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Aiwendil October 12th, 2007 2:00 am

The Hobbit movie news
 
Hello,

I know that many Lord of the Rings fans are also fans of Harry Potter, and I would assume vice versa. Hope this is of interest!

I thought I would post some of the recent news surrounding a film version of J.R.R. Tolkien’s “The Hobbit”, (which set the stage for Lord of the Rings), for those who are either unaware or not up to date on the situation.

For the best article, get the latest issue (October 12th) of Entertainment Weekly, which features a nice cover story named “Return of the Rings?” with Gollum on the cover. Tolkien fans are thrilled to see this amount of coverage, in print most especially, for a project that is in such early stages. The more attention this brings to the situation, the better. The awareness of the general public, in addition to the fans, will brighten the spotlight on the legal situation and those responsible; hopefully making them want to speed things up.

Thankfully, things are already beginning to look good. Here are a few links to start with:

MTV Movies Blog
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2007/10/10...in-the-future/

Let the Hobbit Happen Campaign
http://www.thehobbitfilm.com/

The Frodo Franchise
http://www.kristinthompson.net/blog/

It is being said that there will be two films made, either splitting the story of The Hobbit in two, or having the second film take place in the sixty years between The Hobbit and LotR, thereby connecting the two stories. Most likely, that would include scenes based on information Tolkien later added to the appendices of LotR, like the White Council and their dealings with the Necromancer (Sauron).

The Hobbit story introduces us to a few characters featured in LotR: Gandalf, Bilbo, Elrond and Gollum. If we get to see the White Council, we would also see Saruman, Galadriel, and hopefully a character cut from LotR: Radagast the Brown.

Many of the actors from the Rings trilogy have shown support for the film, if Rings director Peter Jackson is involved. Most notably Ian McKellen (Gandalf) and Cate Blanchett (Galadriel). If Jackson is indeed involved, we could also see the return of Hugo Weaving, Andy Serkis, Christopher Lee and possibly Ian Holm, as their respective characters.

The fans are somewhat divided on what they want to see. Many want Peter Jackson as director, which would mean much continuity with the world and style he established in LotR. Others want to see someone else’s vision of Middle-earth, and a film truer to the lighter tone of the book.

What are your thoughts?

Hawkowl October 12th, 2007 2:10 am

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I really want Peter Jackson to direct it, and I hope they get as many of the original actors as they can.
It would be awesome if they had stuff from the appendixes. I knew that the Hobbit movie was a possibility, but I didn't know any of the little details about it. Didn't Peter Jackson say he wasn't going to work for New Line again until they paid him more for the Fellowship or something? Or did that all get worked out? I really don't know much about the whole thing :lol:.
The sooner it comes out, the better.

Aiwendil October 12th, 2007 4:44 am

Lawsuit
 
It is beginning to be worked out.

Here is a great summary of the legal situation…it’s lengthy, but well worth the read if you’re interested: http://www.kristinthompson.net/blog/?p=114

Peter Jackson was going to audit New Line for money he is owed for the LotR films, and apparently New Line failed to cough it up. As a result, a judge has fined New Line Cinema $125,000 for withholding and possibly destroying documents. They are set to go to court in January 2008. But it is very possible that they will settle out of court, which NL is well-known for doing.

A quote from the FF article: “Given that Peter’s lawyers have finally mentioned $100 million as their estimate of the sum involved just for the first film, the settlement could grow to astronomical proportions. Still, more and more it looks as if New Line may soon bite the bullet and settle the case out of court, avoiding a protracted struggle which they might lose anyway.”

A quote from New Line Cinema’s Michael Lynne in an interview by Charlie Rose earlier this year: “We have a disagreement with Peter about auditing. It happens a lot. It ought to be resolvable. What happens in going forward in terms of working together or not, the future will tell.”

Another snippet: “In August Peter and partner Fran Walsh issued a statement: ‘Peter and Fran have always wanted to do The Hobbit but whether that happens is yet to be decided.’ ... It sounds like they’re ready, and they are well aware that their fans are, to say the least, eager to hear that they will be making the film.”

Apparently, Peter Jackson is still being strongly considered to either direct or executive produce The Hobbit. He’s definitely still in the running.

Also, Jackson and co. will wrap up their work on The Lovely Bones soon, so it’s quite possible that their schedule can be shifted to fit in The Hobbit.

I'm glad that I was able to help you get up to date on this!

ComicBookWorm October 12th, 2007 9:05 am

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I can't imagine anyone besides PJ doing the movie. Not only did his unique vision bring LOTR to life, but he already has secondary production teams that know exactly how to bring the special effects to life (and according to Peter's vision).

I'd love to see some of the original cast in the movie, but other than Gandalf and Bilbo, they didn't really feature in the story. And Bilbo will have to be played by someone other than Ian Holm.

Hawkowl October 12th, 2007 1:08 pm

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Thanks for all of the info, Aiwendil! :)

GodricHollow October 12th, 2007 1:58 pm

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Originally Posted by ComicBookWorm (Post 4809433)
I'd love to see some of the original cast in the movie, but other than Gandalf and Bilbo, they didn't really feature in the story. And Bilbo will have to be played by someone other than Ian Holm.

Not so. They can make him look younger via CGI these days. Cost a packet, given that he's the central character and thus is in nearly every scene, but it's plausable.

ComicBookWorm October 12th, 2007 3:06 pm

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It wouldn't look natural, despite the advanced technology. I suspect they'll just find someone who can pass as a younger Ian Holm since that is what is usually done. With all the expense they'll have with the needed SFx, I can't see them making their jobs even more difficult. Unless they decide he doesn't look too old for the part.

gertiekeddle October 12th, 2007 4:25 pm

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Originally Posted by ComicBookWorm (Post 4809593)
It wouldn't look natural, despite the advanced technology. I suspect they'll just find someone who can pass as a younger Ian Holm since that is what is usually done.

I actually hope they do at least this and keep things close to the actual LOTR movies. Currently I can't imagine it be done in another style than Peter Jacksons. Additionally it would be just nice to get the main books that way. :D

ComicBookWorm October 12th, 2007 4:52 pm

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It's been a roller coaster all year about whether they would use PJ. It isn't settled yet, but it does look more hopeful than it had earlier this year.

I can't imagine anyone doing a better job than him.

gertiekeddle October 12th, 2007 5:07 pm

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Yes, I remember when back a few months ago when we already thought there's no more hope for Jackson doing it over at Eastfarthings (Tolkien forum). It really was a relief to read that we can hope again!

I guess actually I wouldn't mind the actors too much, if just the style does not change too much. Ian McKellen seems to be a must, though.

ComicBookWorm October 12th, 2007 5:50 pm

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Originally Posted by gertiekeddle (Post 4809713)
Yes, I remember when back a few months ago when we already thought there's no more hope for Jackson doing it over at Eastfarthings (Tolkien forum). It really was a relief to read that we can hope again!

I guess actually I wouldn't mind the actors too much, if just the style does not change too much. Ian McKellen seems to be a must, though.

Agreed, we have to have McKellen. They better get moving, too. He isn't getting any younger.

Hermaryne October 12th, 2007 6:17 pm

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Thanks Aiwendil, I'm so happy about the news! For me, it has to be PJ and team, along with McKellen and Andy Serkis. The Hobbit is my favorite book from childhood and some of the images have been seared into my brain for decades. Can't wait to see Mirkwood and spiders, Gollum's riddle, and Smaug with his jewel encrusted belly. I'm fascinated by the extra material and what Jackson might use for a second movie. Though I haven't read much beyond the Trilogy (only the Silmarillion), I'd like to see more of Galadriel, Sauron (in elf form), and the story of the other Rings of Power. Wonder who they'll cast as Bilbo, Thorin, et al? Time to speculate!!!

Anhelda October 13th, 2007 1:58 am

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Originally Posted by ComicBookWorm (Post 4809433)
I can't imagine anyone besides PJ doing the movie. Not only did his unique vision bring LOTR to life, but he already has secondary production teams that know exactly how to bring the special effects to life (and according to Peter's vision).

I'd love to see some of the original cast in the movie, but other than Gandalf and Bilbo, they didn't really feature in the story. And Bilbo will have to be played by someone other than Ian Holm.

Well, as part of The Hobbit takes place in the Elves' home in Mirkwood, where Legolas comes from, Orlando Bloom could certainly make an appearance, both in the woodland scenes and in the final battle--not a major part, of course, but his presence would be completely reasonable in the framework of Tolkien's story. And Liv Tyler's Arwen might be able to show up in the Rivendell scenes if Arwen wasn't in Lothlorien at the time (can't remember my Arwen timeframe well enough to recall where she was during the events of Hobbit). Just because Tolkein didn't identify them as being present in The Hobbit doesn't mean that they weren't--after all, he had yet to broaden out his world to include these characters when he wrote that story. But it makes sense for them to be there in the films. If they do anything with the White Council in the films, they'll need to get Christopher Lee back, too--who else could play Saruman?

And of course, there's always Andy Serkis' character--he'll have to return as well, dontcha think? ;)

ComicBookWorm October 13th, 2007 10:21 am

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I think quite a few of the LOTR actors could slip in, either as their LOTR characters or their prior generation relatives, but they would be cameos since they couldn't take up much screen time from the main story.

Andy Serkis and Ian McKellan are definitely part of the plot. And it all depends on Ian Holm being considered an appropriate age. Bilbo didn't age much once he got the ring, so maybe the Bilbo we saw vanish at his party in FOTR can be considered the right age and Ian Holm could be Bilbo.

Hermaryne October 14th, 2007 2:54 am

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Originally Posted by ComicBookWorm (Post 4810481)
Bilbo didn't age much once he got the ring, so maybe the Bilbo we saw vanish at his party in FOTR can be considered the right age and Ian Holm could be Bilbo.

True, though it's already been almost 10 years since Ian Holm filmed Bilbo (time flies!). I can't remember Bilbo's specified age in the book, but I always pictured him around 30s/40s. Of course Ian Holm is a wonderful actor, though I'd be happy if they went with someone younger.

