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Auror Fett August 12th, 2003 2:15 pm

How/why will Harry leave Privet Drive this time?
 
People have talked about this but I'm sure no one's posted about it yet. But do any of you guys think that something "chaotic" will occur or some type of event will drive Harry out of Privet Drive. What I mean is, how you think Harry will get back to the wizarding wrld? In book2, the Weasley boys drove him out; book3, he ran away from Privet and escaped on a Knight bus; book4, Weasleys came and got him; book5, he was taken to Gp12 by Order members. Do you think he will be picked up again or something terrible will happen that will make Harry leave. Some people have said there might be an attack on the Granger family that will make Harry want to go help them. I seriously doubt this, but if something like this DID happen, I figure it would be a trap by Voldemort to lure Harry to him. :scared:

Hammi August 12th, 2003 2:23 pm

I don't think we'll ever see another summer that Harry spends entirely at the Dursleys. I think in book 6 he will probaly end up with ROn or the order. I doubt there will be an attack on HErmione's family, though we can't really be sure can we

Auror Williamson August 12th, 2003 2:43 pm

Since Harry might be tought how to apparate early on in the coming book, Harry may be able to apparate from the Dursley's house to Grimmauld place, or to the Burrow, etc. I don't think that we will be seeing another monstrous outburst or event at Privet Drive.

Shnerpals August 12th, 2003 2:54 pm

i think that in book 6 Harry may not even leave privet drive at all...i dont thikn harry would do something rash like leave the place were he is most protected knowing that Voldemort is out to kill him and i dont think dumbledore would take him out of that protection unless he found another way to keep him safe...I think that Harry will stay at Privet drive while dumbledore keeps him informed on whats going on to protect people from Voldemort but nothing that exciting will happen until harry goes to hogwarts

Sirius83 August 12th, 2003 3:01 pm

Well, i'm one of those who think there's an attack on the Grangers coming. I have a feeling he'll be taken away by Order members again. One theory i heard and liked is he had another dream, but this time the Grangers were being attacked, but he doesn't know if it's just another trap. However, members of the Order then turn up, tell him what happened and take him to either the Burrow or 12G.

The attack on the Grangers, unlikely as it sounds makes sense. We were told to watch the second movie for hints about future events and there was a scene where Lucius Malfoy gives the Grangers the eye. "...and your parents...muggles, aren't they?" - remember that line? Which was then followed up in GOF by Voldemort asking Lucius if he's up for a spot of muggle torture. With Hermione being so close to Harry, that is the perfect starting point.

On another note, this may be better suited to another thread regarding Harry's summer at the Dursleys, i'm not sure where it is though.

Hazelnutt1230 August 12th, 2003 3:05 pm

Heres a thread all about the predictoins for Harry's summer if you want ot take a look at it. Here ya go:

http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=14051

Sirius83 August 12th, 2003 3:07 pm

There we go. Thanks Hazel. :)

Mirror of Erised August 12th, 2003 3:08 pm

It is quite possible Lord Voldemort could very well come to 4 Privet Drive (or perhaps another death eater). Getting Harry to leave a bit early in the summer, But I also think there will be a change in Harry. He will want to stay at Privet drive as I finally believe that 2 of the Dursleys will be more accepting of Harry... Aunt Petunia definately has some skeletons in her closet, I think Harry will find out about them, and also find out exactly what is going on with her. I think of all people she may know very well that Mrs. Figg is a squib, and it is quite possible that she did at some point, have some sort of good relationship with some Wizards/Witches. Secondly, Dudley. I read the last book and it was apparent to me that Harry and Dudley were getting comfortable around eachother. Big D almost got the kiss by the Dementor, and Harry saved him. Mrs. Figg, and Mrs. Dursley both verified that. Anyways, I believe that Mr. Dursley will still have some resentment, but he'll tow the line because the rest of the family has swung a different way.

Furthermore, I don't think Harry will make ANY contact with anyone for most of the summer (until Mid-August). The mood he had by the end of the last book was that of a person who wanted to hide under a rock. The death of Sirius will make him act this way, I also think he will be reamed by Hermione if this is the case. Ron will be the middle piece again, where he is neither here nor there.
It should be an interesting summer, as he finally gets his OWL test scores. I'm betting he will do pretty well. He will get what he needs. Hermione will score the highest the school has seen in a long time, and Ron will do a tad worse than the other 2, but will still fare pretty well. The surprise will be that Neville does very well as well.

GryffindorSeeker August 12th, 2003 4:35 pm

I kind of hope that Harry will spend the entire summer with the Dursley's, it would be kind of funny for Harry to have to go to London, and the Dursley's would have to take him. I don't think there will be an attack of Hermione's family. I certainly hope not.

Auror Fett August 12th, 2003 5:18 pm

Well, I hope there isn't an attack or anything because that would be so sad seeing Hermone's parents die or something. I'm betting Harry will find out he did pretty good in his O.W.L.S. Particulary in Defense Agaisnt The Dark Arts. Anyway, so far he's never had a normal summer at the Dursleys since he began attending Hogwarts and inlight of Voldemort's return, I still have an uneasy feeling.

Cat August 12th, 2003 5:20 pm

If the Dursley house is the safest place for Harry, then it's probably where he's not going to be.

I really hope that the Dursleys are horrible to him. I want them to conjure all their skills of cruelty to small boys and use them on him. I'm counting on it.

Because I want to see the reaction of the Order if they did... :elaugh:

RedCape August 12th, 2003 5:27 pm

I don't think Harry will learn to apparate over the summer. You have to be 17 to take the test and he won't even be 16 until a month before they return to Hogwarts. I think apparating will be a class like the flying lesson they had in first year, only more than one!

I think Harry may have his least trying summer ever. I think though this time, the Dursleys won't mind him watching the news and will keep asking him if he spots anything that might be bad in the news.

I think Voldemort, now that everyone knows he's back, will definitely be trying some things. Not sure that he would bother with the Grangers. If he wanted to get at someone close to Harry, he'd go for the Weasleys.

