Project Runway - Season 10

[HMN]

Originally Posted by Rastaban43

Team gay/gay/girl worked well together and completely deserved the win.

I've come to the conclusion that Gunnar does better when paired with people with more talent than himself.

I'm totally sick of the two boys on that team over all, and I wish the producers would find a different personality type to keep on screen throughout the season.

Ah, so I was wrong with Alicia - but I knew it the moment that the teams were announced. I know Tim was pulling buttons out of the bag, but these teams seemed awfully fixed if you asked me. Let's get the most drama out of the team make up!

Originally Posted by Goddess_Clio

The one thing I will give that team is that they had more pieces that I would consider wearing than Elena/dmitry/Alicia's team. (The white leather jacket and Ven's grey skirt, though boring, were both pieces I would wear - after I hemmed the skirt about 3" higher...

Ven's skirt showed me one thing - if it doesn't have a rose on it, he doesn't know what to do. "Put a rose on it!" (for those Portlandia fans out there...)

Originally Posted by Rastaban43

Spoiler: show

ETA - I have seen the final collections and can only say how utterly bored I am by all of them. There wasn't a single collection that didn't have major problems, and I really don't care which designers end up in the top three or which one wins.

Spoiler: show

Just went and found them myself. I like all 3 girls the best. Surprisingly so. And I posted earlier before I saw these and now am laughing harder at "Put a rose on it!"

[merry18]

Spoiler: show

I too found that final collections a little underwhelming, though I was surprised how much I liked Elena's. Gunnar's felt a teensy bit uncomfortable in how it beat the tribal theme over the head so hard, and Sonjai's had too many weird pieces. But I feel like I confidently say that Ven won't be our winner, because if he made the finals and put that many roses in his collection the judges wouldn't be happy at all.

I really felt all of them had issues.

Dmitry and Elena should be on every reality TV show ever together. But I felt bad for Alicia - I knew she wasn't going to be around deep into the competition, and she had no chance on that team.

Dmitry is my favorite, partially because on another forum I use we refer to him as Snape (long dark hair, kind of surly, says cutting insults). He didn't have a great week, but his dress from the L&T week is probably my favorite piece so far this season.

[Rastaban43]

Originally Posted by Goddess_Clio

The only reason I could think for it to be there was for shaping in the front but I would think that with those long seams to either side of the leather which are basically dress-length princess seams that shaping could have been done there.

Yes, the princess seams on either side are for shaping. The center front seam would have been a straight seam because there is no shaping to put there, so he either did it for the style or because he only had two long, skinny pieces of fabric (pleather?) to use.

Originally Posted by HMN

I'm totally sick of the two boys on that team over all, and I wish the producers would find a different personality type to keep on screen throughout the season.

You and all of us, lol.

Originally Posted by merry18

Dmitry is my favorite, partially because on another forum I use we refer to him as Snape (long dark hair, kind of surly, says cutting insults). He didn't have a great week, but his dress from the L&T week is probably my favorite piece so far this season.

lol, he is sort of a suave version of Snape, but despite Dmitry being my favourite as well and thinking Christopher has about as much personality as a dalek, I thought the Boris and Natasha reference was absolutely hilarious.

[freelantzer]

Originally Posted by merry18

Dmitry is my favorite, partially because on another forum I use we refer to him as Snape (long dark hair, kind of surly, says cutting insults). He didn't have a great week, but his dress from the L&T week is probably my favorite piece so far this season.

Snape! That is perfect! I can't wait til the next episode now so I can think of that when I watch.

[Goddess_Clio]

Originally Posted by HMN

"Put a rose on it!" (for those Portlandia fans out there...)

That show is sooooooo true!! (Have you ever been to Portland? You'll have Portlandia moments everywhere you go, no joke.)

Anyway, I agree that Ven seemed lost without his trademark detail but to be fair I wasn't an enormous fan of the pencil skirt he threw out. I agreed with Tim that it didn't seem to 'go' with the rest of the collection. Plus I'm just tired of Ven's flowers. And Chris's shredding. And Elena's big-shouldered coats.

