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improvkari March 21st, 2011 9:46 am

Downton Abbey - contains spoilers for season 4
 
Thought I'd see who has seen last year's Masterpiece Classics series Downton Abbey, featuring Dame Maggie Smith.

Set just after the sinking of the Titanic, a well-to-do family struggles to keep their British country side estate after the death of an heir. With brilliant acting and scandals from the upstairs and downstairs, I was hooked from the first episode.

I hear talk of a second episode being filmed now, to air in the fall. :)

If you've seen it, any predictions on how the family will react to the start of WWI?

:)

Liselle March 21st, 2011 10:05 pm

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Shocked that there's no thread on this because really, I thought it was exceptionally good TV - if a little rose tinted glasses.

I think the cast all round is wonderful - although I do dislike Mary which I am pretty sure isn't the point, aren't we meant to empathise with her or something?! Hugh Bonneville is wonderful as is Maggie Smith - that's nothing new though, she is wonderfully imperious as the Dowager Lady Grantham.

Season 2 is being filmed I believe at the moment or if not so it's about to start, apparently they're going to keep it to the two seasons only.

improvkari March 22nd, 2011 12:46 am

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You know, I didn't like Mary very much either. I like being torn about her and her decisions. She keeps the show interesting.

I was a much bigger fan of Sybil!

Can't wait for a second season.

P.S. My favorite line is "What is a weekend?" :D

Muggle_Magic March 23rd, 2011 8:08 am

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Originally Posted by Liselle (Post 5713134)
Shocked that there's no thread on this because really, I thought it was exceptionally good TV - if a little rose tinted glasses.

Yes, me too, I'm surprised to see a thread begun only now and with only a couple of responses to it.

Rose-tinted glasses, really? :hmm:

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Hugh Bonneville is wonderful as is Maggie Smith - that's nothing new though, she is wonderfully imperious as the Dowager Lady Grantham.
She's just perfect!

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Season 2 is being filmed I believe at the moment or if not so it's about to start, apparently they're going to keep it to the two seasons only.
Why two only? Hope they change their minds if the second season is a big hit.

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P.S. My favorite line is "What is a weekend?" :D

That was such a great line!!! :rotfl:

I also like the evolving social mores, the maid who wants to be a secretary, and Lady Grantham wondering why a young low-born girl would want to leave a good position in an aristocratic household to work in an office. :lol:

improvkari March 23rd, 2011 8:51 am

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I think the sweetest friendship/romance is Bates and Anna. It's grown out of empathy and understanding.

The most irritating (in the best way) is Matthew and Mary. I'm very proud of him for leaving.

On another note, after the first episode I thought that Tom was going to be an underdog character I'd root for. I was surprised and actually sort of excited to see the turn his character took - for the worse. He sometimes seems misunderstood...and sometimes just terrible to the others - upstairs and downstairs.

P.S. O'Brein looks like Alice from The Brady Bunch.

Hes March 27th, 2011 11:06 am

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I've only seen the first episode so far but I like it. Favourites are Grantham, Sybil (who seems to have some sense), Anna and Bates.

O'Brien... I already hate her.

improvkari March 28th, 2011 6:30 pm

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Anna and Bates

I'm a fan of them too...

Honestly, I didn't fully trust Bates after the first episode, but I wanted to know more. Now he's definitely a favorite. I admire Bates' courage and Anna's compassion. :)

sarah1234 March 30th, 2011 1:12 am

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i really liked the series . i have never seen a series like this before . Mary is kind of annoying as she always makes the wrong choices but it is entertaining to watch . I did not know they where only keeping it for two seasons hopefully that will change if not hope that is has good ending .

sekhmetlion March 30th, 2011 2:42 am

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I have watched today the fifth or sixth episode, not sure. It is a great show, and Maggie Smith acts really good. I love the faces she makes when confronting Mrs. Crowley, and her lines are the best of the show. "What is a weekend?" I couldn't avoid laughing when I heard that, but there are many others quite good too.

I don't like Mary, not that I hate her, but it is difficult for me to empathize with a woman who has nearly everything (except perhaps some restrictions when choosing a husband?) and is always choosing to act like a child, she is not good with her sister Edith either (not that Edith is a saint).

Bates and Anna: lovely couple, my favourite.

improvkari March 30th, 2011 7:34 am

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Ya I'm getting the feeling that we are supposed to feel torn about Mary. I agree, she is so childish sometimes!

sekhmetlion April 2nd, 2011 12:31 am

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Ya I'm getting the feeling that we are supposed to feel torn about Mary. I agree, she is so childish sometimes!
And a selfish child, which is worse.

decarus April 2nd, 2011 4:41 am

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Mary really grew on me though. I mean she was annoying at first but i think by the end she knew that she was annoying and she was doing better. She really wanted the guy to chose her. There was definite character growth there and i think it was good.

Rastaban43 April 2nd, 2011 8:22 am

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I liked it quite a lot and look forward to seeing the second series. In the meantime, you guys should check out Uptown Downstairs Abbey for absolute hilarity:




improvkari April 3rd, 2011 6:41 am

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Those are great! Thanks for sharing! :lol:

Hes April 3rd, 2011 11:08 am

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They definitely captured O'Brien and Thomas right :lol:

improvkari April 3rd, 2011 6:10 pm

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And the stair bit in part 2 was hilarious!

Desraelda April 7th, 2011 2:13 am

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I got the unabridged British version on DVD. Apparently they edited the US showings. I haven't had a chance to watch it, though.