In GoF, the muggle-torture Voldemort speaks of is what happened at the Quidditch World Cup. He isn't offering him an assignment.

GoF, ch. 33, The Death Eaters
"Lucius, my slippery friend," he whispered, halting before him. "I am told that you have not renounced the old ways, though to the world you present a respectable face. You are still ready to take the lead in a spot of Muggle-torture, I believe? Yet you never tried to find me, Lucius... your exploits at the Quidditch World Cup were fun, I daresay ... but might not your energy have been better directed towards finding and aiding your master?"

NcAnnie1881 August 12th, 2003 7:55 pm

They can't have a apperating class at Hogwarts, remember you can't apperate or disapperate inside the grounds. When are you going to read "Hogwarts a History"!?! I think that he won't even really talk to the Dursleys b/c hes upset by Sirius' death. Hermione will probally send him a owl when the O.W.L. results come to see what he gets. So he won't be that seperated from the wiz world

Fairydust August 12th, 2003 8:26 pm

i've just realised something. ever snce Harry's first year, he's never stayed a full summer at the Dursleys. I can't believe I missed that.

OneSiriusNiffler August 28th, 2003 7:15 pm

What do you all think about Harry returning to Grimmauld's Place (or is it Grimmauld)? Even though Sirius is dead, I have a feeling that Grimmauld's Place will inspire him to avenge his death. Also... what do you think about the pictures on the walls? Somehow, Sirius's mother's picture MUST play a part in this. JKR never leaves things unexplained (plus, S's mom is immensely annoying. )

juliweasley August 28th, 2003 8:07 pm

1) if Harry spends the whole summer at the Dursley's- which could be very interesting- he will hve a lot of help and support from his friends.
2) One must obviously have to be trained in apparation before getting their license at 17, perhaps a learners permit at 16??
3) The only thing that would "drive" Harry out of Privet Dr. is a need to learn and train for his destiny. He must shut V out, he must control his emotions, he must learn to use all his powers.

Grace Granger August 28th, 2003 8:50 pm

He'll leave Privet Drive, but I don't think he'll be so mad he'd want to leave or forced to leave. At least, I'd like to think the Dursley's will act civilized after being confronted by the Order and what happened to Dudley the previous summer.

I hope if he leaves it's to go to the Order. I'm dying to know if they'll be staying at Grimmauld Place with Kreacher still there.

OR

I can't help, but think that maybe there could be an attack on the Grangers.

Liselle August 30th, 2003 9:43 pm

I think that Harry only needs to spend part of every summer in privet drive and not the whole one.....I never thought of the possiblity of an attack on the Grangers...quite an intersting possiblity

Liselle

jasper August 31st, 2003 5:44 am

Hmmm. The twins send him a sample of their new Double Activated Dung Bombs and it accidentally explodes! That would drive everybody out of Privit Drive.

hesdead-dealwithit August 31st, 2003 5:56 am

Well, Harry can't just sit at Privet Drive all the time and then have the Dursleys take him to King's Cross - it's not safe. I bet he'll be at 12GP before the summer is done. I like the Hermione's-parents-attacked theory. We really have to see her parents more. Or maybe something about Krum? There's a reason JKR kept us thinking about him by making Hermione write that letter. He'll show up again.

Stncold August 31st, 2003 6:12 am

yea, being the h/hr i am i also think it will be an attack on the Grangers, maybe Figgy but shes too close for Harry to be lured far away enough from n4 priv drive, dont even know if Voldykins knows about her also

schwarzendrache August 31st, 2003 1:28 pm

I think the Hermione's family attacked theory is reasonable. In any case, I bet it'll have something to do with Voldy if Harry gets driven out.

EDIT: Yay! 2nd year!

jasper August 31st, 2003 4:36 pm

congrats on passing to second year!

What if the Grangers show up for dinner at the Dursleys? Dentists need drills. What a hoot that could be with Mr. Dursley entertaining them as potential business clients and getting the shock of having Hogwarts casually brought up by guests over the dinner table.

wbp9999 August 31st, 2003 6:20 pm

It'a an interesting idea, but doesn't he make industrial drills? (Or maybe I'm making things up, who knows. I sure don't.) But isn't Harry only safe from Voldemort, not Death Eaters, at Privet Drive? If so, Dumbledore will want to get him to the safety of more wizards as soon as he can, now that the Death Eaters are following Voldie again.

Hpmons August 31st, 2003 6:45 pm

My belief: Something WILL happen in the wizarding world, and in August Harry will go back to Grimmauld Place.
I dont think the dramatic thing will have anything to do with the Grangers though...The fact that the Granger family are muggles must become important at some point though...

I doubt that the protection is only from Voldemort - otherwsise how come no DE has tried to attack him there before?
That is such a good idea jasper! The Grangers meeting the Dursleys...I dont think it will happen though.

I think some things will be done with Figgy. Perhaps we will find out the connect between Squibs and cats over the summer? Im sure Harry might want to come to her house for tea next summer...Whatever happens, Figg will be more important.

corgi August 31st, 2003 6:51 pm

jasper - you made me laugh so hard!! I love that idea! What if the order set it up so that Hermione could go over there under non-magical circumstances to see how they are treating Harry when they think that no one is watching! ohmigosh! That could be so great! Just think of the possibilities!

wbp9999 August 31st, 2003 6:53 pm

Well, they might have been scared to try anything for fearing Dumbledore's wrath. But now that Voldie can protect them, they might try to do something. You have to remember that they all thought that Voldemort was defeated for good, because that was the part of the prophecy they heard: that Harry would defeat Voldie.

