Way Ahead for Deathly Hallows Movie(s)

[lcbaseball22]

Originally Posted by decarus

They are arguing about how hedwig dies at the end of the thread. One person says that person isn't real because they know he is lying about how hedwig dies.

Then it seems like he contradicts himself by saying first that:


Then he writes at the end:



I can't tell if he is being sarcastic or not at that point. It is the second to last post on the third page.

Yeah, I was just reading the thread myself.

It sounds incredibly silly but it seems to me like he's getting smart with the other person (so yes, sarcastic) but it's posssible they realize the jig is up cause they say they are done and not coming back. BTW, here is more info they revealed...but like be even more wary now-

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dream_silently 6 hours ago edited
Chris,
I told you they do visit Hogsmeade in Part 1. They just don't meet Aberforth. The whole Aberforth story unfolds in Part 2.


They will not show the battle between Dumbledore and Grindelwald, no.
Yes the cafe fight is in the film. Actually you'll like the entire London chase, I think. When the Trio apparates, they start running in the streets. Then they feel they've been watched and try to calm down. We see DEs flying over London downtown and over the streets. The trio hides and changes clothes and as they exit, they recognize a Death Eater they've seen at the Burrow. They walk away quickly and go to the cafe shop where the Death Eaters attack.

Yes Snape's death is going to be graphic. There are no limits in both films.

Wilbo,
the Horcrux story is handled quite well I think. From what I know, Harry and Kreacher corner Mandungus in Diagon Alley/Knockturn Alley and learn that Umbridge has the real locket. Concerning the cup, Bellatrix is the one who asks Hermione if she stole the Gryffindor Sword and the Cup. Harry later realizes that this Cup must be a Horcrux and Hermione tells him that rumor has it, Hufflepuff's cup hasn't been found.This sets the entire story for the Ravenclaw Diadem, as well: Voldemort's interest in the ancient objects of the four founders of Hogwarts. Finally, Harry learns about the unknown Horcrux that's been hidden in Hogwarts and Nagini through Voldemort's mind who panicks when he learns the Locket, the Ring and the Cup have been destroyed. Ron and Hermione don't go with Harry to the Room of Requirement. They go to the Chamber of Secrets and Ginny guides Harry to the Room of Hidden Objects in order to find the tiara.


'Not my daughter, you *****' is in the film. Yes.

Yes there are many scenes where Harry 'reads' Voldemort's mind. These visions start very early in the film (at the Burrow) along with Harry's nightmares (Dumbledore,Snape and Sirius).

HalfBloodKing,

Xeno does discuss the Three Brothers tale and Hermione reads the book throughout all their days camping. The script doesn't have any flashback but there are pictures inside the book. I don't think they'll add any flashback but I can't be 100% sure. Until now, it's not in the script of Part 1.

Yes John Williams will possibly return but they are in negotiations with 2 other composers. But I think they've decided. I think they've said it'll be announced sometime these two forthcoming months.

The battle focuses mostly on wizards, yes. Though, we see spiders and Dementors. There aren't any house-elves and giants in the script but we've worked on giants approaching the castle in the art department. They are reluctant to include them, though. The Centaurs have very short scenes where they're inside the forest and shoot millions of arrows towards the Death Eaters at the end of the climax.
Yes there are some interesting scenes with the Dementors. We'll see Patronuses yes.


Now, I'll be working these weeks and I won't have much time to spend. I'll try to post an artwork sketch of Harry's parents' house or two parts of the script (possibly the Burrow and the Snatchers chase scenes). I've only got the Part 1 script-third draft. But I'm 90% sure they haven't changed almost anything. We've got very few parts of Part 2 (personally I've only got parts of Shell Cottage and Malfoy Manor and Snape's memories) becuase Steve Kloves is still working on parts of it.


Filming wraps in May.


I'll be gone for few days but I'll come back.
Bye.

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dream_silently 5 hours ago
Almost all scenes with Dumbledore and Snape are in the film. They've cut most scenes with Petunia/Lily/Snape. The memories have a different structure in the film. It will work better cinematically.

The Ravenclaw plot is changed. Much changed. No we don't see Bloody Baron. This is one of the parts of the script that seems to change every time. Right now, the Grey Lady is not in the film. Harry learns that Voldemort's hidden the final Horcrux in Hogwarts, Hermione and Luna tell him about the Diadem being Ravenclaw's ancient object and Ginny remembers having hidden the HBP book next to something that seemed like a diadem. Ginny and Harry go to check, Draco,Goyle and Blaise attack, Harry realises this IS the Diadem and the Fiendfyre scene occurs.