It reminds me very much of Upstairs Downstairs, but the DVD was so much cheaper than U.D.

Prince659 April 7th, 2011 8:13 pm

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They put Downton Abbey on Netflix to watch online, in case anyone wants to watch it there. :)

It's a great show, but I just know they're going to kill somebody in the war. My bets are on either William or Branson...which would suck because Branson is my favorite character along with Grantham and Sybil. I really hate Mary and O'Brien, and I hope that Mary doesn't end up with Matthew. He's too good for her.

Rastaban43 April 8th, 2011 4:45 pm

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For US viewers, Masterpiece is airing the revival of Upstairs Downstairs starting Sunday.

improvkari April 12th, 2011 1:48 am

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Originally Posted by Rastaban43 (Post 5722180)
For US viewers, Masterpiece is airing the revival of Upstairs Downstairs starting Sunday.

Unfortunately I don't see this listed here. :hmm: I would love to start watching it though, as it sounds like it is very similar to DA! :love:

Sesame Street

Sesame Street

Upstairs Downstairs :lol:

improvkari April 20th, 2011 6:24 am

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Finally watched episodes 1 and 2 of the new Upstairs Downstairs.

I'm impressed. I really do enjoy this show. I'm interested in the time period and the happenings.

However, I am much more invested in the characters of Downton Abbey.

wicked87 July 24th, 2011 7:27 am

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I've decided to revive this thread since I just finished watching the first season in like 3 days and I'm obsessed! All of the characters (except Tom and Daisy, loathe them) are so interesting and exciting to watch.

Am I the only one rooting for Branson and Sybill? I also love Anna and Bates, but I think Bates it toying with Anna a little bit.

Of course, Maggie Smith is so wonderful in this, and she has the best lines. Some favs:

-"So stick that in your pipe and smoke it"
-"My maid is apparently leaving me to get married. How can she be so selfish?"

Moriath August 4th, 2011 7:05 pm

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I can't wait for this show to return. From what I've seen, we're in for a few surprises.

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Bates' wife is supposed to make an appearance. And there is going to be a wedding and a funeral. :wow:

Saloca August 4th, 2011 8:58 pm

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Loved this first time around! Very well written and filmed, I love a good period drama. They cast well and the 2nd season sounds like it will be just as good, if not better.

Hopefully this time around they won't lose a BAFTA to 'The only way is Essex'!

Moriath September 5th, 2011 10:31 pm

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Has anyone seen the new promo? It looks amazing! I wish they were more precise about the air date though.

Hes September 6th, 2011 8:33 am

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Can't wait! On wiki they are saying it will start September 18th and ends november 6th. I presume that's correct.

decarus September 6th, 2011 4:14 pm

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I liked this show. I am glad it is coming back. The promo looks good. I wonder if they will kill off the father. That is sort of where i think it should lead. It would cause the conflict of inheritance as well as force the cousin to step up and decide to either take over the estate or not. Looking forward to it.

decarus September 19th, 2011 9:17 pm

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I just watched the new episode. There seemed to be a very large time gap in there. Not very much seemed to happen in this episode so i hope we get more in the next one.

Moriath September 20th, 2011 7:14 am

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I thought it was a very exciting series two opener. Mary broke my heart with her little pale face! Matthew moving on is the saddest thing ever. And still, he looked more at her than at his fiancée. But how dare he ask Mary to look after her? These two are sooooo blind. :argh:

Daisy kissed William! :love:

And Branson confessed his love! It was a long time coming. I'm glad she refused to answer though. Sybil is progressive in her thoughts and deeds but she's also an earl's daughter. She knows that she would lose everything if she agreed to marry an Irish socialist chauffeur. I don't think he quite understands what he was asking of her.

Poor Bates. Poor Anna. But I do love to see Maria Doyle Kennedy on the show, so a part of me hopes that Mrs Bates will remain in the picture for a while.

Pearl_Took September 20th, 2011 11:01 am

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OK, I watched the first episode of the new series on Sunday night and now I understand why this show has such a devoted following. :)

Brilliant evocation of a lost way of life. And now that they're in the middle of WW1, huge social changes are on their way. :cool:

Michelle Dockery is gorgeous. :yuhup:

And Dame Maggie! How I love Dame Maggie. In anything. :love:

The war scenes were very well done and very moving.

decarus September 20th, 2011 6:50 pm

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I think the reason i feel like so little happen was because they just added more problems or sort of revisited the same old problems and there was no resolution with any of them. Matthew and Marry are still pretending that they are not going to end up together. Bates is still married and not with Anna. Sybil and Branson are still having their same issues of class. At least Sybil began to do something which was very nice to see. Dame Maggie and Matthew's mother are still arguing a bit though there was a moment of agreements.

I really liked this episode and enjoyed it. I just feel like the characters are all in the same place as they were before. At least for the most part.

Moriath September 21st, 2011 9:33 am

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Originally Posted by decarus (Post 5882183)
I think the reason i feel like so little happen was because they just added more problems or sort of revisited the same old problems and there was no resolution with any of them. Matthew and Marry are still pretending that they are not going to end up together. Bates is still married and not with Anna. Sybil and Branson are still having their same issues of class. At least Sybil began to do something which was very nice to see. Dame Maggie and Matthew's mother are still arguing a bit though there was a moment of agreements.