ComicBookWorm October 15th, 2007 7:49 am

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I had thought about the fact that maybe 10 years had elapsed and Ian Holm, who was no spring chicken then, might look too old. He didn't have a lot of screen time in all three movies, and I think that they could slip in someone appropriate and it would still work. I can't seen anyone else as Gollum or Gandalf, however.

Wimsey October 20th, 2007 1:32 am

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Originally Posted by Hermaryne (Post 4811307)
True, though it's already been almost 10 years since Ian Holm filmed Bilbo (time flies!). I can't remember Bilbo's specified age in the book, but I always pictured him around 30s/40s. Of course Ian Holm is a wonderful actor, though I'd be happy if they went with someone younger.

He is 50 in the book, but hobbits age more slowly than do "big folk": 33 for a hobbit is supposed to be about the same as 21 for us. So, Bilbo would have been about the same as big person in his/her mid 30's: or right where you put him!

It is a little unfortunate that the Hobbit was not done first. I read quite a few comments from non-readers asking if there was something important about Bilbo going West with Frodo. They basically had forgotten all about him, as he had not been in the film prior to that, and Bilbo had not been seen 2 years at that time! Of course, I've known Bilbo since I first read the books nearly 30 years before, so of course it meant something to me: but when I took of my Lord-of-the-Rings-fan hat, I realized that he basically just popped out of nowhere in the end!


That being said, Ian Holm, Peter Jackson, and Ian Ian McLellan all commented then that Holm was too old to play Bilbo in the Hobbit. He really was too old to play it in Lord of the Rings, but it would have just looked wrong to have a man in his mid-30's being an avuncular figure to a man in his early 20's.


It does read as if New Line is pulling its head out of its collective nether orifice and getting back on page with Peter Jackson. I know that many Tolkien absolutely hated Jackson et al.'s films, but the general public (who outnumber Tolkien fans in a way that makes Helm's Deep look like a fair fight!) disagreed. So did the Illuminati, for that matter!

Rhys Davies most certainly will not be returning: the prosthetics nearly killed him! That is too bad, as he could have done Thorin very well, and he clearly loved the project: when his face did not feel like it was on fire!

Potterwatch07 October 21st, 2007 3:52 am

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It would be wonderful for PJ to direct the Hobbit, as he was so very true to the LOTR trilogy books, and his vision for LOTR was brilliant. It is great to see that there is a hope again that he will direct the Hobbit. It just would not be the same if he did not direct it, and I really think he should be the only director to ever be considered for it.

osuginny October 26th, 2007 11:13 pm

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I really hope PJ gets to do this movie. Even though there were about a million details in his LOTR movies that I wished would have been included or left out, I thought he did an amazing job of portraying the overall story, and especially the feel of Middle Earth.

Anyone else wouldn't be able to duplicate it... and I'd be afraid that they would know that, and try to make their vision as different from Jackson's as possible. Which would end up being horrible.

It would also be awesome if Ian McKellen and Andy Serkis reprise their roles. I'm kind of indifferent on Ian Holm as Bilbo... it would be nice for continuity, but he probably would be too old. Although when I read The Hobbit I think I incorrectly pictured Bilbo as older anyway, so the age really wouldn't bother me.

jhonen32629 October 27th, 2007 3:09 am

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Peter Jackson directing the hobbit? Of course! He brought the story to life on screen, very good movies. Can watch them in one sitting though lol. don't know how I saw The Return of the King in theatres without going for a bathroom break lol.

I would definately see the Hobbit if it came out as a movie for I loved the book, very differant from any of the books out today, amazing.

Half_Blood26 November 4th, 2007 3:55 pm

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I never heard or thought of The Hobbit being a movie, but it fits I guess and I would love to see it.
This is what it said on IMDB
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Status:Announced
Comments:New Line and Jackson are rumored to be in talks, but no agreements have been announced
So I don't know what to think, again I would love to see it, so I hope it is bgoing to be filmed.

cybobbie November 8th, 2007 11:07 pm

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Oh, that would be great and with Peter jackson directing it a dream come true!! The Hobbit was the first book of the gender that I read when I was only 10 (quite a bit ago) and was the one that got me in the reading LotR, Silmarilion, Harry Potter and so many others!
I'm already writing some emails to the people involved in the film that I've got from the link!!!

Uriel November 16th, 2007 10:29 pm

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I've seen the animated version and I don't care for it. If someone is going to do "The Hobbit" I would love for Jackson to take it. I trust him as he really did an excellent job on the LOTR's films. I have read the book and ,unlike the animated film, it didn't mesh "The Hobbit" and "The Fellowship of the Ring" together, so I don't know if a two parter is necessary. Unless, Jackson would like to add some early history on Frodo then he may need to do another film, but otherwise I think one will do. It's past time for it to be done if you ask me.

Wizard_Pupil November 19th, 2007 2:16 pm

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Oh gosh no.
As I love The Hobbit, so much, definitely I will NOT like PJ adding more Frodo in The Hobbit as well, where those characters should NOT be. Gosh Arwen , Legolas, Aragorn noo XDD

He did enough ripping characters of LOTR.

the Hobbit is a perfect book to made a total faithful movie without any change.

But Peter Jackson doing The Hobbit, as he did with some characters of LOTR::: that sounds more like an horror movie.
yeap, an horror movie XDDDDDDDDDD

cybobbie November 19th, 2007 3:35 pm

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^I agree with you regarding the content of the movie being just Hobbit related, withou including any other characters, since the book is awesome and have great characters without the need of any changes or inclusion. However I desagree with you when you say that Peter Jackson didn't do great with LotR. For me the movies are brilliant nd he did a amazing job!! And I trust that he would do the same with The Hobbit, at least this is my opinion.

PhoenixLuna December 19th, 2007 11:12 pm

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It's cool that Jackson's back even if he is the producer instead of director. I can’t wait to see this in 2010!

cybobbie December 20th, 2007 1:55 am

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^Yes it is! As I said before I would love to see him directing it but I think that to have him as producer is good enough. I didn't know that they already set a date for the release of the movie - 2010, that's quite a long wait!

Aiwendil December 20th, 2007 5:38 am

Additional information
 
December 19, 2007 A Long-Expected Party!

It has finally happened!

Here are some additional news articles:

Courtesy imdb.com:

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Providing few details, Peter Jackson and New Line Cinema have settled their differences over Jackson's share of profits fro the Lord of the Rings trilogy and will proceed to make The Hobbit, a planned prequel to the trilogy. "I'm very pleased that we've been able to put our differences behind us, so that we may begin a new chapter with our old friends at New Line," Jackson said in a statement. He indicated that The Hobbit will be produced as two separate films beginning in 2009 but will be shot simultaneously, with the first film due to be released in 2010 and the second the following year (provided that the writers' strike does not extend long into 2008). The two films could breathe new life into New Line, which has experienced a raft of flops over the past year, with only Hairspray a bona fide hit. It could also boost the fortunes of MGM, which will co-finance the films with New Line. It, too, has experienced a low batting average, although its films have generally had a much lower production cost than New Line's, whose latest release, The Golden Compass, reportedly cost more than $200 million to make but has generated only $41 million in domestic ticket sales and $90 million in overseas sales after two weeks. Although Rings fans expressed delight at the announcement, their response was muted by trade reports that it was unlikely that Jackson would direct the Hobbit films. MGM Chairman Harry Sloan told Reuters that Jackson was committed to other film projects, making it impossible for him to direct the Hobbit films and simultaneously fulfill other obligations, which include directing the film version of The Lovely Bones and co-directing, with Steven Spielberg, Tintin.


More information can be found here.

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"Sounds like a ploy to double the money by doubling the number of movies. Not good and I'm disappointed in PJ."
I do not know the facts, but I really think the two-part decision was made by New Line and/or MGM, not Jackson. If someone knows for sure, please let us know.

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"The second for sure it´s an invention of Peter Jackson, a whole story about Aragorn, Frodo, Arwen, Legolas childhood"....
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"maybe someone can tell me where they can cut it into two films"
First of all, if you go by the book, Frodo was not yet born, Aragorn was a child, and Arwen was in Lórien. :)

But seriously, Tolkien fans have discussed in depth where The Hobbit could be split, and the majority believe that the dwarves' arrival at the boarder of Mirkwood would be the best place to end the first part. With Jackson on board, scenes involving Gandalf's simultaneous business with the White Council and the Necromancer (Sauron in disguise), as revealed in the appendices of LotR, are virtually guaranteed. Once again, most, but not all, Rings fans approve of this. That would add a decent amount of time to the film.

However, it is also rumored that the first film will wrap up the story of The Hobbit, and the second film will consist entirely of things that happen between LotR and The Hobbit; therefore bridging the two stories.

With Jackson involved, that hopefully means the return of Ian McKellen, Hugo Weaving and Andy Serkis as Gandalf, Elrond, and Gollum!

If scenes of the White Council are indeed included, Jackson would most likely be able to get Rings cast members Cate Blanchett and Christopher Lee to reprise their roles as Galadriel and Saruman as well.

Hooray! Finally, after many tears and years of waiting, “The Hobbit” will happen! We went there, and now we can go back again. This is so exciting!
:clap:

dobbylikesme December 20th, 2007 9:12 am

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I love that rumor about making one movie about "The Hobbit" and one movie about things happened between TH and LotR, because I just cannot see turning TH into two movies. It's been a while since I read that book, but I do remember I found it rather dull, and 2 movies would just be overkill in my opinion. But then Tolkien wrote so much more about Middle Earth, so if they make one TH and one based on Sillmarilion (sp?), I'd be down with that.

Aiwendil December 21st, 2007 2:56 am

Silmarillion
 
Unfortunately, J.R.R. Tolkien's son, Christopher Tolkien, has a tight hold on the rights to The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, and other works, and does not like the idea of a film adaptation.

However, there is plenty of information in the appendices of LotR that could be made into a "bridge" film. There was also a mention of using certain notes made by Tolkien, but I do not know the facts on that one.

ginger1 December 21st, 2007 8:28 am

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Do you think Peter Jackson will be able to have input on where the film is made? It would be great if his native New Zealand was used again, as the awesome scenery fitted Middle Earth so well. And Weta Digital, and all the guys who took such care about the detailing of the sets, costumes - all of it! - in LOTR - it was the attention to detail that swept us up in the totally believable world. - And not forgetting the score - if only they could persuade Howard Shore to come on board - and Ian McKellan to reprise his role as Gandalf - it could be good if it all came together.