So far I'm kind of liking Melissa the most overall but Dmitry tends to make things I would probably wear (how shocking, I like the guy who makes the jersey dresses... )

[merry18]

So... Snape Victorious!

SO glad Dmitry won this challenge. I loved, loved, loved that final look. In fact, I think it's replaced his L&T dress as my favorite look so far this season. Melissa, Sanjia, and Dmitry are my three favorites, so I was really pleased that they were the top 3 this week. Even if I thought Sanjia's pattern was a little too bright for those pants.


I thought Tim being brought in to judging was a little unfair. It was unfair to Ven in that it allowed Tim to say yeah, I told him not to do the fan thing. It was unfair to Christopher and Gunnar too, though, because they didn't have TIm telling the judges they'd been struggling with poor garments and had to come up with something to fix it. Also, Tim's initial comments about Ven's original designs were outrageously funny but kind of...mean?

I thought Christopher had the worst garment, and I was a little surprised by how much the judges hated Gunnar's work. I kind of liked it? Maybe it's because I'm from Kentucky so I get the equestrian vibe he was going for, but I thought the jacket was cute.

Mondo always looks adorable in his cutesy outfits, but at the same time it makes me scratch my head when he offers critiques like "over designed" and "confusing to the eye." It's a tad hypocritical, but in a funny way.

I was kind of annoyed that Gunnar got sent home. Christopher's look was the worst and Ven clearly can only do one type of design, and out of the three it felt like Gunnar was the only one who really tried. Ven gave up after the maxi pad incident and Chris gave up...kind of from the moment he had to come up with a textile. Plus I just liked Gunnar more than Ven and Chris (who increasingly comes off as a little insincere).

An upside to the result....

Spoiler: show

I feel like I can safely say that Ven is 100% not winning. His final collection was FULL of the fanning/rose effect pieces. If he didn't make the finals then he just went for his signature design (no need to impress the judges but wanted to make an impression on the other major players at fashion week who hadn't seen him do the same thing over and over, which would make total sense). If he made it to the finals, he thought the judges would want him to play to his strength, and promptly got third place because every single piece had the same rose thing. I'm leaning towards the former scenario, because Ven seems smart enough to know he would get torn to shreds if he put all those rose pieces out in the finals.

[freelantzer]

When Tim told Ven that his design looked like an homage to a menstrual cycle, I laughed and laughed! Harsh, yes, but I loved that he got a taste of his own medicine. I wish Ven would've gone. I thought his was the ugliest. I loved Sanji's outfit, but am glad Snape won because he hadn't yet and that jacket was amazing. Plus I loved the way he pronounced jacket like jack-kette with emphasis on the second syllable.

[Rastaban43]

I thought it was a tad mean too, but at least he was telling the truth. And I kind of feel Tim was taking it as an opportunity to pay Ven back for being such an arse to the women who came on the show. I don't understand what the judges hate so much about Gunnar's. I thought it looked a little junior, but I actually liked it, too, much more than Ven's.

And this is what I don't understand about the judges sometimes. They always claim that it only takes one slip up and you're out, but they've convinced themselves that Ven is worth keeping despite the fact that he goes to that petal standby week after week. I don't doubt that Ven has some serious technical skills, but from a design perspective, Gunnar seems to have much more on him.

Spoiler: show

And, lol, yeah, at least we know Ven isn't winning.

I'm actually curious why the two people who were safe were safe. I thought Elena and Fabio had two of the worst prints/designs of the whole night. They were absolutely hideous prints covered up by even worse designs. As bad as Christopher's was and from the judges' perspective Gunnar's, they didn't come close to those two. Perhaps they were punishing people who were being safe instead of people who just had disasters.

[Goddess_Clio]

Originally Posted by merry18

So... Snape Victorious!

SO glad Dmitry won this challenge. I loved, loved, loved that final look. In fact, I think it's replaced his L&T dress as my favorite look so far this season.

