The Alcemist: The Secrets of the Immortal Nicholas Flamel

[Mugglewizard]

Oh wow. I NEED to get this book. Its not available here in Kenya at least at the shops I went to.

[HMN]

One quick question - who is the Enchantress?

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Is it Sophie? Tsagaglalal? Or Virginia Dare

? I can't decide... It sort of works for all 3.

[Spacecadet]

Originally Posted by HMN

One quick question - who is the Enchantress?

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Is it Sophie? Tsagaglalal? Or Virginia Dare

? I can't decide... It sort of works for all 3.

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I agree it kinda does work for all three but he hasn't confirmed who it is yet. Although he did say on fb that its not dare. and while they all may be enchantresses I think THE Enchantress title character is probably Sophie seeing as josh already got a book and the cover is so silvery. But that's just speculation on my part.

[HMN]

Originally Posted by Spacecadet

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I agree it kinda does work for all three but he hasn't confirmed who it is yet. Although he did say on fb that its not dare. and while they all may be enchantresses I think THE Enchantress title character is probably Sophie seeing as josh already got a book and the cover is so silvery. But that's just speculation on my part.

Yes, the silver cover should be the clue, right? Don't know HOW I missed that.

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I have a question about Nicholas and Perenelle - it seems to me that Josh brings them back to France to die, yet they stay around enough to watch Niten and Aiofe get married. Does Josh extend their lives? What is the time frame for all of this to happen?

[Spacecadet]

Originally Posted by HMN

Yes, the silver cover should be the clue, right? Don't know HOW I missed that.

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I have a question about Nicholas and Perenelle - it seems to me that Josh brings them back to France to die, yet they stay around enough to watch Niten and Aiofe get married. Does Josh extend their lives? What is the time frame for all of this to happen?

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Oh hmmm i didnt read it like that at all i thought it was just josh that went to the wedding and the flamels died prior to that

[crookshanks1177]

What a great ending. Loved it! Sad that this is the end though.

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I really like how the original anagonists of the series evolved into the heroes and heroines. I loved loved loved Virginia Dare. I really enjoyed Machiavelli's and Billy the Kid's relationship also. Scott did a great job tying all this up. Again, sad to see it end though.

[Spacecadet]

Originally Posted by crookshanks1177

What a great ending. Loved it! Sad that this is the end though.

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I really like how the original anagonists of the series evolved into the heroes and heroines. I loved loved loved Virginia Dare. I really enjoyed Machiavelli's and Billy the Kid's relationship also. Scott did a great job tying all this up. Again, sad to see it end though.

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100% agree! Dare is probably my favorite character in the series, i was so glad to see her get a much larger role in the final book! She is such a fun character!

[Mugglewizard]

Finally got the book. I started reading it despite having exams.

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Done with around 3/4 of the book. I cant believe there are so many deaths in the book. I didn't expect this many characters to die.

But I am loving how all the immortal humans are finally fighting against the elders. Whatever their alleigances may have been in the previous 5 books. which reminds me. I dont remember Machiavelli's master. Has that been revealed already?

[Spacecadet]

Originally Posted by Mugglewizard

Finally got the book. I started reading it despite having exams.

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Done with around 3/4 of the book. I cant believe there are so many deaths in the book. I didn't expect this many characters to die.

But I am loving how all the immortal humans are finally fighting against the elders. Whatever their alleigances may have been in the previous 5 books. which reminds me. I dont remember Machiavelli's master. Has that been revealed already?

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Yes i believe it was mentioned in the necromancer or possibly the warlock but machiavelli's elder is Aten

There's a great list of the characters and places up through about the necromancer http://www.flamels-immortal-portal.com/codex/

[Mugglewizard]

Wow. I finished it.

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OK so Isis and Osirus were Earth Lords and were wiped out by Humans? So does this mean Humans used to exist and then they were somehow turned to clay. Or am I getting this wrong.
So if Machiavellis master was Aten why was he with the dark elders? Wasnt Aten a champion for the Humani?

[HMN]

Originally Posted by Mugglewizard

So if Machiavellis master was Aten why was he with the dark elders? Wasnt Aten a champion for the Humani?

Interesting. I'd have to read much of the series again to see if Aten was being manipulated by Dee's unknown elders. Or perhaps Maryethu had a part in it. It seemed that Dee was sometimes communicating with Maryethu and sometimes his elders, right? But to be sure, Machiavelli decided in the end to do the right thing and to fight with Billy the Kid and prevent destruction.

