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dubbleB February 28th, 2007 2:53 pm

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just ask yourself? how many childrens books are there where the hero dies? you must remeber that children of 10,11,12 must be able to enjoy it too
I think it will be dramatic enough to let jet another friend of Harry die .

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:huh: Uhm.. doesn't this just mean that they both can't live, not that they both can't die. I.e., they can both be dead, but not both be alive.

I think Harry's going to die killing LV. E.g., Harry pulls LV through the curtain with him or something like that, so they die together.

again: neither can live while the other survives
lets get our handy dictionary
survive–verb (used without object) 1. to remain alive after the death of someone, the cessation of something, or the occurrence of some event; continue to live: Few survived after the holocaust.

Sasblack February 28th, 2007 3:23 pm

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While I respect the opinion that many people have expressed that Harry Potter is a children’s book and as such it would be inappropriate to kill the main character I have to say that I do feel that any suggestion that Killing Harry would cause children to not enjoy the book is doing children everywhere a huge disservice.

JKR shows throughout the series that some things are worth dying for. Lily dies for Harry and we see loads of examples of members of the Order who are killed or who die fighting Voldemort. One of the great tragedies of war is that it claims the lives of good and noble people, innocents like Cedric Diggory, people who have no choice but to become involved as well as fighters like the members of the Order.

We teach children as young as eight about the second world war, a conflict which cost countless lives and children are able to recognise the sacrifice made by those who died and to understand why they chose to fight (and yes I know that not all 2nd world war soldiers chose to be involved hence my point about innocents and those with no choice)

JKR is a good enough writer so show as she has done already that death, while tragic and needless in many cases is part of life and she sensitively handles each case, I do not think that if she chooses to kill Harry that she will handle it in such a way as to leave people upset without understanding the reasons and heroism behind the death as she has done with so many others.

Let us also not forget that she deals with some very touchy subjects which many children’s writers would shy away from and that this is one of the reasons why an adult audience can also appreciate the books on so many levels and why the intense and deep debate we are able to enjoy is possible.

I do not think that we can rule out Harry’s death merely because this is a children’s book.

cybereality February 28th, 2007 4:01 pm

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I believe Harry will in fact die. Even though people have sacrificed their lives just so Harry could live, doesn't mean they wouldn't want him to show that same nobility and courage, to save those he loves. This would be selfish on their part, to expect him to protect his own life above all other cares.

I have read posts about Ginny being the completion in Harry's life, of how she is the key to a family and future for Harry after the battle. Harry has always been driven by courage, self-sacrifice, and some semblance of vengeance. I really can't see his character settling down with a family life, when there would still be evil in the world. Even with Voldemort gone, evil will still remain. I again would find it selfish on his part to just drop his defining characteristics to indulge in this kind of life, when there could potentially be others in the world suffering. If he chose to live out through both lives, marriage/family - noble crusading, wouldn't this in of itself also be selfish? He could not devote himself to one facet, without his other calling there in the background. It is selfish to put ones personal needs and desires above a greater good.

The characteristics that define Harry, position him to perform a noble sacrifice for wizardkind. It would be his defining moment and bring the story full circle. "The Boy Who Lived" , and yes he did live, probably better than most, through his own sense of perserverance, courage and nobility.

I would be saddened if he actually did make it through alive, it would destroy the theme JKR has created.

sparkly February 28th, 2007 5:00 pm

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I believe Harry will in fact die. Even though people have sacrificed their lives just so Harry could live, doesn't mean they wouldn't want him to show that same nobility and courage, to save those he loves. This would be selfish on their part, to expect him to protect his own life above all other cares.

But that's not what the book says. Remus tells Harry that his parents sacrificed their lives so he can live. If he can find a way to defeat Voldermort and still survive, that's what they would want. Of course Harry is willing to die to destroy Voldermort, but the prophecy strongly indicates that one of the two will survive. It's not going to be Voldermort, so the survivor will be Harry.