The trouble is that it has to be the equal of LOTR in feeling, and that's why we wanted Peter Jackson to take the helm - anything else may fall short in comparison.

Aiwendil December 22nd, 2007 8:44 pm

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Being executive producer gives Peter Jackson complete creative control, so most likely it will be done in NZ (the Shire set they built into a hill on a farm is still intact), and with Weta. Hopefully, if someone other than Peter or Fran Walsh directs, Peter will still make sure that the "feeling" and continuity of his Middle-earth remains the same. Jackson also kept many props, sets and costumes from LotR, so that's good.

Ian McKellen and Howard Shore have both expressed, more than once I believe, that they would love to return to Middle-earth if Jackson is involved. I don't think there will be much need for persuasion!

Headless_Nick December 31st, 2007 8:13 pm

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Originally Posted by dobbylikesme (Post 4873548)
I love that rumor about making one movie about "The Hobbit" and one movie about things happened between TH and LotR, because I just cannot see turning TH into two movies. It's been a while since I read that book, but I do remember I found it rather dull, and 2 movies would just be overkill in my opinion. But then Tolkien wrote so much more about Middle Earth, so if they make one TH and one based on Sillmarilion (sp?), I'd be down with that.

In the book The Hobbit a lot of detail concerning the different places in the book and the histories of various different peoples is given. Part of the magic of movies is the ability to show rather than just tell. However, that being said, the tale of The Hobbit alone does not seem to make for a good two movies. The Lord of the Rings movies could have easily been elongated and split into two movies each (heck, that's what happened with the books - there's a "book one" and "book two" for each section of the trilogy). Admittedly, that would probably be overkill sequel-wise for the movies.

Pearl_Took December 31st, 2007 9:23 pm

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Well, the idea is that the two movies will be:

1) The Hobbit
Which is good news. :)

and:

2) A bridge movie that covers the period between The Hobbit and the events leading up to LotR.
And it's this idea that makes me feel rather :err:

I suppose they will include stuff like The White Council and Aragorn's years in exile and ... well, who knows what, but honestly, this really makes me feel rather nervous.

I think the title for the second film should be: Milking the Tolkien Cash Cow For All It's Worth. :rolleyes:

I speak as a fan who greatly enjoyed the LotR film trilogy, btw.

Raven_Girly January 4th, 2008 8:37 am

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I was glad to hear that Peter Jackson will be involved in The Hobbit. It would have been great to see him directing again but oh well. I find it interesting that there will be two films. I like the idea of the second being the "bridging" film. I just don't see how you'd split The Hobbit into two. I'm hoping that the two films will be filmed in New Zealand as well. :)

GrangerHermione January 4th, 2008 9:15 pm

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Oh, wow! I didn't know that they were making a Hobbit film! I've only seen the cartoon one. I like it, but a REAL film will be so much better! The Hobbit was my favorite LotR book, and I'm excited to see it now that I know!
Thanks!
-GH

imacheeto January 7th, 2008 6:16 pm

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excelent, glad it's comin out. I hope Jackson directs.

ParanoidAndroid January 7th, 2008 9:11 pm

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I don't know how to feel about this right now. I was a huge LOTR fan and still think they are rather good, but I'm not all that interested in this right now. I'm sure it will be fantastic, though.

Raven_Girly January 9th, 2008 6:56 am

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Originally Posted by imacheeto (Post 4892885)
I hope Jackson directs.

Unfortunately, he will not be directing. He definitely has a large role in the making of the films though - he will be an executive producer. :)

HouseStark January 13th, 2008 9:22 pm

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According to Elijah Wood, theres going to be another LOTR movie between the Hobbit and Fellowship of the Ring.

GrangerHermione January 16th, 2008 7:44 pm

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Originally Posted by HouseStark (Post 4898886)
According to Elijah Wood, theres going to be another LOTR movie between the Hobbit and Fellowship of the Ring.

Yeah, I heard about that, too. I wonder what it will be about?

RemusLupinFan January 16th, 2008 10:09 pm

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I can't wait to see the Hobbit, especially if Peter Jackson is going to be involved in the making of it! I'd not heard that there was going to be another movie though - that's interesting. I'm sure it'll be great though.

AcidPop January 17th, 2008 4:34 am

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I'll certainly see The Hobbit movie (LOVE Smaug), but it's this second LOTR film that has me really interested. What exactly is it going to be about?!

Pearl_Took January 17th, 2008 11:56 am

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Originally Posted by AcidPop (Post 4902073)
I'll certainly see The Hobbit movie (LOVE Smaug), but it's this second LOTR film that has me really interested. What exactly is it going to be about?!

Merlin only knows! :rolleyes: :lol:

The thing is: if they're planning to do a 'bridge' kind of story between The Hobbit and LotR, then what kind of source material will they use for it? :whistle: What is the copyright situation with Tolkien's publishers? What's Christopher Tolkien's take on all this? It's just really ... odd.

Anyhow, my initial reaction to the 'second LotR film' ain't positive. :p

I'm looking forward to The Hobbit :) but the prospect of a 'second LotR' film just makes me feel like a curmudgeon, or an über-purist. :no: :D

GrangerHermione January 17th, 2008 7:05 pm

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Originally Posted by Pearl_Took (Post 4902210)
Merlin only knows! :rolleyes: :lol:

The thing is: if they're planning to do a 'bridge' kind of story between The Hobbit and LotR, then what kind of source material will they use for it? :whistle: What is the copyright situation with Tolkien's publishers? What's Christopher Tolkien's take on all this? It's just really ... odd.

Anyhow, my initial reaction to the 'second LotR film' ain't positive. :p

I'm looking forward to The Hobbit :) but the prospect of a 'second LotR' film just makes me feel like a curmudgeon, or an über-purist. :no: :D

I'm really excited about The Hobbit, too. It was my favorite LotR book.

I agree with you on the point that there is no source material for this "bridge" movie. I'm interested to see it, just because I like LotR, but it kind of seems like they're just going to make up the second movie. That doesn't sound too smart to me.

Pearl_Took January 17th, 2008 7:23 pm

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Originally Posted by GrangerHermione (Post 4902458)
I agree with you on the point that there is no source material for this "bridge" movie. I'm interested to see it, just because I like LotR, but it kind of seems like they're just going to make up the second movie. That doesn't sound too smart to me.

My feelings exactly, hon. :agree:

I mean, I will watch anything about Middle-earth if it's well done :) but ... I dunno ... they've gotta base this thing on something the good Professor actually wrote.

Otherwise ... :err:

Aiwendil January 28th, 2008 6:27 am

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Originally Posted by GrangerHermione
I agree with you on the point that there is no source material for this "bridge" movie. I'm interested to see it, just because I like LotR, but it kind of seems like they're just going to make up the second movie. That doesn't sound too smart to me.

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My feelings exactly, hon.

I mean, I will watch anything about Middle-earth if it's well done but ... I dunno ... they've gotta base this thing on something the good Professor actually wrote.

Professor Tolkien included in the appendices to The Lord of the Rings a timeline, The Tale of Years, that chronicles events in Middle-earth. There is enough information there, in my opinion, to support a film, or at least to provide a basis for the story. Here are some highlights that could be used. Words in parenthesis are mine:

-Bard (a human character from The Hobbit) rebuilds, and becomes King of, the township of Dale, which was destroyed by Smaug the dragon.

-Gandalf and Balin visit Bilbo in the Shire.

-Gollum leaves his cave in search of The Ring and "Baggins". Later he enters Mordor, and becomes acquainted with Shelob. (Further events involving Gollum, his capture by Sauron and his subsequent escape, Gandalf and Aragorn's search for him, Aragorn's capture of him, his imprisonment by the Elvenking [Thranduil], and another escape, all happen after Bilbo's farewell party, but possibly could be worked into this new film.)

-Théoden is born, and later becomes King of Rohan.

-Sauron declares himself openly, rebuilds his tower Barad-dûr in Mordor. Sends three Nazgûl to reoccupy Dol Guldur.

-Elrond reveals Aragorn's ancestry and true identity to him. He meets Arwen, daughter of Elrond.

-The last meeting of the White Council. They debate the Rings. Saruman lies that he has discovered that the One Ring washed downriver and into the sea. Saruman withdraws to Isengard, takes it as his own, and fortifies it. Being jealous and afraid of Gandalf, he sets spies to watch all his movements, and notes Gandalf's interest in the Shire.

-Aragorn meets Gandalf, and their friendship begins. Aragorn undertakes his journeys, and in disguise, serves Denethor's father in Gondor and Théoden's father in Rohan.

-Births of Frodo, Boromir, Faramir and Samwise. (In that order. Faramir and Sam in the same year.)

-Aragorn enters Lórien, and there meets again Arwen Undómiel. They pledge to marry (as mentioned in their scene in Rivendell on the bridge, in FotR).

-Denethor's father dies, and he becomes Steward of Gondor.

-Balin (whose tomb we see in FotR), enters Moria. He later dies, and the dwarf-colony is destroyed.

-Saruman dares to use the palantír he knew was in the tower of Orthanc, but becomes ensnared by Sauron, who has another palantír (Denethor has another, though we don't see it in the film). Saruman becomes a traitor to the White Council. His spies report that the Shire is being closely guarded by the Rangers, allies of Aragorn.

~

Christopher Tolkien has a tight hold on the rights to his father's other works, including The Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales, and apparently he does not intend to release them for a film.

Hysteria January 28th, 2008 9:31 am

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-Elrond reveals Aragorn's ancestry and true identity to him. He meets Arwen, daughter of Elrond.
I really like that part of the story. Hopefully it is included in whatever movie this is that is going to be made.

Pearl_Took January 28th, 2008 10:16 am

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Originally Posted by Aiwendil (Post 4912467)
-Bard (a human character from The Hobbit) rebuilds, and becomes King of, the township of Dale, which was destroyed by Smaug the dragon.

-Gandalf and Balin visit Bilbo in the Shire.

