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talullah June 23rd, 2003 2:33 pm

Department of Mysteries
 
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So, I'm wondering if the we are supposed to be asking ourselves about the room devoted in the Dept. of Mysteries that contains information on the power that Harry has that Voldemort does not?

puneypunk June 23rd, 2003 2:36 pm

its gotta be love :/

Reaver June 23rd, 2003 2:38 pm

Yeah, apparently Harry has the power of love on his side - something Voldemort will never have.

talullah June 23rd, 2003 2:49 pm

Thats was my thought. I wasn't 100% that it had been resolved... but I think it has been.

HogwartsChaplain June 24th, 2003 5:05 am

Yes, I agree that the room is about love-- the kind of sacrificial love that made it possible for Lily to save Harry, and that Harry would have been willing to give for Sirius. Dumbledore says that Harry has "heart"-- something that's missing in Voldemort's powers. The Dark Lord doesn't have the power to love.

MagpieOnaga June 24th, 2003 8:11 am

The room of doors -- the door left unexplored?
 
On p. 775-774 (American version), in the Department of Mysteries, after Harry and company have just come back from the "arch" room into the original room full doors, Harry tries opening a new, random door, but can't get it to open by force. Hermione tries using Alohomora on the door, but that doesn't work either. Harry even uses Sirius's knife on the door:

Quote:

"Sirius's knife!" said Harry, and he pulled it out from inside his robes and slid it into the crack between the door and the wall. The others all watched eagerly as he ran it from top to bottom, withdrew it, and then flung his shoulder again at the door. It remained as firmly shut as ever. What was more, when Harry looked down at the knife, he saw that the blade had melted.
Now, we know that JKR often places seemingly minor details in her books that will come up later on. I'm almost certain this is one of those things.

This door has obviously been placed under extremely advanced locking charms. When I first saw this, I thought, "this room is important." I took note of it, and waited for something else to explain it. And, lo and behold, Dumbledore mentions such a room later on. Check out the bottom of page 843, American version.

Quote:

"There is a room in the Department of Mysteries," interrupted Dumbledore, "that is kept locked at all times. It contains a force that is at once more wonderful and more terrible than death, than human intelligence, than forces of nature. It is also, perhaps, the most mysterious of the many subjects for study that reside there.
I feel certain that this room, "kept locked at all times," is the one described earlier. I know this may not reveal much, but it's a detail that some might not have noticed.

(by the way -- This is probably being discussed elsewhere, but as I'm tired and don't want to look for it, I'll just hope that someone has the sense to merge this if that turns out to be the case.)

Picko June 24th, 2003 8:14 am

I'd say that the room mentioned by Dumbledore is most certainly the one mentioned earlier.

Eternal June 24th, 2003 8:27 am

Very, very interesting. I definitely thought there was something important behind that door when the group failed to enter, but I somehow overlooked what Dumbledore said later on. From Dumbledore's description, it sounds like something Voldemort would love to get a hold of, and perhaps something that Harry could use to his advantage. If, that is, anyone could ever bend whatever power it is to their will. From the sounds of it, that seems impossible, but I can't help but feel that it should play a significant role later in the series.

Good catch, MagpieOnaga.

Picko June 24th, 2003 8:30 am

I don't think Voldemort wants to get a hold of, as I understood it what's inside the door is something that Harry already has and it's what makes Harry different than Voldemort and the reason why Voldemort could not possess Harry. I think Voldemort wants to steer clear of what's behind that door.

DocHollidaywe June 28th, 2003 9:00 am

Yes that room was the one Dumbledore was speaking of

DocHollidaywe June 28th, 2003 9:04 am

"All you need is love"
John Lennon

Great man, shot in the back, sad story

chowie June 28th, 2003 9:50 am

Anybody's guesses on what is inside that door?

vickygirl4 June 28th, 2003 9:51 am

Yes, good good observation! I think you're on to something!

DWeasley June 28th, 2003 11:01 am

I don't know. There's got to be more to it than that because the door is locked. I mean, why can't Harry (who has it in abundance) at least go in? I just think there is more that Dumbledore isn't telling just yet.

Max June 28th, 2003 11:07 am

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Originally posted by DWeasley (original post)
I don't know. There's got to be more to it than that because the door is locked. I mean, why can't Harry (who has it in abundance) at least go in? I just think there is more that Dumbledore isn't telling just yet.
There's probably a good reason for keeping it locked (Sirius's knife melted, didn't it?), and perhaps JK will elaborate a bit on that room ... so we'll just have to wait.

Also, if you're referring to Fudge's "private army of Heliopaths", I seriously doubt it. We may learn more about that in the future books, but Luna has always been a little out of line, hasn't she?

Kendra June 28th, 2003 11:52 am

The force of love I think is locked in that room to study...

Maybe harry should find a way to unlock it and then shove and lock Voldemort in the room!

Tomsk June 28th, 2003 12:12 pm

If its love, that sounds a bit cheesy. The whole love thing is a bit cheesy IMO.

What about the weapon hidden at the ministry, or was that the prophecy? The prophecy didn't seem like a weapon, more like knowledge about Harry and Voldemorts connection. Whats in the room may well be something that actually could be used to kill one of them for good.

Falcon121 June 28th, 2003 4:41 pm

I wonder if Harry will be able to focus and manupilate that force(the force DD was refering to)...and use it against Voldemort... I think JKR will take us back to that room in the next book and explain further...

Well i hope at least she does

~BrandyTook~ June 28th, 2003 4:50 pm

The force in the room has to be love. It's been said before that that is the one thing that Voldemort can't understand. And Harry is protected by his mother's love and that's why Quirrel could not touch him. That is the oen power that Voldemort does not have. He feels no love for anything. But Harry has love. It is a bit cheesy, but that is the only thing that it can be. It's been mentioned in previous books, so I don't see how it could be anything else.

hermiones mum June 28th, 2003 4:59 pm

Who would go in the room to study....could this be an area that Harry goes with Dumbledore to study the ancient magic.
What would be the requirement to open the door...to have loved and lost, to be willing to lay your life down to save others or to be able to love yourself. Harry doesn't think too highly of himself.

Would hate also be kept in the same room?


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