Well, to be fair, they added lots of new things and characters and the series needs some continuity. Also, like Violet I am not fond of Greek drama where everything happens off stage. I would have been severely disappointed if Matthew and Mary had resolved their issues, Sybil and Branson had started dating and Mrs Crawley and Lady Grantham had buried the hatchet in-between series.

And now there is a war going on with most of the male cast put in a different setting, we have a few new characters with Lavinia and Ethel, Eva Bates, and Sir Carlisle next week.

decarus September 21st, 2011 12:57 pm

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Oh i didn't want it to happen off stage, but i did think that something would happen in this episode. I still really enjoyed it. All i am saying is that they mostly reintroduced the characters which was fine. Is there only going to be two episodes?

Hes September 21st, 2011 1:13 pm

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There will be eight episodes and a Christmas special this season.

decarus September 21st, 2011 6:40 pm

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There will be eight episodes and a Christmas special this season.

Well that is good. I am sure there will be more movement next episode.

padfootrules September 22nd, 2011 7:22 pm

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Can someone what Mosley does in that scene when he tells the recruiting officer that he does have a lung condition. Is he lying to get out of war or does he really have a problem? I did not catch that... :) And I am kinda in love with the Irish chauffeur... feel soooo bad for him :(

Hes September 22nd, 2011 7:39 pm

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I am not sure. It felt like he didn't have the courage for it and thus wanted to get out of it. But it was hard to read.

Moriath September 22nd, 2011 8:46 pm

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Originally Posted by padfootrules (Post 5883912)
Can someone what Mosley does in that scene when he tells the recruiting officer that he does have a lung condition. Is he lying to get out of war or does he really have a problem? I did not catch that... :) And I am kinda in love with the Irish chauffeur... feel soooo bad for him :(

It isn't the recruiting officer, it's the local doctor, no? And he's supposed to send medical recommendations about the local men to the recruitment office. Lady Grantham lied about William and Molesley because William's father and Molesley probably asked her to. Molesley is clearly terrified of fighting. After Mrs Crawley exposed Lady Grantham's intervention, he goes and sees the doctor to let him know that it was not against his wishes. Quite on the contrary. And the doctor isn't a cruel man. He knows Molesley and lets him get away with it, on the condition that he supports the war in some other way.

decarus October 5th, 2011 4:07 am

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Well if you hated Mary at first you have to like her quite a bit more after this episode. If anything she has come off as much more reasonable then the rest of her family. They all have their own issues and can be very unreasonable. She at least seems reasonable at this point even though she was rude in the first series.

I feel like the version of this show i have been watching has scenes missing from it. Because there are no commercials during it when it plays in the US and it is longer then it has been. I have no idea. There have just been some abrupt cuts that have made me wonder.

Yoana October 10th, 2011 9:46 am

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I just watched episode 3 from series 2 and now my Downton Abbey marathon is complete.

I was hooked immediately, because I'm a sucker for costume drama; and then Matthew came along and was all dazzling and noble and kind, and I think his love story with Mary is completely believable, as they're both intelligent and inquisitive, and each other's equals. Anna and Mr. Bates' story is another huge asset; I sighed pretty much at every scene involving them - from the very start I could see why she would fall for him, I think I would have, too.

However, as the series progressed, and especially since the start of the second series, it resembles a soap opera more than the thoughtful period drama I took it to be at the beginning. All of the plot points and obstacles now seem to exist merely to create interpersonal drama between the characters, when they also served to move the larger plot forward before. Storylines are picked up and left off when they've exhausted their dramatic potential. I think it's become too heavy on the sensationalist plot twists and too light on the actual development of each story.

And something that annoys me less, but it's still irritating at times: I wish they'd actually engage with the serious issues they play with or not touch them at all. If they're going to incorporate a point about the human toll of war, do it properly instead of just scratching the surface and leaving at a few lines about everyone having lost someone and how everyone's scared, but it's their duty anyway. I just feel it's mostly fluff where it could have been something really provoking, and it vexes me. I find the resolutions of some conflicts very naive and Disney-esque, and the pronouncements on some issues extremely superficial and idealistic.

I guess I'd just like a little more turmoil, given proper time to pan out, more attention to separate potlines and the issues resulting thereof. To me, it seems like there's too much waste of good ideas and plot points in the hurried way in which everything is brought up and then abandoned.

padfootrules October 17th, 2011 3:46 am

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I really really hate Mrs Crawley...good lord if she were my mother, I would be glad to be in the frontlines facing death than this woman's ego...hmph... she is my least favourite character in the series. She is neither deliciously devious or the good guy with layers...she is just blah and worse she is a self righteous blah...argh! Rant over...:lol:

decarus October 17th, 2011 3:57 am

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Mrs. Crawley was alright in this episode. I think she called Mary heroic for looking after her son. She was only in the episode for like thirty seconds.

I hope that some of what happened in this episode gets worked out. I actually hope that Matthew is able to have children at least if not walk again. Though if the heir who they thought was on the titanic is not dead then who knows. Even if Matthew is not the heir it would still be nice if he and Mary could work it out. Then maybe the heir can get together with the second sister since she seems to want it so bad.

I am not sure where this show is leading after this episode, but i am glad that all of the characters are back in the same place for the most part.

Drusilla October 19th, 2011 5:15 pm

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I'm not a big Mrs Crawley fan, but I didn't mind her in the last episode.

decarus October 19th, 2011 7:27 pm

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I don't think Mrs. Crawley is much worse then the mother. They both are annoying in their own ways and yet i see where they are both coming from at the same time.

