How and What Did Dumbledore Know About Frank Bryce's Murder?

[SKasparRollins]

I'm just guessing that Frank was fed to Nagini, because Voldemort threatens to feed Wormtail to her later in the book and it's pretty clear in the same scene, and later the graveyard scene that Voldemort intended to feed Harry to Nagini after he killed him. ("Just a little longer, Nagini....")

[elfears91]

would voldmemort really feed harry to nagini, he may have said as a the boy who lived will soon be the boy who died....as for frank bryce maybe he was eaten or his body was destroyed I don't think dumbledore knew much about bryce because the ministry had no way of detecting any magic and dumbledore probably would have done something if he knew LV was so near i wonder if anyone even noticed frank went missing granted he wasn't well liked but still his entire house is left untouched with nothing taken and frank is just gone so mabe dumbledore noticed it that frank went missing in LV's dead dad's town. if i lived in that town i think i would move by now

[Amdillae_Culmet]

I never caught onto the error in the wording in HBP. However I have an even bigger problem with Dumbledore's wording. If Nagini had kill Frank, I don't think that Voldemort could have used that kill to make a horcrux, because he had not made the kill, his soul would not have split.

As for *** idea of Dumbledore owning the old Riddle house, I think that that is quite probable. And I also agree that Dumbledore would have kept an eye on the hometown and Voldemort's parents, considering Voldemort had commited 4 murders (his uncle, father and grandparents) before he even started his war against the wiarding world. The notification of the diappearance of the gardener employee in the Ridlle house would have attracted Dumbledore's attention and he would investigated futher.

[rogues311]

If Dumbledore had been close enough to detect LV's presence I'm almost certain that Frank Bryce would have still been with us today. DD would have confronted or at least came in contact with Voldemort before he could have been able to occupy the house or before Frank was killed (and i since Frank was killed, it had to have been Voldemort for the fact that Mr. Bryce's soul came out of LV wand while at the graveyard)

[Speeves]

In the American paperback version pages 601-602, in chapter thirty, Dumbledore states that he reads the Muggle newspapers while talking about the disappearance of Frank Bryce in the town that Voldemort's father grew up. Dumbledore simply connected the dots.

[RemusLupinFan]

Originally Posted by Speeves

Dumbledore states that he reads the Muggle newspapers while talking about the disappearance of Frank Bryce in the town that Voldemort's father grew up. Dumbledore simply connected the dots.

I agree - Dumbledore put two and two together and figured that Voldemort murdered Bryce. I'm also guessing Dumbledore suspected that Voldemort might be using the Riddle house as Headquarters, and might have had people check it out.

[teardrops17]

I think Harry made mentioned of an old man coming out of the wand...

[Gandalf_Shaw]

Originally Posted by RemusLupinFan

I agree - Dumbledore put two and two together and figured that Voldemort murdered Bryce. I'm also guessing Dumbledore suspected that Voldemort might be using the Riddle house as Headquarters, and might have had people check it out.

This attention to detail seems typical of Dumbledore and it wouldn't surprise me. I wondered how he noticed what would have been such a small feature in a newspaper regarding Frank. If he was monitoring the area and checked the local papers around Little Hangletonthis would make more sense.

[IntricateLogic]

It was my understanding that the whole Wizarding community knew, because he was involved in the Riddle family murder, which the wizards knew was not the work of a muggle. Even if everyone didn't know, Dumbledore would be top of the list of the people who did know. The ministry often called on him for help.

[Lord Godric]

The only explanation I can come up that makes any sense to me is that Dumbledore is wrong. Dumbledore didn't know exactly what happened that night, and if he was indeed wrong, it could be devastating for Harry. Nagini could not be a horcrux.

[HedwigOwl]

Originally Posted by capella_black

I assumed the old Muggle man was Frank Bryce, the caretaker at the Riddle house, and so I was wondering how Dumbledore came to know of his murder. Harry saw it in a dream, but I don't remember if he ever told Dumbledore this. He does, however, tell Dumbledore at the end of GoF that an old man came out of the wand with his parents, and Cedric Diggory and Bertha Jorkins. Only this brings us to another problem...

Voldemort didn't use Nagini to kill Frank Bryce; he used Avada Kedavra.

In OotP, page 601 U.S., Dumbledore tells Harry about the disappearance of Frank Bryce, and that he thinks the Ministry is wrong in not thinking it's important or linked to the other events taking place (Bertha Jorkins, Barty Crouch Sr., etc.). So Dumbledore as usual stays informed about the Muggle world much more closely than other wizards.

As far as Nagini, on page 599-600, we learn through Harry's dreams that Voldemort was going to feed Wormtail to Nagini but the situation turned around, so Voldy said he'd soon be feeding Harry to Nagini instead. It's possible that although Voldemort did use the AK on Frank Bryce, he also fed him to Nagini right afterwards. It seems clear from GoF that Voldemort always intended on killing Harry with the AK first and then feed him to Nagini. Hides evidence of the murder and appeases the snake.