IThinkNot August 31st, 2003 6:57 pm

Here's a cool idea:

Uncle Vernon, who is absolutely incensed that crazy evil people could come to Privet Drive ("Get out! We will not have you in this house if some loony is after you!") treats Harry the worst he has ever treated him. Ever. Takes away his bedroom, destroys his stuff, doesn't allow him to eat with the family, that kind of thing. Finally, Harry fights back (without using magic--- I don't think he could get away with that a third time) and in retaliation for his rudeness, Uncle Vernon throws Harry out! For good! And he is able to counter Petunia's lame excuses for keeping him one after another, and so Harry has no other option! He would no longer have a place to stay at Privet Drive--- Privet Drive would no longer be his home--- and so he would be completely on his own. The charm would be destroyed. And I want to see what the Order would do... Lupin charging in and saving the day seems apt... :)

Elric August 31st, 2003 7:07 pm

I was wondering, does the power that protects Harry at Privet Drive also protect the Dursleys? If not then the obvious thing for the Death Eaters to do is to attack the Dursleys themselves.

If they are killed, or possibly if just Petunia is killed, then Harry's protection at Privet Drive is gone and he has nowhere 'safe' to spend the summer, and this would force Harry out of Privet Drive, probably to Grimmauld Place.

Though since Voldemort has just had a number of DE's sent to Azkaban he may not have the forces to mount a serious attack on Harry, or the Grangers for that matter.

rotsiepots September 1st, 2003 1:20 pm

I don't think the protection extends to the Dursleys, Elric. Lily died to save Harry and Harry alone -- being near Petunia strengthens this protection through the bonds of blood.

You're correct in assuming that any attack on Petunia may jeopardise Harry's protection. It's the common link of blood that makes Dumbledore's ancient magic work so efficiently -- I can only assume that if Petunia was killed, or taken away, that Harry would be very vulnerable.

FlyingPhoenix March 11th, 2004 3:37 pm

The shortest stay
 
Quote:

Adele: Will poor Harry be stuck at the Dursleys' all next summer?
JK Rowling replies -> Not all summer, no. In fact, he has the shortest stay in Privet Drive so far.
Now how short is short? I did look up the hp-lexicon so far to get an idea what might happen in book6. Because I got a sudden idea as I did read that part of this chat.

PS/SS:
Harry was all summer till September the 1. at Privet Drive.

COS:
Harry was till August the second at Privet Drive. Till June 19th at Hogwarts.
So we get a clue how long the term is.

You see we getting closer how short it can mean. Let look further

PoA:
Harry was till August the 7th at Privet Drive. Till the 18th June at Hogwarts.

GoF:
Harry stayed till August the 24th at Privet Drive. Till the 3th July at Hogwarts.

OotP:
Harry stayed till August the 6th at Privet Drive. Till the so around June at Hogwarts.

In OotP Harry was 4 weeks at the Privet Drive this was the shortest time at Privet Drive this means Harry will leave the Privet Drive the next time earlier as 4 weeks.
This of course means in book6 we have Harry's birthday for the first time somewhere else as at the Privet Drive.

Now the question is how short? From the POV of Voldemort is Harry at the best to get if he is not at "home" and after Harry araifed at King Cross he is not at "home" yet. This is important because the OotP don't escort him back at home:
Harry nodded. He somehow could not find words to tell them what it meant to him, to see them all ranged there, on his side. Instead, he smiled, raised a hand in farewell, turned around and led the way out of the station towards the sunlit street, with Uncle Vernon, Aunt Petunia and Dudley hurrying along in his wake.

Maybe short means just one day, after all. Just enough to get the things nothing more. Its like Harry is on a golden plate if he is leaving King Cross without guardians.

potterfan300 March 11th, 2004 4:15 pm

i think that if this is his shortest stay ever, it makes me wonder
how far along is book 6
jk said it was going really well and that it was flowing like a mountain stream
is she at least done with the summer?

Nephel March 11th, 2004 4:29 pm

I think Harry will stay in Privet Drive until the order know where/ what Voldemorte is so they will know it is safe to extract him. As for him having no guardians, I think somebody will tail the car drive home from Kings cross to Surrey.

potterfan300 March 11th, 2004 4:30 pm

but he wont stay there for long i bet

LynorEclipse March 11th, 2004 4:51 pm

So much for my sister's theory of him staying there all summer! I think that something interesting will happen (as usual) and that will be part of the reason he leaves Privit Drive. The other part of the reason might be to give him a treat because he has been through so much and the Dursleys aren't helping. I could see him being depressed during his short stay. Hey! Maybe they'll rescue him as a birthday present, like a week before his birthday? I think that he will be there longer than a day. My bet is two weeks (which doesn't fit in with the birthday present thing, but oh well - I'll just contradict myself since I won't know anything for sure until I have read the book!). Anyways, those are my thoughts. I wonder, do you think he will stay long the following summer, in book seven?

Doggy March 11th, 2004 5:00 pm

This seems to have been sort of discussed in What do you think might drive Harry out of Privet Drive again? but since I'm not completely sure if these two threads discuss the same thing, I'll just post it here until it gets closed/merged.

The "shortest stay" could mean anything from two minutes in Privet Drive, to two minutes shorter than the now-shortest stay. It doesn't really say much more than that we now know as a fact that Harry will leave Privet Drive.

I think Harry will leave relativly early, such as a couple of weeks after he came. Possibly because he forgets to call the Order and tell them he's alive when he should, and when they come to check on him he asks them to bring him with them.

noddwyd March 11th, 2004 7:24 pm

this could be a bad thing. It could mean that his aunt is asassainated and Privet Drive is attacked. Thus him leaving early. Or escaping the deatheaters while the order fight with them. I wonder if Tonks could impersonate him, and act as a decoy?

Well, that's the depressing possibility. The other is that Hermione will come and get him 'very soon' as she promised. And maybe, just maybe, he will have his birthday with his friends, though he may still be depressed.

potterfan300 March 11th, 2004 8:03 pm

i like your therory

potterfan300 March 11th, 2004 8:24 pm

maybe he does something stupid and gets kicked out of the house
maybe he tries to kill dudley
not that that would be a bad thing........................

SnowyOwl March 11th, 2004 8:58 pm

Nice idea, Tane. It could easily have something to do with a person managing to do magic late in life in a dangerous situation. There are plenty of possible scenarios.
I don't think Harry is going to do something stupid enough to get himself kicked out, he will probably try to control his impulses more now.