-Gollum leaves his cave in search of The Ring and "Baggins". Later he enters Mordor, and becomes acquainted with Shelob. (Further events involving Gollum, his capture by Sauron and his subsequent escape, Gandalf and Aragorn's search for him, Aragorn's capture of him, his imprisonment by the Elvenking [Thranduil], and another escape, all happen after Bilbo's farewell party, but possibly could be worked into this new film.)

-Théoden is born, and later becomes King of Rohan.

-Sauron declares himself openly, rebuilds his tower Barad-dûr in Mordor. Sends three Nazgûl to reoccupy Dol Guldur.

-Elrond reveals Aragorn's ancestry and true identity to him. He meets Arwen, daughter of Elrond.

-The last meeting of the White Council. They debate the Rings. Saruman lies that he has discovered that the One Ring washed downriver and into the sea. Saruman withdraws to Isengard, takes it as his own, and fortifies it. Being jealous and afraid of Gandalf, he sets spies to watch all his movements, and notes Gandalf's interest in the Shire.

-Aragorn meets Gandalf, and their friendship begins. Aragorn undertakes his journeys, and in disguise, serves Denethor's father in Gondor and Théoden's father in Rohan.

-Births of Frodo, Boromir, Faramir and Samwise. (In that order. Faramir and Sam in the same year.)

-Aragorn enters Lórien, and there meets again Arwen Undómiel. They pledge to marry (as mentioned in their scene in Rivendell on the bridge, in FotR).

-Denethor's father dies, and he becomes Steward of Gondor.

-Balin (whose tomb we see in FotR), enters Moria. He later dies, and the dwarf-colony is destroyed.

-Saruman dares to use the palantír he knew was in the tower of Orthanc, but becomes ensnared by Sauron, who has another palantír (Denethor has another, though we don't see it in the film). Saruman becomes a traitor to the White Council. His spies report that the Shire is being closely guarded by the Rangers, allies of Aragorn.

Aiwendil, I agree that this is all fabulous material. :cool:

But all this stuff contained in the Appendices does not actually contain dialogue. So you would need an exceptionally good screenwriter to invent the dialogue.

PJ's LotR trilogy always hit the high notes when the films stuck to Tolkien's original prose. Even if they put a book character's lines in the mouth of someone else, when they stuck to Tolkien, they did OK. :) But some of the invented dialogue was, frankly, dreadful; e.g. Gimli talking about "squirrel droppings" and such-like. :rolleyes:

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Christopher Tolkien has a tight hold on the rights to his father's other works, including The Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales, and apparently he does not intend to release them for a film.
Yes, quite. Hell would freeze over before C.T. would ever sell the film rights. ;)

Aiwendil February 2nd, 2008 2:58 am

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Aiwendil, I agree that this is all fabulous material.

But all this stuff contained in the Appendices does not actually contain dialogue. So you would need an exceptionally good screenwriter to invent the dialogue.

PJ's LotR trilogy always hit the high notes when the films stuck to Tolkien's original prose. Even if they put a book character's lines in the mouth of someone else, when they stuck to Tolkien, they did OK. But some of the invented dialogue was, frankly, dreadful; e.g. Gimli talking about "squirrel droppings" and such-like.
People were wondering where they would get source material, someone said it seemed as if they were going to make up the second film, and you said they should base it on something Tolkien actually wrote.

There it is. Yes, they would need to create dialogue, and figure out how to link everything together properly, but they do have source material to go by.

And I think Jackson's team, if they all return, would handle the writing pretty well. Yeah, you'll have an occasional, pardon the pun, "stinker" such as the example you provide, (and you just had to give one of the worst lines as an example:p), but I'm afraid that is nearly unavoidable considering the general audience these days.

ComicBookWorm February 2nd, 2008 3:10 am

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It'll be interesting to see how they bring that source material to life. I know that the Silmarillion is constructed from that same kind of material and it's deadly dull (although JRR Tolkien didn't write it).

Aiwendil February 2nd, 2008 6:57 am

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Originally Posted by ComicBookWorm (Post 4916703)
It'll be interesting to see how they bring that source material to life. I know that the Silmarillion is constructed from that same kind of material and it's deadly dull (although JRR Tolkien didn't write it).

Actually, J.R.R. Tolkien did write The Silmarillion. He began work on it in the early teens, before he wrote The Hobbit, which was published in 1937. His son, Christopher Tolkien, edited and published The Sil in 1977.

Wizard_Pupil February 2nd, 2008 3:57 pm

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Originally Posted by Aiwendil (Post 4916900)
Actually, J.R.R. Tolkien did write The Silmarillion. He began work on it in the early teens, before he wrote The Hobbit, which was published in 1937. His son, Christopher Tolkien, edited and published The Sil in 1977.


Indeed. The Silmarillion was JRR Tolkien biggest writting.

Actually, to publish The Silmarillion was the most impossible dream for JRR Tolkien. He tryed to publish The Silmarillion many times while he was alive... but any editor accepted it ...

The Silmarillion was never finished anyways.

But great that Christopher Tolkien finally publishing Tolkien´s master piece in 1977!!!

BTW: I am a kind of happy... ehh... Guillermo del Toro will direct The Hobbit :tu:
At least I love his spanish movies!!!!!!!

Pearl_Took February 2nd, 2008 11:46 pm

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Originally Posted by ComicBookWorm (Post 4916703)
It'll be interesting to see how they bring that source material to life. I know that the Silmarillion is constructed from that same kind of material and it's deadly dull (although JRR Tolkien didn't write it).

:lol: Dull? I avoided Sil for years because it didn't have hobbits. :lol:

It's an AMAZING book. :cool:

The events of the First Age make the events of the Third look like a Sunday school picnic. :wow:

And, yep, Tolkien most certainly wrote it. He just didn't finish it. Christopher did all the editing work.

Personally I would love a Downfall of Numenor movie. That would rock my world.

Or Beren and Luthien. That would be cool. Sauron as a werewolf!

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Originally Posted by Wizard_Pupil (Post 4917100)
BTW: I am a kind of happy... ehh... Guillermo del Toro will direct The Hobbit :tu:
At least I love his spanish movies!!!!!!!

Is it actually confirmed that del Toro is doing it? I was thoroughly spoiled for LotR but I'm not keeping abreast of the Hobbit movie news at all. :)

That's kind of wild. :D If nothing else, the visuals will be wonderful!

(I thought that Pan's Labyrinth was incredible. One of the most intense films I've ever seen.)

Aiwendil February 3rd, 2008 4:53 am

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Originally Posted by Pearl_Took (Post 4917519)

Is it actually confirmed that del Toro is doing it? I was thoroughly spoiled for LotR but I'm not keeping abreast of the Hobbit movie news at all. :)

That's kind of wild. :D If nothing else, the visuals will be wonderful!

(I thought that Pan's Labyrinth was incredible. One of the most intense films I've ever seen.)

Yes, it was publicized a few days ago that it is 99% certain that Guillermo del Toro will direct The Hobbit. Everything is done except the actual signing of papers, which will take place after the writer's strike has ended.

I'm cautiosly excited about this, I'd rather see Jackson or Fran Walsh direct. However, I've been comforted by several other major Tolkien fans that del Toro is the next best choice in their opinion.

Here is a decent article: Del Toro doubles up for 'Hobbit'

Pearl_Took February 4th, 2008 1:18 pm

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Yes, I'm cautiously excited and cautiously optimistic too. :D :)

Oddly enough, I'm not clamouring for PJ to do it. Although I love his LotR, I do have a few nitpicks about it as well. His big operatic approach towards the book did work well though. :)

But I've always thought that The Hobbit might benefit from a slightly different touch.

GrangerHermione February 4th, 2008 5:41 pm

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Originally Posted by Pearl_Took (Post 4917519)
:lol: Dull? I avoided Sil for years because it didn't have hobbits. :lol:

No Hobbits? :( I don't know if I can read a LotR books with no Hobbits in it. :grumble:

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Originally Posted by Pearl_Took (Post 4918710)
Yes, I'm cautiously excited and cautiously optimistic too. :D :)

:lol: Me too. But it has Hobbits! :clap: So it will be fine. :p

Pearl_Took February 4th, 2008 9:15 pm

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Originally Posted by GrangerHermione (Post 4918873)
No Hobbits? :( I don't know if I can read a LotR books with no Hobbits in it. :grumble:

That was exactly my reaction for many years, GH. :lol:

What on earth is a book by Tolkien without hobbits? :grumble:

But, honestly, Silmarillion is wonderful. :) The Elves in it are very, very cool. Very, very deadly and incredibly feisty. They're also very tragic.

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But it has Hobbits! :clap: So it will be fine. :p
That's the spirit! :rockon:

Aiwendil February 8th, 2008 7:50 am

Christopher Lee willing to return as Saruman?
 
Popmatters has an article on the career of Christopher Lee, in which he expresses interest in reprising his role as Saruman.

Link: Christopher Lee remains busy after 60 years of acting

Relevant excerpt:
Lee not only has impressive knowledge of golf and film, he also in something of an expert on the work of J.R.R. Tolkien.

“I remember first reading `The Lord of the Rings’ back in the 1950s,” Lee said. “I thought they would make great movies, but technically it couldn’t be done back then. I envisioned myself playing Gandolf (eventually played by Ian McKellen) but I did end up getting the part of Saruman.”

Noting that it was recently announced that Peter Jackson had agreed to film a couple of prequels about “The Hobbit,” Lee said he hoped that “Mr. Jackson” might found a place for him in those movies.

“I don’t know if that will happen but I would certainly be interested in doing it,” Lee said.

It would be surprising if Jackson couldn’t find a part for Christopher Lee, a man who has been a movie icon for more than 50 years and is still going strong.


I certainly hope it will happen! Awesome! :tu:

Pearl_Took February 8th, 2008 12:40 pm

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Yes, seeing Saruman at The White Council would certainly be pretty cool. :)

Aiwendil February 12th, 2008 8:34 pm

Tolkien Estate Sues New Line Cinema
 
Oh, dear. Here we go again.

What a roller coaster ride for The Hobbit. Jackson and New Line finally settle....Jackson named executive producer....Del Toro named director, to be made official after writer's strike....recently announced that the writer's strike is very close an end.