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dream_silently 2 hours ago
Hedwig's death is quick and shocking. There is so much chaos that there is no moment to let Harry grieve.
At the Burrow, though, he is very silent at one point where they briefly try to discuss Hedwig.
I think that's all.
It'll feel bad because this is an owl, an animal. And the audience knows that Harry Potter is the guy with the glasses, the scar, the broomstick and the owl. So it's shocking. But it doesn't last. The focus is Moody's death, George's injury and Voldemort's future plans.
In my opinion, the Burrow scenes are some of the best in DH.
I also forgot to mention that-do you remember in 'Prince' where the DEs tried to test Hogwarts defences hitting the protective sphere? The same thing happens again at the Burrow. One night, as Harry's still awake examining the Snitch, he hears distant sounds and takes his wand and sees few DEs trying to penetrate the Burrow grounds by testing its protection 'bubble'. And Harry sees few Death Eaters inside the reeds. It'll feel like they are all gathered at the house and few yards away, the Death Eaters are waiting for them.


Juno,
Maggie Smith doesn't have LOTS of scenes but she's got more screentime than in the book. And I mean that we see her at Hogwarts in Part 1, while we didn't in the book. She has began shooting scenes and she'll keep shooting until April/May.

About Hogwarts scenes in Part 1:
we don't see many scenes. Actually, in total, they will last less than 15 minutes altogether.
In the beginning there is this entire invasion of Death Eaters and Dementors, where Snape is watching from the Astronomy Tower and McGonagall,Slughorn,Flitwick,Sprout etc. watch from the Great Hall and courtyard.
Then we see Hogwarts Express going to Hogwarts with Death Eaters patrolling the train and the 'new' Trio talking in a compartment.
Then there are short scenes when they reach the Gates and the Death Eaters take the students away. The DEs are on the walls and grounds of Hogwarts. We have Snape's speech and then, if I remember correctly, the new Trio attempts to steal the Gryffindor Sword and Snape captures them. We also see Hagrid being attacked from DEs and fleeing to the woods and the new D.A. hiding in the new Room of Requirement. McGonagall has an argument with Snape,too and we also see a short montage of all teachers being controlled by DEs (a scene where Slughorn is followed by Death Eaters). That's pretty much everything. I forgot to mention the little glimpses of Draco, who is still very gloomy, lonely and sad. They keep his dark, silent and afraid profile in both DH parts. They are thinking of adding a few more, but they started shooting all this stuff in September so they may or they may not.

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dream_silently 2 hours ago
Yes Draco is at Hogwarts.

Luna is at Malfoy Manor and, before that, we learn from Xeno that she's been trapped.


Bereski,

well they haven't changed something THAT much to make fans angry. I think that they have edited large parts of Snape's memories and they've also reduced the Dursleys scene to very few minutes. They have also cut major parts of the Trio's stay in the House of Black and that's all I think.
The other changes are many but small.

Completely big and important scene?
The Hogsmeade visit in Part 1 and the Knockturn Alley chase are new and important scenes,in my opinion. There are all these new scenes at Hogwarts, few skirmishes and fight scenes throughout the Trio's running into the wild and that's all.

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dream_silently 2 hours ago
McGonagall has more screentime in Part 2 and I think she is featured as much as she was in Philosopher's Stone-which has the most of her.
There is indeed a confrontation with Snape yes. It's much different though. There are no daggers or armours. It's mostly spells and the use of the four elements- reminds a bit of the Dumbledore/Voldemort duel in 'Phoenix' but it's not as extravagant. Still, it will be very impressive.

[phoenix88]

Originally Posted by lcbaseball22

Yeah, and Malfoy Manor sounds like...WOW



If all this stuff is true I don't think anyone will be able to complain about a "lack of action" If you notice all these battles (some that weren't even in the book) they are really amping it up! Well, I'm not complaining. Makes up for lack of battle in OotP and the omission from HBP. But really, isn't there going to be enough with just the Battle of Hogwarts? That sounds like it's gonna really epic/awesome...

WOW!!! That all sounds so amazing. I am not sure they really needed to spice up the action at malfoy manor. I thought it was fine just the way it was written, especially since it centered on Dobby. I am not sure it needs multiple skirmishes in different parts of the manor.

The one area that I do hope they embellish on is harry's final confrontation with voldemort. I hope we get more dueling like in GOF and then expelliarmus.

[MasterOfDeath]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic!

