The Role of the Four Founders in "Deathly Hallows"

[Pedagogue]

Yeah, Lily Ravenclaw, I'm ditching that theory.

I just did a thread search about the sorting hat as a horcrux and came across some cool stuff, the coolest being that the sorting hat will serve as a connection between Harry and the founders.

[muggl3tt3]

I think it's safe to assume that the founders have died centuries ago, and there is no chance that Harry will meet them. Maybe he'll see them in a memory or something. (like how harry went into the pensive to see memories) but either than that, I think that it is very unlikely to meet someone who is supposed to be dead. If they were alive they'd probably be thousands of years old.

[marauderfan]

Welllll... considering they're dead, no. Unless Harry dies at the end of book 7, which I really hope will NOT happen. But as far as we know they are not ghosts, so Harry probably won't meet them.

[Woody12345]

I thinl that the remains of Salazar is a horcrux that harry will have to find and destroy.

[mysterious]

Originally Posted by Mad_Druid

Some people think that the Grey Lady is Rowena Ravenclaw but I don't believe that.

Erm... which Grey Lady?

[BellatrixL]

No I don't think so. That would be too weird for my taste...considering they died thousund years ago.

[RavenEye]

Originally Posted by mysterious

Erm... which Grey Lady?

The question is not 'which' but 'witch'! She's the Ravenclaw house ghost that drifts past when Harry and Ron are looking for the Mirror of Erised in PS.

[Pedagogue]

Do you have the page number for the American edition regarding the Ravenclaw ghost Harry and Ron see on their way to/from seeing the Mirror of Erised?

Now that Dumbledore is dead, will it become even more important for Harry to seek some help/guidance from the founders in some way?

[Mad_Druid]

Originally Posted by Pedagogue

Do you have the page number for the American edition regarding the Ravenclaw ghost Harry and Ron see on their way to/from seeing the Mirror of Erised?

'They passed the ghost of a tall witch gliding in the opposite direction' - The Mirror of Erised, PS.

I couldn't find the page number sorry.

[dragontamergirl]

Originally Posted by Heleentje

I don't think so. I'm afraid the founders are long dead, and I don't think any character will be revived.

but I do think there is a possibility that Harry finds something from the Founders that gives him necessary information, like a book or a letter.

but we don't know that they are dead. I mean I haven't read anything to say that they are.

[gyllyweed]

I have a theory about the black lake.

Every first year passes over the black lake. What if a founder started this? Furthermore, what is a founder possession=hx is in the lake?

Gryffindor made the sorting hat. The hat is still an active part in students lives. He kinda left a way to play a role in the school forever.

I know this is a long shot, I have just thought of it, and haven't done any research on it, but what if each of the founders left a way to continue to have a say in HW?

Maybe crossing the Black Lake is another mambers protection.



Another Theory: each founder has an area that may hold a secret.

Slytherin: the CoS

The Black Lake, The Forbiddin Forrest, maybe somewhere else in the castle could be a founders' "hide away" or office or something. Just an idea.

[RavenEye]

Originally Posted by gyllyweed

I have a theory about the black lake.

Every first year passes over the black lake. What if a founder started this? Furthermore, what is a founder possession=hx is in the lake?

The logical choice would be Slytherin, as that house is associated with water and its common room is under the lake.

Gryffindor made the sorting hat. The hat is still an active part in students lives. He kinda left a way to play a role in the school forever.

Gryffindor had the idea for the Sorting Hat, but all of the founders contributed some brains to it - so they're all getting a say through the Hat.

Another Theory: each founder has an area that may hold a secret.

Slytherin: the CoS

The Black Lake, The Forbiddin Forrest, maybe somewhere else in the castle could be a founders' "hide away" or office or something. Just an idea.

There were some theories about this: Slytherin=the Chamber of Secrets, Ravenclaw=the Room of Requirement, Gryffindor=headmaster's office/somewhere else, Hufflepuff=secret passages/kitchens/somewhere else.

[Quent]

maybe he will find a portrait,or possesion,of a founder,i doubt they will be met in person

[gyllyweed]

Originally Posted by RavenEye

The logical choice would be Slytherin, as that house is associated with water and its common room is under the lake.

I could be wrong, but I don't remember this in the books, and can't find it. If it is in a book could you tell me which one/ch/pg.? If it isnt, was this from a JKR interview? Would this make it into a non us version?

[RavenEye]

Originally Posted by gyllyweed

I could be wrong, but I don't remember this in the books, and can't find it. If it is in a book could you tell me which one/ch/pg.? If it isnt, was this from a JKR interview? Would this make it into a non us version?

It's from the interview with Melissa and Emerson in July 2005.

JKR: Probably. I hear you. It is the tradition to have four houses, but in this case, I wanted them to correspond roughly to the four elements. So Gryffindor is fire, Ravenclaw is air, Hufflepuff is earth, and Slytherin is water, hence the fact that their common room is under the lake. So again, it was this idea of harmony and balance, that you had four necessary components and by integrating them you would make a very strong place. But they remain fragmented, as we know.

[dobbysfriend]

I don't think that he will actually meet any of them, but he might use a pensive to learn more about the founders.