It's all looking good...now this.

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Monday February 11, 2008

Tolkien Estate Sues New Line Cinema

The plaintiffs seek more than $150 million in compensatory damages, unspecified punitive damages and a court order giving the Tolkien estate the right to terminate any rights New Line may have to make films based on other works by the author, including "The Hobbit."

Such an order would scuttle plans by New Line to make a two-film prequel based on "The Hobbit." "Rings" trilogy director Peter Jackson has already signed on to serve as executive producer on the project, which is tentatively slated to begin production next year, with releases planned for 2010 and 2011.

"The Tolkien trustees do not file lawsuits lightly, and have tried unsuccessfully to resolve their claims out of court," Steven Maier, an attorney for the Tolkien estate based in Britain, said in a statement. "New Line has not paid the plaintiffs even one penny of its contractual share of gross receipts despite the billions of dollars of gross revenue generated by these wildly successful motion pictures."



Read the entire article here.

Please settle very soon, people. We want our Tolkien movie!

ComicBookWorm February 12th, 2008 8:49 pm

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Oh please. This is just too much. I don't think we will see a Hobbit movie soon.

Pearl_Took February 13th, 2008 11:54 am

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Seems like the Valar smiled on Peter Jackson's project when he made LotR into a film trilogy. :) Everything just came together for that. :cool:

Whereas the Hobbit project currently seems to be under a doom of Morgoth. ;)

Aiwendil February 16th, 2008 12:42 am

Serkis and Del Toro comment
 
These are the latest tidbits regarding The Hobbit. Click the links to view the entire articles.

Feb. 14th, 2008
Empire Exclusive: Del Toro Gives Hobbit Update On the original cast and that law suit.

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We caught up with Guillermo Del Toro but a few minutes ago and asked him for an update on the current situation with The Hobbit. Many sites have been reporting that his deal to direct is signed and sealed and just waiting for an end to the writers' strike before it's announced. But that’s not so, he says.

“I wish it was definite, but it isn’t,” he told us. “It’s still in talks, there are still a lot of 'T's to cross and 'I's to dot. It’s certainly not certain yet…But, as far as I’m concerned, [if it was definite] I would be packed in ten seconds”.

Many will know that earlier this week the Tolkien estate announced that they are suing New Line for money they say is owed them from the Lord of the Rings trilogy, which could potentially mean the studio loses the rights to make The Hobbit.

“I heard that, but I’m quite zen about those things,” Del Toro continued. “Since that news broke, I have not exchanged a single phone call with my lawyer or my manager or anyone. They talk about it and I have received some emails, but, as far as I’m concerned, until I’m on board I should not worry about it. I read about it, but there’s nothing I can do about it. This week seems to be the lawsuit week in Hollywood”.

Finally, if, fingers crossed, he does put pen to paper to direct The Hobbit and its sequel, we asked him if he’d bring back any of the Lord of the Rings cast whose characters appear in The Hobbit, like Andy Serkis and Ian McKellen.

“Yeah, absolutely. I’ve been pretty much incredibly open about the things that I love and don’t love in the past. I’ve turned down huge franchises in the past because there are parts of that world I don’t gel with. The reason I took Blade 2 is because I love the characters that Stephen Norrington created and the actors he used. That times ten is the reason why I’m interested in The Hobbit”

There may be lots of bizarre typos and randomly inserted symbols in stories in the near future, as we'll be typing with fingers crossed that this will finally happen.

~~

Feb. 15th, 2008:
Den of Geek Andy Serkis interview: Robert Rankin, The Hobbit, Tintin & more!

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And the question of the moment, really, which we’re surely nobody has ever asked. But would you be looking to get involved in The Hobbit?

"Yeah, well if The Hobbit happens, and there’s reason to believe that it will, then I think I’m in with a chance! Gollum is very much part of The Hobbit, after all."

Well, that's original actors for Gandalf, Saruman, Gollum and Galadriel all willing to return, with Peter Jackson on board, and a soon-to-be-director who wants them.

Now, let's get this lawsuit out of the way and get to work!

Dandinigirl13 March 1st, 2008 2:38 pm

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OMG! The hobbit is being made into a film? Can't wait, Lotr was like, one of my fave trilogies of all time! If Peter Jackson's doin it, then, great! But it confuses me a bit as to why he didn't do the hobbit first...:lol:

The books are amazing too! :lol:

JJFinch March 1st, 2008 4:59 pm

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Originally Posted by Aiwendil (Post 4929588)
Well, that's original actors for Gandalf, Saruman, Gollum and Galadriel all willing to return, with Peter Jackson on board, and a soon-to-be-director who wants them.

Wait, am I understanding right - they're going to keep the same cast for the characters listed above?? I really hope so. YAY!!!:love:

EDIT: I've just read the posts about the lawsuit. Bloody suing!!! Who invented the idea of suing? Who? Because I'd like to sue them for ruining everyone's fun...:grumble:

Wizard_Pupil March 1st, 2008 7:16 pm

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The suing is totally OK, things has to be legal and correct.
If they didnt pay the right sot Tolkien they dont deserve to make movies about Tolkien´s works.

But anyway
Now the New Line is over... why people still insist in that Peter Jackson as a director of The Hobbit?? XDD As far as I know, now anyone knows anything about the future of The Hobbit.

Whatever, I hope Peter Jackson will be out of it anyway. It should have other director and other screenwriters...

speedy March 24th, 2008 6:29 pm

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"Whatever, I hope Peter Jackson will be out of it anyway. It should have other director and other screenwriters... "

What Peter jackson did a good job with LOTR why shouldn't he be involved in the hobbit, And I'm pretty sure it's been announced that Jackson is involved in the movie.

And if peter jackson isn't involved in it then they'll ruin the film.


The reason the hobbit wasn't made into a film first was becaue new line didn't have the contract for it another company had it .

Aiwendil April 20th, 2008 7:50 am

Official Announcement in 4-5 Days?!
 
Guillermo Del Toro says in an interview with ign.com, that news on his involvement with The Hobbit should come in the next four to five days.

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April 19, 2008 - Lord of the Rings fans waiting for a definite answer on Guillermo Del Toro's involvement in The Hobbit prequel films will soon have their answer. In an interview with IGN today, Del Toro revealed that a definitive answer would be coming in the next four or five days.

The Hellboy and Pan's Labyrinth director further elaborated that meetings about music, casting and visual style had already taken place. Del Toro mentioned that if he was hired, he would be doing both prequels and that he would be using his own style rather than adhering to anything set in the Lord of the Rings films.

For more detailed comments, make sure to watch the excerpts from our interview at Comic Con. Click the embed below or watch it in our video player here.

The helmer joked that when the news comes it will be like watching the finale to American Idol with a really excited "fat guy."

Be sure to check back soon for more on this developing project.

Original article can be found by clicking here:
NYCC 08: Del Toro Circles The Hobbit
How close is the helmer to signing a deal?


Sounds like it's going to happen. I had been satisfied with his involvment if Jackson does not direct....but this statement worries me: "Del Toro mentioned that if he was hired, he would be doing both prequels and that he would be using his own style rather than adhering to anything set in the Lord of the Rings films."

I had thought he once said that he would stay close to the world and tone set in the Rings trilogy....

Guess all we can do is wait and see.

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And I'm pretty sure it's been announced that Jackson is involved in the movie.
Yes, Peter Jackson will be Executive Producer.

Aiwendil April 25th, 2008 5:54 am

Official Announcement! Del Toro and McKellen on board!
 
It's official! Del Toro will direct The Hobbit! Ian McKellen will return as Gandalf!

Courtesy Variety.com:

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Guillermo del Toro to direct 'Hobbit'
Filmmaker signs on helm feature and sequel


In a major step forward on “The Hobbit,” Guillermo del Toro has signed on to direct the New Line-MGM tentpole and its sequel.
The widely expected announcement -- which had been rumored for several weeks -- came Thursday afternoon jointly from exec producers Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh, New Line president Toby Emmerich, and Mary Parent, newly named chief of MGM’s Worldwide Motion Picture Group.

Del Toro’s moving to New Zealand for the next four years to work with Jackson and his Wingnut and Weta production teams. He’ll direct the two films back to back, with the sequel dealing with the 60-year period between “The Hobbit” and “The Fellowship of the Ring,” the first of the “Lord of the Rings” trilogy.

New Line is overseeing development and will manage production. Both pics are being co-produced and co-financed by New Line Cinema and MGM, with Warner Bros. distributing domestically and MGM handling international.

Del Toro won’t leave for New Zealand immediately as he’s still in post-production on U’s “Hellboy 2,” due out in July. His previous pic, “Pan’s Labyrinth,” was released through New Line’s Picturehouse and set a record as the highest grossing Spanish language film in U.S. box office history.

The official signing of Del Toro comes four months after New Line settled a lawsuit with Jackson over “The Lord of the Rings” and announced that it had agreed with MGM to turn J.R.R. Tolkien’s “Hobbit” into two live-action films. Sam Raimi had been perceived as the initial front-runner as director but Del Toro had emerged in recent months as the likely candidate.

The studios didn’t give a start date on production and don’t yet have a script. Though no screenplay deal’s been set, it’s expected that the “LOTR” scripting team of Jackson, Walsh and Philippa Boyens will collaborate with Del Toro.

With Del Toro blocking out four years for the project, it’s likely that the studios are aiming at starting shooting next year and releasing the films in late 2011 and 2012.

Jackson’s WETA stages, post-production and visual effects facilities -- built for “The Lord of the Rings” -- will be used for both films. And New Zealand will again be the site of Middle-earth, with the story centering on Bilbo Baggins taking the Ring of Power from Gollum.

Courtesy Stuff.co.nz:

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Director will call Middle-Earth home
The Dominion Post | Friday, 25 April 2008


PRECIOUS PAIR: Peter Jackson with director Guillermo del Toro, who is to move to New Zealand for four years to make two Lord of the Rings prequels.

BREAKING NEWS: Hellboy and Pan's Labyrinth director Guillermo del Toro will spend four years in New Zealand making two films based on The Lord of the Rings prequel The Hobbit, it was confirmed today.


