Details On The HBP Movie

[lcbaseball22]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

Why are people still complaining about there not being a battle? The reason why it was not included is completely logical.

Yeah, if you are satisfied with the excuse they gave- avoiding repitition. Personally I'm not ok with that reason.

I still say sticking to the book here and having the “skirmish” would have been 10 times better than that Burrow Attack they added. And they even set up the darkness powder, which could have been used here instead! They actually wouldn’t have even needed the confrontations that occurred in the book. Draco could have used to the powder to slip by unnoticed and then they just simply DON’T run into any help like they did in the book. Maybe they are too disoriented by the darkness powder and by the time they crawl out of it or whatever it’s too late or something. I dunno, but it could have played out much the same as it did after that point and at least we wouldn’t have the trio looking like idiots for not doing anything to try and stop Draco after they discovered where he was going and what he might be up to.


I'm confused though- there was a couple scenes where Harry tries to “tail” Malfoy. I still think it’s a shame the houselves were cut for this task. Anyways, so this didn’t lead to anything though as Harry seemingly never does find out in the film what Draco was really up to. Did he realize he was disappearing to the RoR? This wasn’t clear. And they omitted those lines where the trio solves this mystery so I wasn’t sure what we are supposed to assume. The best case would be for them to be completely unaware in the film of the suspicious activity but I don’t think this is the case as Harry says “I know what you did Malfoy” and is trying to track him around the castle. This does kinda beg the question why Harry didn’t have his friends keep an eye on Malfoy when he leaves with Dumbledore. At the very least he could have given them the map. But then I suppose this would have called for further action once they spotted him headed to the RoR and what I said above

[Noldus]

Originally Posted by LindaZhu

sorry to fight, but i pretty much dislike all of their scenes. the only exception would be the scene right after Sectumsempra, where the trio and Ginny are sitting in shadows and Ginny's like, "You have to get rid of the book." the rest of them, i think, were too awkward and just kept reminding me that i was watching a (supposedly) "romantic comedy".

Perhaps it was meant to be awkward? You could tell Ginny and Harry was a bit embarrassed when they were together. However, it was a bit odd that Ginny said "don't you trust me?" when feeding Harry. Trusting was one of the the themes in the film, and the film makers oddly felt they had to feed us with this information in case we would miss it.

I liked many of the Ginny/Harry scenes in the film except the ones at the Burrow. The kiss was okay, mostly because of the music and the aftermath scene. However, it could've been better and was very "hollywood-ish" with the "close your eyes" line.

In terms of how much screentime which was spend on romance I'll call it a romantic, fantasy comedy The film makers succeded in making an exceptional funny film. People was laughing all the time but when the film was finished many was disappointed. This is because they focused way too much on the romance. It didn't feel like a HP film.

[Apheka]

I've seen HBP three times and I've realised that the scenes with Ron and Hermione where he points out that she has toothpaste on her lip and butterbeer froth goes back to the first film where Hermione points out to Ron the fact he has dirt on his nose. It sort of sets up the turning around of their relationship where Ron is always trailing behind.

In the last scene in the tower, Ron is away from the other two because he doesn't remember Hermione holding his hand in the hospital bed and as we don't see them resolve this, it looks like Ron sees Harry and Hermione as being together.

[Noldus]

Originally Posted by lcbaseball22

Yeah, if you are satisfied with the excuse they gave- avoiding repitition. Personally I'm not ok with that reason.

I still say sticking to the book here and having the “skirmish” would have been 10 times better than that Burrow Attack they added. And they even set up the darkness powder, which could have been used here instead! They actually wouldn’t have even needed the confrontations that occurred in the book. Draco could have used to the powder to slip by unnoticed and then they just simply DON’T run into any help like they did in the book. Maybe they are too disoriented by the darkness powder and by the time they crawl out of it or whatever it’s too late or something. I dunno, but it could have played out much the same as it did after that point and at least we wouldn’t have the trio looking like idiots for not doing anything to try and stop Draco after they discovered where he was going and what he might be up to.


I'm confused though- there was a couple scenes where Harry tries to “tail” Malfoy. I still think it’s a shame the houselves were cut for this task. Anyways, so this didn’t lead to anything though as Harry seemingly never does find out in the film what Draco was really up to. Did he realize he was disappearing to the RoR? This wasn’t clear. And they omitted those lines where the trio solves this mystery so I wasn’t sure what we are supposed to assume. The best case would be for them to be completely unaware in the film of the suspicious activity but I don’t think this is the case as Harry says “I know what you did Malfoy” and is trying to track him around the castle. This does kinda beg the question why Harry didn’t have his friends keep an eye on Malfoy when he leaves with Dumbledore. At the very least he could have given them the map. But then I suppose this would have called for further action once they spotted him headed to the RoR and what I said above

I totally agree about everything. The film lacked a proper climax. Repetion is the worst excuse I've ever heard. It's about time or money. Admit it, Heyman! It was imo a terrible cinematic decision. Having Hermione and Ron investigating would've given us the HP feeling. The feeling of mystery and magic There was no mystery in the film. Draco mission was revealed after the Katie Bell attack. Arthur told Harry about the vanishing cabinet and we saw what Draco tried to do when the bird appeared at Borgin and Burges.

