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Kendra July 8th, 2003 12:20 pm

All About Dementors
Ok I'm very annoyed. I'd just finished writing this massive long essay on Dementors and I lost it :'(

So we'll start again....There isn't a topic in the book 5 area to analyze dementors so I thought it would be nice to start an updated one so we can look at clues from book 5 to help us work out these weird creatures.

Why are Dementors created?
How are Dementors created?
Where will they go now Azkaban is no longer their home?
And any other questions :)

Anyways I have my own theory on how they are created, it came to me whilst I was trying to sleep so in the process I scared myself silly and couldn't sleep even more....

Right, turn to page 25 in your copies of Fantastic Beasts and where to find them and look at Lethifolds.

For those of you who don't have a copy, it says...

The Lethifold is a mercifully rare creature found solely in tropical climates. It resembles a black cloak perhaps half an inch thick (thicker if it has recently killed and digested a victim) which glides along the ground at night. (paraphrased) The patronus is the only spell known to repel the Lethifold.
As this wizard was being attacked by one in the accound he tells, he says he felt "paralyzed with fear, I felt it's clammy touch

The bits I've highlighted are also Dementor related features. Plus, Harry stated in book 4 he didn't think they could withstand heat, but in book 5 it is a massive heatwave at night the dementors attack, again similar to a lethifold. So it is therefore my theory that a dementor is created when a lethifold has eaten a certain number of victums. The putrid breath and scabby horrible hands sound like a digested victim, and the fact they have human form under their black cloaks.

Like I said, it's probably been mentioned elsewhere but there's other questions about them!


phoenixsong July 8th, 2003 12:57 pm

excellent work, there, Helhorns! I don't know what to add to such a convincing bit of research. I don't know about the part regarding eating their victims (does it say in fantastic beasts what lethifolds are after?), but you've got me persuaded that dementors are part, if not all, lethifold.

Kendra July 8th, 2003 1:05 pm

It doesn't say what happens to them afterwards, it just says they are slightly thicker once they've eaten and digested a victim, but I wouldn't be surprised if evolution comes into it or the number of victims they have.

Kizz July 8th, 2003 3:24 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong (high chance of this - I read Fant. B~ ages ago) - but aren't lethifolds 'mercifully' rare? - or just too good at stealth to be detected all the time? I was thinking about the number of dementors in existance compared to lethifolds. Do we know much about the population of dementors? Excellent theory Helhorns.

Mimbulus July 8th, 2003 5:28 pm

great theory! i didnt even make the connection until you mentioned would be interesting if JK came out with a book like Fantastic Beasts that explained the existence of dementors. they have very significantly similar characteristics. perhaps they are kind of an inter-related species evolving over time in different environments but once, a long time ago, were the same...something definately to think about :cool:

Kendra July 8th, 2003 6:47 pm

hehe it was nothing, like I said you'll probably find it in the great hall.
I want to know how they die. If they are not classified as a beast, then what are they classified as?

TheEvilOne July 8th, 2003 7:04 pm

Maybe becoming a Dementor is like a human becomeing a police officer.Highly talented Lethifolds are given a job as Dementors to police the wizards in Azkaban or somthing like that...


danwilkie July 8th, 2003 7:36 pm

Great theory. I don't know about lethifolds turning into Dementors but they certainly seem to be related. I wonder if the Lethifolds will join Voldemort's army.... :( :( :(

groovychick July 8th, 2003 7:48 pm

Harry wouldn't have any problems with Lethifolds he does produce a coperal Patronus!:)

danwilkie July 8th, 2003 7:52 pm

* this triggers something in Dan's memory *

A corporeal Patronus? Do you know Amelia Bones?

Lestrange July 8th, 2003 7:56 pm

...I always thought that the lethifold was like, the dementors of the tropics, since Harry thinks that the dementors won't last in hot weather, and this sounds true, maybe when a lethifold migrates to primarily cold weather, it turns into a dementor...? Anyway, I do agree with you that the lethifold and the dementor seem to be an interrelated species in some way.

Pucko July 8th, 2003 8:00 pm

:D dan!
anyways...dementors and lethifolds have to be related somehow...great research helhorns! but there seem to be a lot more dementors than lethifolds...however it says in fantastical beasts that it is hard to calculate the number of victims as the lethifolds attack them in their sleep....wouldn't that mean it is also hard to calculate the number of lethifolds? so there could be a lot of them

groovychick July 8th, 2003 8:02 pm

I don't know where my fantastatic beasts book is but I like the little foot note at the bottom of the page says something about a man who faked a note saying he was being eaten by a Lethifold but was found a few weeks later living with the land lady of pub a few miles away.:D

danwilkie July 8th, 2003 8:06 pm

Anyone else notice that it doesn't mention Dementors in Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them?

groovychick July 8th, 2003 8:10 pm

They're not really Creatures or Beasts they are kinda like people just really creepy human things.:evil:

Mad-I Moody July 8th, 2003 8:41 pm

Great research Helhorns! I'm so impressed!

I think that, rather than a Lethifold turning into a dementor after digesting victims or something of the sort, that a dementor is a cross-breed between a Lethifold and something else. My copy of Fantastic Beasts is at home, unfortunately, but I'd almost wager that, if a Lethifold and a wizard bred a child, it might be a dementor. Or maybe, the digested victim of a Lethifold -- er-- comes out as a dementor.

My theories aside, I'm still very impressed with Helhorns' assessment. :D :D :D

FredRocksMySocks July 8th, 2003 8:56 pm

JRK is so clever lol! Sneaking things in like that! But, yeah, I do have to wonder why they're called Lethifolds in that book and Dementors in Harry Potter.... Perhaps the ones that are ministry controlled are a special breed? Maybe they are bred especially not to kill, but to live off of emotion. I haven't checked, but are dementors in Fantastic Beasts, or just the Lethifolds? Hmm...I wonder if JRK will explain in book 6?

firebolt2000 July 9th, 2003 10:51 am

That was some good work there, Helhorns! I think Dementors are created just for the purpose of guarding Azkaban. We now know that the Dementors probably left to join Voldemort. I don't have a clue as to how Dementors are created, though. I think they serve a good purpose, being guards of Azkaban, but I don't think anyone (except maybe some really cruel people - like Voldemort and his Death Eaters) deserve the Dementor's kiss.

The one thing that I am confused about is the Lethifold. It seems to be exactly like the Dementor only it is found in tropical climates and is rare. But it eats the victims? I thought it would do something like a Dementor's Kiss, because Dementors don't actually eat their victims. And if a person comes across a Lethifold, does it experience the same things when approached by a Dementor?

Kendra July 9th, 2003 4:02 pm

In a way, dementors seem to be a metaphor for depression, as others have said. Yet Lethifolds are beasts. So why are Dementors not classed as beasts? Is it because they can think to a certain extent, or they once were humans but Lethifolds turned into one from eating so many victims.

Perhaps they thrive on depression because the human soul feels really resentful and bitter because of what happened and wants to take away the hapiness of others because it can't have any of it's own?

firebolt2000 July 9th, 2003 4:07 pm

That could be true, Helhorns. I like your theory on how Dementors are created from Lethifolds. Do you know what exactly is under the cloak of a Lethifold?

I also do agree with how you say Dementors are a metaphor of depression. Dementors bring back your worst memories and fears, and by eating chocolate, it warms the body and makes people happier, because it is said that somehow chocolate increases the Serotonin in the brain, and a lack of Serotonin causes depression.

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