The official announcement was made in Hollywood by Lord of the Rings director Peter Jackson - who will co-produce The Hobbit - fellow producer Fran Walsh, and executives from New Line Cinema and MGM.

Jackson and Walsh said del Toro was "a genuine storyteller" of outstanding ability.

"A true original, Guillermo is a cinematic magician who has never lost his child-like sense of wonder. He understands that the fantastic must be grounded in the real and that all stories are only ever a reflection of ourselves," say Jackson and Walsh.

"We have long admired Guillermo's work and cannot think of a more inspired filmmaker to take the journey back to Middle-earth. We are delighted ‘The Hobbit' is in such trustworthy hands."

Del Toro said he considered himself "blessed" to become part of the filmmaking community in New Zealand.

The Mexican-born filmmaker will base himself in New Zealand for four years to work with Wingnut Films and Weta production teams.

The two films will be shot back to back.

Del Toro's films include The Devil's Backbone, Blade II, and the Oscar-winning Pan's Labyrinth. His latest movie, Hellboy II: The Golden Army is due for release in July.

In addition, Sir Ian McKellen has added this to his filmography page on his official website, mckellen.com:

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2010 THE HOBBIT
Director: Guillermo del Toro
Role: Gandalf

Wow! I am speechless. I’m beside myself with excitement!

ComicBookWorm April 25th, 2008 9:45 am

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I'm excited too.

Klio April 25th, 2008 10:05 am

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Yesss!! Isn't it great....

Interesting to see that snippet from Ian Mckellen's website.


But as far as I can see, 2010 is off the table. It'll have to be 2011 and 2012 now - there simply isn't enough time!


Think about it - they need a year's post production between filming and release date (that's how it worked for FotR and the time was tight). Therefore filming would have to be done around Christmas 2009. And it would presumably take a year, perhaps a little less.

So, count all of 2009 for filming.... that would leave Del Toro all of half a year for script writing and pre-production once he is finally done with Hellboy 2.

I'd say filming in 2010, films released 2011 and 2012.

I suppose that'll mean that Hobbit1 goes head to head with at least one of the DH films? Or are those scheduled for 2010?


I'd rather not have them in the same year - winter 2001 and 2002 were stressful. Instead of spreading out the joy for everyone HP and LotR went head-to-head both Christmas seasons, and I could have done without that. I want to have time to enjoy BOTH hypes to the full!

Pearl_Took April 25th, 2008 10:06 am

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Yay. :)

I am pleased about Del Toro. :agree: And glad he'll be working so closely with Peter and the gang. :D

My jury is out on the prospect of the second film though ... He’ll direct the two films back to back, with the sequel dealing with the 60-year period between “The Hobbit” and “The Fellowship of the Ring,” the first of the “Lord of the Rings” trilogy.

Hmmm.

Klio April 25th, 2008 10:11 am

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Well, Pearl - at least this will give us all something to speculate ovr the next three years. I am really hopeing for more traffic over at the old Blue Place, to be honest!



My question above has been answered, I suppose.


I just found this over at Muggle Studies, in the DH thread:


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Originally Posted by ArryGrotter (Post 5003326)
EVERYONE:

http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-po...-2010-a-55683/

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The official theatrical release date for the first of two parts of the seventh and final chapter of the Harry Potter series, Deathly Hallows: Part I, has been announced: November 19, 2010.

The date for the second part of the seventh film, Deathly Hallows: Part II, has not been revealed yet, though Warner Bros. already stated that it will make its way into theatres summer 2011.

That's a Friday



Well - this would mean that we'd have a big release in winter 2010, summer 2011, winter 2011 and winter 2012.

That would be lovely pacing. :D

Pearl_Took April 25th, 2008 10:30 am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Klio (Post 5003381)
Well, Pearl - at least this will give us all something to speculate ovr the next three years. I am really hoping for more traffic over at the old Blue Place, to be honest!

Klio, I doubt I have the energy for it anymore. :D I'll take it as it comes. :tu:

It's absolutely great that McKellan returns as Gandalf, of course. McKellan just is Movie Gandalf. :love: One can't possibly envisage any kind of Hobbit movie without him!

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Well - this would mean that we'd have a big release in winter 2010, summer 2011, winter 2011 and winter 2012.
*is briefly confused* *does the maths*

Ah. :) DH Part 1 in winter 2010, DH Part 2 in summer 2011.

Then the Hobbit movie in winter 2011 and the Bridge Film in winter 2012. :tu:

I'm a little bummed we have to wait so long for DH though. :sigh:

And still a little :err: about this jolly 'bridge' film, spanning the time period between The Hobbit and the beginning of LotR. :whistle: Fanfiction, anyone???? :whistle: :p

However, on the bright side: I am really pleased they aren't splitting The Hobbit in two. Really, really pleased about that. :agree:

Now, if only Warner Brothers would listen to my pearls of wisdom about not splitting DH in half. :rolleyes:

:D

GodricHollow April 25th, 2008 2:04 pm

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Is Guillermo planning a LOTR shoot for the Hobbit and the Bridge though? It could well be that they shoot them seperately, in which case 2010 is perfectly viable.

Klio April 25th, 2008 2:27 pm

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Originally Posted by Pearl_Took (Post 5003391)
Klio, I doubt I have the energy for it anymore. :D I'll take it as it comes. :tu:

Hmmm... what I have seen hereabouts makes me doubt that you lack the energy - interest and/or enthusiasm is another matter. I was, in fact, speaking generally, without any intentions to nudge you over there.


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It's absolutely great that McKellan returns as Gandalf, of course. McKellan just is Movie Gandalf. :love: One can't possibly envisage any kind of Hobbit movie without him!
That's nit yet officially confirmed. his site could be campaigning or leaking almost finished realities - we can't tell as yet (I would think it's the second, but that's a guess).

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Originally Posted by GodricHollow (Post 5003542)
Is Guillermo planning a LOTR shoot for the Hobbit and the Bridge though? It could well be that they shoot them seperately, in which case 2010 is perfectly viable.

That's been confirmed. Back-to-back shooting for both films. In NZ.

GodricHollow April 25th, 2008 2:31 pm

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Ah. Right. Yes, 2010 is going to be a problem then.

Klio April 25th, 2008 8:09 pm

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I should have given you an authoritative source for this - sorry that I forgot to do that.

here is the Variety article that was published less than 24 hours ago. This news is still very recent, so it hasn't become part of oublic knowledge just yet, I suppose....

http://www.variety.com/VR1117984595.html



EDIT:

more CRUCIAL information - really worth reading, from GDT himself.
http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2008...-hobbit-films/

This clears up quite a lot, actually.

Wimsey April 25th, 2008 10:25 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pearl_Took (Post 5003391)
However, on the bright side: I am really pleased they aren't splitting The Hobbit in two. Really, really pleased about that. :agree:

Interesting: several of the reports had "corrected" this to saying that it will be The Hobbit in two parts. This makes sense: I cannot see Christopher Tolkien selling the rights for a "fanfiction" movie.

I am wondering how they got the rights to create a film that is "between the lines." Perhaps the fact that there is general information in the Rings appendices (to which Jackson holds the rights) is enough?
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Originally Posted by Pearl_Took (Post 5003391)
Now, if only Warner Brothers would listen to my pearls of wisdom about not splitting DH in half. :rolleyes:

Take everything I wrote about the lessons Rings offers Hallows, and replace "Hallows" with "Hobbit." There is no reason to do the Hobbit in two films. Beorn can chill with Bombadil as far as I'm concerned! ("Hi diddly Ho diddly, oh ursine friend! Honey and mead are as good for bear as man with Tom and his lady!")

Still, Del Toro will be a great director for this. He's good, folks. It makes up for Cuarón not doing it!

(How they can find a story for a second "fill the gap" film is a bit beyond me, though: I'm fearing all plot and no story a la Attack of the Clones!)

Klio April 25th, 2008 10:28 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wimsey (Post 5004095)
Several of the reports have corrected this: it will be The Hobbit in two parts. This makes sense: I cannot see Christopher Tolkien selling the rights for a "fanfiction" movie.


Actually, the corrections were inaccurate. TORN has an authentic interview with Guillermo del Toro, which is later than those reports and surely supercedes them, not least because of his authority. He says that the Hobbit is one story for one movie, and the other film will fill the gap.... See the link I edited into my post above while you were posting yourself. It's worth reading.

ginger1 April 25th, 2008 11:00 pm

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OK, easy question - if (fingers crossed) we have our original and best Gandalf in place, and the possibility of Andy Serkis re-creating Gollum - which should be easier now with the advancement in "capture" techniques - who else? Who will play Bilbo? How will they "do" the dwarves (hopefully not with such excruciating make-up as poor John Rhys-Davies had to suffer as Gimli).

The fact that we seem to have Jackson / New Zealand / Weta Digital / Fran and all the gang set up and ready makes me just want to smile - and breathe a sigh of relief. We trust them to bring us the story. We trust them to put as much effort into The Hobbit as they did with the trilogy. :)

It's going to be great! - But ... the actors - who will they cast?

Ideas?

Klio April 25th, 2008 11:56 pm

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This has been discussed on LotR forums for AGES. I am not going to bore you with all the theories.

Bilbo will be a new actor. Ian Holm can't come back. Opinions of fans are divided whether they should go for someone who looks Bilbo's age (50), or someone who looks young (to match up with the LotR Hobbit looks.

There have been various suggestions - Coli Firth for the 'old' look and James McAvoy for the 'young' look seem to be faviurites. But that's pure fan ideas with no relations to information from the film people.

I am with you in hoping that they won't do dwarves with heavy prothetic make-up again. I still don't see why Rhys Davies with that wig and beard and pretty much his own face couldn't have made just as splendid a Gimpli - and perhaps a better one, because he could have controlled his facial expressions better!

One would assume that some smaller roles could be reprised - Elrond comes to mind, perhaps Galadriel in the 'bridge' movie. Saruman would also be good, but whether Christopher Lee at his age, and after what happened to him in TTT/RotK will come back is a question....

GodricHollow April 26th, 2008 12:28 am

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I'm thinking that the Bridge film will be the rise of Sauron, the making of the Council and that kind of thing - fairly story-ish really, if done right.

permafrost April 26th, 2008 2:01 am

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I found this online : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7366375.stm . I think Del Toro will be AMAZING! I'm excited that Gandalf will be the same, too. It'd just feel too weird if he wasn't.