I must have rewinded (rewound?) my DVR like twenty times trying to figure out how he made those floating panels! The best I could come up with was that the corners of each panel was connected to the others with black threads (I could like of see a connecting thread when they recapped his look after announcind his win) but for the life of me couldn't see any kind of support thread on the center front seams as it walked! Astounding bit of fashion magic there! Really liked that jacket, though I'd be scared to snag myself on something and accidentally rip it apart.

Melissa, Sanjia, and Dmitry are my three favorites, so I was really pleased that they were the top 3 this week. Even if I thought Sanjia's pattern was a little too bright for those pants.

Did anyone else laugh and laugh at the judges' critique of those pants? She basically did exactly what Mondo did in his challenge with the positive sign print: made well-tailored pants of his very graphic print, only his were high-waisted and Sonji's were wide-legged... I was greatly amused by that.

I also thought that Sonji's pattern looked like an american indian motif...

Spoiler: show

I thought Tim being brought in to judging was a little unfair. It was unfair to Ven in that it allowed Tim to say yeah, I told him not to do the fan thing. It was unfair to Christopher and Gunnar too, though, because they didn't have TIm telling the judges they'd been struggling with poor garments and had to come up with something to fix it. Also, Tim's initial comments about Ven's original designs were outrageously funny but kind of...mean?

I think what happened was that Tim freaked Ven out and he went into major panic mode and squirted out the first dress that came to him - his flower-effect. While I wasn't a huge fan of his first design (the maxi-pad design), I personally didn't see it as much as Tim did, apparently (I TOTALLY saw the mishap Fabio had with his patten, though!! ) and was disappointed that he didn't try to make his initial idea work rather than scrap it for his go-to techinique.

I also agree with the judges when they said that what that dress said was "I don't know how to work with pattern." At the same time, though, I couldn't care less about Ven since that real women challenge. He dug himself a whole he can't get out of for me. I do think that of the two Ven is the better designer than Gunnar and in that respect the judges, I think, made the right choice.

I thought Christopher had the worst garment, and I was a little surprised by how much the judges hated Gunnar's work. I kind of liked it? Maybe it's because I'm from Kentucky so I get the equestrian vibe he was going for, but I thought the jacket was cute.

Christopher's dress was boring but Gunnar's, I thought, was ugly. That jacket would have been cute in either a solid or a less busy pattern, I think. I wasn't a fan. I also think that the way her girl was styled and with that black skirt, she looked almost like a girl on her way to prep school.

Mondo always looks adorable in his cutesy outfits

This was the first time, though, that his little shorts weirded me out; he either needs to wear pants or shave his legs.

I was kind of annoyed that Gunnar got sent home. Christopher's look was the worst and Ven clearly can only do one type of design, and out of the three it felt like Gunnar was the only one who really tried.

To be fair (and I hate myself a little for defending him) I think Ven tried but then got freaked by Tim's critique and went totally safe.

[HMN]

Put a rose on it!!! I just couldn't stop laughing at Ven's second design. You'd think he'd have the common sense to not be so rose-y about the fanning effect he likes so much. Variations on a theme dude.

I am shocked that I'm saying this, but I don't think this was Gunnar's challenge to go home. I thought his design was fine and cute and the print, while being too small of a scale, was better than many others. Christopher's ladybugs? Ven's? Fabio's?

Ven is a robot, I'm now convinced. He wasn't even warm with his sister, just flat & boring. His flower was boring. His dress was boring. He should have been sent home.

But for Gunnar - I'm glad they cut the cord and didn't string him along like they did to Michael Costello in the past.

Originally Posted by merry18

I thought Tim being brought in to judging was a little unfair. It was unfair to Ven in that it allowed Tim to say yeah, I told him not to do the fan thing. It was unfair to Christopher and Gunnar too, though, because they didn't have TIm telling the judges they'd been struggling with poor garments and had to come up with something to fix it. Also, Tim's initial comments about Ven's original designs were outrageously funny but kind of...mean?

I'm pretty sure Tim stays out of the actual judging. He'll give feedback, but won't give an opinion of who should win or lose. I think it's fair to ask Tim if he had addressed the rose / fanning motif with Ven, because if he hadn't as a mentor, there would be real problems going on.