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I have read posts about Ginny being the completion in Harry's life, of how she is the key to a family and future for Harry after the battle. Harry has always been driven by courage, self-sacrifice, and some semblance of vengeance. I really can't see his character settling down with a family life, when there would still be evil in the world. Even with Voldemort gone, evil will still remain. I again would find it selfish on his part to just drop his defining characteristics to indulge in this kind of life, when there could potentially be others in the world suffering. If he chose to live out through both lives, marriage/family - noble crusading, wouldn't this in of itself also be selfish? He could not devote himself to one facet, without his other calling there in the background. It is selfish to put ones personal needs and desires above a greater good.
I don't see how Harry is selfish for living a normal life after Voldermort is gone, unless your envisioning him trying to alleviate other suffering in the world. However, there's been no indication in the books that Harry aspires to become some kind of Superman, unable to have a normal life because he's too busy fighting crime. Harry sees his family in the Mirror of Erised, not a world free of suffering, and there's been no indication in the books that Harry wants to become a type of caped crusader.

JKR has not written Harry as a superhero and it's highly doubtful he'll end up that way. Instead, she's repeatedly shown that Harry wants to be normal, that he dislikes the life he's been given, and he wants Voldermort gone because that's the one thing preventing him, Harry, from being normal. She's transitioned Harry from looking back to what he's lost to looking forward to what he can have, and I can't see her taking away his deepest desire so he can save the world.

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The characteristics that define Harry, position him to perform a noble sacrifice for wizardkind. It would be his defining moment and bring the story full circle. "The Boy Who Lived" , and yes he did live, probably better than most, through his own sense of perserverance, courage and nobility.

I would be saddened if he actually did make it through alive, it would destroy the theme JKR has created.
I don't think that's a realistic perspective on the Harry that JKR has created, and I don't think she's developed sacrifice for the sake of wizardkind as a primary theme. Harry's parents died protecting their son because they loved him. Sirius died because he was reckless. We're not sure why Dumbledore died - there's a bunch of possible reasons, but he didn't die as a sacrifice.

JKR is developing the theme that love is the most powerful weapon that can be used against evil, and Harry dying doesn't advance that theme. He is the product of love, and he needs to use the love he feels for others and others feel for him to destroy Voldermort. If Harry were to die, the theme she's developing would be diminished.

EWells2188 February 28th, 2007 5:14 pm

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As is commonly known to every Harry Potter fan, one or more of the main characters is going to die in the seventh novel of the series, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows. There are many people who claim that Harry Potter and Lord Voldemort are the only two logical deaths that would occur in book seven, however, I only agree with half of this prediction. Lord Voldemort is sure to die and the reason I think this is because J.K. Rowling has followed the traditional themes of literature since the very first book. If J.K. Rowling is to continue following these traditional themes of literature, I think it is dafe to say that the vil villain has to die. The protagonist of the story cannot possibly perish. Another character that I think will die is Hagrid. Hagrid has been one of the main characters in the Harry Potter series since Sorcerer’s Stone and extremely essential to the storyline; therefore, I think that Hagrid will most likely die while aiding the Order of the Phoenix. I think that another character that will die, though less essential, will be Lupin. He was Sirius’ and James’ best friend and since James and Sirius are already dead, I think it is only logical that Lupin will also probably die.

pensieve_master February 28th, 2007 7:09 pm

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When Rowling gave Harry Ginny, she gave him a life after DH. Ginny is Harry's character completion. She fufills his greatest desire, family. Through her he can marry into the Weasley's, as well as start his own family.

Also, we see through Dumbledore it is posible to continue living a life after defeating a powerful dark wizard. This along with the Ginny plotline makes me believe Harry will survive DH.

Yes, well done. I agree.

I do not see how JKR could kill off "the boy who lived". It just doesn't work. There is no way Valdemort wins in the end (evil triumphs over good???). And, it is too miserable an ending for Harry to have lived a life of abuse and neglect only to have it end in death for him.

TRIWIZARD February 28th, 2007 8:32 pm

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Quite simply - no. I don't think JK will kill him off. Years from now everyone who reads the book would already know ahead of time that Harry gets killed in the end simply by seeing the movie. We don't know now because we're reading it in the making.