I was also wondering why Harry didn't know that Draco went to the room of Requirement. And why didn't he realize the saw the vanishing cabinet in the ROR? After all, it was similar to the one he saw at Borgin and Burges.

[boushh]

Originally Posted by LindaZhu

sorry to fight, but i pretty much dislike all of their scenes. the only exception would be the scene right after Sectumsempra, where the trio and Ginny are sitting in shadows and Ginny's like, "You have to get rid of the book." the rest of them, i think, were too awkward and just kept reminding me that i was watching a (supposedly) "romantic comedy".

OK. I wasn't trying to argue with you, by the way. Just sharing my opinion, which I guess happens to differ from yours. No big deal.

[LindaZhu]

Originally Posted by Noldus

However, it could've been better and was very "hollywood-ish" with the "close your eyes" line.

yes, i felt that line was immensely out of place too. it sounded like it was supposed to make the kiss all mysterious, with the result that it wasn't mysterious at all.

In terms of how much screentime which was spend on romance I'll call it a romantic, fantasy comedy The film makers succeded in making an exceptional funny film. People was lauhing all the time but when the film was finished many was disappointed. This is because they focused way too much on the romance. It didn't feel like a HP film.

i think after watching five movies of Harry walking around all angst-y, that's the standard fans have come to expect of the HP films. and then here comes a Harry who flirts with waitresses and gets fed pies by best friends' sisters... some people, myself among them, need to get used to that.

[Noldus]

Originally Posted by LindaZhu

yes, i felt that line was immensely out of place too. it sounded like it was supposed to make the kiss all mysterious, with the result that it wasn't mysterious at all.



i think after watching five movies of Harry walking around all angst-y, that's the standard fans have come to expect of the HP films. and then here comes a Harry who flirts with waitresses and gets fed pies by best friends' sisters... some people, myself among them, need to get used to that.

Nothing wrong about the line itself but the delivery was wrong. I blame the director for that. They built up to a big kiss and then we got like nothing And why couldn't they showed Ginny hiding the book and seeing the diadem? It was boring to look at Harry for 15 seconds. Without the magical music I'd probably fell in sleep.

You don't need to get used to a lovesick Harry

[LindaZhu]

Originally Posted by Noldus

Nothing wrong about the line itself but the delivery was wrong. I blame the director for that. They built up to a big kiss and then we got like nothing And why couldn't they showed Ginny hiding the book and seeing the diadem? It was boring to look at Harry for 15 seconds. Without the magical music I'd probably fell in sleep.

yeah, it would have been so simple for Ginny to just put the book on an abandoned desk or something and for the diadem to be inconspicuously in the shot. this would have saved them a heck of a lot of trouble for DH2 too.

[Noldus]

Originally Posted by LindaZhu

yeah, it would have been so simple for Ginny to just put the book on an abandoned desk or something and for the diadem to be inconspicuously in the shot. this would have saved them a heck of a lot of trouble for DH2 too.

They have a lot of troubles to fix...
All the books are out, I can't see why they can't see it's important (lol, funny line). I'm getting really upset of this They have brains as sheep

[MasterOfDeath]

I love how both Harry and the Half-Blood Prince (Snape) are introduced in a similar fashion: they are reading a paper that obscures their faces. It links the two characters together and is a call-back to the title,' Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince'. The title characters are both introduced in the classical newspaper reveal. I wonder if this was intentional.

I also like how Harry defends Dumbledore to Ron and Hermione (the Dumbledore's age discussion in Ron's bedroom) and in the very next scene, Snape is defending Dumbledore against Bellatrix ("Dumbledore IS a great wizard. Only a fool would question it").

Harry and Snape are Dumbledore's men through and through.

Another editing detail I like is how Spinner's End takes place after we see Dumbledore withered hand. It will make visual sense when audiences look back on HBP after DH2. It shows how Dumbledore's hand is already cursed and his death is planned with Snape before Spinner's End, explaining why Snape was willing to make the vow to kill Dumbledore since it was already arranged.