[spoiler]The first part sounds like what I expected, if a little more. Hedwig's death gets just as much closure as it does in the novel. I suspect it's going to be heart-wrenching to see that iconic beautiful white owl die. {/SPOILER]

[decarus]

PS. A person on imdb who is from the UK got his copy of the dvd and this is what he said about it:

Have got Half Blood Prince on bluray through the post today too from play.com. I live in the UK. Have seen Deathly Hallows sneak peek in sparkling HD now and it looks brilliant. Has an introduction from David Heyman and director David Yates and a bit of the filming of what I can only assume is Harry and Hermione's little dance in the tent after Ron has left.

This is the first time someone has mentioned a scene with Harry and Hermione dancing in the tent on the blu-ray. The news is a little wild the last 24 hours.

[lcbaseball22]

Originally Posted by MasterOfDeath

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic!

Yeah, well imagine...I would be so ticked if I actually worked for the films and someone accused me of being a fake. Well, I guess we'll just have to wait 'til more is released and then compare to what's been said. Like with those script leaks, we could validate them before too long. Hmm, I wonder when some DH script might be leaked. Phoenix123 is still around, but I don't think he's posted on IMDB in a while.

[decarus]

I know. I don't particularly understand why people call him a liar and a fake. Just keep asking him questions and if he is lying eventually he will contradict himself or something will be off compared to what we know. The question i want to know is does that mean all the information before he made comments about hedwig was correct and that was the first contradiction?

If so, we still got a lot of new information. You are right though, we are just going to have to wait and see.

[JoAdams]

He/She was being sarcastic. Hahahaha

Actually, he/she seems like a very clever person. He/She was obviosly 'playing' with this Emmafan in a very smart way. I wonder if Emmafan really knows something else about the films.


But he/she seems legit. I mean, come on this IMDb user confirmed the dance happens in the tent, we saw Harry and Hermione not being polyjuiced in Godric's Hollow...oh he/she said that Oliver Wood returns in DH. Could we search that and find out if this is true? Because I don't know anything about it.


How could Hedwig die if not during the 7 Potters scene?
Maybe she dies differently but they didn't make any comment on the way she dies. They just said: she dies, it's shocking and sudden, that's it. I wonder why Emmafan makes such a fuss about it.

Who knows huh? Maybe he's legit maybe not.

[lcbaseball22]

Originally Posted by decarus

I know. I don't particularly understand why people call him a liar and a fake. Just keep asking him questions and if he is lying eventually he will contradict himself or something will be off compared to what we know. The question i want to know is does that mean all the information before he made comments about hedwig was correct and that was the first contradiction?

If so, we still got a lot of new information. You are right though, we are just going to have to wait and see.

I don't know. Maybe this person really does just have an overactive imagination, too much time on their hands, and derives some sort of sick pleasure from this Then again, it could just be a mis-understanding. This is what they said, and yeah we'll know soon enough...

I hope that, while you see new glimpses, you'll realise that what I've said is true.

Still, if it's all true I found the following most intriguing-

• John Williams indeed might return, but they are in negotiations with 2 other composers. I wonder who else?
  
• Emma and Rupert are not part of the RoR sequence. It's Harry and Ginny?! Well, this fits with what's been speculated about the Diadem...
  
• All the returning characters, including as said above...Oliver Wood! I dunno why, but I really like his character
  
• Snape's death will indeed be graphic and they aren't imposing limits for either film
  
• "Not my daughter you *****!" is in, but I didn't expect otherwise
  
• Possibly no Giants. Just Acromantula and Dementors...and Centaurs briefly
  
• The choice of scenes added at Hogwarts...what about the tortures?
  
• McGonnagals duel with Snape is a bit reminiscent of DD vs. Voldy and mainly uses "the 4 elements"

[ThaiHPFan]

Well he/she does seem far more genuine than Scoop. He also specifically reveals some pretty bold changes to the plot and new scenes, which I expect an actual film to have.

But who knows, some fake spoiler people spend a huge amount of effort in doing their jobs. I mean Scoop actually made a photoshopped Narcissa pic to give him more credibility...

[lcbaseball22]

Originally Posted by ThaiHPFan

Well he/she does seem far more genuine than Scoop. He also specifically reveals some pretty bold changes to the plot and new scenes, which I expect an actual film to have.

But who knows, some fake spoiler people spend a huge amount of effort in doing their jobs. I mean Scoop actually made a photoshopped Narcissa pic to give him more credibility...

True, and I can't believe it took us so long to figure out it was Claire Danes from Stardust! You know, if I'm not mistaken some of the HP fan sites (ie: Mugglenet, but that's not unusual, they are often in the clouds ) STILL have that in their galleries as an image from HBP

Admittedly this person's last few posts about how they were going to post proof but not now and they aren't returning and all seem fishy and like they've been given a way out and have taken it...but I can understand the reaction if their crediblity has been falsely questioned...

