Re: Will Harry die in Deathly Hallows? v5
Sorry, Lillbet, I lapsed into game-show persona there. :p
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I think he will die in his fight with Voldemort, but that he has an accidental horcrux out there and that he will come back to life shortly after his death.
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While we're at it, let's think about a plot device. A plot device is defined thus: Quote:
One of the reasons I'm able to entertain the idea that Harry will die and take Voldemort with him is that Sybil Trelawney was vague enough in her prophesizing that readers thought she meant Neville for a bit. Look at another one of her predictions: Quote:
Sticking to the conventions of storytelling that everyone seems to be so fond of, it's obvious that Voldemort will die, so that's a given. He's afraid of death, he's got to be punished, and Azkaban, being the only real punishment in the wizarding world isn't enough. We want Voldemort's blood, right? Well, I think we're going to get it. However, rather than the prophecy coming true as most of us assume- Harry kills Voldemort and we all live happily ever after- I think there's going to be another plot twist and Harry will lose his life as well. Given Trelawney's track record and the vagueness of her prophecies I wouldn't be at all surprised if this were the outcome. These books have included so many twists and turns, that expectiing Harry to survive just out of hand, because "OMG, he just HAS to!" seems ridiculous. |
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I would be very disappointd if harry died in book 7. He is the hero of the series, it wouldn't be right for him to fail. I think lots of other people will die, obviously he needs to finish it off solo, but i would not be happy if he died.
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Can JKR possibly let Harry die and let Voldemort live? It is a frightening thought. Even if he was left say, without his Horcruxes or even without his powers, I can't imagine how I'd feel walking away from the series. I'm off to change my post in "are you a seer..." |
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Live. I almost wish he'd die, but judging from things Jo has said in interviews, I think he'll live.
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I don't expect Harry to live happily ever after, although I do expect him to survive. There are more than just two choices - Harry lives happily ever after, or he dies - and I fully expect JKR to make a different choice. Harry has already been emotionally damaged by his upbringing with the Dursleys and he will not be able to destroy Voldermort without suffering more damage. Will he be able to build a life after Voldermort is gone? I think so, but it will take some work on his part and the part of the people who care about Harry. |
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The Scholastic website quiz is interesting. The voters apparently don't think anyone will die! Even Voldemort! I think the maximum percentage for anyone is Voldie at 23%. So 77% think he'll live! Bizarre! Could Harry come up with a peaceful solution? Shrinking potion so Voldie gets to start over with loving parents? Breaking his wand?
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Will Harry live or die.....you know I think that it s apart of every heroe's journey if they are willing to make that ultimate sacrifice. Harry has already lost his parents, his godfather, and finally his mentor. Its like they are trying to strip Harry down to see what he's really made of. Even through all that he's been through he's survived. He hasn't curled up some where and just waiting to die. Harry knows the risks and he is willing to go on a suicide mission to save his world. People have died for him and Harry is going to do whatever it takes to defeat Voldemort. So if he dies I would not be surprised.
