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Jennie September 10th, 2002 1:58 am

Was Sirius a Slytherin?
 
If the statement that "every witch or wizard that ever went bad came from Slytherin" is true, does that mean that Sirius was a Slytherin? :sad:

Dumbledore, Professor Lupin, Harry, Hermione, and Ron may know that Sirius didn't "go bad", but nobody else does. (At least as best as I can remember...) So to make the above statement true, Sirius would have to have been a Slytherin. Correct? Or is there a flaw in my logic that I'm overlooking (Probably so! :) )

The problem though, is that I can't recall if that was in the book(s) or was just in the movie. Anyways, just something that I thought of earlier.

Jennie

HPFan4Life248 September 10th, 2002 2:14 am

I was just thinking about this the other day,only I was thinking about Peter Petigrew. I mean, we know he went bad, but why were James, Sirius, and Lupin freinds with him if he was in Slytherin and they were in Gryffindor? If he was in Gryffindor instead of Slytherin then he would be the exeption to the rule.

Did that make any sense at all?

Jennie September 10th, 2002 2:18 am

Yes, it made perfect sense. Another good question....hmmm.....so, was Peter the exception to the rule or were James, Sirius, and Lupin all in Slytherin? Egads, perish the thought!!

Kneazle September 10th, 2002 2:25 am

I personally think that Hagrid (who says that in the first book) was just generalizing, since the Slytherin characteristics can prompt people to turn to the dark side. Thus, Slytherin has produced more Dark Wizards than the other houses. Over a thousand years, there have to have been dark wizards from other houses. At the time that Hagrid said that, however, he believed that Sirius had betrayed Lily & James; Sirius' supposed actions were very closely related to Harry, so Hagrid may have had Sirius in mind when he was talking. :shrug: I think Sirius was a Gryffindor. I don't think the betrayal would have been such a shock if he was a Slytherin. Then again, they were always inseperable. . .

raeredeyes September 10th, 2002 3:47 am


Im with Kneazle...Hagrid was only generalising - there must be some people from slytherin that dont lead a life of evil.

And on another note - Sirius never went bad, he was just misunderstood! He did not reveal the Potter's as he wasnt their secret keeper, and he did not blow up the street and kill the muggles. So if he was in Slytherin, it had nothing to do with those incidents.
He is yet to have his name cleared, but his innocense is pretty clear to be seen. He did go a bit dodgy in PoA, but that can be explained by his attempt to protect Harry.
I think it does not make much difference that no body else knows that he is innocent - they will have to be told the truth sooner or later, and then they will see that he didnt go bad.

Also, even though Hagrid did say that about the Slytherins, it doesnt mean that there is the possibility that people from other houses can go bad.
And it seems unlikely that such a strong friendship can exist between houses. It seems like the marauders were very close, and i think tht this is enough evidence to presume that they were in the same house.
Besides, they used to pick on Snape, didnt they? This would also back up the claim that the four would have been in Gryffindor. If Black was in Slytherin, wouldnt he have stood up for Snape. House groups tend to stick together and look after their members.


Cat September 10th, 2002 4:19 am

Firstly, it was Hagrid who said that. Hagrid also says at one point that foreigners should never be trusted. I wouldn't take his words to heart.

Secondly, Slytherin isn't the house of evil. It's where all the power-hungry are shoved out of the way. Power corrupts so these people tend to go rotten. But people can do evil deeds whatever their personalities.

I believe James, Peter, Remus and Sirius were all Gryffindor classmates.

HogwartsChaplain September 10th, 2002 4:32 am

Doesn't the movie specifically point out that James was on the Gryffindor Quidditch team? In the scene with the quidditch trophy with James' name on it-- wasn't that for Gryffindor?

In the book, didn't McGonagall say that James had been a great asset to "the house team"? She wouldn't have mentioned it that way if James had been on another house team.

Those aren't rhetorical questions-- I didn't take the time to look up the evidence.

Great thread! I look forward to reading more. :)

Manyasha September 10th, 2002 2:06 pm

Re: Was Sirius a Slytherin?
 
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Originally posted by Jennie
If the statement that "every witch or wizard that ever went bad came from Slytherin" is true, does that mean that Sirius was a Slytherin?
Hm...I believe this statement is not true. As it has been said, Hagrid exagerrated a bit. I think that James, Sirius, Remus and Peter were all in Gryffindor.:)

Jennie September 10th, 2002 10:22 pm

Re: Re: Was Sirius a Slytherin?
 
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Originally posted by Manyasha
I think that James, Sirius, Remus and Peter were all in Gryffindor.:)
I sure hope so! :)

Sinistra September 11th, 2002 1:01 am

Um, guys, Snape DID go bad. He was a genuine, tattooed, dyed-in-the-wool death eater. Later he changed and decided to work for the side of good. At great personal risk. But he changed sides before Voldy's downfall.

Anyhow that statement about Slytherins going bad is probably a generalization. And it means that most of the infamous dark wizards were probably Slytherins, but not all Slytherins become notorious bad wizards. Many probably grow up and have productive lives. Wonder what house Crouch Sr. and Jr. were in, and Fudge, too. All are ambitious but in different ways. And ambitious doesn't mean smart. Look at Fudge.