[ThaiHPFan]

Originally Posted by lcbaseball22

Admittedly this person's last few posts about how they were going to post proof but not now and they aren't returning and all seem fishy and like they've been given a way out and have taken it...but I could understand the frustration if their crediblity has been falsely scrutinized.

Actually, that's exactly the way Scoop reacted when someone found contradictions in his posts.

Anyway, it's still an enjoyable read. Won't be surprised if these turn out to be true.

[lcbaseball22]

Originally Posted by ThaiHPFan

Actually, that's exactly the way Scoop reacted when someone found contradictions in his posts.

Oh no...it's Scoop2.0- the improved, more informed, more deviant version! Although, the Scoop thing went on for weeks...or was it months before we discovered the truth? But then, really he didn't say anything about radical changes like this guy. Like you said, a lot of this has been bold statements. If they are fake, they are also seemingly someone who's read the books and is very up to date with film info.

anyway, it's still an enjoyable read. Won't be surprised if these turn out to be true.

Yep

[MasterOfDeath]

As far as I remember, most of Scoop's reports would describe scenes as matching the book down to the same EXACT dialog in the novel, which is very rare for the films to do.

[lcbaseball22]

Originally Posted by MasterOfDeath

As far as I remember, most of Scoop's reports would describe scenes as matching the book down to the same EXACT dialog in the novel, which is very rare for the films to do.

Yeah, like everything he said was basically info that would please "purists"...whereas I think a lot of the DH info would be otherwise...

[KingsCross]

The guy on IMDb refers to the epilogue finishing with the Hogwarts Express arriving at the school at sunset. Filming with the train did take place during September (I was there) but the shoot only lasted a day and a half and comprised of five runs. Because of the weather, they only managed to film on three or four of those. The location was Rannoch Moor (where they did that cool flying shot for HBP in 2007) and I was told by one of the studio chaps that they were filming exteriors for a scene with Neville, Luna and Ginny on the train. There were none of the actors present and the train was filled with local children from Fort William. The part they did the next morning featured a Deatheater suspended from a crane according to the guy I was speaking to, though I was unable to go back for that. There were various tape markings on the windows, which I was told were datums for post production CGI.

I would expect them to be shooting nearer Glenfinnan or Loch Eilt if the train is supposed to be arriving at Hogwarts - Glenfinnan Viaduct is the large arched viaduct seen in PS, CoS, PoA and GoF. I'm not aware of them filming at Kings Cross yet, assuming they will be using the actual location, so presumably there is more train stuff to be shot. That could tie in with the IMDb guy mentioning that they are returning to Scotland in the Spring.

Sorry for bleating on about the Hogwarts Express stuff, but it's the only bit of the production that I know anything concrete about!

[boushh]

Just in case this guy is legit I'll use spoiler tags.

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I think it would be interesting to see a bit of what is going on at Hogwarts or when Ron goes off on his own. It would make things a bit different than the previous films, which largely stayed within Harry's POV. There were exceptions of course, most notably the GoF scene between DD, McGonagall and Snape. I would like to see the DA members, the professors, and Snape at Hogwarts. It would remind the audience that yes they are still a part of the story.

I like how the person said they were dealing with the Fiendfyre/RR scenes, and how Ginny is involved. It would give her something to do. I had expected they would use her to find the diadem, but I hadn't considered that she and Harry would be in the RR and both attacked by Crabbe, Goyle, Draco.

Snape's memories and his part in general. It sounds good, even if they did change the location of his death. It sounds like it will possibly be at the Astronomy tower, which is kind of cool, especially if Harry watches from below like he does in HBP. Nice parallel there and a clue to Snape's true allegiance. I think his memories sound OK too. Sounds like they kept the bulk of DD and Snape, and maybe added a bit to support the Snape/Lily portion even if they cut out a lot of Lily from the memories. If they kept a few of her it should be OK. Adding one when they are adults is a little weird, but it might be good to bridge the younger actors with the older actors... especially since the age difference is much greater than it is in the books.

IMHO, his story needs to have an emotional punch and if it doesn't then something went wrong. According to this guy it will be emotional... if he is to be believed.