Also i dislike the third sister, Sibyl, being with the chauffeur. I don't really know what is going on there, but she could do better. He seems to have his own thing going on and it has little to do with her.

Moriath October 20th, 2011 5:45 pm

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I think my problem with Sybil and Branson is that it feels so forced. He tells her what to feel, she doesn't respond the way he wants. And the same scene seems to be repeated ad nauseam. Has their relationship gone anywhere since last season? I think not. And apparently a few years have passed.

decarus October 20th, 2011 7:49 pm

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Yeah, i agree. The Sybil/Branson relationship does feel very forced. And i don't quite get what she finds interesting about him because he seems radical in a way that is not good. I mean be radical if you want, but not like that. He is supposed to be out there anyways because he is a socialist. And sometimes i think he is trying to force the relationship because he believes that there should be no difference between the two of them and not because he really cares for her. The fact that there has been no change and it has been years doesn't help the matter.

I hope that doesn't go anywhere is all i am saying though i imagine it will.

decarus November 1st, 2011 1:32 am

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The last episode was great. I love the scene with Maggie Smith and Matthew. She just went in there and said it like it was and it was such a great scene and so good for it to be out there. Scenes like that are what i love about this show.

I also really liked the scene where Mary told off Carson even though she was wrong. Because you can see that she is scared of her fiance and doesn't know how to get out of it so she is trying to make the best of it and is embarrassed by the situation. I am hoping that her fiance runs off with Matthew's girl. There is clearly something going on with them that they are lying about and that would neatly solve both problems.

Maggie Smith is so right. Forty or fifty years together is not something to take lightly just because his fiance stuck with him in the moment. He was still rich and would be an Earl so it wasn't as if what she was doing was the worst thing ever. Certainly not to give her forty or fifty years.

I am also so glad that Sybil went back with Mary and Edith and that they found out in time to bring her back. I am still hoping that relationship doesn't go any further though i still think it will. Good episode all around.

Yoana November 1st, 2011 9:52 am

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I think I'm sort of in love with Matthew. That scene in series one where he says "Don't play with me" to Mary, hopeful and confident at the same time, my knees go weak just remembering it. There's something very attractive about such honourable straightforwardness.

Liselle November 12th, 2011 9:23 pm

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Originally Posted by Yoana (Post 5918568)
I think I'm sort of in love with Matthew. That scene in series one where he says "Don't play with me" to Mary, hopeful and confident at the same time, my knees go weak just remembering it. There's something very attractive about such honourable straightforwardness.

I think we're all a little bit in love with Matthew! I've slightly mixed feelings over all about the series but I come out on the side of ADORING it. Yes the time lines were a bit funny and there were an awful lot of extra story lines thrown in but it was enough to make me LONG for the xmas day special which I promise I will be watching!

The whole Matthew/Mary/Lavinia triangle was done well - there was a lot of stiff upper lip plus it was easy to dislike Richard so so so much. How un-likeable! I've come to the conclusion though

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that it will be Edith who ends up with Matthew as 1) there was the whole scene with her grandmother telling her that her time will come, 2) renew the tension between Mary and herself

decarus November 13th, 2011 1:30 am

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I have been hoping that Edith runs off with Mary's fiance. He would still get his good blood and Mary could be on her own to do what she wants.

PS. So we are not getting a new Downton Abbey until Christmas?

Yoana November 13th, 2011 12:09 pm

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I've come to the conclusion though

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that it will be Edith who ends up with Matthew as 1) there was the whole scene with her grandmother telling her that her time will come, 2) renew the tension between Mary and herself

Nooooo! No no no no! How could this happen at all?! I can't think of a way to make it likable OR believable. I really hope you're wrong (sorry!)

Hes November 13th, 2011 8:14 pm

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I don´t think Edith deserves Matthew and he definitely shouldn´t be saddled with someone like her. She´s pretty much my least favourite character.

Yoana November 13th, 2011 8:37 pm

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I don´t think Edith deserves Matthew and he definitely shouldn´t be saddled with someone like her. She´s pretty much my least favourite character.

Yeah, I'm not mad about her, either. But I sometimes do feel bad for her. Still, not bad enough to ever approve of that!

Moriath November 14th, 2011 10:08 am

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Edith became more likeable this series, as did Mary, but she's just so desperate. She and the married farmer? She and the badly burnt imposter? I mean, really, Edith, look at your life, look at your choices.
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If she ended up with Matthew I would be severely disappointed because it would mean he showed an interest and she just went with it because she is so desperate for love and adoration.

Yoana November 14th, 2011 11:59 am

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Edith became more likeable this series, as did Mary, but she's just so desperate. She and the married farmer? She and the badly burnt imposter? I mean, really, Edith, look at your life, look at your choices

Yeah, and it doesn't make much sense either - she has all the social advantages to get a good match during the London season. Marriage was much more of a transaction for the aristocracy on those days than for love or even attraction.

freelantzer December 21st, 2011 10:48 pm

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I just finished watching season one in about two days, and I love this show! They haven't aired the second season here, yet, so I have only season one comments. :D

I didn't read your comments on season two, but I did read what you said about season one, and I hate Thomas and OBrien so much! I was so happy when William punched him! And while I still hate OBrien, I'm glad it seemed she was guilt ridden after what she did to Cora. I also started out disliking Edith (is that the second sisters name?), but then i felt for her. Mary is so horrible to her and flaunts her position as the eldest and her looks over her. Mary lying to that old guy who was going to propose was unforgivable! Even if Edith told about Mary and that gorgeous Mr. Pamuk. The rumor was already out and it was true. But Mary didn't only hurt Edith but her suitor, too. I was starting to feel moments of sympathy for Mary until that. :no:

MissGryffindor December 24th, 2011 1:26 am

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I have seen season one and two and cannot WAIT until the Chritmas Special! Perhaps it is because I am of an age where Christmas presents no longer appear to be a surprise, but the thing I am most looking forward to on Christmas Day is the Downton Abbey Christmas Special!