Who would kill a hero?

smyonson February 28th, 2007 8:55 pm

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I don't think that Harry will die in the final book, but I do believe that he will be greatly changed from this ordeal. As many characthers are. He has spent the better half of his life with this final confrontation always looming. Now that it will be complete his life/purpose will have completely changed, but I think he will do well in the fact of just being a loving friend, husband and father. (Prehaps he will follow in Mr. Weasly's steps)

Mr_Watson February 28th, 2007 10:29 pm

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But that's not what the book says. Remus tells Harry that his parents sacrificed their lives so he can live. If he can find a way to defeat Voldermort and still survive, that's what they would want. Of course Harry is willing to die to destroy Voldermort, but the prophecy strongly indicates that one of the two will survive. It's not going to be Voldermort, so the survivor will be Harry.

Actually, it just says that they both can't live at the same time, not that one of them has to survive. And you're forgetting on crucial conversation between Dumbledore and Harry in The Half-Blood Prince:

"But, sir, it all comes to the same thing, doesn't it? I've got to try and kill him, or —" "Got to? Of course you've got to! But not because of the prophecy! Because you, yourself, will never rest until you've tried! We both know it! Imagine, please, just for a moment, that you had never heard that prophecy! How would you feel about Voldemort now? Think!"

Harry watched Dumbledore striding up and down in front ol him, and thought. He thought of his mother, his father, and Sirius. He thought of Cedric Diggory. He thought of all the terrible deeds he knew Lord Voldemort had done. A flame seemed to leap inside his chest, searing his throat.

"I'd want him finished," said Harry quietly. "And I'd want to do it."
"Of course you would!" cried Dumbledore. "You see, the prophecy does not mean you have to do anything! But the prophecy caused Lord Voldemort to mark you as his equal. ... In other words, you are free to choose your way, quite free to turn your back on the prophecy! But Voldemort continues to set
store by the prophecy. He will continue to hunt you . . . which makes it certain, really, that —"

"That one of us is going to end up killing the other," said Harry. "Yes."


I always though Harry would die...of course, I don't want that to happen, but you have to understand that the prophecy does not say that one of them has to LIVE, but that one of them has to DIE. So basically, there are 3 possible endings:
1) Harry kills Voldy and lives happily ever after. - I don't see this happening. JKR said that she would kill off one of the main characters in the novel. Frankly, I don't see Ron or Hermione dying. And this is the last book...the story will have to end. If Harry lives, she can't really end it, because people will want info on what happens next, how does Harry live and so one. The thing I'll say next, I won't say to defend my theory or whatever, it's just a side note: People WILL try to make money on Harry Potter after the last book. Some wannabe writers WILL try to continue the story so crazed Potter fans would buy them like mad and read them.

2) Voldy kills Harry and rules the world - I don't have to say much here, do I? This would just be plain retarded... All the struggle through 7 books just so Voldy would win in the end...

3) Harry and Voldy kill each other in the final battle - Now, this one I strongly believe in. In the end of the final battle, they kill each other off with one final course. I won't say Avada Kedavra, I doubt that Harry would use that. Anyways, Harry rids the world of Voldys evil, and Voldy, by killing Harry, turns him into a hero that will be remembered trough history as the one who gave his life to kill the most powerful dark wizard of all times. That way, his name forever stays in the wizarding world, where he really belongs, and ends the series for sure.

I don't want the third option to come true, I think no-one does, but I just find that theory the most plausible. Of course, this is only my opinion...I might be tragically wrong :D

hagrids_wench March 1st, 2007 1:41 am

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JKR shows throughout the series that some things are worth dying for. Lily dies for Harry and we see loads of examples of members of the Order who are killed or who die fighting Voldemort.
You mention Cedric, whom I enjoyed as a character,however, I was not as attached to him as I was Dumbledore. I guess that I have to agree that JKR handled it well and there was really no reason why she wouldn't have. I think the these books have done a lot to teach young people about loyalty and trust and what you do for your friends. When so much in the world does not. However

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We teach children as young as eight about the second world war, a conflict which cost countless lives and children are able to recognise the sacrifice made by those who died and to understand why they chose to fight (and yes I know that not all 2nd world war soldiers chose to be involved hence my point about innocents and those with no choice)
Unless a child is born and lives in a country torn by war or has a parent who is overseas at this time do you really think they "understand" the premise? When children learn about WWII, or for that matter any war, they are learning about places they have never been and people they have never known. History is a story to kids and kids love stories and they relate to them even if they don't have personal experience. But the stories they read in History class are short and they don't become attached to the "characters". They also get good marks if they remember the players.

