The new Doctor Who v.5 (spoilers in abundance also for season 7)

[Lord Godric]

I really loved the episode.

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It wasn't for the cubes or villain since I thought all of that was kind of secondary to what the point of this episode really was: the power of three - The Doctor, Amy and Rory. This episode explored the finer points of their relationship and it was marvelous to see the Doctor so candid about his relationship with the Ponds. It is sad that this episode come so close to the ending of the Ponds, but I really can't believe Moffat would kill them of after this episode because it would destroy the whole real life/Doctor life thing (or perhaps he would thinking it would reaffirm that they ultimately chose the Doctor life over real life).

I also loved seeing the relationship between the Doctor and Kate Stewart, even though I have only seen little pieces of the Brigadier it is great to see little nods to Old Who.

[Wimsey]

So, any predictions for next week? We know that River is coming back and we know that it's the Pond's exodus. (We might, of course, see one or both in a 50th anniversary show, but that will depend in large part upon what happens next week.)

I suspect that we'll see a flip-flop. Rory had died again and again. I think that it's Amy who will die, preventing Rory's 17th death. An alternative is that one or both will be sent back in time by the Angels and that she/he/they won't be "found" by the Doctor until he/she/they are so old as to be nearly dead.

I do not think that there are any outstanding "issues" that need to be resolved with the Ponds. We still have a few involving RIver: but those are independent of her parents.

[ginger1]

Oh dear, isn't it silly when you get a phrase in your head you just can't stop grinning about. Soon, someone is going to pull the plug on the ponds.

[SusanBones]

I don't think we need spoiler tags if you are talking about past shows. And I think enough time has passed to talk about yesterday's episode without spoiler tags. And speculation doesn't need a spoiler tag as long as it is only speculation, your opinion of what will happen.

The only thing that needs a spoiler tag is spoilers - information on future shows. When spoiler tags are used on everything, it completely negates their purpose.

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Now, for my opinion . What I liked about the show last night was the relationship between the Doctor, Amy, Rory and Rory's dad. It seemed all warm and fuzzy. It was great to see Amy and Rory as a happily married couple. It was also nice to see them leading a regular life with work and friends. I'm glad they brought Rory's dad back for another episode. His advice at the end of the show was both nice and scary. He gave the Ponds permission to do what they loved doing but it also seemed to foreshadow the danger that lies ahead.

I liked the cubes showing up and people turning them into pets almost. The alien part, though, was a little unexciting. And the solution was a little too simple. And they never explained why they were taking some people into their spaceship or why those guys had the strange mouths.

All in all, one of my favorite episodes.

[GodricHollow]

Aha! The end of Spoilerish as a language! I did wonder how long that would take...

One small problem I've just realised with Po3. Amy and Rory go from happily married pre-AotD to stupidly divorced or close to it in AotD and back to happily married post-AotD. I know their timeline is royally messed up, but I very much doubt much time has passed between the eps, so... yeah... bit messed up for me.

Also, either Mofatt missed a continuity error, or Amy still can't quite settle down - quite how someone goes from a perfume modeller person... thing... (what do you call those?) in Closing Time to a travel writer in Po3 is beyond me.

[Lady Elven]

Originally Posted by GodricHollow

Aha! The end of Spoilerish as a language! I did wonder how long that would take...

One small problem I've just realised with Po3. Amy and Rory go from happily married pre-AotD to stupidly divorced or close to it in AotD and back to happily married post-AotD. I know their timeline is royally messed up, but I very much doubt much time has passed between the eps, so... yeah... bit messed up for me.

Also, either Mofatt missed a continuity error, or Amy still can't quite settle down - quite how someone goes from a perfume modeller person... thing... (what do you call those?) in Closing Time to a travel writer in Po3 is beyond me.

in AotD she was still a model seriously famous but its more amy can't settle, there was even a line in an episode somewhere about her quitting a job since she was always waiting to hear the tardis. and there was another line in this one about being ten years or feels like ten years.

[Wimsey]

Originally Posted by GodricHollow

, but I very much doubt much time has passed between the eps, so... yeah... bit messed up for me.

Basically, at least a decade has gone by since Amy & Rory first started traveling with the Doctor. The Ponds are now in their early 30's: Amy's modeling days apparently are well in their past.


Oh, a good riddance to the spoilers on everything! It made this thread very difficult to read....


So, what sort of departure are people expecting for the Ponds? Adric/Peri-type tragic? Some sort of Amy's Choice Tragic? Or perhaps a Girl Who Waited tragic? Or simply happily ever after? (Moffat does lie, you know!)

And will we every learn where the ducks were?!?!?!?

[Lady Elven]

one of my go to sites has a collection of trailers for Angels in Manhattan-

http://www.screenspy.com/tv/doctor-w...view-trailers/

Spoiler: show

there is a really creepy one where the statue of liberty is an angel!!!

[Lord Godric]

Originally Posted by GodricHollow

Aha! The end of Spoilerish as a language! I did wonder how long that would take...

One small problem I've just realised with Po3. Amy and Rory go from happily married pre-AotD to stupidly divorced or close to it in AotD and back to happily married post-AotD. I know their timeline is royally messed up, but I very much doubt much time has passed between the eps, so... yeah... bit messed up for me.