I cannot wait to see if Mary/Matthew happens!!! I have seen a few trailers, and they have just got me more and more excited about this!!!

What I really love about this series is that the servants and the aristocrats seem to be given equal screen time, and so you are as invested in Anna/Bates as you are in Matthew/Mary.

Am counting the hours until the Christmas Special, and not until I open my presents. How pathetic am I?!

:)

Moriath December 28th, 2011 6:58 pm

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*flails* The Christmas special was fantastic. Nothing like series two, which was often too melodramatic and contrived. I was excited to see things moving along, especially the romantic plots. And I didn't miss Sybil and Branson at all. Finally, Matthew and Mary happened, and how beautifully done it was! So clichéd and yet so good.

Yoana December 29th, 2011 6:44 am

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*flails* The Christmas special was fantastic. Nothing like series two, which was often too melodramatic and contrived. I was excited to see things moving along, especially the romantic plots. And I didn't miss Sybil and Branson at all. Finally, Matthew and Mary happened, and how beautifully done it was! So clichéd and yet so good.

Yes yes yes. This is basically what I came here to say, almost word for word! I watched it last night and aww-ed myself into a stupor. And definitely a great improvement in quality over the other episodes in series two - I felt more thought was put into both the structure and style, the episode felt coherent and well-paced. I'm totally in love with Matthew. The actor is incredible at playing someone in love. Also, his is the character they didn't once screw up, in my opinion. So dreamy.

decarus December 29th, 2011 8:45 pm

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Does anyone else think that huge chunks of the past episodes, not the most current episode, but some of the past ones this series have been cut out? Maybe i am not watching the full versions, but they have seemed like pieces were missing.

freelantzer December 29th, 2011 9:38 pm

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Does anyone else think that huge chunks of the past episodes, not the most current episode, but some of the past ones this series have been cut out? Maybe i am not watching the full versions, but they have seemed like pieces were missing.

The one that aired in the US did have parts edited out. They combined episodes for some reason over here. :shrug:

decarus December 30th, 2011 12:45 am

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Well i don't think the second series has aired in the US yet. I just looked it up and it says next Sunday, January 8th, they will start airing, so the versions i have been watching have to be the UK versions and they just seem to have missing scenes. I will probably watch them again when they air in the US and see if they are different.

freelantzer December 30th, 2011 12:51 am

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Well i don't think the second series has aired in the US yet. I just looked it up and it says next Sunday, January 8th, they will start airing, so the versions i have been watching have to be the UK versions and they just seem to have missing scenes. I will probably watch them again when they air in the US and see if they are different.

Oh, no, the second series hasn't aired here yet. I was referring to the first series. I'm looking forward to season two in January! Did they have a Christmas special for the first season as well as the second? If so I never saw that one.

decarus December 30th, 2011 2:33 am

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Oh, no, the second series hasn't aired here yet. I was referring to the first series. I'm looking forward to season two in January! Did they have a Christmas special for the first season as well as the second? If so I never saw that one.

No. There wasn't a Christmas special for the first season just for the second season.

freelantzer December 30th, 2011 3:15 am

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No. There wasn't a Christmas special for the first season just for the second season.

Ok. Thanks for the info! :)

Yoana December 30th, 2011 6:55 am

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They did feel disjointed to me, but I think it was just poor writing.

HurrahforHermy January 3rd, 2012 3:29 am

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I watched the entire first season on TV here in Argentina, and then my dad got the second season on DVD when he travelled to England! :D I'm on episode 4 right now, and I love it just as much as I loved the first season. The thing I like the most about this series is that the characters are all quite complex and realistic to a certain extent; they all have flaws, none of them are all good or all bad.
I was SO SO SO mad when they made Edward (the wounded soldier Thomas was bonding with) kill himself. THEY MADE THOMAS CRY. And his crying made ME cry, because I'm a pathetic baby. (I know I'm not supposed to like him, but he was being NICE for once. He was happy. And now he's even more resentful than before. Anyway...enough with my rambling lol)
Anna and Bates seem too happy...dangerously happy. What's going to happen?! (don't tell me!!!)

decarus January 3rd, 2012 1:09 pm

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I am rewatching some of the first season of Downton and i forgot how nasty Mary is to Edith though nothing is as unforgivable, in my opinion, as Edith writing to the Turkish Embassy. I mean be nasty within the family, but always keep it in the family. The problem is that Edith is no match for Mary and Mary always ends up making her look foolish.

HurrahforHermy January 4th, 2012 3:46 am

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I am rewatching some of the first season of Downton and i forgot how nasty Mary is to Edith though nothing is as unforgivable, in my opinion, as Edith writing to the Turkish Embassy. I mean be nasty within the family, but always keep it in the family. The problem is that Edith is no match for Mary and Mary always ends up making her look foolish.