By the way, I love that the twins last name is Newman. New man. Very clever.

And while I'm posting, in the first book it seems that either the twins parents have no idea that Dee is hunting them down to eliminate them, or they really think things will be fine. But it seems to me that they don't know they're awakened until the second book when they call Aunt Agnes to check in. But maybe I'm missing something...

[Mugglewizard]

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Ok the twins' parents manipulating the whole awakening process seemed to have been forced.

[crookshanks1177]

Originally Posted by Mugglewizard

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Ok the twins' parents manipulating the whole awakening process seemed to have been forced.

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I have to admit I was a bit irritated when we find out they're not actually twins.

[HMN]

Originally Posted by crookshanks1177

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I have to admit I was a bit irritated when we find out they're not actually twins.

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Yeah, esp re-reading the first when it is implied that they can sense what each other is feeling. I guess they have known each other for a LONG time, but still...

But it does help with the irrational jealousy Josh feels all the time, I think. If they were truly twins, then I feel like the would have been more supportive of each other. Sibling rivalry is one thing, but this seemed to go way beyond that.

Also on the re-read, it seems like Hekate should have been able to sense or know that Josh was really older, or maybe she really doesn't know who they are. And that brings me to a minor irritation - if Josh was really older, why would the parents tell Sophie she was older?

[Spacecadet]

Originally Posted by HMN

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Also on the re-read, it seems like Hekate should have been able to sense or know that Josh was really older, or maybe she really doesn't know who they are. And that brings me to a minor irritation - if Josh was really older, why would the parents tell Sophie she was older?

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Maybe they acquired sophie first or at a slightly older age?? I dunno the whole not twins thing made was a huge what the heck moment for me. I'm still torn about how i feel about that. Based on sophie's origin im beginning to wonder if she wasnt some one famous from history as well.

[Mugglewizard]

Michael Scott said that only the twins were original characters.

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It seems weird that the witch of Endor of Aunt Agnes kept along with the illusion of the kids being twins. And Marethryus identity was just unexpected. Then why does he at a point say that he is not human?

[Spacecadet]

Originally Posted by Mugglewizard

Michael Scott said that only the twins were original characters.

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It seems weird that the witch of Endor of Aunt Agnes kept along with the illusion of the kids being twins. And Marethryus identity was just unexpected. Then why does he at a point say that he is not human?

I know but there was something about the way sophie was described that got me thinking.

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I'm not sure that aunt agnes knew. Then again she and gilgamesh were tasked with watching the "newman" line and if that's the case what the heck were they watching over then thousand years because there really is no newman line, and the original twins line was wiped out by bastet. I think the witch may have suspected as she had a few hostile encounters with Isis and Osiris but she may not have had proof. I was very surprised she didnt make any kind of appearance in the final book other than mentions of her memories through sophie.

As for Marethyu there are many points where characters say they believe he is human. I think when he became death/Marethyu he was no longer entirely human. He lost his aura and his heartbeat so by that definition he's not really human but he started out that way.

[HMN]

Originally Posted by Spacecadet

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Maybe they acquired sophie first or at a slightly older age?? I dunno the whole not twins thing made was a huge what the heck moment for me. I'm still torn about how i feel about that. Based on sophie's origin im beginning to wonder if she wasnt some one famous from history as well.

Ah, they could have brought Sophie out of the shadowrealm first, and Josh minutes later. I can live with that.

Originally Posted by Spacecadet

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I'm not sure that aunt agnes knew. Then again she and gilgamesh were tasked with watching the "newman" line and if that's the case what the heck were they watching over then thousand years because there really is no newman line, and the original twins line was wiped out by bastet. I think the witch may have suspected as she had a few hostile encounters with Isis and Osiris but she may not have had proof. I was very surprised she didnt make any kind of appearance in the final book other than mentions of her memories through sophie.

Huh, yeah. I'd have to re-read the part where Aunt Agness explains her role, and see how much she knows. Was she really watching the twin's parents through time, waiting for Sophie and Josh to show up? I'm confused!

[Hedwig17]

I've read it and it was OK...I haven't read the next book yet though.

[Mugglewizard]

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Exactly. Aunt Agnes says she has been following the Newman line for generations. So did Isis and Osyrus just replace the actual Newmans who somehow looked exactly like them or what was up. That was the main reason I never suspected the twins parents could have been elders or whatever it is Isis and Osyrus were