I concurr that James, Sirius, Lupin and Peter were proabbly all Gryffindors. And I think that people from other houses can "go bad" they just probably do it differently (or less spectacularly) than the Slytherins. Or it isn't played up as much.

Sam September 11th, 2002 1:12 am

I think that Padfoot, Moony and Prongs were all in Gryffindor. How else could they have been such great friends? And, if they were living in different houses, how could have Sirius and James notice that Remus was leaving once a month?

owl post 1992 September 11th, 2002 1:50 am

Quote:

Doesn't the movie specifically point out that James was on the Gryffindor Quidditch team? In the scene with the quidditch trophy with James' name on it-- wasn't that for Gryffindor?
yep Jame was on the trophy it said chaser but he was a seeker and if only students from one house went bad then wouldn't Voldemort have a hard time wining a war against Dumbledore good side which has more people in it :??:

Fleur September 11th, 2002 2:09 am

I think that Slytherin just has the greatest capacity for evil and dark magic.

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Originally posted by owl post 1992
if only students from one house went bad then wouldn't Voldemort have a hard time wining a war against Dumbledore good side which has more people in it :??:
I think that Voldie convinced more than just Slytherins. The most power hungry were the Slytherins, but that does not mean that someone that was in the other houses would keep the same characteristcis once they left the school. They could have changed dramactically once they left Hogwarts into a completley different person.

HogwartsChaplain September 11th, 2002 3:41 am

Quote:

Originally posted by Sinistra
Wonder what house Crouch Sr. and Jr. were in, and Fudge, too. All are ambitious but in different ways. And ambitious doesn't mean smart. Look at Fudge.
Another who is ambitious is Percy Weasley, and he was in Gryffindor. Percy is smart, and has a good heart, but I'm not sure about his ability to make good decisions.

Fleur Delacour September 11th, 2002 5:40 am

I think that Hagrid was just exaggerating, I think that he said that because he still beleives that Sirius was the bad guy, who betrayed Lily and James.

Anyways, I think that they all were in Gryffindor. My reasons for beleiveing this are because we know, that James was a Gryffindor. If Sirius was a Slytherin, I honestly don't beleive that James and him would assosiate that often and become that good of friends. Meaning that they wouldn't have probably been around Lupin enough to descover that he was a werewolf. Plus, it never says that EVERYONE who went bad was in Slytherin, therefore stating that Pettigrew might have also been in Gryffindor. Sirius was probably in gryffindor because when her went after Scabbers he ended up running in to Ron instead. How could he have known where the dormitory was if he wasn't a Griffindor? And plus didn't JK say in an interveiw that they were all four in Gryffindor?

Thats just me rambling... doubt anyone could make sense of that.

HogwartsChaplain September 11th, 2002 5:59 am

Good point about knowing where the Gryffindor rooms are.
Playing devil's advocate for a moment, :devil: Sirius could have learned a lot about any areas of Hogwarts from the Marauder's Map. I expect he could have a lot still memorized in his mind from his days as a student, even if that were a long time ago, and even if they did lose the map to Filch.

But I really believe that Sirius was a Gryffindor. :D

Tarawyn September 14th, 2002 2:25 pm

Hagrid really isn't a good source for information. He's more than a little bias and has a habit of improperly stating facts. Slytherin probably has the largest output of eventual Dark wizards and witches, but all of them are likely to have contributed numbers.

At any rate, James was in Gryffindor; I believe it was stated by Rowling. I find it hard to believe that James and Sirius could be best friends and a "double-act" if they were in different Houses, particularly ones with a habit of mutual dislike...and I also believe Rowling stated they were in the same House in an interview as well. Like Fleur just stated.

matahari toad September 20th, 2002 9:34 pm

Yeah, I guess it would be pretty boring and stereotyped if all the Dark wizards came from Slytherin and all others were just nice and uncorruptable. And remember the Sorting Hat? " Slytherin could help you on the way to greatness" So there's nothing inherently wrong with Slytherin, it's just a that some people go for the wrong sort of greatness. But a Ravenclaw who goes for the wrong sort of Wisdom (kind of Saruman-like) might be dark, too. Or a Hufflepuff who just doesn't realise the deceit in the death-eater's ideology because he's a little too naive...

Tarawyn September 20th, 2002 9:40 pm

True...I think that Slytherins might have a reputation for becoming Dark wizards because they have more likelyhood to turn without a dark lord and without much else besides personal motivation, to become a lord themselves, and to practice dark magic against the law than the graduates of other houses--particularly the former. And if Slytherins are more likely to turn Dark in peacetime, then the statement must be increased to the maximum in wartime. Most things are.

Thayet September 21st, 2002 11:19 am

I think its just that slytherins have a reputation for being bad.

Sirius most definitely was Gryffindor, as was Peter, I cant explain how I know but I'm sure they were, we know James was, and they said they all went everywhere together, implying that sirius and peter were gryffindors.

I think Peter Petigrew went bad for the power, and with the influence of Lord Voldemort I suspect it may not just have been slytherins that went bad - over to Voldemorts side.


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