The Sacrifice at the End of Book 7

[SharonDWB]

Discussion for the Burrow article The Sacrifice at the End of Book 7 by A Jupiterian. Spoilers!

[CrimsonWood]

Interesting...poor Harry if he has a horcrux because of "causing" his mother's death.
I don't really think that would work. That makes it seem a bit too easy to make a horcrux.
But all in all, good job. I can't be too harsh. I've never been able to write my own editiorial.

[BJTexan]

Great editorial, a little crazy but definitely interesting. Actually, the only big leap of specualtion was about Lily's death=rips Harry's soul, and everything else was pretty firmly rooted in canon, so good job.

I just want to elaborate a little bit about what I think might happen on the end of the book based on this quotation from the editorial:

Then again, I think it would be more likely that it would be Harry Potter who sacrifices himself knowingly, so that Lord Voldemort can be killed

What does it mean "sacrifices himself knowingly"? I think it means Harry will die by taking an AK curse that the Dark Lord meant for someone else and then when the Dark Lord tries to kill that person after Harry is dead the curse will rebound again just like when Lily died. I think this is a very likely ending to the book and would be a great one since it brings the story full circle back to the very beginning of Harry's life as a marked man. As much as I would hate to see Harry die, this would seem a poetic and heroic way for him to go.

[darules]

eh sorry but it is not well known that harry is one of voldemorts horcruxs
that is pure speculation
it is known that harry's death was intended to help voldemort make a horcrux .

but harry did not die and neither did voldemort and death has to occur for a horcrux to be made. harry 's death was the intended and lily was killed be4 voldy attempted
to kill harry


i do not know why people continue to use the prophecy as reference the prophecy was explained by dumbledor as not being the slightest bit important
it is quite simple
harry born 7th month is marked as equal has powers the dark lord knows not
one must kill the other cause they can't live while th eother survuves

and the fact that voldy can't live while harry survives and vv completely contradict s both of them being horcruxes.

because if harry was a horcrux the fact that he was surviving would mean voldy could live and vv

[Hally_Potter]

hmmmm.. very intersting... but i think it's even too far fetched for jk rowling

[sirlaughalot]

I don't believe that a person can have two different souls in the same body at the same time. In COS, Tom Riddle was replacing his horcux dairy soul with Ginny's as she was in the process of dying and losing her soul at the same time.

As for Harry...I don't want to believe that JKR will let Harry die at the end of the series, not after all that he has been through, parents being murdered, raised by the Dursley, losing Sirius and DD, dealing with Snape and finally Lv...especially after having the chance at love with Ginny and becoming a part of a family such as the Weasleys. Just my opinion but I don't think JKR is that cold hearted.

[maebelle]

Harry may sacrifice himself at the end of book seven. However, I do not believe his soul is split and part of it resides in Voldemort. It remains to be seen whether part of Voldemort's soul resides in Harry. This may be why Harry can speak parseltongue, why Harry could see Voldemort's thoughts, feel what Voldemort felt. Guess we will have to wait until the book comes out.

[ptrut12345]

I will have to disagree with this editorial. The intended object Voldemort intended to make into a horcrux (and there is no chance that that is Harry) would become the new horcrux for Harry. I also do not believe it possible that Harry's soul would be split upon the murder by Voldemort. Lily was killed by Voldemort directly, that split his soul. The protection did not come into effect until after he attacked Harry (after the horcrux opportunity). Thus, Harry's connection to Lily's murder is not direct. Secondly, Voldemort's death was only a result of his own attempted murder of Harry...it was like trying to shoot someone and the gun going off prematurely and hitting one's self. If anyone else bears responsibility, it would be Lily, though I feel that is a cheap shot at her. Just my thoughts.

I doubt that Harry can be Voldy's horcrux. At the end of OOTP, Voldemort tries to inhabit Harry's body during the battle in the MoM and cannot because of Harry's power to love. It was agony for Voldemort to try and share Harry's body. If that is the case, then how could part of Voldemort's soul be able to survive in Harry's body? Would it not wither and die because of Harry's inherent goodness?

[SusanBones]

I don't know how to say this without being impolite, but this was so far-fetched as to be impossible. If Voldemort had prepared ahead of time, then if there just happened to be any split-souls looking for a place to attach, then they would have attached to whatever Voldemort prepared, meaning an object.

The thought of Harry having to sacrifice himself, in other words, commit suicide, is not only repulsive, but just not something JK would do to her hero. The thought that souls just run around attaching to people without any direction, without a spell to attach them, goes against all canon description of horcruxes.

There is tons of canon evidence (anvil-sized hints) to prove that Harry or his scar are not horcruxes. Dumbledore said that Voldemort failed to make his 6th horcrux that night, and I believe that Dumbledore was correct.

I have never seen a piece of canon to show that horcruxes can be made accidently, especially if the intended victim did not die, and the person trying to make a horcrux no longer has a body.