Godrics_Heiress March 11th, 2004 10:36 pm

He'll probably stay at Privet for a week and then Hermione or anyone from the Order will fetch him up, because she said so herself that they'll see him very soon. They need to train him for his destiny with Voldy as early as possible.

potterfreak March 12th, 2004 12:18 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godrics_Heiress
He'll probably stay at Privet for a week and then Hermione or anyone from the Order will fetch him up, because she said so herself that they'll see him very soon. They need to train him for his destiny with Voldy as early as possible.


wow this sounds really cool!
imagine harry being trained and taught some fabulous new spells and hexes by dumbledore himself and lupin the whole summer in private and secret lessons ...
or imagine tonks showing him how to conceal and to diguise himself
or imagine him practising the dark arts on his own ...

oh, well, this is of course just possible, if the law of underage whizardry gets changed before ;-))

I really like this idea pretty much! This would just be mega-cool ...

celebrian March 12th, 2004 12:34 am

another possibility i was thinking of was that in her recent interview, jk said that when muggleborns recieve their hogwarts letter, a messenger is sent to explain everything to their parents. we have a possible wizard in harry's neighbourhood - mark evans. Hes ten years old in ootp, so during the summer hell be old enough to recieve his hogwarts letter. so perhaps the messenger will take harry with him. now who could this guardian be. perhaps hagrid - seeing as hed probably like to drop in on harry and we did see him acting in this capacity for harry. perhaps someone else in the order. perhaps snape (oooh wouldnt harry love that). or perhaps a new character, maybe even the new dada teacher? theres supposed to be unexpected stuff coming up with the durseleys, what if petunia knew the messenger?

hesdead-dealwithit March 12th, 2004 12:56 am

Shortest stay sounds like about three weeks to me. I refuse to believe that Dumbledore entirely trusts the combination of the Petunia-bloodlines connection and irregular watch by Figg and others. The bloodline connection is unbeatable, of course - as long as Harry considers the Dursley house his home. And there is a very real possibility that Harry, longing for contact with the magical world, will no longer consider it his home. It's a fine line, and no one will really know for sure exactly when it has been crossed, so while pulling Harry out of Privet Drive may exacerbate the problem, I still think that the connection is currently tenuous enough to forget the whole deal and get Harry to the Order (or the Burrow).

*Maven* March 12th, 2004 2:59 am

Interesting are we sure that petunia needs to be around or is it just where Harry calls home. If it is then possibly Harry could shift his view of home to Hogwarts and be immune there. That would be cool.

jasper March 12th, 2004 4:22 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by *Maven*
Interesting are we sure that petunia needs to be around or is it just where Harry calls home. If it is then possibly Harry could shift his view of home to Hogwarts and be immune there. That would be cool.

No, look at it this way: if Harry shifts his view of home to Hogwarts, he loses the immunity provided by Petunias home. He's safe (as in bloodline safe) nowhere if he shifts his view like that. I don't think it really works that way. If the spell works on Harry's feelings, then he's only safe in Petunia's home as long as he feel at home there. Seeing as the Dursley's have always tried to make sure he never felt at home in his life, I doubt that it works that way. He can call the place home as long as Petunia is allowing it. I think calling it home is strictly being allowed to reside there.

Merrymime March 12th, 2004 11:12 am

I'd personally like to see Ginny involved in the first part of the book somehow. I would love to see her come and get Harry, perhaps. Maybe she would run away and go get him without anyone knowing. I don't know why she would do that and I don't have anything to base this on, but I just think it would be cool.

One thing mentioned earlier in this thread before JKR's last interview was that Hermione's parents might get attacked. I think something like this is likely to happen. I don't know if it would be a reason for Harry to leave the Dursley's, but I expect it to happen sometime in book six. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if many of the muggle family members of students (perhaps students of the DA especially) were to be harmed or murdered. I mean, these would be muggles who know about the wizarding world. Could these muggles pose some kind of threat to Voldemort, perhaps? I dont' know.

What ever happened to that list of members in the DA that Hermione had? I don't remember. If DE's got hold of that list, they might go kill the muggle parents. Seamus' dad is a muggle as well as Hermione's parents. I think maybe the Creavey brothers might be muggle born. I can't quite remember. Anyway, I'm getting off topic. Sorry.

Nephel March 12th, 2004 1:19 pm

I think Harry'll get a false vision of R/H getting attacked and this will draw him outta Privet Drive.

Animagi rock! March 12th, 2004 3:54 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by *Maven*
Interesting are we sure that petunia needs to be around or is it just where Harry calls home. If it is then possibly Harry could shift his view of home to Hogwarts and be immune there. That would be cool.

Dumbledore said: "While you can still call home the place where your mother's blood dwells, there you cannot be touched or harmed by Voldemort ... You need return there only once a year, but as long as you can still call it home, whilst you are there he cannot hurt you"

Obviously for the spell to work, he has to call the place "home" where Petunia lives, so I don't think that it would work if he shifted his view of home to Hogwarts, as Petunia doesn't live there. Actually I think he has always considered Hogwarts more of a home than Privet Drive ever since he first went there, but as long as he at least visits his aunt once a year, it doesn't seem to matter if he doesn't like it there or if the Dursleys don't want him there as long as they let him stay.

Morgan LeFay March 12th, 2004 7:53 pm

Thank God he didn't need to check it himself (Voldy nor DE showed at Privet Drive 4), but we know the spell works - when uncle Vernon were trying to constrict Harry, he "yelped and released Harry as though he had received an electric shock". Not very sophisticated, but effective.