Also, either Mofatt missed a continuity error, or Amy still can't quite settle down - quite how someone goes from a perfume modeller person... thing... (what do you call those?) in Closing Time to a travel writer in Po3 is beyond me.

In "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship" they mention that six months had passed since the end of "Asylum of the Daleks." And then at the end of "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship" the Ponds say they want to go home "for a few months." And then in "The Power of Three" we see that the episode spanned many months. So the bulk of this episode seems to be anywhere between one or two years after Asylum of the Daleks. The "Pond Life" prequel put the beginning of "Asylum" in August and in "Power of Three" we saw it span between October and June, so it make sense that their lives have changed in that time.

[Kevin]

Apprently according to somebody who's seen the episode, we should rewatch The Eleventh Hour afterwards as things will slot into place.

[GodricHollow]

The ducks get/got/whatever'd displaced in time?!?!

As for my timeline dissonance, oops. In my defence, Maths was never a strong point for me.

[Kevin]

I'm thinking it's the swing that looks as though somebody has just vacated it.

[ignisia]

Considering that the upcoming ep involves the angels, I think we're meant to wonder if the Ponds will be displaced in time. Maybe back to around the time little Amy first meets the Doctor? But I'm not sure how that would help the angels eat their potential energy-- the Ponds would still be alive (though much older) once they reached the point where they were taken by the angels, so less food for the angels.

[Lord Godric]

Hmm..so the timeline for the Ponds seems to just be getting more and more confusing. I guess it's a good thing it's ending soon

In last week's episode Amy said "We think it's been ten years. Not for you, or Earth. But us. Ten years older. Ten years of you." So when Rory says he's 31 is he just guessing based on how long he's actually been traveling with the Doctor/living in between travels? and does that not mean it's really 2020 in the "present day" but closer to 2012? My head hurts.

[Wimsey]

Remember that it is not like the Ponds always come back immediately after they leave: both Amy and Rory have conversations in which people note that they have disappeared for months at a time. So, they've probably both gained and lost time to time travel.

[Lord Godric]

Teasers for 'The Angels Take Manhattan:'

Spoiler: show

1. 15-14-5 9-19 16-1-19-20
2. River flies the TARDIS better than the Doctor. AGAIN!
3. “Loving the almost!”
4. The Doctor gets slapped for doing something kind
5. “Are there video games there? I love video games”.
6. 20-8-5 9-19 20-23-15
7. “It’s called marriage, honey. Now hush, I’m working!”
8. “1938. We just bounced off it.”
9. “Beware the Yowza. Do not at this point Yowz.”
10. “Yes, why not? Give him to the babies.”
11. “The others can hear. Is that why you need all the locks?
12. 20-8-18-5-5 1-14-4 6-15-21-18 13-21-19-20 23-1-9-20

http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/more-teaser...ttan-39865.htm

Those numbers seem to point to letters of the alphabet and when decoded say (1) 'One is past' (6) 'The is two' and (12) 'Three and four must wait.'

No idea what it means though.

[Wimsey]

Does anybody care to speculate on how River's presence will be important for the Ponds' exit? Will one or both sacrifice him/herself for their daughter? Or might River's presence be a catalyst for "the end" in some other way?

I am still leaning toward the primary tragedy befalling Amy. Rory has died, like, 20 times already, andAmy only once. Classic foreshadowing says look for it to happen to Rory: but ironic and/or misdirected foreshadowing might be Moffat's style.

Of course, another part of me cannot help but to remember the "boy/girl who waited" motif for both, and the Angels ability to send people back in time. Will we get another waiting?

What other ideas do people have? These two seem to offer a rich breadth of possibilities for tragic farewells, and I certainly have not thought of all of them!

[SusanBones]

Both Rory and Amy have waited, so it would seem very cruel for one of them to get sent back in time. Rory waited 2,000 years and Amy waited quite a long time, too. I'm not sure how much of that she would remember, if any, but Moffat has used those two themes already, so I'm not sure he would use it again for them.

Of course, you never know what will happen.

I have trouble seeing how River is going to enter into this episode. It is one thing to have her be part of the action, like she was for the crash of the Byzantium. That wouldn't be a problem. But how will she factor into the idea that this will be the end of the Ponds as companions.

Maybe River is just going to have a heart to heart talk with the Doctor, telling him that he has to stop taking the Ponds on these adventures for their own safety and well being. That could happen.

[Lady Elven]

Originally Posted by Whimey

Of course, another part of me cannot help but to remember the "boy/girl who waited" motif for both, and the Angels ability to send people back in time. Will we get another waiting?

only one thing- the vehicle in this show is a time machine who ever gets sent back once the doctor figures out how to get out of manhattan they can most likely ( who knows with the tardis) lock on to that person in time and either bring them back or if they can't the other person might just go okay I'll live here with them.

okay two things in one of the trailers the doctor turns around and says "I'm sorry but you just died" how that works not a clue.

[Wimsey]

Except that things aren't always so convenient: if the person being in the past becomes part of the Doctor's past or even present, then they usually leave it as written. The Doctor rarely alters history, after all.