PoA Film Discussion v3

[StarryVeil]

Originally Posted by Sariele

Anyway, I was looking through the special features on the PoA blu-ray this afternoon, specifically the interview/discussion thingy between JKR and AC. In it, and I remember this from the last time I watched the dvd version ages ago, JKR mentions getting goosebumps while watching PoA, as Alfonso and/or Steve had inadvertently foreshadowed things that were going to happen in the "last two books". She even said that when fans went back and re-watched PoA after finishing reading the series, they'd think these things were put in on purpose, even though they were actually just happy accidents.

My question is, has anyone here actually managed to pick out these things that she's referring to? Because I watched PoA a few weeks ago and don't recall anything in particular, however I didn't know to look out for it. Plus it doesn't help that, unlike the rest of the books, I've only read HBP two or three times and DH only once, so there's probably a lot of things that happen in them that I can't recall.

I never understood that definitively either, but I think one such happy accident was the scene when they all come out of the Shrieking Shack and Lupin transforms. In the book, Snape is still knocked out when that happens. In the movie, for some reason, they made Snape come back to his senses and throw his arms out in front of the Trio in a gesture of protection. Perhaps this act of Snape protecting Harry was something JKR felt strayed too close to her future plans of revealing Snape's loyalty.

[Goddess_Clio]

Originally Posted by Sariele

Anyway, I was looking through the special features on the PoA blu-ray this afternoon, specifically the interview/discussion thingy between JKR and AC. In it, and I remember this from the last time I watched the dvd version ages ago, JKR mentions getting goosebumps while watching PoA, as Alfonso and/or Steve had inadvertently foreshadowed things that were going to happen in the "last two books". She even said that when fans went back and re-watched PoA after finishing reading the series, they'd think these things were put in on purpose, even though they were actually just happy accidents.

My question is, has anyone here actually managed to pick out these things that she's referring to? Because I watched PoA a few weeks ago and don't recall anything in particular, however I didn't know to look out for it. Plus it doesn't help that, unlike the rest of the books, I've only read HBP two or three times and DH only once, so there's probably a lot of things that happen in them that I can't recall.

If there's some long-forgotten thread discussing this very topic, please feel free to point me in the right direction. Otherwise, I'd love to hear what you think.

Hmm... the only inadvertant foreshadowing I can think of is Ron and Hermione but I suppose that was intentional since GOF the book had been released before the movie - the only reason it was a surprise to me was because I didn't read the HP series until after I saw POA the film.

Perhaps I should rewatch POA...

[DeathlyH]

Originally Posted by Sariele

My question is, has anyone here actually managed to pick out these things that she's referring to? Because I watched PoA a few weeks ago and don't recall anything in particular, however I didn't know to look out for it. Plus it doesn't help that, unlike the rest of the books, I've only read HBP two or three times and DH only once, so there's probably a lot of things that happen in them that I can't recall.

If there's some long-forgotten thread discussing this very topic, please feel free to point me in the right direction. Otherwise, I'd love to hear what you think.

I remember seeing this on the DVD as well, so the last time I watched PoA I looked for clues as to what these moments may be.

The one thing that really stood out to me was Lupin's line to Harry on the bridge, which goes something like: "(Lily) had the ability to see the good in someone, even when they could not see it in themselves." This is obviously meant to refer to Lupin and his furry little problem, but I think it's possible that JKR thought of Lily and Snape (in DH) when she heard it.

[snapes_witch]

Snape using non-verbal magic when he entered the DADA classroom is foreshadowing, but I don't know whether that's what she meant. His more obvious protection of the trio from the werewolf seems very likely to me.

She was probably referring to Ron and Hermione, too.

The was a lot of discussion here that Lupin's remark referred to Lily being his friend, but that didn't materialize in the later books. I don't see it meaning Lily and Sev either because I don't feel he thought he didn't deserve her friendship.

[Hermione4788]

Originally Posted by Sariele

I was looking through the special features on the PoA blu-ray this afternoon, specifically the interview/discussion thingy between JKR and AC. In it, and I remember this from the last time I watched the dvd version ages ago, JKR mentions getting goosebumps while watching PoA, as Alfonso and/or Steve had inadvertently foreshadowed things that were going to happen in the "last two books". She even said that when fans went back and re-watched PoA after finishing reading the series, they'd think these things were put in on purpose, even though they were actually just happy accidents.