Yeah...although ruining her engagement was pretty bad too. Was that before or after Edith wrote to the Turkish Embassy? I can't remember...they are both pretty mean to each other though. I remember I really hated Mary in the first season, but somehow, I like her a lot more now. Edith is nicer too. I think they're too busy to argue now, what with the war and everything. They probably fought so much because they had nothing else to do, really, and they were bored.

decarus January 4th, 2012 1:23 pm

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Yeah...although ruining her engagement was pretty bad too. Was that before or after Edith wrote to the Turkish Embassy? I can't remember...they are both pretty mean to each other though. I remember I really hated Mary in the first season, but somehow, I like her a lot more now. Edith is nicer too. I think they're too busy to argue now, what with the war and everything. They probably fought so much because they had nothing else to do, really, and they were bored.

I never disliked Mary. She was extremely rude to Edith and to Matthew, but at least she knew it and it wasn't as if they didn't both have it coming. And also she at least felt bad about her rudeness to Matthew. I am not sure that Edith ever does feel bad about it all. For Edith to send a letter telling the story of the Turkish diplomat is so out of line that it is unimaginable to me that someone would do something like that. Mary has always been the more complicated character anyways and therefore more interesting to me. I haven't gotten to the ruining of Edith's engagement yet, but that would not seem as bad as attempting to ruin completely Mary's chances of getting married at all.

Hes January 31st, 2012 10:34 am

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Casting news for season 3. Shirley Maclaine has been cast as Cora´s mother. I guess this means the Dowager Countess is getting competition in who is the wittiest.

freelantzer February 1st, 2012 1:29 am

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Casting news for season 3. Shirley Maclaine has been cast as Cora´s mother. I guess this means the Dowager Countess is getting competition in who is the wittiest.

Yeah, I read that! I can't wait to see them butt heads. :lol:

HedwigOwl February 2nd, 2012 3:57 am

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Originally Posted by HurrahforHermy (Post 5959199)
Yeah...although ruining her engagement was pretty bad too. Was that before or after Edith wrote to the Turkish Embassy? I can't remember...they are both pretty mean to each other though. I remember I really hated Mary in the first season, but somehow, I like her a lot more now. Edith is nicer too. I think they're too busy to argue now, what with the war and everything. They probably fought so much because they had nothing else to do, really, and they were bored.

It was after Edith wrote the letter; ironically, when Edith ruined Mary's reputation, she also set in motion the de-railing of her own possible marriage. I think Edith was jealous of Mary, who always seemed to get more attention from nearly everyone. As the series has gone on, Edith has had more experience and therefore more understanding of the complexities of human nature and relationships, and is much less insecure.

BurrowGhoul February 14th, 2012 2:29 am

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Many surprises in last night's episode.

freelantzer February 16th, 2012 2:07 am

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Many surprises in last night's episode.

I know! I didn't realize at first that it was the end of this season; figured it out when I realized it was two hours. Can't wait to see the Christmas special next week!

MsBinns February 26th, 2012 1:19 pm

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I just marathoned seasons 1 and 2 in about 4 days and WOW! I actually watched the first episode about a month ago and I had trouble getting into it. I decided giving it another go and I just fell in love with this show. For starters, I think it has a wonderful ensemble cast and well-written characters. I enjoy having a show where my feelings for the characters change so much. I didn't love Mary much through season 1 and thought she seemed quite selfish, but over the six years that have passed I think she has evolved a lot as a character (I especially liked her line "aren't all of us stuck with the choices we made?" which to me showed that she has grown up a lot and knows she was in the wrong). Branson, on the other hand, did the reverse. I liked him quite a lot when he first appeared, but I feel like he became more and more selfish as season two progressed. The only character I have always loved has been Matthew Crawley and I even wanted to smack him upside the head a number of times at the end of season two. I also warmed up a bit to Thomas this season. I certainly don't love him and I don't think he has changed his stripes completely, but I think they made him a bit more multi-dimensional this season rather than just the "bad guy". I would like to see him have some more redeeming moments in season three.

I also must say I love the historical references thrown into the show. The sinking of the Titanic, the Assassination of Franz Ferdinand and the buildup to World War I, the Marconi Scandal, the introduction of conscription in 1916, the Easter Rising, Lloyd George, the Execution of the Czar, the Spanish Flu, I could go on and on, but the history dork in me just loved these little references! I teach AP Comparative Politics and one of my students also told me how much they enjoyed watching and understanding terms we discussed in class like what "front benchers" means and talking about someone getting a "peerage". My only real complaint about the history is that there's not more reference to the political history, which I think Robert would be a bit more invested in. This is when the Labour party started to emerge, but I guess it wasn't until the twenties until they started to win elections so perhaps that is something to look forward to in season three.

Also, does Dan Stevens remind anybody else of Cary Elwes in the Princess Bride?

freelantzer February 26th, 2012 6:45 pm

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Also, does Dan Stevens remind anybody else of Cary Elwes in the Princess Bride?

I never thought of that, but now that you mention it, yeah, he does resemble Elwes. To me Stevens got more handsome in season 2. I didn't really notice his looks in season 1. I'm not sure if I just started to like the character more, or if he really lost a little weight or what, but I thought he was cuter in 2.

I loved the Christmas special. There were places where I cried, laughed, and cheered. Looking forward to season 3.

BurrowGhoul February 26th, 2012 7:12 pm

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I never thought of that, but now that you mention it, yeah, he does resemble Elwes. To me Stevens got more handsome in season 2. I didn't really notice his looks in season 1. I'm not sure if I just started to like the character more, or if he really lost a little weight or what, but I thought he was cuter in 2.

