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Old October 26th, 2006, 8:56 pm
DarwinMayflower  Male.gif DarwinMayflower is offline
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Re: Which film drives you mad when reading the book?

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Originally Posted by psycha View Post
Penguin ACTED like an upper class man and strived to be that even though his condition suggested that he wasn't.
But that's the thing at least in the comics he acted that way convincingly. In the movie he had no such motivation. He realized he was an animal and he wanted revenge; he never had any delusions as to where his social status was he knew he was an outcast. The Penguin in the comics had those delusions and actually managed to thrive in high society with nightclubs and such.
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In Batman Returns, The Penguin was portrayed by Danny DeVito. Director Tim Burton ,inspired by the film, "The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari",re-imagined the character not as an eloquent, sophisticated, short and fat man (as had been traditionally done before), but rather as a physically deformed psychopath
It goes to show that Burton didn't channel the Batman Penguin, but instead created one of his own imagination and influences.
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There is no canon for any of the Batman characters including details of origins, characterisaztion and even costumes. Even Batman's costume can be interpreted in a million different colours and subtle alterations and he'll still look like Batman. Put a woman in leather and a whip and she can claim she's Catwoman. Show a punk with a green mohawk, pale skin and red lipstick psychotic grin and he will come across as THE Joker.
The difference there is "subtle" alterations. Batman has hardly ever changed in the past few decades. Like you said, subtle varitions such as changing his usual yellow emblem into just a bat symbol on his grey costume. Changing his yellow utility belt to just a brown pocket belt. He's not like Iron Man who actually had over a dozen different Iron Man Armours. Any drastic change from Batman was either as a result of a one-shot, the whole Mecha Batman thing (which was someone else) or just an Elsewords Alt-Universe Batman.
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The tv shows are just as legit as anything else. There IS no Batman canon. His origin is that his parents were murdered by SOME mobster an then when he grew up he vowed to rid Gotham City of its crime by dressing as a bat. Everything else can be mythoplased any way anyone wants.

That's why Batman has been probably the most successful comic book hero. Because unlike the others, he is a 100% myth than can be told in any way, shape, or form without ever seeming blasphemous. Because fo that, his stories are always refreshing and enjoyable and never bogged down by any heavy continuity changes. Sure, you can't make him a crime fighting drag queen with a chainsaw in a too too dress, but still his world is far more open to free interpretation than any other comic figure.
It is true that there is no definate canon as to what Batman looks like, or what his life story is. But it goes to show that Batman is not the most openly interpretted comic figure in the industry. Beforementioned Iron Man, Powergirl, and Supergirl. Any number of X-Men changes to rebirths, revivals and re-imaginings of various X-Characters, Thor had a multi year story arc that lead up some incredible interpretations. The only way that Batman was openly interpretted was through the television media of him both Live-action and animated.

All in all, Batman had been the most static character of all probably up until Infnite Crisis and now during One Year Later. So you are right, there is no canon specfically of Batman because of all the interpretations. But it's not about a specific storyline when it comes with comic-book characters; it's about that one storyline comprised from 1000 storylines. It goes to show, when even minor character seemed to have more canon changes than a battleship compared to Batman, he's really most stable and therefore should be easier to adapt than other superheroes.



Last edited by DarwinMayflower; October 26th, 2006 at 11:36 pm.
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