[LindaZhu]

Originally Posted by Noldus

They have a lot of troubles to fix...
All the books are out, I can't see why they can't see it's important (lol, funny line). I'm getting really upset of this They have brains as sheep

exactly. i'm still wracking my brains about how exactly the Movie!Trio is going to find the Horcruxes, with all the things they left out of HBP.

[boushh]

Originally Posted by MasterOfDeath

I love how both Harry and the Half-Blood Prince (Snape) are introduced in a similar fashion: they are reading a paper that obscures their faces. It links the two characters together and is a call-back to the title,' Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince'. The title characters are both introduced in the classical newspaper reveal. I wonder if this was intentional.

I think it was intentional. It's a great touch, and one of my favorite visual connections in the movie.

I also like how Harry defends Dumbledore to Ron and Hermione (the Dumbledore's age discussion in Ron's bedroom) and in the very next scene, Snape is defending Dumbledore against Bellatrix ("Dumbledore IS a great wizard. Only a fool would question it").

Harry and Snape are Dumbledore's men through and through.

Yeah, those are great to.

Another editing detail I like is how Spinner's End takes place after we see Dumbledore withered hand. It will make visual sense when audiences look back on HBP after DH2. It shows how Dumbledore's hand is already cursed and his death is planned with Snape before Spinner's End, explaining why Snape was willing to make the vow to kill Dumbledore since it was already arranged.

Good point. I hadn't thought of this.

[JoAdams]

^Great great points.


I loved the symbolism during the entire climax.
The Astronomy Tower scene before the Cave hides many beautiful messages. First of all the sky is cloudy yet orange and beautiful. The whole sequence is peaceful and beautiful. It feels like the calm before the storm. Like the final golden moments for Dumbledore. The whole Snape/Dumbledore discussion was brilliant. Amazing cinematography and amazing acting. For us who know what happens in the 7th book everything was obvious. And Rickman and Gambon nailed it. Finally the scene where Harry and Snape lock eyes at the staircases for few seconds and stay completely silent while behind them, there is this large round opening of the tower where the sun sets and an owl is flying. Such a beautiful landscape and it indicates how much Snape wants to tell Harry but cannot. Also the fact that they apparate from the Astronomy Tower which is going to be the place where Dumbledore will die after 15 minutes...that was another great touch.

The whole Cave scene was AMAZING. Standing on the rock in the middle of the sea didn't have just an epic feel that was beyond spectacular but I felt it seemed that the journey is going to be dangerous. And when they enter the Cave I adored the touch with the 'sphere of white light' shedding light into the vast infinite interior of the cave. Everything was dark yes but they could have just used Lumos. It isn't only a great visual effects touch but a really symbolic touch. They shed light into the darkness. They dare 'dive' inside a dark place full of dangers (the Inferi and the poisoned drink) but there's still hope. The cinematography was brilliant. Some shots during the sequence where the sphere was flying over the crystal island were like paintings. The same happens with the boat scenes that may last less than 40-50 seconds but from the time Dumbledore finds the chain to the two of them reaching the island, the shots had this eerie, spooky feel like the 'light' is almost devoured in the darkness and the fear.
A very special and symbolic shot was when the sphere of light falls into the water silently. That was great foreshadowing. Like all hope was lost now. And the Inferi scene begins right after that. Harry creates another sphere of light which flies to the distance like shedding some final beams of light to the utter void. And the firestorm was so epic and it clearly symbolised light. The light winned over darkness. This might all seem 'too much' but I felt like everything was like a poetic approach.
The same happens with the dark aesthetics of the Astronomy Tower. The landscape was brilliant and epic. They could have used some usual dark landscapes of Hogwarts but they improved A LOT. The swirling black, grey and blue colours of the clouds and the shadows, the hidden beams of grey and white light in between the clouds and the soft silver and blue light in the balcony were amazing touches that made this scene epic. Truly. It didn't need mind-blowing thrilling action. It was an emotional, a sad scene full of emotions, character development and plot twists. The wide shots of the Tower with the solar system were epic and 'otherworldy'. Even the close-ups had this brilliant landscape and lighting that made every single shot worthwhile. Snape's appearance was great. The dark landscape behind him, Rickman's excellent acting---Adding to all that, the scene was truly dark. No touches that brought light or hope like the Cave scene. This was downright dark. Even the soft grey-white light hidden behind the clouds showed that now, everything will change completely. The Flight of the Prince carries that feel. The forest is completely dark, the grounds are gritty, the sky and the distant mountains and forests continue having a brown-black-grey-green mixture of colours. The shots of Snape deflecting Harry's spells, Snape ordering Draco to leave, the epic shots of Harry duelling Bella and Snape beneath the towering castle: everything was eerie and beautiful. And it changed dramatically during the farewell scene. The Dark Mark disappears because of the light everyone sheds on the cloud formation. This big change makes sure that there's still hope. When they're all together, they can destroy the darkness despire the losses and the grief they face. That was very touching and humane. The same happens with the Great Hall scene afterwards. It's destroyed but the sun is rising. The scene in Dumbledore's office carries this 'hope' feel because it's a set with more light and colour than previously. And the beautiful scene in the end, atop the Astronomy Tower, oh boy...that was beautiful. A truly painting. Fawkes is flying and the sun is rising. The place where Dumbledore was murdered feels differently now. And the three are looking at the sun like trying to hope that things will change in the future. Even though the scenes have this malancholic and sad feel, they have more light and they're beautiful to watch. And the symbolism of hope and life is obvious.