Originally Posted by Rastaban43

I'm actually curious why the two people who were safe were safe. I thought Elena and Fabio had two of the worst prints/designs of the whole night. They were absolutely hideous prints covered up by even worse designs. As bad as Christopher's was and from the judges' perspective Gunnar's, they didn't come close to those two. Perhaps they were punishing people who were being safe instead of people who just had disasters.

I'm clearly in the minority, but I LOVED Elenas. Really! The colors and the print was hideous, but at the same time she made it cute and modern and fun. Everyone else was soooo drab. I thought her's was better than the blonde girl whose name I can never remember, but makes designs I really like.

Originally Posted by freelantzer

When Tim told Ven that his design looked like an homage to a menstrual cycle, I laughed and laughed! Harsh, yes, but I loved that he got a taste of his own medicine. I wish Ven would've gone. I thought his was the ugliest.

Originally Posted by Rastaban43

I thought it was a tad mean too, but at least he was telling the truth. And I kind of feel Tim was taking it as an opportunity to pay Ven back for being such an arse to the women who came on the show.

I don't think Tim was saying it to be mean, I think he was just being honest. I feel like we all wanted Tim to put him in his place, but I didn't feel like that was what Tim was doing. And I don't think it was mean. It was an ugly design and an ugly crafty use of that design. Instead of taking the idea and really going with it, Ven fell back on what he already knows how to do.

Originally Posted by Goddess_Clio

Did anyone else laugh and laugh at the judges' critique of those pants? She basically did exactly what Mondo did in his challenge with the positive sign print: made well-tailored pants of his very graphic print, only his were high-waisted and Sonji's were wide-legged... I was greatly amused by that.

I laughed at how much Mondo liked the pants. I was like, 'Of course you do!' lol Thanks for the side-by-side shot - you can see the differences that way much better. I did like how she repeated the pattern in the top, I thought that was nice because it was very subtle.

[Rastaban43]

Originally Posted by Goddess_Clio

I must have rewinded (rewound?) my DVR like twenty times trying to figure out how he made those floating panels!

There was a really wide tulle connecting the panels, so it was invisible against the black and that loud print, but you might see it if you were scrutinizing the jacket up close. Fashion magic indeed, though.

Originally Posted by HMN

I'm clearly in the minority, but I LOVED Elenas. Really! The colors and the print was hideous, but at the same time she made it cute and modern and fun.

Haha, OK, when I come to visit, we are going to hit the streets in scrubs!

Oh, yeah, I didn't really like the tropical-looking print as much as the judges. It was a decent and salable print, but from a design perspective, it was all just too safe -- a clothing 101 project.

[merry18]

Side note: I actually didn't think Ven's pleated flowers looked like maxi pads. I think there's a reason none of the girls in the work room said anything when Tim asked if they agreed But it was still funny (even if I still think it was a little mean) and rival's Tim's reaction to Dmitry's exposed darts as his funniest moment this season for me.

[freelantzer]

HMN--I agree with you about Elena's. The print was hideous and totally looked liked scrubs in the work room, but when it turned the corner onto the runway I was really surprised. I thought she made that hideous print look good. I liked the design, and having seen her final collection, I could see how this one related to that.

And I think Fabio was really lucky that there were three designs the judges thought were more boring than his.

[Spacecadet]

I think Venn's issue was that Tim criticized his work and instead of trying to fix the design he went to his fail safe, which backfired because he's done it every week. I kind of wish he'd have gone home this week. But I don't think gunner would have been around much longer either.

I also agree with the comparison between Sonji and Mondo's work. When she said wide legged pants the first thing I thought was of Mondo's print design.


I really liked Melissa's dress and while I liked demitri's jacket a lot i agree with Mondo's assessment that it was a print challenge and he sort of hid his print. I think I would have chosen Melissa to win.

The rockettes challenge next week will be interesting. It seems like they are designing costumes which seems like an odd challenge for project runway when they try to ward against costumey designs.

[merry18]

Originally Posted by freelantzer

And I think Fabio was really lucky that there were three designs the judges thought were more boring than his.