I think war is, to them, something on their Play Station II, a movie, or television news (and that often looks like a PSII game too). I know that my eight year old grandson has not attained the concept that you seem to be alluding to. And I know he would not understand why Harry Potter "The Good Guy" lost and Voldemort "The Bad Guy" walked away.

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I would be saddened if he actually did make it through alive, it would destroy the theme JKR has created.
Although I can sorta kinda see where your coming from we aren't reading Dostoyevsky,Tolstoy,Chekhov or even Beowulf. This is JK Rowling and even though I believe that her books will be classics I hope they aren't meant to be a socio/pyscho treatise on the hopelessness of good fighting evil. Because a lot of her young audience will not get it and will probably feel betrayed. I cannot see what the point of a seven volume series about the "boy who didn't die" and continually fought to live would make if she clocked him in the end.

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If Harry lives, she can't really end it, because people will want info on what happens next, how does Harry live and so one.
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle went through much the same agony trying to rid himself of Sherlock Holmes. Something tells me that JK Rowling has a lot more backbone than Doyle. (She has made a lot more money too. So she can let people whine for more Harry and still roll over and go back to a well earned nap)

As far as anyone writing anything even closely related to her books they would have to have permission and I am betting she wouldn't give it. You cannot improve on the original and these books are some of the best in children's literature in a long time.

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JKR has not written Harry as a superhero and it's highly doubtful he'll end up that way. Instead, she's repeatedly shown that Harry wants to be normal, that he dislikes the life he's been given, and he wants Voldermort gone because that's the one thing preventing him, Harry, from being normal. She's transitioned Harry from looking back to what he's lost to looking forward to what he can have, and I can't see her taking away his deepest desire so he can save the world.

I see Harry as a good kid with a little "extra" and if anyone deserves a peaceful life it is Harry. He grew up in a nasty home environment and even though he loves Hogwarts it has been one crisis after another. I don't know if he dislikes everything about the life he has but it seems as though he would like to be a 'normal' wizard with a fairly quiet life. Whatever quiet life is to a Wizard.

I would hate to think that because this series ,in the end, appealed to adults capable of deeper thinking that JKR would feel obligated or swayed to write an ending that we could forever debate the depths of instead of sticking to what she started with. IMHO that would be the triumph of Good over Evil and I really don't think that she needs to rid herself of Harry to do it.

I would be thoroughly disgusted, I am sure she wouldn't care, and I would still be thoroughly disgusted.:grumble:

GryffSolider March 1st, 2007 4:17 am

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I will agree with you on this. I believe Harry will die. He almost has to. Not nessasarily due to the prophecy but just because the series (to me) has lead him to this critical point. He will have to choose (as DD so lovingly put it) between what is right and what is easy.



The easy way is too die, IMHO. Like I posted before, Harry one lasting quality is his endless supply of courage, and the most couageous thing would be too live, move on beyond the death and ugliness that was been in his face since he was a year old.

Nairobi_Dawn March 1st, 2007 4:45 am

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The easy way is too die, IMHO. Like I posted before, Harry one lasting quality is his endless supply of courage, and the most couageous thing would be too live, move on beyond the death and ugliness that was been in his face since he was a year old.

I have been up and down the road on this one before. We can speculate all we want...Which is so much fun :p , but it could really go either way! (Which gets back to the fun part!!!)

I would LOVE to see him live, have a family with Ginny, do cool married couples friends things with Ron and Hermione, but if he has to die...I will have to grieve for him, and go through a mourning process the likes of which neither Dumbledore or Sirius have ever seen!!!!

BTW: I love your conversation between Bellatrix and Voldemort!!!

Sasblack March 1st, 2007 1:57 pm

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Unless a child is born and lives in a country torn by war or has a parent who is overseas at this time do you really think they "understand" the premise? When children learn about WWII, or for that matter any war, they are learning about places they have never been and people they have never known. History is a story to kids and kids love stories and they relate to them even if they don't have personal experience. But the stories they read in History class are short and they don't become attached to the "characters". They also get good marks if they remember the players.

I think war is, to them, something on their Play Station II, a movie, or television news (and that often looks like a PSII game too). I know that my eight year old grandson has not attained the concept that you seem to be alluding to. And I know he would not understand why Harry Potter "The Good Guy" lost and Voldemort "The Bad Guy" walked away.



