they tortured the Longbottoms into insanity. But her interest in Voldemort seems to go beyond what a married woman should have for a man who is not her husband.

I think there are some differences between the Bellatrix form of evil and the Voldemort form of evil. Bellatrix knows she is hurting people. She is very sadistic, in my opinion. Dumbledore said that Bellatrix likes to play with her food before eating it, which is a gruesome picture to me. She likes to hurt people. Voldemort seems to kill people because they are in his way. He seems callous and uncaring about the people he kills. The difference is in the enjoyment over the killing, which Bellatrix seems to show to a greater extent than Voldemort does, in my opinion.


Yes I agree here. Bellatrix loves to hurt people. She enjoys it, she relishes every second of it.

But I do have a question about her. I agree that she would have married a pureblood and she was probably encouraged to marry at all, but the purpose of marriage for a pureblood to me, is to create pureblood children. To keep them from dying out. I dont think she would have created a child because she deeply wanted one, but because she too didnt want the bloodline to die out. So where is her child? I would love the idea of her daughter or son to be the next villian in HP world.

Chris November 27th, 2007 2:51 am

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She may have been in prison for too long - Sirius was also in prison for a similar length of time and he, too, was childless. Perhaps she married very close to when she entered Azkaban?

JK may have also had her own reasons for not including a child, which I can only guess at. But that's off-topic :).

CoeurDeLyon November 27th, 2007 3:15 am

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Maybe...chparadise.
Maybe its as simple as that...she just didnt have the time to concieve.

I was slightly dissapointed in her death. Bellatrix was a very strong woman, and driven beyond belief. I would have liked her death to be a little more tragic, more violent. She deserved to die something awful, like a rock crushing her skull as she shouts for Voldemort to save her. LOL.

Rell November 27th, 2007 3:22 am

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I think that had Voldemort not existed, Bellatrix would have had children if that was what was expected of her. But as Voldemort was in the picture, I think being pregnant, and having to care for children, would have slowed Bellatrix down too much for her liking.

horcrux4 December 1st, 2007 6:51 am

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I'd always assumed that the purebloods were so inbred that they would have had trouble conceiving. Narcissa only had the one child and you'd have thought they'd have wanted to up the numbers of purebloods. So perhaps Bella was sterile?

I have trouble with the time-frames concerning Bella. She is the oldest of the sisters but we don't know how much older. Presumably somewhere around Lucius' age? I which case, when Voldy came to power and she became a DE he would already have become snake-looking - I don't think she was old enough to have seen anything of the handsome Tom Riddle. His looks evidently didn't worry her, so I expect he had a certain glamour or charisma in a dark and horrible way, which attracted her to him. If she loved evil then she'd likely love the epitome of it.

But I do find her servile adoration of him rather sickly!

jewelledhunter December 4th, 2007 4:52 am

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Bellatrix is a very interesting character, the way she adores Lord Voldemort. All the little hints Rowling drops...you would think there was more, but we know Voldemort doesn't love.

I think Bellatrix is sort of like those people who love their crushes so much that they would do anything to be near them. It's really an obsessional love.

I love how Bellatrix's wand is "...12 and 3/4 inches, unyielding. (DH 24)" Just like her personality.

Rell December 4th, 2007 5:02 am

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I love how Bellatrix's wand is "...12 and 3/4 inches, unyielding. (DH 24)" Just like her personality.

ooh, good catch. I don't think anything would have caused Bellatrix to change her loyalties.

Beatifically December 25th, 2007 4:16 am

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Originally Posted by SusanBones (Post 4849563)
I think there are some differences between the Bellatrix form of evil and the Voldemort form of evil. Bellatrix knows she is hurting people. She is very sadistic, in my opinion. Dumbledore said that Bellatrix likes to play with her food before eating it, which is a gruesome picture to me. She likes to hurt people. Voldemort seems to kill people because they are in his way. He seems callous and uncaring about the people he kills. The difference is in the enjoyment over the killing, which Bellatrix seems to show to a greater extent than Voldemort does, in my opinion.