[ThaiHPFan]

Originally Posted by KingsCross

The guy on IMDb refers to the epilogue finishing with the Hogwarts Express arriving at the school at sunset. Filming with the train did take place during September (I was there) but the shoot only lasted a day and a half and comprised of five runs. Because of the weather, they only managed to film on three or four of those. The location was Rannoch Moor (where they did that cool flying shot for HBP in 2007) and I was told by one of the studio chaps that they were filming exteriors for a scene with Neville, Luna and Ginny on the train. There were none of the actors present and the train was filled with local children from Fort William. The part they did the next morning featured a Deatheater suspended from a crane according to the guy I was speaking to, though I was unable to go back for that. There were various tape markings on the windows, which I was told were datums for post production CGI.

I would expect them to be shooting nearer Glenfinnan or Loch Eilt if the train is supposed to be arriving at Hogwarts - Glenfinnan Viaduct is the large arched viaduct seen in PS, CoS, PoA and GoF. I'm not aware of them filming at Kings Cross yet, assuming they will be using the actual location, so presumably there is more train stuff to be shot. That could tie in with the IMDb guy mentioning that they are returning to Scotland in the Spring.

Sorry for bleating on about the Hogwarts Express stuff, but it's the only bit of the production that I know anything concrete about!

We have no idea what the train shot at the end (if there really is one) will be like. It may even be an overhead brief shot that will require only CGI and no actual train filming (before the camera pans to Hogwarts).

I do love the idea of ending the film with a Hogwarts shot though.With good cinematography and music, it could be an amazing ending.

I'm also OK with the R/Hr kiss possibly happening in the Chamber of Secrets. I suspect that they must be trying pretty hard to avoid imitating the Will/Elizabeth kiss from PotC 3 (which looks really similar to the book description of R/Hr kiss).

[MasterOfDeath]

Originally Posted by boushh

Just in case this guy is legit I'll use spoiler tags.

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I think it would be interesting to see a bit of what is going on at Hogwarts or when Ron goes off on his own. It would make things a bit different than the previous films, which largely stayed within Harry's POV. There were exceptions of course, most notably the GoF scene between DD, McGonagall and Snape. I would like to see the DA members, the professors, and Snape at Hogwarts. It would remind the audience that yes they are still a part of the story.

I like how the person said they were dealing with the Fiendfyre/RR scenes, and how Ginny is involved. It would give her something to do. I had expected they would use her to find the diadem, but I hadn't considered that she and Harry would be in the RR and both attacked by Crabbe, Goyle, Draco.

Snape's memories and his part in general. It sounds good, even if they did change the location of his death. It sounds like it will possibly be at the Astronomy tower, which is kind of cool, especially if Harry watches from below like he does in HBP. Nice parallel there and a clue to Snape's true allegiance. I think his memories sound OK too. Sounds like they kept the bulk of DD and Snape, and maybe added a bit to support the Snape/Lily portion even if they cut out a lot of Lily from the memories. If they kept a few of her it should be OK. Adding one when they are adults is a little weird, but it might be good to bridge the younger actors with the older actors... especially since the age difference is much greater than it is in the books.

IMHO, his story needs to have an emotional punch and if it doesn't then something went wrong. According to this guy it will be emotional... if he is to be believed.

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Good idea about the possible new location for Snape's death but how could Voldemort be up on the tower if the whole point of the battle is to keep the death eaters and Voldemort out while Harry looks for the horcrux? That would defeat the whole purpose if Voldemort and Snape could so casually appear in the castle...

[ThaiHPFan]

Originally Posted by MasterOfDeath

Good idea about the possible new location for Snape's death but how could Voldemort be up on the tower if the whole point of the battle is to keep the death eaters and Voldemort out while Harry looks for the horcrux? That would defeat the whole purpose if Voldemort and Snape could so casually appear in the castle...

Probably Voldemort managed to penetrate the castle at the last moment, but decided to order a ceasefire and retreat to give Harry a chance to come to him instead? (thus reducing the risk & trouble of searching for Harry through the castle)

I could imagine Voldemort flying to the tower after all the protections are destroyed and meeting Snape there. He expreeses his concern about actually confronting Harry like in the book, then kills Snape and makes an announcement that he can take over the school at any time but he would give Harry an opportunity to come and meet him in the forest. Something like that.

[boushh]

Originally Posted by MasterOfDeath

Good idea about the possible new location for Snape's death but how could Voldemort be up on the tower if the whole point of the battle is to keep the death eaters and Voldemort out while Harry looks for the horcrux? That would defeat the whole purpose if Voldemort and Snape could so casually appear in the castle...

I know. I was thinking the same thing last night, but that's what I was gathering from what he was posting about the Astronomy tower set and Snape up at that set in Part I. Not sure where else would be interesting enough for the guy to be saying it is a good choice... unless maybe the office? Nah. That would be weird. Dunno.