I agree with this. Dmitry took some grief from Mondo about covering his print so much, but Fabio's print was only on that miniature vest thing, which was over a plain black jumpsuit?

And I was hoping he'd be on the runway so I could watch him try to explain his print to the judges. The question of whether or not he'd go with the copulation explanation will now be eternally unanswered.

[Goddess_Clio]

Originally Posted by Spacecadet

The rockettes challenge next week will be interesting. It seems like they are designing costumes which seems like an odd challenge for project runway when they try to ward against costumey designs.

They've done costume challenges before. In the allstars season they did literal stage costumes and they've done WWE women's wrestling costumes before... I think they try to distinguish between fashion and costume more than they shun the idea of having a costume challenge.

[HMN]

Originally Posted by Goddess_Clio

They've done costume challenges before. In the allstars season they did literal stage costumes and they've done WWE women's wrestling costumes before... I think they try to distinguish between fashion and costume more than they shun the idea of having a costume challenge.

I recall an ice skating costume challenge as well. There are going to be some REALLY bad designs coming out of this one. Dmitry should do very well though.

Originally Posted by freelantzer

HMN--I agree with you about Elena's. The print was hideous and totally looked liked scrubs in the work room, but when it turned the corner onto the runway I was really surprised. I thought she made that hideous print look good. I liked the design, and having seen her final collection, I could see how this one related to that.

Thank you! I'm feeling much better about my declaration now.

Originally Posted by Rastaban43

Haha, OK, when I come to visit, we are going to hit the streets in scrubs!

lol I dare you!

[freelantzer]

Originally Posted by merry18

I agree with this. Dmitry took some grief from Mondo about covering his print so much, but Fabio's print was only on that miniature vest thing, which was over a plain black jumpsuit?

And I was hoping he'd be on the runway so I could watch him try to explain his print to the judges. The question of whether or not he'd go with the copulation explanation will now be eternally unanswered.

That would've been fun to see! Both Christopher and Fabio covered their prints with whatever fabric that was, and Fabios was really tiny like you said. Dimitry had the jacket, but I loved how the shape if it was inspired by the print.

[Rastaban43]

I am surprised I liked Christopher's entry, apart from the hem, but that was only after I got a close-up look and saw the city-line silhouette, so I wonder how it will look on stage. Ultimately, there was just too much small detail to really make it a wow look. I did quite like Dmitry's look and thought the criticism that it was too sexy was kind of silly, especially when they picked Christopher's more scant look. I'm glad Venn is gone, and it's worth saying, I think Gunnar would have knocked this challenge out of the park.

[merry18]

I was rooting for Dmitry. Apart from being my favorite designer this season, I thought his look would translate much better on the Rockettes stage because it would read well from a distance. Plus the fringe beading would look awesome with all those high kicks and other cheesy dance moves. As for being too "sexy" and skirting the line for "family friendly"...well, parents take their kids to pools and beaches with women in bikinis, and the illusion cutouts weren't actually that revealing. At the end of the day, any family worried going to see the Rockettes - who wear very short, skimpy dresses and do high kicks - probably wouldn't be too put off by illusion cutouts.

Christopher's was nice, but the skirt didn't move enough and the illusion netting meant it would be hard to see the skyline detail from a distance. It was pretty, but I don't agree with it winning because of these issues.

See ya, Ven. His look was boring and ill-fitting, but Elena's was much uglier. Plus Ven's won two challenges and Elena hasn't won any .It's clear that a lot of time the judges give a designer a pass if they do bad if they've been consistently better than the other person/people in the bottom (see: Chris last week). At the same time, though, boring usually gets sent home over shockingly ugly. And since Ven and Elena both had a sort of redemption episode (Ven's solitary childhood and helping Melissa, Elena apologizing to Dmitry) I really wasn't sure who they would send home. But I'm not sad it was Ven, because even if Elena hasn't done great this season she at least provides better entertainment than Ven.

Oh, and I agree, Rastaban, that Gunnar would have done amazing at this challenge.