[Noldus]

Brilliant thoughts, guys
Months ago I read this idea a place: Harry wore the same clothes in the climax as he did when he saw Slughorn's false memory. It symbolizes that the events in the end were far away from the truth.

[JoAdams]

^Brilliant thought. Wow I never realised that.

[PeerlessKid]

Originally Posted by Jezabel

Another thing I noticed in the Room of Requirement is a large harp behind Draco as he's looking up at the cabinet and behind Ginny when she's standing in roughly the same spot. It looks like the same harp that was used in PS to put Fluffy to sleep

Yeah I noticed that too! Ironic how the production design crew seem to be using the Room of Requirement to stash old items as well as the students of Hogwarts...

Originally Posted by Apheka

I've seen HBP three times and I've realised that the scenes with Ron and Hermione where he points out that she has toothpaste on her lip and butterbeer froth goes back to the first film where Hermione points out to Ron the fact he has dirt on his nose. It sort of sets up the turning around of their relationship where Ron is always trailing behind.

I, unlike my friends, actually love all the subtle hints that they've been doing throughout the movies about Ron and Hermione. I know many people find them corny, cheesy or badly done or whatever, but I think it's just so typical of Ron and Hermione's relationship that they'd have these adorable awkward moments all the time.

In the last scene in the tower, Ron is away from the other two because he doesn't remember Hermione holding his hand in the hospital bed and as we don't see them resolve this, it looks like Ron sees Harry and Hermione as being together.

Can you explain that last line please? Do you actually think Ron is sitting away behind them because he resents them two getting together?!
This is why I REALLYYY wished they didn't have Ron sulking at the back in that scene

Originally Posted by JoAdams

^Great great points.


I loved the symbolism during the entire climax.
The Astronomy Tower scene before the Cave hides many beautiful messages. First of all the sky is cloudy yet orange and beautiful. The whole sequence is peaceful and beautiful. It feels like the calm before the storm. Like the final golden moments for Dumbledore. The whole Snape/Dumbledore discussion was brilliant. Amazing cinematography and amazing acting. For us who know what happens in the 7th book everything was obvious. And Rickman and Gambon nailed it. Finally the scene where Harry and Snape lock eyes at the staircases for few seconds and stay completely silent while behind them, there is this large round opening of the tower where the sun sets and an owl is flying. Such a beautiful landscape and it indicates how much Snape wants to tell Harry but cannot. Also the fact that they apparate from the Astronomy Tower which is going to be the place where Dumbledore will die after 15 minutes...that was another great touch.