Aiwendil April 26th, 2008 4:02 am

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Originally Posted by Klio (Post 5004213)
Saruman would also be good, but whether Christopher Lee at his age, and after what happened to him in TTT/RotK will come back is a question....

Christopher Lee is interested in returning, and is in good health. I posted this earlier this year:

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Lee not only has impressive knowledge of golf and film, he also in something of an expert on the work of J.R.R. Tolkien.

“I remember first reading `The Lord of the Rings’ back in the 1950s,” Lee said. “I thought they would make great movies, but technically it couldn’t be done back then. I envisioned myself playing Gandolf (eventually played by Ian McKellen) but I did end up getting the part of Saruman.”

Noting that it was recently announced that Peter Jackson had agreed to film a couple of prequels about “The Hobbit,” Lee said he hoped that “Mr. Jackson” might found a place for him in those movies.

“I don’t know if that will happen but I would certainly be interested in doing it,” Lee said.

It would be surprising if Jackson couldn’t find a part for Christopher Lee, a man who has been a movie icon for more than 50 years and is still going strong.

And:
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Lee, who will turn 85 in May, shows no signs of slowing down. He appeared in “The Golden Compass” (2007) and has already completed work on “The Heavy” and “Boogie Woogie,” two films scheduled to be released this year.

“I still enjoy it and am in pretty good health,” Lee said. “I have a back problem but I’ve had that for years. As long as I’m able to get on the golf course, I’m happy.”

Read the full article here: Christopher Lee remains busy after 60 years of acting

Cate Blanchett is also on record as having expressed interest in returning. I don't have a link at this time, however.

Klio April 26th, 2008 8:35 am

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Aiwendil, thanks for these! I am really pleased to hear that Christopher lee would still be interested. :)

And really, who, apart from Cate Blanchett, could do Galadriel? It's great to hear that she has expressed an interest, too...

Of course, their work in NZ would be a few days, rather than weeks, one would assume, so they could fit it round Blanchett's busy schedule - and, now that she has had another child, her family life, too!

Pearl_Took April 26th, 2008 6:08 pm

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Well, I've seen the James McAvoy suggestion for Bilbo, and I like it. :tu:

And he was Mr Tumnus too. :lol: Cool!

I've not seen the Colin Firth suggestion before, though, Klio. That's GREAT. :lol:

Klio April 26th, 2008 7:26 pm

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Pearl, apparently the Colin Firth idea has been around for years (among fans anyway) - but it took me completely by surprise when I saw this:

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Originally Posted by Lady Eowyn Kenobi, at [url
www.council-of-elrond.com][/url]

and here's a side by side comparison. a young Ian Holm is the one to the left, stock photo of Colin Firth on the right.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5...d2eb323gx4.jpghttp://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9...87439eegu7.jpg

I would never have thought of this.

But I have to say, I can't see Colin Firth agreeing to this.

anduril April 26th, 2008 7:56 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ginger1 (Post 5004145)
We trust them to bring us the story.

my inner purist (Run to the hills! ;) ) cannot let this pass, without a :huh:

Well, yay for a single Hobbit film. :) The "LOTR prequel" film - eh. I guess the studios can never have too much (pale enchanted) gold.

http://www.folklore.org/projects/Mac...es/scrooge.jpg

On the bright side, more people will pick up the books, as always. Next: Túrin? :cool:

Re: Cast suggestions:

Brian Blessed as Beorn! (Too old for Thorin?)

http://www.donkey-village.org.uk/ima...ssed_kojak.gif

Pearl_Took April 26th, 2008 9:24 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by anduril (Post 5005338)
On the bright side, more people will pick up the books, as always. Next: Túrin? :cool:

Awesome, but depressing. :p

If the rights ever became free (haha), there are three big stories from The Silmarillion that could make good films: 1) Beren and Luthien; 2) Turin; and 3) personally I'd rather fancy a big Downfall of Numenor movie. :eyebrows:

Brian Blessed as Beorn? - perfect. :D

I vote Richard Armitage - :drool: - for Bard.

http://www.thearmitagearmy.co.uk/main/

Wimsey April 26th, 2008 9:38 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GodricHollow (Post 5004243)
I'm thinking that the Bridge film will be the rise of Sauron, the making of the Council and that kind of thing - fairly story-ish really, if done right.

I guess that I do not see what the story would be. Sure, there could be plenty of plot: but look at Attack of the Clones; all plot and no story makes for a pointless movie.


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Originally Posted by Pearl_Took (Post 5005232)
Well, I've seen the James McAvoy suggestion for Bilbo, and I like it. :tu:

I agree. However, I remember just how wildly wrong we were when we were guessing about who would play what for Rings! I think that Jackson & Co. will pursue the same strategy of going for relative unknowns. Still, McAvoy fits that: he's had small parts that he has played well, but he's not a big "name."

I hope that they add Mumakil to the Battle of the Five Armies so that we can see how Leggy learned to kill them. Did anybody else feel that the the Rings movies failed to adequately explain that? (Ducks and runs.....)

I agree with you about Firth: this is not the sort of thing that he'd do. Also, isn't he on the tall side? The forced perspective stuff will demand a fairly short actor. All of the hobbits in Rings were pretty short dudes.


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Originally Posted by anduril (Post 5005338)
my inner purist (Run to the hills! ;) ) cannot let this pass, without a :huh:

Well, yay for a single Hobbit film. :) The "LOTR prequel" film - eh. I guess the studios can never have too much (pale enchanted) gold.

Heh, there are are purists and there are purists. A lot of purists would want a two-part Hobbit for the same reason that they wanted a six-part Rings or a two-part Hallows!

However, there is not enough story in the Hobbit for two-parts.

What I cannot figure out is how they have rights to do a second film. I guess that if they stick only to material in Rings, then they are OK. If they try to use anything from Unfinished Tales or the Silm., then the Tolkien Estate can (and certainly will) sue their rear-ends off.
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Originally Posted by anduril (Post 5005338)
On the bright side, more people will pick up the books, as always. Next: Túrin? :cool:

Rings sold more copies from 2002-2004 than did any of the Harry Potter books. (They usually give the Potter sales in a lump for the whole series, but that is 5 titles to 1 at that point.) So, this is quite a real possibility. However, The Hobbit had outsold Rings by a wide margin prior to the films. It's the classic "sequel" pattern: people who bought and did not like the Hobbit never bought Rings.
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Originally Posted by anduril (Post 5005338)
Brian Blessed as Beorn! (Too old for Thorin?)

Ah, when to Arwenize, Faramirate or Bombadilerate? Bombs away here! I just cannot see keeping Beorn in the film. I would have the Eagles take the troop to the borders of Mirkwood: that sets up the Eagles for "THE EAGLES ARE COMING!" (a great moment, at least the first time.) It also sets up the Elfs for the Five Armies. The Orcs and Wargs already are set up. I just do not see what the Werebear adds to the story or plot.

That being said, I could see Blessed as a good Thorin. Thorin was dour, yes, but he was bombastic, and Blessed does bombastic for breakfast. Also, he is a big and broad man, so he would be proportioned properly next to a smaller slighter man playing Bilbo.

It's a shame that no money in the world could get Rhys Davies to play one of the dwarfs again! Of course, the Dwarfs will present a bit of a problem: there are just too many of them, and making them distinct to the audience will be tough. The book (sort of) develops a friendship between Balin & Bilbo beyond that of the others, but I cannot see that really helping the film. I think that it will be much more important to develop a tetchy relationship between Thorin & Bilbo, because that adds so much gravity to Thorin's death: the death-with-issues can be a lot more poignant than death-of-a-friend.

So, what should stay? What should be cut? I vote "out" for Béorn. I'd keep the Trolls. I do not think that I would bother with Rivendell: Gandalf should have known the things that Elrond tells them. Gandalf was not "Gandalf" when Tolkien wrote The Hobbit any more than Trotter was Aragorn; however, Rings!Gandalf has become such an iconic character that they cannot back away from that at this point.


I have no cast suggestions. Jackson & Co. did great last time. I would counsel against cameos from the old cast: that really bogged down the Star Wars prequels. Unlike Harry Potter, I think that the films clicked enough with audiences so that they would recognize (say) Elrond, etc.: but unless they have a real part to play, then it will come across the same way that C3P0 & R2D2 did in PM, AotC & RotS.

GodricHollow April 26th, 2008 9:45 pm

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Hmm...

I must be getting my times mixed up, I was thinking that the rise of Sauron was basically everything up to and including the Siege of the Tower. Kind of got that a bit wrong.

You may have a point.

Hermaryne April 26th, 2008 9:54 pm

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Just heard the news- am so ecstatic!!! As much as I'm a fan of Jackson's work on Rings, I think del Toro's a better pick for Hobbit. And after all the worry about lawsuits, thank god it's actually going to happen. I'll have to read up on the news before posting more, but Sir Ian is back I hope.

This more than makes up for my disappointment about the Deathly Hallows movie(s).

ginger1 April 26th, 2008 10:46 pm

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In the "second hobbit movie" do you think they would include some of Aragorn's back story? For example where he was disguised (as Thorongil - the Eagle of the star) - and was advisor to Ecthelion. There are only a few paragraphs in the appendix concerning Aragorn (apart from the Aragorn / Arwen story) but I feel sure it would make good cinema. Not least his relationship with Gandalf over those long years.

Heroic deeds by someone in disguise ... :) Yes? No?

Klio April 26th, 2008 11:51 pm

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Yes, Aragorn's story would make a good movie - but one that would mainly have to be completely invented. At least the little bits we know of the story are in the appendices of LotR, and therefore accessible.

I am still wondering whether (as part of an out-of-court settlement with the Tolkien estate) they somehow managed to clear some rights for a few bits of UT..... I can't see how on earth they'd otherwise manage to make this bridge movie and remain within the bounds of their legal rights...



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Originally Posted by Wimsey (Post 5005498)
I hope that they add Mumakil to the Battle of the Five Armies so that we can see how Leggy learned to kill them. Did anybody else feel that the the Rings movies failed to adequately explain that? (Ducks and runs.....)