[Daelin]

OK, here's the relevant quote from the Mugglenet interview with J.K. Rowling in 2005:

"ES: Has the sorting hat ever been wrong?

JKR: No.

ES: Really?

JKR: Mm-mm. Do you have a theory?

ES: I have heard a lot of theories.

JKR: [laugh] I bet you have. No. [laugh] Sorry.

MA: That's interesting, because that would suggest that the voice comes more from a person's own head than the hat itself -

JKR: [makes mysterious noise]

MA: And that maybe when it talks on its own it comes from -

JKR: The founders themselves.

MA: Yeah. Interesting. How much of a role are the founders going to play in book seven?

JKR: Some, as you probably have guessed from the end of six"

In 'Deathly Hallows', the founders will act through the Sorting Hat.

OK, next piece. Recall what the Sorting Hat has been on about for the past several years. From HBP:

"You missed the Sorting, anyway," said Hermione, as Ron dived for a large chocolate gateau.

"Hat say anything interesting?" asked Harry, taking a piece of treacle tart.

"More of the same, really ... advising us all to united in the face our enemies, you know."

(HPB, US Edition, hard-bound page 163)


Still with me? OK next, we glance back to Harry in CoS, as Dumbledore discusses the fight with Tom Riddle in the diary:

"If you want proof, Harry, that you belong in Gryffindor, I suggest you look more closely at this."

Dumbledore reached across to Professor McGonagall's desk, picked up the blood-stained sword, and handed it to Harry. Dully, Harry turned it over, the rubies blazing in the firelight. And then he saw the name engraved just below the hilt.

Godric Gryffindor.

"Only a true Gryffindor could have pulled that out of the hat, Harry" said Dumbledore simply."

(CoS, US Edition, paperback pages 333-334)




Got it yet?



Harry needs to find the missing horcruxes, and fast.


The founders are speaking through the Sorting Hat, and have already helped Harry out as a "true" Gryffindor before with an artifact befitting his house.


Harry will be joined by 'true' members of the Ravenclaw, Hufflepuff, and Slytherin houses, and with their help will recover the four 'hallows' of Hogwarts' Founders.

I'm guessing, and it's just a guess here:

Grffindor: Harry

Ravenclaw: Hermione

Hufflepuff: ??? (gotta be a girl, though)

Slytherin: Draco

[fawkes_17]

If the sorting hat has never been wrong, why would hermione be in ravenclaw?

[MAGICicalMUggle]

In 'Deathly Hallows', the founders will act through the Sorting Hat.

I have to agree with you on this one Daelin! ...I have been thinking about this too!...The Founders have already helped Harry through the Sorting hat once already in CoS!...And i think that it will help Harry even more than he realizes in DH!...With all of the Founders combined knowledge and Magic!...And i think that the sorting hats warning about the houses having to be united against evil to will play a major part in DH!

Harry will be joined by 'true' members of the Ravenclaw, Hufflepuff, and Slytherin houses, and with their help will recover the four 'hallows' of Hogwarts' Founders.

Heres who i think are the true members of Ravenclaw,Hufflepuff,And Slytherin that will help Harry!

Gryffindor-Harry potter
My guess is that its Harry obviously Because he is a TRUE Gryffindor pulling the Sword out of the hat!
Ravenclaw-Luna Lovegood
It has to be Luna because she is wise and seems to hold a special bond with Harry that he has with noone else... and JKR's statement that Ravenclaw will have its day in Deathly Hallows!
Slytherin-Draco Malfoy
I think that Draco will redeem himself somehow and will be convinced to join Harry in his quest to destroy Voldemort to protect his family from being killed!
Hufflepuff-Susan Bones
My guess is that its Susan because almost her whole family has been hunted down and murdered on Voldemorts orders and her aunt Amelia Bones has been murdered by Voldemort himself...So i think Susan would want to help Harry getting rid of Voldemort for good!

[WhiteLilac]

Heres who i think are the true members of Ravenclaw,Hufflepuff,And Slytherin that will help Harry!

Gryffindor-Harry potter
My guess is that its Harry obviously Because he is a TRUE Gryffindor pulling the Sword out of the hat!
Ravenclaw-Luna Lovegood
It has to be Luna because she is wise and seems to hold a special bond with Harry that he has with noone else... and JKR's statement that Ravenclaw will have its day in Deathly Hallows!
Slytherin-Draco Malfoy
I think that Draco will redeem himself somehow and will be convinced to join Harry in his quest to destroy Voldemort to protect his family from being killed!
Hufflepuff-Susan Bones
My guess is that its Susan because almost her whole family has been hunted down and murdered on Voldemorts orders and her aunt Amelia Bones has been murdered by Voldemort himself...So i think Susan would want to help Harry getting rid of Voldemort for good!

These make more sense to me, though I think it may be someone else from Hufflepuff. I think the sorting hat will reappear to help with information. Plus once all the objects are present together, they may have an unprecidented magical quality, especially in the Hollow. The lady (don't have my book here) from whom LV stole the cup said the cup was supposed to have magical qualities that she'd never investigated. I'm hoping we'll find them out...