Animagi rock! March 12th, 2004 9:23 pm

I don't know if that's because of dumbledore's spell, though. I don't think that would protect him from uncle Vernon. Probably Harry was just unknowingly doing some magic again to stop uncle Vernon choking him. I'm actually surprised that he didn't get in trouble for it.

pegoheart144 March 12th, 2004 10:12 pm

I think Dumbledore won't want to make the same mistake twice. He let Harry brood too long over the course of OoTP. He'll have Harry stay at Privet Drive only as long as he has to. I'd like to see Harry leave Privet Drive before his birthday so that he can have a party.

hotty1 March 13th, 2004 2:53 am

undefinedI AGREE WHITH YOU

Nycade March 13th, 2004 3:04 am

I like your opinion, Dead. Even if Dumbledore does trust the irregular watch, I doubt Mrs. Weasley or Mrs. Figg will have much confidence in it anymore, after the mistake that was made at the beginning of Book 5. I especially liked your idea that he could begin to stop considering it home... that would really be interesting to see what would happen in that instance, and also to see how he deals with what results. Even though Dumbledore explained that he had to consider Privet Drive his home, Harry can't really control that. If he didn't consider Privet Drive his home anymore, I would think the Weasleys' home (probably not Grimmauld, since Sirius's death) would be his next choice, so it would also be fascinating to see how Mrs. Weasley (who I think seems to feel most strongly about his considering their house a home) in particular would deal with the results of something she'd be likely to feel was a good thing. I would love to see that happen, in the sense of what a cool plot it could potentially create.

Auror Fett March 13th, 2004 3:18 am

You know, Morgan LeFay might be on to something here. Because if it was just Harry doing magic unknowingly, than he sure as heck would have gotten a severe warning. We all know that the MoM was trying everything legally possible at the time to get Harry quieted; so even a slight bit of magic, even something Harry did unknowingly, I bet they would have considered 'very dangering' magic so they would have probably sent him a letter warning him. BUT, they didn't did they, so maybe the causing of Vernon to yelp of pain was really Dumbledore's seal after all. We just never know about these things, do we lol...

eXistenZ March 15th, 2004 6:17 pm

The answer is simple: prurient

pegoheart144 March 15th, 2004 6:52 pm

I haven't seen anyone mention this one so far. What if Bill Weasley and Fleur Delacour get married. Surely Harry would want/need to be present for a wedding.

OrbitingElle March 15th, 2004 10:59 pm

I'm going to take a stab at something here, I might be waaay off base, but here goes:

I was never satisfied with the explanation given about Dumbledore's strange and suspicious behavior in book 5. My wild guess is that something will happen with him, somehow breaking him down and forcing him to tell Harry's whereabouts. A second secret keeper betraying Harry might bring the story around full circle, not only exposing Harry to immense danger, but forcing him to fight without his mentor in any state to help him.

Merrymime April 1st, 2004 3:29 pm

I just re-read the end of book five and Moody tells Harry that if they don't hear from him in three days in a row, they'll send someone along. This is on the last page of the book.

So, maybe Harry will forget that Moody said this and he'll only be there for three days. Yippy! :clap:

SnowyOwl April 1st, 2004 8:42 pm

Hmm...it's not likely that Harry could forget anything to do with leaving the Dursley's. Much more likely that either Dumbledore will have learned not to isolate those that need to hide out, or that something will happen to necessitate Harry's removal.

Pegasus April 1st, 2004 9:13 pm

Everything in the books has escalated enough that I don't think Harry will be leaving Privet Drive without an official escort, and I don't mean the Weasleys. I don't want to speculate on just how it will happen because I really have no idea, and if Rowling were that predictable, I wouldn't love her writing as much as I do. I just know that, given the early events of Book Five and the current situation with Voldemort and the Death Eaters (including the state of Azkaban), there's no way Harry's getting out of there without at least as much protection as he had last time. Hey, thought: Perhaps Dumbledore sends him a portkey?

zoeydsngwrtr April 1st, 2004 9:13 pm

I don't think that Harry will be driven out of Privet Drive this summer. He knows why he is there now, A, and also, I think that the Order will eventually come for him

Pazarius April 2nd, 2004 4:52 am

How about this... a few days after Harry arrives back at the Dursleys, Professor Snape turns up at the door! Apparently Dumbledore considers it imperative that Harry master occlumency before he returns to Hogwarts, is again unable to teach Harry himself, and so has forced Snape to tutor Harry during the holidays!

Would be very, very funny...

Bee April 2nd, 2004 7:24 am

I think Vernon and Petunia (especially when egged on by vernon) can be very cruel when they want to be, and I think if they're just horrible enough to Harry, he'll eventually lose it. Especially if they insult Lily or James, or Hogwarts, even.

Merrymime April 2nd, 2004 8:15 am

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Originally Posted by Pazarius
How about this... a few days after Harry arrives back at the Dursleys, Professor Snape turns up at the door! Apparently Dumbledore considers it imperative that Harry master occlumency before he returns to Hogwarts, is again unable to teach Harry himself, and so has forced Snape to tutor Harry during the holidays!

Would be very, very funny...

:elaugh: He-He-He! I like it! Probably won't happen, but I still like it. I hope it is something cool and unexpected like this. Also, I would like to see Snape's reaction to the Dursleys. I think Snape could put them in their place real quick. If Snape came to pick him up, though, I don't know if Harry would go willingly. I don't think Harry completely trusts Snape. But, it would create an interesting dillema for Harry; go with Snape or stay at the Dursley's...tough decision.

daz April 2nd, 2004 1:24 pm

When he does leave i think we will be in for a surprise.JK would not have said he will leave early unless she was sure we could not guess as she likes to surprise us with what she comes up with.

Amelia Snape April 2nd, 2004 6:05 pm

I don't think Harry'll have to be driven out I think after a while he'll have to rescued or he'll have to be taken out before he kills the dursleys...He'll probably be in some mental state over the summer after the whole Sirius thing...Poor Harry :sad:

Pegasus April 2nd, 2004 6:35 pm

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I think Vernon and Petunia (especially when egged on by vernon) can be very cruel when they want to be, and I think if they're just horrible enough to Harry, he'll eventually lose it. Especially if they insult Lily or James, or Hogwarts, even.
Harry has taken off before--he's not going to be allowed to again. Remember all the owls he got pelted with last time he nearly left? I definitely think we're in for a new surprise--Rowling would not have it any other way.

Prof Dippet April 9th, 2004 8:32 pm

I think that the clues lie in what JKR has already told people in the World Book Day Chat. The first important thing to remember is that she has said that it will be his shortest stay in Privet Drive yet.