:rotfl: hehe. I am in two minds about a Legolas cameo. But the mind that's against it mostly wins.



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Originally Posted by Wimsey (Post 5005498)
I agree with you about Firth: this is not the sort of thing that he'd do. Also, isn't he on the tall side? The forced perspective stuff will demand a fairly short actor. All of the hobbits in Rings were pretty short dudes.

True. No, it would be weird if he really did take that role (or even be asked). Although he has been in really awful films lately - 'The last Legion', anyone?
The size issue is obviously a prohibitive factor in any case.

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Originally Posted by Wimsey (Post 5005498)
Ah, when to Arwenize, Faramirate or Bombadilerate? Bombs away here! I just cannot see keeping Beorn in the film. I would have the Eagles take the troop to the borders of Mirkwood: that sets up the Eagles for "THE EAGLES ARE COMING!" (a great moment, at least the first time.) It also sets up the Elfs for the Five Armies. The Orcs and Wargs already are set up. I just do not see what the Werebear adds to the story or plot.

Nice new verbs there - I love it. I am with you. Beorn will probably go the way of old Tom.


But ARGH!!! SIN!!!! You wrote elfs!!!!!!! It's most definitely elves .... and now run before the purists get you! ;) ;) ;)


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Originally Posted by Wimsey (Post 5005498)
It's a shame that no money in the world could get Rhys Davies to play one of the dwarfs again! Of course, the Dwarfs will present a bit of a problem: there are just too many of them, and making them distinct to the audience will be tough.

dwarves, surely? ;)

Anyway - I really hope that they backtrack on the silly prosthetic make-up. I'd rather have dwarves look more human but be able to move their faces. And I am not sad to see the back of Rhys-Davies. I wasn't very fond of his interpretation of Gimli (or rather, what PJ and Rhys-Davies cooked up together)..... other actors resisted PJ's sense of slapstick and silly humour - Rhys-Davies went along with it all too willingly. ARGH.





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Originally Posted by Wimsey (Post 5005498)
So, what should stay? What should be cut? I vote "out" for Béorn. I'd keep the Trolls. I do not think that I would bother with Rivendell: Gandalf should have known the things that Elrond tells them. Gandalf was not "Gandalf" when Tolkien wrote The Hobbit any more than Trotter was Aragorn; however, Rings!Gandalf has become such an iconic character that they cannot back away from that at this point.

True. But still, Rivendell would be nice to have anyway. They can use it for some exposition, I suppose. if it isn't in the first film we'll definitely need it in the second, for various things like White Council business, and probably some Arwen & Aragorn backstory. So, having it in the first one, too, would help with making the connections (if it is done right).

The trolls have to be in! We have already seen them in the FotR SEE, and it would be neat to have the scene blend into that set. One of the few definite visual links between the story of the Hobbit and LotR (apart from generic landscapes, but that's different, of course).


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Originally Posted by Wimsey (Post 5005498)
I have no cast suggestions. Jackson & Co. did great last time. I would counsel against cameos from the old cast: that really bogged down the Star Wars prequels.

True, their casting was great! And it would be better to have lots of unknowns, at least in the main roles.... Concerning cameos: I don't think they should shoehorn anyone in, but some are obvious - Elrond, Galadriel and Saruman for the White council, which will definitely feature somehow.

As already mentioned, I am not sure about Legolas, but I guess his return will be inevitable if they can get Bloom again (likelihood is that they can, seeing that things have been quiet about him for some time). At least there is a reasonable excuse for him to be there....

GodricHollow April 26th, 2008 11:56 pm

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The only reasons behind Leggy's single handed takedown of the Mumak in RotK was due to him not really having a lot to do in RotK and also because the fans loved his slide-down-the-stairs-on-a-shield moment in TTT.

I quite like it, if only for Gimli's "That still only counts as one!" line.

Kevin April 27th, 2008 1:36 am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wimsey (Post 5005498)
I guess that I do not see what the story would be. Sure, there could be plenty of plot: but look at Attack of the Clones; all plot and no story makes for a pointless movie.

Attack of the Clones was a classic example of Lucas having a great idea for a story but being unable to execute his vision properly. Which has happened before in some of his movies.

As for the second Hobbit film, i guess they can raid Tolkien's notes about middle earth to piece together a story that bridges the gap between The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings. They could have Aragorn's backstory revealed with the backdrop of Gandalf and co preparing for the war to come which would then, lead into the Lord of the Rings.

Wimsey April 27th, 2008 5:53 am

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Originally Posted by Klio (Post 5005682)
Yes, Aragorn's story would make a good movie - but one that would mainly have to be completely invented. At least the little bits we know of the story are in the appendices of LotR, and therefore accessible.

The problem is that someone was trying to do this movie a few years ago. Much of it was made, and some short trailers were released. However, in the end, they were unable to secure the rights. They tried changing all of the names or something, but the project sort of disappeared. (I am blanking on what it was called in the end.)
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Originally Posted by Klio (Post 5005682)
I am still wondering whether (as part of an out-of-court settlement with the Tolkien estate) they somehow managed to clear some rights for a few bits of UT..... I can't see how on earth they'd otherwise manage to make this bridge movie and remain within the bounds of their legal rights...

Christopher Tolkien has expressed great reluctance to sell any of the rights to works published after his father died. He's quite the purist at heart, and he even has expressed concerns about whether he should have published HoMe!

So, they must have found a way to make do with Rings material alone.
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Originally Posted by Klio (Post 5005682)
Nice new verbs there - I love it. I am with you. Beorn will probably go the way of old Tom.

Ah, I "coined" them for that silly essay I wrote. (The link's below in the part of my signature about Hallows: you might get a kick out of it.) However, I cannot be the first inventor of these things!
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Originally Posted by Klio (Post 5005682)
But ARGH!!! SIN!!!! You wrote elfs!!!!!!! It's most definitely elves .... and now run before the purists get you! ;) ;) ;)

heh, but who's purity? There is that great letter in which Tolkien tells the editor that he disagrees! However, I remember having students tell me that they disagreed with how I graded: oddly, that did not help them much!
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Originally Posted by Klio (Post 5005682)
Anyway - I really hope that they backtrack on the silly prosthetic make-up. I'd rather have dwarves look more human but be able to move their faces.

Well, they should not look too human: part of the reason why they looked ugly to Elves and Men was that Aüle did not have a clear idea in his head what the Children of Illuvator actually looked like: so, his model was a bit "deformed."

As for Gimli, the movies would have been a bit less popular if he had been played more "straight." Gimli gets most of the funny lines in the book, and they played that up: and those films badly needed the humor. Gimli and Legolas made the film part "buddy flick" and part of what made the Rings so enormously popular. Now, I know that many Tolkien fans would have been just as happy if the movies had not appealed to that crowd: but what makes the great tales great is that they appeal to multiple audiences. At any rate, Gimli was basically someone that the audiences would either laugh with or laugh at: and Jackson & Co. wisely chose to roll with the punch and go with the "with." (Man, I hate ending sentences in prepositions, even if Tolkien said it was OK.....)
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Originally Posted by Klio (Post 5005682)
True. But still, Rivendell would be nice to have anyway. They can use it for some exposition, I suppose. if it isn't in the first film we'll definitely need it in the second, for various things like White Council business, and probably some Arwen & Aragorn backstory. So, having it in the first one, too, would help with making the connections (if it is done right).

Ah, but why do we need White Council business or Arwen & Aragorn backstory in The Hobbit? The book does just fine without either! Just as in Harry Potter movies, my thought is that if it does not advance the story being told, then it should not be in this film: the audiences simply have no way to think: "Oh, that seemingly irrelevant scene will be relevant in the next movie!" Instead, they will think: "Gack, what bad film making: who did this, Christopher Columbus?!?!?"
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Originally Posted by Klio (Post 5005682)
The trolls have to be in! We have already seen them in the FotR SEE, and it would be neat to have the scene blend into that set. One of the few definite visual links between the story of the Hobbit and LotR (apart from generic landscapes, but that's different, of course).

Oh, I agree. Joe and Jane Public obviously will not remember it from the Rings films: but the Troll scene is too important for the dynamic development of Bilbo. It will have tension, drama, perhaps even a touch of humor.

One thing that I would keep in mind, however, is that Tolkien himself did say (in multiple ways, including through Gandalf) that he would have written the Hobbit very differently. Some of the more childish humor could be eliminated: and if purists needed justification, well, we should keep in mind that this was the way that Uncle Bilbo told it to the lads and lasses!

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 5005755)
Attack of the Clones was a classic example of Lucas having a great idea for a story but being unable to execute his vision properly. Which has happened before in some of his movies.

Do you know what was the story supposed to be? I just could not see one at all. There was plot, plot and more plot: and although the plots were not bad in terms of the intricacies and how they came together, there simply was no larger "point." (The best review of Clones that I read stated at the outset that if you didn't remember the difference between story and plot from your high school literature classes, then see Clones: it's all plot with no story!)
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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 5005755)
As for the second Hobbit film, i guess they can raid Tolkien's notes about middle earth to piece together a story that bridges the gap between The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings. They could have Aragorn's backstory revealed with the backdrop of Gandalf and co preparing for the war to come which would then, lead into the Lord of the Rings.

The Tolkien estate holds all the rights to those, and Christopher is reluctant to sell them. So, if they use any of those, then you can almost guarantee that there will be a lawsuit!

An example of this is "Maia": that word is not in Rings or Hobbit, but Jackson & Co. initially did include it in the dialog between Saruman & Gandalf; they had to cut that, of course, as that name comes from Tolkien's other works. They could use "Valar" as those are mentioned in Rings, even if they are not exactly defined! They were called "Guardians" so having Arwen bestow their blessings was not going to go too far.

ComicBookWorm April 27th, 2008 7:09 am

Re: The Hobbit movie news
 
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Originally Posted by Wimsey (Post 5005498)
I agree with you about Firth: this is not the sort of thing that he'd do. Also, isn't he on the tall side? The forced perspective stuff will demand a fairly short actor. All of the hobbits in Rings were pretty short dudes.

I thought he was too tall as well. And he's not right for the role.


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