My question is, has anyone here actually managed to pick out these things that she's referring to? Because I watched PoA a few weeks ago and don't recall anything in particular, however I didn't know to look out for it. Plus it doesn't help that, unlike the rest of the books, I've only read HBP two or three times and DH only once, so there's probably a lot of things that happen in them that I can't recall.

What about the memory Harry chooses to conjure his Patronus? I can't remember the situation exactly, but Lupin is talking to Harry after the lesson, and the conversation turns to James. Harry says something about "I was thinking of him. And Mum. They were talking to me, just talking. I don't even know if it's real... But it's the happiest I've ever felt."

That sounds a LOT like the scene in DH where Harry uses the Resurrection Stone, doesn't it?

Another one: when Harry's in the hospital wing after falling off his Nimbus, somebody (I believe Ron?) says Harry doesn't look very good (or something to that effect), to which either Fred or George replies, "Yeah, well, he fell over a hundred feet. Let's knock you off the Astronomy Tower and see how you look."

Could be foreshadowing of Dumbledore's death?

Snape protecting the kids, and Lupin saying that Lily had a knack for seeing the good in people, could fit too. I personally doubt it was the Ron/Hermione thing; that'd been foreshadowed in the books and the previous movies as well, so it wasn't something that was included specifically in PoA.

[MerryLore]

I think JKR was referring to one specific line from the film.

Harry stops Sirius and Lupin in the shrieking shack from killing Pettigrew because "I don't think my dad would want his two best friends to become killers."

I think JKR was reminded of the upcoming plot of James stopping his two best friends from becoming killers, when Sirius as a student at Hogwarts sent Snape to be killed by werewolf Lupin, and James intervened.

[Sariele]

Wow, thanks for all your responses. I agree that the bit involving Snape is very likely one thing she was referring to (i.e. him protecting Harry), and also the dialogue concerning Lily seeing the good in people.

Hermione4788 - I also love what you said re: falling from the Astronomy tower... although I personally wouldn't class it as foreshadowing, I'll bet JK would have had a secret smile to herself over that line!

Any other bits that may have been foreshadowing HBP? She did say "the last two books", after all.

I agree that it probably wouldn't include the R/Hr stuff because we already knew about that before the PoA movie came out (yes, even as a H/Hr shipper I still grudgingly admitted that, lol).

[MerryLore]

Originally Posted by Sariele

I agree that the bit involving Snape is very likely one thing she was referring to (i.e. him protecting Harry),

Snape was protecting Harry in the first book, when Quirrellmort tried to knock Harry off his broom in Quiddich and Snape performed the counter jinx.

Originally Posted by Sariele

and also the dialogue concerning Lily seeing the good in people.

This wasn't in the books - only the movies.


This is what i think JKR was referring to:

foreshadowing in Movie:

Sirius and Lupin - killing Pettigrew - in the Shrieking Shack - stopped by Harry because "I don't think my dad would want his two best friends to become killers."

Book scene:

Sirius and Lupin - killing Snape - in the Shrieking Shack - stopped by James because he didn't want his two best friends to become killers.

[StarryVeil]

Originally Posted by MerryLore

Snape was protecting Harry in the first book, when Quirrellmort tried to knock Harry off his broom in Quiddich and Snape performed the counter jinx.

Yeah, but an explanation for that was already given by Dumbledore to Harry (about Snape feeling indebted to James for saving his life). The audience has no reason to believe he would continue protecting Harry even afterwards as payment to James.

This is what i think JKR was referring to:

foreshadowing in Movie:

Sirius and Lupin - killing Pettigrew - in the Shrieking Shack - stopped by Harry because "I don't think my dad would want his two best friends to become killers."

Book scene:

Sirius and Lupin - killing Snape - in the Shrieking Shack - stopped by James because he didn't want his two best friends to become killers.

The werewolf prank was already covered fully in PoA (the book) which was already out before PoA (the movie) came out. So she couldn't have been referring to this.

[MerryLore]

Originally Posted by StarryVeil

The werewolf prank was already covered fully in PoA (the book) which was already out before PoA (the movie) came out. So she couldn't have been referring to this.

You're right - the werewolf prank was explained in book PoA. I stand corrected.