I am afraid I have to disagree with you. I am a primary school teacher (with terrible spelling i add!) and the kids I teach are always very moved by the lessons we do about the war. I think it depends on how you teach it and i think that there has to be an element of role play involved to really bring it home. I think a lot of kids can in some way identify with Harry and so were he to die they would feel it.

I am a firm believer that children can understand anything if it is explained to them properly and if as you say, a child is left puzzled, upset or confused by the ending then they will ask their parents who then have a wonderful opportunity to deepen their understanding. JKR has never dumbed down her langauge or style for children so why would she do it with her content?

I am not attacking you personally here and i respect what you are saying, you clearly have experience with children and I am in no way suggesting that my own views are better.

However, it annoys me when people "dumb down" for children or don't credit them with the ability to understand things simply because of their age. It varies wildly from child to child and surely it is always better to cater for those with a greater knowledge or understanding and assist the rest to reach that level with appropriate sensitivity and help, understanding limits but not blanket applying them to all?

This is probably very off topic, i apologise.

SusanBones March 1st, 2007 2:13 pm

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I can't think of too many books in which the hero dies. In fact, I can't think of any, but if someone would like to list a few, I would like to see what they are about.

Anyway, it just wouldn't seem fair to have an orphan who slept in a closet for ten years, then spent his school years with the greatest Dark Wizard of his age trying to kill him, die at the end of the story. Harry needs to go on into adulthood. Someday he will have to help the next "Chosen One" defeat the next Dark Wizard that comes along. He has to be alive in order to be a mentor for that person. Because, as Dumbledore said, you can't eliminate evil.

BurrowGhoul March 1st, 2007 3:07 pm

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I can't think of too many books in which the hero dies. In fact, I can't think of any, but if someone would like to list a few, I would like to see what they are about.

The Bible.

SusanBones March 1st, 2007 3:12 pm

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The Bible.

Good one :lol: There are also a lot of stories about the lives of the saints that fit that definition, too.

I guess I should have been a little clearer. I don't know too many books in this genre in which the hero dies. I am not saying they aren't out there, because I know that they exist. I know that Sherlock Holmes is one of them. Any other ones?

hagrids_wench March 1st, 2007 4:13 pm

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I am afraid I have to disagree with you. I am a primary school teacher (with terrible spelling i add!) and the kids I teach are always very moved by the lessons we do about the war. I think it depends on how you teach it and i think that there has to be an element of role play involved to really bring it home. I think a lot of kids can in some way identify with Harry and so were he to die they would feel it.

:lol: Oh but I agree with you. There is no doubt, whatsoever in my mind, that children and apparently adults of all ages identify with Harry and his friends and even his enemies. It is always dependent upon how things are presented and taught to children or adolescents as to whether or not they assimilate or identify with what they are presented with. And do so in a healthy way. My grandmother, 94 yrs old this spring, was a primary school teacher too, I have a great love for teacher-people. Her first love was first grade even though she had taught all grade levels. She is the one who read me all the classics (Alive, Willows, Poppins, you name it). I am sure that Harry would have been something she would have made sure that I grew up with if he had existed then.

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However, it annoys me when people "dumb down" for children or don't credit them with the ability to understand things simply because of their age. It varies wildly from child to child and surely it is always better to cater for those with a greater knowledge or understanding and assist the rest to reach that level with appropriate sensitivity and help, understanding limits but not blanket applying them to all?

Again I agree with you. Todays child is much more sophisticated than my generation's children were. However, I don't know if I think that is a good thing but there it is and it has to be dealt with accordingly and intelligently.

My grandson's concept of so much around him and his opinions are far older than his years. It is unfortunate that children are not allowed to remain children a little longer. The media and society in general have seen to that.

Thus, I do not understand why Harry Potter's death would be a fulfilling thing or a good thing. It has never seemed to me that that was the author's intention and yet many people here seem to think that is the only way the ending would make sense. I will have to begin paying attention to the age groups of the posters that feel that way. Sociologically I expect it would be interesting.

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I am not attacking you personally here and i respect what you are saying, you clearly have experience with children and I am in no way suggesting that my own views are better.
:lol: No worries. Never felt attacked by a good discussion.


Back on topic though...before the Unspeakables eat our eyeballs for lunch.