Also I think it's important when propehecising what's going to happen that she's also said that we will find out what Dudley saw when he was attacked by dememtors (does this point to another Dementor attack) and that Vernon Dursley is the character she hates the most in the book. From that I think that we can safely assume that Vernon is certainly not going to get any better and will likely treat Harry worse - he did try and turf Harry out of his home last year.

I think that Petunia is likely to warm towards Harry this year. The situation has changed considerably from the way it was before and I, being one of those people who believes that Petunia is a squib, I think Petunia can grasp the fact that it is no time for petty squables about burning the breakfast. Also remember that she has been known to show Harry kindness in the past. Look back at OotP it was she who persuaded Vernon to let Harry stay, and she who bothered to cook him meals while Vernon would probably have left him to rot.

If Harry was depressed and cut up about seeing Cedric die then imagine how shattered and distraught he will be this comming summer. We can safely say that Harry's life is not likely so seem any rosier this time around.

I also think that Vernon does not already know about Petunia's past, given the suprise that Vernon had when she knew about Azkaban and Dementors, and his general disgust of anything linked to magic.

Lastly I am keen to see how Harry and Mrs. Figg's relationship develops this time seeing as she will probably be the only close link to the Wizarding world for a while - and what is the connection between her, her cats and Argus Filch.

So here is my little theory: At some point (maybe Book 7 not 6) Vernon will discover that Petunia is a squib and has magic links. This will probably lead to a massive row and Vernon accusing her of being a liar and filthy etc. Petunia will be forced to leave 4 Privet Drive, and so will Harry because he must stay where ever Petunia stays. Perhaps this is in fact dudley's worst fear or something along these lines and maybe he will come with Petunia as well. If this does happen, I think that they will either go to Mrs. Figg or stay at 12 Grimmaud Place (If Harry does recieve Sirius' estate and belongings).

Your thoughts?

onetruegryffindor April 9th, 2004 8:48 pm

I doubt that Pertunia and Mrs Figg can both be squibs and as Mrs Figg is Pertunia is not

I think that something bad will happen (what? I cant decide) and Harry is forced to go and stay with the Weasley's so that he can halp

Pegasus April 9th, 2004 9:15 pm

I just started rereading Book 1. In the first few pages, Rowling explains Vernon's feelings about seeing people dressed in funny clothes acting strangely, and then when he hears whispers of Harry Potter, he thinks he should call Petunia. He thinks better of it: "There was no point in worrying Mrs. Dursley; she always got so upset at any mention of her sister. He didn't blame her--if he'd had a sister like that...but all the same, those people in cloaks..." (pg 5, American) When Hagrid bursts into that makeshift shack on a rock in the middle of the sea, Petunia goes raging about her sister, the "freak," and how she knew Harry would be abnormal.
The point I'm making is that Petunia's family is no secret, and it seems that Petunia is much more touchy about the whole magic thing than Vernon; he simply doesn't like abnormal people of any kind. He is surprised at Petunia in Book 5 for the same reason she is--he's surprised she spoke of the things in her past she had tried to forget. I don't think Vernon would ever kick his wife out. Petunia is not the least bit accepting of the magical community--she's jealous of her sister--and Vernon is very supportive of that. From where I stand, that's it.
Rowling did say it would be Harry's shortest stay ever--but I don't think it will have anything to do with a row between Petunia and Vernon.

koli April 9th, 2004 11:05 pm

I think that Dumbledore will want him to stay w/ the Dursley's as long as possible, but b4 the school year starts he will bring him back to the Grimmauld place probably... but it wont be the same w/o Sirius... :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset:

dobby_rocks April 9th, 2004 11:27 pm

I dont think anything major will happen he just knows now he must spend a small amount of time there and then he can leave. As he gets older id guess the time gets shorter and shorter

Liselle April 10th, 2004 3:05 pm

I don't think that there will be any one thing that will drive Harry from Privet Drive, more a combination of factors

The lack of sympathy from the Dursleys and the pain of losing Sirius
The fact that he only needs to go and stay at Privet Drive/with Petunia for a short time period means he'll have itchy feet
Dumbledore and or the order feeling that he would be better off with his own kind

I can't see Harry losing the plot again this time and running away, won't he be of age now in the wizarding world so he could feasibly turn on the dursleys too....

wbp9999 April 11th, 2004 5:31 pm

I don't think that'll happen, because that part makes me think they'll just send some one by to check on him and make sure he is OK. And if the Dursleys are abusing him, Moody or whoever will do something to the Durselys, but Harry will still have to stay.

thinkpink38 April 11th, 2004 5:40 pm

I think the Dursley faimly will be the reason why he is leaving, like in book 3. Because their going to be constantly annoying him, and I think the last thing he wants to be hearing is the constant yabbling of his uncle or aunt. And then, Lupin, and Mad Eye, are going to end up taking him out of there, like they promised him they would do at the end of book 5. (They did promise him did'nt they)

MnMbabe April 11th, 2004 6:34 pm

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I think that Dumbledore will want him to stay w/ the Dursley's as long as possible, but b4 the school year starts he will bring him back to the Grimmauld place probably
I dont think he will have to stay there for a long period of time, becuase JKR said it will be Harry's shortest stay at the Dursley's yet. I havent yet come up with an idea of how he is going to get out of there, but i'll let JKR figure that one out :D

jasper April 11th, 2004 6:38 pm

Just arriving back from Kings Cross, he sets foot through the door, and the place spins around and he's gone. . . because someone slipped in and made the hall rug into a portkey.

MnMbabe April 11th, 2004 6:39 pm

That would be rather interesting!

brighteyes April 30th, 2004 10:22 pm

JKR said that we'll see Narcissa :clap: in the next book. Possible reasons for that could be:
1. Death Eater trials. Narcissa being the mastermind behind the plan will of course be there. Or she'll be there to support her husband.
2. Something to do with Sirius' inhertance.