This is a really great point! (And this is a really late reply. :whistle:) The difference between Bellatrix's form of evil, as you said, is more sadistic than anything. She gets pleasure seeing other people suffer. Voldemort isn't really sadistic, he's just apathetic. When he kills someone, he does it quickly and doesn't feel any emotion. Bellatrix, on the other hand, plays with her food before she eats it. IMO, Bellatrix would enjoy seeing someone suffer a slow and painful death, whereas Voldemort would want to kill the person as quickly as possible.

FurryDice December 31st, 2007 1:06 am

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This is a really great point! (And this is a really late reply. :whistle:) The difference between Bellatrix's form of evil, as you said, is more sadistic than anything. She gets pleasure seeing other people suffer. Voldemort isn't really sadistic, he's just apathetic. When he kills someone, he does it quickly and doesn't feel any emotion. Bellatrix, on the other hand, plays with her food before she eats it. IMO, Bellatrix would enjoy seeing someone suffer a slow and painful death, whereas Voldemort would want to kill the person as quickly as possible.

Yeah, Bella enjoys killing and torture, not necessarily in that order, for her they are an end in themself, whereas for Voldemort, they are a means to an end.
She strikes me as a fierce, remorseless character, who enjoys seeing other suffer.
Her obsession with Voldemort is interesting, entirely twisted, really comes across strongly in the Order of the Phoenix movie and in Deathly Hallows when they are together. Can't help wondering what Rabastan/Rodolphus (can't remember which one) made of it though.
Something that really struck me about Bellatrix in Spinners' End was her assertion that if she had sons, she would be glad to give them to Voldemort, so Narcissa should be proud of Draco's serving Voldemort, no matter the cost. Somehow, it reminded me instantly of Lady MacBeth's insistence that she would kill her own infant if she had sworn to do so.

WendyPotter December 31st, 2007 1:20 am

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Yeah, Bella enjoys killing and torture, not necessarily in that order, for her they are an end in themself, whereas for Voldemort, they are a means to an end.
She strikes me as a fierce, remorseless character, who enjoys seeing other suffer.
Her obsession with Voldemort is interesting, entirely twisted, really comes across strongly in the Order of the Phoenix movie and in Deathly Hallows when they are together. Can't help wondering what Rabastan/Rodolphus (can't remember which one) made of it though.
Something that really struck me about Bellatrix in Spinners' End was her assertion that if she had sons, she would be glad to give them to Voldemort, so Narcissa should be proud of Draco's serving Voldemort, no matter the cost. Somehow, it reminded me instantly of Lady MacBeth's insistence that she would kill her own infant if she had sworn to do so.

*shudders* That woman siriusly creeped me out. I think she was Voldemort's secret lover or something of the sort. Or at least she wanted to be. Completely demented, if you ask me...

~WendyPotter:rave:

Montse December 31st, 2007 1:42 am

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I think Bella is one of J.K.s best characters.She is the personification of evil,itself,only for the pleasure of it.Voldy had had a tough childhood,one could excuse him in a sense for being bad,but Bella,i can see her as a spoiled child,very like Dudley,and when grown found LV who offered her all sor t of eviltasks that would satisfy her evil desires and inclinations...The think with Bella is that she is a very real character,in our muggle world,so many people are bad for the sake of bieng bad,no one has ever hurt them and still they are bad.

I was thinking...maybe she did have a hard childhood,maybe her mother went gaga over cissy for beign pretty and never gave Bella the same affection...they are described as very different...this might have given her a reson for being so bad...

mariebeth83 December 31st, 2007 1:52 am

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I always found Bella the most interesting of the 'bad guys'. In terms of evilness, hers is, in my humble opinion, the most pure, because she seemed to thoroughly enjoy it and find emense pleasure in it. I'm not saying that anyone else did, but besides Voldemort (who I don't think ever had a real human emotion out of anything), she always came across to me as the one person who didn't have a conscience, the one person who would go all the way without even once stopping, even for a second, to think maybe she shouldn't. TBH, as a character I really liked her, purely for her lack of control and inability to be held down by anyone.


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