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I can't think of too many books in which the hero dies. In fact, I can't think of any, but if someone would like to list a few, I would like to see what they are about.

SusanBones111, like your name, doesn't make me as hungry as KidneyPie though.:drool:

I can think of one right off the top of my head right now but it would probably be a spoiler so I guess I shouldn't say it. But I agree with you there really aren't many out there. Even Dickens spent more time killing off peripheral characters than he did heroes.

I would be interested in knowing what JKR thinks of threads like these. Do you suppose she ever peeks?

In any case I do not believe that Harry dies in the Deathly Hallows. I do believe that he will be a very changed young man. I do believe I will lose Hagrid, and possibly one of the Weasleys and I have a feeling Snape will somehow redeem himself and do it by giving his life. Possibly Draco and I would even feel badly about that as he is a young person trying to gain the attention of a rather nasty parent. (Even though Lucius and I have the same hair)

I have an attachment to all the characters on some level whether good or bad and will feel badly for any of them being lost.

But not Voldemort. He is going down. And I will get up and do the Happy Dance when he does.

Voldemort dies in the Deathly Hallows, he has to, otherwise what possible sense does anything JKR has written make???

Good fights Evil and Evil wins?

One cannot live while the other survives. I can count to one. I see one person going down. And I do not think that Harry giving up his life in order to destroy Voldemort would be fulfilling the prophecy.

But I have been wrong before...I think it was September of 1974 but I have conveniently forgotten the date.

Sasblack March 1st, 2007 4:21 pm

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[quote=SusanBones111;4372324]I can't think of too many books in which the hero dies. In fact, I can't think of any, but if someone would like to list a few, I would like to see what they are about.

Lord of the Rings (while not strictly a children's book)

Charlottes Web is another good example

The Lion The Witch and The Wardrobe - although Aslan does come back to life

Little Women - i was read this as a child and so I think of it as a kiddie book

i think there must be more.

SusanBones March 1st, 2007 4:51 pm

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Lord of the Rings (while not strictly a children's book)

Charlottes Web is another good example

The Lion The Witch and The Wardrobe - although Aslan does come back to life

Little Women - i was read this as a child and so I think of it as a kiddie book

i think there must be more.

Thanks for your response. I have only seen the Lord of the Rings movies, so I am not familiar with the books. I do know that Frodo survives the task of saving the ring.

I must be one of the few people who made it through childhood without reading Charlotte's Web. But you are right. I have heard that the hero dies in that one.

I am not sure which character compares to Harry in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.

Beth dies in Little Women. I consider Jo to be the main character of that book. But yes, one of the "Little Women" dies. In fact, there are a lot of children's books with a death of a loved one in it. We have "The Little Princess" in which the father has died and the daughter is left penniless and at the mercy of the boarding school. Another book by the same author, "The Secret Garden", has an orphan and a child without a mother who has been ignored by the father.These stories are of children triumphing over adversity. I think Harry is similiar in this theme.

Thanks for the book list. Maybe I should read Charlotte's Web. I think one of the kids has left it on the bookshelf. :lol:

I wonder if the prophecy would have been worded differently if JKR was setting the story up to have the hero sacrifice his life in order to save the world.
Instead of the line: "either must die at the hand of the other" - which means one or the other -
the prophecy would have said something like - "and the one will give his life in order to kill the other".

It would prepare the readers for the possiblilty that Harry would sacrifice himself in order to save everyone else.

I think that prophecy indicates that it is a one or the other kind of thing, not both of them.

sparkly March 1st, 2007 5:02 pm

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I can't think of too many books in which the hero dies. In fact, I can't think of any, but if someone would like to list a few, I would like to see what they are about.

Lord of the Rings (while not strictly a children's book)

Charlottes Web is another good example

The Lion The Witch and The Wardrobe - although Aslan does come back to life

Little Women - i was read this as a child and so I think of it as a kiddie book

i think there must be more.

The hero doesn't die in the Lord of the Rings. Frodo left Middle-earth but he did not die.

The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe - Aslan is not really the hero - the children are the heroes. Aslan is intended to be a Christ-like figure. Harry Potter doesn't have a similar character.

In Little Women, the hero is not Beth, it's Jo.

Never read Charlotte's Web.


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