This could be a reason for Harry leaving Privet Drive early. If there is a trial, he should be a witness. If it concernes the Black estate, Sirius might have left it to him in his will, but his relatives my not like that

Marie Lexis April 30th, 2004 10:46 pm

I do think that something is going to happen to the Grangers. If not in the 6th book then the 7th. Because how is it possible for Voldemort not to do something about Hermione's parents. He has to know by now that Hermione is one of Harry's best friends which in turn will make him need to attack the Grangers. And I do think that's what is going to cause him to have to leave.

MasterDarkNinja April 30th, 2004 11:28 pm

He will probably get out from some chaotic event again which leaves the Dursley's angry at him just like the other books I think. I mean they've always been mad at him for something besides just being there.

-Book 1: The whole Hadrig incident and how that he was going to start to learn magic (well it didn't make him have to leave them right away and not come back until next summer though true, but they were still mad about it and how they failed to get rid of the magic in him).
-Book 2: The Dobby incident and how he escaped in the car
-Book 3: Losing control and blowing up his aunt
-Book 4: What happened when leaving for the Quiddich tournament with Fred and George's trick
-Book 5: The dementor attack which Dudley blamed on him and made them start to try to throw Harry out.

Part of my guess for book 6 is that Harry is going to be more careful this time from knowing how that he's there to be protected, so he probably won't be outside much. I'd say that losing control and doing magic without wanting to might cause it this time. Another reason could be trouble with the guard and protecting Harry (though I doubt that would happen).

hermy_weasley2 April 30th, 2004 11:50 pm

In my opinion, Harry isn't exactly desperate to stay at Privet Drive. I think he would find any reason to leave Privet Drive as soon as possible.

SanityEscapesMe May 1st, 2004 12:13 am

JKR did say it will be Harry's shortest stay at Privet Drive. I'm thinking he will just leave on his own. Being that he will be 15 going on 16. I think he will go to Sirius house to mourn and then go to Ron's.

Stayce May 1st, 2004 12:28 am

I think the Dursley's must surely endure Harry having Ron and/or hermoine come for a visit. Otherwise the order would "attack them and this also allows for the usually chaos. Also I think that Petunia must die so that the place is no longer safe for Harry and the situation becomes more desperate. So while the boys are upstairs laughing at the Dursley's attitudes maybe a death eater or Vol himself shows up and Harry and Ron/Hermoine fight, and get away but Petunia is killed off by accident leaading to Voldemorts better understanding of Harry's Power so far. Anyway, laugh, enjoy, or comment. All I truly want to know is when the heck the book is coming out already, I'm dying to know what happens.

Liselle May 1st, 2004 2:49 pm

Harry comes of age and leaves the Dursleys of his own free will, moves to Grimmauld place (as presumably Harry will be his heir).....manages to get rid of that nasty picture of Mrs Black and kretcher.

Discordia May 1st, 2004 4:48 pm

Well Rowling has basially said that there was going to be a full out war in the magical world so he might not be entirely safe at the Dursley's. His mother's love is protecting him at the Dursley's and it's only because of Petunia that Harry didn't run off that night from Privet Drive. Vernon has become aware to the dangers of having Harry as a surrogate son and he's not going to want someone around who may or may not get them all killed. Considering how much Vernon hates Harry I don't really think he's truly safe there. The MoM sent dementors to his house last year but seeing how there's a war and Voldemort is after him and the prophecy do you really think he'd be safest there? Even with his mother's protection it won't make him immune to all the things going on around him and he won't be entirely safe there for long.

As for Petunia now that I'm on her that woman is going to need to shape up and grow a spine becasue this is not the time for her to persist with her old grudge against Lily and her world. Petunia knows who Voldemort is and she has an understanding of what that means. Whether Harry wants to admit it or not his life depends on this woman and she needs to stop being so selfish and start getting ready for what's coming.

Liselle May 13th, 2004 11:21 pm

This just popped into my head, I think we could be looking at this the wrong way, maybe Harry won't be "driven" from Privet Drive, maybe he'll be taken either by Dumbledore or someone else

I'd like Dumbledore to take him, turn up at the house (much to the chagrin of the Dursley's) but forcing Petunia to admit just how much she knows. Harry goes with Dumbledore to either
*Godric's Hollow
*Hogwort's where he explores the Chamber of Secrets with DD ~ nice symmetry to do so in book6
*elsewhere

Maybe a flight of fancy but if Harry's turning of age and decides to leave Privet Drive isn't it preferable that he's taken so people know where he is

Discordia May 26th, 2004 2:02 pm

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3. Something pretty nasty/scary is going to happen to Harry. The kind of thing that, if you knew it was coming at you, you would probably go into hiding. Worse than the nasty scary stuff he has already faced up to? Dude...
I get the feeling that this guy is right and most likely Harry is in for a rough ride. Not only is Voldermot back he wants to kill him and will kill anyone close enough to him if it means accomplishing his means. I know that if I was Harry I'd probably end up doing one of several things:
-Locking myself in my own Gringotts vault. Technically only a Gringotts goblin can come get you out so it's not like anyone would be able to come and find you. It would probably be the safest place to hide
-Use my invisibilty cloak and attach my trunk to a broom stick. I'd have lit out of there so fast you wouldn't have had to time to as, who's your daddy.
-Kill myself and go live with myrtle in her toilet. Hey, being a ghost wouldn't be so bad...I mean it's not like they can kill you again or anything. Better I kill myself than let that sadistic Bellatrix get her paws on me first

Flee From Death May 26th, 2004 5:04 pm

There's another thread about how book 2 and book 5 are similiar, and Mutant for Hire came up with a theory that the books tend to go on a 3 book cycle for certain themes/patterns. For instance, in 1 and 4 the DADA are working directly for Voldemort, and in 2 and 5 they are people we don't like, and who turn out to be worse than we thought at the end, but as far as we know not working for Voldemort.

I think the manner in which Harry leaves 4 Privet Drive may mirror this theme.

1 and 4 (and 7?): Harry leaves Privet drive with the Dursley's (unwilling) consent.

2 and 5: Harry is rescued from Privet Drive without the consent of the Dursleys.