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I think that JKR has written it so that Voldemort will die, but for Harry it could go either way. Based on Harry's knack for wanting to save people (as Hermione remarks he has a "saving people thing"), and the fact that he cares about his friends and would do anything for them (and they for him), he might be put in a situation where he would lose/give up his life to save others. I think the books foreshadow this perfectly- Lily sacrificed herself out of love for her son, and it's not bad writing or an "unannounced plot twist" if Harry were to finally take that lesson to heart and put himself between Voldemort and the rest of the wizarding world. Harry broke up with Ginny to "save" her- regardless of whether you think that's noble or selfish (different thread, we're not getting into that here)- it shows that he is willing to give something up if he even for a moment thinks it will help save someone else. And think of the countless times he pulled on his Invisibility Cloak to do something no one asked him to do because he thought it was required of him- to help, protect, save. He's made mistakes, he could die- especially now that he's older and not under the "protection" of the Dursleys, something that has been alluded to often. Now that his blood is running through Voldemort's veins it seems like Harry's more vulnerable than ever. The stakes have gotten higher as the books progressed and JKR has mentioned that the next death would be big because this is evil and evil doesn't take secondary characters (I'll try and find that quote if I can). Basically, JKR has written Harry to be someone who is flawed, but good and capable of selfless acts, but also able to be hurt- emotionally and physically- so a "plot twist" like that would be totally in line with the rest of the books. (By the way, plot twists are not always "unannounced." Quote:
The prophecy is important, true, but again- you have to look at Trelawney's record. Her prophecies are vague and cryptic and don't make sense until well after the fact- JKR wrote her that way on purpose. According to the Bloomsbury website "Swot Up on Potter" (and most scholarly writings on culture in general) the sybils of Ancient Greece and Rome were known for making cryptic predictions about the future, which often could not be understood until they had already come to pass. This might also happen with "the" prophecy- we can intrepret it now, but it won't really make sense until the final battle and that's totally in line with all of the foreshadowing that's gone before. Makes sense to me: Remember when Trelawney predicted that 'one of our number will not be with us in the spring'? (that was paraphrasing- I can't find the exact quote, but I'll keep looking). "Oho! Sounds like death to me!" the reader might say. But no, Hermione ditches Divination and is no longer "with" the rest of the class. As JKR has said, "both Trelawney and I have worded the prophecy very carefully." which means we might not be reading it for all it's worth, but taking it at face value for now because we don't have enough to go on. Really. Reread the prophecy- there are no names, which is why folks assumed the prophecy was about Neville since his folks also thrice defied Voldemort. That prophecy is cryptic and it is built for a twist ending. Trelawney predicts a death of someone born in midwinter and we later find out that Voldemort was born on New Year's Eve. Despite that, she continues to predict Harry's death- she is unswayed and goofy as she is the fact that she is unwavering in her belief that Harry is in danger sends out warning signals to me as a reader. Since her prophecy will likely not be understood until later, for now it is just a bug in our ear that something life-changing is going to happen- we know there will be a final battle between the two but more than that we can't tell. Maybe Harry will lose his powers and "die" as a wizard when Voldemort "dies" (taking Harry's powers?). Maybe he will lose Ginny and his love will "die" or his heart will break and he will be "dead" inside. As for my assumptions being based on the premise that JKR is a poor writer, I would have to disagree with you heartily! The fact that I am not certain Harry will live proves that she's doing an excellent job- she has me guessing, reading more deeply, etc. If I was certain without a doubt that Harry would live I wouldn't bother to keep reading, frankly, because there'd be no reason to. Part of the reason these books appeal is that the characters are human and you can't predict what will happen- Sirius was dashing, feckless, rash, and loving, but he died. Quite suddenly, in fact. While I didn't expect things to be easy for Harry, necessarily, killing Sirius was the kind of rug-yanking I didn't think JKR was capable of. Edit: I keep coming up with new points, but I'll stop now and let someone else have a go. Promise. No, really. ;) In July I may very well find out I'm wrong, and that's fine. If I am wrong, I'm banking on her not disappointing me with an easy ending that wastes all the the clues she's left. |
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Voldemort dies and Harry lives. I think if the series is indeed finished this is the conclusion we need to end things and not keep it open for books. With Voldemort alive we want more. We want to find out. Its not over. Harry needs to triumph and finish his task.
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I think Harry will die because then Jo will not be pressured into writing more books.
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NO, plain and simple SHE WILL NOT KILL HIM OFF she wants the book to do well and it stil would by REAL fans but the phonies followers who are in it for thew hype will not want to read it then ...its true
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No i will not have it,I mean she wouldnt .....she couldnt do it *sniff*:upset:
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she won't unless his scar is a horcrux or somthing otherwise NO
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firenze and Banes discussion about Harry
I wa just rereading the first book, and something caugh my eye. When Firenze helped Harry, Bane was upset, asking if he was trying to change fate. Then later, Firenze was saying that he hoped what the sky said about Harry's future wasn't true. So you think this eans Harry will die in the last book?
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