Though I think the article is interesting I don't think it's accurate but it did get me thinking...the dementors in POA were very interested in harry and they didn't seem to know why. If Harry had a horcrux in him is that what the dementors were after? And if that were the case maybe Harry wouldn't have to die but he'd have to face a dementor and have a strong wizard by his side to summon a patronus when the horcrux was out of harry (because he'd probably pass out).... we'll see...

[tmbourg]

Originally Posted by garvle53

I doubt that Harry can be Voldy's horcrux. At the end of OOTP, Voldemort tries to inhabit Harry's body during the battle in the MoM and cannot because of Harry's power to love. It was agony for Voldemort to try and share Harry's body. If that is the case, then how could part of Voldemort's soul be able to survive in Harry's body? Would it not wither and die because of Harry's inherent goodness?

I was just going to say this .

I also don't believe that a horcrux can be made by accident . It takes powerful dark magic to create a horcrux , which to me would mean a complex spell . this artical said that Voldy "prepared the spell" before he entered the house . Can you do that ? I don't think you can say a spell , then save it for later . I think that to create a horcrux , you say the spell right after you murder someone , and since Voldy was going to make one using Harry's death (not james or lillys) , i don't think Voldy said the incantation . In closing , I don't think that Harry nor Voldamort are Horcruxes.

[Mickella]

I read your editorial, and I think that it is taking Horcruxes way too far. First off, if that was the case then the prophecy would read...that neither can die at the hand of the other, and neither can die while the other survives. If Harry sacrifices himself, then Voldemort cannot be killed according to the prophecy. Only Harry can vanquish him. If your theory were correct...then Harry could not sacrifice himself, because he would not die, Voldemort being his Horcruxe. It would be a vicious cycle

Good idea, but i dont think it is possible. Firstly, i doubt Harry is a Horcrux for Voldemobody because nobody creates a horcrux and then proceeds with an attempt to destroy it, which would have been the case if Voldemort did indeed make a Harry Horcrux. Also how could Harry have made Voldemort into a Horcrux? If Harry did "kill" Lily, he would have to capture the second part of his soul and somehow do the magic that encases the other half of the soul in Voldemort, which while being a baby is almost impossible.

[wizardress]

I love this theory!!! Great editorial. It IS kinda far-fetched but it's great all the same. And it COULD happen.

I doubt that Harry can be Voldy's horcrux. At the end of OOTP, Voldemort tries to inhabit Harry's body during the battle in the MoM and cannot because of Harry's power to love. It was agony for Voldemort to try and share Harry's body. If that is the case, then how could part of Voldemort's soul be able to survive in Harry's body? Would it not wither and die because of Harry's inherent goodness?

I think that Harry feels love all the time, his mother's sacrifice left him with lingering protection as Dumbledore once said. Maybe the only reason Voldemort was able to possess Harry was because of the horcrux Harry had. And the reason he had to leave was because the love Harry was feeling was unbearable...it BEAT the evil in him.

I really like this theory, and it would be so cool if it were true!

[all4potter]

a bit too far-fetched for me, and "i can imagine quite a bit" (quote from solo , i just recently saw episode IV for the 1000th time) so anyways. interesting thoughts but im with almost everyone here.

hard to believe that harry is a horcrux. wouldn't voldermont have to kill his mom then use the spell to create a horcrux. If the spell bounced of of harry then hit voldermont he didn't have time to create the horcrux in harry.

I do not agree with this at all because in book 6 slughorn mentions that evil must go into making a horcrux. Even dumbledore says thats they are one of the darkest forms of magic. I doubt that harry as a baby felt evil enough to use his mothers death to make himself a horcrux.

[mauradersrule]

ok i had to create an account to reply to this...i highly doubt this. doesnt voldemort want harry dead? so why would he make harry a horcrux. he would want to keep his horcruxes safe. harry's DEATH was supposed to enable voldemort to make his horcrux. and for harry having one...i might have to do some more research but the isnt the fact that harry can love and feel things prove he has a whole soul. when you split your soul that was unnatural and (they used some other specific word in the book). i think harry would act differently if he had 1/2 a soul

Originally Posted by mauradersrule

ok i had to create an account to reply to this...i highly doubt this. doesnt voldemort want harry dead? so why would he make harry a horcrux. he would want to keep his horcruxes safe. harry's DEATH was supposed to enable voldemort to make his horcrux. and for harry having one...i might have to do some more research but the isnt the fact that harry can love and feel things prove he has a whole soul. when you split your soul that was unnatural and (they used some other specific word in the book). i think harry would act differently if he had 1/2 a soul

First of the act of murder is what splits the soul, not the creation of the horcrux. We see solid proof from Dumbledore that a person with half a soul can love, contrary to what the quote says. Dumbledore got rid of Grindewald and with our knowledge so far from the books we can olny assume that dumbledore killed him. And we know he is dead because Jo says so in an interview. So the fact that Harry can love is not in contradiction with him having a spit soul. Still, even after stating this i believe the editorial to be impossible o have occured fo reasons stated in a previous reply of mine.