The whole Cave scene was AMAZING. Standing on the rock in the middle of the sea didn't have just an epic feel that was beyond spectacular but I felt it seemed that the journey is going to be dangerous. And when they enter the Cave I adored the touch with the 'sphere of white light' shedding light into the vast infinite interior of the cave. Everything was dark yes but they could have just used Lumos. It isn't only a great visual effects touch but a really symbolic touch. They shed light into the darkness. They dare 'dive' inside a dark place full of dangers (the Inferi and the poisoned drink) but there's still hope. The cinematography was brilliant. Some shots during the sequence where the sphere was flying over the crystal island were like paintings. The same happens with the boat scenes that may last less than 40-50 seconds but from the time Dumbledore finds the chain to the two of them reaching the island, the shots had this eerie, spooky feel like the 'light' is almost devoured in the darkness and the fear.
A very special and symbolic shot was when the sphere of light falls into the water silently. That was great foreshadowing. Like all hope was lost now. And the Inferi scene begins right after that. Harry creates another sphere of light which flies to the distance like shedding some final beams of light to the utter void. And the firestorm was so epic and it clearly symbolised light. The light winned over darkness. This might all seem 'too much' but I felt like everything was like a poetic approach.
The same happens with the dark aesthetics of the Astronomy Tower. The landscape was brilliant and epic. They could have used some usual dark landscapes of Hogwarts but they improved A LOT. The swirling black, grey and blue colours of the clouds and the shadows, the hidden beams of grey and white light in between the clouds and the soft silver and blue light in the balcony were amazing touches that made this scene epic. Truly. It didn't need mind-blowing thrilling action. It was an emotional, a sad scene full of emotions, character development and plot twists. The wide shots of the Tower with the solar system were epic and 'otherworldy'. Even the close-ups had this brilliant landscape and lighting that made every single shot worthwhile. Snape's appearance was great. The dark landscape behind him, Rickman's excellent acting---Adding to all that, the scene was truly dark. No touches that brought light or hope like the Cave scene. This was downright dark. Even the soft grey-white light hidden behind the clouds showed that now, everything will change completely. The Flight of the Prince carries that feel. The forest is completely dark, the grounds are gritty, the sky and the distant mountains and forests continue having a brown-black-grey-green mixture of colours. The shots of Snape deflecting Harry's spells, Snape ordering Draco to leave, the epic shots of Harry duelling Bella and Snape beneath the towering castle: everything was eerie and beautiful. And it changed dramatically during the farewell scene. The Dark Mark disappears because of the light everyone sheds on the cloud formation. This big change makes sure that there's still hope. When they're all together, they can destroy the darkness despire the losses and the grief they face. That was very touching and humane. The same happens with the Great Hall scene afterwards. It's destroyed but the sun is rising. The scene in Dumbledore's office carries this 'hope' feel because it's a set with more light and colour than previously. And the beautiful scene in the end, atop the Astronomy Tower, oh boy...that was beautiful. A truly painting. Fawkes is flying and the sun is rising. The place where Dumbledore was murdered feels differently now. And the three are looking at the sun like trying to hope that things will change in the future. Even though the scenes have this malancholic and sad feel, they have more light and they're beautiful to watch. And the symbolism of hope and life is obvious.

BRILLIANT POST!
I agree with every word you said.

[Perlidia]

Originally Posted by Apheka

In the last scene in the tower, Ron is away from the other two because he doesn't remember Hermione holding his hand in the hospital bed and as we don't see them resolve this, it looks like Ron sees Harry and Hermione as being together.

I don't think this can be true, as Hermione tells Harry, Ron is at this point fine with Harry and Ginny. I don't like him in the background - there is no sense of the trio - maybe they are trying to preempt Ron's abandonment of the other two. It is way to early for them to start this - Yeats better do his ground work first and make Ron and enthused member of the group at the start!

[Apheka]

Originally Posted by Perlidia

I don't think this can be true, as Hermione tells Harry, Ron is at this point fine with Harry and Ginny. I don't like him in the background - there is no sense of the trio - maybe they are trying to preempt Ron's abandonment of the other two. It is way to early for them to start this - Yeats better do his ground work first and make Ron and enthused member of the group at the start!

For Peerless Kid too. It just seemed very strange that Ron didn't look happy which he would have if he and Hermione had discussed their feelings. I mean talking about Harry and Ginny could have just been a normal coversation. Actually the only way this scene would have made sense is if there had been the battle and Bill had been mauled by Fenrir then Ron would still be in shock. The three of them should have been together, read the note and told Harry they'd be with him with the Phoenix song in the background. I missed the Phoenix song.

I know the Phoenix was making a sound when flying near the tower but I really wanted to hear it as it was described in the book.

[PeerlessKid]

Originally Posted by Apheka

For Peerless Kid too. It just seemed very strange that Ron didn't look happy which he would have if he and Hermione had discussed their feelings. I mean talking about Harry and Ginny could have just been a normal coversation. Actually the only way this scene would have made sense is if there had been the battle and Bill had been mauled by Fenrir then Ron would still be in shock. The three of them should have been together, read the note and told Harry they'd be with him with the Phoenix song in the background. I missed the Phoenix song.

I know the Phoenix was making a sound when flying near the tower but I really wanted to hear it as it was described in the book.

I know the Phoenix was making a sound when flying near the tower but I really wanted to hear it as it was described in the book.

Yeah, everyone seems to be wondering why they had Ron just sulking in the background. Ron looking upset is probably because Dumbledore died.

[Jezabel]

Originally Posted by PeerlessKid

Yeah, everyone seems to be wondering why they had Ron just sulking in the background. Ron looking upset is probably because Dumbledore died.

Yes I suppose that's the reasoning the director had when making this scene but it would have been better and made more sense for Ron to be standing with the other more. Although I guess they all stood together at the very very end as they all looked out the window so that's something.