3 (and 6?): Harry runs away from privet drive.

This just happens to be a theory I like, Mutant for Hire is pretty convincing on the thread.

As to what would drive Harry away, I think it would have to be something pretty big, such as a direct attack on the house (I think he'd be unlikely to heed anymore dreams he had about people being attacked) or a huge argument (with the Dursleys?) that makes him so angry he runs away without thinking ablout the consequences.

Aislynn May 26th, 2004 5:55 pm

I think that although an attack on Hermione's family would be an interesting idea, perhaps Voldemort's coming back has broken the charm put on Harry by his mother.

What if Voldemort tried to attack Harry at Privet Drive? After all, he has the strength to touch him now. I think he might send a DE to do it...perhaps then, Petunia will find out that she has magical powers of her own. I believe somewhere, JKR did say that someone was going to find out that they had powers later on in life, which is not usual for the wizarding world.

I just don't think an attack on the Grangers would be enough to bring Harry out. Either someone will attack Privet Drive, I think, or the Order members will come and get him. In either way, I think with the death of Sirius, he wouldn't want to leave on his own, something is going to make him leave.

BTW, I think he'll do GREAT on his DDA OWLS! I could possibly see him becoming an Auror.

Prof.Blink May 27th, 2004 12:48 am

well, now that the wizarding world knows that LV is back maybe he will return to his murderous ways and go on a killing spree. The muggles will be told and the fears harry had last summer will be confirmed.

Maybe dumbledore will realise that harry is safer if he stays with him, so that he can keep an eye on him, especially since harry's blood protection now resides in LV veins too....ohhhh i wish. i would love to see where dumbledore lived.

jen15poms May 27th, 2004 2:30 am

I'm thinking that with Voldemort back in action, Harry is going to be needed in the wizarding community during the summer, which will be the reason for his abbreviated stay at #4 Privet Drive. I'm hoping that the book doesn't start out with something too terribly tragic, but after the end of OotP, we can't really count on the safety of anyone!!!

moi May 27th, 2004 3:03 am

well this is just my theory ok? remember JKR did mention in the World Book Day chat that there will be new minister of magic? Then maybe there will be a case against Fudge because he didn't beleived at first that Lord voldemort is back and that will throw him out of his position and Harry will stand as a witness against him for he's the one who witnessed the return of Lord Voldemort. So maybe that will be the reason that might drive Harry out Privet Drive early... just a theory ok?

mevam May 27th, 2004 3:29 am

Now that Sirius is dead, I think that Harry will be making a trip to his funeral, given wizards have them, and then Harry will likely visit whatever home he inherits from Sirius, if Sirius owns one.

I think that HArry will still be at the Dursley's but that he will be attacked by Voldemort who has since learnt how to use the protection of Harry's mother that he has in his blood. The ORder will realize that HArry is no longer safe under Petunia's eye, and so they will have to keep him in strict hiding elsewhere.

Culte Ventosus May 27th, 2004 3:34 am

These are the things JKR says will occur...
There will be a new minister of Magic...If you open the section of her website with the animated ads at the bottom several times, you get different ads including one which has Fudge being run out of office...
Muggles will notice odd things as the war gets going. We will probably see this while Harry is with the Dursleys...
Harry hasn't used magic on Dudley YET! Someone late in life (Petunia?) manages to do magic.Dudleys Dementor fears are explained...All these things may happen in books 6 or 7, but suggest a crisis on Privet Drive...
Harry gets a new pet, and odds are it will be Buckbeak. If he also gets 12 Grimmauld place, then it is now home, and he could live there. Since Lupin is residing there, not to mention yhe other members of the Order, Dumbledore would probably deem it safe, and no more Dursleys...Besides, if Uncle Vernon doesn't like owls, we cannot expect a hippogriff would be welcome...
Throw into this the Mark Evans plot twist. Will he interact with Harry or Dudley? Maybe his sorting will be a surprise.

Lestrange June 12th, 2004 8:25 am

I've been wondering since I've read this thread, if, by some twisted fate, Petunia is killed, then wouldn't Harry have protection still with Dudley? He is, afterall, directly related to Petunia, however many Vernon-esque qualities he possesses.

Or perhaps there's something Dumbledore explains in the end that I've forgottten. :shrug:

I don't believe that Harry's home is where ever he shifts his views as home to be. If it were that case, Voldemort could have easily murdered him at Privet Drive any time after his rebirth, but couldn't touch a hair on his head at Hogwarts. If it's a combination of the two, however, Harry could be harmed (but not killed, I suppose) in either place.

Hmm. This change of perspective is interesting. I've always thought that the initial factor in Vernon's hatred of magic was all the horrid things that Petunia has said about her sister and the magical world in general (warped, of course, by her skewed perspective and jealously towards Lily), and he took Petunia's views as unmitigated truth, being as disapproving as he is of imagination and such.

Anyway, I like the idea of Harry being taken from Privet Drive for Sirius's funeral (by Dumbledore personally of course :) ), and then somehow he ends up visiting the gravesite of James and Lily.

Why would Harry want Grimmauld Place? Sirius would have probably left the estate to Dumbledore.

Katarzyna June 12th, 2004 4:59 pm

Lily's Blood in Dudley?
 
Something I haven't seen anyone talk about before... we know Harry is safe because he has a home with someone who shared Lily's blood. That's Petunia, Lily's sister. But Dudley is Petunia's son... he also shares Lily's blood. I wonder if JKR will make that part of the plot somehow.

Stephie June 12th, 2004 5:11 pm

I don't think anything will. Hopefully, this summer, Petunia won't be so hard on Harry.

RoadSafetyGirl June 13th, 2004 1:54 am

I think Harry may find himself actually slighly reassured to be at Privet Drive now knowing what he does - maybe he wont resent it so much knowing he is here to be kept safe so I think this time he won't be driven out ... but brought out when one or the Order come to collect him because of the important things happening in the wizarding world. And I also see a nice quiet chat with Petunia, a sort of understanding between them that has never existed before ...


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