Then my wild guess goes for Snape protecting Harry

[Charlotte_Snape]

Originally Posted by MerryLore

Then my wild guess goes for Snape protecting Harry

I like that one too But my favorite foreshadowing would be the Astronomy Tower thing

[HP4567fan]

The only reason why i gave it only 1 star was because i certainly didn't think it was so good. I thought it was terrible. If there was a 0 stars choice i woulda chosen that instead.

[ajna]

Snape protecting Harry. Albus and his goat; allusions, however vague to Harry's parents.

[Night_Sarabande]

The whole affair with Buckbeak is something I could have done without. I found it to be extremely dull. It seemed like that was the only thing the film was about. Maybe that's just me, though.

That having been said, I did enjoy the boggart class. Professor Snape in a dress was too hilarious.

[merrymarge]

I liked Buckbeak. And the trio researching ways to keep him alive. Otherwise, how would Harry and Hermione help Sirius to escape? Buckbeak did come back in the fifth book and in HBP and DH.

[ajna]

Buckbeak not only returns, he has a purpose. He is another example of the magical world and it's creatures. It just rounds out the story. We have pixie and pygmy puffs and thestrals. Buckbeak is just an example. Plus it's cool for a 13 year old boy to ride on! He is instrumental in helping them escape Lupin the Werewolf and to helping Sirius escape. Without Buckbeak, I don't think the kids had another plan of escape for Sirius.

[Pensieve_Seeker]

Originally Posted by Sariele

Wow, I just logged in here for the first time since May 21st 2005! From memory, I think I left because the old "shipper wars" were getting me all angry and frustrated, so I sought solace at a H/Hr forum that no longer exists unfortunately.

Anyway, I was looking through the special features on the PoA blu-ray this afternoon, specifically the interview/discussion thingy between JKR and AC. In it, and I remember this from the last time I watched the dvd version ages ago, JKR mentions getting goosebumps while watching PoA, as Alfonso and/or Steve had inadvertently foreshadowed things that were going to happen in the "last two books". She even said that when fans went back and re-watched PoA after finishing reading the series, they'd think these things were put in on purpose, even though they were actually just happy accidents.

My question is, has anyone here actually managed to pick out these things that she's referring to? Because I watched PoA a few weeks ago and don't recall anything in particular, however I didn't know to look out for it. Plus it doesn't help that, unlike the rest of the books, I've only read HBP two or three times and DH only once, so there's probably a lot of things that happen in them that I can't recall.

If there's some long-forgotten thread discussing this very topic, please feel free to point me in the right direction. Otherwise, I'd love to hear what you think.

One moment that really sticks out in my mind is when Harry is down by the lake trying to fend off the dementors from him and Sirius. At one point, Harry is attacked by two dementors with one trying to suck out one soul and the other one trying to suck out another. Two souls.

[EXPELIAMUS]

In my opinion the hints would have to be something that Cuaron added in the movies that weren't in the book.

1. Harry using Lumos Maxima in dark areas, which he later did in HBP in the cave.
2. Hermione and Ron holding hands in the first buckbeak scene, which they later did in both HBP and DH.

[merrymarge]

What about the Marauder's map? Harry uses the map in POA to watch for teachers when he is getting ready to go to Honey Dukes. In DH, didn't Harry spend time looking at the map watching for Ginny's dot so he could imagine what she was doing at Hogwarts? Or was that just in the book? And the Marauder's map wasn't able to show Harry where Draco went whenever he was in the ROR. I thought in HBP Harry would check the map occassionally. Of course, that could have been just in the books.

[Pensieve_Seeker]

Originally Posted by EXPELIAMUS

In my opinion the hints would have to be something that Cuaron added in the movies that weren't in the book.

1. Harry using Lumos Maxima in dark areas, which he later did in HBP in the cave.
2. Hermione and Ron holding hands in the first buckbeak scene, which they later did in both HBP and DH.

But would something like that have given her goosebumps?

Originally Posted by merrymarge

What about the Marauder's map? Harry uses the map in POA to watch for teachers when he is getting ready to go to Honey Dukes. In DH, didn't Harry spend time looking at the map watching for Ginny's dot so he could imagine what she was doing at Hogwarts? Or was that just in the book? And the Marauder's map wasn't able to show Harry where Draco went whenever he was in the ROR. I thought in HBP Harry would check the map occassionally. Of course, that could have been just in the books.

Why would JKR get goosebumps seeing Harry use the Marauders' map when watching PoA since it's in the book?