I loved the Christmas special. There were places where I cried, laughed, and cheered. Looking forward to season 3.

I think he's more handsome in the candid conversations with the actors than in the show. Maybe they've given him extra-good lighting.

Goddess_Clio February 26th, 2012 9:59 pm

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To me Stevens got more handsome in season 2. I didn't really notice his looks in season 1. I'm not sure if I just started to like the character more, or if he really lost a little weight or what, but I thought he was cuter in 2.

Really? I supposed I'm just a sucker for guys with light blue eyes but I thought he was cute from the word go! :D I'm also generally a sucker for men in dark suits, hats and coats circa 1880-1920 :rotfl: Men certainly knew how to dress back then :D

His increased attraction in season 2 might have a little something to do with the fact that he's in uniform and uniforms make even just okay-looking guys pretty foxy :drool: :rotfl: And he started out more than just okay-looking so that uniform only enhanced his natural endowments. :D

HedwigOwl February 27th, 2012 12:51 am

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His increased attraction in season 2 might have a little something to do with the fact that he's in uniform and uniforms make even just okay-looking guys pretty foxy. And he started out more than just okay-looking so that uniform only enhanced his natural endowments.

I saw the first episode again yesterday, where we first see Matthew. He looks like he lost a bit of weight around the face/neck from the first season to the second.

HMN March 29th, 2012 6:44 pm

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I had nothing to do the other night so I hunted down season 1 of Downton Abbey. I meant to watch one episode and 3 hours later it was 1am - thank you Netflix! I am totally hooked. Just finished the first season, and am now trying to find Season 2 online.

I don't want to read the entire thread until after I'm caught up. It's amazing how much story they pack in to each episode and how little happens but so much happens at the same time. I'm quite impressed overall. :)

decarus March 29th, 2012 8:13 pm

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It is a great show. I am glad you found it. I hope we get more.

Moriath March 30th, 2012 10:25 am

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We're definitely going to get more - it's a very lucrative cash cow in period clothing. :elaugh: I hope that series three will be more like series one - less melodrama, ridiculous plots and focus on tertiary characters no one cares about and more clever dialogue and period goodness.

HMN April 6th, 2012 12:31 am

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We're definitely going to get more - it's a very lucrative cash cow in period clothing. :elaugh: I hope that series three will be more like series one - less melodrama, ridiculous plots and focus on tertiary characters no one cares about and more clever dialogue and period goodness.

My hubby watched an episode with me and declared it a Soap Opera. I was like noooooo. But I think he's right!

I'm midway through season 2 and I came to the prediction that
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Thomas ends up being Valet for Mary/Sir Richard after his black market business went down the tubes. He and Sir Richard seem to be of similar character.


I wonder how much time they will bring us through. I think it's quite interesting that 2 years have passed in about 5 episodes.

BurrowGhoul April 6th, 2012 1:03 am

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We went to the James J Hill house today, and the kitchens in the basement reminded me so much of Downton!

Yoana April 6th, 2012 6:50 am

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It totally is soap opera, but there's nothing wrong with that! It's very well done, with beautiful people most of whom are fantastic actors.

HMN April 7th, 2012 3:02 pm

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It totally is soap opera, but there's nothing wrong with that! It's very well done, with beautiful people most of whom are fantastic actors.

This is so true.

I finally finished season 2 and learned that I was a bit off on my prediction. :lol: But Thomas did get the job he wanted, just not in the place that I thought!

There were several moments in season 2 that I thought unnecessary until it all came together in the end. Like Lord Grantham's little escapade - but it helped him understand/forgive Mary.

When does season 3 air? Now I'm totally hooked.

freelantzer April 7th, 2012 9:30 pm

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I finally finished season 2 and learned that I was a bit off on my prediction. :lol: But Thomas did get the job he wanted, just not in the place that I thought!

There were several moments in season 2 that I thought unnecessary until it all came together in the end. Like Lord Grantham's little escapade - but it helped him understand/forgive Mary.

I didn't want to say anything when I saw your earlier post, but that was my prediction, too, when I first watched season 2! :lol:

I hated Lord Granthams little escapade, but when you put it that way, I guess I can begrudgingly get over it. It does make sense. I just thought it was totally out of character.

Can't wait for season three!

TabbyCat1 April 8th, 2012 1:29 am

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I absolutely love Downton! :D

HMN April 8th, 2012 1:38 am

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I didn't want to say anything when I saw your earlier post, but that was my prediction, too, when I first watched season 2! :lol:

Great minds think alike! :D

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It was totally out of character. And sudden and uncalled for. But how else to get him to come around to where it all ended up at the end of the season.

I'm excited for season 3 also!

Hes September 14th, 2012 9:50 am

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So on Sunday season 3 starts.

The producers have given us a few hints as to what will happen.

Who will get married?
Who will die?
A baby will be born. Who are the parents?

What did you think of the trailer?

SusanBones September 14th, 2012 1:25 pm

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They aren't going to air the show here until January 3rd. :grumble:

It looks like Sybil and her husband are going to be back this season. I bet it is their child.

Goddess_Clio September 14th, 2012 3:15 pm

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I don't want to read the entire thread until after I'm caught up. It's amazing how much story they pack in to each episode and how little happens but so much happens at the same time. I'm quite impressed overall. :)

That's one thing I think American shows suffer because of; they try and pack 8-13 episodes worth of story in a 22-24 episode season so you get shows that don't relate to the mythology archs, the main characters, the important story lines, etc. US shows would benefit so much from going to a shorter season and then they would have a larger budget to throw at each show (Breaking Bad, for instance; fabulous show, hugely dramatic, so much story packed into each episode and it's only got about 10 episodes a season). But, alas, network execs must make their money and having 24 new episodes a season gets more people watching their networks...

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My hubby watched an episode with me and declared it a Soap Opera. I was like noooooo. But I think he's right!

They played that card very slyly; get you hooked with pure drama and character in the first season and then by the time you realize you're watching a soap opera it's too late! They've hooked you and you can't get enough! :lol:

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I wonder how much time they will bring us through. I think it's quite interesting that 2 years have passed in about 5 episodes.
I know! Time simply flies by on this show! Season 3 starts soon and it'll be the swingin' '20s!

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It looks like Sybil and her husband are going to be back this season. I bet it is their child.

Good, good, good!! I didn't like that Sybil was missing from the Christmas episode, even if she and her hubby were off in Ireland.

BTW, just watched the Christmas episode for the first time about a month ago; didn't know about it until then! SO GOOD!! :D

lupislune September 16th, 2012 10:24 pm

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The 3rd series just premiered in the UK, and I can't see it because I'm in the US :upset:

When one doesn't want spoilers they are everywhere, when one does, one can't find them. :sad:

*pulls self together*

decarus September 16th, 2012 10:51 pm

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I hope i find it online before the night is out. I love this show.

HMN September 17th, 2012 2:19 am

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That's one thing I think American shows suffer because of; they try and pack 8-13 episodes worth of story in a 22-24 episode season so you get shows that don't relate to the mythology archs, the main characters, the important story lines, etc. US shows would benefit so much from going to a shorter season and then they would have a larger budget to throw at each show (Breaking Bad, for instance; fabulous show, hugely dramatic, so much story packed into each episode and it's only got about 10 episodes a season). But, alas, network execs must make their money and having 24 new episodes a season gets more people watching their networks...

I couldn't agree more. I don't understand why there isn't 2 television seasons in the US. Think of how much more they'd make from advertising if there was a short but concise season where viewership was packed into a shorter time frame. It would be like an extended sweeps week.

Goddess_Clio September 17th, 2012 3:44 am

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I couldn't agree more. I don't understand why there isn't 2 television seasons in the US. Think of how much more they'd make from advertising if there was a short but concise season where viewership was packed into a shorter time frame. It would be like an extended sweeps week.

There are two television seasons: one is summer and the other is... the rest of the year. :lol: Honestly, though, part of the reason I think it is is because networks are afraid of losing viewership; if they have a loved, high-rated show (Big Bang Theory, Glee, etc.) that means that in the current format they can hold that viewership for about 9 months of the year whereas if the seasons were only four months long they could potentially lose that viewership for a great portion of the year to another network. As it is many viewers are abandoning network shows for quality cable shows with shorter seasons. Personally, I think it's time for a change; get on the shorter seasons and make great shows rather than churn out just okay ones for 9 months.

Just watched the season premier of Downton - so good... :love:

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Matthew and Mary... ug, again? That's just they way they are as a couple though, and they way they made up from their fight was adorable so I'll take it. And keep coming back for more. :p

Branson at Downton? Teehee!! Really liked how he and Matthew bonded, I hope he and Sybil stay at Downton through the season, or at least make many appearances and don't just disappear back to Ireland.

Thomas and... ug!! What's her name Evil-Lady's-Maid had a little spat! I like that something has finally happened to break up their conniving friendship, it would get boring if they were on the wrong side of everything and always teaming up against everyone else but I didn't see it turning out that they'd be turning on each other.

The inheritance? Hmm... :wow: I take it that this will be the driving problem for the season since we can no longer threaten Matthew and Mary calling the wedding off.

I hope Shirley McLane get some more/better storylines; I was a little disappointed in how big a role she played in this episode. I guess I expected more of a situation where she would come in and the Dowager Countess and Mrs. Crawley would have to take up arms against her like how the Countess and Lady Grantham sort of took up arms against Mrs. Crawley in the first season a little bit. I hope she turns out to be just as spunky and spiny-tongued as the Countess! I am holding out hope that this episode was only serving to introduce her character and that she'll only get better as the season progresses.

decarus September 18th, 2012 2:25 am

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What a great episode. This show is awesome. Mary and Matthew again. I love their storyline.

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I loved the line at the end at their wedding. The two of them snarking at each other. And there make up was awesome.

I also hope that Edith is actually able to get with that one guy.

I still don't like Branson much, but he had some redeeming qualities in this ep. Helping Mary and Matthew make up. Very nice.

Yeah i would also imagine the money issue is going to be a long game thing. I wonder if they will lose downton. I don't get how the show continues after that. The house is a character all in itself.

Goddess_Clio September 18th, 2012 5:30 am

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Yeah i would also imagine the money issue is going to be a long game thing. I wonder if they will lose downton. I don't get how the show continues after that. The house is a character all in itself.

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If they lose the house the show is over: the show is called Downton Abbey. :p

decarus September 18th, 2012 5:56 am

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True.

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But i could see them losing the house for a time for whatever reason. Hopefully Matthew will just come around or something will happen that will fix it otherwise. Another bit of money from Cora's family or something.

In some ways i hope that Matthew sticks to his guns, but another part of me agrees with Mary. I mean to lose their how future and for Mary the loss is huge, for her and her family, even though i am not sure if Matthew really understands it. We will see.


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